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A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical

Remy Bosio (N5VEG) on February 16, 2012
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I like to experiment with antennas and have built many dipoles for the various bands. I have a commercial vertical and like it but I wanted to try to build a smaller, simpler light weight vertical for multiple bands.

I came up with what I call the "Wonder Stick"!

The Wonder Stick is composed entirely of schedule 20 PVC pipe and a piece of copper-weld 12 gauge wire.

I purchased 3 different sized white PVC pipes a 1",3/4" and 1/2" of 10Ft. lengths. (each length was $1.97 plus a 1/2" end cap for .37.(the rest was tax)

I already had the copper-weld wire and 3 bolts to drill and secure the sections. I shoved the copper wire down each of the lengths seperately then tied them together equally to an overall length of 25 feet. I left about 18" pigtail of copper wire through a 1/2" hole drilled 1 foot from the bottom of the 1" pipe. Once bolted together and in one 25 foot piece, I walked it over to a 3foot PVC pipe I had hammered in the groung on the side of my house. After it was erect on the pipe mount, I connected the shield to my pre-existing radial system and the center connector to the copper wire through a large dirty balun choke coil.

I used my 857D with LDG autotuner to push the signal and it was able to tune it pretty much flat on 10,12,15,17 and 40. (20M didn't tune as well except at higher end of band.) I made numerous contacts today on 12,15 and 17 meters in the US and Mexico all with 5-9 RST's! Javier in Mexico said I had a strong 5-9 signal!

So, if you are on a budget or just want to build a really good working vertical for the price of a burger and fries, try the Wonder Stick!

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A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W5LZ on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Considering the cost of the 'new' all band, "do everything" vertical antennas being sold, what are you gonna do with the rest of that $300 (estimate) you saved? Not too sure I could stand that many burgers and fries... ;)
- 'Doc

(Good for you!)
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KA4ETV on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article. Thanks.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by AB3MP on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good job! How big is your radial system?
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by WX7G on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Very good and it shows the fun and satisfaction to be had from rolling your own antenna from odds and ends.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ha,Ha,Ha! I bought a Kindle Fire!
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W8KQE on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent article! One can really assemble their first effective HF station 'on the cheap' if they know how to. I found a used IC-725 (for a newly minted friend Ham) in very good condx cosmetically, and perfect working condx, for $320 on Ebay. With a power supply, some coax, and a multiband antenna like this, one can get on the air for under $500! Compared to what new equipment costs these days, i'd say that's pretty good.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KA4KOE on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I am constantly amazed at the manufacturer claims that the typical 43 foot vertical all bander doesn't need radials....

I put down 8 radials for one that belonged to an elderly, local ham. He was AMAZED at how much better the thing played WITH radials.

Gotta have dem radials! I don't care what the makers claim.

Philip
KA4KOE
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by NV7SY on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks 10^7th !!! I am getting back on the air after a five year absence, and am building my meager station up beginning with a used TS-130 and an old MFJ 12V Power Supply I had kept. While pondering how I can get an antenna up on my minimal retirement budget, I came across this article. I will go to my local Lowes H/W store this weekend and put this thing together.

Now all I need to do is get the antenna tuner :-).

Looking forward to meeting up with you on the air.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by WA7KPK on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
In my case the cost for this antenna would be about $200 more since I don't have an autotuner. :-)

I may just do this anyway, since if I put up the 80 meter loop I want to build it'll need a tuner and a nice 40 meter vertical would fit well alongside one of the support poles..
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KC4YT on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If you don't want to buy a tuner wind you a coil on a piece of pvc pipe at bottom of ant, attach an alligator clip to your coax and tap the coil for lowest swr/most pwr out.
Plus if you gotta tree, you don't need the pvc. just throw a rope over a limb and pull it up.
It works!
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KK0DJ on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Remy... great article. Can you tell me if you mounted the antenna in the clear or up against something? If out in the open, did you guy it? If you could, take some shots of your handiwork too for those who have never built an antenna ... pictures are great! Thank you again!
73
Dennis
KK0DJ
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, KC4YT is correct. I have made two coils for this antenna made out of a 3" PVC form and some #14 insulated wire. They work too! Wrap about 12-14 turns for a 40 meter coil. You disconnect the feed side (center connector) before the choke balun and attach the band coil directly to it and the antenna feed point. No need to disconnect the shield side of the choke coil. You can use a cheap manual tuner for this application with no problems.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
You can mount it on a pipe in the ground (4 feet long with 2 feet in ground) steel or PVC and it should stand wind up to 40+MPH. It is more secure when mounted a few feet up on a structure or use a couple of guy wires (monofilament or mil spec chord at the 3/4 way point.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W8DU on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What I am trying to figure out is how you hammer a piece of PVC into the ground without shattering it? Unless, of course, you live in a marsh!
Tnx fer the article. Glad it works!
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W5DQ on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"In my case the cost for this antenna would be about $200 more since I don't have an autotuner. :-)"

Autotuners are great. I have one and it's good for what I use it for which is portable work when I don't want to lug around one of the big manual tuner I also have. One issue I see occuring over and over when these experiences are detailed is everyone seems to think you need an autotuner to make it all work.

Like I said, they are great. But for less than 1/2 the price (or less if you buy used) a manual tuner with the same capabilities can be purchased. Sure it takes a few more seconds to change bands, but I highly doubt anyone needs to QSY instantaneously on the ham bands.

When using a manual tuner, you can create overlays for the controls that in essence makes QSY'ing basically a plug-N-play, no xmit required effort. You will need to do a tuneup on the frequencies you most use. You can do this when the bands are dead or low bands during the day and higher bands at night - just observe good amateur practices and don't QRM anyone in the process. Then simply jot down the settings. Update your overlays and QSY is as simple as change bands and resetting the tuner controls. You dial in the presets and you should be able to sweeten the settings as you transmit the first couple of exchanges.

A full legal limit manual tuner can be bought used for the price of a new 200W autotuner. It will usually have a broader range of impedances and antenna types that it will match too.

So when you on the cheap starting out, don't forget to take a look at a manual tuner. It may save you some bucks that can be used elsewhere in setting up your station.

Gene W5DQ
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by WA7KPK on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Gene,

That's why I posted the bit about the loop. You need a tuner to make one of those work (especially if you feed it with ladder line). I actually have two different manual tuners out in my garage. Somewhere. Packed away about two moves ago and probably hidden behind a couple of rows of Christmas decorations and old baby clothes. I want to find one or both of them and put them to work. I'm old fashioned enough to actually like having knobs to fiddle with and settings to tweak rather than have my equipment do all the work for me.

Not that I'd mind having an autotuner, mind you, but my wife was very tolerant of my spending the money to buy my FT-857 so I could get back on HF after too long an absence. I'm not sure she'll be quite so willing to spend more money on equipment that will do the job of stuff I already have around the house.

73, Creede
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KH6DC on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great article! That $6.87 is actually $25 in Honolulu, Hawaii as everything here is hyperinflated and that's without tax.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KC6YFR on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article. Giving me ideas. Two questions. Is the tuner in my Kenwood TS2000 "strong" enough to match this antenna? How long are the radials?
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I live in a marsh!
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, any autotuner should be able to cope with it.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have radials of varying lengths. It seems to work fine with at least 2 radials of 30 feet.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K8YZK on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article, and I always liked working with antennas, but a couple things helped you out. The autotuner, and the radial system already installed. So the article on the vertical is correct, but for those starting out, don't forget to put down some radials and you don't need a autotuner which are nice, but a good manual tuner will work also. It just takes a little longer to get it setup.
Oh on last thing I would suggest if you don't have one, a good Antenna Manual.

73 and God Bless
Kurt
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KDMSKY59 on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
There is a little problem with impedance matching. Of course you could build a 9:1 unun using a Radio Shack choke core $3.99 and some magnetic wire (12 turns primary, 4 turns secondary) wrapped through the core.
Then you would have a working antenna.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KDMSKY59 on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Of course you would use the unun if you lacked a radial system. But how much did it cost to install all the radials?
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K7LA on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This would be an excellent project to share with new (young) hams as a demonstration that you can get on the air inexpensively and effectively.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W3TTT on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great article.
But let me add one hint. I also have a pvc pipe vertical. But I did one thing different. I dug a two foot deep hole, placed a 2 foot long, wider gage pvc pipe, and poured cement. Now, all I need to do to "erect" the antenna is to place it in the cemented pipe. I now have lots of fun making all type of antennas, and just placing each in the pipe.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N0AH on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A good tuner can tune a dead grasshopper-
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K0WA on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great article....

Check out: http://www.k0wa.com/vert.htm

It doubles the expense...but it works real good.

32 radials.....
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by AE5ZE on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Remy great article!! I am going to build one this weekend, I have a manual tuner and everything except the pipe. After testing, if all goes well I will use it for field day and when camping..
By the way when you said you pounded the PVC into the ground, I knew where you lived! The ground is a little harder around here but not by much.

73
Jim
AE5ZE
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K1XT on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hmmm... I think he left out the price of the LDG tuner.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N4JTE on February 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Okay, a 25 foot multiband vertical the price of a hamburger, discounting auto tuner, radials etc. that's a whole bunch of missing hamburgers!
I appreciate the use of pvc, but a tree and wire doing same thing might be the cost of a large coke, who knows.
What I do know is the antenna you describe is about as efficent as a hamstick on your car, at least on one band.
Yep, any piece of wire inside or outside of plumbing pipe will work somewhere some time but this is not an idea I would suggest to anyone who wants to build something that won't be a dissappointment.
Bob
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If you call working Canada,Mexico and San Francisco from New Orleans with S-9 RST's a disappointment, then what am I doing wrong?
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W0AEW on February 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"If you call working Canada,Mexico and San Francisco from New Orleans with S-9 RST's a disappointment, then what am I doing wrong?"

Posting a good idea and expecting it to be appreciated by everyone who reads it.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Touche'
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W8LV on February 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good article. What I like best is about sharing efforts with other hams as you have is that it shows that if one merely follows the laws of physics, you can build an effective antenna. It's merely a tranducer to couple RF with the atmosphere....that's it, and it is a thing of beauy in and of itself! The physics care not how pretty your antenna looks,or if you purchased it commercially, but a commercial antenna without radials will still never efficiently couple an RF signal to the atmosphere. Never. Even if though they make those antenna ads really glossy and airbrushed, Truth is Truth. Many new hams don't know this...how could they? After all, when you turn to the FIRST PAGE of any radio mag, what do you see? Why, an ad for an antenna, of course! This is NOT to rain on the reputable antenna manufacturers out there, and the names will be witheld to protect the guilty. Keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing.
 
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by N7SWL on February 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Awesome article! Roll your own is the ONLY way to go!. I'm gonna add this one to my antenna farm. I built a 20m vert last summer after my G5RV was destroyed in a wind storm. Same idea: but I used EMT I bought at the local Home Depot. Two sections bolted together (cut to length for around 14.250 or so), 4 radials, fed with 50ohm coax. Tunes up on 20, 17, 15, 12 and 10. First contact JA with 5-9 sig rep.

Sweet!
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W5DQ on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"If you call working Canada,Mexico and San Francisco from New Orleans with S-9 RST's a disappointment, then what am I doing wrong? "

Well Remy at face value, nothing. First your article was interesting article but in stating the success of a vertical antenna system, which is customarily touted for its low angle of radiation to work DX, was to be able to work San Francisco, Mexico and Canada from Louisiana then in many observers view point you haven't really accomplished much. For instance, I have worked coast to coast on a simple 6M loop from my QTH in Southern California using only 10W when 6M is open. Personally, I would expect a decently installed vertical antenna system to be able to work almost any country on any continent, limited only by the varying conditions these days. As a related example, having just installed a Hustler 6BTV trapped vertical using 40 radials over very poor soil (actually mostly sand) in the Mojave Desert here in Southern California, so far this weekend in the ARRL DX CW contest, I worked 47 countries on 40M with that vertical in less than 12 hours of operating time. One would think with the setup you've described we would hear of similar results using 100W.

Again, this reply isn't to belittle your success in antenna building but rather to answer your question and give additional insight to what an expected result might be.

Good Luck in your antenna endeavors.

Gene W5DQ
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My antenna has only been on the air for under an hour. We have had extremely bad weather here with lots of lightning and thunder so I will test further when weather modetates.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by G3RZP on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
You can build a tuner very cheaply, especially if you can manage without auto tune. I had one which for years, matched anything I could give it, covered 80 to 10, (160 with a clip on capacitor but less matching range) and cost about 10 cents in 1971 for parts bought at a radio club junk sale. Then some dumpster diving for the piece of wood it was mounted on and a few nuts and bolts and the like, scrounged from work - or local hams. A very cheap CB type SWR bridge and there we were....
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by NQ4A on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good Job and very creative.
I was thinking of using a copper pipe up through the center of the PVC. Since RF Travels on the surface (Skin Efffect) of its conductor, might improve on bandwidth.
Good job.
73
Jon- NQ4A- Richmond, VA
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by NQ4A on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Remy,
I forgot to mention that I have 6 DXCC's on the wall all worked with a vertical antenna !
Be proud of your accomplishments.
I liked one readers comment, "Roll Your Own"
Very best of DX for you this year.
73
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W4XKE on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Keep in mind that this is February. In July PVC will wilt like a wet noodle.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K0TF on February 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, just wonderful, you forgot to mention price of the tuner $150 +++, and ah... ground radials $3.70 per lb. of scrap copper... One more little thing, efficiency... Not too shabby at the end of the day, isn't it?
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Poor,poor,pitiful me!
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by M6GOM on February 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Using a remote tuner such as a SGC230 would improve it a fair bit. You're going to have some quite frightening co-ax losses with a tuner at the radio end of the co-ax.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KC2EIW on February 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I built a similar antenna last fall, a 25 foot long piece of wire attached to a partially retracted 33' MFJ fiberglass mast I had lying around. I attached four elevated radials for 10M and two for 40M as a start. It is resonant on all of 10 meters and can be effectively tuned for 20M and 40M as well. It did very well during the 10 Meter contest last fall, almost every contact was a "contest 5/9" on the first call, barefoot with 100 watts. Worked about 70 countries in two days. Granted, conditions were good and I'm in a good location. More so than the success I felt for the contacts was the feeling of accomplishment in constructing a homebrew antenna that appears to work well. I really don't care what the ground losses are or if my rig-side tuner is causing even greater losses. I had more fun during that 10 meter contest than I had in years. Not every antenna has to be engineered to perform at 100% efficiency on all bands at all times, especially when we are constructing them as a hobby for FUN. That's not to say we should be half-assed about things and not follow the basic rules of physics in their construction, but to try to achieve broadcast-like performance is both counterproductive and usually unrealistic. Keep experimenting and keep up the great work!
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K3SI on February 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
try adding 1/8 wavelength of RG-11 or RG-59 right at the base into the antenna and you will cure the 20 meter problem as what you have at 25ft is a 3/8 wavelength for that band.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KJ6SBW on February 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea. Thanks for sharing. Do you by chance have a photo that you could post?
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It's the one one the extreme left.
[IMG]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/Skyeye45/AWonderStick.jpg[/IMG]
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K1LLR on February 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
real hams dont use tuners,plus any verticle will transmitt equally poorly as it receives
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Real men DO use spell checkers though!
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KK3Q on February 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know about other manufacturers of 43 foot antenna but the one I use (Zero Five) suggests at least 16 radials. I don;t know how they would work without them. My set up currently has 75 radials under it and works pretty good considering the crappy soil here in Florida.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W1JKA on February 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting article and informative
responses even to a MAKEBELIEVE ham like me who occasionally uses a homebrew tuner.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K9VJR on February 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great article Remy...do you have any written instructions with diagrams to help put it together? I'm in the market for a Kenwood TS830S and wondering if this verticle would work on roof top without a ground radial system since I live in a subdivision with a small back yard???
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by W5GRX on February 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I mounted mine on a t-post driven into the ground.
I used electrical 1 1/2 inch pvc it is heavy but I wanted to use the t-post. Makes it easy to move around if you put the radials on top of the ground.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on February 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't have any diagrams but it can be mounted on a rooftop with radials. In concept, most verticals are ground mounted.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K6PLR on February 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I just read your article Remy-good work. I have made the antenna you have described plus a few other wire verticals cut to frequency using insulated home appliance cord and four radials. My cheepest is a discarded swimming pool pole with hand grip in the center. Fully extended, with a couple extra feet of aluminum pole at top and bolts to have continuity between poles, I can set length for resonance on 20,17,15 and 10 meters. Also, I am going to add a tapped coil at bottom for resonance on 40 and 80. The pole sits in an outside picnic umbrella stand with a small flag at the top. Works great and almost stealth, with light blue paint, which keeps my XYL happy. I have worked the world with it. No trees or other poles in yard needed for hanging dipole type antennas. I use 5 to 500 watts with it.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K8JD on March 1, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The price for the required remote autotuner makes the ACTUAL price more like $306.,87 !
A better value would be a simple trap vertical where you adjust the antenna for minimum SWR when you assemble it and never need a tuner. AND it works better than a piece of short wire ! TRUST ME !
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K8JD on March 1, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A short, remotely tuned monopole works like doodoo if you neglect the counterpoise under it. The base connected tuner may not be able to match it at all.
Roof mounting is good, but At least few radials for eAch bnd you want to use is MANDITORY.
good luck.
 
A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KJ4WS on March 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
O.K. I have never messed with a vertical antenna for HF. Could I mount a Vertical like this on my roof using the Aluminum roof as a counterpoise/ground? The roof is about 40 feet wide and on an about 15 degree slope each way on each side and about 50 feet long. Next question, would Ladder Line 450 ohm work to reduce the losses that Coax would have because this is a Harmonic Antenna on some bands? I am currently using 118 foot Flat Top at 40 feet up. It is fed with 70 feet of 450 ohm Ladder Line with a 70 foot RG-8X choke balun behind the operating desk and ran out the window with a direct connection to the Ladder Line. The big roller inductor tuner is really happy with all bands. It seems to work very well. Also, my ground is less than 6 feet of 1.5 inch wide copper strap connected directly to the hot and cold copper water pipes which are running through the concrete foundation. I really enjoy 75/80 but reading here the addition of something like this Vertical might do better for DX.
73 to all Wade/KJ4WS
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on March 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The roof would probably be a good ground plane. I would try it. Just mount it close to the roof on a short pipe or roof tripod. I would not use ladder line on this type of antenna. Just use a good low loss coax. You might experience good results for DX. Who knows?
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by HAMDUDE on March 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
always some know it all flathead to bring doom and gloom on a decent idea...
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by KT8K on March 14, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A good counterpoise/radial system will add 2 or 3 S units to your signal and I wouldn't be without it.

Elevated radials work very well and allow you to get away with just a couple per band. Ground contact involves a lot of loss (capacitance to ground) that can be avoided by raising the radials even 6 inches, though I usually slope them up steeply from the antenna base so that they are almost entire above head (and deer antler) height. Often I mount the antenna on a mast so that the base of the antenna is also above head height, or even make the whole thing out of wire and hang it from a convenient tree.

KJ4WS - your aluminum roof should work just fine, but make sure the sections are electrically connected. I knew one ham who did some checking with an Ohm meter and ended up putting ground straps between the panels in his metal roof, secured with sheet metal screws and star washers, to make sure it would be a great counterpoise. Afterward, any vertical he put on top of that roof worked great.

Best reception & 73 to all de kt8k - Tim
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by K5RIX on March 15, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Where in that $6.87 does the autotuner fit?
 
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by K0WJ on March 15, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical Reply
by K5RIX on March 15, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Where in that $6.87 does the autotuner fit?

The same place the 857 fits.
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on March 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Today , just about every amateur has some form of antenna tuner, besides most decent radios today come with a built in. You can run this antenna on one band but with any tuner(it dosent have to be an auto-tuner) it does 5.

The relative cost figure is for the antenna only!
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N4FG on March 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
for K4KAI or anyone else

N4FG
Fred
fgriffee@gmail.com

Have a Palstar AT-2K for sale but not posted yet. It's mint condx. Asking $400. About a year old.

Fred
 
RE: A $6.87 25 Foot 5 Band Vertical  
by N5VEG on March 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think your sales ad is appropriate to this article. Please move it to the classified section.
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by KJ4DKT on March 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Remy--Great article!!! I use a 68ft sloper, and two different 18ft verticals. All work very well. I have talked all over the world with vertical wires. I would bet that a 34ft vertical would work well, also. Good day. Fred
 
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by KR4HV on March 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I am glad to see home brew antennas. Good job.

Just one question. I hear "push the signal" or what are you pushing?". I have never seen that term in electronics or communications training courses or manuals? What does that exactly mean?

thanks!
 
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