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Ham Radio Paranormal?

David E. Greer (N4KZ) on December 20, 2012
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By Dave, N4KZ

I've been kicking around the ham bands since the late 1960s when I was in high school and like many active hams, I've had some really interesting, even odd on-air experiences. But one incident in particular from a couple of years ago made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up and I've thought about it often since.

If you watch any of the numerous TV shows on cable these days about the paranormal, you know about EVPs -- Electronic Voice Phenomena. Supposedly, they are the recorded voices of ghosts attempting to communicate with the living. What I experienced on 75-meter SSB one night was downright spooky. And sounded much like an EVP.

First, a little background. I was a high-school freshman when I got my ticket in the late 1960s. After college, broadcast work took me to Michigan and the FCC assigned me the callsign WB8TOB.

On many occasions in the mid-1970s, I worked George Goldstone, W8AP (SK), locally on 10-meter ground wave. One Sunday afternoon, I called CQ and W8AP answered. I just blurted out off the top of my head:

"W8 Associated Press," this is "Whiskey Bravo 8 Tired Old Broadcaster."

Henceforth, my new phonetics stuck. I was known as WB8 Tired Old Broadcaster. And since I worked as a newsman at a Detroit radio station, it fit. Except the old part -- I was in my 20s at the time.

In December 1979, I went to the Detroit FCC office and upgraded my advanced ticket to extra. In January 1980, I received my new call -- KJ8S. Two years later, a new job took me back home to Kentucky and yet another call, WE4K. And then in 1996, I used the new vanity call program to secure my present-day call of N4KZ.

About two years ago, I was talking on the air with Mark, N4ME, in Tallahassee. We got our tickets together in the '60s and still have a weekly schedule on 75-meter SSB.

One night Mark and I were in mid-QSO and as I paused briefly between transmissions, I heard something that stopped me cold. Very faintly on frequency, just barely above the noise level I heard a male voice slowly whisper the words "Tired Old Broadcaster."

Keep in mind I hadn't held the WB8TOB callsign for 30 years. Immediately, I froze. Just who tuning randomly across the band would have recognized that N4KZ had been WB8TOB 30 years earlier and known about the Tired Old Broadcaster phonetics?

I asked the person who'd just whispered Tired Old Broadcaster on frequency to identify. No reply.

I called out the names and calls of several friends from my Michigan days but no one answered. A few days later, I emailed three of them. To a man, all denied knowing what I was talking about.

So, what or who did I hear? Beats me. Maybe it was nothing more than an innocent prank by someone. Or maybe it was more. To this day, I still have no answers.

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Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The quality of the articles on eHam are really hitting an all time low.

Gene
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KF7RCM on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Sheesh Gene, lighten up a bit.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by SWMAN on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I thought that it was a rather interesting story. Could really be a ghost ham.Who really knows.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah, I am sure that is what it was... a ghost Ham... Sheesh...

Gene
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by AE7UT on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information,
which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail
to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is
contempt prior to investigation."
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4KYR on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
It was fringe reception that resulting of 'ghosting' of the signal.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KG4RUL on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Be careful of those mushrooms you picked in the backyard.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by SWMAN on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I dont think its a ghost ham, its a ham ghost.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W2WO on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Probably the most common (if any of this could be "common") paranormal experience is with long delayed echos. I experienced it once in the early 1960s --- I heard my CW signal comimg back about 4 seconds after I sent it. It was weak, but clear. Don't remember which band. Have never heard anything like it since.
Of course, long delayed echos are probably not paranormal but they are spooky.

Bill - W2WO
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K4MTN on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good observation.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K4MTN on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry, I meant good observation AE7UT.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K7CB on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, Gene...cranky much?
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N3QVB on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Not exactly the same thing but I experienced something strange regarding a page on QRZ.com. A friend of mine wanted to know what his deceased father's callsign was so we did some checking and came across his QRZ.com page. At the bottom of the page is the most recent page revision date. It showed a revision 3 years after his death. That seemed peculiar but I didn't think anything of it assuming QRZ may have made some global changes to their system and that showed up as a revision of pages. I contacted the QRZ administrator who said that was not the case. The only way a new revision date would come up was if the operator or someone with access to his page went in and made a change. I was assured by my friend that nobody has access to this and there are no family members that have any interest in the hobby. It then came out that his father died under unusual circumstances with many of his family and friends feeling he may have faked his own death as his body was never recovered.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but sounds like, at the very least, a good start for a screenplay.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W9MT on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Great story.

Halloween or Christmas are both seasons that are full of spirits. Those who want to believe will ponder in wonderment. Those that do not will dismiss the whole thing as...what did Scrooge say?...poppycock??

As for me, I'll keep my mind open and appreciate the posting for what it is: something to ponder.

Just remember, gents (and ladies), that before Marconi, Maxwell, and Hertz...the very suggestion that we could talk "through the Ether" would have gotten us burned as witches.

Once a suitable explanation is believe by enough people, with public demonstrations to back it up, the previously heretical becomes commonplace. Even Galileo is vindicated...

We still do not have explanations for delayed echoes and other weird types of RF phenomenon, either. So, go ahead and doubt...if you must...until you find an explanation that satisfies YOU.

...and oh, yes...the Earth DOES revolve around the Sun, too. The Voyager probe sent back photos. I saw them.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by HFHAM2 on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What a crock. Well, you've had your 15 minutes of fame.

NEXT...
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KA2UUP on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I heard a station last night, don't remember the prefix, but the last three letters of the ID were EAP. I heard that his equipment was working but it was "all shook up." Elvis Aaron Presley is alive and well and living some place in the USA!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by G7MRV on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Theres nothing paranormal about this, its just fatigue/stress. Ask any military signaller whos had to wait for a signal in the small hours, whilst utterly shattered from a long operation/exercise. Yes, you hear strange voices in the noise. Consider what it is your listening to - white noise, ie a random noise consisting of all frequencies. Sooner or later, that random noise just happens to form in the same form as a real word or two (that a random thing can do this is essential to anyone winning a lottery!). Mostly, the brain will filter it out, but when tired or stressed such words might just be noticed. Ive experienced this myself many times. I also suffer from sleep paralysis, which throughout history has been put down to demons, witches and aliens, but is actually just a slight inaccuracy in the bodies timings (but none the less bloody terrifying!)
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WB6DGN on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
HFHam... and Gene,
Like you I'm not convinced of anything "unusual" in the story but, unlike you, it evokes no hostility in me. I think I would be more concerned about WHY I would respond in such a hostile manner over this innocuous post. I don't see that as being appropriate.
Tom
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WB6DGN on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
HFHam... and Gene,
Like you I'm not convinced of anything "unusual" in the story but, unlike you, it evokes no hostility in me. I think I would be more concerned about WHY I would respond in such a hostile manner over this innocuous post. I don't see that as being appropriate.
Tom
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KF7RCM on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
WB6DGN
Thank you for expressing so well how many of us feel about those replies.
I imagine they don't have much fun in life,
a pity......
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N4WVE on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I think anything is possible...I've heard my share of strange things (not 14.313). As for being hostile, you will find that most hostile folks are unhappy with their own lives and need to voice their disappointments in life with others. Not worth listening to...
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K1CJS on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Here's the answer--you just THOUGHT you heard it.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WA0ZZG on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Dave;

I have helped a little on Paranormal issues. Please remember this: 99.99% of the time there is a plausable explanation.
The most likely explanation is your own brain. The brain tries to make order out of random noise.
The other possability is what your heard was NOT through the radio. Consider conducting an EVP session in your shack. Never do an EVP session alone. Have a witness and assistant along.
Currently, Paranormal is still mostly laughed at. I am personally batting 100%. I have always found a plausable reason. Still looking.
Dave
WA0ZZG
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N1LWK on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Nice story.

Ever watch the movie "Frequency" with Dennis Quad? I have the DVD. With the DVD are a series of bonus videos. One short video is on Long Delayed Echoes and how a SWL sent in a letter to a radio station stating that he enjoyed a certain show on a certain time & date. The radio satation wrote back and said, "Yes we did broadcast such a show but it was broadcasted 10 years ago!"

Great story

73...Ken
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4KYR on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!


This almost reminds me of the classic "KLEE" story.

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/klee.asp


TV station KLEE from Houston Texas was received in England in 1953. While TransAtlantic TV DX is rare but possible. There were two problems, first England and the U.S. had different TV standards.

And...the "KLEE" calls weren't used since 1950.....

The story went on for a long time and even made the Reader's Digest. It was stuff made of urban legend..
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KT4EP on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Why would people criticize this? Every time I post something whether a critique (good or bad), make a comment, etc, its seems an "expert" has something to say. I thank you for writing something ... and taking the time to post it.
Keith
KT4EP
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N8BOA on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Bet you that ghost hams know CW
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N0IKD on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I found the tale interesting and it sure didn't make me angry. Who knows if it was paranorormal. It certainly wasn't normal.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N4JTE on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Question/ article
No
Bob
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KC8VWM on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't even know where to begin in terms of describing my own personal experiences involving the many numerous unexplained events I have heard occurring on the air.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K0IZ on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I called some DX the other day, and they didn't respond. Strange.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Well this is all very fascinating.

Sheesh...I'm actually starting to miss the code/no-code, tuner/no-tuner, J pole/no-J pole wars.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N5LXI on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I onced worked Art Bell very late on the HHH Net on 40 meters. Does that count?
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WA6MJE on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have been a clinical psychologist for many decades. I have seen things in clinical settings that made my hair stand on end. I have taken those cases to supervision with very reputable professionals, and none of them told me to ignore what I saw. I wish they would have. I cannot confirm anything. At the same time, I would not deny it or treat it lightly either.

Just for example, get a copy of "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck M.D. on the Amazon bookstore, and read chapter 5. You will get some idea of what I am talking about from Peck.

I just learned over years of experience to not have a knee jerk reaction rejecting any story such as the one that started this topic. I have just seen too many things that cannot be explained by science over my career.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N8CMQ on December 20, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Write something controversial, then.
I will even take an opposing view if you like.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KB5ZSM on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Some of these replies are just stupid and discourage many others from posting good articles in fear of the BS ridicule they will receive from some of the jerks out there that haven't a good thing to say about anything. Way to go guys!!! Hope your real proud of yourselves!!!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W1MSG on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This one is easily explainable, you were on 75m ! Someone was pulling your chain !!!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by G3LBS on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
As I grow older I steadily move from Physics to Metaphysics. Maybe it's senility, or maybe I get LESS set in my ways. I recommend 'The Secret Vaults of Time' by Stephan Schwartz.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by GW3OQK on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I was at sea near St Johns on 12 Dec 1965 it being the anniversary of Marconi's transatlantic tests. I couldnt hear any medium wave European stations but I definitely heard "S" tick, tick, tick, several times. Was it a long delay from Poldhu?
73
Andrew
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by OZ8AGB on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Galactic long path.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4KYR on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I guess someone could always write an article about bringing back the good 'ol days of ham radio again.

Like bringing back the 'insensitive' licensing scheme of losing frequencies if they don't upgrade.

Maybe requiring a 25 wpm morse code test and drawing several pages of schematics of tube transmitters for HF voice privileges.

And requiring all new hams to use the Eico 753 or the Griefkit HW-7 with the Gotham vertical on CW for 2 years before they could upgrade.

It could be a very popular article and could bring more people into the hobby....
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KF4HR on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Ah... another USB (Unidentifed Scary Broadcast). I hate when that happens.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>by OZ8AGB
Galactic long path.<<<<

LOL, there you go!

Over here though, you want any signal on 75 meters to go and not come back.


 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N3QE on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I think the psycho-acoustics of listening to band noise and static crashes in the attempt of hearing a weak signal (that may or may not be there!), often goes unappreciated.

I strongly feel that band noise + a distant static crash + the brain trying to hear something, will often result in hearing something that isn't really there, and it shouldn't be surprising if we hear old familiar voices as our brain tries to pick out a signal, that's how our brain works, by correlating the input with past memories.

Tight filters often make the psycho-acoustics worse. If you have a very narrow filter, and there's a static crash, the result will be the filter ringing. Some manufacturers crystal and DSP filters deal with ringing in better ways than others. Ringing has worse psycho-acoustic effects in terms of "false signal recognition" when the phase shift in the passband is not flat.


 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W0AEW on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
W9MT: "Halloween or Christmas are both seasons that are full of spirits."

Sometimes it's the hams who are full of spirits!
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9CTB on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Not exactly "paranormal" as in X-Files, but for me it was the first time I ever heard a so-called "numbers" station. "What could they be saying in that code?" I often thought. Then I thought, "Wouldn't RTTY be faster?" :-)

73,
K9CTB
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K8QV on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
We automatically seek patterns. We see faces in clouds, spooks in the shadows, and hear voices in the white noise. To date, there is no evidence whatsoever for the supernatural other than anecdotal accounts from the demonstrably unreliable human recollection.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W8AAZ on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
OK, one night I dreamed I was going up a street and came up a hill to a brick building with large silver metal call letters on the front-WCCO. In Minn, a long ways from me. Next night I was playing around with a recently acquired early 20's one tube regen. Listened around a bit but not long enough for ID's. Then I settled on a station in between others to listen to for an extended period that was variable from QSB. Guess what? WCCO. Then it faded out and I don't recall hearing it again at least on that radio. I know, distant but a clear channel station, high powered, etc. But funny coincidence that struck me at the time. And the tuning dial is 1-100 so no reference to tune them in. No, I have not heard any ghost stations with it, but found some old time programs, searching randomly.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WI4P on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Dave. It seems to me that this, like many things in life, is best when a little something is left to the imagination.

73, John
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KA9QGH on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
This whole story sounds very similar to the movie "Frequency" with Dennis Quaid back in 2000
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KU4UV on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Not sure that have ever had a "paranormal" experience on any of the ham frequencies. Now, if you want to talk about the some of the strange things I have heard on a C.B. radio, that would take some time.

73,
KU4UV
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K3OCW on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Dave, good story . I enjoyed it. To all of you " I don't believe in Ghost", you are all invited to come along to Gettysburg one evening & we'll do a tour of the most haunted spots on the battlefield.Then tell me you still don't believe.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KC5CQD on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Well...it wasn't Ham radio but I once had a creepy thing happen on CB channel 14. Back in the 70s when I was about 11 years old and CB was going at a frenzied level...I had an "Archer" walkie-talkie that I would use to talk to my neighborhood friends at night after we were all made to go in at dark. I was taking a bath one night and had the walkie-talkie sitting on the back of the toilet so I could hear if any of my buddies called me. All of a sudden....loud and clear....a bunch of satanic chanting started blaring out of the radio. Sounded like some kind of a weird ritual was going on. It lasted for about 5 minutes and it scared the living hell out of me. I couldn't sleep that night! I was convinced that there was a satanic coven of witches in my neighborhood and they were going to "get me". Haha!! Could have been someone watching a scary movie and they just played part of it into the radio but a little kid's mind doesn't rationalize quite so quickly. But....I've never forgotten it so I guess it made its mark in my mind.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KC8VWM on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Naw, those Archer Walkie Talkies made that sound when the 9 volt batteries inside them started going dead. They screech and howl all sorts of different sounds. Great to use for creating your own Halloween sound effects.



 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N2RRA on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have paranormal encounters all the time and don't know if I'm losing my mind.

My radio talks to me!

Is that my imagination?
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KA0AAM on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hello Dave,

I don't care what people say. . It doesn't matter if I believe one way or the other. ..

I can only say: Thank you for writing the article. I enjoyed reading it, and that is what counts!
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KB1LKR on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
75m phone?
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K4JSR on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
All of my experience on ham radio has been with the
para-abnormal.

73, Cal K4JSR
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by TTOMAS59 on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
What's scary is ham radio operators have a history of being resourceful, patriotic, innovative, respectful, mentering, and educational.

A measurable percentage of the posters on this site are arrogant creeps.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KC8VWM on December 21, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't even know where to begin in terms of describing my own personal experiences involving the many numerous unexplained events I have heard occurring on the air, or even on this website for that matter.

Spooky...

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by ONAIR on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Reminds me of a conversation I heard over the air many years ago. One ham was talking about how radio signals go on forever into space, and the conversations we had 40 years ago are now 40 light years away from us. He theorized that an alien civilization might pick up those signals, amplify them, and send them back to us. Sort of like a galaxy repeater? Strange...
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KJ6ZOL on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The KLEE story has been definitively debunked. What happened was this:

The GM of KPRC, which succeeded KLEE, got a strange letter one day addressed to "President of KLEE", from England. Inside was a photo of KLEE's ID on a TV screen with a cryptic note asking for "confirmation". The GM wrote back asking for more info. What he got in return was a sales pitch for a "long range superheterodyne TV set" supposedly capable of getting transatlantic signals. The suspicious GM contacted the FBI, who forwarded it on to MI5 and Scotland Yard. And lo and behold the scammers got busted.

What they'd done: in the early 1950s in London, American radio magazines were commonplace. Many published ID slides of TV stn's. Meanwhile, an article appeared in an English radio rag telling how to build a TV tx capable of broadcasting still images a couple hundred meters. These guys actually built the thing, then cut out the ID slides and aired them to the next room. Then they spammed. Their idea was to get "funding" for a super duper TV set, then split with the cash. Only they weren't smart enough to pull it off. I don't know what ultimately happened to them; prison, most likely.

BUT, the KLEE story had legs, and became an urban legend. BUT, English TV was 480 lines at the time. American was 525, and remained so until HD came along. It would therefore be impossible for an English set to get an American signal. The KPRC GM likely knew this, and blew the whistle. However, that didn't stop the KLEE story. I remember reading this in a reading book for third graders when I was in fourth grade. "LOST TV SIGNAL". Spooky, but not true.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KJ6ZOL on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Many, many scifi stories have been written about, what would happen if aliens broadcast our signals back to us. My faves:

"Amazing Stories", TV, 1986. Teens build a long range TV, and pick up signals from another planet. Aliens are copying our TV shows, and airing features about their home planet. Including their intention to visit Hollywood. Teens drive into LA and actually run across the aliens.

There was a short story published long ago where scientists pick up an alien rebroadcast of a 1956 radio show, in 2030. We go out for a look, and find something truly weird.

For lulz, try the movie Galaxy Quest. Comedy where aliens pick up a Star Trek-like TV show and think it's a "historical document". So they kidnap the actors, 30 years after the show, and order them to save the universe.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by G7MRV on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
" who forwarded it on to MI5 and Scotland Yard. And lo and behold the scammers got busted."

"Then they spammed. Their idea was to get "funding" for a super duper TV set, then split with the cash. Only they weren't smart enough to pull it off. I don't know what ultimately happened to them; prison, most likely."

"English TV was 480 lines at the time. It would therefore be impossible for an English set to get an American signal."

More plot holes than a swiss cheese. For a start, UK (not English!) TV at the time was 405 line +ve mod, then became 625 line. It stayed as 625 line until we finally switched Limavady to DVB-T/T2 last month (I was there)

As for Scotland Yard and MI5 being involved? Rubbish. MI5 is internal security, and wouldnt care less, neither would SB. This was a simple hoax, nothing more. It keeps going as a myth because people keep reporting inaccurate drivel about it!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KG4WXP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
" To date, there is no evidence whatsoever for the supernatural other than anecdotal accounts from the demonstrably unreliable human recollection."

You've obviously never been to Waverly Hills Sanatorium.

Shadows passing where none should be, voices and noises where it's not possible, and of course a ball that rolls back and forth ON COMMAND on a non sloped surface with no wind, etc...allegedly due to a child that haunts the location.

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
When some of you guys get called up to the mother ship, just be careful....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdYXr8QpCM
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
K8QV's post is one of the most intelligent comments that I have seen to date on eHam. For those who claim they are seeing or hearing ghosts or mysterious voices, please go back on your medications.

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
LOL Gene!

Something to ponder in trailer parks all across the country....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRfcNYyTEkY

 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KF4RQH on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Reminds me of a movie titled,(Frequency)staring Dennis Quaid.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by AC4WY on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I've heard some strange stuff on 75 over the years, but while it wasn't exactly normal, I wouldn't call it "paranormal." LOL!
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KB4QAA on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Psychology studies have shown that something like 25% of the population has auditory hallucinations at some time in their life.

Alternatively are hypnopompic/hypnogogic hallucinations that occur during the transition to/from sleep. The brain does not make a clean break between wakefulness and dreaming which is perceived as a combination of the two.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by AB5S on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know what he heard.
It's an intersting story.
I don't need to pass judgement on it
when I have no other information.
One thing I do know:

THE MOST COMMON REACTION OF THE MIND
CLOSED BY FEAR IS KNEE-JERK RIDICULE.

Corner any of these detractors and ask him why
he's knee-jerk ridiculing something about which
he has done no investigation. He cannot give you
a valid answer, only more ridicule- see posts
following this to make my point.

They do it because *they don't care what's true or false;*
they care what their friends say.
They will sell their children to randy sailors
rather than have a friend roll his eyes
and laugh, so it's a self-sustaining wank.
"The truth is not in them...."

D.S.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by MAGNUM257 on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Nice story, thanks.

Gene, YOUR the one that needs meds.

-chuck
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
MAGNUM257, go back to CB where you belong.

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N4KC on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

I was going to make some weak joke about hearing supernatural things on 14.313 all the time but someone thankfully beat me to it way back up the way.

I guess I fall into the "skeptic" category, but I also maintain there is no such thing as "supernatural." If there are ghosts and spirits out there, their presence is merely a part of the natural order that we don't understand yet. Even this devout doubter has had dreams that foreshadowed actual unanticipated events. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.

As noted, at one time the ability to talk through the air using invisible waves would have fallen squarely into the "supernatural" bucket. Heck, it's still kind of enchanting to me!

Dave, your article has created beau coups replies very quickly, some thoughtful and considered, some ridiculous or mean-spirited. Either way, it made us think. To me, that qualifies your posting as a great one!

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K8QV on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

" To date, there is no evidence whatsoever for the supernatural other than anecdotal accounts from the demonstrably unreliable human recollection."

You've obviously never been to Waverly Hills Sanatorium.

Shadows passing where none should be, voices and noises where it's not possible, and of course a ball that rolls back and forth ON COMMAND on a non sloped surface with no wind, etc...allegedly due to a child that haunts the location.



- Evidence? Video? Expert testimony? Scientific measurements? No? I rest my case.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
K8QV - AMEN! Could not have said it any better!

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K2UV on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Dave, did N4ME hear the same thing? You omitted mention. I believe you truthfully believe that you heard what you say you heard. We can avoid the occult with a rational explanation, to wit: you had heard and used "Tired Old Broadcaster" so many times that your mind subconsciously interpreted and translated something that sounded like that, to that. Just like those of us who are adept at CW have our minds translate the dots and dashes into hearing continuous sentences and entire passages without conscious thought, for example. Just like we can pull an almost obscured signal out of the noise-a signal virtually indistinct to those without years of experience doing just that.

Be this as it might be, I am not dismissive of an alternate possibility because of something that happened to me years ago on 160 CW. Must be 20 years now, at least. I used to chase DX late at night on 160 with my local buddy, Nat, W2PN (SK). The band was quite noisy with nothing particularly rare on, and the hoped for JA not materializing, so Nat and I shut down. I left the shack and was heading up the stairs to the MBR when I just felt the pull to get back into the shack. I went back down and turned on the rig.I also called Nat on 2meters to let him know I was back on the air.

I popped on all the switches, put on the headphones, and precisely on the frequency I had left the rig I heard myself calling CQ on CW. It sure sounded like my fist. The signal was not strong, and was a little watery, but it was not weak, either-around S6. I thought some friend was fooling around. I sent "pirate" right over it after the first time it happened, which was three times en toto. I frantically called Nat to check it out. I believe he did, and heard it too, but he refused to admit that he did.Nat was a brilliant engineer with many patents to his name, and he owned a successful engineering/manufacturing company in NJ. There had to be a scientific answer to every conundrum- that is precisely how Nat's mind worked. Even though he didn't admit hearing the signal, he mentioned something about me keying my VFO to pull his leg.But, I retorted, surely you heard me sending right over it?

I had signed for the night on 2 meters and on 160-I said I was going QRT. If a prankster, how did he know I would turn around and come back on, and on what frequency? I don't have an answer, and I, too, am disquieted about this to this day. By the way, I am a former EE (BSEE and MSEE), and am an attorney, so I am trained in science and to be cynical and questioning.Thus, I don't want to admit to a paranormal explanation which leaves me with no explanation.

I am rational and grounded. And, no, I am not swigging the Christmas cheer early. A perfect segue-Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all.

73,Warren,K2UV
 
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by KD7YVV on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
When did E-Ham become coast to coast AM? :)
Interesting story. I remember when my mom used to get
copies of the weekly world news. You'd read all sorts
of strange things regarding radio and television in
there. "Boat caught in Bermuda Triangle picks up 1950's
TV" etc. etc. With the Christmas season upon us, maybe
it's the ghost of Christmas future? I often wonder,
before radio/tv/electronics, what the first radios picked up. Nowadays the EM spectrum is so filled with noise
that I'll never know. I still like to listen to shortwave
in the wee hours of the morning. You never know what you'll
hear: 44475 44475 21913......
http://www.spynumbers.com

--KD7YVV
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
People also lie and make up stories to seek attention. A lot of these reports are just that.

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
You're right, Gene....it is a form of narcissism. It's that one aspect of life where everyone sits up and takes notice, no matter who the source is, and the minions who declare "whoa....who are we to question this?" are plentiful.

For everyone who thinks this is so "mean-spirited" or whatever....just ask yourself if you want certain people in your daily encounters to be pondering BS like this....people like surgeons, airline pilots, police and emergency responders, military personnel.... I'd suggest that these are examples of people who'd you expect to be clear thinking and focused on reality. So why then is it more acceptable behavior from psychics, palm readers, or even ham operators?

Good grief.



 
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by KG4WXP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
" To date, there is no evidence whatsoever for the supernatural other than anecdotal accounts from the demonstrably unreliable human recollection."

Only about 50 paranormal teams who have captured this on video, including several live tv videos from the T.A.P.S. team which is the most well known mythbusting team in the world - these guys try to debunk ghost legends and they could NOT come up with an explanation for this.
 
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by KG4WXP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"For everyone who thinks this is so "mean-spirited" or whatever....just ask yourself if you want certain people in your daily encounters to be pondering BS like this...."

What, pondering unexplainable things? Oh, I don't know, because maybe the fascination with the unknown is one of the biggest things that has kept the human race moving forward. Then again, who am I to argue with the 'flat earth society'?

"people like surgeons, airline pilots, police and emergency responders, military personnel.... I'd suggest that these are examples of people who'd you expect to be clear thinking and focused on reality."

Perception of reality changes as things are proven and disproven, but by your account, none of those people should believe in God either, as he's about as tangible as any ghost allegedly is. Should they not believe in God?

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KG4WXP - Man created god and did a bad job in the process. Religion is just more irrational hocus pocus.

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KG4WXP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Man created god and did a bad job in the process. Religion is just more irrational hocus pocus. "

Hmm. Perhaps we should just get rid of quantum entanglement, the higgs-boson, black holes, dark matter, quarks, leptons, and extrasolar planets too, because we can't directly observe them...
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by MAGNUM257 on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012

MAGNUM257, go back to CB where you belong.

Gene"


Powerful statement, Gene. Well thought out, just like your previous comments. Thanks.

-chuck
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"Hmm. Perhaps we should just get rid of quantum entanglement, the higgs-boson, black holes, dark matter, quarks, leptons, and extrasolar planets too, because we can't directly observe them... "

They can be observed in scientific experiments. God cannot be observed since he does not exist just as the figment of your imagination does not exist. I say there is no evidence god exists. If you say god exists, then the burden is on you to prove it.

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
MAGNUM257 - Callsign?

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KG4YMC on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I had a feeling the guy would get flamed . Keep an open mind , explore think, investigate. isn't this what life and amatur radio suppose to be about ! hey , we got 4 more years of obama . Talk about long delayed intelligence / stupidity was not delayed . !
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KG4YMC on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
the channel l4 walkie talkies story made me laugh. My friend dale , now kb4mud and I used to try to talk to each other with those awful speaker mike combination.walkie talkie. radios. They sounded satanic even with fresh batteries. Later on my dad had set of vocaline radios he let us play with . We wore out our vocal cords yelling farther than they could talk .
 
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by KE8EC on December 22, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Some of these comments remind me of those guys, running a full on amp to talk two blocks. Minutes go by before they grunt or say a word or two to keep each other awake. At least this story gave a person something to think about, rather than the grunts and the few words to keep each other awake.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by G3LBS on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Should we reflect that some Jules Verne science fiction has become fact? That Piaget said 'anything that is anticipated is more likely to occur'? That a hard-boiled scientist like Stephan Schwartz should turn to remote viewing?
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Or that Joe Walsh, WB6ACU wrote: "you can't argue with a sick mind".

After reading this thread, I think he nailed it.

Why don't some of you guys get together and sell aluminum foil hats at Dayton next year.....looks like business might be good.

 
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by TTOMAS59 on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Human beings are creatures of believe. Atheism, humanism, and liberalism are just alternate religions. Those who love Obama are actually a cult. That's why they can find no fault with him.
Polycultural, polysexual, polyracial, polymorphous. All things to all people - the personification of evil.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by TTOMAS59 on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Translation: Since there is nothing good about Obama the wicked see nothing wrong with him.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WX7G on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The simple explanation:

A ham who knows you as TOB whispered it.

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K8QV on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!

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by TTOMAS59 on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Human beings are creatures of believe. Atheism, humanism, and liberalism are just alternate religions. Those who love Obama are actually a cult. That's why they can find no fault with him.
Polycultural, polysexual, polyracial, polymorphous. All things to all people - the personification of evil.


I wondered how long it would take to get around to force-fitting Obama into the discussion. There are some very interesting people around here. By interesting, I mean certifiable paranoid/delusional. Oh yeah, and anonymous too - what courage!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NQ3X on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Good story! I enjoyed it.

However, the discussion is why I gave up paranormal investigation. For some people it simply doesn't matter how clearly you explain or how fully you cite your explanations: They'll still be the equivalent of "I DO believe in spooks, I DO believe in spooks, I DO I DO I DO". I've been in the field, done dozens of hours of so-called "investigations", even designed some data collection means.

Rational scientists know all about formant noise, hypnopompic and hypnogogic hallucination, how easily the human senses can be spoofed (and how easily we let our senses lie to us), etc. But there's still people who insist the paranormal is real because they've seen/heard/felt it. They'll even invent quasi-scientific means to "demonstrate" or "prove" it's real, such as EVPs (Google "formant noise"), orbs (and other visual "evidence") and EMF-meter pulses.

That's where being a ham helped paranormal investigation in my case - I had to explain how our world is totally saturated with RF (and therefore EMF), from the switching power supply in that TV to garage door openers to wireless routers to ad infinitum; shortly after that discussion our group started leaving the EMF meters in the gear box. Orbs are so easily debunked it's not even worth explaining. EVPs are universally identified as formant noise when run through digital analysis which permits visual examination of the audio waveform. Comparison with known voice waveforms will show the fatal flaw in the supposed EVP; what the listener hears is not necessarily what's actually been recorded. Knowledge of technology, informed by my involvement with amateur radio, contributed hugely to this stance.

I've debunked cold spots, doors which open by themselves, you name it. I've cited paper after paper about the psychological origins for literally every single piece of "eyewitness" testimony I've encountered. I've tried to explain the difference between the definitions of the word "theory" and how paranormal researchers need to be more rigorous in their understanding of those definitions before they come anywhere near being taken seriously (I mean, really, people, if you can't define the scientific meaning of "theory", you're going NOWHERE). I've tried to encourage more rigorous investigative principles; developing hypotheses and devising experiments; all manner of things which could lead to real PROOF.

All to no avail. To these people I'm just a big old meanie-head who refuses to believe.

No; On the contrary, I'm NOT a big meanie-head. I WANT to be proved wrong; I WANT there to be supernatural whatsits! It's just that neither am I so blissfully credulous that my other name is "fool"; I require proof.

And that, friends, is why I no longer engage in paranormal research. People don't want real science or proof; they want to be patted on the head and told, "I believe you."
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 23, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>By NQ3X on December 23, 2012 .....People don't want real science or proof; they want to be patted on the head and told, "I believe you."<<<<

PERFECTLY stated.



 
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by W8KQE on December 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Recently, a local ham lent me an out of print book called 'The Ghost Of 29 Megacycles' (Google it) which is about some engineer Ham putting together a project called 'Spiricom', supposedly after hearing EVP voices. The kicker is that it is listed as 'non-fiction'!
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W0DLR on December 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
There is a worldwide believe in ghosts and myths and the unknown. Its called religion....
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NX8P on December 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I don't feel that eHam is hitting an all time low. Dave told a good and interesting story. I personally enjoyed reading it being real or not.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N1DVJ on December 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"More plot holes than a swiss cheese. For a start, UK (not English!) TV at the time was 405 line +ve mod, then became 625 line. It stayed as 625 line until we finally switched Limavady to DVB-T/T2 last month (I was there) "

What does that have to do with anything? The scammers were broadcasting from a photo/drawing with their own transmitter, which was supposedly in the local format.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N1DVJ on December 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"I had an "Archer" walkie-talkie... "

You need to realize that most of the 'single channel' walking talkies of that era had receivers that would receive not only the channel you were 'listed' as being on, but more than the entire band! In fact, there were some cheap units that only used a crystal for transmit, and had a wide band receive! Kids in the neighborhood could have HTs on different channels and they could still talk to each other!

Once you got into the multi-channel HTs then they had decent receivers. There were a few of the single channel HTs though that were decent, but the 'plastic pack' HTs that were 2 for $15 or so were almost always REALLY low end back yard only use.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KC2WI on December 24, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I had 'walkie-talkies" when I was a kid back in the 60's and they were great fun. At that time they were something special. Too bad now that even kids have cell phones and you can get a pair of FRS radios for $25, there is little 'magic' in having something like those old walkie-talkies.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by G7MRV on December 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"More plot holes than a swiss cheese. For a start, UK (not English!) TV at the time was 405 line +ve mod, then became 625 line. It stayed as 625 line until we finally switched Limavady to DVB-T/T2 last month (I was there) "

What does that have to do with anything? The scammers were broadcasting from a photo/drawing with their own transmitter, which was supposedly in the local format.


It has everything to do with it. This whole article is about something being misreported and misunderstood. These sorts of stupid myths exist because people constantly repeat incorrect information and unsubstantiated claims. This was a hoax, not a scam. Its been completely debunked a dozen or more times since the 50s.

If you cant accurately report such simple details as the actual line standard then you have no credibility whatsoever.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N1DVJ on December 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
"If you cant accurately report such simple details as the actual line standard then you have no credibility whatsoever."

Come on... You sound like the kind of person who claims a speeding ticket isn't valid because the cop didn't have his 'official hat' on properly when he pulled you over...
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K7FD on December 25, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I think I just heard Elvis on 7.032.KHz. Lots of QSB but I did catch "tnx u, tnx u vy much" at the tail end...
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K1DA on December 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I'll bet folks here don't believe "CBers" in Brazil are using a Navy Communications satellite for their blabbing. 255.55 is the output. Tune it in. THAT's paranormal if I say so.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 26, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
FD....Now you're talking, LOL!

Best,
Brad, K9MHZ
 
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by KV4BL on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hi David (N4KZ), and thank you for an interesting and enjoyable article. At the risk of hacking off the naysayers and skeptics on here who cannot stand that anyone would not doubt your story, I will tell you that I have had existence of an afterlife or "spirit" realm proven to me numerous times over the last quarter century or so. I don't have any "documentation" or laboratory analysis as proof, but it has been proven to my complete satisfaction, over and over, again. People who have experimented with EVP technology often recommend having an Aircraft band radio turned on and tuned to an unused frequency in the background while attempting to make audio recordings of spirit comms. One popular theory of why this seems to work better (with the Air band radio's white noise playing at low volume), is that the spirits need that white noise to form a voice and words, somehow.

When I was 29, I was dating a woman who is a "sensitive" and who told me of her personal encounters with ghosts. Part of me was intrigued and part of me wondered if she might not be just a bit "nutty". All of that latter part came to a screeching halt when I had my first encounter with a ghost while working a night shift in an old building that had once been a residence. It rattled me to the core that something which so many had told me did not exist DID indeed exist. I am very open about my experiences because I know how horrible it would have felt to have experienced the things that I have and not had anyone to talk to who knows that these things exist and are real. She was a tremendous help in my getting past the shock of finding out something that most say does not exist, does exist. I know that many, to include close and trusted friends, will think me a bit "nutty" for saying so. Unless and until they have an encounter with spirits that they cannot explain away and the literal "knowing" of what you are dealing with when that happens, they will always wonder if myself or anyone telling of such things is nutty or not.

Hang in there David and don't let the uptight naysayers get to you.

73,
Ray KV4BL
 
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by KE5JPP on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KV4BL you are probably an undiagnosed schizophrenic if you are hearing 'voices' talking to you out of nowhere. You might want to seek help for that.

Gene
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KV4BL on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Gene, what is it that eats your lunch so badly about people having experienced these things and having the guts to speak of them? Are you some kind of "religious" "leader" who fears loss of power if everything you have been telling your followers turns out to be not so accurate? Where did I say anything about hearing voices, other than to mention use of white noise from aircraft band radios to enhance EVP results? It is there on the internet and television for anyone to see if you look. Your insults and ranting are really quite childish at best. Is it that you hear voices that are not spiritual in nature but are the products of chemical imbalance in your own head and you seek desperately to convince those around you that you are "normal" by calling everyone else names?

Really Gene, thou doth protest too much.
 
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by KJ4P on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
HOW TO START AN ARGUMENT ONLINE:
1. Say Something
2. That's about it!
 
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by K8QV on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
You guys is funny.

I seen them UFOs comming over the trailer park. They took some of my naighbors up and did things to 'em; sexual things. I just hope I see the Bigfoot afore I die. It's real, I tell ya. Oh, yeah, it's real allrighty. People seen 'em. That there's proof enuf if people seen 'em.
 
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by MAGNUM257 on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
---by KE5JPP on December 22, 2012---

"MAGNUM257 - Callsign?

Gene"

No thanks Gene, I already have one.

-chuck

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by KV4BL on December 27, 2012 Gene, what is it that eats your lunch so badly about people having experienced these things and having the guts to speak of them?<<<<

Ray, I can only speak (write) for myself, but I think Gene would agree that many, many people have just about had it with so many Americans doing whatever they can to get noticed, to gain celebrity, and to feel empowered by doing cheap, ridiculous narcissistic things. REAL accomplishment and notoriety comes from hard work, education, dedication to family and friends....those are qualities of value and character.

An old Wing Commander of mine once said to all of us...."It's always better to have character than to be a character." I don't know if he authored it, but it sure speaks volumes about life in America today.

Telling the world about hearing ET on your HF rig is beyond embarrassing on this international forum.
 
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by KV4BL on December 27, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Bradley! I can respect what you are saying about people who do ridiculous stunts in order to obtain their fifteen minutes of "fame". There are idiots out there who do make ridiculous claims for the sole purpose of getting attention. Many of these people are found on the so-called "reality" TV programs. While a few such programs may serve a purpose in bringing attention to things most have no idea exists, there are quite a few which, along with the "characters" in them bring discredit to legitimate people who have had legitimate experiences. Such can be found in so many realms of endeavor from hunting, to paranormal, to religious, topics, as well as many more.

That said, there are serious students of things we now think of or label as "paranormal", whose research may one day lead to better understandings of nature (all life and creation in the Universe) than we now have. Someone back up the thread made a great analogy about people who once were certain that the earth was flat and who similarly (to Gene and others on here) could not heap enough ridicule and disdain on those who believed that it was not flat. It made them feel smart, big, or important; but history now remembers those hurlers of ridicule as the real dorks.

EVP is an interesting and apparently very real phenomenon. LIke the above topics, I feel sure that there will be those who claim or create "contacts" for the purpose of self-aggrandizement. Those people bring discredit to the serious attempts to research and understand the phenomenon. Having witnessed collection of EVP recordings, which cannot be explained by errant RFI or like issues, I believe it to have merit. Dave did not make any claims about having contacted ET or the like that I recall from his interesting article. Just because not everyone or even most people have experienced it, does that necessarily mean he is lying? I doubt that most people have experienced delayed "echoes" from their own transmissions, but I don't doubt that it has happened. Should we ridicule those hams who claim to have experienced such because we haven't ourselves experienced it and don't know anyone who has?

While we may not be on exactly the same wavelength with this discussion, I do find common ground in our sentiments and do respect you or at least giving an intelligent reply, rather than simply hurling insults as seems to be Gene's domain.

73,
Ray KV4BL
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KJ4YVM on December 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
I have only had my ticket for a little over 2 years now. I started out talking on CB's as many here did. I moved "up" to the Amateur bands, because I couldn't enjoy the mean spirited, closed minded attitude of the few you hear on the Citizen's Band today. The contemptible language and hatefulness found on those frequencies is the very reason many of us moved over to the closely regulated Amateur Bands, and one reason for the decline in it's use. It's very disheartening to find this same contemptible attitude displayed in the Ham community. It always seems to be fostered by an "I'm better than you" mentality or at least an attempt to foster the feelings of superiority.

As a side note, I find it interesting that the person on here, who was so vocal about God being man made, seems to be the most religious. This is true of all those who have attacked Dave for expressing himself in his post. The attacks on Dave and anyone who tried to defend his right to post his own experience according to his own interpretation of it, were the most dogmatic in their actions. Persecution of others for their beliefs is definitely a religious action.

This is a forum, a place to express ideas and share our experiences. I for one appreciate Dave and his post. I don't have to agree with him to appreciate the simple fact that he was willing to share with the rest of us. To attack him, simply because what he had to say was contrary to your own beliefs is petty to say the least. But then, he wasn't the only one treated that way, was he? Anyone who seems to agree with the idea that he has the right to express himself on here have been treated with equal offense. What should have been a simple case of read and contemplate was turned into a mean spirited argument by the few who were looking for attention. Dave was accused of looking for attention, but the real attention seekers are the ones who responded with sarcasm and contempt for him and his post.

I would have hoped to find a more open minded and accepting environment in the Ham Community, but apparently, wonder and curiosity are no longer accepted without ridicule because of the close minded people we find in all directions we look for acceptance.

I have enjoyed being involved in the Ham Community, to an extent, so don't get me wrong in what I am about to say. Amateur Radio will continue to decline and struggle to bring in new blood as long as this attitude is prevalent in our community. I found it ironically funny that the post condemning others on here, for their posts being read in foreign countries, was posted by someone who was attacking someone else for expressing themselves freely; A right we supposedly hold dearly here. Wonder how that oppression looked to the folks over-seas, huh?

I feel pretty certain that my comments will be received with the same contempt that others on here have been. I don't care. I had my say and now I am moving on. If you want to stay here and be a part of this, be my guest, you deserve it if this is all you have made for yourself.
 
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by KI4AX on December 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
There are some thing that just can't be explained.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on December 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
There are plenty on NUTCASES on eHam, that is for sure! Just witness the support of guys claiming that paranormal experience have ANY kind of reality other than a figment of someone's mentally ill mind.

So much for science and rationality.

Read Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan (who was also an atheist) if you want to come over to the side of sanity, rationality, and science.

Gene
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N7TFP on December 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Every time I turn on my radio at night I hear voices coming from the speaker, talking to me. Very weird.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KC8VWM on December 28, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
There are plenty of nutcases on eHam? Really?

...So why exactly are you here, and what makes you so special than everyone else on here then?
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NQ3X on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KV4BL wrote:

"One popular theory of why this seems to work better (with the Air band radio's white noise playing at low volume), is that the spirits need that white noise to form a voice and words, somehow."

That's because the human mind makes intelligence out of formant noise. White noise MAKES formant noise. They do this so they can manufacture their own "evidence."

"EVP is an interesting and apparently very real phenomenon."

No, it is not. Responsible paranormal investigators no longer regard EVP as an indicator of anything other than the human brain trying to make sense out of random noise.

"Having witnessed collection of EVP recordings, which cannot be explained by errant RFI or like issues, I believe it to have merit."

Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean someone else can't. ;-D Google "formant noise". Better yet, here's a link to REAL research, not crap from barely-sentient enthusiasts:

http://www.assap.ac.uk/

"Just because not everyone or even most people have experienced it, does that necessarily mean he is lying?"

No, and your reaction to skepticism is a humongous part of the problem. Our brains are wired to recognize things, and we are wired and trained to trust what our senses tell us. The trouble is our senses are easily spoofed into giving us information which simply isn't there. If your brain tells you you've experienced something, you're not *lying*. But that doesn't mean what you think you experienced was actually *real*. That's the crucial thing to consider!

That's why reputable investigators don't put much credence in witness testimony, either. ;-)

In every single case with which I was involved when I was actively investigating the paranormal, every piece of eyewitness testimony was easily explained by widely known psychological or physical effects. But the witnesses didn't know them, and guess what? Most paranormal investigators don't, either, because they're not scientists; they're true-believing enthusiasts.

In order to get at real research, one must dig deeper than the countless enthusiast websites spawned by people who watch Paranormal State and Ghost Hunters and say to themselves, "That's totally cool". You really have to drill - that's how I found ASSAP. The litmus test for any website or datum I find is simple: How does the author approach the issue? If the author approaches investigation from a rational, skeptical angle, where s/he requires solid, physical proof - preferably gathered in a repeatable fashion - I will at least give it a glance. If s/he can't tell the difference between hypothesis and theory, I disregard them out of hand. The way to prove the existence of the paranormal is through SCIENCE. That's a high standard of proof, and it's the only one that counts.

Cheers,

Bob
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NQ3X on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KV4BL wrote:

"One popular theory of why this seems to work better (with the Air band radio's white noise playing at low volume), is that the spirits need that white noise to form a voice and words, somehow."

That's because the human mind makes intelligence out of formant noise. White noise MAKES formant noise. They do this so they can manufacture their own "evidence."

"EVP is an interesting and apparently very real phenomenon."

No, it is not. Responsible paranormal investigators no longer regard EVP as an indicator of anything other than the human brain trying to make sense out of random noise.

"Having witnessed collection of EVP recordings, which cannot be explained by errant RFI or like issues, I believe it to have merit."

Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean someone else can't. ;-D Google "formant noise". Better yet, here's a link to REAL research, not crap from barely-sentient enthusiasts:

http://www.assap.ac.uk/

"Just because not everyone or even most people have experienced it, does that necessarily mean he is lying?"

No, and your reaction to skepticism is a humongous part of the problem. Our brains are wired to recognize things, and we are wired and trained to trust what our senses tell us. The trouble is our senses are easily spoofed into giving us information which simply isn't there. If your brain tells you you've experienced something, you're not *lying*. But that doesn't mean what you think you experienced was actually *real*. That's the crucial thing to consider!

That's why reputable investigators don't put much credence in witness testimony, either. ;-)

In every single case with which I was involved when I was actively investigating the paranormal, every piece of eyewitness testimony was easily explained by widely known psychological or physical effects. But the witnesses didn't know them, and guess what? Most paranormal investigators don't, either, because they're not scientists; they're true-believing enthusiasts.

In order to get at real research, one must dig deeper than the countless enthusiast websites spawned by people who watch Paranormal State and Ghost Hunters and say to themselves, "That's totally cool". You really have to drill - that's how I found ASSAP. The litmus test for any website or datum I find is simple: How does the author approach the issue? If the author approaches investigation from a rational, skeptical angle, where s/he requires solid, physical proof - preferably gathered in a repeatable fashion - I will at least give it a glance. If s/he can't tell the difference between hypothesis and theory, I disregard them out of hand. The way to prove the existence of the paranormal is through SCIENCE. That's a high standard of proof, and it's the only one that counts.

Cheers,

Bob
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NQ3X on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KV4BL wrote:

"One popular theory of why this seems to work better (with the Air band radio's white noise playing at low volume), is that the spirits need that white noise to form a voice and words, somehow."

That's because the human mind makes intelligence out of formant noise. White noise MAKES formant noise. They do this so they can manufacture their own "evidence."

"EVP is an interesting and apparently very real phenomenon."

No, it is not. Responsible paranormal investigators no longer regard EVP as an indicator of anything other than the human brain trying to make sense out of random noise.

"Having witnessed collection of EVP recordings, which cannot be explained by errant RFI or like issues, I believe it to have merit."

Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean someone else can't. ;-D Google "formant noise". Better yet, here's a link to REAL research, not crap from barely-sentient enthusiasts:

http://www.assap.ac.uk/

"Just because not everyone or even most people have experienced it, does that necessarily mean he is lying?"

No, and your reaction to skepticism is a humongous part of the problem. Our brains are wired to recognize things, and we are wired and trained to trust what our senses tell us. The trouble is our senses are easily spoofed into giving us information which simply isn't there. If your brain tells you you've experienced something, you're not *lying*. But that doesn't mean what you think you experienced was actually *real*. That's the crucial thing to consider!

That's why reputable investigators don't put much credence in witness testimony, either. ;-)

In every single case with which I was involved when I was actively investigating the paranormal, every piece of eyewitness testimony was easily explained by widely known psychological or physical effects. But the witnesses didn't know them, and guess what? Most paranormal investigators don't, either, because they're not scientists; they're true-believing enthusiasts.

In order to get at real research, one must dig deeper than the countless enthusiast websites spawned by people who watch Paranormal State and Ghost Hunters and say to themselves, "That's totally cool". You really have to drill - that's how I found ASSAP. The litmus test for any website or datum I find is simple: How does the author approach the issue? If the author approaches investigation from a rational, skeptical angle, where s/he requires solid, physical proof - preferably gathered in a repeatable fashion - I will at least give it a glance. If s/he can't tell the difference between hypothesis and theory, I disregard them out of hand. The way to prove the existence of the paranormal is through SCIENCE. That's a high standard of proof, and it's the only one that counts.

Cheers,

Bob
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NQ3X on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
KV4BL wrote:

"One popular theory of why this seems to work better (with the Air band radio's white noise playing at low volume), is that the spirits need that white noise to form a voice and words, somehow."

That's because the human mind makes intelligence out of formant noise. White noise MAKES formant noise. They do this so they can manufacture their own "evidence."

"EVP is an interesting and apparently very real phenomenon."

No, it is not. Responsible paranormal investigators no longer regard EVP as an indicator of anything other than the human brain trying to make sense out of random noise.

"Having witnessed collection of EVP recordings, which cannot be explained by errant RFI or like issues, I believe it to have merit."

Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean someone else can't. ;-D Google "formant noise". Better yet, here's a link to REAL research, not crap from barely-sentient enthusiasts:

http://www.assap.ac.uk/

"Just because not everyone or even most people have experienced it, does that necessarily mean he is lying?"

No, and your reaction to skepticism is a humongous part of the problem. Our brains are wired to recognize things, and we are wired and trained to trust what our senses tell us. The trouble is our senses are easily spoofed into giving us information which simply isn't there. If your brain tells you you've experienced something, you're not *lying*. But that doesn't mean what you think you experienced was actually *real*. That's the crucial thing to consider!

That's why reputable investigators don't put much credence in witness testimony, either. ;-)

In every single case with which I was involved when I was actively investigating the paranormal, every piece of eyewitness testimony was easily explained by widely known psychological or physical effects. But the witnesses didn't know them, and guess what? Most paranormal investigators don't, either, because they're not scientists; they're true-believing enthusiasts.

In order to get at real research, one must dig deeper than the countless enthusiast websites spawned by people who watch Paranormal State and Ghost Hunters and say to themselves, "That's totally cool". You really have to drill - that's how I found ASSAP. The litmus test for any website or datum I find is simple: How does the author approach the issue? If the author approaches investigation from a rational, skeptical angle, where s/he requires solid, physical proof - preferably gathered in a repeatable fashion - I will at least give it a glance. If s/he can't tell the difference between hypothesis and theory, I disregard them out of hand. The way to prove the existence of the paranormal is through SCIENCE. That's a high standard of proof, and it's the only one that counts.

Cheers,

Bob
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NQ3X on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Holy poo; sorry for the multiple posts. Moderator help, please?
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K7ELP on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting. I had a experience on 2M AM in the early 1970's. I was on active duty with the U.S. Coast Guard stationed at the training center on Governor's Island N.Y. The island is located in the N.Y harbor and about 1 mile South of the tip of manhatten. I had a clear shot to Brooklyn...likely less than 10 miles to my contact. I was using an old Clegg 22'r and a 11ELement beam on the roof of a 7 story apartment building. I was talking to a fellow ham in Brighton Beach one evening and all of a sudden we lost contact. Neither of us could hear each other. We talked on the phone and we did not have equipment problems. The next night contacts were normal.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N3JIY on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
K7ELP,
Maybe a metal ship sailed between your beam and your contact across the harbor ?
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N9AVY on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Too much eggnog, huh ?
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WD4ELG on December 29, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Speaking of paranormal, there was this TV show the other night where they revealed that Bigfoot has human DNA in him.

I went and told the XYL. She smiled and said "Honey, I have known that you have human DNA since I married you."

I skulked off to the ham shack...
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WA1UFO on December 31, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
Well Gene, I disagree! This was a very interesting article and fun as well. You are a disagreeable old buzzard before your time. Have a nice day!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KD8MJR on December 31, 2012 Mail this to a friend!
The original story was very nice, it certainly paints a picture in my mind at how freaked out he must have been hearing his old call sign. It was most likely just the brain playing tricks and invoking some memory from the past and blurring it in with the present.


As for Ghosts, I don't believe in them for a second, even though I saw one myself! LOL so let me explain.

I was around 25 years old at the time when I drove up to my parent’s house late at night with a friend. We both got out of the car and went up onto the front porch when just as I was putting the key in the door I saw a little Girl about 12 years old standing to the right of me maybe 8ft away and she was looking straight at me. I knew that she did not belong at the house, so I said "Hello who are you?" she did not reply just stayed in a stationary position with a fixed look on her face. I grabbed my friends arm and said are you seeing this, he looked at me and said seeing what! I turned to look at him to see if he was looking in the right direction and when I looked back she was gone.
My friend said that from the moment I put the key in the door he noticed I froze and was just starring to my right for about 10 seconds, so he was already looking trying to see what I was looking at.

I did some reading the very next day and found out that there has never been a credible ghost sighting (meaning one with visual details) where more than one person saw the Ghost at the same time. Only individuals not groups see the same Ghost and that confirms to me that what’s is happening is simply the brain going into some sort of complex loop and feeding back an after image stored in your deep memory.

As for weird Ham phenomena, I have had two separate events where I transmitted and heard my own voice echo back 20-30 seconds later, tried it again, same thing. I then changed frequencies and still got back the return signal at about a 44. I imagine it must have been ducting, just wish I had recording capabilities back then.

The second weird thing was experiencing an EMP. I was on 20M in QSO with a couple of friend the QRN was at an S7 and all was fine when all of a sudden I hear a huge BOOM! It was a power transformer maybe about 1/2 mile away that had blown up. Two seconds after the blast the Signals all just started to fade out and the Radio went dead quiet like the Antenna was disconnected. About 30-40 seconds later the noise level started to come back up and I could hear my friends again. I was really excited to experience and EMP, it was certainly very cool to see the effect.
 
ESE?  
by N7SMI on January 2, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It sounds to me like you made the first successful Earth - Star - Earth QSO. There are a few good candidate stars about 15 light years away, just far enough to bounce back your 30 year old signal.

Unfortunately this QSO was probably with yourself and will therefore not count toward the soon-to-be-formed WAS (Worked All Stars) award.
 
RE: ESE?  
by AF4XK on January 2, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

Interesting post.
 
RE: ESE?  
by KD8HMB on January 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I suppose that there is some truth to all of this - on occasion I do hear disembodied voices saying "Up, up, stupid". The voices never ID, so I assume that they are poltergiests playing with us. They are especially active during contests.
 
RE: ESE?  
by K9MHZ on January 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
They tend to belch and curse, too. A crude bunch, those paranormals.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by PA3GWO on January 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Dave , thanks for sharing your experiences , I surtenly found it interesting.

And for those who do not share his ideas or thoughts there is nothing wrong by showing some respect.

Tony
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WA7DU on January 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I missed the beginning of this set of exchanges; probably would have been to my benefit if I'd given it a complete pass when I noticed it. I was fascinated by the degree if boorishness demonstrated in some of the posts. Other adjectives come to mind: ill-mannered, ill-bred, intolerant, supercilious, narrow-minded...

I'll let subsequent readers decide which to assign to whom. Perhaps a bit of humor to lighten the mood--author Douglas Adams is credited with this remark: "I love editor's deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go rushing by."

Next: the World Wrestling Federation on eHam.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on January 4, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
WA1UFO: Your call sign says it all! The 'true believers' always call the rational skeptics 'disagreeable'. I can't agree with 'facts' from a fairy tale.

Gene

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on January 4, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe we can talk the League into publishing a new book....Contesting With The Paranormal, Tips For That Competitive Edge.

They can also come up with a new award....WAP (worked all paranormals). II mean c'mon, what are paying those guys for?
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KD8MJR on January 4, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Gene I will agree that 99.9% of all the UFO stuff is misidentification or out right hoaxes but that .1% is more than enough to prove something is up there.

I think they now have 6 Apollo astronauts that say they saw UFO's and a high number of Shuttle crews also.
Not to mention some really good radar contacts and photos of objects moving way faster than anything we can come close to building.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE5JPP on January 4, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KD8MJR: Where is the proof? Only stories and confabulations. Only one thing is for sure: People lie.

Gene
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by AA5JR on January 5, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am a brand new ham, and all this just happened since I sat for my license exams on November 3, 2012. I hadn't met a single ham here where I live.

None of this happened on the air. No ghost voices.

But it is interesting.

Exactly one week after taking all three license exams (was still waiting for call sign) I was thinking about going to Lowe's to get more sheetrock and other supplies for fixing up 'my' old house. I was also thinking about going to Radio Shack to see if they even stock SO239's etc. (I didn't know; I hadn't been in years.)

On the way I stopped for gas and decided to go to Lowe's first then maybe Radio Shack. Instead of heading toward the mall and Lowe's I headed toward my old house, mistakenly, by habit. I realized I had made a wrong turn and headed into the neighborhood to turn around. I had never been down this street, and the neighborhood is one of those without through streets. It doesn't get a lot of traffic.

I came back around on the unfamiliar streets, passing an unusual flat-roofed house, just as the neighborhood street turns back toward the main thoroughfare.

I then decided to head to Radio Shack and to forget Lowe's for the day.

As I headed toward Radio Shack inside the mall I saw a guy heading out and before the thought 'He looks like a ham!' could complete itself in my head he was heading toward me saying, "Hey didn't you take the Ham test last weekend?" It turns out he was one of the examiners who had given me the tests.

He told me to come by his house and shack some time and described how to get there.


The really unusual part is that his house...is...the unusual flat house that I had just passed 5 minutes before meeting him at Radio Shack. And I would never have met him at Radio Shack if I hadn't taken that wrong turn which just happened to lead by his flat roofed house which I had never before seen.

I thought it was pretty interesting, a HUGE coincidence to say the least. My first local ham friend and Elmer all in one.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N9AMI on January 8, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have no problem with the story and actually kind of a nice change than talking about emcomm junk. It reminds me of one of my favorite movies Frequency. If you have not had a chance to see it rent it. Ham Radio - Murder Mystery and Time Travel or sorts..
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by KE4RWS on January 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There's always a negative nilly in every bunch.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4HIJ on January 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
All the negative comments about religion and whining about "proof" remind me of an old quote that has stuck with me over the years even though I know not where it came from or who said it.... "Those who cannot accept some things on faith are doomed to a life of doubt."
Michael, W4HIJ
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9MHZ on January 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
http://www.gotquestions.org/paranormal-activity.html

Not sure what you're getting at exactly, Michael....but if one draws some kind of a link between being a person of religious faith and therefore naturally being more accepting of the paranormal because it's also unexplained....I think that person needs to delve into what his faith actually teaches about believing in such things.....hint: believing in paranormals, clairvoyants, psychics, etc, is widely regarded as sinful activity.



 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4HIJ on January 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Actually the main thing I was was referencing was the myriad of comments made about doubting the existence of God. The "atheist" if you will.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4HIJ on January 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
OH and BTW, don't Catholics believe in purgatory which is spirits trapped between Heaven and hell? I wouldn't know what they believe for sure as I'm a Baptist but that sounds an awful lot like "ghosts" to me.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K2WLO on January 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Gene, go ahead and write a better one if you think you can.

I enjoyed your story Dave.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NZ4O on January 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I'm a believer in the Charles Darwin theory of Evolution, you know every living thing rose out of a swirl of mud brought to life by a close lightning bolt one day billions of years ago. In my closet I have eight plastic containers filled with a variety of junk parts, a classic ham radio tinkerer junk box situation.

So I'm sitting in the radio shack one day last summer with a thunderstorm raging overhead. Of course all radios were unhooked from the power mains and grounds and all antennas automatically grounded outside of the shack.

All of a sudden flash boom a very close lightning strike. A few second later I hear this rattling sound in the closet.

I opened the closet doors and low and behold a brand new Icom IC-7800 was sitting there on top of the containers. Apparently the close lightning strike caused the junk parts to evolutionise into the radio of my dreams.

Next summer I'm going to place a pile of card stock paper on my work bench and hopefully another close lightning bolt will evolutionise the paper into a big pile of $1000 bills.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N4KC on January 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
NZ4O:

Wow! That is an amazing story and I don't doubt it for a moment. We would like to hear an update, though, if the 7800 ever requires warranty work. It would be of interest how Icom interprets the serial number "666."

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)
 
It's just a repeater  
by KC8RWR on January 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
No big deal, one of your QSOs just hit a repeater is all. A repeater on an exo-planet... about 15 light years away. It happens all the time. The alien repeaters are on HF because their ionosphere works different than ours. They can't build PL equipment because Earth still has it patented. They bought some PL equipment from Eath a while back but it's going to take a few more million years for the Voyagers to deliver it. Ironically, given the expiration times of interplanetary patents they can build their own right around the same time it arrives.

If you read this and think I am nuts, just remember, your the one who took it seriously.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by SWL377 on January 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Nope, never experienced any paranormal radio incidents.

I'd LOVE for ghosts to exist, but the sceptical EE in me cant make the thermodynamics work out.

Sadly I must ascribe ghost sightings and QSOs with the dead to misinterpretations, wishful thinking and hoaxes.

I've read every book I could find on UFOs (pro and con) cover to cover including the Condon report etc. I don't think there is any credible evidence that Earth has been visited by ETs in flying craft. The alien abduction stories sound to me like evidence of human mental abberations not extra terrestrial visits. Again, I WANT UFOs and ghosts to exist, but I don't get everything I wish for.

One good argument against UFOs is that now high resolution cameras exist on most cellphones. If UFOs exist you'd expect a big increase in credible photos and videos.

It has not happened.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by K9VPR on January 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am so sorry for the negativity that this author has received here. Especially knowing that he is a long-time ham. A senior, if you will, among his peers.

I am pretty much done with ham radio at this point. I came into this hobby approx. 2 years ago with incredible enthusiasm, drive, and determination to contribute in some small way. I went everywhere telling as many people that I could of the virtues of this pasttime - which fell mostly on deaf ears.

Now I know why.

The lot of you hams have crushed my will to continue with this aweful hobby. Far worse than any CB radio. There are so many wonderful and incredible things I could be doing with my time. And to know that I have spent so much money, time and effort - has ruined my spirit.

I am incredibly embarrassed to call myself an amateur radio operator. In fact, I no longer tell anyone.

I give my apology to the poster of this article.
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by NI6K on January 24, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
...SLDE -super long delay echo~
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W4HIJ on January 25, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
K9VPR...Don't let the curmudgeon's get you down. Every hobby I've ever been involved in has a malcontent element. Deep down inside, they hate themselves and have noting better to do with their time but to spew there bile and vitriol towards anyone or anything that doesn't fit into their narrow definition of what things should be. As evidenced by this thread, a lot of them have no faith in God which is one reason for all the bitterness they have. There are still good people in this hobby, you have to look harder to find them these days but they're around.
Michael
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W5WSS on January 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KE5JPP gene, God exists You can try to disprove it.

You can not.

As to this article echoes are real and there is a delay depending on the distance traveled etc. though this case sounds like someone was punkn.

 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N0JYC on January 31, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KE5JPP gene does what he accuses others of...looking for attention by making asinine, cruel comments to others. His negativity adds nothing intelligent to this thread. It must be happy days with gene in southern Oklahoma.
 
RE: Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by W5LMM on February 2, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I on occasion hear some idiot woman reciting random numbers in the digital (PSK) area of 20 and 40m

does that count?
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by N8NSN on February 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I hear code coming from our refrigerator quite regularly. It's really odd and it's in French !
Does this count?
 
Ham Radio Paranormal?  
by WA3YAY on February 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Paranormal activity is as likely to be in the mind of the beholder as it is to have a basis in some yet-unexplained existential phenomena. That said, there are some in the Physics community who think that the Quantum properties of nature, at the Plank scale, can allow for non-locality effects. In addition, a much smaller, but still respected group of scientists, including Sir Roger Penrose feel that it is possible that reality is a function of Quantum effects and that 'ghosts', as it were are really sourced in Quantum entanglement and non-locality. In other words, something from afar can act instantaneously from one reality to another, but only in theory and as a
twin of a given subatomic particle. So it does seems far fetched to link Quantum Physics to words uttered on a radio in Newtonian space.

All that said, while I can't personally accept speculation as fact unless converted into fact with a proper scientific set of proofs, vetted in the peer review process and established to something approaching sigma four, it stands to reason that unless one thinks that everything that can be known is known, the jury must be still out on some especially rare paranormal experiences.

So, if you THINK you heard it, you certainly did. But was it external to your mind, or within? And for that matter, Penrose and others feel that at the Plank scale where matter and energy are the same thing and time has no meaning, there is no distinction.
 
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