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BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:

from tulsaworld.com/ on May 8, 2012
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Where will it end?  
by AI2IA on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Why of course, secret radio communications for secret police!

They can justify anything in the false name of "security."

We all know that security is mortals chiefest enemy. - Shakespeare

It is so easy to make up their own "ten codes." They don't need elaborate and expensive secret systems.

The fools follow the road. The wise men ask, where does it lead. - Confucius

A dangerous evolution from being there to help you to being there to take orders from their masters.

On the way to absolute power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by KV4BL on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This disturbing trend is one more step toward the police state that this country is becoming. The cancer of totally encrypted radio systems began in my area in my county of residence over ten years ago when the Sheriff decided he wanted his department to be, "the secret police". It is a public safety issue in that I can no longer leave a scanner on and hear reports of severe weather local LE is experiencing before it gets to me. Also, when they are looking for bad guys in my neighborhood, I have no way of knowing how many, what they look like, or how heavily armed the bad guys may be. When and if the department and the media decide to share that with us, we will find out... sometimes weeks after the incident.

FWIW, I am a retired cop and I dislike this, just as I did when I was working the job.
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by W5UNX on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Talk about your paranoid conspiracy theorists. When will those police learn that the world isn't out to get them.
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by N9LCD on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
1. Burglary & narc gangs DO USE scanners to monitor
police activity. Maybe the perps in your area
haven't been caught doing it yet!

2. If you'd look at the number of police LOD deaths
and serious injuries, you'd know that SOME PEOPLE
ARE OUT TO GET POLICE!

PS: I'm NOT a member of the force and neither are any
of my family members.

N9LCD
 
RE: BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Acces  
by AE6RO on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Don't worry, be happy. That's my advice! John
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by N4WVE on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
So what? There is nothing on there you need to know. Personal info about victims, witnesses, etc is not something the general public needs to hear. Alot of people use the scanner just to be a "nosey Nell".
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by KE5HMV on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I am shocked at the lack of knowledge of some of the posting. As with all communications systems, you need more capabilities usually using the same bandwidth or less. The digital systems allow voice and digital communications which are more reliable and provide more capability than existing analog sysems. If you want to listen to them, be prepared to spend a few bucks on a APCO 25 capable radio. And yes; there are bad guys who use police communications to keep from getting caught. Wake up folks. The world is a dangerous place and the police need the latest tools to keep us safe. You should be supporting your police not complaining because your walmart scanner won't work.
 
Plain old common sense.  
by AI2IA on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Posted: "The world is a dangerous place and the police need the latest tools to keep us safe."

The wolves arrested the rabbits for their own protection. Much later when the other animals inquired about the rabbits, the wolves told them that unfortunately they had to shoot them because they were trying to escape.

It seems that the only tool that they have not recently acquired are nuclear weapons.

Just look at them now. Do they look like police to you anymore?

Terrorism and hate crimes could be anything they want them to be.

What is wrong with the old ten codes?

Why shouldn't folks have scanners?

Didn't some big shot say something about making government more open? Maybe he forgot he said that.

 
RE: Plain old common sense.  
by W6EM on May 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ray, you have it right.

Just heard on the news here that someone in the Southeast had been arrested for "failing to obey," apparently a misdemeanor. What the H is "failing to obey?" Now, I can go along with evading arrest as a citeable offense, but the other one sounds cuckoo. Like something straight out of Beijing or Havana.

As I said in my GN-12-91 FCC comments, failure of trunked junque and esoteric digital modes don't make for interoperability in a disaster. One only need to look to the experiences of Hurricane Katrina and 9/11.

Then again, our new designator and reason for continued existence might just be the "BA" Radio Service. BA taken to mean Band Aid. We can be the "cans and strings" to enable disabled esoteric storm trooper commos. Achtung!

Lee
 
RE: Plain old common sense.  
by W8AAZ on May 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have a trunked scanner that I do not turn on that often. IT is useful to me to listen in to reports coming in during severe weather. The county and city put the public servents out to observe funnel clouds, etc. and I can hear stuff going on with weather that I cannot hear just on the local skywarn. People call reports to dispatch, not skywarn. I can get a fuller picture of where someone is seeing a funnel cloud, etc. from the local radio system. Even if they went to a newer open access digital system I could still get an expensive scanner to keep up with reports. The LE agencies use cellphones for alot of confidential info and that is fine, it does not involve public events like severe weather or disasters. IF a fire dept unit spots a potential funnel cloud out in the county that no one else has reported, why is that secret comms? They set off the sirens whether the threat is close to me or 20 miles away. I like to know specifics.
 
RE: Plain old common sense.  
by KB3Z on May 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What set this whole thing off was 9/11/01. And also, as long as Motorola and EF Johnson are going to create systems where they can encrypt the police departments will buy them and the citizens of that area will fully support it! We have a local PD Department from Upper Merion who fully encrypts and their primary focus is in the King of Prussia PA area. You ask the officers about it and they don't understand why they should encrypt because their communications are not that sensitive in nature.
On the other hand guys, we now have Dstar which is nothing more than digital radio that you can't monitor on a regular VHF/UHF receiver. Could we say that we are using encrypted communications using Dstar? Mark KB3Z
 
RE: Plain old common sense.  
by W6EM on May 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Mark, KB3Z:"Dstar which is nothing more than digital radio that you can't monitor on a regular VHF/UHF receiver. Could we say that we are using encrypted communications using Dstar?"

Yep. Let's use Dstar or P-25 exclusively during the next disaster so we can't all talk to everybody else. Or, so we can't talk to NG, Coast Guard, etc., with a modded radio if a massive crisis like Hurricane Katrina should happen along. In a crisis, using an encrypted mode limits who you can talk to. Plain stupid, IMO.
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by KC2WI on May 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I can see both sides to this argument.

Do I think that sometimes the police [and other government agencies] abuse their authority? Yes. Am I concerned about the fact that ever-increasing limitations in the name of public security could theoretically lead to loss of individual rights and freedoms and total government control? Yes.

It may be that certain officers have a bad attitude - they forget that they are sopposed to protect and serve and that we are supposed to be presumed innocent instead of presumed to be lawbreakers.

Having said that, I am not paranoid. I really don't think the police are out to get me or any citizen.

I do believe that the public has a right to know what is going on, but that does not mean they need to know all details of what law enforcement is doing in real time. The only ones who "need" to know that are the criminals.

I do believe that a lot of scanner listners are just busybodies or news junkies that listen primarily for entertainment. They certainly don't "need" to know.

So really I have no problem with the police keeping communications private. They are doing it now with cell phones. What is the difference which technology is used?
 
BA's New Police Radio System Blocks Public Scanner Access:  
by KF9XK on May 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Open Sky is just a big computer network. It is IP over radio. Take a 25Khz channel make it 4 time slots. Alows for pictures scanned information and greater coverage. Uses standard off the shelf routers and servers. The handhelds and mobiles are refered to as terminals as that is thier job on the network(enduser interface). They signon and download what they need to operate in the enviroment. Until it signs on and is validated it is only a block of silicon with a battery. Every radio can be user specific. If you need 100 radios in a work group just download the info. Change groups at will. Very flexable but not actually encripted.
 
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