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160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System

from Dennis Hilbert, K8KAS on April 26, 2011
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160-Meter-10-Meter "KISS" All-Band Antenna System
by Dennis Hilbert, K8KAS

I am submitting this short article to describe an ALL BAND 160M10M Simple Antenna System that has worked extremely well for a number of Hams locally over the last 10 years or so. This antenna was originally installed as a temporary system but has proven to work so well that in a number of Qths it has been kept as the primary antenna.

The antenna will work with most rigs with an internal antenna tuner and on a number of bands without an antenna tuner. On 10/15/20/75 and 160 meters, NO antenna tuner is needed... On 60/30/17/12 meters the antenna functions as a random L type wire and will require a tuner.

The antenna being a wave current antenna on most bands does require a good radial system to be effective. This is nothing new to those of us who have used current fed verticals in the past. We at WD8QKEs installation installed 20 radials at 30 ft. long spread out over 360 degrees. Checking the RF ground impedance with an antenna analyzer we found this to be a good number of radials for fairly low RF ground impedance.

The cost for this antenna is below $200 purchased new and is as well a very clean antenna with a small footprint for people in HOA developments.

RESULTS:

The antenna has worked very well compared to many other ham systems and has been the winner often in testing shoot outs. Many 1st call DX contacts have been made on all bands with 75 and 40 meters being its best bands, however EZ contacts are the norm on the other bands as well.

I think you will enjoy this simple coax fed All Band System. Please let us know how yours works.

Thanks,
Denny Hilbert, K8KAS and Dave Hubbard, WD8QKE
k8kas1@aol.com

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160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by NV6R on April 26, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
You can also do like I did to my 4-btv: I have added wires for 17m and 30m parallel to the antenna and spaced 4" out. I am going to have to try your approach, in addition to mine, and see what I come up with.

I think that I am also going to delete the 10m and 15m traps, leaving only the 20m. I will add more wires parallel for 10m and 15m and a little to the top to make it resonant on 40m, but then also do like you did with the traps and the L section. This would reduce some of losses incurred by the 10m & 15m traps; every little bit helps.

73, John, NV6R
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by K8KAS on April 26, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Hi John, remember if you remove the 10 and 15 meter traps you change the overall length and will have to mess with re-tuning the 4 BTV. With a tuner we can work 17/12/30 and 60 meters with great results and not have to mess the antenna with stubs and standoffs. The removal of 5 or 6 uH of series trap inductance (10 and 15m) I doubt could be even measured in far field signal. IMHO Denny 73
 
160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by N2OBM on April 26, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I gave my Hustler to a ham that was limited by the 'in house' HOA :) I will pass this on to him; but that many radials...I assume that will be a NO/GO. We put six down; 1 each N, S, E, W = 38'and 2 more as a counterpoise stapled along the fence as 15M SWR was horrible. Also, 10' copper ground rod right below the mount (old galvanized clothesline pipe sunk in concrete). Now, great SWR without a tuner on any band...how much is actually being 'launched' is anybodys guess. Does the horizontal section of your 'mod' have a high take off? Is there a predictable pattern say perpendicular or off the end? Just want to give him the best scenario. tnx, YI9OBM
 
160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by WD9FUM on April 26, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Denny, is there a larger illustration of the antenna system available?
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by N4UJW on April 26, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Hi all.
Denny, K8KAS has been kind enough to offer a better copy of his article on Hamuniverse.com.
The graphic is larger and more readable.
You can see it here:
http://www.hamuniverse.com/k8kas160104btvmultibandantenna.html
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by WD9FUM on April 27, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
TNX DE WD9FUM
 
160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by K3VW on April 27, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Having known Denny for over a 1/4 Century, his antenna ideas are always unique! This antenna is perfect for those guys that complain they can't get on the "Low" bands because of land/ HOA restrictions. I did something, similar, 40 years ago in "Police car" mobile with a hustler mounted on top of the car, when I parked. Great idea Denny. You'all keep up the good work, ya hear??!! Willy
 
160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by K3VW on April 27, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Having known Denny for over a 1/4 Century, his antenna ideas are always unique! This antenna is perfect for those guys that complain they can't get on the "Low" bands because of land/ HOA restrictions. I did something, similar, 40 years ago in "Police car" mobile with a hustler mounted on top of the car, when I parked. Great idea Denny. You'all keep up the good work, ya hear??!! Willy
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by W4VR on April 28, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Good work Denny old boy. Back in the 70's I did something similar. I had a 40-10 meter Moseley vertical with 50 buried radials. I was dying to get on 160 from a postage stamp lot, so I tied a piece of wire to the top of that vertical and tied the other end to a tree at about 50 feet above ground to make the whole thing resonant on 1825 kHz. That antenna worked great on 160. I had a 40 meter wire beam so I was not too upset in losing the 40 meter portion of the vertical.
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by N4JTE on April 28, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea Denny, I think I saw you flying down the highway on a Harley with that design, pretty impressive! Really good idea and nice to see the occasional real "Article" on Eham, my faith is restored.
Regards,
Bob
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by AD6KA on May 1, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
"The cost for this antenna is ***below $200 purchased new******
and is as well a very clean antenna with a small footprint for people in HOA developments."
I don't think so.

I take issue with the "purchased new" section:
4btv from HRO: $169.95
Unadilla 40m Reyco Trap: $51.75
Unadilla 75m Reyco Trap: %57.25
PLUS
600 feet new radial wire?
Radial plate???
Mount for 4BTV?
Far side MAST, moount, guys hardware of no tree available?
COAXIAL CABLE?

I mean I like the interesting article, and it looks like an interesting experiment or even solution
for some, but please don't through out "Fantasy World"
"purachased new!" prices.
tnz es 73, Ken AD6KA
Gud luck with the new antenna to everyone who tries it, hope it works very well for you!




 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by NV6R on May 4, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Ken,

Why would you have to buy the traps when they are extremely simple to make? Nor, would it be necessary to buy a radial plate. Yes, the radial plate would make things easier, but not needed. The only thing that I would have to purchase would be the coax and the wire, which would be needed for any antenna. Oh, and why would you buy the 4BTV from HRO, when you can buy it from DX Engineering for $124 ($155 with shipping); this will save you a little money to buy the wire.

I would ground mount it and use a PVC mast to hold up the far end wire. All said, I could build this antenna for a lot less than you have listed, Ken.

4BTV: $155
500' of 18 gauge: $50
200' of RG8X (for antenna and traps): $70
PVC for mast and traps: $30

Total: $305

No, this is not super-cheap, but it is still pretty good for an antenna that, with a couple tweaks, can cover all bands from 160m-10m.

I know most people who have never built anything like a trap would cringe at the idea of it, but I could show somebody that has never done any antenna homebrewing before how to make coaxial traps in about 5-minutes. Plus, with an MFJ-259 I could have this antenna setup on all bands in less than a hour.

I do agree, however, Ken, there is no way that you could build this antenna for $200 with all off the shelf components. I know Denny was only referring to the 4BTV when he quoted the price as "below $200", but he could have been a little clearer on that. The premise of the antenna concept is sound, but the cost is a little misleading -- if all new parts were used, that is.

73, John, NV6R
 
160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by KI4SDY on May 4, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
I appreciate the simplicity of the added low bands for limited space. Good to get us all thinking out of the box. A combination of a commercial made antenna and home brew modification that many of us would not think about. Thanks for sharing the information.

No more whining about living in a HOA!
 
160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by NZ4O on May 9, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
A simple inverted L fed made up of #14 stranded double coated housewire with window line feedline back to a balanced network tuner in the radio shack would be a much better performer as an all band antenna.

I ran the above antenna in a rental home in a subdivision with antenna restrictions enforced by the local Marxist HOA and it was unseen from the road. It worked fantastic for three years.

Your design is very lossy in a every way, a big air cooled dummy load. Just my .05 cents due to inflation.

Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O
Lakeland, FL
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by K8KAS on May 9, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Thomas, our lossy KISS antenna has proven itself over 10 years at a number of QTH's, it has kicked butt!!!
Where and how do you support our system is Lossy? And what is lossy to you, 1/4 or 1/3 of a db??
I have used TRAPS in a number of antennas over the years and never have been able to see any real loss in performance. Take a look at Tom's W8JI comments and real life testing on trap loss on his WEB site. Balanced line has it's problems and many more than you experence with coax fed antennas. The L you perfer is just another way of doing it nothing more. IMHO Denny K8KAS
 
RE: 160-Meter-10-Meter 'KISS' All-Band Antenna System  
by N4JTE on May 9, 2011 Mail this to a friend!
Got that right Denny, if it was not for traps or other means of loading multi band wire and aluminum antennas more than 75% of the commercial antenna suppliers would be out of buisness.
I like yours, simple and easy to build.
Regards,
Bob
 
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