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Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet

Jack Bitzer (NL7SX) on April 18, 2011
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Having an Alaska call and a good spot on a hill looking south in Ketchikan over the Pacific Ocean was a lot of fun on 10-meter FM and 10-Meter packet but I'm just as excited in this canyon in the South Sierras of California with a vertical antenna because the sunspots are coming and everyone gets to play when 10-Meters is 'cooking'!

The ebb and flow of the solar cycle brings big changes to HF radio. Sideband will be great as 11M chatter proves. The hams will drive back the bandits from 28 MHz and up. Every frequency will be in use to 28.5 where higher class hams have some space.

QRP is wonderful on 10M, but this is about packet and FM. It takes a better antenna, maybe more power, and a night time job so you can enjoy 10M during the peak of the sun-day. Aim your antenna east in the morning, west after noon, but if you don't have a directional the ether will get you DX from all over. Packet was used on 29.1 USB and 10-Meter FM begins at 29.5 so a shorter antenna might help. The repeaters have 100 khz offset and some have pl's so it get's tricky sometimes (example 29.52 in, 29.62 out) There might be 4 repeaters vying for stations on a frequency pair and they are changing in intensity and activity by the minute. If your ears are like mine you will enjoy clear FM voice quality like your contact was on 2m down the street.

The main calling frequency is 29.6 ..... it will be very busy.....try to qsy quickly if you want to chat.....use 29.5 and maybe lower for simplex....there were satellites in this band so listen carefully.....they're only overhead for 15 minutes or so. There will be pileups and capturing....don't give up! It's bedlam sometimes.

For packet there are multiple qso's and digipeating at 300 baud. That means your transmitter will be chattering away as fast as you can type with up to 6 or more simultaneous qso's. If you get a chance check your MHeard list. If 10-Meters is working well 7 or more countries may have checked in in a 30 minute period.

Keep listening before and after openings as often 10M is open and only the beacons will tell you there is propagation.

Have fun!

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Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KF6A on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"Tired of SSB? Wanting more clarity?"

Nope.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K0BG on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I'm just not into digital modes except CW, and I don't do that very often. After all, I get enough typing answering e-mails!

I don't do FM any more either. The last time I listened to 10 meter FM, it sounded just like 2 meters and/or 11 meters. Just too much QSL this, QSL that, Roger this, Roger that! Good Lord, you'd think they all worked for NASA!

Alan, KBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by NL7SX on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
And since I sent this to EHam, several local hams have come forth with good memories of VHF packet and are going to dig out their TNC's Commodores, AGWPE soundcard tnc's etc to try to link to WA6TJQ-5, -6, -7, -8 at Twin Peaks, above Los Angeles! Packet LIVES!
 
first 10FM international QSO on 29.3 (cycle24)  
by NL7SX on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Emilio, CE3JPB in Santiago, Chile WHee HAh!
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by WA2DTW on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
How about 10-meter AM?
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KB4QAA on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
OK, I promise I'll try 10m FM this cycle!
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KB4QAA on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
OK, I promise I'll try 10m FM this cycle!
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KF6GZX on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Okay... I promise to try 10m FM and Packet, also. I'm ready for the "magic" to return to the magic bands.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KS0F on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Mis-information!

29.6 Mhz is NOT the calling frequency! It is the FM simplex frequency.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K6RMR on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
It is Illigal to Operate FM right on 29.5Mhz unless
your total width of your signal is no wider than
6KHZ.An FM signal at 5Khz of dev. is going to be
about 15 to 16Khz wide. 29.5Mhz is the lowest
point of the 10 meter FM band. You can not Deviate
below that freq using FM at normal deviations
or you will receive a Citation from the FCC.
Stan K6RMR
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K6RMR on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
It is Illigal to Operate FM right on 29.5Mhz unless
your total width of your signal is no wider than
6KHZ.An FM signal at 5Khz of dev. is going to be
about 15 to 16Khz wide. 29.5Mhz is the lowest
point of the 10 meter FM band. You can not Deviate
below that freq using FM at normal deviations
or you will receive a Citation from the FCC.
Stan K6RMR
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K7RBW on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
It looks to me like the phone part of 10m starts at 28.3 MHz and goes up to 29.7 MHz. What's wrong with transmitting FM on 29.5? Seems like an FM signal would cover 29.485 to 29.515 MHz, all of which is within the voice part of 10m.

What am I missing?
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KS0F on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Stan - Could you please site your reference for it being illegal to operate FM (+/-5KC deviation) on 29.5 Mhz? Many of is have been doing exactly that for 30+ years!!

There are no bandwidth limits for amateur radio operators operating above 29 MHz in the US. Canada does have that restriction.

 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KS0F on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Stan - Could you please site your reference for it being illegal to operate FM (+/-5KC deviation) on 29.5 Mhz? Many of is have been doing exactly that for 30+ years!!

There are no bandwidth limits for amateur radio operators operating above 29 MHz in the US. Canada does have that restriction.

 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N5BEW on April 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Unless rules have changed in say the last 15 yrs I was under the impression the bandwidth restrictions were for below 29.000 Mhz.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by WB9YCJ on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
When ten gets hot (real hot) again, and you are on the US west coast, listen around 4-6 pm pacific time, between 29.0 and 29.2 FM for Chinese fishing boats (shanghainese dialect). You may hear their boat motors in the audio as well. Seems these many boat operators are talking to each other with low power bootleg Ham equipment, etc . As bootleggers, they dont use callsigns it seems. They were present during the last two sunspot peaks. Perhaps again.
 
What is he jibbering about?  
by G8KHS on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"Tired of SSB? Wanting more clarity?"

Suggest you tune your ssb radio in properly old man or get it serviced, sounds like it's faulty.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by AJ4RW on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Great article Jack (NL7SX). This article gives amateurs another avenue to travel down the road of communications. Too bad that some hams wouldn't be happy if they were hanged with a new rope. Baa hum-bug to those who can only criticize. They don't need to get their radio fixed, they need to get themselves fixed. Keep up the great work Jack!
Randy AJ4RW
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N8YX on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"...Packet was used on 29.1 USB..."

No.

28.101/103/105 LSB (300bd) and 28.195/195 (1200bd).

Try there. You'll get better results. ;-)
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N8YX on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Above should read 28.190/195 (for 1200bd).
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by WA4ZKO on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
So who is active, where and freq/speed?

Anyone on 10m at 1200 baud?
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K3GAU on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Use 28.195 MHz for 1200 baud packet?? That's awful close to the world wide propagation beacon system on 28.200. I guess that if it is on USB it should be far enough away. I sure wouldn't get it done on FM.

Dave K3GAU
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K7LJ on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Stan, where are you getting this information???

You evidently haven't listened to 10M FM when the band is open to Asia. Lots of JA, HL, DU, etc. stations are using 29.01 all the way up to the top of the band. The Calling Channel, 29.300 MHz is VERY busy when the band is open. You may also hear some 10M FM Packet BBS stations around 29.010, 29.020, etc.

How do you figure that 29.5 is "illegal" for FM use???

Who are all of these people that have been cited by the FCC for operating there???
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by AA5TB on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"Stan, where are you getting this information???"

I think he is confusing 29.5 MHz for 29 MHz. In the U.S. it is 29 MHz and below where only very narrow band FM is allowed.

10 FM is a lot of fun. I remember when for years the repeater on 29.66 MHz in the U.S. Virgin Islands was active. The band might not be open to anywhere else but from here in Texas we could always work that repeater during the day. I use to work a lot of friends in Texas that were in my skip zone by going through that Virgin Is. repeater while mobile. Worked great!

73,
Steve - AA5TB
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by AC5JV on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I'M READY FOR 10 PACKET JUST TELL ME WHERE TO MEET YOU ON WHAT FREQUECY . RUNNING 300 BAUD PACKET ON 40M NOW .
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K0RGR on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Lots of misinformation here.

FM is legal everywhere in the phone subband on 10 - that is from 28.3 to 29.7. BUT, Tech and Novice class can only use SSB from 28.3 to 28.5. 16F3 (wide) is legal above 29.0. Below 29.0, the modulation index must be less than 1, which means a bandwidth of 2X the modulating frequency plus the deviation, or about 8.5 kHz max.. Many radios these days have a setting for wide vs. narrow FM - the narrow setting should be legal below 29. With a deviation of 2.5 kHz, the modulation index will be less than 1. You can use this narrow FM on any phone band except 60 meters, and once in a great while, you do.

When the latest rearrangement of the ham bands happened, I tried to get FCC to change the lower limit for wide FM - I really don't see why it's not 28.8 or even 28.7. But, they simply said 'no'.

AM is popular around 29 MHz., and when the band is open, you will hear lots of it there. There is also a satellite band that we need to consider, even though there aren't any active 10 meter satellites at this time. It would be great if the wide FMers could agree on some more simplex frequencies. The repeater band and the simplex frequency at 29.6 are too much of a zoo when the band is open. I understand 29.3 is very commonly used now, too.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by AI2IA on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
In spite of all the negativism and criticism, and some errors. this was a good attempt to suggest something different for many amateur operators, especially those who have come on board in the last few years.

The only difference between a rut and a grave are there dimensions.

For your own mental health loosen up and try new things once in awhile.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by W8KQE on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"Variety is the spice of life." Even in Ham Radio.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K1DA on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Sure, 10 SSB on a hundred dollar 10 meter version of a CB rig isn't that good, but the FM on those boxes is worst. SSB on a good quality "REAL" ham rig is very good, and because of the narrow bandwidth does NOT frop into the noise as rapidly. Same is true for 6 and 2 SSB, you'ss NOT duplicate that coverage on FM.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KE2IV on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I think the author here made a good attempt to convey the real message that once the sunspot cycle gets hot -- 10 Meters becomes a carnival of ham radio delights. As he notes, FM particularly makes it's cyclical appearance on the HF bands where both propagation and lack of repeater coordination can make for a bit of mayhem -- but fun mayhem for those who enjoy the unexpected.

As is the case every cycle -- there is a batch of newer hams out there who've yet to experience the worldwide propagation characteristics of 10M when it get "hot". I well remember a cycle or two ago when I was working SSB mobile with a 108-inch whip and communicating throughout the world.

One time I was traveling with my wife through upstate NY to visit friends in Quebec, Canada with that meager setup. I worked a bunch of European stations while traveling through the Plattsburg, NY area signing "mobile 2". I then crossed the US-Canadian border and worked many of the same stations again -- signing "mobile VE2".

Whatever your pleasure: FM, AM, Packet and other digi modes or good old SSB and CW -- 10M is soon to be hoppin'. So enjoy it and quit griping and throwing misinformation regarding frequency allocations and permitted mode usages at each other so much!
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by VE4CY on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I experimented with 1200 Baud packet back in the 1980's I did some W0RLI Packet BBS forwarding with a station in Sierra Vista AZ. We were using a frequency in the AM sub-band (between 29.0 to 29.2) and we did anger a few AM ops. The tests only lasted for one summer.

FM can be fun. I once worked a station in England on 29.600 simplex. He was running mobile in his car using a 4 foot whip.

One thing I don't like about FM is that the FM band is full of repeaters. When 10 is open, you hear repeaters talking over repeaters. It gets tough separating things. Also.. FM signals often get distorted making them hard to copy. I've seen this on 10 and 6 meters.

And on Canadian 10 meter bandwidth... We're allowed to use a bandwidth of up to 20Khz -anywhere- between 28 and 29.7


 
Time for 10-Meter FM ?  
by G8KHS on April 19, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with VE4CY, when 10m really opens up it becomes a big mess in the FM section.
Anyhow lets not turn this into yet another mode war just because the author decided to make a silly comment about SSB.
Lets all enjoy 10 and operate responsibly whatever the pros or cons of your favorite mode.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KB0VPW on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
i believe what the author is stating is that fm being a wider bandwidth has a better audio fidelity..i for one have had a ball on 10m fm...whatever radio/mode you use, have fun and enjoy the hobby...that's what it's all about..
 
Time for 10-Meter SSB  
by G8KHS on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I understand that Jim, heard all the discussions about FM being superior to SSB since I was first licenced in '75 and boy that's been a lot of discussions.

Fact is that SSB has a lot of advantages over FM and very little disadvantages, err.. yeah one to be precise. Fidelity, and that's it

Saying that, CW beats them every time and then some.

Ok mode rant over (I hope) for now..LOL..


73 de G8KHS - John
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K7LJ on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
NO, Stan - Wideband FM is permitted above 29.000 MHz. You must be thinking of the "Repeater band", which is 29.500 and above.

Take a look at FCC Part 97.....

Larry


-----Original Message-----

Larry
The FCC Can not cite outside the US.
But do it in the US and you will be cited.
FM us not Permitted below 29.5Mhz in the USA.
That is FCC Rules and Regs not agreements.
29.3 to 29.4 are Satellite outputs.
If you do get a Citation from the FCC you have
a certain number of days mentioned on the citation
to explain to the FCC how this Violation happened
and what was done to correct the problem
on your station. If Ignored your License is gone.
Stan K6RMR

 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by W1LIC on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Also on 10 meters, JT65 on 28.076
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by W8AAZ on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Wow whenever someone posts an idea on here people just come out of the woodwork to say "you are an idiot" and then proudly post their callsigns. I think eham should have a thumbs up/thumbs down feature like Yahoo comments, then if some nasty ham gets too many down, his posting is blanked or deleted and we can just read the constructive or reasonable comments. As for 10M FM, just another option on my radio when the band opens up. Why not?
 
Hi Tom if you mean me then please say so om  
by G8KHS on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you for your post for putting words into my mouth :-)
I don't recall calling anyone an idiot on this topic and never have on this excellent site.

As for pride in posting my callsign, you are very mistaken.

Identifying yourself is a polite thing to do, pride has no place in that what so ever.

I also tried to inject little humor into the topic but I guess the UK & US have subtle differences in what constitutes that, sorry if I didn't get that quite right.

As for your suggestion on the Yahoo arrow scheme, I think it would be open to abuse and totally inappropriate on eham. Also a lot of folk would not bother to post anymore and that would be a loss.

Censorship of critical or opposing views should not be encouraged on here, simply because debate is a great way of expanding your knowlege and outlook.

I enjoyed reading Jacks' article and I really hope he writes more, especially on packet.

73 to you and I hope you reply.

John G8KHS
 
RE: Hi Tom if you mean me then please say so om  
by EX_AA5JG on April 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"There is also a satellite band that we need to consider, even though there aren't any active 10 meter satellites at this time."

Not true. AO7 still goes into Mode A (2m up, 10m down) quite regularly. The passband for it is 29.400 to 29.500 with a beacon on 29.502.

73s John AA5JG
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KW3U on April 21, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
29.5Mhz is the lowest
point of the 10 meter FM band. You can not Deviate
below that freq using FM at normal deviations
or you will receive a Citation from the FCC.
Stan K6RMR

Also if you play music, use foul language,run high
power, don't id, every night for years on 75m ssb, you
will get a citation- NOT.
sorry I miss riley.
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KS0F on April 21, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Stan-
You are making yourself look like an idiot. We've asked you to post the FCC rule which supports your statements and you have been unable to (because there is no FCC rule to support you).

FM is legal anywhere that AM is legal. The only issue is that below 29 MHz your bandwidth is limited to be no wider than an AM signal.
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by AA5TB on April 21, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Just in case someone in the U.S. doesn't no where to find the FCC rules (!) here is a link:

http://tinyurl.com/3dhc7d9

Notice the note (1) in all of the phone bands below 29.0 MHz. Then scroll to down to find what that note means and you'll read:

"(1) No angle-modulated emission may have a modulation index greater than 1 at the highest modulation frequency."

The key thing to remember here is that "normal" narrow band FM (wide band in this sense) is okay above 29 MHz. Many rigs have a "narrow" narrow band FM setting for below 29 MHz. Confused yet?

Please try to avoid the satellite subbands on 10 m.

By the way, here in Texas the spring sporadic-E season has began with openings on 10 and 6 m for some nice QSO's in addition to the longer distance F layer stuff the sun spots are bringing on.

73,
Steve - AA5TB
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by W8AAZ on April 21, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
How did a single operater determine that somehow I was referring to him, in particular, in a long string of replies to replies, etc? I was writing in general, based upon responses I have read to many articles posted by those who may be relative newcomers. If I disagree with some point in an article or even the entire basis of the story, I either disregard and move on, or try to be tactful. Humor is often appreciated, as long as it is not too personal or sharp-tongued/degrading, in response to mistakes or even ridiculous statements. I may have been guilty of such to some extent or the other in the past, possibly. But I was not making reference to anyone in particular. I was afraid the writer was about to be exposed to the same horrible bashing as a writer of a previous article I read here, recently. These things tend to build and deteriorate into schoolboy tauntings till someone stifles it.
 
Good grief dear Tom  
by G8KHS on April 21, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you for those few kind words.
Have a real nice day and enjoy yourself on eham and super high fidelity 10fm.

73 om :-) bye bye
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K8YZK on April 22, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Why settle for just FM/Packet, why not AM (yes there is 10 AM), or the digital modes such as JT65HF which works great even with QRP, or CW. When 10 meters opens up and you can hear the FM repeaters, guess what, the rest of ten is open.

73
Kurt
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by W8AAZ on April 22, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Yes why not? I am perfectly willing to experiment with any mode my rig can generate, if I hear activity. I have even worked 10M CW with a postage stamp sized transmitter many years ago. Just to see if it could be done. Probably very few milliwatts, I was astounded when I received a reply.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KR6EL on April 24, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Jack how the heck have you been!

I love 10. Some call 6 the magic band but I think it's 10. In a moments you can have propagation to potentially anywhere & then it's gone. It doesn't take much power sometimes & it's a great mobile band.

I can't wait for the band to open up.
 
Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N6HPX on April 25, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Not sure of the Packet Part since I have never used it but the FM part is always popping up in my location at times when I was in Manila. I hope the bands still keep improving more as I heard some dx beacons from Darwin a few weeks ago.
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KC8QMU on April 27, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Having fun on 10 today........ NY state and Michigan via some short skip here today on 29.6, 29.62 repeater in NYC slammin' in here today also..... see you on 10 FM!
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KB2HSH on April 28, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
KC8QMU:

I was the NY station you worked yesterday on 29.600 FM. It was quite a bit of fun witnessing the band changing rapidly. 10 is just one of those bands that is simply awesome during the good years.

jm
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KC8QMU on April 28, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Nice to work you the other day! Thanks for your patience also. You came blasting in at first, but the band was really up and down and giving me some trouble..... Yaesu ft-890, 100W,1/2 wave vertical here..... hope to hear you again sometime, either on SSB or FM!
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N0JYC on April 29, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
KSOF - As far as most everyone who operates on 10 FM, 29.6 is used as the calling freq.
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K7LJ on April 29, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Rick, N0JYC - If you'd like to use it for the "calling" channel, no problem. Go ahead and call and QSY somewhere (like is done on the 29.300 MHz FM Calling Channel.) But for most of us who have been on the 29.600 MHz FM International Simplex Frequency since the 60's and 70's, we're staying put!

Welcome to 10M FM - you'll find lots of fun there!

 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KC0NIB on April 30, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Something tells me he is siding with those in the FCC who are there at the backing of Eric Holder. And we all know what he is doing to the laws in general. Sheesh.
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by KS0F on April 30, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
No, MOST people know and understand that 29.6 is the FM Simplex frequency and NOT the calling channel. It is always the newbies to 10 FM who think what you are saying.

But go ahead and use it as a calling channel if you want, that does not hurt anything! Infact, helps keep the frequency clear for us who understand what the correct use of the frequency is!
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N0JYC on May 4, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
KS0F - Whatever you say....
 
I'm glad everyone is excited!  
by NL7SX on May 8, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
AJ4RW TNX, WA4ZKO 1200 is tougher so good luck-it was around 29.2+,AC5JS let's try 29.120, K1DA 500 watts on 10FM is really neat-try e-skip and follow the cloud on the repeaters!, G8KHS TNX, KR6EL Hi!...... NOTE: keeping track of repeaters on 10FM, their tones, their delay times, their ID's, their links (2M etc) can be stimulating/tricky. Working them reverse confuses things more, so the considerate operator uses just his call letters, qsy's rapidly, keeps his QSO short when others are piled up, and generally gets his/her moment in the sun! Also, listen for the Australian east to west coast 10M FM link from the USA and there is now a FM 10M to 6M repeater in the UK. Incidentally, I've never heard a gal on 10FM so come on GALS!
 
there also are 10M FM voice crossbands  
by NL7SX on May 10, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
here's a list of repeaters/crossbands:

nhttp://www.thiecom.de/10mlist.htm
 
29.250 FM 1200bd in Europe  
by UZ2HZ on May 18, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Please note 29.250 FM 1200bd packet and APRS channel in Europe.

Possible some activity during Es opens...


 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by N8WJR on May 20, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I take exception to the real ham radio statement. Ham Radio use to be about building equipment and experimenting. Not just pulling your new rig out of a box. If you tell people you are using a home brew on any band about one third will pick it apart with criticism.

Yes, some of us converted CB radios to 10 meter rigs, and they sounded good.....
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K4RAF on May 23, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
300 baud?
Oofa', that is just too slow to be useful...
OFDM does 54-150mbps & can support audio & video...

Problem: Ham radio does not embrace it, even on the bands hams clearly don't use enough to justify... thus they are shared with more productive Part 15 devices on 900, 2.4 & 5...

Stuck in the 1970's, AX25 is FAX speed circa 2011 on VHF... 300 baud is sad, even for HF...No more leading edge for ham radio... Instead of building cutting edge networks on 900MHz, 2.4, 3.4 & 5GHz like the days of VHF packet networks, hams are just stuck happily sitting back riding a very slow wave. Like a wave good bye, you're irrelevant in the technology world today! Hams wrote TCP/IP, cutting edge for 1980... 31 years later, AX25 is still the "standard"???

LOL
 
RE: Time for 10-Meter FM and 10-Meter Packet  
by K7LJ on May 24, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
So with that reasoning, RTTY is also obsolete since it's only 45.45 baud?
 
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