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My First Date with Olivia

(NO6L) on October 20, 2009
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Last night (8/10/09) began with a very long 75/80M band. There was none of the usual local rag chew chatter because the lack of NVIS propagation mode, so, I thought I'd see what was happening on the rest of the RF Spectrum. I'd heard some NAVTEX on the 600M band and seeing as how I had the laptop on hand I'd interface it to the rig and see what was what. It was some bulletins about missile tests and other things out near the Hawaiian Islands. After a few minutes they signed clear. Ok, that was kind of interesting, though not the 600M experimental amateur stations I was hoping for. Time to cruise up-band and check out the digi-modes on the lower HF bands. There wasn't much going on there, either. Some faint PSK31, RTTY and what's this? A lonely, faint, 16/500 Olivia mode signal at 3582.85Khz operating in beacon mode. I've only started experimenting with the Olivia mode using a home brew interface made from scrapped out CB radios, usually partial contacts and other incomplete QSOs. Was my equipment giving me problems? So, I once again made sure the antenna was tuned, levels were set and my wits appropriately gathered and sent a reply…

Olivia is a digital mode that uses multiple phase shift tones to convey information. You have a rich choice of formats, or sub-modes to choose from to match the speed you wish to send the information and quality of the propagation. Under the worst conditions, for example, 16/500 or even slower will be needed. On the formats with the lowest throughput you will print (copy) even when you don't hear a signal or even see it on the waterfall display. It can actually rival CW in the extreme. But, and there usually is a “but”, with CW even the most crude bits and pieces of electronics components, or even just electrical parts for a spark transmitter, can be cobbled together to get a signal on the air. So in the most extreme combinations of technological environment and propagation, CW still reigns supreme.

What got my attention about Olivia was an article in QST. What intrigued me was that the author described a new digital mode that he was using. On one day, if I recall correctly, he was monitoring an Olivia call frequency and just by chance glanced at the display and saw print just seeming to come out of nowhere. No signal could be heard or even be seen on the waterfall, but there it was. He coined the term “Ghosting”, for this situation. At this point I decided I'd have to investigate this.

So, what happened after I sent the reply? Well, I was rewarded with a long and pleasant QSO with VE7NBQ at a -13db signal to noise ratio. This was to be my first completed Olivia QSO. The two or three previous ones were barely an exchange of call signs. Hardly a “Date” with Olivia, more like “passing glances”. The conditions for most modes were marginal at best, phone impossible and CW difficult at the high noise levels we were experiencing. In fact, we were QRO for Olivia mode, 'NBQ was at 75 watts and I was 90. With only an occasional fade deep enough to garble only a character or two, it was 100% copy. We QSOed for about an hour and then a very strong station from Idaho -5db, W6MM signed on and we had a nice little round table for another half hour before we all signed clear.

To put it bluntly, Olivia's “one tough broad” that works in extreme conditions. It is slow however, in fact, even with my marginal typing skills I can outrun the throughput on the lower speeds. It also supports lower case and even backspaces so I can correct my mistakes even after the characters have been sent. The slow throughput of Olivia should not be an issue in times of disasters, because messages are usually very short, anyway. And if propagation improves you can always run it up to full speed. Finally, because of the low throughput, it kind of forces you to be laid back. You can just let the characters print and you can actually go refill your coffee cup and grab a snack by the time a short paragraph prints. Now that's my kind of multitasking. Sometimes you may have to wait on the other station to reply, especially if you sent a short reply, they may be off refilling the coffee. Just do the same.

All in all I'd say I had a wonderful date with Olivia, and my wife doesn't mind either. This is a robust digital mode that will best other modes in the worst conditions. I'm actually surprised more people aren't utilizing it, but that's what this article attempts to correct. There are plenty of resources on the Internet to get started. As far as interfaces, if you're already active on PSK31 the only difference is switching the mode of the software you're using, or, download software that does support it. I'm still quite new at it, that's why this is not a How-To article, just my first impressions.

Until next time, good signals and good print.

de NO6L

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My First Date with Olivia  
by VE3TMT on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article..

One question, does she have a sister?

Max
VE3TMT
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by K9IUQ on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"One question, does she have a sister?"

As a matter of fact she does. Her name is WSJT and she hangs out around 14075...... She is even S L O W E R than Olivia.

Stan K9IUQ
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by AB2RC on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"One question, does she have a sister? "

No, but she has a brother named Thor.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by KF4HR on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've lost track of how many digital transmission methods there are now; PSK31, QPSK31, BPSK63, multiple versions of WSJT, Hell, PACTOR, AMTOR, GTOR, etc.

It sure would be nice if the programmers of these digital programs added a function that would analyze and identify the type of signal being received.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by N4CQR on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
That would be a nice job for Timewave. Remember the PK-232's SIAM mode?

As for how badly it's needed is another questions. I hear some hams can identify any signal simply by ear. Some claim to actually be able to copy slow-scan by ear! Althoug they see to have problem with the color.

Good article!

C r a i g

:It sure would be nice if the programmers of these digital programs added a function that would analyze and identify the type of signal being received.:
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by NJ2E on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"It sure would be nice if the programmers of these digital programs added a function that would analyze and identify the type of signal being received."

Ham Radio Deluxe / DM 780 does. Without hardware! The
latest version of DM 780, will alert you of signal type
within your audio band pass and ask if you want to copy it. Also a SDR (Software Defined Radio) version of HD is
under development too. My poor old PK232 is sitting there gathering dust, been replaced by a new model.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by KG4RUL on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
KF4HR writes on October 20, 2009

"I've lost track of how many digital transmission methods there are now; PSK31, QPSK31, BPSK63, multiple versions of WSJT, Hell, PACTOR, AMTOR, GTOR, etc.

It sure would be nice if the programmers of these digital programs added a function that would analyze and identify the type of signal being received."

--------

Read all about the Reed Solomon Identifier (RSID) on Wikipedia: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/september2009/reed_solomon_identifier.htm

Per the article, the following programs currently support RSID:

• PocketDigi by Vojtech (OK1IAK)

• FDMDV by Cesco (HB9TLK)

• DM780 by Simon (HB9DRV)

• FLdigi by Dave (W1HKJ)

• Multipsk by Patrick (F6CTE)
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by G8UBJ on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"It sure would be nice if the programmers of these digital programs added a function that would analyze and identify the type of signal being received."

There is, have a look at the latest copy of QST,..

Deconstructing the Digital Tower of Babel

If they include this in future releases there will be less issues working out what mode to select..
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by KC2ZA on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
If you want a even slower mode try JT65A around 14.076. It takes about 5 minutes to exchange a locator, callsign, signal report and finally a 73 !
Worked stuff I never saw on the waterfall or heard on the rig !
73,
Rick
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by KE3HO on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I heard that Olivia really "puts out" :-)
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by N9XCR on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
@KE3HO

You beat me to it! lol

Chris
N9XCR
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by AB7E on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Nice introduction to an interesting digital mode, one that due to its weak signal capability should be very nice for hams with significant antenna restrictions.

I'm pretty sure that Olivia is mostly a "channelized" mode with specific preferred frequencies. Maybe somebody active on this mode could post them here for each of the bands, including if any of them are focused on a particular baud rate.

73,
Dave AB7E
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by OLLIEOXEN27 on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Olivia is alot of fun with a few nits: First there still aren't many ops using it. Second most use the 500khz bandwidth that is way too wide and there are narrower bandwidths of Olivia but no one uses them. Olivia is no better than MFSK16 IMHO but few if any use that mode any longer.

Right now my favorite mode is a carrier on the left side and the information is all to the right of the carrier - the best weak signal mode out there - simple exchange of sign, grid square, and signal report - no silly ragchews or exchange of inpertinent information; no qsb, no work at all just sit back and press a few buttons.

I won't identify this mode because we like it private with no lids gravitating over from the other modes. And I mean YOU!


oli
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by 5R8GQ on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
N4CQR Said
"Remember the PK-232's SIAM mode?"

Yup, I remember that. It was spiffy! It would even
assign an accuracy probability percentage to it's identification of the signal mode. And it ran on the Commodore 64!

What are some good programs to use to get going with
OLIVIA? Are there any specific "watering holes" where the OLIVIA crowd hangs out?
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by AA5JG on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"Second most use the 500khz bandwidth that is way too wide and there are narrower bandwidths of Olivia but no one uses them."

WOW! That wouldn't even fit in the 20 meter band (350khz bandwidth). Guess you need 10 meters to run that version.

73s John AA5JG
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by N4UM on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've been using the mode for about two years and now spend more time on it than any other mode. I've been operating CW for over 50 years and IMHO Olivia is superior to CW for weak signal work - (particularly when your ears start to "go.")

It's pretty much the same as MFSK16 when it comes to copying weak signals down in the noise but tuning is much easier and FAR less critical than on MFSK16.

The default standard is 16 tones, 500 hz. bandwidth. Typically contact is established using 16/500 and then both operators can agree to use a different number of tones and bandwidth - depending upon conditions. Most simply remain on 16/500 since this is usually not a problem.

Olivia frequencies are typically a few khz above the popular psk31 frequencies. 1807, 3584, 7071, 10141 and 14074 will put you in the ballpark for Olivia. Olivia signals are pretty easy to recognize. An Olivia transmission starts and ends with alternating high and low "diddle tones" and then starts sounding like two turkeys having a fight in a burlap sack!

It's a great mode for 160 and 80 meters when the static levels are high.

My impression is that most Olivia enthusiasts are ragchwers who don't often engage in or appreciate canned "macro exchanges." They actually seem to enjoy having conversations and most use macros for only the most routine and repetitive functions...call sign exhanges, CQ's etc.

If you'd like more information about the mode visit WB8ROL's new website....Oliviamode.com
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by WX7K on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I just Googled Olivia and came up with this website. Good info and a list of freqs for each band.
http://hflink.com/olivia/
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by KF6KDA on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Olivia is great stuff.

I've worked a couple of VK's on 20 with Olivia but most of my qso's have been CONUS.

My only gripes. It's deathly slow and full duty cycle. Kinda hard on your radio.

I have been very impressed with weak sigs with it. You see maybe a blip or two on your waterfall, and not hear a thing, but 100% copy on your screen.

Michael
KF6KDA
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by AC0GR on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"It sure would be nice if the programmers of these digital programs added a function that would analyze and identify the type of signal being received."

"Read all about the Reed Solomon Identifier (RSID) on Wikipedia:"

(BTW: Wikipedia entry has been deleted)

RSID is all fine and dandy, if you happen to be tuned in before the transmission starts. Even older digital modes like RTTY can suffer from an over abundance of possible operating modes. There are typical modes that are accepted as standards, but can you tell just by listening?
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by G8UBJ on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
There's a Yahoo group for Olivia where they list frequencies and you can set up skeds discuss issues etc.

I tend to use 1K 32 tones for 20M (@ 14.1075Mhz) and the 500 hz 16 tones mode on the lower bands. But it goes right down to 4 tones if you want something very resilient.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by K5DN on October 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Olivia is not Mulitple Phase Shift; it is Multiple Frequency Shift. Similar modulation as MFSK but different coding. This is why it does so much better than PSK31 for long-haul contacts where phase modulation is caused by atmospheric shifts.

Bob (now K5DN)
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by K3GAU on October 21, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Using RSID enables a couple of nice features. Not only can it identify the mode but most programs that have the RSID feature can also be set up to switch the program to the mode and to 'tune' the modem program to the exact frequency where the RSID was sent. So the receiving station can automatically be put in the right mode and on the correct frequency without the operator having to know either.

That's great if you want to try out various digital modes and see how they compare under the current band conditions. The TXing station transmitts the RSID signal for whatever mode he wants to try and the RXing station will automatically follow to the diferent mode and or different frequency as long as the TXing signal is somewhere in the bandpass of the receiver.

Several of the multimode programs can also send the stations call as part of the RSID message. That adds a 'selective call' feature. In other words, the program can be set up to only respond to the RSID signal of a specific station. For example: You want to talk to station X3XXX (maybe have a sched.) You can tell the program to only respond to X3XXX's RSID signal. If X3XXX comes up and sends its RSID anywhere within the bandpass of your receiver it will notify you or take you to his frequency and put your program into whatever mode he is using. Any other RSID's sent are ignored. It is neat stuff if you have a need for that kind of thing.

73,
Dave K3GAU
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by KA1EEC on October 21, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
are there any cheap qrp kits one could use for olivia?
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by KG8JF on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
While Olivia is a robust mode, it is just too darn slow for a leisurely digital modes contact. I ran into it one day quite by accident. I use DM780 and while tuning around in the rtty portion of 20M I ran into what looked like something crazy on the waterfall. I tried Olivia and wow, the text started printing perfectly. I like it but as I said it is just too slow for me
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by G8UBJ on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"are there any cheap qrp kits one could use for olivia?"

Assuming you already have an HF tranciever and a PC (QED Your posted message?) just download one of the packages that run Olivia .. My favourite is Multipsk

http://f6cte.free.fr/

You need to buld a simple audio interface. If PTT keying is difficult use VOX to go into transmit.

Careful of your transmit drive level.. You should only just see the ALC meter lifting but no more.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by VE3FMC on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I am in love with Olivia :)

I find that I can have some pretty good QSO's on that mode. I have a lot of local QRN and Olivia gets the job done most of the time.

8/500 is my preferred mode, but 16/1000 is fine too.

Now if we could only get some more Olivia ops on the bands it would be great!

Winter is coming, try this mode. 30 watts goes a long ways on 80 meters when using Olivia.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by K5DN on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"Careful of your transmit drive level.."

This is not necessary with Olivia; since only one tone is transmitted at a time, there is no concern for IMD. You can run your transmitter at full power if it can take the heat (some can't).
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by KA1EEC on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
no, a few years ago, I sold all my ham gear (and a bunch of other toys) to pay down some debit from a failed business. Was looking for a cheap way back in that took up mo more space than a paperback book or two and cost about 100$ or less.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by NO6L on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
by WA5KVB on October 22, 2009
>"Careful of your transmit drive level.."

>This is not necessary with Olivia; since only one tone
>is transmitted at a time, there is no concern for IMD.
>You can run your transmitter at full power if it can
>take the heat (some can't).

True, in a perfect world. But if you over drive the audio chain, the interface adds a small amount of distortion or the natural distortion produced in the audio chain is added to the single tone pulses, you will have IMD, much more than with the ALC properly utilized. It'll really show up on a nice, quiet band, and probably irritate more than one operator up/down band working a weak signal station. You won't get anything, like a significant increase in power, from it, so why bother?

Cheers
de NO6L
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by NO6L on October 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks so much for the positive remarks. As for the “social jokes”, if I’d known the title would’ve attracted these things, I would not have used it. They’re old, worn out, on a par with a bad pun and I’d already heard all of them by age 14, 33 years ago.

But I digress, I’ve been digging deeper and found even more information on digital modes. Some views are not entirely accurate or drawbacks presented do not apply only to the Olivia mode. For example, duty cycle. Actually, the Olivia mode and it's siblings present LESS, not more strain on a transmitter. Not through duty cycle, but due to the fact it requires less power to accomplish the same thing. Let’s use RTTY for the first example.

Used at 100% duty cycle, too.
Usually used as a keyboarding mode, unless in a contest or just exchanging macros.
Most people on RTTY seem to type at about the speed Olivia sends.

Olivia mode only needs 1/10th and almost always less power to accomplish the same thing. I’m sure there’s a need for a mode that only supports upper case, no backspace and needs more than ten times the power output. But what ever it is, I don’t have a need for it. It’s not emergency traffic handling, in an emergency, you want to use less power, be able to correct mistakes “on the fly” when keyboarding and have the resistance to fading and noise. Isn’t Amateur Radio about “advancement” of the “state of the art”? It seems RTTY is not anything of the sort. But, I’m a hardcore believer in the Bill of Rights, so, no matter what I think about RTTY, use it all you want, my opinions are of no consequence. Enjoy!

PSK31 is a decent mode. It supports all the things Olivia does at a narrower bandwidth. PSK31 is fairly robust and is a vast improvement over RTTY in the signal to noise department regarding power output. But, it needs more power than Olivia, two or more times. Again, it’s a keyboarding mode, so, even though at it’s slowest, it’s twice as fast as Olivia, but again, most I’ve seen leave PSK31 idle most of the time during the transmission. No gain there.

And CW, I already covered the virtues with CW, they’re almost universally known in the amateur community. And, while idle, uses no power between characters. According to what I’ve gathered so far, with a top rate OP, it can equal the average Olivia connection. But, most OPs are not top rate, and when you use the slower Olivia modes CW will be buried in noise with Olivia at a faster character speed. Strictly speaking in anatomical sense, CW at high noise levels produce more strain. You use more and more of your naturally provided noise filter, true, which is the best known, until fatigue sets in. But, like I said, try to build an Olivia transmitter with an automotive ignition coil as the primary component. Ain’t gonna happen.

Bandwidth was presented as a drawback. Well, it is, but consider this, Olivia stations can actually OVERLAP and only corrupt an occasional character. The amount depends on overlap, obviously. Not only that, but it can overlap other MFSK modes as most of them can, too. And, when you put one ore more CW stations on a frequency and there is an Olivia station that is weaker on the same frequency, neither will know the other is there, except, again, for the occasional corrupted character at the Olivia stations. If you narrow the CW filter way down, you’ll be able to copy CW through even a fairly strong Olivia transmission. I don’t know to what degree, it depends on the CW Ops skill, but it can be done.

Channelizing. Because Olivia can operate without any visual or aural indications, you have to be on an Olivia frequency to receive a CQ. So, in emergency traffic handling, you can’t be of wandering around anyway, get used to it.

“If you’re not on an Olivia call frequency, how can you print a CQ?
How can you print a CQ if you’re not on an Olivia call frequency?

The Pink Floyd fans can appreciate that, I’m sure. But, it goes that way with anything in radio. If you’re not on 146.52, how are you going to hear a simplex general call on two meters? If you’re not on 50.125Mhz when someone transmits an SSB general call to see if the band is open to DX, how will you know? If you’re not on your groups favorite 75M frequency this evening, how are you going to know they’re there? Would these not be examples of channelizing? Until we develop some form of telepathy, some form of channelizing will be needed. But then, we wouldn’t need radio, would we? Besides, aren’t we also about overcoming obstacles? So what if you can’t hear or see the signal, you can print it, right?

Until we develop telepathy, anyway.

Cheers
73
de NO6L
/end of line
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by N9AOP on October 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I have liked all the MFSK soundcard modes since they came out. The original MFSK worked well and still does. Olivia is easy to use and tune and works well. So does Domino. Only problem with Olivia is the ability to generate all sorts of variations in bandwidth and tone number. In the beginning, if you were looking for a continental contact, you used 500/16. If it was overseas then you used 1000/32. Now you find all combinations out there just because it can be done. Too bad there is not more Olivia on the bands. Remember when MFSK first came out and there was a boatload of it on the bands?
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by VA7CPC on October 23, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I tried Olivia with a friend. We gave up on it -- each of us can type faster than Olivia can handle, and the slow sending, and long turnaround time, were frustrating.

We're sticking with PSK31. We'll use MFSK16 occasionally when propagation is poor, but find that if PSK31 doesn't work, MFSK16 has a high error rate.

I keep urging him to try CW, but without success.

The use of RTTY for contesting is an example of "different modes for different uses". RTTY is _robust_ -- the turnaround time is very short, the bandwidth is reasonably narrow, the typing speed is reasonably fast.

Olivia in a contest situation? Somehow, I don't think it would fly.

Charles
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by K5END on October 25, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for posting the article and comments on Olivia MFSK.

Here in Hurricane Alley this mode may be very useful for making local contacts DURING the hurricane passage,
because it is said to work so well even with low signals.

A lot of Ham and Commercial towers suffered here during Ike. The ISPs were disrupted, and in Allison even the POTS, IFB dialup phones were disrupted, probably because Allison damage was more from flooding than from wind.

So my thinking is that QRP with a battery and simple, less efficient, such as a fencetop horizontal loop or fencetop terminated folded dipole could be used very effectively--unless the fence blows down, of course. (Many do.) Even mobile antennas with their low HF efficiency and car battery could "do Olivia" easily. Just get a mobile with a back seat. (SRI, couldn't resist that one.)
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by N6HPX on October 25, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
sounds like a fun mode to try out will test it in January when I get back off this ship and on dry land in my station..

73 from Washington state enroute to Japan
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by OLLIEOXEN27 on October 26, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I'd like to get on Hellschreiber more often. I read recently it was used by the Germans during WWII for espionage. Neat stuff.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by OLLIEOXEN27 on October 27, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Solar flux is 81 today - whoooeee!
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by NO6L on October 28, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
>by WA5KVB on October 20, 2009
>Olivia is not Mulitple Phase Shift; it is Multiple
>Frequency Shift.

I stand corrected. See, I told all of ya' I'm in no position to write a how-to, except for my interface, some day.

>by VA7CPC on October 23, 2009
>I tried Olivia with a friend. We gave up on it --
>each of us can type faster than Olivia can handle,
>and the slow sending, and long turnaround time, were
>frustrating.

If you try a low throughput low S/N mode in the future, be it Olivia or something else, may I offer a suggestion, only a suggestion, utilize some patience.

>We're sticking with PSK31.

That's fine, if all you want to do is trade macros. One of the reasons I found out that I never had a *real* QSO on PSK or RTTY is because all they wanted was a callsign.

>I keep urging him to try CW, but without success.

Stop pushing and you might get your wish. The human psyche is a strange thing. In his subconscious, at least, his pride is fighting you, and that's a war you will ultimately loose, by loosing a friend, and you won't know why. Or, he is just not interested, it happens.

>Olivia in a contest situation? Somehow, I don't think it would fly.

Somehow, I don't think I was discussing contesting. Where in my article or the replies did I or anybody advocate Olivia as a contesting mode? On other hand, where did you see that it was advocated as a weak signal, emergency communication and rag-chew mode? Pretty much everywhere. So, why is it getting pointed out, once again, that something is not suitable for contesting when we *all* are aware of it in the first place? It's just... not... relevant.
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by AF6IT on October 28, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Great article. "PSK only" lovers, why do most of you just give up & shut down when I keep going another hour or two? You don't have to! And wider bandwidth = greater speed, and when the band is otherwise dead who will care? Fewer tones speeds things up, too if you prefer to keep it narrower as I do. For most Olivia could be the mode of choice when all else fails. With my QRP station it rocks most of the time unless propagation is exceptional for this point in the solar cycle. Usually even when the kilowatt Pactor stations fail to listen before transmitting it just rocks. (Oh my, Pactor stations would NEVER do that, would they?! :) I just hope the newer mail forwarding digital modes can figure out how to avoid bombarding ongoing QSO's in the same way- though given their far more reasonable bandwiths and lower power we can only hope Pactor soon gets replaced with even better modes.

I do see a lot of beginners who haven't yet discovered how to put their Olivia signal where it best fits. We need to avoid stomping on others and if you want contacts using the recommended channels sure helps a lot. And if running between channels you wind up taking two 'channels' out- although QSO's in progress usually just keep going anyway with hardly a notice. As mentioned earlier Oliviamode.com & the HFLink Olivia pages have a lot of helpful info about how to get the best results with the least frustration. Yes, there are many new modes these days, but I have yet to see any which can better Olivia for any real QSO in poor conditions.

Stu AF6IT
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by N6HPX on October 30, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
usually in my case I begin my ops in the morning and late afternoon and this conflicks at times with meals...either eat now or the dawg will...

73
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by K6LE on November 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The reason he mentioned contesting, I suspect, was as a balance to your rather disparaging comments about RTTY.

You made it sound like there is not real use for RTTY anymore and he was pointing out that it is still the superior contest mode (and, BTW, for DX'ing)
 
RE: My First Date with Olivia  
by KL7 on November 11, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
It was this article that got me curious enough to build a sound interface and see what the digital modes were all about. After butchering an old AM/FM radio for the pots and two old dial-up modems for the transformers, I was on the air with the latest fldigi on my old laptop running Kubuntu Linux. I am recently back into ham radio after a long absence, so all digital modes are "new" to me. I have made a couple of BPSK31 contacts and one Olivia contact (also with Peter, VE7NBQ!). The amount of work done to develop these digital modes must be incredible and the results are certainly impressive. The noise immunity of Olivia is amazing. I can't make any kind of comparison with CW though. As an engineer, these "new" digital modes appeal to my intellect. But CW is for my soul. Thanks for the great article.
 
My First Date with Olivia - comparison to MT63?  
by HB9ERT on November 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
It seems for marginal conditions and low power (DX etc) MT63 would be even better - with its forward error correction it should work under severe conditions with close to zero errors and still very good speed like 100 wpm. Granted, it uses less than half the bandwidth than SSB. Any experiences or tips? I'd love to get started on this mode as I am limited with large antennas. I'll use an IC-7000 with a USB interface and Multimode under Mac OS X
 
My First Date with Olivia  
by KB2HSH on November 18, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Olivia 500/16, while wide, is excellent for marginal conditions. About a year ago, I had a LONG QSO with a German station on 30. And while it was almost impossible to HEAR him, we still had solid copy after the band started getting lousy.

But, like many others have said, JT65A is incredible for low power and DX.

My 2 cents.

John KB2HSH
 
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