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Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:

Tim Cotton (N4UM) on April 21, 2012
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Over 900 signatures have been collected via an online petition at Change.org to ask the FCC to void existing outdoor antenna prohibitions made by developers and homeowner's associations. The petition requests that "reasonable accomodations" be made for amateur antennas in HOA's etc. Those of you who do not wish to submit formal comments on this matter (GN Docket 12-91) to the FCC may support the petition by a very simple process of going to the site listed below and signing the petition. It is important that the FCC receive your response(s) by May 17, 2012. Take a minute to make this effort to improve amateur radio. Encourage the hams you speak with on the air and in other online forums like this one to do likewise. If you have the time and interest to submit formal comments to the FCC on this matter, by all means do so.

http://www.change.org/petitions/federal-communications-commission-void-antenna-restrictions-by-homeowner-s-associations-and-developers

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Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by K2VI on April 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I just signed it, thanks for posting this for signatures. I am currently looking to move and have seen some nice homes however there all HOA restricted.It is getting very frustrating but i refuse to submit to this rule. So you own the house and property but they make the decisions what you can and can not do on your property.And a monthly fee to boot.We need to ban together and try hard to repeal this ruing.

tony k2vi
 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by AB7RG on April 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I just signed it as well. Thanks for submitting the petition, and the article.

Tnx agn & 73
Clinton, AB7RG
eHam.net Articles/News Editor
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on April 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
1000 Petition signatures have been received as of 2025Z 4/22/12. That was the goal I set for myself when I started this effort. I've beat this horse long enough. If someone else wants to take a turn, be my guest!

Thanks to all of you who signed.

If you haven't signed yet or don't know what it's all about, click on the link below.

http://www.change.org/petitions/federal-communications-commission-void-antenna-restrictions-by-homeowner-s-associations-and-developers

 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by KD8Z on April 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I give the HOA supporters and the covenant supporters a couple of days before they pipe up with the venom opinions telling us how stupid we are to purchase homes in an HOA restricted area. They like to jump on anyone that wants to be able to become radio active in the HOA areas. They feel you should have a half a million dollars to be able to fine a non-HOA home.
On a lighter note, I support this petition whole heartedly so you folks in deed restricted areas can join in the hobby, there are to many little dictators out there trying to impose their form of the perfect subdivision.
To all the poisonous replies yet to come to my rant I bid you a fond farewell and a putrid pfffft!
 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by W4JWM on April 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Take to Dayton! Have a dozen ham pass around...WIN this battle.
 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by K7NNG on April 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
HOA lackeys take our basic American freedoms from us.
They have way too much power.
DICTATORS.
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on April 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good idea! I've never been to Dayton and have no plans to go this year but I think it's a good idea if someone wants to try stirring the pot on this issue in Dayton.

"HOA hams unite...you have nothing to lose but your antenna restrictions!"

"To the barricades."

"Viva la reasonable accomodations!"

"Give me reasonable accomodations or give me money!"

"35 feet or fight!"

"HOA's cause erectile dysfunction (when it comes to antennas.)

etc. etc.
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by KD7YVV on April 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
There are a lot of places out there for sale.
Some quite reasonable. I've found plenty of places
online that don't have HOA restrictions.
I guess it's all a matter of where you want to live.
Some like the gray skies and rain, others like the
sun and desert. There are lots of places for sale
in my county, and the best thing is, I don't think
Grays Harbor County even knows what an HOA is.
 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by K1CJS on April 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Why? It's simple. The arbitrary denial of any kind of ham radio antenna should be illegal. Period.
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on April 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
1400 petition signatures have been collected as of 2230Z on Monday, 4/23/12!

Keep em coming.
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by KB7QOA on April 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I just signed it. It shows over 1600 signatures now!

I know some naysayers will say "just find another place to live." I just bought a house a couple of months ago, and believe me when I say that is not as easy as it appears. Over 90% of the MLS listings within our budget ended up being in HOA controlled subdivisions. This made it difficult for our agent to find homes for us to look at. Of the remaining 10%, very few were in a reasonable condition or within the distance we wanted to be from work. We absolutely love the home we ended up buying, but would we have found something we liked better had 90% of the market not been immediately discounted because of some stupid restriction? Who knows... I do know that I wouldn't need to be working around overhead utility lines had I been able to choose a newer neighborhood with underground services.

73 de KB7QOA
Jeremy
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by K5ML on April 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I just signed. I also forwarded the petition link to everyone on my email list, both hams and non-hams and would encourage you to do the same.

The recent passage of the Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Enhancement Act gives us our best shot to get some relief from antenna restrictions that are a threat to us all. You may not live in an antenna restricted community now, but the day may come when you do. If circumstances require that you relocate, or if you are forced into an assisted living community, do you want to give up amateur radio? If not, please take a moment to read and sign the petition.

73,
Mickey, K5ML
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by W6EM on April 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The part that bugs me the most about CC&Rs is their 'chilling effect' on anyone, especially kids, who might want to pursue getting licensed.

Sure, no restrictions on HTs or mobiles, but how much will a prospective ham be able to hear with no outside antenna? A simple long wire or dipole to listen with appears to be banned in most all HOA documents.

The net effect? Fewer and fewer hams as time passes, especially those who can use HF effectively.

Old f's like me can live in the country and operate, but how many potential future engineers get told by their parents "no, you can't become a ham because our homeowner association says you can't have an antenna."

73,

Lee
 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by WB4SLI on April 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I tried to sign it and kept getting errors. This may be due to the fact that I am doing this behind a proxy and firewall and someone else here had already signed this. The ARRL has a pick on their site where you can put your two cents worth in.
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on April 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Any way you can let the FCC know your feelings on the matter if fine. The best thing to do is go to the FCC site and enter formal comments. So far only 70 or 80 formal comments have been filed. As I write this nearly 2000 signatures have been collected on the petition. I'm not aware of what the status of information gathered by the ARRL is. I think this is probably the best shot amateur radio will have at getting some reasonable accomodations in regard to antennas in a long long time. Lets not blow our chances!
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by W6EM on April 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Tim: Yes, while the ARRL's production will be long, it will be really important, so is your petition and individual comments to 12-91.

If we can show the FCC that in spite of what it has done to protect satellite dishes, over the air Internet, and TV antennas hasn't worked well, that will be a plus. Why? Because as it stands now, most all of the developer Antenna Restrictions even being recorded now ban everything, including the above, which the FCC preempted in 1996!!! If we can provide enough evidence that developers and HOAs aren't following existing OTARD regulations, (they aren't) then maybe the FCC can be convinced to put some TEETH into OTARD, making even leaving supressing, chilling language in CC&Rs a violation of FCC regulations, with appropriate fines, etc., for not removing it.

The FCC spends a lot of time now hearing complaints and issuing Declaratory Rulings to allow satellite and outdoor antennas under OTARD because the language still exists in CC&Rs.

IMO, it won't be good enough just to have amateur reasonable antennas added to OTARD. The entire antenna restriction language has to go from CC&Rs, period. With strong penalties if it isn't removed from CC&Rs by a cutoff date. The chilling effect on anyone thinking about getting a license is huge, the way they are now written. Has to be changed so that won't continue.

73,

Lee
 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by KD8Z on April 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Any new edicts from the FCC need to be retroactive to allow for all existing CC&R's and Covenants in established subdivisions. Most of the HOA's are tyrannical in nature and never really submit to court orders, they only bend temporarily, only to re-issue an eviction notice or take further legal action even after the home owner "wins" sanctions against the HOA in what is often only the first round of litigation. Thus, the Amateur/home owner never really wins, they often end up bowing to the more powerful and wealthy HOA by either leaving the Amateur Radio Service or selling the HOA controlled home outright, which in the current Real Estate Recession is not a good financial decision. Yet even thesedays many Amateurs cannot afford a couple of acres and a home in a more rural setting where they can erect antennas at will. New home purchases are often in a subdivision to help offset upfront costs, gain access to the utility infrastructure, and lower the tax burden. As such the CC&R's, and Covenants are unwanted obstacles to the Amateur Radio Operator although often unavoidable often greatly limiting the Amateur Radio operator to a surripitious radio existance.
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on April 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Petition update:

To date over 2000 petition signaures have been collected. If you have not yet signed, please check out the link below...

http://www.change.org/petitions/federal-communications-commission-void-antenna-restrictions-by-homeowner-s-associations-and-developers


 
Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by WU6W on April 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
HOA's just have blind hatred of Amateur Radio. There is NO explanation to ban every type of antenna. There is NO attempt at accommodation of our hobby. Yet it is OK to have rusty ore cars sitting on the front yard because it's "folksy" or pretend 10 foot windmills proudly displayed on the front lawn. Yet Amateurs can't hav a 10 foot vertical antenna stuck in a Fir tree in their back yard. NO LOGIC AT ALL !!
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on April 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
4/29/12 ...2200 petition signatures have been collected
 
RE: Petition FCC: Void Antenna Restrictions:  
by N4UM on May 2, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
2300 online petition signatures have been collected as of 5/2/12. You have 15 more days to sign the petition if you have not already done so.
 
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