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Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?

from Bob Raynor, N4JTE on August 16, 2010
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Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?
By, Bob Raynor, N4JTE

I’m presenting this article to hopefully ask some pertinent questions that might inspire thoughtful discussion on where we’ve been, where we are now, and what does the future hold for Amateur radio.

Retrospective;
The origin and evolution of Ham radio clearly shows that we were blessed with some very talented innovators and experimenters.

In 1936 W9GFZ, Grote Reber was instrumental in the design and development of the first radio astronomy telescope; he built it out of wood and wires and started a whole new discipline in the science world. In 1935 Edwin Armstrong, among other radio inventions, laid the ground work for what we now call FM.

During the following 15 years the amateur community contributed many innovations we use today like SSB, the yagi antenna, 2 meter moonbounce and SSTV over amateur radio bands, before half the country had a TV in their living room.

It pays to remember that Hams launched their own communication satellite in 1961. Oscar 1 predated by 40 years the satellite worldwide communications we take for granted these days.

I, and many others probably set up their own HF and VHF repeater stations over 30 years ago, predating the cell tower culture by many years. We also introduced Packet and RTTY during that era while the internet was still in it’s infancy.
Sooooo, what have we done lately to match those advances?

Are we content with the advancement of Ham Radio on any level? Of course the radios are smaller and more powerful along with the good ol plug and play capability. If not for Ham radio piggybacking on computer technology we probably would have died from boredom by now. Are our wireless cell phone and internet emissions going out into space and competing with old Burns and Allen radio shows? Is it any wonder that some celestial visitor hasn’t graced us with their presence? To be fair, it could be 80 meters slowing down that first visit. Scientists tell us that computer memory is doubling every year and in 10 years a super computer will equal the process power of our brains pound for pound!

At this rate we will be living thru avatars and visiting Pam on the beach between our feedings in the nursing home.

It’s probably more fair to define the relevance of ham radio to our own experiences; possibly, but we as Ham operators live in our own box of blocks, sorta like preaching to the choir.

My favorite times on the radio revolved around being an NCS on the Maritime Mobile Service net running emergencies, phone patches for deployed military, Antarctic scientists and scared medical students in Granada. Well, that whole deal got antiquated in a heartbeat after Sat phones and GPS technology took charge. I got over it and adapted to other areas of interest in Ham radio but the fact remains that newer technology beat the pants off of that avocation.

What’s the Next Big Thing in ham radio ? Will it take an Armageddon to reacquaint the great tech savy crazed majority that a radio, a wire, and a battery will still allow communication between human beings ? Sorry no tweets ! Hell of a scenario but played out occasionally to indifferent ears during recent natural and unnatural disasters.

Is it fair to expect a Hobby to lead the way in technology?

Think about the RC airplanes we built and played with that evolved into the Predator taking out the bad guys. Will there be an engineer or some Ham radio operator in our lifetime that will jump out of the box and design a super efficient HF antenna that doesn’t need towers and acreage? The laws of physics are being challenged/ changed every hour to explain the origin of the universe. So why not the good old, and I mean old, antenna theories we confine ourselves to.

Scientists are working on HFGW, high frequency ground wave propagation thru the Earth layers that has shown some remarkable progress and interesting results worldwide. Hope there a few Hams on that team.
I have to assume that most of us are content with where we are in the technology aspect of our hobby and take comfort in our ability to chat with friends, chase some DX or building antennas. Sure it’s a fun way to pass the time and keep in touch but I, for one, hope we can restore the incredible quest for progress and sense of urgency that the original innovators began, and somehow, take the baton finally and figure out some new ways to survive the challenge of competing in sterile and artificial technologies.

I am raising all these questions because it seems to me that Ham radio has stagnated and not kept up with its pioneering history of innovation and cutting edge technology. If you consider hooking up your radio to a computer as the paradigm of Ham radio then perhaps my age is showing.
What would be cool from my limited perspective would be an HF radio with a self contained power source that transmits 100 watts and weighs the same as a laptop. Or maybe a “caller ID” on received signals displaying the call sign, consider the ramifications of that little device. It would be enlightening to know what others would like to see on the Ham market in the near future.

I am sure that there are many ways for Ham radio to regain its promise and it’s lead in cutting edge technology envisioned by those pioneers over 50 years ago.

What’s next? Are we just rearranging chairs on the Titanic?

Tnx for reading,
N4JTE

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Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W7ETA on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Great prose.
Nice article.

Ham Radio is still FUN for me.

73
Bob
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K1CJS on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
It seems to me that thanks to the way the educational system in the country has been skewed to let people who do less work and learning get by, that the 'innovators' that made ham radio what it used to be are way fewer and more far between. The schools in this country are not educational institutions any more, they're day care centers.

I fear that until we, as a country, pull our thumbs out of our backsides and straighten out the public school system, we can kiss innovation and technological leadership goodbye. Oh, and the government programs such as 'No child left behind' are just adding to the problem, not attempting to solve it.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KY6R on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I think as long as there are companies like Elecraft - who can innovate and turn a profit - and hams building there own gear in their garages, in their shacks and on their roofs / towers, Amateur Radio is relevant.

When I search the Internet for answers to questions and I get all of the very high quality answers that I do - I would say that Amateur Radio is MORE relevant than it ever has been. Plans for building antennas and any kind of gear you can think of is more accessible than ever. Just check out W8JI's web site, or check out the Receiver Spec's on the Sherwood Engineering web site.

Now if only a start up company would form that could build high quality transmitting tubes - that would be swell. I'll bet they can even make money in the process!
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KA3NRX on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Once again, ham radio. The only HOBBIE on the face of the earth that has been on LIFE SUPPORT FOR the last 100 YEARS!!!! Stop with the gloom and doom, please!!!!!

Vince P
KA3NRX

 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N8NSN on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
No Child Left Behind = No idiots left alone. If we make 'everyone' dumb... there are no dummies.

I refuse to hijack the OP article, though. We are, most of us anyway, aware of the sickness that has befallen our societies, today. No need to beat a horse that is already dead. Perhaps the horse is only sleeping?

This was an excellent prose. The 'underground' antennas using the layers of the earth to propagate HF waves are nothing new... The U.S. Navy and other military entities throughout the world have been doing this since the inception of radio, itself...

Hopefully we will eventually be able to drive a rod of reasonable length into the ground and communicate about the entire globe? Consider BPL, however, using the earth for the conductor instead of the power lines... Always remember... the GREATEST inventors were ALWAYS told... "Whack idea"... "It can not be done", or otherwise discovered their greatest contributions by 'mistake' while in search of other results than what were achieved.

Alas, as we dumb it down, as previously stated, we ALL lose (except those whom wish to 'control all the masses of drones, overstimulated-entertainment junkies)... The 'plan' implemented by the 'controllers' only works if "We the People" fall short of understanding and not fearing the disclosure of 'its' intent. Put more simply, WAKE UP, STAND UP, DO NOT FEAR, or perish. But, it's most likely too late as we have all fallen into a deep entertainment coma. The news of Tiger Woods, OJ, Pam Anderson... and a myriad of other 'just people' has become more important to 'the masses' that what is REALLY important... So, as our innovation skills dwindle to the plug and play mentalities of the entire summation of humanity, so do our chances of ever being 'free' again. Yes Virginia, the sky really IS falling.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KF4HR on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio is certainly relevant today as a hobby, be it a contesting past time for some (unless a ball game is on), experimentation for others, chewing the rag, SSTV, ATV, Satellites, etc, or for some that take the hobby more seriously, Emergency Communications.

Although as far as EMCOMM and ham radio goes, with technology moving forward so quickly, in my opinion, it's just a matter of time before multiple-path communications technology reaches a level that fully incorporates emergency situations, which will eventually render ham radio EMCOMM as antiquated as the pony express.

The hobby will certain continue and is relevant based on the FCC's primary definition, "... an opportunity for self-training, intercommunication, and technical investigations."

Will any new technology come along? Whether hams lead the show or not, no doubt it will. But regardless of the technology, be it Spark Gap or the latest-greatest digital mode, it all comes down to exchanging the same information that was exchanged back when the hobby started.

KF4HR

 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5HTW on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Relevant? To what? It's a hobby, and it is no longer a 'technical investigations' hobby. It is a push to talk hobby. We don't have to do any more than grab the mike, press the button, and yak away.

Relevant to EMCOM? Less and less all the time, as public safety systems become more and more sophisticated, with more redundancy. We aren't needed right now except once every two or three years, briefly. Give it another five years and public safety systems will actually beg hams to stay away. In fact, many of those systems already do so.

Relevant to technical achievement? Well, if pushing the PTT button is technical achievement, I guess so.

It is true, though, there are hams still building things, still experimenting in EHF and SHF, still developing new technologies, but they are a tiny minority. For probably 90 percent of the ham population we are users - we use technology developed by commercial entities. All we want to do is get on 20 meters and work DX.

Relevant to international good will? Uh, yeah, if "You're five nine seventy three, QRZ?" does the job.

Perhaps the question should be, is building plastic car models relevant?

Ed
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K8QV on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Inventing cutting edge technology is beyond the scope of the radio hobbyist at this point. It must be left to the R&D of the major electronic manufacturers who have the equipment and training.

Is the hobby still relevant? Oil painting remains a popular pastime even though photography makes a faster and more accurate visual record. That seems a good analogy to me because newer technologies have surpassed radio as a means of reliable, efficient communication, but that's no reason to hang up the paddles or mic and get on the Internet or smart phone. Amateur radio will never be the best means of communication, but the hobby is about more than mere communication.

 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5HTW on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
More on relevancy ...

I would say just enjoy it as the hobby it is. Don't try to make it relevant to anything but personal enjoyment. That's what it is meant to be. At one time it did a few other things, and certainly it helped, decades ago, to explore and even develope new technologies. But even then, it was just a hobby to be enjoyed.

It is true that a few hams do a pretty fair job of supporting things like fund raising walkathons, or bicycle races. Why not? But so many of those are now supported by FRS instead.

Just kick back and enjoy. Don't try to be profound. Grab the mike, work some DX, and swap some QSL cards. That's what it's about!

Ed
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AA4PB on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
For the most part (not every case, but for the most part) technology is beyond the point where tinkerers can develop major advancements in their garage shops. Such activity now requires expensive equipment and hundreds of man-hours of development work, usually done by teams of engineers. Because of large scale integration, development often requires the potential for the sale of millions of devices in order to be financially viable.

 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K3AN on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I'd love for "rookies," those licensed less than five years, to enlighten us old-timers by answering three questions.

1. Why did you get your ticket?
2. What do you like about Amateur Radio?
3. What don't you like about it?

We old-timers can speculate endlessly about what the answers might be, but that's all it would be- speculation. I think it would be very instructive to hear it from the new folks themselves.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K1BXI on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
K3AN..........very good idea that should be a separate article all by it's self.

Hopefully it wouldn't turn into the "OF's" telling the new guys that they took a dumbed down exam and without a Morse test they are only half a ham. Way to much of that feeling on here.

The new hams did exactly as I did 53 years ago....took the exams that the FCC wanted us to take to achieve an amateur radio license.

As far as "Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?".....the same thing was said in the early 60's. Remember incentive licensing?...Good or bad, I'm not sure it made any of us smarter or ham radio more relevant. It was, and still is, up to the individual as to how much technology he wants to learn. But it sure was an interesting time.

It's still relevant to me......John
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N4KC on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

Yes, it still is.

So let's all go get on the air or put up an antenna or build something or learn a bit about some new technology and quit speculating and arguing about whether the hobby is relevant, dying, or becoming a bore.

But thanks for posting Pamela's picture.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
www.n4kc.blogspot.com
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W8DTW on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thoughtful, insightful and relevant. However, I worry that the future of Ham Radio is always linked to expanding the technology interation. We, as hams, cannot afford to loose sight of the fact that radio is fun and having fun is important to maintaining radio as a hobby. As a firm believer in "life-long learning" I endorse the idea that new technology is important but not at the expense of having fun with a good QSO now and then.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AB2T on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the article Bob. Good points to think over.

I've always wondered if the microwave bands could be used to create a high-speed secure wireless router network (perhaps encrypted and spread-spectrum?). This could be the successor to 2m/70cm packet. Such a system might allow for remote real-time HF access on remote computers. Internet connectivity would be a must. I don't know how that would play out with Part 97. Still, this project might be the spark that bridges high-speed domestic Internet and the ham radio hobby.

It's time to completely revamp the examination process. I feel the flames coming on. Hear me out. Many hams here at eham and on other boards have proposed ideas similar to the following. It took me a long time to come around to this position, but I think it's worth it.

If we hams want our service/hobby to exist well into the 21st century, we have to include cutting edge experimental modes and techniques right at the beginning of a ham's "career". We need to move away from the written test as proof of proficiency (perhaps one comprehensive written test on regulations). Instead of "higher-level" electronic theory exams, we should focus on practical certifications that test hands-on ability to construct a station and work a variety of modes. HF CW will be included in the practica but only as one of the ham radio modes. Australia now has a rudimentary practical test for the two highest licenses. Something to consider.

Heck, you'll find me at the Tech practical class. I'm ignorant of anything outside HF CW and phone. I've got a lot to learn myself.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K0RGR on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio is still the only affordable personal communications system capable of worldwide communications without the use of infrastructure.

Until we all have 2-way satellite wrist TVs - and we may not be far from that - there will be a place for good old fashioned radio.

Cellphones have replaced other forms of radio, but they are still radio, after all. They may look like Star Trek communicators, but the resemblance ends there. And, even the Star Trek versions didn't penetrate solid rock real well. And, like modern cellphones, I suspect the communicators had limited bandwidth and only handled one user or few users at a time. So, no, cellphones have not replaced radios.

Indeed, in many cases, HF radio is still the most appropriate technology for the job. NVIS techniques permit HF radio to penetrate deep into river canyons where VHF, UHF, and cellphones won't work. You can carry a complete 80 meter CW rig in your shirt pocket, complete with a coiled up antenna.

I think there are some interesting innovations taking place quietly around the country. Repeater linking is happening like never before. You can now drive across Wyoming, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Nebraska and find someone to talk to on 2 meters or UHF most of the way.
There may be one person on each repeater in the linked group, but that makes for a big roundtable if enough machines are linked!

New digital modes are born every other day, it seems, and some have special purposes in mind.

Ham radio is evolving, not dying.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by VE6TL on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham Radio will be irrelevant when we stop asking this question.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K5CPF on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Years (decades) from now, there will be old timers predicting the imminent death of ham radio like there always has been, because it's not like when "they" got into it:

"I remember ham radio before it was high-speed 3D direct sensory immersion in a pocket device. That stuff used to take up half the desk and I actually had to run wires between the pieces".

Oh wait... or was that spark-gap? or tubes? or non-IC transistors? Same story; different people.

To answer the OP's question: It is still relevent to those that enjoy it and benefit from it. It will be in the future, but may not be what you know it as today.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KC9KEP on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
“Is Ham radio still relevant?”

Much of the answer depends on how you define “relevant”.

The technology associated with radio is definitely relevant.
The laws of physics haven’t changed much since radio’s inception.

Concepts such as Maxwell’s field equations, magnetic theory,
wave propagation, etc. are as relevant as ever.

From the point of view of radio being the national hero that
had won us World War 2 in the 40’s, well it certainly doesn’t
have the same image as it once had.

But, neither do the writings of Shakespeare, the music of Gershwin,
or the architectural style of Frank Lloyd Wright.

But these great works (and inventions) will always be studied
for their cultural and scientific impacts, as well as to bring
an understanding to these concepts.

But here’s my angle on this discussion. I don’t think that it’s
as much of a question about Ham Radio relevance as much as it has
become a National/Corporate philosophical issue about what values
we as a society place on learning and the development of technology.

Learning is no longer held in the high esteem it once was.
“Eggheads” are poked fun at. Grade School Koreans can
factor polynomials while USA corporations are looking for
ways to leverage profits by farming out technical development
instead of fostering our domestic intelligence.

A large corporation can quickly swoop up a technology that
any one of us “commoners” were to “invent”
(as people had once done in the past).

If you had the funds to patent your idea, you’d have the “ticket”
to defend your patent in court and hire an expensive attorney.

Patent claim battles become a game of deep pockets that the
corporations can drag on until an individual is flat broke.

Woops .. I’m ranting ..

I guess that I’d say that Ham Radio would always be relevant as
long as one has the inclination to turn off the TV and has the
will to pick up a book and learn something :-)
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N5VEG on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Amateur radio is what we as license holders make it!

It's always been considered the "King of hobbies". I really don't think that it has changed very much from the old days. Matter of fact if anything it's BETTER! Just look at all the hardware and technology we have today at our disposal. Way more than our grandfather's had for sure. Countries that only had a handful of amateur stations in WWII now have thousands! Is amateur radio dying? No way Jose! Just go on the HF bands (if they are open) and you will hear the chatter of Morse and the CQ's of eager hobbyists trying to make that hallowed contact. Proof enough!

Amateur Radio LIVES! de N5VEG
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KJ4NGS on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
My rookie answers:

1. Why did you get your ticket?

Always wanted to as a kid, but then school, college, career, kids all got in the way ... last year it came to mind, so I took the QRZ tech test cold and did well enough to think this can't be too hard... and the Tech license wasn't. The Extra test, now that was harder...

2. What do you like about Amateur Radio?

Mostly the digital modes, from packet to PSK.

3. What don't you like about it?

What's not to like? We have unparalleled access to radio spectrum from 160m to daylight with very few rules on what we can do ...

Charles KJ4NGS
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by WB9QVR on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio is certainly relevant as a hobby. To put things in perspective here are some analogies:

One can buy fish at the local grocery superstore but people still enjoy fishing.

One can (or could) fly from New York to Paris in 90 minutes but people still enjoy sailing across the ocean.

One can travel well beyond the speed of sound but people still like to race automobiles at a fraction of that speed.

I work for an international firm and communicate with people in Asia and Europe on a daily basis. I know that I can pick up the phone or access the computer and have reliable, noise-free contact with those locations any time of the day or night. Yet when I turn on the HF rig and I can work distant stations with a piece of wire hanging from a tree I still get excited. Why? Because it's a challenge to do so under unpredictable conditions using a station that I selected and put together (at least on a macro level). That's what makes it fun - it's also what makes it a hobby.



 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K1JHS on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Great article and food for thought which I think was it's intended purpose. Ham Radio is relevant and will remain so for as long as the powers that be worldwide allow it to be. There are experiments every day done by hams everywhere. SDR is pushing some limits, new microprocessor powers available to laymen and scientists alike allow programmers to model experiments prior to actually building them. Ham radio sometimes creates the spark for someone as a youth to become a scientist and maybe invent some new compound that conducts electricity in new and mysterious ways

Remember that Tesla was (and by some still is) considered a nut and dangerous in his time, Einstein excentric and there are too many else to mention but all had roots in radio studies. One ham may have found a cure for cancer by using radio waves (SK).

Are we relevant, HECK YES!!! (sorry kid's)
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by G0GQK on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Is driving a car still relevant ? Is writing still relevant ? Is wearing clothes still relevant ? Is eating still relevant ? Is reading a newspaper still relevant ?
Is ham radio still relevant ?

That question is about as stupid as the ones I conjured up.

G0GQK
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W4MAL on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I dont know if ham radio is relevant to the masses anymore but it is relevant to me,and probably most if not all the hams out there. I am over 50 and have been licensed just a few years but I have been a swl since my youth and radio has never failed to amaze me.and I know that if for nothing else the magic of talking around the town or around the world will
always attract enough people to keep this hobby alive.
There will be new technologies, new modes and god know what else but there will always be something for everyone. So lets keep our chins up and just enjoy ourselves and the future will take care of itself.

73 see you on the bands
Mike

 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by VE3TMT on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio is getting to be a lot like NA$CAR = Too many commercials and not enough of the real deal
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K0DCH on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio is a hobby, much like sailing. People do it for the challenge of learning new skills, competition, or simply a diversion. No one that I know asks: "Is sailing relevant?"

(On the FCC side, the emergency communications aspect of ham radio justifies the existence of the amateur radio service. But that is another issue.)

If some bright kid is motivated to become a Nobel-prize winning physicist by starting out as a ham--great. If some fat guy has fun sitting in his Cleveland basement rag chewing with someone in Denver--that's great too.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KC6YFR on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I'd like to add my name to those who say it's relevant to several hundred thousand Hams. Just like other hobbies, a few die hards think their hobby is relevant for them and irrelevant to the majority.
While I'm at it Education has two problems. First, we have a parenting crisis and secondly, No Child Left Behind. Teachers have no control over either one of these realities.

73
Steve
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KF7GFL on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Of course ham radio is still relevant. Asking this question on this forum is like asking a bunch of fat guys at an all-you-can-eat buffet why they don't just eat a paste laced with the nutrients necessary to survive. Let's face it: we love ham radio or we wouldn't devote what spare time we have (when we are not on the air) to reading an article on the Internet about the relevance of ham radio. Don't get me wrong, it is a great article but it is also akin to a group of Hell's Angels bikers showing up at a PETA rally eating buckets of KFC and waiting for some twig-thin models and movie stars to pick a fight.

As someone who got his ticket within the past year, I would prefer to provide some insight as to my views on ham radio and why I bothered to spend time taking an embarrassingly easy series of exams (I wish my university professors had handed out the exam with correct answers while I was getting my Electrical Engineering degree).

First, I am a sailor. When hot-shot racers decide to sail from Los Angeles to Hawaii every other year, they discover that nobody wants to bring the boat back. That's when I get a call and get paid to spend 3 weeks bringing the boat back to the mainland. I also get an all-expense-paid trip to Hawaii. On the way home, there are two methods of communication: Marine SSB and sat phone. Both are incredibly useful. I got my ticket so that I could communicate with friends from shore while they sail back from the Islands on those years my work schedule won't allow me to participate.

Second, I had the unfortunate experience of being part of a search and rescue where ham radio wasn't used and should have been. My neighbor decided to go hiking alone one day and didn't return. I live in a neighborhood where everyone knows each other and was asked to go help look for him. People knew that I had grown up with a search and rescue dog and had the skills to be an asset in the search. After spending all day hiking to the top of a mountain, my partner and I discovered a set of tracks leading down the other side of the mountain. We followed them only to come to a gigantic cliff just as daylight disappeared. We were out in the middle of nowhere and cell phones didn't work. We were in a canyon and so a sat phone wouldn't have worked either (if we had one). However a 2-meter repeater placed at the top of that mountain would have allowed me to inform the rest of the search and rescue team that my buddy and I were perfectly happy spending the night on the mountain and we would resume our search in the morning. Instead, I had numerous people call my wife expressing concern that I hadn't returned and they feared the worse. I will never do another search and rescue operation without proper radio support and I'm sorry but that family radio crap just doesn't cut it.

As for what I like about ham radio, I like being able to communicate no matter where I am in the world. I could be in the middle of the ocean and still be able to talk to someone. I also can finally see a practical application for all that theory I learned in school. I wish I had discovered ham radio sooner as it would have given me a picture of the forest before I started learning about each individual tree.

As for what I don't like about ham radio, well it is all the old farts sitting around talking on the Internet about the good old days and how things have changed for the worse. Give me a freak'in break. I can't think of a bigger example of hypocrisy.

Matt
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KB9MWR on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
>Amateur radio is what we as license holders make it!

And some people are really experimenting and exploring technology without a license.

An example is the DIY Celltower that was discussed at a recent Defcon Conference.

http://openbts.sourceforge.net/

If only we could attract the people who listen to the tech-minded podcasts, like Binary Revolution, Hak5, and who read Make Magazine.... then ham radio might be lively once again by returning the emphasis on technical investigations.

This may all be a pipe dream unless each one of us make more of this hobby. Else it is and will continue to slide downward like W5HTW described.



 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K9MHZ on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Matt, it may seem that way, re: old farts sitting around, longing for the good old days, if you base your observations on eHam postings.

I can only relate to my little corner of the planet, but the "old farts" around here work on D-Star repeaters and nodes, do amateur radio astronomy, build SDR projects and write software for them, do high altitude amateur radio balloon launches, etc. I'm 50, and they're all older than me, and it's hard just keeping up with them and their activities. They're a blast to be around.

Lots of good guys in the hobby, of all ages.

Brad, K9MHZ
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W8KQE on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham Radio was certainly relevant after 9/11 happened, and main forms of communications were down.
 
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by N2UGB on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Does every endeavor have to be "relevant"?

Must every under-taking serve some useful purpose?

Must a stamp collector justify his pastime and prove it's worth to the rest of society? Or a bird-watcher, or amateur astronomer in his back-yard?

Why not enjoy these pleasant excursions, and that includes amateur radio, for the joy they bring to us as individuals and not necessarily to the general public.

 
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by KJ6AMF on August 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
1. Why did you get your ticket?

I am involved in another "fading, usless" hobby, rail fanning, i.e. watching trains. Many rail fans use VX-170 HTs to listen to railroad frequencies. Bought a HT from a local HRO and was talked into getting a tech license. I bought the ARRL tech study guide was fascinated by all the different facets of the hobby I read in the book and decided to study for General too. I got both licenses last summer.

2. What do you like about Amateur Radio?

I'm a scientist/computer programmer that designs commercial scientific instruments. I build a lot of stuff but none of it is for fun, none of it is for me to use. What I like about amateur radio is that a lot of the stuff you use you can build yourself. I built a remote auto-tuner controller. I'm building a pre-amp for my receive antenna. Next I'm going to build a RDF doppler system for foxhunting. Sure I could buy these things off the shelf but it's more fun and more satisfying to build it yourself. And to test it buy actually making contacts. And it's nice to get the bragging rights for your success.

3. What don't you like about it?

These aren't complaints about the hobby but rather things that I think make the hobby harder for the newcomer these days (at least these made my first attempts in HF very difficult):

CC&R's and HOA's
Sun spots (lack of)
Switching power supplies
BPL/Home PNA (internet in the ham bands)

Ray KJ6AMF
 
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by RADIOPATEL on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Questioner

Ham radio do not need me and you.
It requires only electromagnetic waves.
and may be little copper.

Ham radio shall always be relavant.
 
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by AB1HL on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
In response to K3AN's questions about rookies, what motivated me to get my license about three years ago was a project I had worked on that made heavy use of radio:

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/roofnet/doku.php?id=design

I'm primarily a programmer, and had only a shallow understanding of how radios worked; the project caused me to understand that there was a lot going on under the hood, and that it would be helpful for me to understand it. So I set out to try to understand digital modulation, which for me requires building something. I got a license as a way to force myself to learn and as an impetus to build something that I could use. What actually resulted was that I got sucked into CW DXing! But in the end I wrote my own sound-card RTTY and PSK31 demodulators, and learned a lot about the practical aspects of antennas, transmission lines, kit-building, &c.

One potential source of technically-minded amateurs is programmers like me. I know from experience that it's easy to get programmers pretty excited about radio. However, a big obstacle between that and getting them interested in ham radio is the ham radio world's fairly exclusive focus on electronics. If you look at typical projects in QST and the ARRL Handbook, even ones that involve software (and many do), the emphasis is rarely on the design of the software. You can find lots of circuit diagrams and discussions of how the circuits work in QST and in the Handbook, so that readers can understand and duplicate the projects, but you rarely find discussions the software design at a level which would allow interested readers to write similar software. Even in the Handbook's DSP and digital modulation chapters. Yet the technical guts of radio are moving steadily into software.

So it would be super to find a way to apply ham radio's excellent track record of education to the software aspects of radio. If I were a better person I would submit tutorial articles to QST about designing and implementing sound-card based demodulators. I know there is a lot of sophisticated software-based activity in the ham radio world (e.g. PowerSDR and WSJT), but this activity has a low profile in the public educational face of ham radio (i.e. ARRL publications). I think there's a large pool of potential hams who might respond to a call like "know how to program? let us teach you how to build serious radio systems".
 
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by K0RS on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
G0GQK wins the kewpie doll for seeing thru the idiocy of this post.

Perhaps the only thing more disturbing than the total vacuousness of the article is the number of respondents that actually take such nonsense seriously. "Nice prose." "Food for thought." Oh, please.

Can someone please explain to me why Amateur Radio operators are the only group of special interest enthusiasts that come with clinical paranoia preinstalled? Is it catching? Does it come with the license?

I know some people who build cars, hot rods, race cars, classic restorations. This hobby has been going on since the advent of internal combustion, but more specifically in present form since the end of World War 2. These are intelligent, talented folks. I have never known them to sit around the garage and agonize over the "relevancy" of what they do. They do what they do because they enjoy doing it. What could be simpler? If you brought this sort of nonsense up to them they would probably gag and spray beer in your face. Then they would throw you out in the alley on your arse.

C'mon people, get a life. Turn on the switch and enjoy amateur radio. If it's too much anxiety for you, sell the equipment, burn the license and take up macramé. Just stop wringing your hands over it.
 
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by WN9HJW on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
There seems to be an implicit assumption that somehow 'back in the day' the average ham was a technical genius and scientific innovator.

Hams might have been involved with a few inventions ove the past 100 years - but was it BECAUSE they were hams? Or was it because they were inventors, scientists, engineers, & entrepreneurs that also happened to be hams?

Plenty of people who were never hams invented plenty of stuff, too, so I don't see that ham radio was any kind of requirement to invent electronic gizmos.

I don't think being a ham ever had much to do with innovation after WWI. The typical hams have been technology followers, not leaders, at least since then.

What have hams really invented, just because they were hams?

I think what's happened is simply scientists, engineers, inventors and entrepreneurs innovate anyway, whether they're hams or not. A century ago, some of them happened to be hams. Today, not so many.


 
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by K4YRK on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
According to the latest number of hams, we are still adding more new hams than silent keys checking out.

The HF bands do seem to be less conjested today than 20 years ago, but poor band conditions may account for some of that.

Just speaking for myself with nearly 50 years as a ham, I still enjoy the hobby and have seen lots of growth in digital communications in the last 5 years.

73
K4YRK
 
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by NI0C on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
There's a lot of good replies posted here; I enjoyed ones by KA3NRX and K0RS the most. Well put, guys!

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
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by N7KFD on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I think the more "Relevant" question is "Are web sites like this one relevant?" Look at all the time (my own included) people spent commenting on this post instead of on the air.
 
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by KB2DHG on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
A very nice article.
Amateur Radio was always at the cutting edge of tech. It is still to this day very much a growing hobby. However I think the problem is with the people... It seems to me that people or should I say the younger generation is not interested in sceience or the arts... Also it is much more expensive today to experament at least I think so...
NO, I think there is still lots to explore in the radio art it is just that there are not enough people who care to.

There are too many other destractions these days for people to get interested in this hobby. My elmar once told me that he remembered when TV came into our homes. He thought that was going to be the end of Ham radio. So many hams purchased TVs and spent more time watching TV than going on the air...
Today with computers, cell phones, video games etc. Amateur Radio is almost a forgotten thing. Actually I often get comments from paople when I tell tham that i am a Ham Operator, stating that they eitehr never heard of it OR wow, do people still do that?

Bottom line, I love the hobby no matter what it involves or what you do with it, I think it is one of the most relaxing, rewarding and interesting hobbies out there.

 
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by KU2US on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Why does ham radio have to advance? Advance to what? A full featured all band 100w transciever the size of a pack of smokes with a nano mic implanted in your throat? Who needs this, the teckies? Leave it alone, its good the way it is. Who wants to be a ham operator with one of those earpieces stuck to the side of your head that look like a Borg implant. Ham radio is relevant for those who make it relevant. Why does ham radio have to go the way of the cell phone or those do everything thingy's? or ipods, or anything. It involves a radio-solid state or tubes. Put up an antenna, turn on the power and push the mic button or cw key. Why would anyone want anything else? Where is the enjoyment, the fun when you have micro circuits do everything for you? Now we have software defined rigs. What happens when they screw up?-you are screwed. Can most out there re-write software? Heck no. My point is this: the automobile. First in mass production by Ford. A basic frame, transmission and engine. Over the years they have been improved, but the basics are still there, a frame, a transmission and a engine, and will always be. Same with ham radio.
 
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by W5HTW on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
A good bit of the problem with amateur radio is we no longer know what it is. There was a time it was for the guy or gal who was interested in radio communications as an art form, an entertainment form. Today we have redefined it as emergency communicaions, or an ISP, or a hubby/wifey cell phone, and probably other things. We have defined it as an adjunct to the computer, not the other way around. We make the computer the center point, the focus, of a communications system, instead of the radio. We are shifting the radio to being a utility to support something else, instead of being the focus itself.

We have made it into something that is supposed to appeal to everyone, not just to the radio techie. We want to find a way to recruit everyone into amateur radio, so we have vastly broadened the definition.

AS to hams inventing things, it is true. But they did it almost always as an employee of a company, not in their garage at home. Hams have "adapted" things for ham use, but nearly all those marvelous inventions (not all, but most) were invented in company facilities while on company time, doing company projects. There are, of course, exceptions, but they are pretty rare.

AS to EMCOM, it is a toy today. It is someone's hope. There was definitely a time when hams were quite commonly on the front lines. However, if you look at public safety systems of the day, you see a very poor system, usually on 30-50 mhz, two channel at best, CB type whips on the vehicles.

Those systems are gone. Here in our rural and economically depressed county, we have mutiple repeaters, several of which have emergency power, up to ten channels, plus communications with highway departments, and other public safety organizations in the state. Ours is VHF (150 mhz) and works very, very well. Hams are not needed. The one time in the past three or four years when volunteers were needed, hams were asked to show up. But they were given FRS radios, and amateur radio wasn't used! They needed to communicate with non-hams. They did so, very well.

The truth is EMCOM (before that word was created) was a viable and valuable part of amateur radio, but that need has mostly evaporated. Sure, everyone brings up 9/11. So are they sitting there hoping for another 9/11 so they can be relevant? Of course not. What they don't want to realize is that was nine years ago! Things have changed. 9/11 taught is many lessons and we learned them well. Katrina taught a lot, too, and we learned those.

Yet, despite the fact EMCOM years ago was valuable, no ham in those days got into amateur radio to do emergency communications. He got into it because it was an interesting hobby, but when emergencies arose, he helped out. That, though, was not his goal. His goal was to have fun with radio.

We have let the focus shift to 'public service auxilliary,' and that just isn't where it should be. That has taken the 'ham radio' out of the hobby, and made it a quasi-government entity. Yet we continue to beg people to 'volunteer to serve your community.' I think it is the wrong approach.

The approach should be to show how much fun amateur radio is. Even though it is no longer a technical hobby, it still has many enjoyable aspects. Those are what we should be promoting.


Ed
 
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by QRZDXR2 on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Now if only a start up company would form that could build high quality transmitting tubes - that would be swell. I'll bet they can even make money in the process!
________________________________________________________

They can't the political dogs of business have what is called the environmentalist who are the dovermans of the money people that don't want us to make our own. Thus to make environmental laws to stop you from doing it.


Look lets get down to reality...

Love the article but its not saying much more than a dream sheet.

Indeed we had motovation from select people who were intelligent and DO'ERS. They had ideas and went after them. Today... well its all done for your.

Ok what you need to do is look back and see what ham radio did... list it on one side of the page... and what it is doing today on the other. sort of a THEN and NOW item sheet.

Such as: 1. built ham radio ----- buy manufactured radio.
2. Built antenna ---- buy manufactured antenna

some of these items were not on the market back then and are now so you may end up with two answers or more for each line item.
Some are educational. such as

A) go get handbook and learn electronics and how to build things. (now this is a vage example as back then you didn't just run out and buy a antenna.. you made it or elese due to econmics or just plain pride of developing your own system.

The old ARRL handbook was a all inclusive manual for hams. BIBLE. QST mag was the trade rag that had new HOW TO articles in it. )

A lot of hams learned from each other. They had clubs and meetings where one could gather and discuss or be trained in how to electronics and commucations/code . None of that exists pretty much today because of the lack of effort needed to promote it. (what friendship?) I am not saying clubs are not sprinkled around. Most are show and tell with little educational benifit from what I have seen. (tonight we have the antenna manufacture come and show his new wares off and offer a discount for buying it--)

So lets get back to basics and do the THEN-NOW sheet and see exactly what hams are or are doing today and I think we can see what has clearly changed in the hobby.
 
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by G3SEA on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

It's as relevant as just about any other hobby ;)

The average ham does not have the resources,equipment or time to make a breakthrough in some far out technological application.Incremental advances ? Yes !

Just enjoy the hobby it for what it is along with the gazillion other hams across the world in whatever mode interests you.

I'm sure there is an HT incorporating HF on a drawing board somewhere waiting for the sunspot peak. The Yaesu 817 is a good example of such an HT on steroids ;)

KH6/G3SEA
 
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by WI7B on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

Bob N4JTE,

I hear your dogs barkin'. So here's a few potential areas I see for radio amateurs making significant progress in the art:

(1) Propagation research and novel transmission modes (e.g., ionospheric; sub- and supra-ionospheric; surface and sub-surface both wet and dry)

(2) Application of amateur radio to the study of natural phenomena (e.g.,oceanography; geophysics; environmental)

(3) Small antenna HF communications (e.g., newly developed centimeter-sized antennas with upto 65% efficiency for ground propagation on 17 and 10 meters)

(3) Sub-miniature homebrew all-band amateur radios utilizing ultra-smal components (e.g., Johanson Technology)

Or, we could sit on the couch watching NASCAR...oh!, there's another left turn! :-)

73,

---* Ken
 
Nic pic of Pam  
by WB4M on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Got anymore? Is that a HF rig she's carrying?
 
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by AC5WO on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
In my opinion, Ham Radio falls a little short of the reasons for being listed in 97.1 Basis and Purpose. We need to work a little harder to be relevant enough to keep our spectrum.

We are valued for providing backup emergency communications capability with free labor and our own infrastructure, but we consume expensive radio spectrum to provide it. I worry a little that someone will figure out that the same free backup capability could be provided with half or less spectrum and that the free laborers are rather old and out of shape.

Most hams do nothing to advanced the radio art. When we build stuff, we're mostly scrounging through trailing edge surplus or making minor adaptations to existing antenna design. One cool exception is combining Software Defined Radio and a waterfall display to monitor chunks of spectrum for band activity. Can't buy that capability with the usual Japanese amateur radio equipment manufacturers.

Ham radio does provide a pool of skilled radio operators who can establish communications in difficult conditions. May not be advancing the radio art, but most hams could probably jury rig wire antennas and power from a car battery if they had to to get on the air.

Regarding enhancing international goodwill, it's probably a good thing that the 80 meter band is mostly a regional band.

http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2010/97/1/
The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an
amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the
following principles:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to
the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service,
particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules
which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and
technical phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio
service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance international goodwill.
 
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by K6CRC on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
It is a fun hobby, and provides a lot of friends and fellowship for many participants.

Is it relevant?

To the electronics industry, no.
To equipment manufactures, marginal.
To international relations, no.
To most young people, no.
To many emergency agencies, no.

But, does that really matter? I am fairly new to the hobby, and it is fun to tune the bands. I enjoy the technical challenges of getting on the air with my modest station, even if the technology used in my $100 Wifi router is significantly more advanced.

The only 'complaint' as such is the few real conversations I have had with those outside North America. 99% of the contacts are '5/9 73s'. Of the thousand qsos outside NA, I have had a decent conversation with a Russian college professor, and a couple with Australians. Many hams I have met say the same thing. Maybe it will change with the new SS cycle.

It seems that Ham Radio is a hobby in NA, as sport outside. That is a bit disappointing.
 
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by K0IC on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Good article.

The only constant is change for better or worse. I think the old ways can be kept up as long as the new ways do not prove the best overall. I do not see CW skill dying out as when bad comes to worse CW can work where other advanced systems are toast. It is just saving paperwork/tax dollars to not test CW these days. I wonder when we will have lifetime Amateur Radio licenses as they have in Sweden?
 
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by K0RS on August 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
You know, I was calling a DX station the other night in a pileup when I was seized, almost paralyzed, with the terrifying thought, "Is what I'm doing relevant? Is my station high tech enough? Could I design a new chip for the FTDX-9000? Did I pick up my polyester jumpsuit with the REACT patch from the cleaners? Have I paid my dues to part 97 this year?"

I was so taken aback at the implications that I almost missed the DX returning my call.

hee hee hee

Not.
 
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by WN9HJW on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Every transmission I make is 100% relevant to what I'm doing at that moment.
 
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by KC2CT on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I have read all the comments in this particular thread and I think that most of the posters are missing the mark. Ham Radio is about communications, whether it be via wireless or Internet/wireless combinations. The medium is not important.

As Humans we are "wired" to be social creatures; we want to tell our stories, our experiences, our successes, our failure to anyone who will listen. And guess what, our Brethen have the same needs.

Radio is a "funny" medium. You are either bitten by the bug or not. For me it was a pair of 27mhz Walkie-talkies in the early 60's. 35 years on, 2 wives later, I am STILL in love with radio.

I still enjoy the casual ragchew with another Ham whether he is in another town or country. I still enjoy the fervor of contesting. I still enjoy putting together an accessory that will enhance my operating. I still enjoy playing around with another digital mode. Hell, I still enjoy the occasional CW contact.

As Amateur Radio Operators, we are the TRUE Ambassadors of the world. Perhaps if there were more Amateurs the world would be a better place.

There are NO political or social boundaries for radio. Isn't it cool to find out that you have something in common with someone thousands of miles away? I have friends for many years who I have never met personally but talk to on a regular basis. With the Internet, we can now share photos and other things between us.

Closer to home, let's think about the Amateur Radio Service. In a natural or otherwise disaster the Amateur Radio service has time and time again helped. When the power goes out, what are the Twitter or Facebook friends going to do for help? Where will be IRLP or Echolink be. You already know the answer so I need not tell you.

The original poster asked if Amateur Radio was still relevent. Amateur Radio is an umbrella of many, many different and diverse hobbies. I would be quite sad to see our Service become defunct. However, given that we are all part of a "world-wide fraternity" I do not see the hobby ever ending.

73,

Jan - KC2CT/V2ILO
 
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by K8QV on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
KC2CT said:

"Ham Radio is about communications, whether it be via wireless or Internet/wireless combinations. The medium is not important."



That's like saying bicycling is about getting from one place to another and it doesn't matter if you use a motorcycle or a car, you can still call yourself a bicyclist because it's all about getting from point A to Point B.

Ham RADIO is about RADIO. The medium is important to the definition. COMMUNICATION hobbies include smoke signals, wired telegraph, telephones and chat rooms. Why not send smoke signals and call it ham radio, since it is communication?

Modern technology has surpassed ham radio in reliable communication, but amateur radio continues as an interesting hobby like bicycling and horseback riding, both of which have been surpassed as a means of transportation.
 
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by K9MHZ on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"At this rate we will be living thru avatars and visiting Pam on the beach between our feedings in the nursing home."


I'm good with that.

 
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by K4IQT on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, we are rearranging chairs on the Titanic, but we are mostly having fun doing it.

If you look at the technical side of our hobby, it seems that the last significant advances in technology made via ham radio occurred in the last century. What we have done since is adapt commercial technologies to our use, including the gazillion software-based digital modes in that definition. Apparently, building a new digital mode is today's version of building a new homebrew transmitter or receiver, which is seldom seen any more except in the QRP domain. The only area that seems to show any true innovation is that of SDR. But even there we are not trailblazing but only finding new ways to use commercially-developed computer technology.

Yes, ham radio is relevant to all of us who choose to be part of it and who may even enjoy it, including those many RST-name-QTH-rig.hr.is-73 QSO's. The ONLY part of the hobby that really worries me is that the vast majority of us are over 50 years old (note the great preponderance of gray and pink heads at any hamfest or club meeting. As the baby boomers and older generations fade away, it looks like the "pool of trained operators" is going to get a lot smaller.

When I was in high school around 1960, the number of hams in that school population was about 1 per hundred. Now it is perhaps 1 per thousand, since the magic of long-haul communications is pretty well passe to our youth. It reminds me of the QRO factions that put down QRP, saying "why struggle for a marginal QSO when you can go out and nail it with a kilowatt". Our kids (and grandkids) find it much easier to chat with buddies overseas via the Internet and cell phones, and don't see the value in what we do (at least until the magnitude 7+ earthquake takes out the networks).

The magic has moved on, but the crowd lingers ...

73,
Terry, K4IQT
 
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by K9MHZ on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>WB4M on August 17, 2010
Is that a HF rig she's carrying?<<<<

I think so. Looks like she's running a full gallon.

 
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by WI7B on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

OK, here's a specific example. The BP oil spill in the Gulf.

I bet you the only activities involving Amateur Radio was as a back-up Emcomm. Almost certainly.

However, if you looked to the use of HF in the oceanographic community, you find that they utilize HF to probe wave formation and height. In marine environmental studies, HF is used to probe contaminant levels.

But the Amateur operator who believes his link in the chain is solely to sit in an EOC and monitor 2m is forgetting the four other purposes of the service, and dooming it to oblivion. From the description of activity laid before us in the commentary of this article, I would say that the Amateur Radio Service does not does it utilized most of its spectrum allotment in the public interest.

73,

---* Ken

 
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by KE4DRN on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
hi,

Amateur Radio is very relevant in the past, present and the future!

Take a look at the Kanzius RF Therapy technology that was patented by the late John Kanzius, K3TUP.

An experimental cancer treatment that employs a combination of either gold or carbon nanoparticles and radio waves to heat and destroy cancer cells without damaging healthy cells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanzius_RF_Therapy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius

73 james
 
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by AA4PB on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know that because he happened to have a ham license means that ham radio should be credited with his development. His ham experience probably influenced his thinking, but I'm pretty sure the development was done in the commercial laboratory by engineers and technicians who may or may not have had ham licenses.

Yes, the ham experience can influence young people to go on and get an engineering degree and later devolop new technologies as part of an engineering team in a professional lab. The days of "joe ham" developing major advancements in his private garage shop are pretty much gone, I'm afraid.
 
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by KE4DRN on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
hi,

this article has additional info.

http://wedothatradio.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/31/

73 james
 
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by WI7B on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

"The days of "joe ham" developing major advancements in his private garage shop are pretty much gone, I'm afraid."

That's a damning statement for Amateur Radio. We should demand a re-write by the FCC of Title 47 CFR 97.1 if its true and eliminate most of it..along with our privileges on most bands. Do you really want to stand behind that slogan?

73,

---* Ken
 
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by N4JTE on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Before I fade off into the sunset and finish a 40 meter 4 square project, I want to thank all of the respondants to this article for their thoughts; good, bad or virulent. The 70 plus comments were enlightening and as such, demonstrated to me that the article served it's purpose.
Cu on 40.
Bob
 
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by KD4TOQ on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
One of the things that makes Ham radio relevant is during a disaster, many Hams can show up with everything they need to set up communications for several hours and in some cases a few days. They need nothing except a place to operate and food and water. They don't need power or fuel, they brought it all with them. It amazes me when people say "radio" is obsolete. Radio is here and going strong, everyone just calls it something else, you know, cell phones, wireless computers, TV, blackberrys, all forms of using RF to pass information or, "RADIO"
 
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by K8QV on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"It amazes me when people say "radio" is obsolete. Radio is here and going strong, everyone just calls it something else, you know, cell phones, wireless computers, TV, blackberrys, all forms of using RF to pass information or, "RADIO"



Uh, we were talking about amateur radio, hams with call signs and stuff.
 
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by K4KYV on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
We could probably count the number of "inventions" developed entirely by radio amateurs, operating on amateur frequencies, on one hand. OTOH, amateurs have been on the forefront of experimentation with new technology. Amateurs were experimenting with television in the 1930's, even though most of the research was being carried out RCA and other corporations.

Innovation has always been only one facet of amateur radio. Equally important, or perhaps more important, is self-instruction in the radio art. That makes "old" technology: HF antennas, analogue transmission modes and even vacuum tube circuitry still relevant in to-day's world. The experience we get from working with this technology lays a foundation for understanding the basic concepts upon which state-of-the-art technology was built.

I stumbled across a perfect analogy to this idea several years ago while enjoying a holiday on Cape Cod. It just so happened that a flotilla of "Tall Ships" passed through the Cape Cod Canal during my visit. Huge crowds had gathered from hundreds of miles away for the rare opportunity to view these ships.

Undoubtedly like many others, I had mistakenly thought these ships, which had come from countries all over the world, many of them replicas while a few were original old ships, were built and maintained by public agencies as museum pieces while others were toys belonging to wealthy private enthusiasts, and that they served only as very expensive show pieces akin to antique automobile collections on display.

It turns out that most of these ships were owned and maintained by navies of the countries of origin including the US Navy, and were regularly used for training purposes. Despite the high-tech naval vessels and weaponry of to-day including nuclear powered submarines, and satellite navigation and communication systems, navies the world over still include the fundamentals of wind-powered sailing as part of the basic training for officers. The theory is that the acquisition of navigation skills with sail ships will help the candidates more thoroughly grasp the fundamentals required to navigate a fleet of modern day vessels.

We could think of newly licensed amateurs who build and experiment with "old" and "obsolete" technology on the amateur bands as gaining fundamental experience using the "tall ships" of radio communication, laying the ground work for understanding the workings of 21st century communications techniques.

That said, however, "building" and "experimentation" must involve more than purchasing a transceiver, erecting a factory-built dipole, and pushing a microphone button. "Building" has to involve more than constructing an LED "On The Air" sign to hang over the operating desk. While many if most aspects of present day amateur radio activity may appear irrelevant in to-day's world, what it does offer, albeit to perhaps a small minority of participants, clearly tilts the "service" in the direction of "relevant".
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K4KYV on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
We could probably count the number of "inventions" developed entirely by radio amateurs, operating on amateur frequencies, on one hand. OTOH, amateurs have been on the forefront of experimentation with new technology. Amateurs were experimenting with television in the 1930's, even though most of the research was being carried out RCA and other corporations.

Innovation has always been only one facet of amateur radio. Equally important, or perhaps more important, is self-instruction in the radio art. That makes "old" technology: HF antennas, analogue transmission modes and even vacuum tube circuitry still relevant in to-day's world. The experience we get from working with this technology lays a foundation for understanding the basic concepts upon which state-of-the-art technology was built.

I stumbled across a perfect analogy to this idea several years ago while enjoying a holiday on Cape Cod. It just so happened that a flotilla of "Tall Ships" passed through the Cape Cod Canal during my visit. Huge crowds had gathered from hundreds of miles away for the rare opportunity to view these ships.

Undoubtedly like many others, I had mistakenly thought these ships, which had come from countries all over the world, many of them replicas while a few were original old ships, were built and maintained by public agencies as museum pieces while others were toys belonging to wealthy private enthusiasts, and that they served only as very expensive show pieces akin to antique automobile collections on display.

It turns out that most of these ships were owned and maintained by navies of the countries of origin including the US Navy, and were regularly used for training purposes. Despite the high-tech naval vessels and weaponry of to-day including nuclear powered submarines, and satellite navigation and communication systems, navies the world over still include the fundamentals of wind-powered sailing as part of the basic training for officers. The theory is that the acquisition of navigation skills with sail ships will help the candidates more thoroughly grasp the fundamentals required to navigate a fleet of modern day vessels.

We could think of newly licensed amateurs who build and experiment with "old" and "obsolete" technology on the amateur bands as gaining fundamental experience using the "tall ships" of radio communication, laying the ground work for understanding the workings of 21st century communications techniques.

That said, however, "building" and "experimentation" must involve more than purchasing a transceiver, erecting a factory-built dipole, and pushing a microphone button. "Building" has to involve more than constructing an LED "On The Air" sign to hang over the operating desk. While many if most aspects of present day amateur radio activity may appear irrelevant in to-day's world, what it does offer, albeit to perhaps a small minority of participants, clearly tilts the "service" in the direction of "relevant".
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KG6MZS on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
K3AN Asked on August 16, 2010
>>>>I'd love for "rookies," those licensed less than five years, to enlighten us old-timers by answering three questions.

1. Why did you get your ticket?
2. What do you like about Amateur Radio?
3. What don't you like about it? <<<<

1. Ultimately sheer curiosity about a large number of intriguing mysteries I perceived before me. What were those mysterious sounds emanating from that cryptic machine on the desk? Lightning bolts on Jupiter? Spies? Gun-runners? Spacecraft? Listening was fascinating and compelled me to wonder... and find out. The more I learned, the more I wanted to learn.

2. That would be hard to list briefly but I will say that I don't think that innovation in radio technology is all there is to it by a long, long shot. I am a graphic artist and when was going to school I thought I was leaning a bunch of useless stuff for my career in art. Stuff like math, algebra, geometry and the like. As it turns out so much of what I thought would be useless at the time turned out to be utterly invaluable. For one, few saw how important the computer was going to become in commercial art. I use math, algebra and geometry every day. The point is that I think learning is always advantageous - often in unforeseen ways. I am studying for extra now. I'm sure the value of the stuff I am learning will benefit me in ways that I cannot foresee. Even if I never make a cutting edge contribution to radio technology, who's to say what part my learning will play in whatever else I do in life? Setting up an HF station and designing various antennae systems has been a lot of fun because it begins to satisfy my general curiosity about the mysteries I perceive. I see this to be of great value.

There are so many ancillary benefits. Stuff like fellowship and camaraderie, relaxation, mastering a subject that isn't a natural aptitude, independence from the telecommunications and electrical grid... it goes on and on and on....

3. Pointless and unproductive to dwell upon, IMO.

Another country heard from.

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AI2IA on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Shame on all of you. Don't you realize how many times this threadbare old topic has been hung out on eHam.net as bait?

This one is worse than, "Why did the chicken cross the road?"

There have got to be better ways to drum up participation than this ancient provocation.

If not, then stick to the ARRL web site.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by STRAIGHTKEY on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
>>Now if only a start up company would form that could build high quality transmitting tubes - that would be swell. I'll bet they can even make money in the process!

>They can't the political dogs of business have what is called the environmentalist who are the dovermans of the money people that don't want us to make our own. Thus to make environmental laws to stop you from doing it.

Environmental laws are the reason we don't have new companies making vacuum tubes? What have you been smoking? Ever think it's because it's not 1950?
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by STRAIGHTKEY on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Are fan dipoles still relevant?
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KG6MZS on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
AI2IA Wrote:

"Shame on all of you..."

Gotta love the irony of *that* post!

73 de Eric, KG6MZS
 
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by K9MHZ on August 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by K8QV on August 19, 2010
Uh, we were talking about amateur radio, hams with call signs and stuff.<<<<


<LOL> Best post on this whole thread!

 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by WI7B on August 20, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

>>>>by K8QV on August 19, 2010
Uh, we were talking about amateur radio, hams with call signs and stuff.<<<<

Got to agree, this is the best post!

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W8AAZ on August 20, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I believe the reason that we question relevency and such as compared to collectors, bird watchers, etc. is the fact that our medium, our main resource, the frequency spectrum, is a desireable commodity in the world and the decline of our hobby might not be so much from the competing technologies abilities, as much as its demands for RF spectrum. Well you can always fall back on 27 MHz piracy, that seems to be something that no government can tame in the more or less free world. And does anyone get GMRS licenses anymore? I see you can buy high powered HTs for GMRS for 18$ a pair(not just fmrs!) and doubt many submit to the gov't on those anymore.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W9OY on August 20, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Is Pam Anderson a silicon based technology?

73 W9OY
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KC8VWM on August 20, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Why must we focus on non issues such as Pam Anderson silicon technology?

Clearly, this is a distraction to the main issue at hand.

That is, if such issue is in fact at hand.

Which I openely admit, if this were the subject at hand, it would be kinda nice.



 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N2EY on August 21, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
N4JTE writes: "it seems to me that Ham radio has stagnated and not kept up with its pioneering history of innovation and cutting edge technology."

I think there's a basic misunderstanding about our history there.

Once in a great while, a few amateurs have been on the "cutting edge" of radio. Usually they were doing something that had no apparent commercial or practical application. Sometimes they were simply the first to try something because they were working in a brand-new field.

For example, amateurs pioneered the short-waves in the early 1920s because they had no other choice - they couldn't use longer waves, better receivers or higher power. W9GFZ pioneered radio astronomy because he was interested in what the strange noises were. The single-crystal filter for receivers and the noise blanker were developed by Jim Lamb in the ARRL lab for better reception of amateur signals at less cost.

But such pioneering has always been few and far between. Most amateurs don't have the time, resources, or interest, compared to the commercial folks.

What hams *have* done a lot is to find less-expensive and less-complex ways of doing things with available resources. PSK31, for example, was developed as a simple but high-performance "keyboard mode" that didn't require a lot of special hardware if you already had a PC.

What ham radio is really all about, and has always been about, is "radio for its own sake". The journey more than the destination; the experience more than the result.

It's the difference between riding an airliner from Point A to Point B and piloting your own plane between the same two points. In most cases the airline ride will be faster, cheaper, and requires almost no skill or knowledge on your part. Piloting your own plane requires training, skill, planning, knowledge, and effort. In both cases you would be "flying". But the experience is completely different.

If all you want to do is get from A to B in the least amount of time, riding an airliner is the fastest way if the two points are more than a certain number of miles apart. With some judicious ticket-shopping, it may even be the cheapest.

But is it the best way? That depends on your goal/

N4JTE: "What would be cool from my limited perspective would be an HF radio with a self contained power source that transmits 100 watts and weighs the same as a laptop."

There are lots of very compact rigs that will do 100 watts and don't weigh much. Look at the Yaesu FT-897 and the Elecraft K2/100 for starters.

The problem is a power source that can produce the needed ~200 watts in a small and light package. Which is a chemistry/physics problem, because energy storage density is the challenge. It's not a radio problem. It's the reason we don't have more electric cars.

N4JTE: "It would be enlightening to know what others would like to see on the Ham market in the near future."

What I'd like to see is more simple, low-cost stuff that the average amateur can assemble and use with simple tools. Elecraft and others are leading the way on this, but there's a lot more that could be done.

For example:

- A remote ATU kit for verticals, random wires, etc.
- A truly balanced ATU kit
- A modular HF transceiver kit with nice big controls and displays. Customizable for your particular needs.
- An antenna analyzer kit that didn't cost the earth
- A line of power supply kits designed for amateur rigs
- Simple low cost rig kits that aren't QRP.

That's just the start.

N4JTE: "I am sure that there are many ways for Ham radio to regain its promise and it’s lead in cutting edge technology envisioned by those pioneers over 50 years ago."

I suggest you look more closely at the history.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5HTW on August 21, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an
amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the
following principles:

Let's take a look!

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service,
particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

We play at that one a lot. But the fact is we aren't needed. We practice and drill for The Big One, or even The Little One, but it doesn't come. So we shove the HT into the drawer and hope for at least a minor disaster. Of course, the truth is public safety agencies don't want us. Why can't we understand that? They don't want us. Hospitals do, it seems, as we are a free alternative form of conduction hospital business. But no one else wants us and more than that, they don't need us!



(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

Not at all true. We don't do that. Probably 85 percent of the active amateurs just get on 20 meters and chase DX. If their license permits, that is. If not they get on two meters and practice saving the world Virtually NONE of the recent (last 50 years) innovations in communications have been created by hams who were not doing so as part of a company.



(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.

We don't come close. We are no longer a technical, nor even a semi-technical hobby. The extent of the knowledge of about half the active hams is how to get on a web site like this one.



(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

Not even close. We don't have any "electronics experts." Of course, if you define those experts as knowing how to plug in a USB cable, or swap out a PC board, then yeah, I guess so. We are not trained operators, either, because more and more we have wandered very far away from any sort of SOP, and it is a "I'll do it my way" hobby. After all, it IS a hobby. SOP not needed.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.


Yep. "GXA8PP, you're five nine, QSL, 73 QRZ?"

"Whaddya mean I'm five nine and you can't copy my call sign?"

"Hey, get off my frequency. I'm working XRT5HH. Get the &^@%#( outta here.."


Lots of good will

Ed
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KG4TKC on August 21, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
N2EY,

Just wanted to say I enjoyed reading your wish list for new kits/products for amateur radio. I would love to see and be able to get some of those kits myself.

And yes,amateur radio is still relevant.

73, KG4TKC
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by WN3R on August 22, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Sure it is. Why is this any different than the comparison between other old and new technologies?

Many of the old technologies below are still here:
Bow and Arrow (new: gun)
Sail boats (new: power boat)
Row boats (new: power boat)
Radio (new: television)
Horses (new: car)
Painting (new: photography)
Tubes (new: transistors)
Maps (new: GPS navagation)
35mm movie film (new: digital)

Old stuff really gone or almost gone:
8-track tapes
ice boxes
wire recorders
telegraph
VHS
Beta
Still Film cameras
8mm movie
Floppy disks

As long as we continue to enjoy our hobby, it will last. See article below

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/art_life/display_horizon.htm?storyID=108831

73, Dick, Wn3R




 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N5RO on August 22, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
K1JCS is right.
As a middle school ham radio club sponsor and substitute teacher in our district, I've tried to get the science teachers to give extra credit to kids that get their licenses - to no avail. We started this club to get kids excited about science and technology but the school system is more interested in promoting sports than education (to attract more kids and get more money from the state) and the teachers seem more interested in having their union get them more benefits and pay. No Child Left Behind seems to be a way to lower standards to make sure all can pass.
Science courses, though somewhat inclusive of a minimal amount of physical sciences, are mostly geared to environmental science. Physical science courses, once mandatory in high school are now electives.
Hams are partly to blame too - getting our local club members (150 members - many retired) to help teach youngsters amateur radio is pretty much impossible with the exception of one person in the club. Hams want young people to help fill the ranks but want someone else to do it.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W7AIT on August 22, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio and Part 97 are doing just fine, thank you.

If all you “doom and gloomers” and “chicken little’s” would just read the purpose of part 97, you’d quit the incessant asking of the same old doom and gloom and chicken little questions.

According to Part 97, Ham radio is to provide a pool of electronics experts. Its has always done that, it continues to do that, and will always do that until abolished by FCC or Congress. It does it all quite nicely, thank you. IT WORKS!

So please sit down and shut up!

What part 97 is moot on BY DESIGN, is:
1. What is to be learned or taught
2. How its supposed to be taught
3. Who its supposed to be taught to
4. Who will teach it

By being moot on that by design, all you Incentive Licensing fools, guys that demand a college EE degree for a ham license, and CW nuts, need to also need to sit down and shut up.

Whine, whine, whine, moan and complain.

Those that WANT to learn will do so. Those that don’t won’t. Those that only want to learn a little bit will learn only a little bit. Those who want to get a PHD in Ham will get their PHD in ham.

Part 97 works and will continue to work.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N2EY on August 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
How about this:

In QST for September 2010, there's a story about PBH-8, (Project Blue Horizon, 8th flight) a high-altitude unmanned balloon carrying Amateur Radio. It traveled 1162 miles over 33 hours (and could have gone farther, but the ground had to terminate the flight to avoid airline routes). PBH-9, a followup flight, traveled 3127 miles.

PBH-8 carried APRS, a VHF/UHF repeater, GPS, and both VHF and HF command and control. The HF command-and-control rig was a Rock Mite on 30 meters, and the mode was Morse Code.

Project Blue Horizon has set a record for an Amateur Radio carrying balloon, (over 125,000 feet). In the past 3 years the project has licensed 28 new hams. The project is part of getting a Master's degree in Systems Engineering from Cornell.

Not too shabby....

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5ESE on August 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
W5HTW:

> Virtually NONE of the recent (last 50 years)
> innovations in communications have been created
> by hams who were not doing so as part of a
> company.

What does it matter if technical contributions were
made by radio amateurs through the conduit of a
company?

In some cases, companies were launched by technically
astute folks who got their start as kids dabbling
in amateur radio. Some of these firms have become
among the most influential in the world.

Read this biography of Dave Packard (one of the
two founders of Hewlett-Packard):

www.smecc.org/hewlett-packard,_the_early_years.htm

By the time Dave enrolled in high school, he had become actively involved in amateur radio and had a ham license, 9DRV. In those early days he used Tuned Grid - Tuned Plate oscillators and Hartley oscillators. Later on he had crystal controlled transmitters, which provided greater frequency stability. The power supply for transmitters in those days utilized electrolytic rectifiers to change the alternating current into direct current. Since the large value filter capacitors that we now use in power supplies were not available, this caused a very large AC component to exist in the power supply voltage. The result? Really raspy signals being sent into the air! During his high school years, Dave stayed quite active in amateur radio and that of course whetted his appetite to learn more about radio and electronics in his future.

---------------------------------------------------

or Jack Kilby; the man who invented the integrated
circuit (and an early TI employee):

http://www.jackkilby.com/article2.html

Following the blizzard, Jack Kilby built his own ham radio set, and became hooked on electronics. In addition to Evans, Kilby mentioned Charles Larkin and Charley Girton as local ham radio operators who helped him learn the tricks of the trade.

(Jack was W9GTY).


There have been others, of course; Arthur Collins,
Karl Hassel and Ralph Mathews (who founded Zenith),
and others.

73
Scott W5ESE

 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N1RKT on August 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Well written and to the point. This is the same thing I have been saying right along myself. I still enjoy the technical end of design and repair of things that can NOT be fixed or will NOT work. Fifty years ago a man took pride in his ideas and designs but today the mindset has changed. No longer are people recognized by there ability or creative mind, they are recognized by how much money they can make. This leads to greed and then comes big business. In other words a young ham comes up with a novel idea but in todays disposable culture he can not get the materials needed to build it with ease, so the idea gets kicks around until one of the big boys gets it and makes a killing on it. The ham or ham community can not get credit for it even though it was developed here. What ever happened to the Allied Radio or Radio Shack store around the corner when you needed a component, they are gone or not selling the components any more. That's not good for business in a disposable world. I think the only way we can make a true technical impact today is to keep the equipment of yesterday alive and stop supporting the big boys with there disposable radios. Yep the bells and whistles are great, out of the box set up and ready to go. But when it fails to work how many of the hams out here today are capable of repairing it. Lets be self sufficient and stick to the old school. Just my two cents.

'73 Tracy N1RKT
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AE6RO on August 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
One thing that no-one has addressed is the elephant in the refrigerator: the non-appearance of Solar Cycle 24. Just when it seems to be getting going it fizzles out again.

Pretty hard to bounce a signal off an ice-cold ionosphere.

To make it even more interesting, the Earth is entering a photon belt that stretches across the Milky Way. The Mayans called it "The Dark Road" or "Road to the Underworld".

This will generate a ton of celestial noise rendering HF radio pretty useless. It won't matter if you are using a Swan 240, a Yaekencom Whaatever 5000, or a spark transmitter and coherer. You won't be able to hear anything.

And the tweeter twits will be S.O.L. also when those photons bash the satellites that carry their drivel.

Those so-called "smart meters" which tell the electric company how much electricity you use ( in case one has branched out from ham radio to Chronic cultivation) every nine minutes generate lots of noise too. How come I have to have one when my neighbor doesn't?! To be fair, the noise was worst on a portable radio in the backyard, but not too bad on my antique AC AM radio (grounded).

By December 21, 2012 there will be lots of fun technical challenges we can import foreign engineers to solve, since our homegrown variety is so dumb!

73 and lottsa luck! John Morales
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K8QV on August 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"By December 21, 2012 there will be lots of fun technical challenges we can import foreign engineers to solve, since our homegrown variety is so dumb!"



No one said our engineers are dumb. It's just that most hams don't happen to be engineers.

Speaking of dumb, 2012? Mayans? Seriously???
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N9AMI on August 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant? HELL NO
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AE6RO on August 24, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
K8QV: American engineers confuse reality with virtual reality. In other words, we are mostly software engineers playing computer games. Don't know what a soldering iron is for. Or Ohm's law. The smart money is in Indian or Chinese engineers nowadays.

As far as 2012, yes, quite serious. Solar Cycle 24 pretty much says it all. 73, John
 
A "Photon Belt"  
by K5XS on August 24, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Oh good grief. There is no scientific evidence whatever of a "photon belt."
 
A "Photon Belt"  
by K5XS on August 24, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Oh good grief. There is no scientific evidence whatever of a "photon belt."
 
RE: A "Photon Belt"  
by AE6RO on August 24, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, darn. And I call myself a ham... The photon belt is supposed to stretch from the Pleides constellation. It will get longer and stronger as we get closer to 2012. John
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KG6MZS on August 25, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
WN3R wrote:
"Old stuff really gone or almost gone: "

You forgot one of the most drastic examples:

The typewriter.

73 de Eric, KG6MZS
 
RE: A "Photon Belt"  
by K5XS on August 25, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
John,

It doesn't exist.
 
RE: A "Photon Belt"  
by AE6RO on August 25, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Sure it does. I do so have a typewriter. John
 
RE: A "Photon Belt"  
by AE6RO on August 25, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, wait. Did you mean the "photon belt" doesn't exist? A stream of light particles coming from God-knows-where and going to God-knows-where-else? THAT photon belt? According to a certain well-known author, the reincarnation of a Mayan king is supposed to help mobilize it. It must be "out there" somewhere.
John
 
RE: A "Photon Belt"  
by AE6RO on August 25, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Don't worry. I have no intention of spreading the truth around. They don't deserve it. 73, General, John
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K5JZ on August 26, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
As long as I draw a breath, Ham Radio is relevant. After Katrina, it was the government's (and the people's) only way to communicate for two weeks. Ask those in power along the Coast if Ham Radio is relevant. How would I have made truly close family friends from all over the world... people that I travel to visit with and share time with... if not for the love of DX? In 2012, I will celebrate 40 years in Ham Radio... relevant??? It's a HUGE part of who I am!

73,
George K5JZ
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AE6RO on August 26, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I think it's relevant. The trouble is, the kiddies (under 30s,hi) with their tweetles and Crackberries can do lots of stuff that ham radio never could. Without a license yet. On the other hands, there is no way anyone is going to build their own Crackberry.

I like to think that ham radio will become more relevant in 2012. 73, John
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K9MHZ on August 26, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Another perspective.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVlvciPZx4&feature=related
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by WA2CWS on August 27, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I am not a new licensee but I would like to ocmment:

1. Why did you get your ticket?
I got mine when I was a freshman in high school in 1971.

2. What do you like about Amateur Radio?
My father was an Engineer at Bell Labs and I was fascinated with electronics and the idea that I could talk to people all over the world. I built my own equipment and simple things like QSL cards and international reply coupons excited me.

3. What don't you like about it?
I drifted away like most people because of college and work and life getting in the way. I got back to it 2 years ago, did some Dx, even a satellite QSO, but being away from it, then coming back to it was a shock.

People were rude. I mean really rude. I was scanning 75 meters and heard someone using abusive language and profanity, almost begging the FCC to hunt him down.

There were articles, even here on eham about Dx stations keeping your money and not sending QSLs.

The one that made me turn it off and sell my equipment was when the ARRL allowed some loser to write in QST that they thought Hams were getting too fat. I am overweight. I have been my whole life. That didn't stop me from being an EMT, saving lives, being a productive member of society and professional.

I was attracted to Ham radio because you were judged on your voice and professionalism, not your appearance. Now this guy wanted to reach into your shack and put physical requirements on it as well.

ARRL did not screen the submitter, they admitted they could not find his real address, yet they published his comment and there was no way to reply to him.

Professionalism is dying. An organization based on appearance will go the way of beauty pageants.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by AE6RO on August 27, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Uncle Felix ....
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W7LV on August 27, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Still relevant (my least favorite term from the 60's), but the degree is dependent upon the individual.

Ham radio is no longer mysterious/fashionable or "sexy" to the uninitiated.

I have the experience now, over 60 and 40+ years a ham, of listening to someone calling, "CQ" on HF and wondering just how boring or uninformed or deluded he/she will be, should I reply and make a QSO. When one is over 60, Time is Short, and I'd prefer to not waste mine hearing (yet again) how ham radio or America has gone to the dogs since (fill in the blank).

Hams are made, not born, and it seems that they're best made among 9-12 year-olds, when you capture their interest before hormones vie for their attention.

My grounding in radio communications, garnered from ham radio, has been responsible for two decades of a career which paid handsomely.

But I often question if it was worth it. Would my time have been better spent learning to farm, for instance?

In the final analysis, ham radio, like a spring day, is what you and only you make of it.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N4JTE on August 27, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Again; I thank all of you that took the time to respond and give your thoughts on the premise of the article. I am happy that at least 95% of the responders understood my effort to generate some well thought out responses and offer some thoughts on Ham radio; Then, Now and the Future.

Thank you.
Bob, N4JTE
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W3AGT on August 30, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC is reporting an 8% increase in new HAM operator licenses over this time last year.

I think people see HAM radio as both a fun thing and an alternative (to cell phones, the internet & land lines) communications resource in the event of an emergency.
 
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by KD7OQC on August 30, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
In a word. Yes. Those of you who have been hams for the past 30+ years, have technologically and legislatively expanded amateur radio into a rich and diverse hobby. You have protected bands and bandwidth for experimental use, and you have added numerous new technologies (digital, satellite, internet) to the RF paradigm, and I believe we probably get more performance for the dollar than ever.

Relevance is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know if we have more people joining the hobby than in years past or not. As far as I can tell, amateur radio has a always been a niche, but as the hobby grows and integrates new technologies it will continue to be relevant. I've spoken to two fifteen year olds in our town who just got their tickets. One was talking on a 20 year old hand-me-down HT from his uncle pushing about 3-1/2 watts. While we were talking he was switching back and forth from a hand mic to the built in mic while he fixed the hand mic. The other was coaxed into getting his license by his dad, but now that he has it, he has been enjoying 2 meters and has expressed interest in talking to people "farther away" so he will be studying for his general next summer.

Some people still want to tinker and experiment. To use an analogy, as a skilled woodsman will want to know how to start a fire without matches, some people enter amateur radio because they actually want to build their own rigs. Amateur radio is an ideal vehicle for understanding electronic theory. Some want to test their understanding of RF theory through personal experimentation with propagation and talk to people overseas that they may never have a chance to meet otherwise! Sure they will eventually buy a multi-band transceiver with a DSP, but if you want to "make fire," ham radio offers more electronic related documentation and personal support than any other hobby around.

The ham community has shown a lot of good will and patience to me from the time I got my ticket 8 or so years ago to the present. In today's fragmented society that is worth a lot. As long as we welcome new licensees, we will have a better chance of them having a positive and "successful" experience in amateur radio and making our hobby their hobby.

So I think as long as we continue to innovate, protect ourselves legislatively and are friendly to new comers, the hobby will continue with the next generation.

73's Mike
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KC2RSP on September 1, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Its a lost cause in America.

It seems that the population of current ham radio operators is getting older and older. Also the mentality of these men are often towards excess white pride, hence, driving away most youths or even older hams that are not white. I've even seen QRZ celebrated shacks with confederate flags all over the walls. Often heard non white users of repeaters driven off by innuendoes of racial humiliation as well as down right mockery under disguised voices. Even repeater monitors would strategize a plan of attack on non white members after checking out their last names on QRZ.

In 20 years the US population of hams will be either barely alive or run by supremacists.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant? No...  
by K4RAF on September 2, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
In the scheme of technology, not really relevant at all these days.

I had to laugh at the picture of routers & wireless cards. I deal with that stuff everyday for the last 5 years. I use stuff like that on 900MHz, 2.4 & 5Ghz to deliver internet to people who are not licensed & never will be. While we technically "share" those bands, the word doesn't really apply. There is no amateur activity on 802.11, so sharing is really surrender in amateur radio's case. No one has ever proposed using it for ham radio, because the laws prevent it from being used. No one has offered to open up 802.11 for amateur use, since most would rather argue over what is legal that use what is ours.

It works great for streaming video & VoIP. Most everything 802.11 is 12VDC powered. I even developed a mobile platform that took 900MHz connectivity [yagi pointed to site] & crossed it over to 2.4 & 5Ghz access, including a camera feed, powered by a solar panel.

Would I put my callsign on it & push the envelope?

NEVER... I would not bother for fear of having some busy body ham argue that it was illegal. No sense in it when I can use SSIDs that blend into millions of other unlicensed users.

A neat 802.11 application would be to report APRS via wifi [802.11G/N] but that is even impossible under digital rules written in 1970 & NEVER REVISED... Packet AX.25 is all we have to "offer" & it is over 20 years old... YAWN!!!

Get the point?

73 de Raf
wifidx@gmail.com
PS: The only nationwide wifi roaming network is "Linksys". I know that from 5+ years of using NetStumbler & GPS to map 802.11 Access Points as I drive, then displaying them on Google Earth. You can see what I am speaking of by looking up my profile on QRZ.com : )
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5HTW on September 4, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
<<RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant? Reply
by W5ESE on August 23, 2010
W5HTW:

> Virtually NONE of the recent (last 50 years)
> innovations in communications have been created
> by hams who were not doing so as part of a
> company.

What does it matter if technical contributions were
made by radio amateurs through the conduit of a
company?

In some cases, companies were launched by technically
astute folks who got their start as kids dabbling
in amateur radio. Some of these firms have become
among the most influential in the world.

Read this biography of Dave Packard (one of the
two founders of Hewlett-Packard): .... >>
...
There are not just a handful, but hundreds of thousands of people working in labs, and in companies (such as Sandia, Bell Labs, GE, TI, Caltech, and thousands more) who are creating or innovating things every day. The vast majority are not hams, but do this for a living. It is their job. If ten or twenty of them are hams, that doesn't imply in any way, that hams are creating our technology. It is probably (my figures) created by 99.98 percent non-hams, in non-ham settings.

Most often, in a lab or scientific setting, the fact that a person is a ham is not relevant, and may not even be known by boss and/or co-workers. He is an employee. His hobby away from work is his business, whether it is ham radio or fishing.

Amateur radio is relevant to being a hobby. It is not (though it once was) relevant to advancing technology. That is done by corporations spending millions of dollars, using very sophisticated equipment. We tend to highly over-value ourselves, blowing as hard as we can on our little toot horn.

But -- AS HAMS -- we create very little. innovate very little. We may do it as employees, but that is not relevant to amateur radio.

Certainly amateur radio started me down a very long electronics career. Yet in that career, amateur radio played no role whatsoever. I did ham radio off duty, not on duty. And that was a long time ago. The technical world is not the same today.

Far too many of us see amateur radio for the many things it is not, and we refuse to see it for the one good thing it is, and that is a delightful and fun hobby.

I have no idea why that is.

Ed


 
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by WA9PIE on September 5, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
*********
Anyone who can work Pamela Anderson into a ham radio article is my hero (she's my designated freebee). Nice way to celebrate advances in silicon technologies.

I agree with the point that technology (certainly, electronics) has moved beyond component level design for most folks and is down to applied sciences - which generally rendered the (now old-fashioned) connection to computer sound cards.

Should we continue to enjoy it as a hobby? Sure! But one only has to look to what happened to CB radio to see a potential glimpse into our future. Do you watch truckers these days? Okay, maybe even tune the IC-706MkIIG to CB channel 19 every now and then to see what traffic hazzard has you at a complete stop? They don't use CB radio as much anymore. They're on their bluetooth headset with their cell phones talking to wives, family, friends, mistresses... and so on. CB radio has lost relevance as a hobby and lost utility for truckers. The craze that began with "Smokey and the Bandit" has fizzled and faded like those fizzy drinks that we all had as a kid. (For the record, I was never a CB-er).

But in order for ham radio to continue to be relevant in the innovation of new technology (or even innovations in the uses of current technologies), we need younger hams. Several have pointed this out. But we should define ham radio through the eyes of our children, rather than through our own experiences. (My wife and three kids are all hams; the kids all got licesed by the time they turned 11 yrs old. So I'm doing what I can.)

For most of you who responded and said that "ham radio is still relevant", I'm assuming you're saying that it's relevant to YOU. A better question might be - is it relevant to our children.

In case you haven't noticed, kids have moved beyond computers and email now. They've gone beyond instant messaging. It's no longer MySpace. And the cell phone text messages aren't long for this world. Tons of kids - adults too - are on to iPads and Android phones. They'll use them in ways we've never dreamed. When I entered the workforce, I used a computer - my boss had a secretary that typed inter-office memos on a type-writer. Kids who join the workforce today find they're working for me - who learned on a computer... but their future probably involves something beyond a computer in the workplace.

But for all the buzz that's almost faded about text messaging, it's amazed me that HT manufacturers are still making HTs in the same basic form factor that they made them in when the 3-watt bag phone was popular. Really? They really need to be thinking about changing the whole form factor to get rid of the external antenna and come up with a better UI - seriously. (For kids, antennas on phones aren't cool... you can't find one on an iPad either.) Perhaps kids would have been attracted to ham radio if HT manufacturers had beat the cell phone carriers to the punch on that one (in a marketable way). Of course, the FCC would probably object to the adolescent practice of "sexting".

Maybe we need to come up with a way that the hobby can become more portable using iPads and Android phones. (Heck, now that Skype is popular, DXing seems a bit drab to younger kids.) But that's step ONE - younger hams who can innovate with new ideas. Step TWO - is all about supporting them in their endeavors... because the future - and that of technology innovations - (including that of ham radio) belongs to them.

Mike, WA9PIE

******
 
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by N2EY on September 5, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
WA9PIE writes: "They don't use CB radio as much anymore. They're on their bluetooth headset with their cell phones talking to wives, family, friends, mistresses... and so on. CB radio has lost relevance as a hobby and lost utility for truckers. The craze that began with "Smokey and the Bandit" has fizzled and faded like those fizzy drinks that we all had as a kid."

Think about *why* that happened. I say it's because of what the craze was based on.

The following is written about the USA, but there are probably analogs in other countries as well:

What the CB craze was all about for most people wasn't and isn't "radio" at all. It was partly about utility (mobile communications) and partly about psychology (being able to assume an anonymous persona to interact with others). The cell phone, GPS and other technologies do the utilitarian part, the internet does the psychological part.

But ham radio is about radio for its own sake, which is something completely different.

WA9PIE: "But in order for ham radio to continue to be relevant in the innovation of new technology (or even innovations in the uses of current technologies), we need younger hams. Several have pointed this out. But we should define ham radio through the eyes of our children, rather than through our own experiences."

Not exactly.

We should let *them* define it through their own eyes and experiences. We get them started, but let them choose their interests.

For example, I have found that a surprising number of younger folks aren't interested in modes that involve a computer connected to a radio. They've been there and done that; to them it is nothing new at all.

But something like an old radio, or Morse Code, or AM, or building something from individual components, fascinates them - because it's so *different*. Unique. Something they haven't seen every day since they can remember.

Of course not all younger hams will be interested in any specific thing, but that's always been true. What matters is that they be aware of all the choices ham radio offers, and that they pick what interests them.

WA9PIE: "Tons of kids - adults too - are on to iPads and Android phones. They'll use them in ways we've never dreamed."

Sure. But they will also do "old-fashioned" things as well, such as playing sports, hanging out with friends, going to school, etc.

For most of them, the technology is NOT the interest. It's just the tool. Facebook, for example, is only interesting to most of the young people I know because of the *content*. How they access it is irrelevant.

WA9PIE: "Perhaps kids would have been attracted to ham radio if HT manufacturers had beat the cell phone carriers to the punch on that one (in a marketable way). "

No. The cell phone, iPad, etc., are only the tool. For most, the content is what's interesting, not the technology.

Recently I encountered a group of high-schoolers who'd gathered to watch the 1997 film "Titanic". They didn't care that it was a VHS tape being shown on a CRT TV set. What mattered was the movie itself, and the shared experience with friends. (And that the adults left them alone to enjoy it!)

What the ham radio of today and tomorrow are all about isn't competition with cell phones, text messaging, etc.

Ham radio today and tomorrow is about "radio for its own sake". The journey rather than the destination. Most people, of any age, don't get that. Our task is to find the few that do.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5HTW on September 6, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
N2EY, you are correct. Except for a couple of things. For far too many 'hams' the radio is simply a tool. In the 1990s it was all too often simply a cheap cell phone for the hubby-wifey conversations. Today it is all too often the tool that allows someone to 'serve his community." For these people, there is absolutely zero interest in ham radio. They could just as easily do what they do if the local authorities issued them a fire or police HT. They have no need nor desire to contact others except in emergency drills, or, if it ever happens, the real thing.

The second area where you are not correct is the 'talk' aspect. There are those who have zero interest in the radio itself, what it does, how it does it, but, like CB, they simply want to talk to people they know. Many of these would actually be just as happy on CB if it was a quiet band, FM, full quieting, and the friend was nearly always available.

We have lost that 'interest in radio.' Sure there are a lot of us, including newcomers, who do have that interest, but at one time absolutely no one got into amateur radio without it. No one in the 50s or 60s got a ham ticket to serve his community, to play emergency radio. Emergencies were something we were prepared for, but we did not live for.

Ham radio was relevant to communications technology. But it was a hobby. It was not a career, although it certainly led some folks, me included, toward a career in electronics and/or communications. But in itself, it was always a hobby, a recreational activity meant to be enjoyed. It was not a tool.

As a tool, it is now used in Jeeping, off-roading, ballooning, hunting, etc., activities that were supported by business band radios, or in the case of ballooning, by aviation hand helds. Or CB, of course.

So again, the question is, 'relevant to what?" If something is relevant, it must be relevant TO something else. Ham radio has, for far too many, become simply a communications tool to support other non-ham activities. Where that has happened, the interest in amateur radio is zero.

Amateur radio has indeed changed, dramatically, from what it was when hams really were interested in the technical side of the hobby. And more recently, we have so many who want to drop the 'hobby' designation, and make it into a utility supporting many other activities.

That is where we went wrong, by letting it become that utility communications activity. I'd bet that nearly half of the recently licensed Tech hams, in the past five years, have zero interst in amateur radio. No way to know, of course. But it is likely they got the ticket due to pressure from a spouse, or pressure to "serve the community." That simply isn't what we were about when we had hams with an interest in the hobby.

So you are mostly correct. But ham radio has been redefined, away from a hobby, and into a utility. It continues to happen, but I think as more and more public safety organizations say "we don't need hams" this may slowly change. And that IS happening. We have those die hards who are clinging to the idea we are saving the world, but that aspect is going away. They just refuse to admit it.

Ed


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RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W5HTW on September 6, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
So the question remains, 'relevant to what?"

Relevant to science and technology? Hardly.

Relevant to public safety? Less and less so, if indeed it ever was. Was that just a "more hams, please" recruitment tactic? 'You can save the world by getting your ham ticket.' If so, it was a lie.

Relevant to advancing communications? Not normally, though it has happened, once in a great while. Though I doubt any ham has made any significant contribution, AS A HAM, to the science of communications, in decades. He may have contributed as part of his job, not as part of his being a ham.

Relevant to what? Getting on 20 meters and working DX? I hope so! Getting on 75 meters and ragchewing? Certainly. Getting on two meters and chatting with friends? Of course. Yeah, it's a hobby. The sooner we get off this "ham radio career" kick, or "ham radio public safety" kick, the sooner we can return to the real function of the hobby of ham radio!

ed
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by G6UWK on September 7, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Gone are the days when we represented a group of self trained personnel ready for the armed forces, they do not need us, nor do emergency operations after the first 24 hours. So going back to the original question of relevance to whom do we have to justify our selves? Me I am just happy that with the power consumer by an old fashioned light bulb and a couple of bits of wire I can talk to someone over 5000 miles away.

Jon
G6UWK
 
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by W5HTW on September 8, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Gone are the days when we represented a group of self trained personnel ready for the armed forces, they do not need us, nor do emergency operations after the first 24 hours. So going back to the original question of relevance to whom do we have to justify our selves? Me I am just happy that with the power consumer by an old fashioned light bulb and a couple of bits of wire I can talk to someone over 5000 miles away.

Jon
G6UWK


I agree! Which makes this entire thread irrelevant. We aren't relevant to anything, and we don't need to be. We aren't "your granddaddy's ham radio" anymore. We're just a bunch of PTTers. For fun.

Looks like the thread has died anyway, so that's relevant enough for me.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KF5CDE on September 11, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Yep, now-a-days getting a license is too easy. Kids have “better” things to do than enter the hobby and no one builds their own rigs anymore. Gone are the days when the “real” hobbyist made his own lures and poles. Wait a minute…this isn’t the fishing website. Sorry wrong forum!
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KC8OYE on September 11, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I didn't read all of the responses.. but I will say this:

Ham radio IS relavant.. Relevant to what depends on what you make of it.

I don't believe EMCOMM is dead.. in michgan where government agencies simply don't have money, they still rely VERY heavily on well prepared hams when the fit hits the shan!

as for what I like about the ham radio.. #1 at the top of the list has to be that there is ALWAYS something new to try! Even with my tech. class license.. when I get bored with your basic push-to-talk activities on 2m (there isn't a lot of 70cm action around here) THERE is ATV, SSTV, Packet, etc

and I do build my own gizmo's and gidgets when i have the time. I've built my own antennas for RDF'ing, I've built my own offset attenuators also for RDF'ing..

admittidly.. Ham radio has usually been a 'winter' hobby for me while the rest of my year is usually occupied by another 'useless' hobby.. restoring, rebuilding, and racing my classic muscle car :)

having moved temporarily and not having my car hobby I've turned back to ham.. and it's still as much fun now, as it was when I first got my ticket just over 10 years ago.

as long as *WE* don't give up on the hobby, it will always be relavant!
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KK6NJ on September 12, 2010 Mail this to a friend!


Oh yes especially in emergencies all this luxory cell
phone internet stuff is useless in emergencies for an example hiking in remote mountains where there are no cell coverage or weak coverage an ht on an repeater or even national simplex two meters 146.52 will the do the job you never know when you may fall or break an bone or an bad sprane etc! there are still areas of the country that have no twisted pair or cell coverage
in parts in northern nevada and montana alaska.

what is this hfgrond wave experiments any further information?de kk6nj.
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by WB4QNG on September 12, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
No. If you compare it to earlier ages when most things came from people working in their garages no. Tubes, capacitors and resistors were so much easier to work with. As for as emergency use no. New technologies are so for advance ham radio is far behind. A lot of us can remember from car wrecks to forest fires and everything in between. Ham radio was it. Now the motto is when every thing else fails there is ham radio. What do I expect to see in the future. Smaller and smaller radios and more digital type of communication.
Terry
WB4QNG
 
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by N0WVA on September 13, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Excluding the "pool of trained men and women for military use", the answer is, yes, ham radio is still relevant. How can that be? Even though modern communications has advanced beyond SSB and CW, the basic reason for ham radio is still there. And that is to advance ones knowledge of electronics and communications. Where else can one have access to basically a "free" laboratory to invent, design, and test? That lab is the RF spectrum. And its not just about radiating RF. There is the mechanical fabrication aspect and also learning about space objects and movement, and much more than these.

The sad part is lack of interest by younger individuals. Most think of it as an "Old Buzzard Hobby" because that is what we promote it as. Any brief exposure comes across as archaic and wierd.

So the main reason for ham radio still exists, Its the lack of motivation and curiosity that has itself changed the perspective of ham radio. Ham radio is a tool that is waiting to be used. A tool that can be used however you want and even for a lifetime of learning.
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W4DXL on September 13, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Certainly more relevant than broadcast radio!

It's like anything else what you get out of it is directly related to what you put into it. I'll be hamming till they put me in the ground and then maybe a few days after that!

73,
Mike W4DXL
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by W4DXL on September 13, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Certainly more relevant than broadcast radio!

It's like anything else what you get out of it is directly related to what you put into it. I'll be hamming till they put me in the ground and then maybe a few days after that!

73,
Mike W4DXL
 
Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by N7SGM on September 14, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Great Article Bob!!

For me ham radio is still relevant and I hope it will be for sometime. The hobby or science behind it has been changing since its inception and so it goes.

I guess I first became intrigued with radio when I was a yougster and got a much wanted crystal radio kit for Christmas. How cool was that I thought. Sure I could have simply listened to our "new" transistor radio and heard the same stations but it just wasn't the same. Then the CB era came along in the 60's and 70's and that was way cool. Not long after, the ham radio bug bit me and I was hooked for life. I bought my first dual band HT before I got my Technician ticket so that I had sufficient incentive to pass the exam. Nowadays I look forward to sitting down at my humble HF station, spinning the dial and see who's on the radio and where they are. I made a QSO just last evening with a fellow ham in Japan on 15 meters. I had previously made QSO's with this OM before on 20 meters but this was different, this was the 15 meter band. I think we both enjoyed the QSO just because it was on a different band. These opportunities seem so simple but yet it's what makes the hobby so fun.

We really can't blame our youth; they are bombarded with choices to make use of their spare time. Ham radio simply can't compete with video games and the like. These games are loaded with sensory embellishments galore. Ham radio may be just too boring in the absence of all the sensory stuff that comes with these games.

Maybe it's more refreshing for some of us to get away from the technology laden stuff we deal with at work and turn to a simpler past time without all the "busy-ness of the day".

I also think we as amateurs need to educate the public more. Many folks just don't know anything about ham radio or how to get involved in it. Not that we're a secret society by any means, we're just not "out there" like so many other technical hobbies.

If Joe Public really knew of all the things he could do in ham radio, he may just be interested. There is much to do in ham radio and a mode that suits almost everyone.

I would also like to see more ham radio clubs or classes in our junior and senior high schools. I know money is tight but it seems worthwhile to me. Many of the school age kids today only communicate with others using texting on cells phones. This really puts our youth at a disadvantage because they lack simple conversation skills when they enter the workplace. Ham radio is all about communication skills; it's the heart of the hobby no matter the mode.

I think ham radio is relevant today! I also think we'll see many new innovations, new modes, and new operators everyday. We may have made it easy to become an amateur but that doesn't mean we need to lose our operating skills, our need to learn, or our core ethics for becoming a proficient operator. There will always be those hams who abandon sound operating ethics and use of proper etiquette and we must confront them or cease communicating with them. Hopefully at some point, these ops will have no one who will respond to their calls.

There is much to take away from the hobby and much to add. Educating the public will keep ham radio alive!!

 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by K3ROJ on September 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
What we need is an intelligent president who will eliminate the Department of Education and allow schools to privately teach our children and be paid accodingly by State funds and parents. Take a look at our private schools now who actually teach children instead of having them bused in just to have a free lunch and babysit them for the day. There was a survey taken recently in Baltimore where many college students in various colleges were asked what the symbol "Pi" means. Eighty per cent had no idea what it was but only 40 years ago, every high school had electronics classes and students in middle school learned to use Pi in most equations pertaining to LC circuits, frequency and antenna formulas. The same thing has happened in Ham Radio where nobody is required to learn Morse Code but luckily many of us carry the ability to use code on to others. During Field Day, visiting youngsters were fascinated by our morse code stations and could not understand why we would use it and not voice. It was explained to them that our Government FCC was forced to drop code testing since it takes effort to learn which they themselves are unable to do.
 
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by N2EY on September 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
K3ROJ: "Take a look at our private schools now who actually teach children instead of having them bused in just to have a free lunch and babysit them for the day."

I have looked at my local schools, both public and private. Both do a very good job. The local public schools here today are better than the schools I went to 40 years ago. Much better.

Private schools can appear to do a better job for three basic reasons:

1) They can charge whatever they want
2) They can locate wherever they want
3) They can pick and choose which students to admit, and which to expel or keep out.

Public schools cannot do any of those. They have to attempt to teach every child in the district, regardless of their resources or the child's situation. It's often a bricks-without-straw game.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
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by KC6YFR on September 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
There's no crisis in Education-there's a crisis in parenting! Public schools are just the symptom. They are overwhelmed by the social problems brought from home. Many schools have as many as one hundred different languages spoken at home. Private schools are successful because, among other reasons, the parents are involved in the child's education. Private schools skim the best students from involved families. The family has fallen apart. Too many fathers have given up their responsibilities with "No Fault Divorce" to see just how many times they can score. They're not men, they're just animals sniffing around acting on the basest of desires. Parents no longer teach the necessary skills for living so the schools have to by default. Now that has been perverted by politicians who believe a score on a test is the measure of an education and the measure of a teacher. "Be careful of what you wish for you may just get it!"
73
Steve
KC6YFR
 
RE: Is Ham Radio Still Relevant?  
by KB1QBZ on September 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Well, as one person mentioned, one has to ask "relevant to what?". But here in the U.S., in many regards, we hams have made ham radio irrelevant.

All too much of ham radio is old geezers (regardless of actual age) acting as if this is still the glory days of 1940 or 1950 when ham radio and voice/CW nets truly were the first line of communications backup throughout the United States. That still may be the case in some small towns or outlying areas, but it's not true for about 85% of the U.S. population. There are now options that simply didn't exist 10 or 20 years ago.

But we see ARES still focused on voice/CW nets. Here in New England, we have ARES members publicly chastising served agencies (e.g., NWS) for using new terminology. We have state ARES refusing to work with emergency management officials because the officials want digital communications or want something other than the ARRL Radiogram form.

And then we have those whining about the elimination of the Morse requirement, which is something akin to whining about the elimination of the spark gap requirement. Or talking about "echostink". Or excoriating the new technologies. And then we wonder why it's difficult to attract the younger generation to this hobby.

Morse is fun, but here in the U.S. Morse is no longer a technology on which to build an emergency management infrastructure. Voice is fun, and voice has a very definite place in tactical communications, but here in the U.S. it is no longer the technology on which to build an emergency management infrastructure. Emphasis on the word 'management' (read up about the distinction between first response and emergency management).

Red Cross understands that. CERT understands that. Hospitals and other public service functions understand that. THEY are busy building emergency management capabilities based on digital traffic. And many of them are doing it with cadres of ham radio operators who are part of their organizations and not part of ARES or ARRL (the Red Cross especially, the new MOU notwithstanding). In many cases, these organizations are not even using existing hams, but rather are training their own from their own ranks.

Why do you think that is?

Someone wrote something to the effect of "... but in a real emergency, your stinkin cell phones and stinkin internet won't be there". Well guess what? In the last 10 years, the stinkin cell phones were mostly there in U.S.-based disasters. Likewise the stinkin internet.

Just like in the recent New Zealand earthquake.

If we want to be relevant, we have to recognize that the world has changed and that technology has marched forward. We have to stop doing things that discourage newcomers.

It doesn't mean we can't continue to have fun with the older technologies, but we have to recognize that relevance means staying up with the newer technologies (and terminology), providing those technologies to our communities and served agencies, and displaying a "can learn and will learn" attitude.

Jon
KB1QBZ


P.S. And before some of you sniff that I probably have never tried CW, know that I do operate CW. About 60% of my QSOs are CW.
 
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