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The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization

from John Wendt, WA6BFH on September 22, 2009
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The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization
By John Wendt, WA6BFH





While this article will primarily address the bands of 10 and 6 Meters, I will add some thoughts on other VHF and UHF wavelengths as we get into the meat of the issue.

Probably the first wavelength band that I need to address is in reference to my mention of 10 Meters! You see 6 Meters is often referred to as the “Magic Wavelength Band”; and this is because it often works like an HF wavelength band, when it is in fact a VHF band. Well 10 Meters, an HF band, often works like a VHF band in terms of its signal propagation. So I guess some of that magical pixie dust has just sprinkled on down frequency almost one octave!

Now with this next band, 6 Meters, I have lots of experience, about 38 years worth! It is a truly magic band, although I feel the same way about several bands above it! Anyway, 6 Meters will avail itself of all of these below listed forms of distant (DX) communication:

F-layer skip every 11 years at or near the Solar peak-- along with the HF spectrum.

E-layer skip, regularly at the Spring of every year, and other times; also seen on 10 Meters

Meteor Scatter (skip) several times each and every year (at regularly noted meteor showers.

Auroral Skip, at times when major solar events ionize the D-layer of the ionosphere.

Tropospheric Ducting, at weather plus maybe E, or F layer events.

Knife Edge Refraction over mountain tops, not too great for distance, but fun!

These are the physical elements that make the Magic! You see when you have bands of frequencies that can be propagated by ducts of differential air temperature, that’s pretty magic. When you can have bands of frequencies where signal propagation can be facilitated by the exhaust gasses of jet aircraft, that’s Magic, and of course I don’t mean that in a literal sense. My point is that it is fun and interesting to exploit these methods of signal propagation, and learn about them.

The counterpoint of this is when we run into people who will tell us that this is not important, fun, or that there are only certain ways that WE MUST PROCEED in these endeavors. Noted fables that I have heard through the years are:

1) You must use horizontally polarized antennas!

2) Cubical Quads don’t work on VHF!

3) Vertical omni-directional antennas will not work on 6 Meters for DX!

4) “J” or J-pole antennas are less efficient than Ground Plane antennas!

I think that part of the fun is to de-bunk such ideas! It is also fun to learn the perspective of any amount or shred of truth that might be contained in such broad statements! Let’s take a look at each one of these; and see what might have been meant by any negative aspersion, and lets see if we can benefit from the contrasting truths.

Why must you use a horizontal antenna? This is often done so as to improve “Signal to Noise Ratio”. It is true that much, or maybe even most, electrical noise has a vertical component. This is “pulse noise” generated by ignition sparkplugs, or other arc bursts of energy. Remember though that pulse noise is the easiest sort of electrical noise to effectively cancel!

In any case, while this noise is most notable, in larger cities, where overhead power lines are prevalent, horizontal noise will be the most obvious! It will be so predominant that it will virtually make a blanket of noise at relatively high signal levels. When this S3, S4, S5 or higher noise level exists, many radio signals or VHF band openings may get lost in the noise.

I know of many practical instances over the years when I with either a vertical quarter wavelength Ground Plane, or a home-made copper “J” antenna -- both of which don’t work on 6 Meters -- was able to work either E-layer openings, Meteor Scatter, Auroral, or F-layer skip, before many ‘big gun’ horizontal Ham’s could hear the DX signals. Why was this?

A vertical antenna has a lower angle of radiation than does a horizontal antenna. That is in fact why horizontal Yagi’s etc must be raised to appropriate height to provide an optimum launch angle. Most 6 Meter Ham’s who are serious about working DX will have an antenna tower of some 60 feet or better, and one or more Yagi beam antennas of at least 1.5 wavelength booms. Or, perhaps better to say, they will try to at least provide a good 10 dBd of antenna gain. A 25-foot boom Yagi will do that, as will two 4 element Yagi’s on 12-foot booms.

So if a simple unity gain, or less than unity gain (the Ground Plane) antenna will work quite nicely for 6 Meter DX, after all, I worked 50 states and several countries with such verticals, what would be the best beam antenna configuration.

You can stack multiple beams on a tower and improve radiation angle. If you want to keep things simpler though, put two Yagi’s up vertically polarized. Two 4 element Yagi’s as I mentioned before will yield 11.2 dBd of gain. Subtract about 1 dB for transmission line loss, and you still have better than 10 dB’s at a very nice low angle of radiation. This also works with even shorter tower heights. A short tower will kill horizontal antenna performance but not when they are vertical!

How about that statement that Cubical Quads don’t work on VHF! This was said in all seriousness once at a VHF/UHF conference in the California town of Santa Maria. This conference even sponsored “an Antenna Gain Contest” on Sunday near the close of the conference. After the statement had been made, Saturday, a hasty visit to the local hardware store garnered some 12-gauge wire, some wooden furring strips, and an S-239 coax connector was obtained from somewhere.

After a few fevered hours of sawing, drilling, assembling and testing, the 4 element Quad was produced that you will see in the web posted article below. The winning entrant is that antenna that has the greatest gain, for the shortest boom length. That is the advantage of quads, they produce much higher gain, over relatively short boom lengths. They do unfortunately develop “I squared R” losses pretty quickly as well, such that after the 5th or 6th element, further gain is minimal. Yagi’s by contrast can be as long as is mechanically practical, and they will just keep developing gain!

This quad did won the contest by the way! The next best antenna a “KLM Band-pass Log Fed Yagi” produce 13 dB’s of gain but it was more than twice as long!

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2775/quad.html

I have already touched on vertical Omni’s but, I thought that comment about “J” or J-pole antennas being less efficient really tossed me for a loop. A “J” antenna is simply an end-fed dipole, with a Q-line matching device. There is no more efficient matching method other than the Q-line transformer! Take a nice vertical half-wave antenna, match it to any desired impedance -- with practically no loss -- how can that be bad!

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2775/6mjant01.html

What about the other bands? I’m not so certain, as I have not had nearly as much or as broad experiences on 2 Meters, 135, 70, 33, or 23 centimeters. Experience and self-learning is key! It would be nice to find out and test these concepts however. I guess most Ham’s don’t do this because they don’t want to take a chance. I’m getting to be a little long in the tooth, with gray chin whiskers, and legs that don’t climb antenna towers as easily as I used to. I know one Ham on 135 centimeters that tries things just to find out! Now to me, that’s what Ham radio is all about!

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The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by KD5SFK on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I enjoy the reposted "classic" articles..especially this one. But please check the links as they may be outdated.
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by N2RRA on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Very nice article! Thanks E-ham!

I've been a weak signal operator for a long time and have really enjoyed the chase for grids, tropo openings, meteor events, Moon Bounce etc....

This article is perfect to help the many new operators with participating in one of the more interesting aspects of this hobby. It certainly is not as easy as just relying on F1-F2 layers, but the challenge is where the game's at.

I've tried to explain the benefits of switching from vertical to horizontal to new operators, but after a few contacts with a vertical they think "ohh, this is working well. We don't need no stinking yagi" Well, guess they'll just miss out! Maybe this article will help them get into the game.

Owning both single yagi ,and stacked pair of K1FO yagis long boom at 17ft.+ for 2m and 440 really helps getting into what ever is out there. Reaching for the stars becomes reality when using such an antenna array.

I've also owned the cubical quad which worked awesome for it's size, and yes! it held up through the winter months of ice with no problems. Comparing the quad to a yagi of it's boom length ,and number of elements, and dbd gain in equivalent the quad was either neck to neck or had slight advantage. Beauty of a quad is you can have 6, 2, and 440 all on the same boom. This is an excellent entry level antenna system for new operators that can't put up multiple longer boom arrays on a mast mounted system. Very effective also!

Now at days thanks to weak signal work in amateur radio I don't look at meteor showers or full moon the same. Just think about it! Every time you look at a full moon you can visualize the R.F. signals that carry voice through space are bouncing off of it from all over the world. Same with meteor trails!

Love it!

73's!
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by WG8Z on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
PLSE don't dispel these myths:
>>1) You must use horizontally polarized antennas!
>>3) Vertical omni-directional antennas will not work on 6 Meters for DX!
This have worked in my favor for many years!!!
I run a Diamond 5/8 over 5/8 vertical on 6M and it rocks....My advantage is I hear and TX in all directions and 90% percent of the guys within 100 miles are on the flat...The advantage? I'm not bothered by those guys calling. I just hear the DX....Love it...
I don't mind giving up the S/N, it beats getting squalked by the locals running H-beams and legal limit with too much compression.
73 de Zed
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by HFRF on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
hams actually worry about polarization? Man, get a life.
 
The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by G0GQK on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I liked the bits about a solar peak every 11 years, and the pixie dust, Ha ha ha ha. When did this first appear, 1947 ?

G0GQK
 
The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by G0GQK on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I liked the bits about a solar peak every 11 years, and the pixie dust, Ha ha ha ha. When did this first appear, 1947 ?

G0GQK
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by K0BG on September 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
No one said a J pole was less efficient; the question was, compared to what?

The J-pole has no gain! It is an unbalanced antenna, with a balanced feed point, and fed with an unbalanced feed line. Unless you choke off the common mode, the fed line does most of the radiating. Even then, it is no better than a 1/4 ground plane.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by W1XZ on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
So why are most vhf beams horizontally polarized? Could be something to do with ease of mounting and stacking yagis on a tower. The same reason quads aren't popular with big guns on 50 and up (but jeez, wasn't this just worked into the ground a topic or two back?) It also could be that there is this little problem with cross polarization. While working some sort of enhanced signal path on vhf is fun, lots of qso's are line of sight, and then the lower gain vertical becomes even harder to hear to the higher gain horizontally polarized yagi set up. If refraction or ducting enters the picture of course that all changes.
Not that verticals are bad. Remember Max P's discovery about energy and frequency. Low gain verticals work pretty well at vhf. In fact one of the most memorable qso's I had on 6 was an auroral enhanced E contact with a Baffin Island, Canada station. He was using 30 watts to a jpole, and I had a 6 element yagi.
Now I am sure some will profess that Al Gore causes cross polarization loss and maybe so, but a trip to the reference book or a search of the web will be of interest to those who care.
Work 'em first and worry about their antenna later.
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by AB0RE on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"The J-pole has no gain! It is an unbalanced antenna, with a balanced feed point, and fed with an unbalanced feed line. Unless you choke off the common mode, the fed line does most of the radiating. Even then, it is no better than a 1/4 ground plane. "

I agree with you completely, Alan. But if you want to know where people get the silly idea that a J-Pole is SO much greater than a 1/4 wave groundplane, look no further than your ARRL Antenna Book. There is an article about a 2M J-pole in which the author states his newly-made J-pole works much better than his existing 1/4 wave groundplane at reaching distant antennas.

I've seen some publications say the J-Pole has very minor gain over a quarter wave groundplane, but people seem to lose sight of the fact that a dB here or there isn't going to create a discernible difference on TX/RX.

73,
Dan / ab0re
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by K9MHZ on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"Worry and Apprehension"?

I guess bipolar means more than a type of transistor.
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by AE6RO on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
No-one has mentioned cross-polarization loss at VHF and above. If station A has vertical polarization and works station B with horizontal there is a 10db or so signal path loss.

It's customary to use verticals for VHF FM and repeaters and horizontal for DXing weak signal work.
That's all, folks. Aside from that, there is no reason verticals couldn't be used for DXing.73, John
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by K9MHZ on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent points, John. AMSAT guys also know about RHCP and LHCP for feeding dishes, etc. Right hand comes off of the satellite, hits the dish, inverts, gets picked up by the left hand helix or whatever.

Interesting stuff. The good news is that it's easy to experiment with....more plumbing and betal working than anything else.

Best,

Brad
K9MHZ
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by WB2WIK on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
>RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola Reply
by W1XZ on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
So why are most vhf beams horizontally polarized? Could be something to do with ease of mounting and stacking yagis on a tower.<

::That's surely true. However, initially the reason VHF and UHF antennas were used horizontally polarized has a scientific foundation: It works better.

This was determined experimentally by RCA-NBC in the earliest days of television broadcasting (late 1930s). Horizontally polarized signals propagate farther over the horizon, with less attenuation, than vertically polarized signals do. Obviously, this applies to tropospheric propagation only (not ionospheric). They ran the tests repeatedly for years, always with the same results. This is the reason that to this day, television broadcast stations are horizontally polarized and so are television receiving (consumer) antennas.

This foundation does not explain the preference for horizontal beams on HF (where almost all contacts are via the ionosphere), however! The HF explanation must be primarily that horizontally polarized beams are a lot easier to install, don't get elements tangled up in guy wires, and can be stacked on a common support with reasonable spacing.

VHF-UHF repeaters remain vertically polarized to accommodate mobile users where "whips" are the predominant antennas.

If you want to test the science, it's easy to do: Use a dual-polarity "X" yagi, and set up a sked with another station who can change their antenna polarization from H to V and back again, such as someone using another "X" yagi (elements both horizontal and vertical, with separate feedlines and a switch -- these are fairly common) who is far enough away to be well over the horizon and have a weak, fluttery signal.

Both of you try H, try V, go back to H, etc.

I've done this many times over 40+ years, and RCA was right. This is especially apparent for forward tropo scatter over paths that are many times farther than LOS.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by W1XZ on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, Could you point me to that study? I would like to read it. A quick google drew blanks. Thanks, XZ
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by K2WH on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Another thing not mentioned, vertical polarization of a beam is subject to pattern distortion because the vertical support is intermixed with the elements, directors or at higher UHF frequencies, the driven element.

Horizontal polarization does not for the most part "See" the support post.
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by WB2WIK on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
>RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola Reply
by W1XZ on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, Could you point me to that study? I would like to read it. A quick google drew blanks. Thanks, XZ<

It's not on line anywhere I know of. It's from an IRE report dated April 1939 and I don't know if it would be legal to scan and distribute since no reprint rights were granted.

But it's very, very clear: Horizontal polarization is what works for VHF-UHF tropospheric propagation. The discussion is very telling, because vertical polarization is much easier to accomplish for omnidirectional coverage and the broadcasters went nuts trying to figure out ways to make horizontal polarization work for multiple frequencies (using diplexers and omnidirectional radiation) on the tower atop the Empire State Building.

WB2WIK/6
 
The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Polarization  
by N2SLO on September 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I love my QUADS.. I have a 8 element for 2M, and a 2 element for 6M.. Modest station, with 400 watts for 2M, and 200 watts for 6M.. I work everywhere, up to over 200 grids 6M.. Quads work great. I can't compare to Yagi, since I have never owned one. I am sold on quads.. Lightweight, light duty rotor needed.. Maintenance free also... Hope to hear you on 6M.. or 2M if we get another great tropo opening... David FN30
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by KC8RWR on September 24, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The Internet Wayback Machine is your friend!

http://web.archive.org/web/20071020015409/http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2775/quad.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20071019040426/http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2775/6mjant01.html
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by KC0KP on September 25, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I beleive FM stations are all now circular polarized to help overcome multipatch distortion on vertically polarized car antennas.
I have had FM in my car since the late 60's and today's FM signals have a lot less fading and distortion than I can remember in the old days when FM was all horizontally polarized as well.
Craig
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by KC0KP on September 25, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I beleive FM broadcast stations are all now circular polarized to help overcome multipatch distortion on vertically polarized car antennas.
I have had FM in my car since the late 60's and today's FM signals have a lot less fading and distortion than I can remember in the old days when broadcast FM was all horizontally polarized as well.
Craig
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by W5DC on September 26, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
WA6BFH - Once a quad or conventional yagi get past 1.5 to 2 wavelengths long, particular attention needs to be paid to adjusting the phase velocity in the region of the directors as you get closer to the driven element(s), which generally requires making the directors closer spaced. There's plenty of prior art on this. Long quads and long yagis work well if you make them properly. Long ago when preamps were noisier, I was able to do marginal eme with a single 12 element loop yagi in a poor location.

73, Dunc, W5DC
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by KA4KOE on October 1, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
John hates log periodics. He still gives me grief because I use a KMA 50500 all in one antenna.

Philip
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by KI4SDY on October 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
One of the reasons you see so many beam antennas horizontal is because it is a natural thing to take advantage of a single pole or tower to mount a vertical above the beam. Two antennas with vertical and horizontal polorization in one structure. I have been doing it that way for so long, I can't even imagine someone not doing it.
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by K4JSR on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"He still gives me grief because I use a KMA 50500 all in one antenna."

Somebody needs to give you some grief, Feee-lip.
How else are we gonna keep you straight?
Down there in Savannah-patch you talk on a green radio, drink green beer every March 17, and intimidate your neighbors by playing your Theremin
while telling them it's a Martian invasion!!

Now drag K4SMN along to Lawrenceville this November 7th and help Rich and I spread a spectacular ambience
about the flea market!

73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by KJ4KKI on October 24, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
O.K., I'm going to ask a question about this in a "related" sort of way. Please bear with me as I ramble... Using antennas for this freq. got me to thinking about my own dilemma. I'm still in my first year of being a ham and only have a VHF/UHF HT at the moment (and studying for my general). I'm thinking of getting a radio such as the Yaesu 8900 that does 29/50/144/430 to be more versatile. I'd definitely like to get more range than I do on 144. I do have a 40 foot mast that could be used if I double the radio as a base. My question is about using it with a mobile antenna? I don't know what kind of chances for distance that would do. Right now, I use a 1/4 1/2 wave Diamond mag mount on my truck roof. Would I be able to get any quality distance while in my truck (moving)? In a fixed location, I can always use an antenna on a pole for temporary use. Anyway, I'd appreciate any feedback. On my mast, I'd either use a vertical or a dipole as I'm pretty poor... I've (tentatively) pretty much narrowed down my choices for a Christmas present to either the FT8800 or 8900 if enough family members chip in as both are dual receive and crossband repeat. If not, I will look at a standard VHF/UHF rig w/o added tweaks such as the 7900 or possibly the bare bones 2900..depending on how cheap the relatives are. There is also the situation of more money for a quad band vs. buying a dual band and saving the extra money for a base. It's a choice of the radio fitting my needs. Comments appreciated. Thanks, Steve
 
RE: The Worry and Apprehension of VHF Antenna Pola  
by WA6BFH on October 25, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
For KJ4KKI, what about getting a used "all mode" transceiver?

While FM is OK, Single Sideband is the preferred mode for DX on VHF.

I would recommend the ICOM IC-746Pro
 
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