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Project 'Take Back 146.52'

from The Unusual Suspects Amateur Radio Group on January 24, 2012
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Just about every ham either knows about, or has experienced, first hand, the consequences of operating on 14.275 or 14.313. Many hams have had to lick their wounds after having ventured into those territories. Local hams in San Antonio, Bexar County and surrounding Texas counties are quite aware of the similar situation on 146.52 where two operators have "owned" and ruined that frequency for years. Newly licensed technicians who dutifully go to 146.52 as a calling frequency, quickly learn the nefarious side of ham radio, as they end up on the receiving end of nearly every violation in the book, to include being cussed out on the air.

The two 146.52 frequency "owners" go beyond being just LID operators; they devote full time to the demise and character assassinations of decent law-abiding local hams who use the spectrum for its intended purpose. Ongoing efforts to document their destructive transmissions to the FCC have, so far, yielded no discernible results.

Even after warnings from the FCC to take it off the air, they continue with the activities of attacking “newbies” and visitors to the San Antonio area. These two individuals are personally responsible for driving more new ham radio operators off the air within months or weeks of gaining a license than any other single event.

What is truly disgusting and an extreme disappointment to the local Amateur community are the other wise good ham radio operators who know full well who and what these individuals are and exactly what they do to the Amateur Radio Community but still offer them support and encouragement by carrying on conversations with them. These two individuals look upon those other wise good hams as validation that they are supported in the attacks they perform and it only offers them encouragement.

The local amateur radio community is fed up. They want an end to the cycle of radio terrorism that these individuals perform on a daily bases.

And so, the [non-profit] Unusual Suspects group has launched an initiative called, "Take Back 146.52." Accordingly, the Unusual Suspects have aligned with the local Ham Radio community throughout Bexar County to promote the legal and positive use of 146.52 through the use of positive conversations and support for newly licensed hams. The "rules of engagement," are simply to ignore all transmissions of the two frequency "owners" and to avoid reacting to their taunting and personal attacks. "Take Back" means to return the frequency back to normal, respectable, amateur use for all operators. Letters of intent have been sent to both the FCC and to the ARRL, with emphasis that the "Take Back" effort will foster adherence to FCC regulations and cordial, friendly use of the frequency.

The two "bad guys" have continued their efforts to ridicule and taunt decent operators, although it appears that the positive efforts of law abiding users have been productive enough to justify continuing the "Take Back 146.52" program.

We invite concerned hams, worldwide, to look at and comment on our difficult, but worthwhile initiative.

http://www.wx5us.us/project146.52.html

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Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Since it was brought up and I think it is important to get the word out. Project take back 146.520 is not about running anyone off a freq as is reported very often.

It is all about putting forth a positive image of Amateur Radio out there for New Ham Radio Operators and Visitors to San Antonio and the region.

It is about putting the enjoyment back into Amateur Radio and making 146.520 a comfortable place for the average ham to operate from.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KB5ZSM on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Easier done then said! I was told by a sheriff that on these local ranches there are plenty of deep wells where large things could dissapear for a long time. He was trying to be helpfull with a rotten son-in-law problem I had. hi hi
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by K7CB on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good luck. Your approach is sound - ignore them and you deprive them of that which they seek, which is the satisfaction they get from making others upset. If I ever find myself in San Antonio, I'll make sure I give a call on that frequency.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks we launched project Take Back 146.52 Thanks Giving weekend and frankly it has been a big success. We have provided the San Antonio region with positive radio, and have helped 5 new ham radio operators come into the hobby with a positive approach, rather than be hit in the face with the negative attacks that was so common for the past decade.

Our group has been joined in this project by a host of hams from around San Antonio, Austin and the area and so far it has been met with nothing but positive comments and support.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I think it is important that everyone understand what we in this area have been faced with. The original poster brushed upon it briefly. For the past decade 146.52 has been held hostage to basically two individual radio terrorist who have attacked anyone whom they deem "newbies".

If you got your lic under the VE system they have determined that you are a fake ham and declare you basically an illegal amateur radio operator. They then pull personal information and if they can find any negative details in your life they begin attacking you.

They go after bankruptcies, Divorces, anything negative.

For example: One Wednesday about 8 months back we had a brand new Ham Radio operator come onto the air for his very first transmission. He was a young man about 24 years old and totally new to the hobby. He came on with his call, one of them answered him talked to him for awhile and got his name, call, etc.

They ran a back ground search on him and Thursday night {one day after he got his lic} they savagely attacked him for a recent divorce. They brought ever painful detail out on the air. There was no purpose this ham was not even talking them that day, they just came on and said another "newbie" who is not responsible, etc and typical "newbie ham" divorced, etc. A few days later they began accusing him of jamming the radio freq, and threatened his job with the school district he worked at.

We were able to contact him and invite him over to our group and he has turned into a fine, very energetic ham radio operator.

But this is the introduction to Amateur radio most new hams to the area have gotten.

So in November we planned out and launched project take back 52 to put a positive voice and give New Hams and Visiting hams a friendly sociable group of people to talk to and the ability to enjoy Amateur Radio.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The e-mail that started Project Take Back 146.520 rolling:


My job requires a lot of drive time as I make regular trips to Houston, McAllen, Corpus, Laredo, Austin, etc, I also drive most of the time on our vacation trips to Ohio on a regular bases, Guadeloupe Mountains, Big Bend, etc and one of my more enjoyable activities during the long drives is talking on the radio meeting new people and breaking up the monotony of the long drive with nice conversations with people. The common link around the country is 2 meters 146.520 the National Simplex Calling Frequency. Every place I go you run into great people and have enjoyable conversations on 146.520.

Another excellent past time that many around the State and Country enjoy is making long distance contacts on 2 meters, During openings you can enjoy 2 meter contacts from 200 to 1500 miles on average. Myself and many other Ham radio operators around San Antonio, Texas and the Globe enjoy chasing grids and working DX on 2 meters. {I have 39 states and 2 countries on 2 meters}. When the band open's there are two hot spots to monitor for activity and that is 144.200 for those who use SSB and 146.520 for those who are on FM.

Monitor some time and you will hear dozens of Stations coming in from Houston, Louisana, Dallas, Waco, Corpus, but dead silence here in San Antonio with the exception of myself and one other.

WHY? Because people are afraid to use 146.520 here because the frequency is held hostage to a group of Amateur Radio Terrorist who plague the freq 24/7 attacking anyone who dares to step onto the frequency, anyone who is a leader in the Amateur community or anyone who some how slighted them in any fashion over the past 30 years.

I can count on both hands the number of times I have had hams I talk to on HF or 6 meters say they have passed through and either 146.52 is dead or they hear the trash that flows through there. Both leave a negative image of Ham Radio in San Antonio. How many new hams have gotten a license and got on 146.520 to hear this crap or become a target and left ham radio in disgust?

We have a large and flourishing Amateur radio community in San Antonio, but we are isolated and terrorized off of a frequency that is a powerful tool for 2 Meter operation. We need to make changes in our community and we need to work to promote a positive image of San Antonio. The Unusual Suspects have been an extremely fast growing group for the past 6 years for the simple reason we put a very positive face to Ham Radio and we enjoy the friendship and hobby a great deal and it shows. The stories are the same, I moved to San Antonio, or I just got my lic and I got on 52 and was disgusted by it.

Most new Hams or new arrivals to the San Antonio area find us based on recommendations from the folks at Kcomm and other ham radio operators.

It is natural for New Ham Radio Operators and New Arrivals to go to 146.520 and we as the Amateur Radio Community need to put forth a positive face on 146.52 and we as the San Antonio Amateur Radio Community need to start enjoying the benefits of operating on 146.520 with meeting new hams and arrivals and welcoming them into the community and we need to enjoy the band openings and show new hams that with modest stations and the right conditions just what they can do with those radios with long distance contacts.

I am proposing that we as the San Antonio Amateur Radio Community take back 146.520. I am proposing that the Unusual Suspects Amateur Radio Group move our base of Operation to 146.52 effective Monday Morning and that the rest of the Amateur Radio Community supports this and makes the move for day to day operation there as well.

This will not work with out full and complete Support:

IT IS ALSO VITAL THAT EVERYONE FOLLOW TWO VERY SIMPLE RULES.

#1: Do not engage in conversation with the two individuals. We do not want to encourage them in any fashion

#2: Do not allow them to anger you and make you respond on the radio. At all times ignore them.

The goal is to put regular Amateur activity on the air.


PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION AND IF YOU WILL COMMIT TO RESTORING 146.520 TO AMATEUR RADIO USE.....

With out all of us working together we can not accomplish this goal. REMEMBER THERE IS A REASON OVER 190 INDIVIDUAL HAMS SIGNED A PETITION TO THE FCC TO HAVE THESE INDIVIDUALS REMOVED.

PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION AND IF YOU WILL COMMIT TO RESTORING 146.520 TO AMATEUR RADIO USE......
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The 2nd E-mail in response to the positive e-mail response. This set the plan and action in to motion.


I just returned to town from a weekend trip for hunting to 48 new e-mails regarding PROJECT TAKE BACK 146.520 and I must say the EXTREMELY POSITIVE AND SUPPORTIVE RESPONSE FROM SAN ANTONIO HAM RADIO OPERATORS HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF AMAZING.

It is clear from the massive and almost instant response to this planned project that San Antonio Ham Radio operators are tired of dealing with this problem and that some thing needs to be done to resolve it. I will share some of the responses that I got to give everyone an over all idea of the tone of responses that we have received.

I sent out PROJECT TAKE BACK 146.520 to 130 individual licensed ham radio operators in the San Antonio region, we have gotten a response back from 92 of them. Of the 92 responses so far, 1 expressed some concerns, and 2 were not in favor of the project. The remaining 89 individuals who responded were over whelming in favor of this project and action and pushing to move forward.

EFFECTIVE SUNDAY NOVEMBER 27TH 2011 AT 12:MIDNIGHT WE ARE REQUESTING ALL LOCAL TWO METER HAM RADIO OPERATORS START OPERATING ON 146.520.


What is Project Take Back 146.520? Project take back 146.520 is a plan to combat the negative trash that has been over whelming the frequency for the past 10 to 15 years. As new ham radio operators join the ranks for many of them the first place they go is to the national calling freq. As Travelers pass through our city of visit our city many of them monitor and call out on 146.520 as the National Simplex Calling freq. Unfortunately for those travelers and new hams the response they get is Trash Talk which paints a very negative image of San Antonio and San Antonio Ham Radio operators.

Our Goal is to provide an alternative to the Trash Talk and provide an extremely positive face for San Antonio and San Antonio Amateur Radio Operators.


How do I participate? It is simple, all that you need to do is operate Base / Mobil on 146.520 Simplex. Put positive voices out there, providing POSTIVE QSO'S and providing a FRIENDLY FACE to New Ham Radio operators and Travelers through and to San Antonio. The more operating you do, the more successful we will be.

WHAT NOT TO DO: While the every day operation of our local radio terrorist is extremely negative, we do expect the response to our using 146.520 to generate even more hostility. IT IS VITAL THAT EVERYONE DO NOT GET SUCKED INTO THE TRAP OF RESPONDING NO MATTER HOW TEMPTING IT MAY BE. This is what they want and strive for a response.

WE ask that everyone participating in Project: TAKE BACK 146.520 keep four simple rules in mind at all times.

#1: Do not respond to taunts, baiting or personal attacks

#2: Do not communicate with the problem individuals as doing so only fuels them with validation that what they do is acceptable, do not respond to them when they call you.

#3: At all times keep your conversations 100% positive and promote an extremely positive image of you're personal operating habits and Amateur Radio in San Antonio.

#4: While Unusual Suspects run an open round table operation each morning and EVERYONE IS ALWAYS WELCOME TO JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION, no matter if it is 1 person, 2 or 10.
Please insure that they people you try to join are not part of the problem and or are open to you doing this.

Note: The Unusual Suspect group is normally very active from 6:am to about 9:am with conversations and activity through out the day, and again early evening. We tend to be the early bird group.

THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND HERE IS HOPING AND PRAYING FOR SUCCESS TO PROJECT TAKE BACK 146.520

NOTE: A SAMPLE OF THE COMMENTS WE HAVE RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO THIS PLAN SO FAR:
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This is a really good plan. Glad to see initial responses are positive. We'll certainly do all we
can to promote the take-back and encourage all 2m Hams to use 52 and obey all the rules.
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I for one have been rather discouraged since I first became a HAM that 146.520 was being used by CB'rs. I have no problem with the final objective of restoring that frequency back to normal amateur use.
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I too have enjoyed friendly, healthy, genuine conversation on 52 as I travel through Dallas, Houston, OKC, Corpus and Louisiana. You have my full support to move our operations to 52 as of Monday. Take back 52 once and for all. If I acted like "mr. tough guy" and didn't admit a little bit of fear, I would be a liar. This does frighten me a little bit. I know I shouldn't be afraid of these two bastard lids as they just blow hot air into the mic.... I have a bit of uncertainty but I`m with you. One for all and all for one!

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Your plan sounds well thought out and fair. I will start monitoring Simplx every time I'm out and about. When ever I on at home I'll have 146.52 tuned up as well.


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See you on .52

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there are a couple guys one for sure that i can hear from boerne. i would really like to choke the crap out of. my wife wont even stay in the room if she hears him. cant think of the call. but he is a self proclaimed everything. guys like that is what keeps me off fm.

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Since I seldom operate 2 meters I know little about the 52 situation? Amateur Radio is pretty much self policing now and the San Antonio 52 situation appears to need attention, the ONLY way we are able to protect and clean up out spectrum is to make the freq active with positive operators and force the bad folk out or make them such a small minority they are meaningless. Taking the frequency back is what the San Antonio ham community needs to now do. I now have 52 programmed into my rig and will be monitoring it when on 2 meters and I hope most in the S.A. ham community agree with this effort. Peer pressure is our only tool in policing the bands.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by NA4IT on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not in TX, but good to hear of your efforts. My question is, since you know who it is, and probably have recordings, why is the FCC not doing anything about it? Identification and evidence is enough for seizure. I agree hams should be "self-policing" but sometimes, the FCC has to step in.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KT4EP on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This is an aberrant and extreme problem similar to many others on ham radio. Give most any band a listen and you'll hear hams who "own" a particular frequency. We have a similar but less obnoxious problem in the Memphis area on a local VHF simplex frequency. BTW, there are federal laws on the books to take care of malicious activity such as this.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by K7EDL on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
these two should have been taken to court long ago, it is not just the FCC who can take action, the action described in some of these posts is slander etc. a fine of a few thousand and court costs would most likely have shut these two up long ago.

Eric
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W5DCT on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Operation Take Back sounds great!!
In theory,
What if it doesn't work?
In past years I've heard of more than one jammer
who found hat pins or nails in all of their coax feeds.
I guess I'm just reminiscing , I'd never advise
or condone willfull destruction of someone's property.
Some things can be taken too far , such as constant interference .
The FCC really should do something about those two.
Don't they have Senators or Represenatives in that state who might get in touch with the FCC about the situation? Or are they too busy giving themselves another raise ?
Just a snack for thought.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K0CBA on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Sometimes a 'personal touch' is all that will work.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K8AXW on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I'm confused. Two (2) guys have taken over the 52 simplex frequency, have employed character assassination and other nefarious means to harrass other hams wanting to use the frequency.....for years?

A yet other "fellow hams" have continued to talk to these guys? Looks to me you have more than one problem. For openers, it seems that these two birds need to be ostracized. Plain and simple.

Then a way is needed to publish the calls of these two head cases. Is there some "anonymous" out there willing to add their comments to this post with the calls of these offenders?

If I knew the call of some AH that was gleaning information on me, I sure as hell wouldn't talk to him!

You people live in a very populated area. Have you considered a letter (NOT EMAIL...LETTER) barrage to the FCC? And if no response is gleaned from that effort, then it would be time to contact your State and Federal represenatives to petition the FCC.

I would like to reiterate one thing. If you want action on a problem, rather it is a store, company or federal agency, a snail mail letter carries a 100 times more weight than an email.

In this day and age of electronic correspondence, it's very easy to send off a letter by email and equally easy to IGNORE it!

Not only that but most businesses and agencies have people who do nothing but respond with canned answers to the deluge of email they receive daily.

"Suits" pay attention to snail mail!

 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W5GNB on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
You are sort of doing a "WAR ON DRUGS" or WAR ON POVERTY" effort.... This has been a Total FAILURE by the US Government and you will follow the same course.

Don't Waste your time..... The FCC does NOT care and the ARRL has no horsepower to do anything Officially, That IS if they would do anything Anyway !!

If everyone would simply ignore and stay away from these individuals they would go away in time. Thier EGO feeds on your decent.

Pick another frequency to play with and don't attempt to CHANGE these behaviors, It will not happen with your approach.

If you can catch one of them giving life threats or such, you could report them to the local authorities but otherwise, they are actually breaking no "Laws" simply by saying or doing things that YOU don't like !!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KE5JPP on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Why doesn't someone in the know publish the call signs of the two individuals here?

Gene
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K7AAT on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

A little effort on Google, and I do mean little, easily revealed who these jerks are. I stopped at this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/san-antonio-tx/TROI8JS3O4D9M08EG

but there may be more.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K4YZ on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

Great effort, guys...

But I'd go a step further and publish their names and callsigns in Amateur Radio-related forums such as this.

In ancient times people used to get put in "the stocks" as punishment for crimes that didn't merit imprisonment or the death penalty. The penalty wasn't the stocks themselves, but rather the public humiliation and peer pressure that resulted.

Needless to say, we don't have public punishments like that anymore, but having their names and misdeeds made public record serve the same purpose.

If these guys have been warned by thge FCC before, and you have any sort of an organization in place, send them a registered letter demanding they desist. If they don't, get their names out there.

Give it some thought.

73

Steve, K4YZ
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W8AAZ on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I heard that cutting coax cables used to be an effective deterrent, especially at the cost of some of the newer stuff. Or putting a needle thru it and cutting it off flush. Or cut out a large section and blame it on copper theives. Or a small "fox" transmitter in the immediate vicinity of the offender. Terrorize the terrorists, if they are as wretched and evil as is claimed.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N1DVJ on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I may step on some toes here, but the problem is bigger than 2 guys in one area. It seems to be a 'Texas mentality' of some kind.

Now before I get blasted for saying that, hear the details. I got my first ticked in 1981 in Ft Worth. KA5MJQ. Met plenty of great hams in Texas. In fact, overall, Texas has one of the most 'ham friendly' populations I've run into. But with that also comes extremes, and that's the problem.

Dallas... Total nut cases over there. I witnessed an accident on I-30 and got on a Dallas repeater to get emergency help. I was jumped on and attacked for being on 'that' repeater unless it was a bonafide emergency. Well, another club member came on and made sure I got the right people notified, and a problem was averted. Weeks later I got a FORMAL personal apology from the club and the president for the disgusting actions of one of the members.

And down in Arlington... I lived north of Ft Worth and some of us built a repeater in the area. We linked it to a programmable 2M radio and could work some distance when we were mobile with our 2M radios, since our tower was 80 feet at the time, and we were on a rise. Heck, I had line of site for 2.3Ghz to both Dallas and Ft Worth from my garage roof! Anyway, we were essentially attacked because we were on a 2M simplex frequency one day that some individuals claimed as 'theirs'. I thought that only happened on CB channels?

But to be fair, it happens up here in New England on occasion too.

I wonder.... Seriously, if the 'wide open spaces' of Texas contributes to the problem. I mean, in a lot of areas it's pretty much a direct function of height to coverage. Couple that with power (I've run into more than just a few people down there running 1000W on 2M FM) and I think it's a disaster in the making. But if it were just a density problem, of how many people can hear and have to co-exist, then why doesn't NYC and Philly have similar problems? (And don't say because in Philly they just make you disappear...) A group of us from Ft Worth happened to be in NYC and Philly for a work thing and the other hams from Texas just couldn't believe that there were open phone patches on 2M repeaters in big cities!

 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K9MHZ on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by W5GNB If everyone would simply ignore and stay away from these individuals they would go away in time. Thier EGO feeds on your decent.
Pick another frequency to play with and don't attempt to CHANGE these behaviors, It will not happen with your approach.<<<<


Probably the best advice posted. Don't cut or pin their coax.....if you don't get shot in the process, it may feel good, but all you're doing is becoming like them.

Your personal safety and character are much more important. You're not being weak....in fact, pity the poor soul who has nothing better going in his life than to run a kilowatt on 6.52 FM. That is VERY strange behavior.




 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KA4ETV on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It always amazes me that the FCC allows any of what goes on at 14.275, 14.313, and the rest of these whacked out frequencies.

That was truly a shocker when I first tuned into 20 meters and began spending more time there. I couldn't believe what I was hearing and that I had taken it all so seriously and thought that Hams would never operate as if they were on channel 19.

You had virtual mayhem 24/7 and if the Canadian station at 14.275 is any indication it still is mayhem.

 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by VE3FMC on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
No point in taking 52 back here. The frequency is rarely used.

I use it to shoot the breeze with a buddy who lives 15 miles from me.

We rarely hear anyone else using the frequency in our area.

No one owns a frequency. Sure 146.52 has been known as the National Call Frequency for year. But if no one is calling then no one is using it!
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by ZF2RN on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Isn't this the same bunch that the FCC sent letters to back in 2006 or 2007? Sure sounds familiar.
If so, I guess it didn't have any effect.
I tend to agree with the letter writing campaign idea. Yes, snail-mail, not email. As indicated, it is just to easy to ignore emails vs a large pile of solid items on a desk.
Reading the blog about all this is like reading a script for a very bad soap opera. lol
The first words that come to mind are "...grow up..."
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This issue has been taking to the FCC multiple times. The best we have gotten so far is a warning letter {as viewed in QST in 2006} warning them to take it off the air.

In 2009 when they began attacking an entire new group of local Amateur radio operators we generated a petition to the FCC that had 190 signatures on it asking the FCC to remove them from the airwaves. Due to the fact that under the new FCC rules they were actually not in violation of any rules serious enough to take action.

At this point late 2009 we began 100 ignoring them and attempting to avoid them. Unfortunately they were not interested in being ignored and like little children, they keep poking and poking harder and harder until they get a reaction.

We 100% ignored them for over a year and a half with absolutely no response from anyone in our group about them or against them, we just pretended they did not exist.

We even moved freq twice and they would follow us, monitor and then go launch attacks on 52 about whatever we spoke about.

That was bad enough, but then when it still did not get a response they began FABRICATING stories and accusations of felonies, and other charges against individuals.

At this point we stopped ignoring them and began recording them 24/7 on 146.520 gathering information.

We spoke to several members of the State ad local DA's office and was given advice of what kind of evidence we needed, what would hold up in court and what would work for criminal charges, slander charges, etc.

There are multiple complaints filed in multiple jurisdictions and it's all coming to a head.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I am a bit bothered by the couple of suggestions that we resort to vandalism to combat this problem. I understand that this is meant more tongue in cheek than serious, but it is exactly this type of attitude and actions that created this mess to begin with.

If you fight back with individuals who are doing wrong, using the same type of actions and stunts they are using then how are you any better than the individuals you are complaining about.

If there is NO GOOD SIDE IN A FIGHT then there can be no justice and only an expansion of the problem.

I will never be part of the problem.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I do not know the intent of the original author that started this thread, but as I was one of the individuals who helped design and launch PROJECT TAKE BACK 146.520 I can tell you that the over all theme that has been projected in this forum today is counter to what we are trying to accomplish.

While we are putting forth every single effort against the local Amateur Radio Terrorist legally and morally that we can, we are adamant about not becoming part of the problem.

The entire goal of Project Take Back 146.520 is not to become part of the problem, but to put forth a positive face of Amateur Radio in our region and to PROMOTE AMATEUR RADIO.

We also hope to be the first contacts of New Hams, Visitors to our fine city and provide them with a positive Amateur Radio Experiences.

Which is why a key function of Project Take Back 146.520 is IGNORING THEM PERIOD AND NOT RESPONDING PERIOD.

And only promoting Ham Radio and having a good time enjoying our hobby.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ideally this thread would not be about the Radio Terrorist, who they are, what they are.

It would be about expanding the entire concept of take back 146.520 and launching a campaign nation wide to generate more activity and monitoring of 146.520.

It is depressing to drive half way across the country monitoring and calling on 146.520 and finding maybe 4 contacts along the way.

Focus on the positive and not dwell upon the negative.

Or the negative wins
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This is not a Texas problem, it is a problem with PEOPLE world wide. Every hobby no matter what it is has it's share of idiots.

When you consider the number of ham radio operators in the city of San Antonio and the fact we have less than 5 trouble makers in this city, that speaks extremely highly of the Amateurs in this city and State.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good question to "what if take back 52 does not work"

The thing is that I firmly believe it has. We had a lot of fence sitters who bought into the lies told by the local thugs, we had a lot of brand new hams who were run off of 2 meters, or out of ham radio and we had a lot of disgusted visitors to the region.

We are seeing all of that change. The individuals who were of the belief were there was smoke there was fire with regards to the lies told about so many hams and believed that our local thugs were the victims, have now seen {heard} first hand exactly what local hams are doing as we are doing it on 52 now. They know understand where the problem lays and many of them are now active on 52 with our group. That is a positive out come of Project 52.

We have had 5 new hams come on and get positive support and feedback and a helping hand teaching them the ropes, helping them build stations and working with them to advance {two of them have gotten Generals within weeks of getting the tech, with the positive support structure they now have}

And visitors are enjoying passing through and having enjoyable conversations.

Plus with propagation what it is of late, we are now seeing a lot of hams able to work new grids on 2 meters....and pick up new grids, countries and states along with counties, because they are no longer afraid of becoming a target and victim by using 146.52

So in my opinion PROJECT TAKE BACK 146.52 IS A SUCCESS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESS.
 
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by N4JTE on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Appreciate your local problem and efforts to"take back" 2 meter simplex, unfortunately without identifying the offending stations here, where the article was posted and read around the world, serves less of a purpose than could have been realised.
Bob
 
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by K7AAT on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

I have already posted a location where the offending stations are readily identified. Anyone who is adept at Google could do so, themselves, anyway.
 
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by WB6MMJ on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What those nuts are doing on 52 is just wrong.
I do have to say this though.
When we make the Amateur tests easy in order to get more Amateurs licensed, we pay a price.
The way it is going, CB and Ham will be the same someday.
 
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by K9CTB on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It looks to me as if it's been said about 150 different ways here: Lids have a habit of going away if they are deprived of attention. We could go into a huge diatribe about how, if testing requirements were more rigorous, we'd have proportionally less lid activity on our precious bands. But that ground has been covered many times as well. The so-called "private networks" in southern California kept the lids away by operating DCS or CTCSS with non-standard codes. That is, until there were so many of them they couldn't operate without totally interfering with each other - but the idea is sound, but complicated. It's easier and quicker just to deny the lids any face-time (don't talk to them). They'll find some other form of entertainment in a hurry.
 
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by N5XO on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Quote: {What those nuts are doing on 52 is just wrong.
I do have to say this though. When we make the Amateur tests easy in order to get more Amateurs licensed, we pay a price. The way it is going, CB and Ham will be the same someday. } end of quote.



I had to quote this as I wanted to make it clear what I was replying too.

I 100% disagree with the entire comments above. For two reasons with the first being simply that the two LIDS are older FCC licensed hams back in 1974.

You can not paint people with a broad brush. The TERM LID has been around for as many years as Ham Radio Operators have been around and for a very good reason. There have been idiots out there that feel a need to abuse others.

The fact that someone got his lic yesterday is not any indication to what kind of operator he is or will be. Nor the fact that some one picked up a lic 20, 30 or even 40 years ago does not make them a good operator.

The bottom line is that every age group, every lic class has it's share of idiots. The fortunate part is that the GOOD HAMS far out weigh the abusive ones.

This is a direction of the thread that serves no point and only further serves to separate and isolate one ham from another. One group from another.





 
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by KE6WNH on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Here on the web, we say "don't feed the trolls". Jammers and trolls are just two sides of the same coin---one online, the other on the air.

Ignoring usually works, unless you're dealing with someone who's pathological and not just your run-of-the-mill attention junkie. In that case, moving to another frequency or another band may be the only solution.

Either way, few people enjoy performing to an empty theater.
 
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by AC7CW on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have been reading up on psychopaths recently. Every 33rd man is a psychopath! I concluded that we should not deal the same with them as we do with well motivated, reasonable people.

I dealt with one once, he bullied me. He was a criminal so I made sure that he got busted. He was a danger to his neighbors so I made sure he got evicted. He tried to move to a place where a friend of mine was the manager so I made sure that, come moving day, he was homeless... I was through with him at that point so I forgot about him. It would have been very easy to keep on edging him out of civilization altogether...

I'm just sayin'
 
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by AK4RL on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I was taught while in Marine boot camp that you take care of your own problems. Since you apparently know who these people are, it should be no problem to take them off the air. After all, you are in Texas aren't you. Texans in the past seemed to know how to take care of problem people.
 
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by K5FH on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KE6WNH:

"Ignoring usually works, unless you're dealing with someone who's pathological and not just your run-of-the-mill attention junkie. In that case, moving to another frequency or another band may be the only solution."

From the sounds of it, that's what they're dealing with here. Ignoring them only works if you're dealing with rational people.

"Either way, few people enjoy performing to an empty theater."

If it was just one jammer, ignoring him/her/it might (not "will") work. But this is a group of miscreants who feed off of each other. They are, in effect, their own audience.


 
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by W5TTW on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
1. Work alone
2. Rehearse your alibi
3. No matter how many times law enforcement asks you to repeat your alibi, do not deviate or embellish it.
4. Prosecute the target with extreme prejudice. Be swift, decisive and do not return to the scene.
5. Admit nothing. Ever.
 
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by N0AH on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This is why I have a cell ph, hihi
 
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by N5LXI on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It sounds like a bad situation. I would just pick another simplex frequency and let all the local hams know it and just QSY. Let the lids have "their" frequency. Or just use a local repeater.

joel / N5LXI in Dallas
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K5FH on January 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
N5LXI:

"I would just pick another simplex frequency and let all the local hams know it and just QSY. Let the lids have "their" frequency. Or just use a local repeater."

The problem here is that 146.52 is, historically, THE calling frequency anywhere in the U.S. Hams travelling through the area who are unfamiliar with local repeaters usually call CQ on 52 simplex looking for information about, among other things, what repeaters are available. If there is a passel of idiots monopolizing the frequency and jamming anyone who tries to use it, it defeats the purpose.

Moving to another frequency only works within the local ham population. It does nothing for the itinerant ham just passing through an unfamiliar area.

 
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by WZ3O on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
By no means am I degrading your efforts, in fact I applaud them, however the FCC appears impudent on these types of activities that take place on a regular basis in ham radio, 2M, HF etc. blatant, ignorant & dare I say illegal activities.

I wonder how sad these JAGOFFS (Pgh. term for MORON, JERK, AH, someone you'd love to smack in the puss with a 2x4...) lives must be to exert so much effort on negative, spiteful, venomous attacks etc. Their lives must be a living Hell to be such sad individuals & I feel "sorry for them"...NOT....

Good luck & maybe we can start a "Take Back 14.275" (or so) from the Lunatic Canadian.....one can dream...
 
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by K9MHZ on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by AK4RL on January 24, 2012 I was taught while in Marine boot camp that you take care of your own problems. Since you apparently know who these people are, it should be no problem to take them off the air. After all, you are in Texas aren't you. Texans in the past seemed to know how to take care of problem people.<<<<


The Marines teach that to instill personal responsibility and self-reliance. It has nothing to do with breaking the law.

While 99% of me agrees with you, it would be a real shame to have a good guy get himself into trouble over those morons.

 
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by K7NNG on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
looks like a lot of talk, but no real action.
Someone file a suit...that'll stop them dead/
about 40 of you show up at their homes and jobs carrying signs...that'll stop them
 
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by KA4ETV on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
No offense but I get tired of hearing this about the "easier tests". This is not relevant to the issue.

The test has no impact here. Many of these so called "hams" are older and passed the General Test and Extra Test when it was 13 and 20 wpm respectively.

No knowing radio and acting in a characterless way are not joined at the hip.

Idiots are idiots plain and simple. On radio, the road, or in government. It's all the same. Last time I checked there was no part of the test on how to control your mouth and behavior on the radio.

 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KA4ETV on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
No one should be moving to other frequencies because of idiots. That's what we have now in this country. Idiots are running the asylum.

I say fight for the right to communicate on this frequency as entitled by your license class. However taking the law into one's own hands is never an option.

Stay on the frequency and install the "idiot filter".
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W2IBC on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
to bad I didnt live down there...

me and my group would drive these idiots nuts.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K5TED on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This article will most certainly add to the hilarity on San Antonio's 146.52

Grab a cold Fanta and a bag of popcorn..
 
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by W4CX on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My god, people. It's only a hobby. It's only a frequency. There are more important things to direct this kind of energy towards. Do you really hear yourselves?
 
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by W9CLL on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
W4CX I agree
 
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by KA9QGH on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Foxhunt at night with a grappling hook and some rope usually takes care of the situation.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by WB6MMJ on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I still say what they are doing is wrong. They are way out of line.
Maybe they feel like I do, though, about the people we are getting now in Amateur Radio. Not all newbies are bad but a lot of them are bringing their bad CB habits with them.
I turn off my radio when I hear some of these people doing their CB thing on the Ham bands.
Things like "what`s your personal" "Rogers on that" "How am I hitting you" ect. And there are the ones who fight on the air and say " why don`t you come on over to my house so I can kick your ***.
I know a lot of us old timers are very upset about what has happened to Amateur Radio over the years but that is no reason to fight with or jam others.
 
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by K5TED on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Seriously, though, there are two separate issues here.

One is the age-old debacle of whether .52 is a "call and move off" freq, or a "call and rag chew, letting others in upon request" freq. There seem to be merits to both, depending on the locale. It's difficult to have .52 in the scan sequence when it is constantly used for rag chewing. Conversely, it's desirable to have a popular local radio watering hole.

Honestly, in almost 12 years of listening to San Antonio airwaves, I've personally heard only a few instances of .52 being "jammed", and it was always someone targeting the hams in question here, playing back recordings of them. Most of that was traced by DF back to a couple of specific locations, from what I understood from passing remarks on the frequency. On the other hand, I haven't heard the hams in question ever deny anyone the use of the frequency.

I have heard at least one of the hams in question be very pleasant, amicable, helpful, friendly and overall a model of ham hobbyist decency when working local or distant stations with his substantially more than adequate VHF station. Again, that's just my personal experience. Your .52 experience may vary...

The other issue at hand is that of not agreeing with what another ham is transmitting. This may result from a simple personality clash or from instances of serious procedural infractions by one party being called up and questioned.

It's generally not enjoyable to hear maligning commentary about other hams, new or old, especially if one is the target. However, the idea that simply ignoring the comments will make it go away is failed logic, since the commenters obviously couldn't care less whether or not the topic of their commentary is listening, but probably correctly assume that person either is listening, or will soon be notified to listen by another listener. Either way, there is no compelling reason to cease the activity and in the end, the commentary is contained within a legitimate "QSO" between two or more parties, not an open ended broadcast.

I'm not an attorney, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn more than once, so I'm qualified to Google the definition of "slander" and "libel" to find that neither seem to apply here, for the most part. I've heard worse on Entertainment Tonight or any number of morning radio shows.

There are millions of frequencies, literally. Sometimes people don't use the "agreed upon" frequencies for the "agreed upon" purpose. Case in point, phone contesters using 14.230 and ignoring those pesky warbling sounds.

Some people say or do things that don't seem to follow the spirit of the hobby. In most cases, it's difficult to get one or two, much less a large gathering of hams to agree upon what exactly is the spirit of the hobby.
My take is that it's (the intended spirit) probably NOT "mean-spirited", but that's my personal opinion.

The FCC has in the past opted to, in the case of interpersonal disputes, direct that it be taken off the air. These instances detailed in the thread don't seem to be "interpersonal", but more of a "personal opinion", or "gossip" designed for personal entertainment, pastime, and possibly collateral irritation.

Bringing attention to it on an international forum is probably akin to throwing boiling gasoline on a sparking toaster. Is that the intent? Push 'em over the edge? A license-fatal misstep? It could make for some ugly verbal escalation and possibly ill-conceived retaliation, as evidenced by more than one suggestion in this thread so far.

 
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by VK2HLG on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hi.

Please stop using the word "terrorists." It's become devalued. A terrorist is one who engages in random violence against civilians in order to achieve a political goal. These radio guys appear to be simply d!ckheads.

 
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by KG4YMC on January 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Texas hams remember this when you have your "hope and change primary's and election time . Mabey you should tell our hope and change president his fcc ladys not doing her job . By th way how is her ham exam coming ? .Get there call signs and pay them a visit , and while your at it do the same to the canadian on 20 . mabey a few on 75 while your at it ? hey, I know sick Ron Paul on them , that will have them trembling in there tracks. Better yet, the quicker you can pass the general , sell your two meter rigs and go hf, and don't look back . Terry .kg4ymc
 
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by NO6L on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This is classic. I've seen it over and over, you,ve got a person or group that get drunk on air, antagonize others or whatever. As if that's not bad enough, you get the usual passivists that the very next day after being herassed, are once again all warm and cozy with them. When I confront these types it's the same old story. They think that if they're just nice to these losers they'll change.

"Hey moron, they don't change".

It's like this, it has to be group effort. Everybody has to stigmatize, ignore and disregard anything they say, no matter how nice they appear to get. Even if it means holding some wishy-washy do-gooders feet to the fire, you must stay the course. And if the idiot passivist insists, I'm sorry, but he/she must be considered part of the problem and given the same treatment until they get a clue and tow the line. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. There can be no in between. Sorry, there it is, it had to be said.
 
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by N5XO on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Start Quote: {It's like this, it has to be group effort. Everybody has to stigmatize, ignore and disregard anything they say, no matter how nice they appear to get. Even if it means holding some wishy-washy do-gooders feet to the fire, you must stay the course. And if the idiot passivist insists, I'm sorry, but he/she must be considered part of the problem and given the same treatment until they get a clue and tow the line. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. There can be no in between. Sorry, there it is, it had to be said.} End Quote.


Which is exactly what is happening now. Only an extreme few {and I mean few as in 3} individuals still converse with these individuals.

The rest of the Amateur Community 100% disregards them.
 
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by N5XO on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ted {KC5NYJ}.

I understand you enjoy talking to one of the individuals in question and that is your right and I do not want to do anything to infringe upon your right. But either you have never listened to the late night shows they perform or you are in agreement with what they do. You need to pay attention to the cold hard reality and not what one truly biased individual has to say about it.

Ask yourself, if it was just what you claimed in your reply here, then why did it galvanize over 190 ham radio operators to sign a petition to try and get the FCC to take action. Hell you can not get 10 people to agree on something let alone 190.

You are correct that you are not an attorney, nor am I which is why I and a half dozen others went and spoke to not one, but multiple attorney's as well as local and state DA and a judge on this situation. And you are wrong in multiple cases they have fully met the definitions for slander and defamation of character. They have also met the definitions for multiple criminal charges which is why each was served legal notice that they are under criminal complaint and wanted for questioning with pending charges ready to be filed. I have heard, but have no first hand knowledge that there may be as many as 3 more criminal cases involving other individuals currently pending.

You however are totally wrong, this is not about them operating on 146.520, it is not about them having the right to discuss politics and believe it or not it is not even about them bitching about "newbie" ham radio operators.

It is about the fact that day in and day out they fabricate total and absolute lies regarding other individuals with out rhyme or reason just because one individual made the mistake of talking to another individual on the air, or some individual with a bigger station then the one individual in question was able to work a contact further out. It is about the total disregard for reality and the need to take what appears on the outside to be a total and absolute pathetic life and try to build himself up by putting others down with out regard for the truth.

The two individuals in question have a bona-fide fight with maybe two possibly 3 other individuals in town. I can not tell you who started it and I do not care. I think all parties are childish.

But the VAST majority of Amateur radio operators out there are good folks and have no interest in any of the idiots on either side of this battle. They are targeted for any number of stupid reasons.

Have a station with a better signal
Are popular among the ham community
Are considered a leader among the ham community

Or the big crime made the mistake of talking to someone they do not
like.

The local radio terrorist {and yes I believe this is a fitting term} are attacking daily 8 to 12 individuals with accusations, out right lies. They take 1% fact and build 99% lie out of it and then tell it often enough that they believe it themselves.

You please provide me justification for what they do?

How do you justify attacking a brand new ham they never met, spoke to once and bringing forth is entire divorce case on the air the next night?

How do you justify attacking a ham who is 77 and suffers short term memory issues because of past health events, but who is one of the friendliest, most sociable individuals on earth.


Beyond the one or two individuals who have been fighting back with these individuals, and doing so in the wrong manner with recordings, etc not one person has done anything to them to justify the actions they perform.

I am frankly stunned anyone can try to justify what they do.
 
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by WM2D on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I once called CQ on 146.52 a few years ago. The local "owner" called out "hoo boy." Very encouraging. Haven't been on the simplex channel since.
 
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by K3DNF on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The actions of these indivuduals as described here are not only reprehensible, but highly illegal. If this has been accurately portrayed, WHERE is the FCC? Chronic, repeat offenses usually garner official attention and action. Something here doesn't pass the "whiff test".

 
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by N1DVJ on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"I once called CQ on 146.52 a few years ago. The local "owner" called out "hoo boy." Very encouraging. Haven't been on the simplex channel since."

While this wasn't polite behavior, I can actually understand the frustration of some people when newbies come on the 'FM' bands and use the same protocols that would be used on HF SSB or CW. Like the long signons and signoffs, extensive use of phonetics, and other 'traits'.

But hey, we were all newbies once, right? Except maybe of few of the curmudgens that created ham radio... Wait, maybe it's just that they don't remember back that far!
 
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by N1DVJ on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
And yes, I did it too... Called CQ on 52 when I was a newbie. And used phonetics through the repeater. And Q signals. And... (fill in the blank with an annoying habit here)
 
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by WM2D on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It was a concise CQ. What would generate "frustration" about that?
 
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by N9JPS on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Kudos to you, N5XO, on your and other concerned ham's efforts on this problem. Maybe this will awaken others to possible problems on the simplex frequencies near their own homes and communities. So far in the Indianapolis area, I have not experienced this level of harassment. We have an occasional non-ham play around on the local repeaters and I have heard some marginally illegal behavior on a 2M repeater late at night. The amateur radio community is such a small community compared to the total population. We need to self-police and correct bad behavior for the good of our hobby.
Also, if public agencies agree to work with the amateur community and these bad behaviors come out in a exercise or, God forbid, an actual emergency, the action may sour the LE and EMA authorities to our viability in the national command structure for emergencies.
There is no reason to act like this in our hobby. It is bad enough on the internet social websites and chat rooms. We are ambassadors for an alternative volunteer and hobby organization. I have subscribed to this thread, because I want to see what happens to this effort. Thanks for your hard work on this problem and keep up the good work.
 
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by ONAIR on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry to hear that. 146.52 has really picked up in activity lately in the NY, NJ and Connecticut areas, with a fine bunch of hams connecting most evenings and many afternoons! It's really nice to get off the repeaters for a change, and play on 2 Meter FM simplex!
 
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by K8IO on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I dont want to get too embroiled in this thread. But a couple observations and comments. 1) Calling CQ on FM in certain parts of the country and the world is accepted. Frankly, it gets more response than Wxxx "listening". I hate throwing out my call and nothing but crickets. Only to have a "local" come on a couple minutes later and another local jumps in and says yea, been pretty quiet for the last hour I have been listening. Really? Selective hearing I guess. To me that is just as rude as making a snide comment. During the Dayton Hamvention it is not uncommon to hear a dx visitor call cq. on the local machines. Most are polite and make contact. How about organizing net night on 146.52? If they choose to interfere, quietly document it, report it and then follow up with your congressman or senator. If you want to get the fcc to react put some political heat on them. It works trust me.
 
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by K9MHZ on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Not only has the dead horse been beaten on this thread, it's been massacred.

 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the nice comments.

Personally I think any region that has a similar problem should launch their own version of TAKE BACK 146.52

In many cases ignoring your local problem does not solve the problem, arguing back with them sure is not the solution.

But you can over come the problem, by simply refusing to get baited into arguments, ignore the personal attacks and promote a 100% positive attitude you are unable to stop the local trouble makers, but you can at least counter the damage they do and promote the positive of Amateur Radio.
 
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by WZ3O on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"1. Work alone
2. Rehearse your alibi
3. No matter how many times law enforcement asks you to repeat your alibi, do not deviate or embellish it.
4. Prosecute the target with extreme prejudice. Be swift, decisive and do not return to the scene.
5. Admit nothing. Ever. "

If there was ever good advice....Just Sayin'
 
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by N5XO on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Begin Quote:-->by WZ3O on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"1. Work alone 2. Rehearse your alibi 3. No matter how many times law enforcement asks you to repeat your alibi, do not deviate or embellish it.
4. Prosecute the target with extreme prejudice. Be swift, decisive and do not return to the scene. 5. Admit nothing. Ever. "

If there was ever good advice....Just Sayin'<-- End Quote.


If you enjoy spending your life in prison as Bubba's girlfriend I guess so...

Personally I enjoy life to much to throw it away for butt heads.


 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Well I have put forth my point......

I firmly believe if you are going to defeat idiots in life, you must never join them in the behavior that is pissing you off.

At all times you should be the POSITIVE FORCE IN THE RELATIONSHIP and never lower yourself to the same level.

This is what Project take back 146.52 is about. Not running off the idiots in life, not becoming part of the problem. But showing the world that the idiots are not all that are out there and that you can remain positive and be part of the solution.

There is nothing more for me to offer this thread, so you all have a great day.

Enjoy Amateur Radio and have a good day.
 
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by NC4TB on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I never put one together or used one, but I imagine a very low power transmitter with an audio oscillator feeding same very close to the offending ham's antenna would work wonders. You can't attack what you cannot hear. I know we aren't supposed to do things like that but if the FCC cannot/will not act......
 
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by NC4TB on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I never put one together or used one, but I imagine a very low power transmitter with an audio oscillator feeding same very close to the offending ham's antenna would work wonders. You can't attack what you cannot hear. I know we aren't supposed to do things like that but if the FCC cannot/will not act......
 
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by K1CJS on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry to hear of such problems in that area. Good luck in getting them taking care of. Up here in southern New England, there is really not too much to take back on 146.52--unless it's the sometimes deafening silence on that particular frequency! 73!
 
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by WD8T on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Reading this post and the link to "The 52 Liars Club" has just reinforced the fact that my hobby of 25 years becomes more pathetic and less fun every year that goes by. Very sad.

The poster and his group are just as bad as the 52 Lairs club they are working against. There is no difference in my mind between the two. Both makng amateur radio less desirable to a part of.
 
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by EX_AA5JG on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What exactly is illegal here? Part 97 doesn't require us to be nice to others on the air. I can pretty much say what I want to others, as long as it isn't obscene.

73s John AA5JG
 
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by W4KVU on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't understand the "Take Back" part - Who owns "it?"
The eleven meter mentality slowly creeps in.....
 
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by KF4HR on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"What exactly is illegal here? Part 97 doesn't require us to be nice to others on the air. I can pretty much say what I want to others, as long as it isn't obscene."

The statement above, while absolutely true, pretty much sums up what's wrong with our hobby today.

You could legally walk up to any stranger on the street and say anything you want, but considering you might get attacked and/or killed, would you? I think not. So is it safe to say that some of these overly vocal hams are really just hiding behind their microphones?

When the transmit button is pushed and anything short of being obscene/illegal) is said, it is not a one-on-one exchange, but rather a public broadcast for everyone with receive capability, including the government, to hear.

I feel sooner or later the small percentage of hams that are generating these poor operating practices on our bands, and the fact that these bickering issues are being brought to the attention of the gov't, will eventually result in our hobby loosing total respect of the FCC and the general public, the same way CB Radio did.

And with federal budgets becoming tighter and tighter it wouldn't surprise me if someday all licensed amateurs receive a letter in the mail stating that it has become too expensive for the FCC to police the reported poor practices of the amateur radio community, therefore all amateur radio privileges have been revoked. (Read: With the flick of a pen, the gov't has converted your pretty ham gear into pretty dust collecting door stops.)

This could be especially true considering commercial communication technology is constantly improving and should eventually overcome its current technical pitfalls and lack of redundancies to where amateur radio emergency communications efforts may no longer be necessary. So the gov't will then view our hobby as an unnecessary government expense (let's call it... amateur bickering control).

To that small percentage of hams that feel they need to speak their minds on the air and push the limits of common sense and decency, why not put down your microphone and confront the person(s) face-to-face? Then say what you have to say..... but first let's duplicate what you are doing on the air... be sure to have a wide amateur and public audience watching and listening to what you have to say. Under these conditions my guess is, 99.9% of these overly vocal hams, that enjoy hiding behind their microphones, will instantly fall silent.

KF4HR


 
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by K7NDE on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This garbage (on both sides) is the direct result of lowering the qualifications and standards  to become licensed in the Amateur Radio Service. I'm troubled and saddened by our once great and respected hobby racing to the bottom. The signs are everywhere. To e-ham: after printing this trash don't look for a  subscription renewal from me.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N9JPS on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Really! What kind of retarded children are we dealing with on this thread! So what if you think it is not illegal according to Part 97? What about the illegality of slander or libel? What about the blatant irresponsibility to be civil to another person? We will see how legal you feel it is when a person sues your pants off for your slanderous or libelous language. What is so wrong with raising the level of discourse in this hobby above that of a whining toddler or spoiled brat with a chip on your shoulder? Sometimes I wonder why some of you got into this hobby in the first place if all you wish to do is insult others and whine about your 'feelings' being hurt or you are a know-it-all smarta$$!
Just calm down, ask if this is the way you want to be treated and treat all others like you want to be treated. If you want to treat others like a knucklehead, then by all means we shall treat you like a knucklehead!
73, (Which means 'Best Regards' or 'Best Wishes'.)
Bill
P.S. - The spectrum is a shared resource until the FCC confiscates it. Use it or lose it!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Start Quote: -->What exactly is illegal here? Part 97 doesn't require us to be nice to others on the air. I can pretty much say what I want to others, as long as it isn't obscene. <<-- End quote


Slander/Harrasment are both illegal. Unfortunately not in the realm of the fcc, but under criminal and civil laws prosecutable. That has been done now.

Stalking/Vandalism/terrorist threats are very much illegal and charges are filed by multiple individuals.

The image that people like this portray of Amateur radio to new comers to the hobby, and visitors to the region is sickening.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K5TED on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The profanity laced email from a follower of the OP was not appreciated. Just sayin..
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by WB0MCO on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Too bad we as humans we have forgotten how to treat
one another. I hope the plan works for 146.52 and these
trouble makers are prosecuted. We need a program like
this in my home town,to recover the local repeater. We
have a repeater policeman who orders people off because
of "idle chitchat".
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by EX_AA5JG on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
""What exactly is illegal here? Part 97 doesn't require us to be nice to others on the air. I can pretty much say what I want to others, as long as it isn't obscene."

The statement above, while absolutely true, pretty much sums up what's wrong with our hobby today."


I didn't mean that I should say whatever I want on the air, and I certainly don't practice that. I was just talking about from a FCC/Part 97 standpoint. If people want to be mean to others on the air, while I don't condone it, there isn't much we can do about it. The FCC won't revoke someones license or fine them because they were a meanie on the air.

73s John AA5JG

 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by WM2D on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What exactly is illegal here? Transmitting "hoo boy!" on 146.520 without any station identification violates Part 97 Section 119 of the Rules and Regulations of the Federal Communications Commission.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KA4ETV on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hey. Let's not insult retarded citizens.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N1DVJ on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"This garbage (on both sides) is the direct result of lowering the qualifications and standards to become licensed in the Amateur Radio Service"

I personally think it's pretty much a lack of intelligence when people try to blame this on the lack of standards. It's been shown many times in the past that the testing doesn't matter for situations like this. It's not the mainstream people. It's not the newbies. It's people who live 'outside' the rules, those who feel 'entitled', that are the problem, REGARDLESS of what test they took, or when they took them.

eHam won't get your renewal? Well, too bad... I won't miss you!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K5MO on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Its why most of have radios that allow us to move to .46 simplex.

Ignore the attention seeking losers on .52

John K5MO
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by WZ3O on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Begin Quote:-->by WZ3O on January 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"1. Work alone 2. Rehearse your alibi 3. No matter how many times law enforcement asks you to repeat your alibi, do not deviate or embellish it.
4. Prosecute the target with extreme prejudice. Be swift, decisive and do not return to the scene. 5. Admit nothing. Ever. "

If there was ever good advice....Just Sayin'<-- End Quote.


If you enjoy spending your life in prison as Bubba's girlfriend I guess so...

Personally I enjoy life to much to throw it away for butt heads. "

WOW, I guess I must just have a weird sense of humor & some people don't get it...Oh Well... c'est la vie...


 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on January 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Begin quote: This garbage (on both sides) is the direct result of lowering the qualifications and standards to become licensed in the Amateur Radio Service. I'm troubled and saddened by our once great and respected hobby racing to the bottom. The signs are everywhere. To e-ham: after printing this trash don't look for a subscription renewal from me.<<-- end quote


I have to be rude, but the above is pure bull crap.

The problems we in the local ham community here face have nothing to do with lowering qualifications, new hams, etc. In fact the problems are strictly caused by two so called FCC tested old hams.

This is a problem with 60 Plus year old men acting like little children and has nothing to do with qualifications, testing, VE systems, etc.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K1CJS on January 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have to agree about lowering the standards produces thing like this--that IS pure baloney. The real problem today isn't confined to the amateur radio service--it is running through ALL of society these days. People have simply forgotten how to be polite and respect each other. THAT is the problem
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K1CJS on January 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
BTW--Why does this site have an "Ignore" button on the forums? Think about it!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W4FJT on January 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I'm a new ham, and the proper protocol for VHF was well covered in my training. On a recent trip I made many contacts on 146.520, which then moved to 146.550 for some nice QSO's. Although I have occasionally heard a CQ or two on 2 meters, I opened with "W4FJT mobile and monitoring." Worked fine every time. Made some new ham friends along the way.

I'm 60 years old, haven't had any electronics since high school shop, and yes the Tech only took me about a week of study, the General about a month, and I'm struggling now with the Extra. I can't comment on what the tests were like before.

Recently I answered a CQ on 80 meters, and the guy told me "I can barely hear you, you need to get a better antenna because it's very competitive out here, 73's." That's the worse thing that's happened to me, and heck, he was right about the antenna.

Thankfully, the rude operators, frequency owners,etc. have been few and far between so far for me.



 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N8YX on January 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Folks...the last thing the amateur community wants or needs is for something this stupid to be escalated into a case of justifiable homicide.

You read that correctly.

Texas Castle Doctrine (http://www.rc123.com/texas_castle_doctrine.html) makes provisions for the use of deadly force against those caught in the commission of certain criminal acts. Trespassing and property damage may not be among those but if some knucklehead gets caught with a pair of wire cutters in hand and threatens the "accused" here, things may turn ugly in a hurry.

Sorry to say but the miscreant operators will be completely in the right should they have to defend themselves against hooligans. Whether or not they're being an a-hole on the air is of no consequence whatsoever in the matter.

 
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by VE6TL on January 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
And I thought 2m was dead! I used to listen to 146.52 for years and only heard a few signals (and my area of coverage is over 3000 sq mi). Finally unplugged the rig about a year ago and haven't missed the nothingness.

Perhaps the best thing to do would be to give these guys awards for creating interest and renewed activity where there was probably none before. Then make it their responsibility to continue to monitor the frequency and keep up the good work. Nothing like turning something into a "job" to take all the fun out of it.

 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W5XXL on January 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good evening folks. I, and a host of others, have been side by side with N5XO and been on the forefront of this project. We all knew going into this that we were going up against two sociopaths that do not comprehend there is even an issue. These two often try to play the role of the innocent victim in most cases. This project was not intended to "run them off," it was intended solely to promote a positive face on amateur radio in San Antonio. Plain and simple. No need to try to interpret it into something any different. The local 2m airwaves have been polluted by these two for over 30 years. The facts are the facts. The FCC and the ARRL have proven to be useless in this situation. Multiple complaints have been filed and both organizations have turned a deaf ear to the issue. Recently this has gone to a civil case and is being taken care of accordingly.

Since beginning this project back in November we have gained 2 new "KF5" hams into the Unusual Suspects group. Both of whom are interjetic and ready to explore the hobby. Both have proven to be great assets to our group. If we continue to gain new blood into the hobby (and as a byproduct and added perk, new members to our UNclub) than our efforts are not in vein.

73s to all and to all a good night!

--Wesley
W5XXL
San Antonio, TX
www.wx5us.us
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by AD5TD on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have even had to deal with these two horses behinds and I live 150 miles away from them. I think one of them runs 1500 watts (or more) on FM.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K9MHZ on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
N8YX.....bingo.
 
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by KC5NGX on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The only way to take it back is to associate bad with bad!Hurt is something they will understand.

Go gettem!!

Kc5ngx
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
GREAT MINDS DISCUSS IDEAS.


AVERAGE MINDS DISCUSS EVENTS



SMALL MINDS DISCUSS PEOPLE.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by N5XO on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The Unusual Suspects have long been big supporters of Simplex Operation on 2 meters. Effective Monday November 28th 2011 The Unusual Suspects aligned with the Local Amateur Radio Community will begin promoting the use of Simplex Operation for San Antonio and promoting 146.520. Not only is this a local goal, but part of a wider National Effort to increase activity on 146.520.

We would like to encourage all local Amateur Radio Operators to join in and promote 2 Meter Simplex Operation. On the National Simplex Frequency of 146.520 you will find new Amateur Radio operators who need your support and mentoring, you will find travelers and visitors to the San Antonio area, help promote a positive image of San Antonio Amateur Radio Activity plus for those who enjoy working 2 meter DX, 146.520 is where you will hear those distant stations, coming in from 100, 200, 500 and even a 1,000 miles. It is exciting to work another State or Country on 2 meters.

Please join in, and help promote and use 146.520.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by W5XXL on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
One last thoought.... We as a group decided to move on to 52 and place a positive face on 2m for new hams and visitors to our great city. We took the inititave and did what every other club in San Antonio was not able or willing to do.
 
RE: Project Take Back 146.520  
by KB1TXK on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Its funny...a bunch of people in central Maine chat frequently on 52. Always a friendly conversation, lots of opportunities to break in, anyone hearing a weak station better than the others will relay, etc. Theres always someone new showing up...its a lot of fun really.

Earlier this month, on of the 52 locals received a very bitter letter in the US Mail about all the chatter on 52. Letter had no return address, but included complaints about how it annoys people w/ scanners set to 146.52, and how the band plan shows it as a calling frequency, no ragchew, etc etc.

Even when its good, its bad :|
 
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by KC5CQD on January 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If it's really as bad as you've described, it sounds to me like it's time to maybe begin administering some ass-whippings. Just make sure there are no witnesses. I know it sounds crass but that's the only thing a lot of people in this world understand. Physical violence. I'd be putting the fear of god into them and they would be leaving their homes looking over their shoulders. That's an easy table to turn on radio bullies.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K9MHZ on January 30, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by KC5CQD on January 29, 2012 If it's really as bad as you've described, it sounds to me like it's time to maybe begin administering some ass-whippings. Just make sure there are no witnesses.<<<<


Good grief. Just when you thought you'd seen just about everything on here.

 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K0RGR on January 30, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
We had a serious issue with a mentally disturbed individual here a few years ago. The man was/is deranged, and demands to be heard. Unfortunately he has a scanner and a dualbander. He was eventually invited to leave by the police, and thankfully, he did.

This situation sounds like you have three people who all need medication, or are already self-medicating.

I wish those who intend to use .52 correctly well.

And yes, somewhere along the line, .52 morphed from the 'national simplex frequency' to the 'national calling channel'.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KD7YVV on January 30, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
While I agree with putting a positive spin on ham radio,
some of the comments I've seen here are just downright
terrible. I've read comments about pinning coax, ass
whippings and other forms of retribution like jamming the
frequency with a small foxhunt transmitter etc. etc.

I recently posted in the 5 mhz thread that hams are
supposed to be ambassadors of goodwill.
It seems a lot of hams have forgotten the one basic
lesson that gets taught to children right after they
enter kindergarten. "If you cannot say something nice,
then don't say anything at all". I've read on one link
(topix) that one of these two individuals is known as
"fatass" and supposedly weighs over 300 pounds.
Again, according to the topix article, the yard is
"overgrown and looks like a jungle". Well, has anyone
bothered to offer the hand of friendship and offer to
help? There are two favorite sayings that I learned in
my life. "The best gift anyone can give is of oneself."
The other is, "In order to have a friend, one must be one."
Granted, I do not live in the area and have not
had the pleasure of encountering these two individuals,
but I've often read that misery loves company.
Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.
If it did, I'd ignore my mortgage and all my bills. :)
Just a few thoughts......

--KD7YVV, Ocean Shores, WA
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KC5CQD on January 30, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Well now that I've taken a stroll through KD7YVV's fantasy land of "ham radio goodwill ambassadorship" and "smooching the rear ends of jerks in the hopes of making them like you"....I think I'll detour back to the real world. A world wherein some people, no matter how much you try to play nice and reason with them, are just friggin' jerks. Sorry, Mr. White but some people only understand a swift boot in the ass. I've met many of them throughout my life and "the boot" always worked wonders. I would recommend you go to "Youtube" and check out a song by Hank Williams, Jr. It's called "Attitude Adjustment". It's not only a humorous song but it rings more true than most people like to admit.

Sorry if my recommendation of an "ass-whipping" offended you. Didn't mean to do that. I was just offering a pragmatic approach to the situation.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N1DVJ on January 31, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
While being nice, polite, and respectful should ALWAYS be your first tact, some people just don't understand that there are rabid dogs in the world that just need a bit of force to get them on the proper track.

Then there are those that are just plain on a different moral compass... 2x4's work well there...
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KD7YVV on January 31, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
OK first off, let's get a few things straight.
Being from NJ, I have no problems responding to a bad
attitude. I've also met many who only understood
nothing except getting their ass kicked in the street.

Yes, there are times one needs to literally
pound some sense into a knucklehead who's too stupid
to know when to shut up.

Second, ham radio goodwill and ambassadorship are not a fantasy.
I've met many good hams who do take the time to promote the hobby,
teach new hams, and actually participate in their
community. To me, that's no "fantasy" as you put it.
It happens to be a part of the ham community in
which I am involved.

I do agree with you that there are people in the
world that understand nothing but a boot to the head.
To use your words, yes, there are jerks in the world.

My post was based on all the negative comments posted
and I didn't see one where anyone extended the hand
of friendship. I did take a couple of hours and go
through all the comments on the topix forum (all 608
of them) and I think my quote from Mark Twain is
appropriate to that forum. "Never argue with an idiot.
He'll lower you to his level and beat you with experience.

Your recommendation of an "ass-whipping" didn't offend
me. As I said, I'm from NJ. <GRIN!>
While it may be a pragmatic approach and while there
are times such things are called for, my original
comment was based as I said, on the fact that I did not
see one offer of friendship.

I never said to bend over and kiss someone's ass.
I asked if anyone had extended the hand of friendship.
Please don't put words in my mouth thankyouverymuch.

--KD7YVV, Ocean Shores, WA



 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by WM2D on January 31, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KD7YVV: the recurrent churlishness and presumption among hams--at least in online forums--makes me wonder how amateur radio was ever associated with anything as altruistic as public safety.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KD7YVV on January 31, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe those that are altruistic are on the radio
instead of online? :) Eh, I dunno. There are people who
wake up and are glad to see another day, and there are
people who wake up and dread another day. I did see a
link on here that said the FCC warned these hams to
take it off the air. Three replied, one didn't.
Still though, to me it's an interesting study on the
human condition.

--KD7YVV, Ocean Shores, WA
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K6SDW on February 1, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Reagan in the 80's gutted the FCC under the guise: small government is good, remember?
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W4FJT on February 1, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If anything. this thread is a great example of how many of us forget to treat others with respect, both on and off the air.

I wish nothing but good luck to the Take Back Project, and I feel lucky that it's not a problem in my QTH.

146.52 is the National Calling Frequency for 2 meters. Throw out your call, make a contact, and move the QSO to another simplex frequency--most of them are quiet most of the time. Most locals hang out on the repeaters anyway.

I realize that band plans are voluntary, as someone pointed out, all we really have to do is follow the FCC regulations. But I think we can all agree in good faith to honor the customs long established by those that have gone before, many of them silent keys now. Surely the National Calling Frequency is of enough use to continue that tradition. Heck, in the short time I've been aboard I've used it quite a bit with some success.

Cheers.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KD8FTH on February 2, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
K6SDW said: " Reagan in the 80's gutted the FCC under the guise: small government is good, remember? "

True words small central government would be beautiful. But part of the reason is that the FCC didn't need to drive around in black vans patrolling for rogue hams who could interfere with govt/military radio. They have since at least the 80's moved to on to more secure modes of communications. In other words ham radio can't threaten national security any longer.....Ham radio is a hobby, akin to flying model aircraft. Self policing and trust that the hobbyist will abide by long standing traditions. No more nanny's to tend the play pens!

73 Ron
KD8FTH
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by EFUDD on February 2, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I remember when I was a kid and "CB" radio was in its hayday, and folks would act the same way. I also remember several of the men in the CB club telling stories about how old so and so got a brick through his front window a couple of weeks ago, or another "ol so and so" got his coax cut...now we know that isn't the right way to go about doing things but it sure did get those folks attention back in the 70's. I think y'all have the right idea in ignoring them! Hope to see good reports on this in the near future!!!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KA4ETV on February 2, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
New Jersey is a hell hole and nobody cares about anybody's opinion there.

A complete bunch of mannerless idiots.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KI4WIN on February 3, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Here's my two cents:
First, THANK YOU to the organizers of this movement. I APPRECIATE it.
Second, I applaud your efforts to handle this in a mature, appropriate manner, and I am glad to see you are making headway with your current methods.
Third, I am glad to see that the age-old method of handling bullies still works, and there are still mature people who employ these methods.

Happy Hunting, and 73!
 
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by KC9EHQ on February 3, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Just a quick question: I haven't been on the air on 20 in the evenings, but is there still questionable activity on 14.275 or 14.315 by a certain Canadian and some other US stations?
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K9MHZ on February 3, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The only thing I hear on 14.275 now is a continuous loop of Radio Amateur Newsline. I haven't heard the Jerry Spring Show on that freq in quite a while.



 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KD7YVV on February 3, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
New Jersey is a hell hole and nobody cares about anybody's opinion there.

A complete bunch of mannerless idiots.


KA4ETV: That's what they want you to believe.
There are mannerless idiots all over the place.
However, Jersey people (at least the ones I know)
have no problem about not caring what the rest of
the world thinks of them.
However, I must disagree with your opinion that
New Jersey is a hellhole. There are some very nice
areas of the state that is not a concrete jungle.
There is a place called Tranquility where the stars
just light up the sky. The Poconos has some nice lush
forests and one sees a lot of beautiful places.
It all depends on one's outlook on life.
Look for the bad in anything and you'll find it.
Snickers or whatever her name is and the clueless
people from Jersey Shore do not represent the
entire state. There a lot of nice things about my
home state. One just has to look.

--KD7YVV, Ocean Shores, WA


 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KA4ETV on February 4, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ok I know. I'm just using the old broad brush there a bit too much.

Sorry. You seem like a good guy. 73
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KD7YVV on February 4, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
No apologies needed. You're entitled to your opinion
as is everyone else. I just pointed out some of the nice
things about my home state. I haven't been back in a long
time. I wonder if one can still see the stars in
Tranquility. I wish I had pictures. I see you're a 4
call, so I take it you're in Florida? Never been there
but I hear the Everglades are nice.

--KD7YVV, Ocean Shores, WA
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N9YNG on February 4, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My QSL card has an image of the lake near my house. It's very pretty, I should send you one, so you can see for yourself. ;-)

I can see it from my front porch.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N9YNG on February 4, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Those Orange clowns from that show are from New York.

Just saying...
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by AC7CW on February 4, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I was volunteering after an earthquake. The only repeater that I could hit with my handi-talkie was being jammed by some clown. True story.

Everybody needs to read up on psychopaths. They lie, they like to dominate, they like to get control of something you like and make you beg for it..

This culture doesn't deal with them properly, they should not be innocent until proven guilty, they shouldn't be reasoned with because they simply are not reasonable.. Treat them like animals, punish them for behavior you don't like and reward them for behavior you do like...
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on February 5, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Start Quote: -->> Everybody needs to read up on psychopaths. They lie, they like to dominate, they like to get control of something you like and make you beg for it..

This culture doesn't deal with them properly, they should not be innocent until proven guilty, they shouldn't be reasoned with because they simply are not reasonable.. Treat them like animals, punish them for behavior you don't like and reward them for behavior you do like...<<-- End Quote.


This unfortunately is an extremely true statement. Within the local problem area of San Antonio many individuals and groups have attempted to reason with these individuals over the years.

It is absolutely impossible to reason with irrational people, and under the definitions of sociopaths you will find that they are totally irrational and unreasonable. At all times they must live under a pretense that they are all important and the world must revolve around them.

So unless you wish to spend your life stroking those individuals massive ego's you will be a target of irrational, unreasonable daily attacks and if you stupidly respond at all, they will then become victims. There is not possible way to avoid them, even in death they still hound the targets.

This is why we choose to make Take Back 146.520 not about them, not about arguing with them.

Take Back 146.520 is simply nothing more than an effort to put out a solid positive voice, to provide a positive image of Amateur Radio and of the San Antonio Region.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K2WLO on February 6, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Where is the FCC through all of this? If there are operators not following the rules of their license, then they need discipline. End of story. I can't believe no one has been able to record what's going on. Has anyone contacted Lee H. Cooper, W5LHC the ARRL section rep for South Texas to see if he can help?
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KJ4KKI on February 6, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
In my time on the radio, I think I've said "crap" a couple of times; nothing worse. I don't remember dissing anybody, except noting that people who tune up on frequency are annoying. I've found almost all the hams I've encountered to be wonderful folks. Some were a bit too formal it seemed (that got old...), but meant well. If these two people are known to other operators, they need to be audio taped while they are on the air, have their tickets pulled and face criminal charges. As for the guy with the divorce, I'd be looking into filing slander suits against them.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on February 6, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have logged 20,000 + contacts on all the HF bands, 6 meters as well as DXing and grid chasing on 2, 1.25, and 70cm....

With the exception of extremely rare incidents all of my contacts have been very pleasant and I have had the honor of making some of most solid stand up friendships due to Amateur Radio that I have.

The individuals on 146.520 are the exception to that rule. In capable of enjoying life and amateur radio unless they are putting others down and do all they can to try and make others as miserable as they seem to be.

I refuse to allow them to color my perceptions and use of Amateur Radio and destroy it for others. Which is why we go out of our way to promote a positive image of ham radio in-spite of these individuals actions.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K5TED on February 6, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
On my QRZ page you will find 4 different wideband web controlled receivers I have in San Antonio, running 24/7. Interested parties should feel free to tune in anytime and have a listen for yourself.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N5XO on February 6, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Start Quote: -->> On my QRZ page you will find 4 different wideband web controlled receivers I have in San Antonio, running 24/7. Interested parties should feel free to tune in anytime and have a listen for yourself.
<<-- End Quote


That will be hours spent out of life they will never get back.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K9FON on February 7, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A good long range rifle with a calibrated scope and a steady trigger finger can take out an antenna from afar. That is IF the troublemaker has an outdoor antenna!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K9MHZ on February 7, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Oh yeah, I'm sure the judge will completely understand.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52' (among other freqs)  
by KE4RWS on February 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The same thing goes on where I live in Port St Lucie, FL. Except here it occurs on 146.475 MHz. These people, and I use the term *people* loosely here, attack others in the same regard as those being discussed here.

I used to talk on .475 every day because I love two-meter simplex but quickly began noticing a distinct negativity of at least two of the main guys on that frequency. Both are from New York, as can easily be determined by their sharp accents and attitudes to match. And much like the characters in this story, these losers just love to cut others down over absolutely nothing at all. And when there isn't something minor to cut them down over they make up incidents and try to expand on it by coercing others on frequency to say things that aren't true about those in question.

After a period of time I had enough of their BS and left the frequency after having words with the main ringleader, Dennis. The way these *people* talk you'd swear they sported wings and lived in heaven. The really funny thing about the main ding-dong is he claims he earns nearly $45 grand per year as a turnpike Road-Ranger, which is merely the equivalent of a roadside helper that jump starts people's cars, sweeps up glass after accidents, helps broken down motorists, etc. Even an FHP Trooper doesn't earn THAT much, yet he claims they pay him more than a Trooper to sweep up glass. Yeah, right.

How sad is it that people have to lie about how much they earn in their jobs instead of just being honest about it, or better yet, not mention it at all. But it's ironic this guy jumps all over people the way he and his little buddy does when his own life is less than stellar . . .

It got so bad here the club they originally formed was dissolved and the online blog was shut down. Fortunately the guy that created the "475 Club" was a decent enough fellow and felt it best to remove himself from this group and dissolve anything he created for it. Hence, the club blog forum was history. But the losers still run their mouths about people on their "channel" to this very day. Daily cussing, failure to ID, running people down left and right is as rampant as ever. But their following is but a few who have yet to realize how caustic this baloney is. One day they'll either wise-up and vacate the frequency as most others have or they'll join up for life because they too are just another one of those losers who like to run people down every day for some innocent reason.

These people have no business talking about others. But they do it anyway because to them it's FUN to poke fun at others, even when their own miserable lives aren't all they claim it is. But unless they've outright killed someone you won't find the FCC lifting a finger to do squat about it. I made high-quality recordings of the frequency in question for two months, capturing numerous F-bombs, lack of identifying, cutting people down left and right, not to mention HOURS of other things that are at least borderline violations. That was last year and they never did a damn thing so you can forget any action whatsoever from the good people who claim to be the ultimate authority.

Utterly disgusting people in my opinion.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52' (among other freqs)  
by N5XO on February 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Start Quote: -->>How sad is it that people have to lie about how much they earn in their jobs instead of just being honest about it, or better yet, not mention it at all. But it's ironic this guy jumps all over people the way he and his little buddy does when his own life is less than stellar . . . <<-- End Quote


You're description sounds identical to our local issue. It appears that the mental issues that prevail in these folks are common and bond them together.

It is uncanny how similar they all are.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52' (among other freqs)  
by KE4RWS on February 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Quoted Text: "Your description sounds identical to our local issue. It appears that the mental issues that prevail in these folks are common and bond them together. It's uncanny how similar they all are" End Quote.

Hey Greg,
It's just a shame there are people like this in the world at all. With all the real problems folks have these days the last thing we need is a group of idiots who deliberately insult and outright do their best to injure others with their trash talk. But I'm sure it happens in a lot of places around the world whether people admit it or not.

After I left the lunatic channel in my own area I realized just why other people I was friends with would never visit that frequency, or rarely stopped in to begin with, as they knew what lowlife's these idiots were and simply did not want to be associated with them by "hanging out" there. But it's amazing the BS we will tolerate just to try and talk to people and be friendly with them - even though all they really want in return is to tear you apart in some pathetic way.

As you already pointed out, if you and I exchanged a email or two we'd find just how truly similar these events actually are. I logged on earlier this evening to the fellow who has an online receiver in your area to check out what your local people are saying on 146.520 MHz but nobody happened to be talking during the time I was monitoring (not that I really want to hear that stuff since I can hear it where I live on 146.475 MHz). But I was curious about your particular area regarding .52 simplex, who is there and what it is they say and do. Besides, using these remote receivers can be fun and I enjoy it these days :)
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W6MCN on February 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I wish you luck in returning 52 to regular Ham use. We had a similar problem on one of our local repeaters and followed the same rules as you are recommending and got the person in question to stop. I look forward to calling out next time I am in the San Anton' area.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by N0WJH on February 14, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
just listened to 14.313 today hate for my wife a new ham to overhear it for sure ...what can be done ??
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by XE1UFO on February 14, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This kind of behavior by jerks on the air cannot be tolerated. We are having enough problems recruiting new people.

Reminds me of the nefarious mega-LID K1MAN, Glenn Baxter. (If you don't know what I am talking just Google his call letters.) I used to have a good time running huge pile-ups on twenty meters. With a very busy frequency in use, Glenn would jump on top of us and start calling CQ DX. It was very deliberate, and every night. I sent him several letters, to which he never responded. Then one of my famous "LID AWARDS". I can only imagine what the poor souls who have to share his house or miserable life must be going through!

And yes: SOMEBODY needs to print these pseudo-ham "operators'" call letters.

And revealing personal details (divorce, etc.) is a crime, if you did not authorize it. These actions need to be thoroughly documented, and then somebody needs to bring a law suit. A good lawyer would get his share out of them, and not you.
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by K5TED on February 14, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, in the U.S., divorce records are public records readily available from the court clerk, therefore not illegal to discuss on the air. Bad form? Perhaps, but not "illegal".

Looking up someone's background through the myriad public record websites then discussing it on air is not illegal. Openly conjecturing on the air based upon those records in not illegal. Posting what you find on public records to a website then directing people to the website via amateur radio is not illegal, as long as there is not personal gain involved.

You see, all these things I've mentioned, while potentially irritating, selectively insulting, and possibly maddening, are not illegal. They are potentially inciteful to those who are dedicated to listening to the conversations between two amateur radio operators. People who do not listen will not be affected in any way.


Now, back to our regular program..



 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W5XXL on February 15, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ted, I do not know you and thus I want to remain neutral with you, but what I can do is speak to the facts.

What they do is get 1% fact and manufacture 99% lie, and you can show damages to reputations when folks hear it on a daily basis and begin to believe what they say. There is strong case for slander in the making. Albeit, slander cases are tough to prove in court, but its all in the recordings...


But there are also very good laws out there regarding harrassment and Stalking {the latter is a felony}. It is my understanding that there are 4 individual complaints filed with local police departments, 3 of which have after months of investigation
had the local police departments build strong enough cases for criminal charges. (None of the cases have been filed by me so I can neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of actual filing) One case, I am told, has already been submitted to the DA, another case will be going to the DA in the next couple of weeks and a 3rd is still pending. Let this fact speak LOUDLY... if the DA thinks there is a strong case then who in the world are we to dispute them? We presented solid evidence. One thing we have that they do not is the TRUTH.


So at least in the minds of San Antonio and other Police departments there appears to be extremely strong evidence to support them filing charges. We may come up on the loosing end, we may gain NOTHING, but at least at the end of the battle we can say we tried. We utilized the legal system, whithout resorting to violence or vandalism as some have advised in this forum.


They like to claim they just want to enjoy a first admendment right to go on the radio and speak about politics, gun control, and topics such. We all wish they would discuss those topics as well. But instead they choose to use radio as a tool to broadcast the lies they fabricate against others.

I am sure Ted if you were the subject of the lies you would be singing one major different tune. While I must agree tht divorce records and background information is public record, there is no reason to air someone else's dirty laundry on the air. We all have things in our past we are not proud of and wish to forget. The thing they forget is that these events have made us stronger and made us who we are today, the DO NOT define our character.

Once again Ted, I joined this hobby to make friends, not enemies. I do not know you and simply want to point out a few facts.... 73 folks!
 
RE: Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by KA9CQL on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
We have a variation of this problem in Southern California. Not only is 146.52 now a local "rag chewing" frequency between a handful of hams, a number of local 440 repeater owners have chosen to crossband-repeat this simplex chatter onto otherwise useful repeater frequency pairs, and have locked local repeater users out altogether.

Not only have SoCal hams, therefore, lost the use of the National Simplex Calling Frequency, we've also lost some much-needed repeater frequencies to the regurgitation of the "dot-5-2" conversations.
 
Project 'Take Back 146.52'  
by W5TUT on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If the deep wells on the ranches don't work, you aren't very far from some gator filled bayous in Louisiana
 
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