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What We Like To See In A Classified Ad

Neil Xenias (K9CTB) on November 8, 2012
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Many of us in amateur radio circles watched in horror as auction sites like You-Know-Who became more and more mainstream on the Internet. "This marks the end of the good old-fashioned classified ad", we would say. While auctions didn't quite destroy the classified ad, they certainly did change the way we look at them. What follows is some of the best "lessons learned" from both posting and viewing lots of classified ads over the past few years. These are my own observations, and some have been verified several-fold by friends and colleagues over the years. In no particular order and with no intended hierarchy:

1) If you're going to list a classified ad, please be kind enough to include a price. Omitting the price and then further obfuscating your intent with strict or even impossible-to-follow contact instructions, means only one of two things: Either I can't afford your gear or you're nuts.

2) Don't take up valuable classified ad space by trying to link us to an auction site listing using "tinyurl" or one of the other link-hiders. We'll figure it out and deduce that you want a ridiculous auction site price for your gear anyway. See No. 1, above. Next ad, please?

3)"Package deal". Avoid using this description. If you want "out of the hobby", just say so and list each item separately. Nobody's gonna cough up $30K for your roomful of junk, from which only one or two items are actually usable, giving an even clearer indication of why you're leaving the hobby in the first place.

4) On trades: Trades are great and often result in a win-win for both amateurs. A word of advice, however. Keep your expectations reasonable when you offer a trade. You know the idea. Things of similar value ... that sort of thing. In other words, keep your X-box. Keep your 1990s era "laptop", and keep your bicycle. Nobody's gonna trade you their $1200.00 HF transceiver for your "modded" (golden-screwdriver) X-box that cost you $200 from Craigslist. Usually, people who have the KenYaeCom DSP rig you're drooling over are already gonna have a good-running computer. Chances are equal that their kids will have at least one functioning X-box with at least a drawer-full of games. Do yourself a favor and sell your $90 laptop for the $90 it's actually worth and save up for your dream rig. And your X-box? Put it back on Craigslist where someone looking for an X-box might actually FIND it!! Get your $200 and yeah, again, save your pennies for that HF rig. Uh, and your 10 speed K-Mart bicycle? What on earth are YOU thinking?

The bottom line here is that people who are looking in amateur radio related classified ads are looking for, guess what? Amateur radio gear! If you wanna trade gear, try to have a mindset somewhere in the vicinity of realism.

P.T. Barnum may have been right, but by the time a guy is ready to part with his $1200.00 HF rig, he's probably been suckered for the last time a long time ago, and your X-box ain't gonna change things.
Remember, the classifieds ain't an auction site for cryin' out loud! Leave paying auction site prices to those who have more ego than sense, and just be happy for those lucky enough to collect such high prices. Classified ads are for the more sanity-driven among us, and frankly, we'd like to keep it that way.

Author's note: Characters appearing in this story are purely fictional. Similarity between the characters contained herein and actual persons, living or deceased, is purely coincidental, unless part or all of this story applies to you! And just so you'll know for certain that I am not "trolling", or otherwise out for anything other than humor, and so you won't have any trouble determining the role model for each of these "rules", I, K9CTB (ex. N4CTB) have at one time or another been guilty of violating every one of them! Happy trading!

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What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by W4XKE on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My favorite phrase in an ad says, "If you don't buy it by tonight, it goes on eBay tomorrow".

Oh no! Don't list it on ebay! We'll pay whatever you ask, but PLEASE, please don't put on eBay! LOL
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KD4EBL on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
list your city as well, often I am looking to buy local and most ads do not say. Yes I can look in QRZ, but have it in the ad.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N6AJR on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!







Do folks still take news papers?? is an add on electronic media a "classified" add. and did it get the name classified stand for classy junk or because it was put in to classifications, like auto for sale, houses for rent etc,. is an E paper and really a paper?? I am just sayin....








 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WY4J on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A couple of good ones, rare Vibroplex Iambic paddle, or this is a museum item first model made that was posted last week all over the place for a few thousand dollars. If you can still buy it brand new it's not rare. If it belongs in a museum why are you selling it on a ham flea market site? BTW, I checked out the museum and it belongs to the seller and it must be in his basement.
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by W5HLP on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My favorite is in "wanted" ads is something like:

"Wanted: 1965 Klunkensquirter 55 Manpack Trail Radio. Must be in perfect condition inside and out, 10/10 no blemishes or modifications. Must have original boxes and manual. Must ship for inspection before $$ changes hands. Will only pay in Nigerian Postal Orders. Email Norman_the_nitpicker@Paininthetush.net"

Hmmm - I don't think so.

 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by AB0RE on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
... or list a ridiculously low price, sell the item in 3.7 minutes, and then leave the ad up for days longer...
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N0PSH on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have to laugh at all the ads that are asking for as much or more money than the thing cost new. When your getting rid of stuff price it to sell, heck its used stuff, I don't care if you say its a 10+ on a scale of 10, its used.period... Why should I pay what you want when I can go to Associated Radio and get it new for what you want. Just saying.
de, Alan
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WX4O on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I agree about 'too high' prices. I also wish (still) that anyone listing a "WTB" (Wanted to Buy) would include that in the title of the ad. It would save a lot of time looking at something that isn't for sale.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KB8ASO on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"I have to laugh at all the ads that are asking for as much or more money than the thing cost new."

Have you ever been to the Dayton Hamvention? This is a common tactic in the flea market. Even when you point this fact out to the seller they stand firm on the price. They are looking for a sucker.

"If it does not sell today, I will be listing it on eBay tomorrow" or “I can get $xxx.xx for it on Ebay” and “I thought I’d give ( fill in the blank ) first chance before I list it on Ebay”

PLEASE just list your junk Ebay and stop cluttering up ad’s, hamfests and Yahoo groups with tripe such as this.

Randy AB9GO
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K9CTB on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I'm very glad and honored that you guys are taking this in the humorous spirit I had intended. I remember trying to trade a 35mm camera (maybe worth 100 bucks in the '80s) to a fellow for his Harris RF-301. He didn't exactly laugh at me, but I knew he wouldn't go for it. I remember thinking he got that Harris for free, and he'd be glad to trade ... I turned out to be wrong, the first in a long string of errors. Now when I see some of these ads, I have to chuckle and reflect on when I had the same ideas.

73,
K9CTB
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K9ZF on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Or, how about this one:

"They are going for $XXXX on ebay!"

Yeah, they are LISTING for $XXXX on ebay, but not SELLING for $XXXX....

I can list my HTX-202 on ebay for $5000 anytime I want. Getting it to sell for that is a different story...

Great topic :-)
Dan

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RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KE7FD on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If I may touch again on something that was mentioned a few posts earlier: If you've sold your gizmo, delete your ad.

Let me repeat for the selling impaired: If your item (radio, power supply, mic, amp, tuner, or any other item) SOLD, as in you collected money for it or took something in trade and you no longer have the item in your possession, REMOVE your ad. Do not leave it there for days or weeks on end with tags like, "SOLD". If your ad suddenly disappears it's a pretty safe assumption that you don't have the item anymore. On the flip side folks, if the ad is gone, so is the item; don't keep trying to contact the seller. You're late, it sold, you lost out. Deal with it.

Glen - KE7FD
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K6JPA on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Or one better yet... if you are posting an ad, have the decency to reply to those that respond to it. Nothing like sitting around waiting for a response that doesn't come, because someone is too lazy to let you know the item is no longer available, etc.
 
Not Tested  
by HFHAM2 on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
One of my auction favorites is "not tested", which I'm sure often means, tested but doesn't work.

Another is "untested as we don't know anything about radios", again, probably means tested but doesn't work.
 
Can't find the microphone...  
by AB0RE on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Can't find the microphone... if it shows up, I'll send it later."

They really need to have a separate auction site for the CW guys. ;-)
 
Rare Item  
by WB4M on November 8, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
UP for sale is my rare Yaesu FT-2000. Also my hard-to-find PL-259's. Perfect condx except one scratch where a tree fell on it.
 
RE: Rare Item  
by W4KVW on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
DOZENS of those VERY RARE "YEASU" things.If you Google for whatever a YEASU is you sometimes find pictures of what looks like a YAESU.Those that have a photo that are listed as a YEASU usually use a photo of a YAESU because they could NOT find a YEASU either so I'm pretty sure they look a lot alike? They could NOT be the same thing because ANYONE can read the name right on the front of the radio or box & type it into their ad RIGHT? LOL Also those ads that say,"Wife says it MUST GO"!

Clayton
W4KVW
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K4IA on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Classified ad descriptions are like contest exchanges. Everything is 599.
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K1CJS on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My favorite ad was for a HF rig which listed it as 'good condition, sends and receives well' right under the sales header "Not working--For parts only."

Make up your mind, why don't you!! ;-)
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WX7K on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Tell me how much it will cost. Figure out shipping and packing and put it in the price. Nothing I hate more than to have to email and ask what the final price will be and not get an answer back.

Likewise PayPal fees. C'mon, this is the digital age, PayPal is fast, easy, and safe. I will pass on any item that will not take PayPal as payment.

If you list an item, for Pete's sake check you email more than once a week!

Newell
WX7K
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by HAMMYGUY on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If you smoke, please post it in the ad.

No amount of pictures will reveal that aspect of a radio's condition. If you don't mention it then it's really a lie of omission.

Nothing is much worse in buying a new rig than to open a box expecting a great new toy, and get blasted with what smells like a metal coffee can filled with cigarette butts from a military training camp.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K9MHZ on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>3)"Package deal". Avoid using this description. If you want "out of the hobby", just say so and list each item separately. Nobody's gonna cough up $30K for your roomful of junk, from which only one or two items are actually usable<<<<

LOL! So true, so true. You see that a lot of the "package deals" in the Collins collectors world.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KB9TMP on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Quote: "Likewise PayPal fees. C'mon, this is the digital age, PayPal is fast, easy, and safe. I will pass on any item that will not take PayPal as payment."

And I will also pass on anyone asking an extra 3% to cover their PayPal seller fees. PayPal rules say that you can't charge an additional amount to pay the fees, so why don't you include them in the price to begin with? Then if you want to give someone a "cash" discount so be it.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by NV7SY on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
...Likewise PayPal fees. C'mon, this is the digital age, PayPal is fast, easy, and safe. I will pass on any item that will not take PayPal as payment...

--------------------------------------------

This is a "REAL biggie" for me. Unless I personally know you, or have a compelling need for what you are selling, I won't blindly purchase a USPS Money Order and send it to you. I am currently in the market for something that will cost me about $2000, I have the $$ but I refuse to just rely on trust. If you even want me to consider buying your "stuff", specify you accept PayPal in your listing, and do not tell me I have to pay your PayPal fees. If you are too cheap to do this, then I probably don't want your stuff anyway.

I have been using PayPal for a lot of years, and on several occasions, the seller didn't live up to his end of the bargain and in each instance PayPal refunded every single penny of what I spent. When I sell, I always specify PayPal as my preferred method of payment as they have NEVER let me down. It is fast, easy and relatively cheap, in fact, using their UPS/USPS labels, I usually save their fees in reduced shipping costs.

If you don't agree with what I say, that's okay because it is just my opinion and I would probably never buy anything from you anyway.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N4NLQ on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
And what about the ads which say " $xxx OBO". "Or Best Offer" means that the seller is going to collect offers and accept the best one if he doesn't get his asking price, essentially opening an auction.

How long is this auction going to run? I have to reserve funds in case I am the "Best Offer" and stop looking for someone who is willing to accept a fixed price. Say I found the item from another seller at a fixed price. Am I obligated to honor my offer on the OBO auction?

Guys, "Will sell for $xxx" is a classified ad. "OBO" is an auction; take it to eBay or Craigslist.

Allan - N4NLQ
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by NV7SY on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
...and, how about the same ads we see every day, week in and week out...going on and on for months and months?

It seems to me if an item doesn't sell in a week or so, the problem may be:
1. The price is too high
2. The description is woefully inadequate
3. The seller has a poor reputation
4. There is no mention of means of payment/shipping
5. The seller is an inexperienced "dealer wannabe" using the internet as his primary market
6. It is something that no body in the world would buy at any price.

This is just an observation... Yes, I know that I don't need to view them, and that is why I don't (anymore).

 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K0CBA on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
""I will pass on any item that will not take PayPal as payment.

Newell
WX7K""
___________________________________________

There ya' go! for every 'ying' there's a 'yang'. I always pass on any item that insist on paypal.

 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by W4XKE on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"...on several occasions, the seller didn't live up to his end of the bargain and in each instance PayPal refunded every single penny of what I spent..."

Yep! And my neighbor sold his SB-200 amplifier to a guy that paid him with Paypal. The buyer emailed him and told him what a great amp it was and how pleased he was.

Three weeks later, he was notified that Paypal had refunded the purchase price to the buyer. The buyer now claimed that the tubes were DOA and that the meter was burnt up.

That's why anybody is sticking their neck WAY out to take a Paypal payment. They're agreeing to guarantee the item unconditionally for weeks after the sale.

One particular nefarious character in Kentucky routinely uses this tactic to cannibalize equipment that he buys, then gets a Paypal refund and returns the hacked-up, useless carcass to the seller. Tough luck, buddy!

No Paypal deals here!
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KE7FD on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I know this is a side issue and I don't want this topic to go sideways but let me just add my two cents here...

A decade ago, I was very skeptical about using PayPal and only used cashiers checks/MO's. But after some very careful purchases and selling, I've come to rely on them for all my eBay and eHam transactions. I have never had a problem but I am aware there are some who do. Generally these are pretty rare but when it does happen it can be narrowed down to some rule not being followed or if it's PayPal's fault, they try to straighten things out and make things right. If you engage in a transaction on your own and it goes sour, you're on your own. If you use PayPal, they have skin in the game and will step in to make sure you're not screwed. Sure there's a small fee but wouldn't that be better than loosing your shirt to some deadbeat?

I'm just sayin'..

OK, carry on as before.

Glen - KE7FD
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KB2FCV on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS stated: "My favorite ad was for a HF rig which listed it as 'good condition, sends and receives well' right under the sales header "Not working--For parts only."

Make up your mind, why don't you!! ;-) "

Ebay's used policy states that the item might be slightly worn, but fully operational and functions as intended. Most of the time I sell things used if they operate 1000% as they should and it goes in the used category. If there is ANYTHING wrong with it.. I state what is wrong, sell it "as-is" and and it goes in the "Not working--For parts only". Anything "untested" also falls into that category.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by W8AAZ on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
How about a ebay seller that has something like "radio(something or other)" for a name but when is selling radios, makes claims of "know nothing about this" "cannot test this" "not sure how or if it works" etc. Watch out for people selling alot of electronic gear that claim they know nothing about stuff like that. Basically they are selling you on hope, you read something into the lack of information, and then get you get junk and the seller knows it.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K9MHZ on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
One thing that's entertaining on eBay is to ask an obviously professional listing service, who's trying to look like an individual seller, a question about the rig. They will reply, but it's usually with a most ridiculous question for clarification.

You can pick them right out....it's usually a description of the most basic operational features, or a long blurb about what the amateur radio service is.

 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K0RS on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>"Photos to serious buyers only."

If it's too hard for for you to send photos, then it's too hard for me to send you my cash. Incidentally, if you have photos, why didn't you include one in the ad?

>"Serious inquiries only" and NO price in the ad.

How do I know if I'm serious about buying your junk until I know if you're serious about selling it?

>"Sells today or goes on eBay tomorrow" is bad enough. How about (and I've actually seen this): "Sells today or it goes in the trash." Hey, that one makes me want to spend my money.

>Me: "Does it work?" Him: "I dunno, ain't got no antenna to check it."

>"Worked when taken out of service." Yeah, in 1955.

>"Minty." OK. Is it a teabag?
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KT4WO on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

Yea.... PayPal is great ---Until---
You get Ficked by Radiomart(or one like him) and Paypal takes your money!

No Paypal here .... In person or I goto HRO.

(No---I didn't buy/sell to/from Radiomart---But Many Have!)
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K6AER on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't include the shipping on Amplifiers for it depends on the distance, size and weight and how fast they want the amplifier. An Alpha shipped to the East coast from Colorado can cost between $200 and $600 for four day or overnight.

I also ask if the person has used an amplifier before and many items have nixed the sale for I felt there was too much risk sending out a working amplifier only to have it damaged and they want their money back and rag that they received a bad product.

Not worth the aggravation.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KC7MF on November 9, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I once posted an ad that said, "I have a manual for an HW101. If you want it I will send it to you". I got about 10 suspicious or even downright accusing emails before I got one that said..." Oh yes please...." And I sent it to him..
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N2EIK on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Selling my wife.
cheap.
staying IN the hobby!
;)
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K8AG on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What I always find interesting on Ebay are the folks that ask 90% of what a rig is worth for a "parts as-is" rig. Its a box and it might even light up when it is powered. But no telling what is inside. If its a parts rig price it accordingly.

73, JP, K8AG
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N9LCD on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ads like those that used to appear in "Ham Trader Yellow Sheets". "HTYS" was hard copy; the length of your listing(s) was limited. UNLIMITED LENGTH EQUALS UNLIMITED BS.

N9LCD

 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KD5RGJ on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Wel, Newell, I won't be buying anything from you!!
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WY4J on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have a live one right now. This guy is selling a used muffin fan for $6.00 shipped. New Egg sell the exact same item for $5.99 including free 2 day shipping. I'm waiting to hear back what the advantage is to paying him a penny for his used product. Ha ha...I guess he did not read this post.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by W1RKW on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A friend of mine responded to an online ad for a laptop. The seller stated that it was new. In the picture the laptop was turned on and not in the box. My friend responded jokingly of course, "if it's new, why is it on?" The laptop looked used. it was dusty and full of finger prints.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WY4J on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Received a short response to my inquiry and I quote, "It's not a used one." Eureka, so this explains it all, he claims is "new" but he is not a merchant. But it's his assurances that is "new" so he is entitled to charge a penny more that what he paid for it "new." All we can do is laugh and enjoy.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by W4XKE on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Reminds me of the time a few years back when Cadillac decided to stop building convertibles. The street price on the last ones was way up but the dealers couldn't cash in on the boom and sell the cars for more than new sticker price.

So the dealers went ahead and titled the new Caddy convertibles and sold them as "Used" - 0 miles - for thousands more than invoice.

Maybe there's been a run on muffin fans. LOL
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K8SOR on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Might be a tad off topic. Where did all the manuals go? Power cords? Mics? power supply for tube type transmitter that had outboard power supply---"Sold in another ad with receiver"--The receiver doesn't need the power supply,--the transmitter does---DUH??
And I agree---If you're going to list it or have it listed on ebay---fine, don't take up space on the classified page. flame proof suit on, now gonna check the ads...
Good topic.
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N6DMR on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Thumbs UP !

Article is right on.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by AB3CX on November 10, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
At least on eBay you never have to wonder if you're a "Tire Kicker".
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K1CJS on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>I have been using PayPal for a lot of years, and on several occasions, the seller didn't live up to his end of the bargain and in each instance PayPal refunded every single penny of what I spent.<<

Likewise, I used to use PayPal--until I got burnt a couple of times by unscrupulous people, and PayPal didn't lift one finger to get the situation remedied.

To each his own.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by AF5C on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I like the guys wanting $100 for a 30 year old 2m rig like a Kenwood TR7400 or something like that. I can buy a brand new 2m rig for $130 or so.

John AF5CC
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N0PSH on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"I have to laugh at all the ads that are asking for as much or more money than the thing cost new."
My quote. I'll say it again. Nope already said it!!!
de Alan
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K0BG on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Here's something you want to be aware of if you don't like using PayPal.

Like others, I've been burned a couple of times, and after the last time I didn't update my credit card information when it expired.

Then I go to this site which offers either Secure Pay (?), or PayPal. I select the Secure Pay, type in the information, and place my order.

About 5 minutes later, I get an e-mail from PayPal thanking me for updating my credit card information! I immediately cancelled my credit card, and ask for another.

The company I ordered the merchandise from, sent me an e-mail asking me about the transaction. When I explained it to them, I did get an apology. They ended up sending the merchandise anyway, so I sent them a money order to pay for it. I'll never do on line business with anyone who does that to me.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K1CJS on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I said: "My favorite ad was for a HF rig which listed it as 'good condition, sends and receives well' right under the sales header "Not working--For parts only."

Make up your mind, why don't you!! ;-) "

KB2FCV replied:
"Ebay's used policy states that the item might be slightly worn, but fully operational and functions as intended. Most of the time I sell things used if they operate 1000% as they should and it goes in the used category. If there is ANYTHING wrong with it.. I state what is wrong, sell it "as-is" and and it goes in the "Not working--For parts only". Anything "untested" also falls into that category."

The statement wasn't meant in a serious vein. After all, this is supposed to be a lighthearted look, isn't it? 73!

 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N5DUX on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
My personal favorite are those ads that include what they paid for it. I don't care. It's trivial information that has little bearing on our possible transaction.

You certainly wouldn't announce if you got it for free and now you're wanting $50 less than MSRP would you?
Now, if you're explaining why you're only wanting half the normal selling price because you got it for free and don't want it, we'd all understand - that's pertinent information. Otherwise it's useless to know how much *you* paid for it.

This holds especially when you're talking about computer equipment. Just because you shelled out $2000 in the 90s for an IBM-PC running DOS 6.22 and 8Mb of RAM doesn't mean it's worth a hill of beans now.

Spare us the details...
 
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by W4XKE on November 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Okay, this has to be my favorite ad ever.... Hahahaha.... LOL For as long as it lasts on this webpage... take a look at this photo!

http://swap.qth.com/segamida/1028158.jpg

(Yep! I think I smell a RAT ) LOL
 
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by WY4J on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This is from a seller with a bit of a dubious reputation.

"Fs new kenwood 590s was purchased less than a year ago by elderly he had to go to a nursing home. This radio has never been remove from the box has all accessories. No trades no pay pal will ship via fedx ground for $1399.00."

Of course, neither he or the nursing home patient ever removed from the box so the radio has to be in perfect working order.

Guess what, he sold it as is in a matter of hours for a little less than you can get a brand new one that can be returned if it does not work when you or the nursing home patient takes it out of the box.

Now we know why anything you post in a ham site will sell regardless of you reputation or the item condition or price.
 
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by KK4GSQ on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Adding 3% to the price for PayPal fees and offering a "cash discount" are _exactly_ the same thing. Giving them different names does not change the effect. If there's no justification for one, there's no justification for the other.
 
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by WY4J on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Funny, but those who want the extra 3% for Paypal usually overprice whatever they have for sale. I don;t need anything that bad that i have to cave in those there ridiculous resellers.
 
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by NV7SY on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Wow...lots of ideas, comments and opinions!

Getting back to how we pay or get paid for our "goodies", It really looks like a dilemma.

...I find something I would like to have (purchase on-line and have it shipped to me), here are my options and my risks...

1. Pay via PayPal. Risk: if it doesn't arrive or it isn't what it was claimed to be, I may or may not get my money back. My positive experiences aren't the same as reported by others.
2. Pay via Personal Check. The seller waits for my check to clear. If he doesn't send the mdse, or it isn't what was advertised, I really have no options other than costly, time consuming lawsuit.
3. Pay via USPS Money Order. If the seller doesn't send the mdse, or it isn't what was advertised, I really have no options other than costly, time consuming lawsuit, as I don't expect the USPS to give a "rats ass" about the validity of the transaction.
4. Pay using cash. You are kidding, right?

Based on this, as a buyer, I still think that PayPal is my best option.

Similarly, for sellers, obviously the USPS Money Order is the safest option, but that doesn't give the Buyer, the guy who is gambling that I am an honest Ham, much real protection. It may take years (if ever) for one to recover from a fraudulent sale given the piss poor attitude of the USPS in cases I have seen reported.

Personal checks are a gamble at best, and only in certain circumstances (I have confidence in the seller) as a buyer will I suggest this as I recognize that this is not a good risk either for the buyer and very inconvenient for the seller.

I guess the bottom line....just steer clear of on-line buy/sell classified ads. Only buy from your neighbor or well known, highly reputable ham store who has a reputation to stand behind their merchandise.

I hope it doesn't come to this as I really enjoy using venues such as eHam and QTH.com for adding to and thinning my "herd" by working with the hams I have come to know and trust over my past 57+ years of active hamming.

Bottom line, for on-line ads, there is no PERFECT means to guarantee a mutually satisfactory transaction; no matter the circumstances, there is ALWAYS something that could go amiss.

Sam, K4KAI (Since July 1956)
US Navy - Retired
 
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by WW0H on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The League is guilty of some of this. There was an ad in QST a while back for equipment they had tested. They were asking more for their test gear than that issue advertised new.
 
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by W8LV on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Sellers of used gear: If there is just ONE part of reality that you don't understand, it's that a USED piece of gear is just that... a USED piece if gear. As such, IF working, it should be going for 50% OR LESS of the price of new gear.
While it's GREAT that you once used the gear to land that rare QSL from the People's Republic of Oomgatsa back in the day, it's STILL... USED GEAR.

Okie Dokie, we ALL get there are exceptions... say if you have Armstrong's first FM rig in your shack or somesuch.... but these are EXCEPTIONS to the rule!

Either you want to SELL... or you are so emotionally tied to your OLD gear that you don't..... but I am VERY emotionally tied to the blood, sweat, and tears that put the green in my wallet, and I am NOT going to part with it if you are not willing to set a reasonable REALISTIC price for your USED gear.... I worked too damned hard for it, and I am just trying to hang on to what I have these days... you know... things like houses, college funds for half a dozen kids, etc. I mean, really, if I WASN'T of this mindset, why do you think I am cruising the USED gear listings?

The best laugh is on Ebay, where everyday you see USED everyday COMMON Vibroplex bugs (unrare, common, no special serial number, common, plain jane, rare as potato chips common) for the price of a new one. What on Earth are these sellers thinking?
I am NOT saying a Vibroplex isn't a work if art or a thing of True Beauty... it is! So why not just mosey over to the Vibroplex web site and buy a NEW one at that point?

This isn't about a "steal"... it's about being REASONABLE about the price you set for your USED gear.







 
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by WY4J on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
1,0000% agreed, used gear is worth fifty cent on the dollar even if you purchased a week ago. But these newer hams will sometimes risk $2,0000 for fifty bucks. makes no sense to me.

Is not what on earth are the Ebay sellers thinking. What are the buyers thinking. Just for fun add a few ham items on your watch list and see how much idiots pay for used gear. The other day there was a Heil HM-12 so I bid up to $30. This idiot paid $55 plus $12 shipping. You can get this one brand new for $55.

Another funny one is that is you say that is new and take a picture of the box Ebayers will pay full MSRP as some idiot did the other day when he bid full price plus shipping for a used Vibroplex Brass Racer.
 
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by N0PSH on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Well said W8LV.
I said it before so I won't say it again. Heck I won't, I will say it again.. "I have to laugh at all the ads that are asking for as much or more money than the thing cost new. When your getting rid of stuff price it to sell, heck its used stuff, I don't care if you say its a 10+ on a scale of 10, its used.period...".
73
de Alan
 
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by HAMMYGUY on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
50 cents on the dollar for used gear huh? Yeah right.

A Flex-3000 sells for $1699 new. So according to that formula it should sell for $850 used. One week later.

Try offering that price to any ham that has one for sale. You'll either get the silent treatment (most likely) or a question as to how long you've been on the dark side of the moon.

Now if you take that same price and give a decent offer of two thirds of the original price you come up with a price of $1121. Still a bargain, but certainly a more realistic price. Most hams in the market for a 3000 would probably jump at that. Take that same rig and offer three quarters of the original price, you come up with $1274.25. Around $1300 is a common price for the ones I've seen on QTH.com. eBay prices have ran the gauntlet of $975 (lasted only minutes), $1100 (lasted about 30 minutes) to $1450 (a full week long auction).

So in my experience an offer of 2/3's to 3/4's of the original retail price of newer gear will at least get your offer under consideration. Lots will consider the 2/3's a low ball offer.

But if your going to squeak so bad that you'll only offer 1/2 of retail value, you better get real used to using your current rigs. At a hamfest you MIGHT get that type of price. But most hams have an idea of what the value of their radio's are. If it's an old rig of 10 years plus vintage, they'll probably take that offer. But an under 10 year old radio, probably not.
 
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by KC7KLZ on November 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
<<<Bottom line, for on-line ads, there is no PERFECT means to guarantee a mutually satisfactory transaction; no matter the circumstances, there is ALWAYS something that could go amiss. >>>>


This is so true. Several years ago, I was looking for a HF transceiver. On an online add listing site, I saw one for a reasonable price. He wanted to use PayPal. His city was near mine. So I contacted him, and asked if I could look at the rig, and if it looked like it was a good one, I could pay him cash. He refused sating that it would violate the web site rules or some such nonsense. He said he would have to ship it, and I would have to pay via PayPal. I just thanked him for his response and that I will look elsewhere for a radio. I have no intention of being taken down the primrose path.

'73

Eric Scott
KC7KLZ
 
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by W1MSG on November 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I love to see items listed at a price thats more or about the same as a brand new rig. If I cant save at least $100 buying used I wont even look at it.
 
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by K4JC on November 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
When it comes to purchases on Ebay, I generally limit myself to smaller "accessory" type items. That way if I get ripped off I'm only out a few bucks. I can't remember the last time I spent more than $50 on Ebay! A decade ago you could find bargains galore on there, but they're rare nowadays so I don't buy much on The Bay anymore.

You can also sometimes find good deals on ham gear on Craigslist or local classifieds (Thrifty Nickel, etc.) Since these items are local I can go see them before buying. You find some are SK estates and the non-ham family just wants to get rid of the gear. Sometimes you find equipment that has had a golden screwdriver applied to it in an attempted 11-meter conversion. Whatever the case it's easier to assess the stuff in person. Just keep in mind that, while you can find goodies in Craigslist postings from areas other than your own, I've found those folks are generally reluctant to ship. They'd rather deal in person; that's why they posted on CL!
 
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by W5DQ on November 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
A couple other points:

1) If you include photos (and every sale ad should have at least one photo), please, PLEASE, make sure they are IN FOCUS and properly composed. Don't stand 8" from a shiny surface and shoot a photo with flash. All that proves is your flash works. We have no idea what in the heck is behind the flash glare you've just created. If you can't tell what's in the photo, how in the heck are we suppose to?? Your photos should show detail, not a radio on a table ACROSS the room back in the corner. If you can't run a simple point and shoot camera, get your (or a) kid to do it. They know how!!!

2) Please don't describe radio gear as "MINTY". I highly doubt if your gear tastes like mint nor did it come from the Mint. Coins and currency comes from the damn Mint and mint is a flavor used for jelly and candy!!

3) Know what you have and describe it TRUTHFULLY!!! Don't just cut and paste a description from the manufacturers website. I can do that!! Tell me what options are installed, what works and doesn't work or doesn't work like it is advertised to. We'll know as soon as we buy it that it is broken and most of us will be back to see you and NOT HAPPY if you sell us a hidden defect!!!

4) Like the OP states, ask realistic prices. Sure idiots on eBAY sometimes get caught up in a bidding frenzy but you ain't gonna find that on eHAM, QRZ or other ham websites. If it cost $100 new and is 5 years old having seen a few 'battles', describe it as such and price it accordingly. If you are asking top dollar for it, you had better be able to back up your claims and asking price with some HIGH QUALITY sharp focused clear detailed photos .... and more than 1 too. I would want to see all around outside and top and bottom inside the covers ... just like if I was there for a hands on look before buying!!!

 
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by W0FEN on November 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!




In the HF Amplifiers section an AMP is listed MUST BE LOCAL PICK-UP ONLY. There is no Zip Code, City or State. Why make a potential buyer work hard just to find out where the item is located. It will sell but only to the determind buyer.

More information = faster sale
 
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by KE4DRN on November 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
hi,

What I don't like to see in the ads,
five pages of the specs from the kenwood website
and the stock photo of the ts-570.

Real photos, accurate condition and the asking price.

73 james
 
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by N5TEN on November 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
If the seller can't spell, I don't waste my time. If the "clean" radio has dirt all over it and weird liquid spots on the display, I move on. If the radio is upside down with the VFO used as a foot and balanced on the desk for the rear panel photo, I figure the picture describes how the rig was treated.
Etc etc.
 
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by N9LCD on November 14, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Too many ads say a something like a "Jonez JJ-295" transceiver.

What the *#@& is a JJ-295? HF? VHF? UHF? QRP? QRO?

I'd like to know what the JJ-295 is without having to go to the Jonez website or to RigPix!

Another one in the same vein: "Comes with everything that came from the factory."

What the @#$% is "EVERYTHING"?

IF YOU WANT THE YOUR MONEY, DO YOUR JOB!

N9LCD
 
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by N0PSH on November 15, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Yup, what N9LCD said!
 
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by AD5VM on November 15, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
As someone who has been very successful in selling used ham radio gear online, I thought I'd post my advice.
I'll buy a new radio, use it for a year or two, then sell it for 90+ percent of the price I paid. It makes no sense to me but I'll regularly get within a few dollars of the brand new price of the item. I've pointed this out to a few buyers and basically their response is: 'This way I know I'm getting a good one'.

-Save all boxes, documentation, packing material, invoices and receipts. Whether or not we realize it, we all want that 'unboxing' experience of a new radio. When listing an item, include pictures of the rig, wrapped in it's plastic, nested in the box with manuals in the plastic baggie just like the day you first opened it. This shows the potential buyers they are going to get that new rig unboxing experience and it's worth a premium.

-Clean all dust from around knobs and buttons (paint brush and canned air work wonders)

-Clean off all fingerprints with a mild all surface cleaner (otherwise they will show up in your hi-res flash photos)

-Show a picture of the rig powered on and working.

-Show pictures from every angle.

-Be more specific than 'like new' or 'mint' say something like: Zero signs of use, no dents, scratches, dings or rub marks of any kind. The closest thing I could find to a blem is a tiny nick in the paint on the bottom back corner (see included closeup pic).

-Let them know the story of the rig and why you are selling it. ie: Purchased this rig July 2011, according to my log, I've made 318 contacts with it. I love the radio but now I'm selling off what I can to raise funds for the new Kenwood.

-List serial number.

-I don't care if it's a $4000 rig, make starting bid 99 cents.

-No reserve! (do this at your own risk) I figure if my $4000 rig is fixing to sell for $1200 I could call a buddy and have him bid at the last minute but I've never had to do this. The best way to repel bidders is to put a reserve price on an item.

Do the following to get repeat customers.
-Charge less for shipping than actual shipping costs.
-Double box everything, triple box the good stuff.
-Ship within 24 hours of payment and email tracking #.
-Include freebies (I once purchased a stack of vintage CQ and QST magazines from the 50's and 60's and I throw one or two of these in the outer box before taping it up but I don't mention it in the listing) I always get a thank you email and they always go on and on about the magazines!

 
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by AC7KZ on November 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea about trades and keeping your expectations low...that's right...no one wants a TRS-80 computer neither a Tandy Color Computer for a TS-2000 trade....

I saw one ad that the guy wanted to trade his equipment for a IC-7000..He didn't take the time to at least arrange his equipment he wanted to trade...An Alinco DX-70 along with an Alinco dual-band mobile rig. Yes, you may have paid $1200 new for your crap, but that was over 10 years ago! Also, his equipment was dust covered (he even apologized for the dust)...The rigs were on top of other crap he had on his "operators" desk..Not a good sign-disorganized with shit all over.

Yes, I will save my IC-7000 and you keep your dust covered crap!
 
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by AC7KZ on November 16, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea about trades and keeping your expectations low...that's right...no one wants a TRS-80 computer neither a Tandy Color Computer for a TS-2000 trade....

I saw one ad that the guy wanted to trade his equipment for a IC-7000..He didn't take the time to at least arrange his equipment he wanted to trade...An Alinco DX-70 along with an Alinco dual-band mobile rig. Yes, you may have paid $1200 new for your crap, but that was over 10 years ago! Also, his equipment was dust covered (he even apologized for the dust)...The rigs were on top of other crap he had on his "operators" desk..Not a good sign-disorganized with shit all over.

Yes, I will save my IC-7000 and you keep your dust covered crap!
 
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by WB9QEL on November 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
On an upbeat note, I recently purchased a Drake L-7 that was listed on this site. His ad was very straight forward, he gave his phone number and invited folks to call him. I guess what I'm saying is, not everyone is a scam artist. You just have to be smart enough not to fall for anything and be patient in looking for the right gear you want and who you want to purchase it from.

I sold the first L-7 I had and I never thought I would be able to find another one that wasn't junk.

I was wrong, I just ran into the right person that bought it new, kept it nice and kept the boxes and documentation.

I looked around all the time, I had patience and common sense.



W9ZXT




 
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by N7BBC on November 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I like the one that says...

I bought this radio new from XYZ Ham Store, took it out of the box and put it back in the box the same day. Five years ago. Never used.

Really?

 
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by K5TED on November 17, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The reason there is a market for brand used items at nearly brand new price is that there is a market for brand used items at a nearly brand new price...

No actual valid reason, it is what it is. It's like that on eBay and it's like that everywhere. Even your local hamfest.

IMO, even a brand new item, "only out of the box once to verify operation"(my favorite description), has lost at the very least, 15% off retail value, which happens to be slightly above the average restocking return fee at any online retailer.

No Paypal? That means no credit or no bank account. Bad signs. May not bode well for seller integrity.

Asking the seller pay the Paypal fees? Sure. Seller must give written 90 day guaranteee or no sell.

The only way to stop stupid seller tricks is to simply not buy from them.

Stupid seller tricks get by because greedy buyers can't stand to miss "the deal".








 
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by WY4J on November 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ha, ha, ha....I think some sellers have been getting ideas from us. Another great one and right on this site.

This insane individual is asking $1,000.00 for a Kenwood TS-440 that he claims has never been out of the box. The box looks like it has been run over by a truck that fell to the bottom of the ocean and then was taped up so it would not fall apart.

But after all, his guy is a ham and since hams are all honest, therefore it has to be brand new.
 
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by W4XKE on November 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
*** No Paypal? That means no credit or no bank account. Bad signs. May not bode well for seller integrity. ***

DUH! RadioMART has a Paypal account and uses it all the time. Obviously, PAYPAL = INTEGRITY

No PayPal deals here!

 
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by NV7SY on November 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

RE: .... by W4XKE on November 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
*** No Paypal? That means no credit or no bank account. Bad signs. May not bode well for seller integrity. ***

DUH! RadioMART has a Paypal account and uses it all the time. Obviously, PAYPAL = INTEGRITY

No PayPal deals here!
----------------------------------------------
Right on??? Ham Radio Outlet also accepts PayPal. I guess (using your stated business standards is that HRO has no integrity. I beg to disagree with you, I have been dealing with them for about 30 years and have never had a bad experience, and I have had more positive experiences than I can count on both hands.

Find another analogy to trash PayPal.
 
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by K0BT on November 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Here's a cringeworthy phrase...

"Excess to my needs." (or "Surplus to my needs.")
 
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by N7KFD on November 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I know this was covered already but I had to vent. Why do people think the radio they are selling is gold? I just saw a Kenwood TM-731 for $275, they stopped making that radio in 1992! It's NOT worth $275!!
 
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by WY4J on November 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ha, ha, ha, if it was not excess to their needs they would not be selling it..duh.

I think that since is free to advertise, many who do not plan to sell their items just list them at an outrageous price and if a fool wants to pay want they are asking then they will sell it.

I love this guy who has been selling the same Yaesu sticker for years or the raggedy old hats they got at a hamfest and have been wearing them for years and now they are collector's items.

 
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by KE4RWS on November 19, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Another thing I hate is when people just copy-and-paste stock info about a radio or related item instead of telling you what you really want to know about it. Then they completely omit it's condition or are so vague about it that it tells you nothing. Then when you email them asking specific questions about it they reply answering some of your inquiries but skip over other important ones. That always raises a flag with me.

Another issue is when people don't post a photo of their item(s) or once again just use stock images, which tell you NOTHING about what you're considering to buy. We all KNOW what the item looks like.

As cheap as digital camera's are today there's really no excuse why you can't take the time and post an item the *right* way by including a picture. If you don't have a camera certainly you know SOMEONE who does. Posting images in most forums like this are totally FREE and will greatly help you sell your items. If you don't know how to post an image then ASK. It's really very simple and people will help you if you just ask.

Post factual info about your item rather than just tell us what it is. People know their products and we know what we're looking for and certainly know what we're buying. Including a bunch of stock BS info is just a complete waste of time and say's nothing more than the fact you are selling a radio.

I could go on and on but I realize not everyone thinks of these things but it's always a good idea for these kinds of "reminders" to pop up in these forums from time to time :)
 
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by KB9BVN on November 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I find that the more details in the ad, the faster something sells. Don't leave the buyer guessing.

As for Paypal...I will never take Paypal, and I haven't sold anything on eBay in years. I shut off my Paypal account about three years ago and have not looked back.

In my ads I also make sure I am explicit on payment terms...cash, check, or MO. I also make sure the buyer knows I don't ship until I am paid.

 
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by WB9YCJ on November 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Dont be upset or offended by the ad that has a high price for a piece of gear. Unless it says "FIRM", all the guy is doing is setting out bait (being a capitalist) and waiting for offers. He is allowed to do that. The seller also will occasionally actually sell the piece of high priced gear for the stated high asking price to the buyer who does not want to haggle or lose the chance at acquiring the gear.
Some guys will gladly pay extra.

BUYERS: please do NOT have an "entitlement mentality" that you are owed a reasonable or low price. Please MOVE ON if you dont want to offer or haggle to high asking prices. If you see a piece of gear you want, make an offer and the guy may contact you in a few days at or near your offer price.
 
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by KE4ZHN on November 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
In the long run, you are much better off buying new. Yes, its more expensive, but nobody likes buying a piece of gear in good faith from a fellow ham, only to discover its junk when it arrives. At least with new gear you have a warranty. Theres too many dishonest hams selling junk at almost new prices. The sad part is idiots buy at those ridiculous prices and think they got a deal.
 
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by K9CTB on November 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Forgot one, guys!

PLEASE - don't cut up a perfectly good clear trash bag and then try to statically stick it back on the display of the gear you're trying to sell and then say, "See, it still has the plastic on the display!" -- Naaaa ... most of us have purchased new gear before and we know what the factory display cover looks like. I guess you get points for trying, though. ;-)

73,
K9CTB
 
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by N8RAT on December 2, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It’s obvious people think highly of the stuff they’re willing to part with. There’s a listing right now on Fleabay for a popular tri-band HT (used) for $325 with 2 antennas & an extra battery. I was at HRO yesterday and saw the rig sitting in their display case for $290.95 (new). This would include a manufacturer’s warranty. Why on earth would anyone pay that kind of money for something used when they can buy new for less money? Sure, the “extras” do have some value, but the reality is you’re paying new prices to buy a pig in a poke on a used rig. I doubt the seller of the used rig would cover it should it fail. I see this all the time and people actually bite on these. P.T. Barnum was right.
 
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by WA4JM on December 3, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
P.T. Barnum never said that.
 
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by N8RAT on December 6, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I never said what you are telling me he didn't say : )
 
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by WB6DGN on December 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Likewise PayPal fees. C'mon, this is the digital age, PayPal is fast, easy, and safe. I will pass on any item that will not take PayPal as payment."

AMEN! I also skip right by the ads that expect ME to pay the PayPal fees. If you think I'm that f.....g stupid or you're that f.....g cheap, I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH YOU! Got the picture?
Tom
 
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by WB6DGN on December 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"If you smoke, please post it in the ad."

Whether I smoke or not is NOBODY's business but mine (that includes my physician). If this odor offends you, ASK ME if the object smells of smoke or ask for a detailed description. I WILL answer you honestly. I'm there to SELL A PRODUCT, NOT do your thinking for you.
Tom
 
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by WB6DGN on December 11, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Package deal". Avoid using this description."

OK! How do you want me to tell you that I WILL NOT sell item "C" unless items "A", "B" and "D" sell too. In other words, I DON'T want to be stuck with an "orphan" item. Perfectly reasonable in my opinion!
Tom
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WB6DGN on December 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Sellers of used gear: If there is just ONE part of reality that you don't understand, it's that a USED piece of gear is just that... a USED piece if gear. As such, IF working, it should be going for 50% OR LESS of the price of new gear.".

EXACTLY! Guideline I use is 35% to 50% of new for currently produced items. Anything more and the seller's ID goes on a list that I've recently started. Then, even if a subsequent item is priced reasonably, the seller is no longer considered. Sellers that give curt or less than friendly replies go on this list as well with brief notes of circumstances. Sure makes buying a more pleasant endeavor even if not less costly (jury's still out on that).
Tom
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WB6DGN on December 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Try offering that price to any ham that has one for sale. You'll either get the silent treatment (most likely) or a question as to how long you've been on the dark side of the moon."

You make it sound as though ham radio equipment is something that I HAVE TO HAVE. NO ham radio item is essential. Nice, maybe. Enjoyable, maybe. NEVER essential. And, I buy with that always in mind. Besides, one certainty of life is that, "where one item is available, more WILL follow". Only once, in my experience has that not been the case and that was vintage test equipment, a little different breed of cat.
Tom
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WB6DGN on December 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Wel, Newell, I won't be buying anything from you!!"

I'm sure that after reading my replies, you won't be buying from me either. Somehow, I think I just may be able to survive that. Probably BOTH be a lot happier too.
Tom
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WB6DGN on December 12, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"What I don't like to see in the ads,
five pages of the specs from the kenwood website..."

Me either, especially if the item is an ICOM!
Tom
 
RE: ENTITLED ???  
by WB6DGN on December 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Dont be upset or offended by the ad that has a high price for a piece of gear."

THIS IS AMERICA! I'm ENTITLED to be offended, irate, indignant and just generally pist about anything and everything. You want people to call me UNAMERICAN? GEESH! Its the american way!
Tom
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by VA7WCS on December 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I think it would be good for everyone if the site can provide feedback tracking on the seller/buyer. A sort of Trader's rating, if you will. I think it will help with minimizing scams and put confidence in the seller/buyer in doing the transaction. Just my $0.02...
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by AB0RE on December 13, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"I think it would be good for everyone if the site can provide feedback tracking on the seller/buyer. A sort of Trader's rating, if you will. I think it will help with minimizing scams and put confidence in the seller/buyer in doing the transaction. Just my $0.02..."

Whereas it's not an exact "rating" like eBay, all the major ham radio classified ad sites have a feedback forum (links below). The best of the bunch is qth.com (in a previous experience eham.net & qrz.com both removed truthful negative feedback about a seller when the seller complained and threatened to sue, which is unfortunate).

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/board,37.0.html

http://forums.qrz.com/forumdisplay.php?16-Ham-to-Ham-References

http://feedback.qth.com/

And, if you can't dig up anything on the seller at the links above, you can always look up his callsign on google.com.

 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by KE4ZHN on December 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Honesty.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by K1CJS on December 18, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>"Sellers of used gear: If there is just ONE part of reality that you don't understand, it's that a USED piece of gear is just that... a USED piece if gear. As such, IF working, it should be going for 50% OR LESS of the price of new gear."<<

Oh--REALLY?? Such a guideline isn't only unrealistic, it smacks of the reasoning of the bunch of people that want something for nothing. They want someone to give away their gear so their kind can get it for next to nothing!

For example, lets say that a 2 year old solid state transceiver that has been taken care of and is fully functional goes up for sale. The owner paid $1200 for it originally--now you say that its maximum sale price should be $600 or less? Now who's being unrealistic?
Hint: It isn't the seller--or the person willing to pay what it's really worth.

Even used cars aren't priced that way. Offer someone $12,500 for a two year old car that sold for $25,000 when new, and you'll be laughed right out of the showroom--and rightfully so!
 
What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by N4EES on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I like to see only mint condition items listed as "mint condition." If it has been used, repaired, or restored, it "ain't" mint.
 
RE: What We Like To See In A Classified Ad  
by WY4J on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Obviously the replies referring to reducing a used radio by 20 bucks being an excellent deal comes from those who make a living selling used gear on efarud, sorry I meant ebay. So sad that this mentality seems to be catching on with most newer hams. I totally agree that used equipment starting offer should begin at 50% of the original cost. If enough hams had a bit more common sense these efraud sellers would not have an avenue to rip our new uninformed hams of their hard earned money. Believe me anything you say to defend your indefensible position is just gibberish. If more hams took their time and waited for the right deal rather than the, "I have to have it now" attitude, equipment prices would not be such a rip off.
 
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