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Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What?

Ron Bean (KJ5XX) on November 2, 2009
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In the process of building a stealthy vertical antenna system recently, I was thinking about how best to install an efficient radial system on my city-sized lot.

It occurred to me that other than not wanting to run over the radials with the lawnmower, that there really wasn't a real need to "bury" the radials at all.

I came up with the idea of "sewing" the radials just below the surface of the grass. The next question was finding a suitable sewing needle that was up to the task.

The solution I came up with was to use a stainless steel whip from an old Bugcatcher antenna that I was no longer using. The whip was about 4' in length and provided a nice flexible, yet thin and sturdy platform that turned out to be just perfect for threading my radial system.

Of course a longer whip would be even better, and would prevent having to pull the needle through and reinsert it again.

To use this method, I did the following:

1. Cut your radials. My antenna was designed to operate on 40, 20, 15 and 10 meters, so I cut sets of radials for each of these bands. It helps to have one wire color for each band you plan to operate on. This isn't a requirement, but makes running the wires easier as we'll see in a moment, if you plan on laying your radials in "sets".

2. Using "marking paint" (found in local hardware stores in bright orange or red, but any can of spray in a color that is easily seen will work), I marked the distance from my antenna to the place in the grass that each length of radial would terminate at, so measuring out from the radial, I made spray marks in my lawn at the termination point for a 40m, 20m, 15m, and 10m radials, and I repeated this process for each "set" of radials that I ran.

3. Drive a stake in the ground at the point where your radial system will attach to your antenna base. Leave an inch or so extra on the end of each radial to be sure that you have what you need for your solder lugs or whatever you are planning to use to attach the radials to the base of your antenna. Attach your radials to the stake. This will serve as a temporary anchor point while you run the radials.

4. Using electrical tape (duct tape will also work well), tape the other end of your radial set to your needle. There is no need to wrap multiple layers of tape. Just tape the radials to your needle so that they are secure, but not too tight.

5. Keeping the needle parallel to your lawn and close to the surface, thread the tip of the needle just beneath the surface of the grass. You'll be able to feel when you are going too deep - just pull the needle back out an inch or so and re-thread. You'll also be able to "see" your needle as it makes progress, as it will cause the grass to sort of push up as it tunnels its way through. If you run out of "needle" before you reach your spraypaint mark, simply re-insert it near its point of exit and go again, just as if you were sewing.

6. When you approach your first spraypaint mark, push the end of the needle up close to that mark, then feel for the needle and extract the tip. Then pull the rest of the needle through and out of the grass. Pull until the needle just comes out of the grass. If you measured correctly, your shortest radial should be taught and line up with your paint mark.

7. Having identified your shortest radial, pull it free from the needle. If you used a different colored wire for each band, this will be very easy to identify.

8. Now, take the portion of the radial you just pulled free from the needle and push it underneath your grass. If you need to, you can use a box cutter to make a slit in the grass and re-insert the radial end.

9. Now, this next part can be a little tricky. Pull the slack from the remaining radials until you feel tension on the shortest radial. Now, re-insert the needle, as close to the point where it exits the grass as possible, and start threading again. This is where the flex in your stainless whip will come in handy, because you may have to use this flex to give you some extra room to allow you to re-insert the tip. Work with it, if you don't get it on the first try - like I said, this is the tricky part.

10. Repeat this process until you have all of your radials laid.

As an alternative, you can lay the radials one at a time as opposed to laying them in sets. You may find this faster depending on what bands you plan on using (and therefore, how close the radials are in length to one another - this is kind of hard to explain, but if the lengths are close and you lay them in sets, it can make it hard to extract the needle and re-insert it).

That's it!

I'd be interested in hearing from other hams that have tried this method, and have any suggestions for improving it (or the instructions I've laid out here).

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Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W9PMZ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
1. Cut grass very short.
2. Lay radial(s) on ground.
3. Attach one end of the radial(s) to common point.
4. Attach 16 penny nail to the other end, pull taught, push nail 6" or 10" in the ground (this really makes the radial taught).
5. In a few weeks the radials are mostly covered.
6. In a month you won't notice them.
7. Next season, where are they?

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by NI0C on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Most of the literature on radials for ground mounted verticals indicates there is no need to cut radials to specific lengths for specific bands as they are detuned by their proximity to the earth. I've always simply cut radials to fit the space available, and have never measured one.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by NN4RH on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I'm guessing based on this "creative idea" that you've never actually laid out radials yourself, have you?

Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through when you could much more easily accomplish the same thing by just cutting the grass short, stretching them out on the ground, pinning them down where needed, and then giving Mother Nature a couple weeks or so to "sew" them into the thatch for you.

By the way, you don't have to cut radials for resonance on each band if they're going to be in/on the ground.

And by bundling ground radials together in "sets", you're wasting wire.
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by NY7Q on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I cut my radials, coiled into one foot diameter, and laid at bottom of antenna...works great....and I used different colors for each band....
an ole timer suggested I try it,,,by gosh, it works.
I had them spread all over the yard at one time...never again....
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by N0AH on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've been uing my great uncle's Singer Ground Laying sewing lawn machine for years. It can a bit testy with crab grass, but can run a sewed line of 40 radials of 18 guage wire across your everyday lawn in about two hours. It cross stiches 4 inches deep using 80lb test line to hold the radial wire down and I swear, you can cut the yard as short as a Georgia putting green without hitting a fiber of wire on the surface. I heard MFJ is about to steal the patent so you know it has to be good-
 
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by K1DA on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Is this an "April Fool" article? Length should be whatever fits and use cut off lengths of coathanger in a "U" shape to hold them down until they sink into the sod.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by N7WS on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
What's all this talk of "sod", "grass", "lawn mowers", etc?

Pretty presumptuous that we all have these things in our yards.

In my case, it's Saguaro, Prickly Pear and Cholla cactus, Ironwood trees and other sticky stuff.

I've used the technique for years of using a 20 foot length of 3/8" rebar as a "needle" to lay radials through and under these plants.

I use a small stainless steel hose clamp to attach the wire to the rebar and either push or pull it, depending on circumstances, through the vegetation at or below ground level. The 3/8" diameter is limber enough to deflect around stubborn roots and light enough to be handled with relative ease.

Wes Stewart, N7WS
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by K5END on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Scoffers, think about it.

Depending on your climate and the season, "sewing" radials might not be such a bad idea.

True, if they are laid taught on short grass (or with lawn staples) they'll be "ingrown" as long as the grass is still active and growing.

But at this time of year that may not work everywhere.

Aside from that, everything I have read suggests that cutting ground radials to tune for the bands is not effective.

Some people use chicken wire to lay down a ground mat instead of individual radial wires. They swear by it.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W9PMZ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"I cut my radials, coiled into one foot diameter, and laid at bottom of antenna...works great....and I used different colors for each band...."

Intersting...

1. As it has been said length is probably not that important so long as they are at least .1WL long at the lowest frequency and as many as possible.
2. Intuitively, I don't see how coiling them works, at least to help optimize return loss. But it's an exercise for EZNEC.
3. I have 100 33' radials under my Hustler 5BTV that I think work pretty good, 40-10 and OK on 75. But 75 is limited because of the resonator. I can't imagine coiling that much wire at the base of the antenna.

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by AF6AU on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I use a gas powered edger, equipped with a new blade, and pull it along, that way the cut groove is nice and clean. Some guys use a hand muscle powered edger, but that's like work. Some metal bladed electrics will work, but forget the rechargable ones.

Lay in the wire, and hose the loose dirt back. No need to go deep either, shallow is fine. Can lay 16 radials in a couple hours easy, and you don't bend over or work on your knees a lot. I use insulated wire, for the most part, it lasts longer. However I mix in a couple heavy bare lines too, for those days when you have pissed off God and he throws a lightning bolt your way.

JML
AF6AU
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W2LJ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I use Carl W9MPZ's method and it works great. Only thing is that you have to so in early Spring or Summer, if you live in areas of the country where it gets colder. If you were to do it now, the wires will be exposed over the Winter. That being said, that might only be a cosmetic consideration of you have an XYL who doesn't like to see wires on the lawn. But if you have a dog who likes to dig .......
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W2LJ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry! That's Carl W9PMZ's method. Sorry for the typo on your call, Carl.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by KB9BIT on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I did the short grass thing. Cut the grass very short, laid out 32 25-foot radials for my 6BTV, secured them close to the ground using ~300 large straightened-out paper clips, pulling them taut to get them as close to the ground as possible.

Afterward I took a rake and raked radially away from the base plate along each radial. This essentially pulled the short grass up around the radials and the radials seemed to move closer to the soil. They are now virtually invisible, even though the grass is no longer growing here. Come spring they will be completey hidden. I probably spent about 6 hours total installing them.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by AB7E on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
By laying his radials in sets, KJ5XX wasted every single wire except for the longest ones. They would have actually been useful if they were evenly distributed.

By coiling his "radials", NY7Q built a quarter wave vertical with a kind of counterpoise but did nothing to reduce ground return losses ... which must be quite large. I wouldn't be surprised if it loads OK, but it won't radiate at all like it should.

73,
Dave AB7E
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by WX7K on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I, too, understand that radial lengths are not critical. In fact I have read that anything over about 30' long is wasted wire and any more than 18 pairs is overkill due to diminishing returns. Now, a counterpoise is another animal all together and needs to be tuned AND off the ground to work properly.

I live in an area where the soil is very hard and dry and I need to aerate my yard twice a year. The three choices I have considred are:

1. Set out radials on the surface and pick them up each time I mow or aerate (tried it and it IS a pain, but works)

2. Bury them deep enough (>3 inches) to keep from getting cut by the aeator machine (haven't done this yet, seems like a lot of work).

3. Do not aerate the area where the radials are located. (This seems like the easiest and best method to me and I plan to implement this fall)

Anyone with other ideas?
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W9TTW on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I just layed the radials on the ground staked them down on each end with clothes pins and waited for a good rain and rolled them with a yard roller. Can't even see them now.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by AC7NA on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Rent a "ditch witch" from Home Depot or an equipment rental company. They are used to install lawn sprinkler systems.

They are designed to cut and lift the sod, dig a furrow for the irrigation line, lay the line and replace the sod in a continuous process. You can substitute moderate size wire (#16AWG or larger) in place of the poly irrigation line and it works fine. The depth is adjustage and would work well for the gentleman who wanted to stay deeper than his lawn aerator.

Brian AC7NA
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by N0LOH on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I don't sew the radials, I knit them. My Elmer used to crochet them and a member of our club does needlepoint with them. If you view his QTH with Google Earth you can see his callsign!

If you believe any of what I just told you, then I have some prime Florida real estate for sale, too!
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W8KQE on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
When I lived with my parents years ago, I had my own 'stealth' HF setup. I had a Hy-Gain 40 thru 10 multiband vertical, essentially ground mounted a few feet off the ground in the middle of a small rock garden in the backyard. I had 8 small 'hand cranked' wooden spools (lacquered and painted camouflage colors) of insulated wire at the base of the vertical which I unwound over the grass and wooded area for my operating sessions. It took only a few minutes to unwind/wind up the radials, and it worked very well with my 'barefoot' TS-430S. In the winter months, with no outside backyard lawn traffic, I just left the spools unwound.
 
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by NX8J on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Designing radio antennas is fun, but digging in the dirt is not my idea of a good time. A local teenager was elated to receive $20 in exchange for burying a dozen or so radials two inches beneath the surface. He used a manual edger, which was just a flat blade on a 6 foot handle. He only took an hour or two to plant all wires, which ran in all directions as far as possible, but no more than a quarter wave at the lowest freq I use. Why bury? We thatch our yard.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by N1DVJ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I think the real test of these methods will be in the spring.

IF they survive the lawn mower...
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by N4LQ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
For decades the instructions with the Hustler BTV has been wrong when it comes to cutting radial length. Cutting radials to a specific length is totally the opposite of what needs to be done. You want as much metal in the ground as possible. Chopping them off in an attempt to make them represent some band is BAD. It's counter productive.
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by WB6PWD on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
So what? I was taught to spell sufficient tension, "taut."
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by KI4SDY on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Some of these guys just have dirt in their yards. All they need to lay radials is a shovel!
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by W8AAZ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I once had a used Hustler trap vertical when I was a youngster. I made radials out of some kind of thin cheap wire, might even have been bare wire. Laid as many as I could, probably not a full quarterwave, I just put down a whole great big bunch. I think I buried them by stretching them out and slitting the soft soil with a spade or something and pressed them in. They are probably still there. But I did not bury the coax cable. Duh. My bro. made it a sport to chop my coax as often as possible with the mower by somehow getting it up where it could be hit and then blaming me for the mess. Well the antenna worked great when connected.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by NY7Q on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I work all bands, EU, Africa, South America with no problemooo.
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by K3STX on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I too tried the "staple" radial wire down flat (with lawn staples) with very short grass. Worked great, very quickly you could not see them. That was great.

What was NOT great was in the fall when I had to rake up my leaves, every one of those radials came UP with my raking/de-thatching grass.

Now I bury my radials at least 1 inch by digging a "trench" in soaking-wet grass using an AXE, laying down the wire, and tamping down the wet grass. DONE!

paul
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by K0BG on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
One of the finest series of articles on radials, both ground based and elevated, was written by Rudy Severns, N6LF, and appeared in the pages of QEX. They are also on his web site (http://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/). If you're going to do radial correctly, no matter how you happen to lay them down, or sew them in, you should read Rudy's treatise first.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by KJ4NBM on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I wonder if I can sew radials under my neighbors privacy fence into his backyard?!?
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by NE4W on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
>>I wonder if I can sew radials under my neighbors privacy fence into his backyard?

sew 'nuff!
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by N1DVJ on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
KJ4NBM wrote:

" wonder if I can sew radials under my neighbors privacy fence into his backyard?!? "

That would be REAL exciting when the neighbor gets them caught up in his lawnmower!
 
RE: Running Radials the Easy Way -- Sew What? Reply
by WX7G on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent! This will work perfectly for hiding some radials in the park on the other side of my fence. Thanks.
 
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by AC5N on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
lol, in the park....yeah if i didn't have concrete block walls between my yard and the neighbors, they would all have radials buried in their yards, night mission lol
 
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by WB4ROA on November 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Easier, use lawn edger with blade in vertical position. The blade makes about 1/2" deep, very narrow cut.

Cut off about 6-8" of flexible copper tubing, such as that used in refrigerator ice maker lines. Put a 20-30 degree bend in the tubing.

Thread the radial wire through the tubing and connect the wire to ground lug nearest to the antenna. Push the end of copper tubing into the cut made by the edger and just walk with it. This pushes the wire nicely down into the bottom of the cut. You can lay wire as fast as you can walk backwards.

Turbo model: get one of the rolling seats - lays wire as fast as you can push yourself along.

I learned the hard way about trying to let grass grow over radials. I had two very dangerous creatures attack my on the ground radials. The first was a teenager on a riding mower, and the second was a herd of deer spooked by the dogs.

First dangerous creature only killed 12 or so radials. Music into both ears prevented him from hearing the death screams of breaking wire.

Deer hooves dig into the ground pretty deep when they commence to run. A few deer managed to mangle about 20 radials, making multiple breaks in each wire where they could not be salvaged at all.

Take the time to sink radials if you are haunted by either of these dangerous creatures.

Hank WB4ROA
 
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by N3ZC on November 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I just used lawn staples from Home Depot (you can get "Bio-Degradable" ones from DX Engineering) & cut the lawn short..stapled my 60 radials down to the lawn..& in a few months they "disappeared" into the lawn..They are hard to find now even if looking for them..

From what I understood..ground mounted radials need not be cut to length(s) band-wise as they "couple" to the ground..only aerially-mounted ones need be?..

73'..Tom N3ZC
 
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by W3NRL on November 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I made my vertical and ran my radials the way the rest of the guys are saying, cut the grass short lay the radials down and watch the grass grow in several weeks wala no visible radials, and i am having fun making contacts all over the world with 59 reports.
I think your idea is not a bad one just takes too much time out of your time to enjoy the radio time!!!
have fun enjoy
best of 73 de
w3nrl
Nick
 
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by K4KYV on November 5, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
In 1983, I buried 16,000 ft of #12 bare copper for my radial system. With a helper, it took me about 4 days to complete the job. The result was 120 quarter-wave radials for 160m. The soil has not significantly corroded the copper wire after all these years.

I used a home-made plough attachment to a larger size Troy-built rear tine garden tiller. I temporarily removed the tines and attached the plough. It was fabricated in the form of a blade with a cutting edge, with a piece of 1/4" steel brake line brazed to the trailing edge. A local welding shop welded together the parts that I cut out of scrap steel with hand tools, and brazed the hollow tube to the back side of the blade. I made a reel to hold enough wire for one radial, attached using a bracket to mount it between the handle bars of the tiller.

I fed the wire through the hollow tube on the trailing edge of the plough, and attached it to a fixed point near the base of the antenna. I then dropped the plough into the ground and ran the tiller out away from the tower. As the tiller advanced, the cutting edge made a slit in the soil and the trailing edge deposited the wire in the slit, all in one operation. It took just a few minutes to lay each radial.

I got the idea from watching a telephone installer use the machine the phone co. provides to bury telephone drop cable from the buried utility line to the house. I think a similar homebrew plough was described in an issue of Ham Radio magazine sometime in the 70's.

I attached all the radials to the common point at the base, formed with a copper bus-ring that surrounds the antenna base, using some heavy gauge copper strap I had on hand. Ordinary copper pipe should work OK. The radials were soldered to the bus ring using silver alloy brazing rods obtained from a plumbing shop; the heat source was a Mapp gas torch. A propane torch doesn't get hot enough to melt the silver alloy. Be careful, though, it is easy to melt the copper if the Mapp gas flame is allowed to dwell too long at the same spot. The copper needs to be heated to a dull red. No flux is necessary with the silver alloy rods.

NEVER use ordinary lead-tin solder to attach ground radials. Minerals in the soil will quickly turn the solder into a white powder and the connection will literally fall apart within just a few weeks.
 
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by W7RF on November 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Many good suggestions and a few not so good. Coiling wire at the base is wrong, as is "bundling" numerous radial wires together, the effect of "bundling" is ONE wire, no matter how many you ran in the bundle. Coiling the radial wire at the base does nothing to provide a path for return current, thereby reducing ground loses. W9PMZ has it correct for most installations with the addition that staples from KB8NTY (on eBay) every 5-10 feet or so, depending on foot traffic in that area. The idea here is to not look at the radial job as being any harder than it needs to be. If you do think of it as hard to do some of these heroic efforts to install radials, you may decide that 4 or 8 or 16 are "good enough". What is "good enough"? For me this is when the extra heroic effort for either longer or more radials has so little effect as to not be worth the effort. When is this? When the number of radials will no longer change the feed point impedance. Usually around 60 radials for most ground types. Length of the radial? If you have the land, make it as long as the antenna is high, ok maybe 1.5 times that length just to be sure. There is no free lunch on vertical antennas and radials! However, the effort to put down a great radial system is well worth the effort in a much lower angle of radiation for DX work and much reduced ground loses for bigger signals into that DX receiver. Do you really want to make 100 watts play? Then pay attention to your radial field and work the world!
Read what Steve WB2WIK says in his writing on this subject. It is available on DXengineering website under the Hustler antennas area. 73, Dan W7RF
 
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by KC8VWM on November 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
All safety rules, common sense and precautions apply...

I have used a cordless circular saw with an old dull blade attached. I never go "too" deep with the blade, less than 1/2" seems just fine. The objective is to draw lines or "score" the soil using the motorized circular saw blade so the radial wire lays nicely between the cut. Sometimes the lines are not always going to be perfect but using a chalk line to mark the intended cut helps.

Another method I also used involved the same old dull blade but a more manual method was involved. I fabricated a set of handles and installed them through the center hole of the circular saw blade. You kind of drive the blade along the grass like using a rolling pin.

I find the placement of buried radials is best accomplished when the soil is somewhat moist, like the day after a good rainfall etc.

I'm sure there's other idea's out there...

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
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by W7ET on November 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
A friend of mine used a "pizza cutter" to cut the trench in his very wet lawn for radials. Seemed to work OK for him.
 
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by W9EWZ on November 18, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Reviewing all the member comments on this article provided some of the more entertaining reading I've come across in the past few days. Thanks fellas!
W9EWZ
 
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