28 MHz Interference Observation:
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Don Crozier, KA9QJG
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28 MHz Interference Observation:
After listening to amateur radio news line and reading the article below, I recall a little research I did in n/w Indiana Chicago area, and thought I would share my findings. Many times I have been on 10 meters and lost contacts because of a non-licensed radio operator interfering AM FM and SSB. Of course legally as licensed amateur radio operators we cannot key up and have a QSO and tell them anything because we are in violation.
One time this had happened and I recognized a familiar voice I called him and he was ham radio operator on CB using a radio he had tuned up, it was putting a harmonic on 10 meters, so he quit using it.
Well today I was on 10 meters the band was open and I only have 100 Watts and a homemade wire dipole I was waiting for the right opportunity to work a JA station, I finally saw an opening and put my call out in the pileup and when I un-keyed I heard the JA give my call then immediately I heard some type of strong signal, I switched over and it was someone on AM talking. So I missed the contact.
So I did some testing to try and locate it, I live near a couple of miles from a large expressway, so I left my Kenwood TS-2000 on 10 meters around 28.375 and I turned another receiver on the low end of the 11 meter band 2600 to 28.000 and when I got to 27.185 I could hear the same CB radio op I was hearing on 28.375 AM
So that tells me the CB radio was putting out a harmonic, so even if I had illegally got upset and told him on 10 meters he would of never heard me, So now that I know what is going on I did some testing and found this all over the bands 25.000-30.000 MHz.
A few years back I was at a large local truck stop and was in the CB gift shop area and two truck drivers were talking about buying a export CB to have more private channels, I said in a nice way I was a ham radio operator and sometimes i hear truck drivers driving down the expressway interfering on out 10 meter ham band just above the CB band. They stated they had no idea they would just buy the radios have them peaked and tweaked and find a clear spot to talk AM/FM SSB whatever they wanted to do. I informed them about getting an amateur radio license and the ARRL.
So all this leads me to actually believe that a lot of the interference we get on out 10 meter ham bands it not always intentional, or known, it is because of all the cheap export non-FCC type CB equipment on the market, not just top pick on the CB and other users let's talk about some hams who also buy this type of equipment you are also putting harmonics all over the place too. I for one do NOT want my call letters going out over any frequency that I am not licensed for. Unfortunately we all know some who really could care less what they do. The radios are used worldwide. I just wonder how many others have no idea or care where they are transmitting.
Sorry for the long post but it was bugging me and I did miss the JA contact.
73 De Don KA9QJG
The October issue of the IARU Monitoring System (IARUMS) newsletter reports that the intruder situation on 28 MHz is getting worse.
It says "We found much CB-like traffic (AM, FM, SSB) between 28 and 29.7 MHz in September and again in October 2011. Origins: Europe, Brazil, and Far East. Besides that we observed, that the band is still crowded of numerous CIS taxicabs in FM. The conditions on the upperbands are raising, so we are realize the "apocalypse" on our exclusive band."
The newsletter also describes interference on the 24 MHz band from Codar Radar and numerous "CB" operators.
The International Amateur Radio Union Monitoring System (IARUMS) Region 1 October 2011 newsletter can be read at
http://www.iarums-r1.org/iarums/news2011/news1110.pdf
Do not forget the Intruder-Logger!
The Intruder-Logger is open to all users worldwide. You can store your intruder observations in real time mode! Do not forget to use this system and read the entries from all parts of
the world!
http://peditio.net/intruder/bluechat.cgi
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by W6ZPC on December 14, 2011
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I read with intererst your story about 10 meter interference. However, I don't believe the 28.375 mHz signal was a harmonic, as these are usually twice or another multiple of the fundamental frequency. I notice the difference between the two signals is 1190 kHz which lies in the AM broadcast band. Is there a radio station at 1190 in your area? If there is, the two signals may be mixing due to a front end overload on your receiver. The CBer might be running illegal power which would add to the problem. A bandpass filter for 10 meters might help resolve the problem. Just an idea.
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by KE4ZHN on December 14, 2011
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Don, with all due respect, trying to inform most truck drivers about illegal radio operations is akin to talking to a brick wall. Save your breath. Most just dont care one way or the other. Combine this with a basically nonexistent FCC to enforce anything and this will only get worse. Did Laura ever get her ham license yet? What a joke...our FCC enforcer doesnt even have a ticket. Not that it would matter anyway because one person simply cannot police the entire spectrum. Its very apparent that our beloved hobby is way at the bottom of the barrel in the FCC's agenda. After all, we dont bring any money into the coffers so we to them are basically just an annoyance.
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by AB9NZ on December 14, 2011
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I'm not suggesting engaging QRM'ers or unlicensed operators,but where in part 97 does it say it's illegal to talk to pirates? Just wondering ,Tom, AB9NZ, Mount Prospect, Il. http://radiotelegrapher.posterous.com/
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by KE4ZHN on December 14, 2011
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Just another thought while perusing the site...Have any of you watched IRT? You constantly see the drivers on their radios cussing up a storm and dropping F-bombs left and right. Some of the transmissions are so profanity laced that the entire transmission is one long bleep. This isnt made up just for reality TV..its exactly how many drivers talk on the air. If someone complains they simply tell them to go... themselves and go their merry way. I can just imagine a guy like Hugh Rowland getting a citation from the FCC. To him it would make great toilet paper. Because thats about as effective as our FCC is at enforcing its own rules. Used toilet paper.
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by W8AAZ on December 14, 2011
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Yea, 10 is not a harmonic of 11, but an overdriven, illegally amplified cheap radio might put out all kinds of spurious signals and sidebands. If you are getting interference from CB's at any distance, I bet it is a cinch it is not just a 5 watt radio. And then there are the intentional out-of-band operators. Perhaps you cannot talk to "pirates", but they might be considered to be illegal interference and it could be fine to crank up the kilowatt and just talk right over them. What recourse do they have?
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by AD6KA on December 14, 2011
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I would pay a reasonable yearly fee for
my ham privileges IF it lead to some real
enforcement. Say in the neighborhood of $50/year.
Of course I realize that for certain seniors and
retirees on fixed incomes this would present a hardship.
Waive the fees for retirees?
Then again, the way our govt beaucracy wastes
money, very little of that money would actually
go to hire field agents. (But I bet they would have
some nice looking offices!)
Geuss we'll just have to live with it and spin the VFO.
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by KB9TMP on December 14, 2011
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When illegals are on our bands that is ALWAYS a good time and frequency to start calling CQ, in whatever 'legal' mode and power level you have, that prevents them from using that frequency any further. We had some intruders on the lower end of 2 meters for a while doing the "Freeband CB" thing. It ended when I got on and started doing digital modes right over the top of them. They found out fast that it wasn't just "unused" spectrum. Sad thing is some of them were licensed hams and knew better.
73 KB9TMP
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by K9RJ on December 14, 2011
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Hi Tom,
Section 97.111 "Authorized Transmissions".
(a) An amateur station may transmit the following types of two-way communications:
(1) Transmissions necessary to exchange messages with other stations in the amateur service ...".
There are a few exceptions which you can read in the rest of that section but unless there is a legitimate emergency, we are not authorized to communicate with a CB station.
73
Harris K9RJ
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by W6ZKH on December 14, 2011
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Want some listening action on 10M, just tune around 28.055 mhz and listen to the nice 2 way AM conversations between truckers or even base stations. These arent converted CB rigs, but actual ham rigs they are using, as heard them saying "I am using a Yaesu FT857 mobile with a 'kicker'.." They even brag about not adhering to the CB bandplan and on their own private channels, etc.
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by W4KVW on December 14, 2011
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Go to YouTube & watch the videos of these FREEBANDERS using an ICOM 7700 & MANY other VERY "HIGH END" rigs out of the ham & CB bands.Until we started JAMMING the DEER HUNTERS here in North Florida & South Georgia the local 2 meter band sounded like the CB band.MOST of these groups have moved just above or below the 2 meter band NOW that they can finally hear each other on those frequencies! Local CB shops sell the 2 meter rigs & list them as HUNTING RADIOS on their web sites.As I posted a couple of weeks ago 10 meters has PLENTY of HAMS using CB amps & those SO CALLED 10 meter EXPORT rigs with the reverb & roger beeps that it's a shame.Band openings make it worse & using the scope on my ICOM 756 PROII makes it EASY too tell because of the bandwidth of the signals.SOME PEOPLE still think those rigs & amps are OK as long as you use them just on 10 meters but as MOST of us know they are "WRONG"!
Clayton
W4KVW
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by K9MHZ on December 14, 2011
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>>>>by W4KVW on December 14, 2011 Until we started JAMMING....<<<<
Be careful what you put on the web, Clayton.
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by K4IQT on December 14, 2011
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Keep in mind, all, that when our FCC regs are finally diluted by the politicians, then the QRM will become much, much worse. Of course, it's good for business and jobs, so don't sweat the small stuff.
Right now the regs have teeth, but the FCC is not able or perhaps willing to bite. After the next elections the regs will be gumming it. Remember that when you complain about government abrogation of your rights.
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by N3CSA on December 14, 2011
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Interesting comment about IRT... notice most of 'em have 2-meter rigs in the trucks. I emailed the producers and asked them if the drivers are licensed amateurs.
Have not seen it recently to notice if they are still filming the interiors including the ham radios...
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by W4HLN on December 14, 2011
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Whaddaya mean be CAREFULL what you put on the net?
You talking about JAMMING Deer Hunters and Truckers?
Like they are going to report you to the FCC?
Jesus Christ get a buddy and fire up the amplifiers and walk on the idiots! Your LEGAL!...If they are in the RTTY Section...SSB section or CW Section fire up and bust their damned chops if your able!
JAMMING CB'ers and TRUCK Drivers is PERFECTLY LEGAL if they are in OUR BANDS!
I've jammed the hell outta CB'ers and Truck drivers by just calling CQ! SO REPORT ME!
Ernie / W4HLN
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by K4JC on December 14, 2011
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The drivers on IRT aren't using 2 meter rigs, they're commercial Icoms on commercial freq's licensed to the shipping company (there have been other online discussions about them.) Plus of course they have regular CBs. I'm certain, though, that they don't really care about proper on-air etiquette on either band!
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by KW6LA on December 14, 2011
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There was an article called the Ten Meter Surprise on this site long ago. Not surprised to hear all the non licensed operators all over the band.
The Rtty and PSK-31 boys have done a great job of rolling over the top of these guys. They also do it to the CW ops on 40 mtrs too ! never
thought I would be on their side HI HI. Did have the same problem on 10/ AM 29.010 with a spur crapping out my receiver and the rogerbeep
like the others pointed out. They don’t like QRM just like the rest of us, so if the FCC won’t do their job I can’t think of any other solution. I
hate to sound old, but this is just one more example of the world losing its morals and scruples .
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by KX5JT on December 14, 2011
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To: Ernie W4HLN and everyone
As amateur radio operators, we SHOULD follow the rules/regulations and laws. We SHOULD be the example to follow.
Jamming/arguing/flaming/etc. others because they are not doing the right thing will never solve anything and usually only makes the situation worse by raising negative emotions. First of all it's childish. Second of all it is illegal.
Yes, the FCC does not have the money or the manpower to pursue petty complaints unless it's negatively affecting a public service or commercial entity, so even though I will forward this over to the FCC for them to take a look at, I doubt anything will be done.
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by KX5JT on December 14, 2011
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Jamming is NOT LEGAL on our bands. You are wrong.
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by KX5JT on December 14, 2011
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PART 97 subsection 101
§97.101 General standards. -
(a) In all respects not specifically covered by FCC Rules each amateur station must be operated in accordance with good engineering and good amateur practice.
b and c not applicable to this discussion
(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.
WHAT PART OF SECTION (d) DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???
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by WM5S on December 14, 2011
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Guys this is not the old days when the FCC cared about the ham band or cb...The FCC is broke down government agency that has a hell of lot more to worry than little boys and there toys....They are to busy playing around with stuff that makes them money, not trying to fine a guy with icom7000 in his truck going down the hyw....Hell we will be lucky if there is any control in the next 10 years!
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by WM5S on December 14, 2011
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Guys this is not the old days when the FCC cared about the ham band or cb...The FCC is broke down government agency that has a hell of lot more to worry than little boys and there toys....They are to busy playing around with stuff that makes them money, not trying to fine a guy with icom7000 in his truck going down the hyw....Hell we will be lucky if there is any control in the next 10 years!
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by WM5S on December 14, 2011
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Guys this is not the old days when the FCC cared about the ham band or cb...The FCC is broke down government agency that has a hell of lot more to worry than little boys and there toys....They are to busy playing around with stuff that makes them money, not trying to fine a guy with icom7000 in his truck going down the hyw....Hell we will be lucky if there is any control in the next 10 years!
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by WM5S on December 14, 2011
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Guys this is not the old days when the FCC cared about the ham band or cb...The FCC is broke down government agency that has a hell of lot more to worry than little boys and there toys....They are to busy playing around with stuff that makes them money, not trying to fine a guy with icom7000 in his truck going down the hyw....Hell we will be lucky if there is any control in the next 10 years!
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by K5END on December 15, 2011
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If the government can't or won't respond to pirate, harmonic or even licensed ham interference effectively, the ARRL--or even a new, specialized organization--would be able to help us.
All that is needed is an organized, documented process for us to report harmful interference to a team, who then can formalize the complaint and submit it to the FCC for legal action.
That seems to be how bureaucracy (and legislation) works now. The leg work is done by outside parties, and the government then takes action.
The old days of proactive Federal enforcement may be gone--for better or worse.
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by K5END on December 15, 2011
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To the author:
Well-written article, by the way.
Good points and good, organized presentation.
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by K5END on December 15, 2011
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RE: W6ZPC
You make a good point about the harmonics and mixing.
However, consider that (as you know) spurious emissions can appear lots of places, and even BELOW the fundamental. I saw a case like this years ago. I didn't believe it at first. It was a 300 watt VHF FM transmitter whose antenna had been "removed" from the tower by lightning. It still keyed up normally and, paired with the unmatched load, it caused a few problems. The waveform on the spectrum analyzer was..."interesting."
The lesson I learned was "anything goes" when a system is damaged, unmatched or overpowered.
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by W8JI on December 15, 2011
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PART 97 subsection 101(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal. >>>
Actually, the FCC considers any unauthorized or illegal transmission as not have ANY protection at all.
The FCC has consistantly ruled protection rules, such as in 97.101(d), as only applying to legal transmissions.
If a transmission or signal is unauthorized for the frequency or band, and is not engaged in life or death traffic, it is just as if it has no protection at all.
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by AB9NZ on December 15, 2011
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Harris said "Hi Tom,
Section 97.111 "Authorized Transmissions".
(a) An amateur station may transmit the following types of two-way communications:
(1) Transmissions necessary to exchange messages with other stations in the amateur service ...".
There are a few exceptions which you can read in the rest of that section but unless there is a legitimate emergency, we are not authorized to communicate with a CB station.
73
Harris K9RJ"
Thanks Harris, Tom,AB9NZ
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by KB9TMP on December 15, 2011
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by KX5JT on December 14, 2011
"PART 97 subsection 101
§97.101 General standards. -
(a) In all respects not specifically covered by FCC Rules each amateur station must be operated in accordance with good engineering and good amateur practice.
b and c not applicable to this discussion
(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.
WHAT PART OF SECTION (d) DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??? "
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Sorry OM but "freeband", "non-licensed", and "out of band" transmissions are NOT RADIO COMMUNICATIONS or SIGNALS legally, so they are not covered by section d. They are malicious interference to us, the legal users of the band.
73 KB9TMP
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by W7ETA on December 15, 2011
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Nice prose.
In a few years you'll be able to work tons of JAs on 10 meters with low power.
This sunspot cycle you might be able to work tons of JAs on 6 meters also.
Course as 10 opens up more and more, and for longer distances, you'll hear tons of non hams every 10 Kcs.
When the sun spot cycle hits the trough ten is quiet which attracts illegal operators.
As ten opens, the people who are used to stealing use of that spectrum are reluctant to find other spectrum to steal.
During the last sun spot peak, or was it the one before?, I would spot AM or SSB sigs from truckers on ten meters and ask other hams to start Qs on the spotted frequency. After a few months I gave up--no response from other hams.
Last sun spot cycle the FCC did track down truckers who were stealing spectrum on one frequency.
The rumor I remember is that if you tape the illegals, send it to the FCC with documentation they will look into it if they receive enough recordings, and they happen to be in the area of the illegals.
But above all, have TONS of FUN "playing radio".
Oh. I used to play on 10 meters when I first got my tickets using a converted CB beam mounted a few feet above my one story house. Even though it was quite low it was more effective than an omni-directional antenna.
73
Bob
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by KH6DC on December 15, 2011
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While not encouraged but it was funny. I was checking out 10m which I haven't for several years and came across several local CB'ers. They must have been putting out 1500w + beacuse they were hitting my needle 40 over s9. This was on the edge of the voice portion then I heard a CW'er tune up at full power then called cq at 20+ WPM. It sounded like 30 wpm and he just went on for 15 minutes, just calling cq then signing with his callsign. Man he and chased those ba$tard$ away which was way coool.
73 Delwyn KH6DC
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by W4HLN on December 15, 2011
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If YOUR operating Illegaly you have NO PROTECTION under FCC LAWS!
Ernie / W4HLN
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by W4KVW on December 15, 2011
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To whom it may concern! I use "LEGAL" gear on a LEGAL 2 METER frequency & LEGAL modes of operation that does NOT allow those whom are NOT "AUTHORIZED" on that band or frequency to COMMUNICATE in ANY FORM or FASHION! Call it what you want but ME using the 2 METER BAND for HAM RADIO is 100% "LEGAL" & I will CONTINUE to do so 24/7 ANYTIME I hear such communications & that is a FACT NOT a RUMOR! }:>)
Clayton
W4KVW
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by K1DA on December 15, 2011
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My opinion is that illegal operations are NOT protected from "interference" caused by LEGAL operations, however consider that you may be "transmitting over" a signal being DFed by, shall we say, "the company", at the time. I recall an instance back in the 80 meter "AM" days when a "radio cop" bragged he had dimed out to the "company" a young kid, just licensed, for exceeding (in the cop's opinion) 100% modulation, later the "cop" was heard whining that HE received a citation for the same thing, the same day. There's a lesson there about atttracting attention. Once the ticket pad comes out, they write EVERYBODY.
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by WB6MMJ on December 15, 2011
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I`ve been licensed for a few years now and every cycle we go through this.
The F.C.C. doesn`t seem to care about the interference and nothing gets done each cycle.
We Amateurs get upset and say "this has to stop" and it doesn`t.
I think the answer is to just to give the band to the chicken banders in swap for a band they can`t modify their dirty radio`s to go to. Of course, the F.C.C. would have to get off of their bum and do some work and that, of course, will not happen.
As long as there is CB and we have the 10 meter band we are going to be over-run by the "rogers on that" nuts. Oh wait! That`s right. I hear the "rogers on that" guys on 40 meters and they are licensed hams. Wonder where they came from?
Thank you ARRL and the F.C.C. for your help in keeping watch on our bands and keeping the license standerds high enough to keep the low life`s out of our bands.
Yea, right!
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by KD4LLA on December 15, 2011
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"by N3CSA on December 14, 2011
Interesting comment about IRT... notice most of 'em have 2-meter rigs in the trucks. I emailed the producers and asked them if the drivers are licensed amateurs.
Have not seen it recently to notice if they are still filming the interiors including the ham radios..."
As a former Alaskan truck driver, I will tell you, those are 2 meter radios in the trucks. FT-2500's used to be the favorite "big radio". Thing is, when you are on the 400 mile road trip from Fairbanks to Prudhoe Bay, who is going to hear any interference on VHF? Very, very few, maybe a handful, of souls live along the haul road permanently.
None of the radios I ever saw were programmed for amateur freqs (mostly (+/-) 155 mhz). The radios are mostly programmed for the other trucking and Alyeska Pipeline Service company frequencies.
If you haven't been there, you don't understand that conditions can be life and death on the haul road. Knowing the hazards of the road ahead is far more important than any man-made rule.
Besides, if it had not been for IRT, you would not have had any clue as to what happens daily in Alaska...
Mike
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by KT4EP on December 16, 2011
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I've not experienced this on 28 mhz but possibly on 20 meters, of course it wouldn't be the CB reason, but I think a couple of times in the evening while using psk on 20 meters to the northeast U.S. I was deliberately interfered with, not like some one accidentally transmitting over me, either.
Fees -- exempt retirees and seniors? I would like to see the numbers, but from my experience it seems many of us are in one of those groups, so there might not be much $$ flowing into the coffers from the younger crowd.
Keith
KT4EP
Bartlett Tn
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by WD5CBO on December 16, 2011
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Not long ago,I was calling CQ on 10 meters around 28.530 and a guy using a call 28W1002 answered saying he had a copy on me.
Instead of taking the hard line approach,I told him in an informative way that he was operating in the Amateur 10 meter band and that he was violating FCC rules by operating there.
He actually apologized saying he didn't know what Ham radio was and that he had recently purchased the radio and was simply calling people that he could hear.
After a short explanation that he was required to pass a test and have a license to operate,he said he would not transmit on any frequency that showed 28 MHZ on the readout.
I thanked him for understanding what he was doing wrong and never heard anything more out of him.
It works sometimes and sometimes it don't.
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by WD5GWY on December 16, 2011
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Well, here is a good one for you. I drive a truck for a living. (rock truck in the oilfield) A couple of evenings ago, we were heading home. Having the usual chit-chat (not all truckers cuss continually, unless some 4 wheeler pulls out in front of us an causes a near miss and a heart attack). Some joker starts calling
CQ, CQ, CQ, Ten Meters.......on channel 23 using AM.
And he gave his Amateur Call sign. This went on for several minutes. Finally, I could not contain myself.
I answered (not using my Amateur Call sign) and asked him if he knew he was transmitting on 11 meters. He said he was a LEGAL AMATEUR RADIO operator and had a LEGAL license and that he WAS on 10 meters, not 11 meters and that I had better get off of 10 meters because it was unlawful for a CB'er to be on 10 meters!
I answered back, yes it is unlawful for a CB'er to be on 10 meters. But, YOU are NOT on 10 meters! He argued and argued that he was too on 10 meters. That he had just got his radio back from a repair shop and it was working properly. I told him he was an idiot if he did not know enough about his equipment to know where he was operating. He just ignored me and went back to calling CQ over and over. He would never tell me the kind of radio he was using. It had good AM quality. But, he could not be convinced that he was not on 10 meters.
SO, said all this to say, that not all Amateur Radio operators know what they are doing. Anymore than all CB'ers (including truckers) know what they are doing. And not all CB'ers, including truckers, are running illegal radios. Like everything else, a few bad apples spoil things for the rest of the decent folks. (witness 14.313)
james
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by K5END on December 16, 2011
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James,
It sounds like he may have (unknowingly) had a ham radio that someone had modified to use as an illegal CB radio, with extra power and all that.
Just a guess.
73
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by WD5GWY on December 16, 2011
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K5END,
You may well be right about that. And he could have been a new Tech that was not familiar with his equipment.
I tried to talk to him reasonably. But, he would not listen to reason. I asked a couple of times what kind of radio he had, what type of display etc. Something to identify his equipment to help him see that "maybe" he might have a problem. No dice. He was convinced that some marauding CB'er had come up on 10 meters and interfered with his attempts to have a qso.
It was funny in a way, but, at the same time, I found it
sad, because it was apparent to me that he had no guidance as far as Amateur Radio was concerned.
Hopefully, he will find a Elmer somewhere that will help him.
james
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by KE4ZHN on December 17, 2011
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K4JC - Ive seen short camera shots of some of the rigs with Ranger 2950's in them illegally converted to 11m in the cabs quite a few times as well. Those fella's may be Industry Canada's problem but our truck drivers are just as bad so whats the difference? The point is, we havent had effective FCC enforcement in the U.S. since budget cuts shut down all the monitoring stations. Putting one lawyer in charge of enforcement is both lame and ineffective as can be proven just by tuning around the bands. This country seems to have trillions to waste on wars, feel good social programs for illegal aliens, feel good programs for welfare recipients and other assorted nonsense, but not a penny for real FCC enforcement. This just tells me how low we are on the governments list of priorities. If the feds dont wake up soon, the entire radio spectrum in this country will turn to chaos since we seem so lackluster in actually punishing those who break the law on the airwaves.
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by WA4UF on December 17, 2011
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Heh... my Inner Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theorist (tm) insists that since ham radio is a form of communications that is available to anyone with a license and a radio, and is difficult or impossible to monitor, censor and control 24/7, that They(tm) would LOVE for it to degenerate into unusable, QRM-ridden chaos. That's what BPL was for, after all! :-)
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by K8QV on December 17, 2011
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Nobody has been able to explain to me how a government can own the RF spectrum any more than they can claim ownership of the visible light spectrum, or the air itself. Just saying.
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by WO4V on December 17, 2011
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Man, some of y'all are gonna have a stroke if you keep this up....
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by K9MHZ on December 18, 2011
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>>>>by W8JI on December 15, 2011
....Actually, the FCC considers any unauthorized or illegal transmission as not have ANY protection at all.....<<<<
Actually, you're confusing the debate. Nobody is arguing that an unlicensed station has any rights or protections on our bands.
The issue is what YOU'RE authorized to do on the bands, and that's essentially testing and TWO-WAY communication. No, you're not authorized to "jam" on the ham bands just because you're licensed to operate on them.
As a practical matter though, a 100% duty cycle mode of transmission between hams on a frequency used by the unlicensed buttheads sounds like a pretty good way to go. And, is the FCC going to come knocking if you're "jamming" on a ham band? Probably not.
It seems silly to announce on the web: "yeah, boy I'll tell ya what....I jammed this guy and that guy....."
But hey, do what you want.
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by KA1PPV on December 18, 2011
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That's OK. Let the guy call CQ on 11m until he looses his voice. He'll then get frustrated at the lack response to his CQ's, turn off the radio and whine that there isn't anyone on 10m anymore.
Problem solved.
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by WD5GWY on December 18, 2011
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I like that! A couple of the drivers that were running with me asked if there were many hams like that. I told them that there were probably quite a few and that it was just like anything else, there are a few people that just don't get it. Hopefully, this particular guy will find someone that he will listen to, that can guide him. Other than that, I guess it will be like you said and he will get frustrated and turn the radio off.
(which he must have because after about 10 minutes or so, we couldn't hear him anymore.
james
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by KE8DO on December 18, 2011
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On 27.475 MHz LSB I heard a guy using a fake CB call say that he was in Indiana running an Icom 756 pro and an ALA 1200 "box" running 1500 watts output. No roger beeps heard. 73 Don KE8DO
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by KG0MN on December 19, 2011
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I have a friend that works for the FCC and he is also a ham operator, For years he worked out of Grand Island, NE and anyone that knows that area will know where he worked. When I asked him recently if they really cared what happened on 11 meters and how they felt about the intrusions we are seeing on 10 meters. He said he is just as frustrated as we are but this type of monitoring has taken a second seat to the need to monitor for homeland security issues, He told me he and other would like to think hams are capable of self-policing and that until priorities shift in the FCC's monitoring it will likely get worse before it gets better.
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by K9MHZ on December 19, 2011
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I remember back in the 80's in CA, there was a guy who lived up in the Sierra foothills who was the go-to source for anything illegal on the 11 and 10 meter bands. He did have a ham call, but was smart enough to never list anything on the local swapnets (yes, they are legal....you just can't negotiate or close a deal on the air).
Anyway, the local hams were a great bunch of guys and they told this bozo repeatedly to knock it off. The sad part was that this guy probably would have been one heck of a ham gear dealer if he would have just gotten his mind right. But stubbornness replaced common sense, so nothing was going to get through to him.
Finally, after more of his customers were heard on 10 meters during that sunspot cycle, enough was enough. Local hams went to the FCC and they basically were told the same thing as above. Not to be deterred though, the local guys put together a complete info package on where to find this guy and where his clandestine business operated from. Even the hidden store room and secret drawers were described in detail. The FCC jumped at the chance to get out of the office for an afternoon road trip and paid him a very expensive (for him) visit. For the FCC guys, it was just a turn-key deal....no fuss, no muss.
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by NL7SX on December 19, 2011
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If you want to see messes/pileups during the peak of cycle 24 just aim your beam to the orient. Everybody is slithering and sliding over each other on ANY frequency that works. I see only one answer....good equipment....good antennas....lots of power and careful thought about what battles you can win and what battles you will lose. The Japanese (the best, most civil and considerate operators in the world) have been dealing with this for much longer than stateside hams. Jamming is a symptom of weakness, a waste of time and energy.
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by K4KWH on December 20, 2011
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We had a great opportunity under Riley H's watch to make a huge dent in the problem. He asked US to locate, monitor, and REPORT the presence of the chicken band goons on our bands. Instead,we whined, moaned and complained just like we are doing now! The answer is STILL to monitor, locate, and report their presence. The majority of the ones *I* hear are truckers who think they've got "this h'yar extree channel thar" available for their exclusive use. They have neither the knowledge nor the courtesy to stay out of bands upon which they don't belong.
FCC DOES respond to complaints; no complaints, no problem in their eyes. So it is up to US to generate complaints in sufficient number to get their attention. It is best done by hams with HF mobiles to catch these clowns. I caught a BUNCH of them by simply driving on trips, errands and vacations. Simply by driving! HOW? Often these people cannot resist an unusual antenna (such as a screwdriver)and, thinking in their ignorant CB way, they assume it is a "CB reddio thar", and they would hail me on 28.085 AM. BINGO! GOTCHA! I now know which truck it is, and can obtain the particulars: company name, tractor # (most all companies number their equipment), date/time/location/MP #. All without saying a single word (tho it is tempting to tell 'em how stupid they are!). This was forwarded to RH who then reported the results on the ARRL Letter. It had several affects. One was, these warnings to the companies caused many of the illegal sets to be pulled OUT of the trucks by decree of the company itself under threat of firing the driver for committing an illegal act and even having such a radio installed. Another affect was, it spread like wildfire thru the trucker "word of mouth" all up and down the highways that FCC had popped some drivers for "tawkin' on them spay-shul channels thar". For example, if you recall there were a good number of truckers reported on ARRL Letter up and down Interstate 85 and I-77. It got so that I rarely heard a "local" trucker operating on those highways---only distant "skip" stations on AM. I even heard a couple of them talking about "them SOB hammies that 'ratted us out so we cain't use *our* channel".
I will tell you it gave me quite a good feeling of revenge against a group I hold in dripping contempt to simply drive along allowing them in their singular stupidity to "catch" THEMSELVES!!!!!!!
That is what needs to happen NOW: Enough hams who are sick enough of their **** to DO something about it and get out there and start listening. It is especially those who have unusual HF antennas that are the best "bait". The truckers'll never know what hit 'em!!!!! Until that happens, we will sit on forums and whine and complain til doomsday with nothing being done. Unless WE ourselves DO something about it, generate enough noise, FCC sees no problem.
One last comment about "jamming". It is NOT "illegal" for an amateur to USE the frequency for its intended purpose despite the presence of illegal stations. If you interpret the rules literally, we are illegal by participating in a PILEUP. The Part 97 Rule is intended to apply to LEGAL vs. LEGAL stations, NOT to give some sort of protection to some illegal two-digit IQ clown who isn't supposed to be there to start with: THAT, my friends, is just.....well, stoopid!!!!!!! You actually mean to tell me that I must stop transmitting and YIELD to an non-authorized station simply because that illegal station has chosen to ignore the law and place a signal on the air with complete disregard to *MY* license and privileges granted under the law? SO, if I choose to do so, I can and WILL transmit a CW CQ on 28 Megs within the band plan and agreements and if it happens to interfere with some chicken bander, All THE BETTER!!!!! :( So long as I don't intentionally interfere with another LEGAL station. That illegal station can go to **** as far as I am concerned!
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by K9MHZ on December 20, 2011
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One last comment about "jamming". It is NOT "illegal" for an amateur to USE the frequency for its intended purpose despite the presence of illegal stations. If you interpret the rules literally, we are illegal by participating in a PILEUP. The Part 97 Rule is intended to apply to LEGAL vs. LEGAL stations, NOT to give some sort of protection to some illegal two-digit IQ clown who isn't supposed to be there to start with: THAT, my friends, is just.....well, stoopid!!!!!!! You actually mean to tell me that I must stop transmitting and YIELD to an non-authorized station simply because that illegal station has chosen to ignore the law and place a signal on the air with complete disregard to *MY* license and privileges granted under the law?<<<<
Not a single person on this entire thread has suggested that. I don't know how you're inferring this.
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by WD5GWY on December 23, 2011
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K4KWH, you seem to really hate Truck Drivers and have a running vendetta against them. Your descriptions of how truckers talk, which is VERY inaccurate, displays that hate. There are truckers that are exactly like what you describe,and there are a LOT of non-truckers the same way. Some call them freebanders, I call them idiots.
Every trucker I have encountered that was talking out of band, has moved off when it was explained to them they were outside of the privileges allowed them on 11 meters. I have not heard in years any truckers on 10 meters. I have heard freebanders that are NOT truck drivers, talking between 10 & 11 meters, and below 11 meters. To lay the blame for all the incursions that
occur on 10 meters on truckers, is ridiculous and shows a very slanted outlook. I can only speculate that you had an encounter with a truck driver that has made you hate them like you do.
Like any other profession, trucking has it's share of bad apples. But, it is silly to label all of them as outlaws or worse, because of a few bad apples.
Remember, there is nothing you own or have purchased, that did not at one time ride on a truck. Without trucks, we would all be walking and eating locally grown food and living a completely different life.
james
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Yes, I'm a truck driver and have been one for over 40 years. Been a ham 38 of those years too. And I have rarely met anyone that talks or acts like you describe, driving a truck.
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by N9AVY on December 23, 2011
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The "intruder" problem has been with a long time on 10 & 12 m. On 10m, 28.085 seems to be a favorite for the truckers. They're not licensed for that frequency; therefore, they don't exist. I've found that a really good RTTY signal really annoys them and they move. I do a legitimate test with lots of RYRYRY's to keep them occupied and of course I do ID to keep it legal. They go away. We need to do more of this with amps.
The FCC really doesn't do anything these days as some have commented. I have visions of running through a truck stop with an ax and smashing all those illegal radios ....
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by WD5GWY on December 24, 2011
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Wow, such hate.......sad too. 99% of those illegal radios you are so upset about are not in trucks. They are in people's homes and cars. I've monitored 28.085 listening for those illegal trucker operators off and on for years. And for some reason, the only thing I have heard in that range are CW and digital signals. No AM or
SSB signals. Except for a few Mexican Taxi drivers in years past, it has been a long time since I have actually heard anyone that I could definitely ID as a truck driver.
Being a trucker and an Amateur Radio operator, I have had a lot of conversations with other drivers who ask about what radio I use. I explain that I have a CB and an amateur rig. And those that I know that do have the so-called 10 meter Amateur radios, I have explained that there are places they do NOT need to use them. Some had no idea that those "extra channels" (never heard Xtreee Chanuls) were illegal to use.
Most of those guys are just out there trying to make a living and feed their families. And the last thing they want is to get caught doing something illegal and getting fined.
There are idiots in every crowd. And trucking is no exception. But, to label them all as being outlaws and using illegal radios is simply wrong.
Oh, and as far as your dream with the axe, I'd keep it as a dream. Reality might be very bad. Lots of truckers have Concealed Carry permits. Good way to get oneself shot doing things like you talk about.
Again, so much hate for a group of people that are really no different than yourself. Just out trying to make a living and do their job.
james
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by NZ9Y on December 24, 2011
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>>>>>>by KX5JT on December 14, 2011
"PART 97 subsection 101
§97.101 General standards. -
(a) In all respects not specifically covered by FCC Rules each amateur station must be operated in accordance with good engineering and good amateur practice.
b and c not applicable to this discussion
(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.
WHAT PART OF SECTION (d) DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??? "
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Sorry OM but "freeband", "non-licensed", and "out of band" transmissions are NOT RADIO COMMUNICATIONS or SIGNALS legally, so they are not covered by section d. They are malicious interference to us, the legal users of the band.
73 KB9TMP
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Sorry, the part does NOT read.....
Legal communication.
Authorized communication.
Appropriate communication.
In band communication.
Licensed communication.
Other amatuers.
It reads ANY radio communication or signal. If you interfere with ANY radio communication or signal, legal or not, unless your transmission is an emergency you re breaking the rules. Yes, even calling CQ know ing you are walking on a freebander.
Now the FCC would never in a million years find against YOU for doing so as that would mean they would have to protect an illegal operator. Or maybe they would and then lower the boom on the illegal station.
But, I can guarantee this, if this situation were to go to court, the jury would be instructed to determine if jamming the illegal station was in violation and to disregard the original illegal operators actions as a different case.
Its sort of like a case where someone breaks into a house, robs and assults the occupants and the man of the house grabs his rifle and shoots the perp in the back from a block away as he flees.
Yes the robber was commiting a crime, and it may seem MORALLY right to take action so he can't do it to another, but it is still illegal to interfere with his escape by using deadly force.
I WANT you to be right here, but unfortunately you aren't. But please don't let me stop anyone else from jamming freebanders. I can always listen and smile. :)
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by K4KWH on December 29, 2011
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WD5GWY,
No, you are wrong. I have utter contempt for not only truckers who show up on 10 Meters, but any clown who invades spectrum. I regard them at a level of the stupidity they demonstrate by being there to begin with. I can understand that, being a truck driver would lead you to "circle the wagons" in alarm at any criticism of this group of which you are a part. It is natural that you might come to the aid of the trucking industry in protest of such criticism. However, the fact is, it IS the trucking industry that first brought the problem of 10 Meter incursions to the forefront along with the truckstop outlets who sell the so-called "10 meter" 'amateur' radios that have the "extree channels" so coveted by the outlaw faction of the industry and those who have this addition to CB radios and being a "cowboy" who can't be tamed. Surely, these are, indeed, in the minority in the overall scheme of things, and I realize most drivers use legal 40 channel CB radios, and (maybe) a wee bit of heat (chuckle, snort wink-wink). I have NO problem with that so long as they stay OFF the amateur bands and certain other military frequencies for which I am authorized. The moment they put their over-modulated, over-powered, "beeped and squeaked", AM trash reddio on there, I WILL look for them, and IF I can find them, trucker or no, I WILL report these findings to the Feds. I will also USE the bands for which I have authorization without hesitation and in according with proper protocol, within the rules of that service, the presence of illegal two-digit IQ CB clowns not withstanding, making sure that I do not intentionally interfere with other LEGAL stations to the best of my ability.
I have NO problem with the trucking industry, and I have a surprise for you: I once drove trucks, both straight, van trailer, and low-boy. It is ONLY for those who feel they have some "right" to filch spectrum from other users that I have contempt and disrespect for, and I will continue to do so! These CB clowns, driver or no, have NO business on those frequencies. I also find that those who speak in the manner to which I have referred also tend to speak in that hick-ish CB way that reflects their intelligence of lack thereof.
We have the ability to have a huge influence in stopping these incursions, whomever they may be. And that is by mobile intervention. Simply LISTENING as you drive. Having a big old ugly screwdriver pulls 'em outta the woodwork!!! They can't STAND it! They gotta know what "that 'tar AN-tann-er is"! And it is FUNNY to watch them trap themselves because they are too ignorant to know that that radio puts them outside the CB band. After all, in THEIR minds, EVERYTHING is a "CB" right? So they'll hail you, make comments about why that 'air 4-wheeler ain't got no ears thar!' YOU, oth, don't break any laws by keeping quiet while you record their info; tractor #, co. name, location, exit, frequency, mode, time of day, direction of travel and forward it to FCC. I used one of those little keyring dongles to verbally record the info. The driver can't see what you are doing; it looks like a mike and makes him think you are answering him. It-DOES-WORK! The companies don't want any trouble with the Feds.
Try it! IT has nothing to do with hating truckers, but despising those who filch our bands. I'd like to see every truck with an illegal "10 Meter' reddio' SNATCHED out of the trucks and BURNED before their very eyes! Every illegal CB house raided!
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by KD6KWZ on December 30, 2011
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I'm also seeing "10 meter" radios with 300 watts RF, channel display, but no frequency display, no CW or SSB, & echo features. Likely these are easy to convert to 11 meters use.
I do hear some "diffuse" signals on 10 meters at times, low level, but wide band. I can't tell if they are very strong 11 meter signal affect my rig's front end, or if it's a weak, direct spurious signal.
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by KC5CQD on January 1, 2012
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Ahhh....but that sword cuts both ways. What about all of those hams (and they are legion!) that are down on 11 meters, running their converted ham rigs and running their linears? I know quite a few hams that own and operate illegally converted "Cobras", "Rangers", "Unidens" and "Galaxys". If the FCC ever cracked down, there would be a whole lot of licensed amateurs that would be losing their tickets!!
No matter how you as a proud, licensed ham may feel about the situation, the bottom line is simply that the FCC sees the crap that goes on with CBers and Hams alike as a "victimless crime". As long as no one is stepping on the toes of the commercial stations, they don't give a damn. Does anyone really think that the FCC is going to waste the time, energy and money to TRY and bust some redneck running a 100 watts from his Galaxy and cussing on channel 17? Or up on 28.410.00? They probably actually laugh at the complaint calls and letters. Get real. Same goes for amateur operators. I've monitored the bullshit and filth on the 20M and 80M bands for years and NOTHING has ever been done about any of it. And these guys give out their callsigns! They're really easy to find.
It's a lost cause and getting worked up about it is pointless. I honestly think that within another ten to twenty years, there will be no more licensing. Period! Many bands will be stripped away for government/commercial use and the remaining bands will become just like 11 meters. Open to anyone with the money to buy a radio. Mark my words.
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by K4KWH on January 1, 2012
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And so long as WE sit here griping and complaining and whining about it, it WILL be exactly as you say. But I KNOW how it works. FCC is *COMPLAINT-DRIVEN*. No complaints, there is NO problem---in THEIR eyes. Until WE show we are willing to protect what we worked for, then you are exactly right: nothing will EVER be done. If we were to generate enough complaints, FCC would respond to it. Witness the Beloit, Wis. case that ultimately resulted in Public Law 106-521 ( believe it was). The people got FED UP with the CB nonsense and DID something about it. It didn't go far enough, IMHO, but it was a start. WE sit here and whine and moan, over and over and over. The ONLY way anything will EVER be done about CB-type interference on our bands is for US to get up off our duffs and DO something about it in the way I described above! Monitor, document, report. When FCC receives enough complaints, they WILL react to it. I have personal experience with it. A FEW of us DID do something about it resulting in warning letters to many, many trucking companies such as Dowell Express, FedEx, UPS, Roadway,----a long list of companies got popped. Think of the result of having just ONE company forcing the removal of those so-called "10 Meter 'amateur' Radios". It can affect hundreds of drivers!!!!!!! But it can't happen unless WE get involved. If we don't, we'll get exactly what we bargained for!
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by K4KWH on January 4, 2012
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I am thoroughly amazed that hams believe that a signal that has no business BEING there to start with has some sort of protection from "interference". It is sheer absurdity to interpret that rule that way. It is NOT the intent of the law: that has been fully explained by FCC. What you are saying is, a LEGALLY licensed station must stand by if he hears some CB chicken band clown occupying an amateur frequency. That, in effect, negates YOUR rightful privilege to USE what you OBEYED the law for, and says the unauthorized station has "rights" over YOU. That is simply utter BULL****! Likewise, I have also been a Communications Officer that uses USAF frequencies, and such communications is governed by NTIA. Again, in THAT case, we are not required to shut down in the presence of a bootleg operator, but may carry out whatever communications we see fit, including talking OVER such interference as we also submit reports thru channels to USAF Frequency Management. The military is NOT going to stop transmitting because of some two-digit clown, and WE, by law, do NOT have to. Besides the military station "handshake" signal drives 'em nuts!
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by VA3MLV on January 9, 2012
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I know exactly what all you guys mean because in my area theirs wanna be operators that have no clue on what and how a real operator should operate like, and they have the worst type of vocabulary,they know who they are.
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by KN4X on January 14, 2012
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Much could be done on the trucker issue by cracking down on one company, Uniden. Uniden must Import these radios that are named after dead Presidents so that they apply the decals and "Export" them to "legal" destinations. It'd been that way for years.
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by WA2NTK on January 15, 2012
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When the early morning Rooster Net was besieged by a licensed ham radio operator all of the jamming was recorded and sent along to the FCC covered by full documentation of the event. After carefull consideration of all of the facts the FCC's pin head amatuer radio enforcer stated in a letter to the Rooster Net that all of the profanity, name calling, transmissions to no one and the singing were a LEGAL form of transmissions protected by the right of freedom of speech. The jamming would only be addressed if a pattern of misuse of the frequency could be proven over time. Effectively there is no current enforcement and to survive we the amateur radio community will have to come up with some form of creative situations to protect our own spectrum. I know for a fact that these intruders do not like our use of the digital modes. If you are going to sit back and defend their unlicensed use of our spectrum then you are part of the problem. It's clear that the FCC has no desire to deal with these problems. In fact the FCC would like to take some of our current frequency allocations and sell them for use in commercial applicatrions. Let's see... amatuer radio or the billions, yes that's correct BILLIONS that some of are frequencies are worth. Do you honestly think that the FCC will protect our interests. I think not. Ralph WA2NTK
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RE: 28 MHz Interference Observation:
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by K1MIZ on January 20, 2012
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by KE8DO on December 18, 2011
On 27.475 MHz LSB I heard a guy using a fake CB call say that he was in Indiana running an Icom 756 pro and an ALA 1200 "box" running 1500 watts output. No roger beeps heard. 73 Don KE8DO
I am curious at what your definition is in regards to what the difference is between "a fake cb call sign" and "a real cb call sign" is?
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RE: 28 MHz Interference Observation:
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by K1MIZ on January 20, 2012
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Arguing about this and thats of the hams vs cbers and the activities of both is like arguing about the abuse of the public welfare system. Its a long lost battle. You are all wasting your breath. You must learn to live w your enemies. Adapt and over come. If not, you will be having these arguments until the day you die. I cant believe how much thread space this topic has taken up.
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RE: 28 MHz Interference Observation:
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by AC7CW on January 21, 2012
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We could use an ALE system. If interference was getting through on a certain frequency it would mean that freq was open. Just send a message to all the ALE operators and establish a link and talk over the CBer's.. This would not work if they were transmitting in their actual CB band and splattering of course but we could then become instant CB'ers and extend our ALE capabilities into the CB band...
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RE: 28 MHz Interference Observation:
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by KD8Z on January 23, 2012
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WB6MMJ Said;
I think the answer is to just to give the band to the chicken banders in swap for a band they can`t modify their dirty radio`s to go to. Of course, the F.C.C. would have to get off of their bum and do some work and that, of course, will not happen.
But apparently they go way out of band at least on the IRT show, they have VHF equipment so that kind of makes that thought moot. CB'ers will always be CB'ers no matter what the law reads or what the FCC does. The children's band is only valuable to the truck drivers for on the road info. Truckers are not exactly the most law abiding bunch to pick up a mic, but they are indeed some of the most regulated folks around. The way to stop the truck driver portion of the 10 mtr invasion is to contact all the trucking companies and threten them with FCC inspections. But of course that will never happen because of the Governmental lack of funding. hi hi!!!!
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