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NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':

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The Calm Before the Solar Storm? NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':

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NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by AI2IA on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
How can you "warn" that something unexpected is happening to the sun, if you have no clue what to expect?

No, it is not "mother nature" with cloven hoofs that controls the sun. God is the one who turns the big knobs on Old Sol. Hams will be among the first to see the results.
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by K3UG on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Do they teach you that God controls the Sun when you're home schooled?
 
Get thee understanding and save yourself.  
by AI2IA on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Home schooling, eh? Well, well, home schoolers will surpass grades and achievements with government school victims any time.

I am seventy my XYL is sixty-four. We home schooled our thirteen children. They are adults now. Two are accountants. One is a physician assistant, two own and operate a machine tool business, three are in medical school, one is a NYC firefighter, two teach liberal arts (the real liberal arts), and two are wives and mothers. All love God, their families,and their country.

Two are hams, another will join up soon.

Do some research and look up Psalm 111:10, Proverbs 22:6, and Proverbs 17:10.

We are by the grace of God free and independent just like our Founding Fathers.
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by K8QV on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

"Reality is more complicated.
Astronomers have been counting sunspots for centuries, and they have seen that the solar cycle is not perfectly regular."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2290289/NASA-warns-unexpected-happening-Sun-year-supposed-peak-sunspot-cycle.html#ixzz2N4viI64J
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Scientists have observed the irregularity of solar cycles for hundreds of years. This is not the Tribulation, Armageddon, or any other paranoid fantasy. It natural. God doesn't control the sun, he controls hurricanes, volcanoes and Republicans.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JPP on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The imaginary being that you are calling 'god' does not control anything outside of your own imagination.

Physics controls the sun. 'god' controls the delusional and schizophrenics defective mind.

 
To be prefectly clear and honest.  
by AI2IA on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This topic is about the sun and its future behavior, not about some presumed conflict between science and religion. Nevertheless, I am a man of both, and I will not have my position distorted.

I agree with Anselm in that I do not seek to understand in order to believe, but I believe in order to understand.

As they say in the stock market, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." This applies equally to our Sun. Scientifically, the only difference between believers and non-believers on this matter of the Sun's behavior is that believers hold that whatever happens with the Sun, it is the will of God. With the non-believers, they offer a hodgepodge of theories that they incrementally refine on a moment by moment basis and they call this "science." True "scientists" accept that they can never know the future with certainty.

While we are living and enjoying life, yes, the behavior of the Sun is seriously important. Yet, when those who mock religion arrive at their appointed moment of final agony and death, they will not care at all about their scientific theories of the Sun's behavior, and they will cry out to God to save them.

So, if you wish to make some scientific comments about the Sun's behavior, I'm sure we will read them with care, but if you wish to ridicule religion, you are exposing you weakness. Let us therefore get on with the topic of Sun's behavior, and leave a man's basis of his beliefs about the Sun to himself.
 
RE: To be prefectly clear and honest.  
by KE5JPP on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Keep you religious clap-trap nonsense to yourself. You are the irrational bible thumper who introduced religion into this discussion.
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by K3UG on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
To be clear, it was not my intent to mock religion. I'm all for your freedom to believe what you wish to believe. It's just that for me as an atheist, it's all a fairy tale, right up there with Santa and the Easter Bunny.

I've been licensed for over 50 years and it has been my belief that religion and politics are verboten topics among Amateur Radio enthusiasts.

I apologize for breaking my own rule, but when I saw someone suggest that some God might have impact on the Sun's behavior, I couldn't help myself.

I don't believe that any more than I believe that some God was influential in the slaughter in Newtown, CT.

(13 kids, eh... you've been a busy man..)
 
RE: To be prefectly clear and honest.  
by K8QV on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<appointed moment of final agony and death>>

Bugger off with your delusional threats. I'm sick of religious nuts from Christianity and Islam pushing their paranoid delusions on the rest of us. Just keep it to yourself.
 
RE: To be prefectly clear and honest.  
by KE5JPP on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
< I'm sick of religious nuts from Christianity and Islam pushing their paranoid delusions on the rest of us.>

AMEN!
 
Frightened Individuals attempt to suppress.  
by AI2IA on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The Sun, remember? I made the first post and wrote about the basis of my opinions about the future behavior of the Sun.

Oh, but you can't tolerate that I understand the Sun as being under the control of God. If I said that it was under the control of invisible atomic forces in some convoluted theory, that would have been okay. You could have let that one go, but, oh, to have expressed an opinion in conformance with what the majority of people in the world have believed since time immemorial, generations upon generations, the unlettered and the scholarly, the yeoman and the kings, the humble and the great ones of history, that is too much for you.

I did not post some long treatise on religion. I simply said that God controls the Sun - period. You have other ideas? So state them, concisely.

No wonder you are frightened by my unassuming words. You are in a minority of unhappy individuals who cannot just let it go.

Look, choose any basis of your beliefs about the Sun. It will not intimidate me. Believe what you will, but have some manners. Be gentlemen. Don't mock, and do try to focus on the subject - the future behavior of the Sun, remember?
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by KE5JDJ on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
You are all free to believe what you want.

That someone may be crudely bigoted and wants to belittle someone's belief may reveal an inward bitterness. It's easy to hide on a board and snipe people....and quite cowardly I might add.

Having a different belief does not make one bigoted. To belittle others is offensive.

I found the article from NASA interesting but the headline is problematic in that it was a sensationalized title. It is interesting to see what researchers are learning from their observations and how that relates to historical observations. I find it amazing that how science and the scientific method have not violated Bible teachings. If someone wants to belittle me I'd prefer you knock on my door and discuss it with me rather than confirming their cowardice by responding on a board.



 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JPP on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
You can believe in Santa Klaus, the Easter Bunny, God, or any other make believe character you want, I don't care. But it is you religious nuts who interject your god nonsense into a discussion about the sun - not the other way around. If you don't want your delusional beliefs ridiculed, then keep them to yourself. If you bring up such nonsense here, your nonsense beliefs are inviting ridicule.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JDJ on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It's a short drive here if you'd like to discuss.

Please, bring your ridicule with you.
 
One small sentence evokes shock and horror!  
by AI2IA on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks. - Hamlet, act III, scene 3.

Come on! What's with you guys? I post one little sentence in my comment, "God is the one who turns the big knobs on Old Sol." One sentence! A single thought that was not even a major part of my comment, and what do you chaps do? Why you come apart at the joints, that's what you do.

No, you cannot censor me. You cannot focus on topic of the Sun, and you cannot censor me. You are fixated on the word "God." You torture yourselves.

I have been involved in radio for over fifty years, and all I do is mention once in passing the word "God," and you fall apart. Jeepers creepers, talk about insecurity!

Go look at my original post and see if you can drag yourselves beyond my one little sentence that says, "God." Can you do it?

 
Look, I'll try to help you.  
by AI2IA on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I said that hams will be among the first to see the results of the Sun's upcoming activities.

Can you focus on that?

Over the years I feel that I have learned some interesting things about the Sun, and most of those things that I learned did not come from the Halls of Science, but from amateur radio. How about that?

Can you breathe easier now?
 
RE: One small sentence evokes shock and horror!  
by K3UG on March 9, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Because I found your mention of God on an Amateur Radio forum abhorrent, I'm insecure?

There's not much I can add to that; it speaks for itself.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by WB6DGN on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KE5JDJ, well said!
X2
Tom
 
RE: One small sentence evokes shock and horror!  
by WB6DGN on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Because I found your mention of God on an Amateur Radio forum abhorrent, I'm insecure?
There's not much I can add to that; it speaks for itself."

As does this statement.
Tom
 
RE: One small sentence evokes shock and horror!  
by KE5JPP on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Rational people don't believe in an invisible puppet-master in the sky pulling strings to make the Universe dance. The religious are delusional. Look up the definition.

Also, it has been shown that the more "religious" a person claims to be and the more offended the "religious" become when challenged, the more likely that the "religious" person is using religion to hide his/her true nature: child molesters, wife beaters, serial adulterers, rapists, murderers, drug addicts, common criminals, and con artists. I would bet that some of the "religious" defenders in this thread fall into one of the categories above.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by N3UEM on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
well, after reading some of the response's to this post, i am starting to understand why participation in ham radio is on a down swing.

I just started to get back into Ham radio partly because my youngest boy who is disabled has shown an interest in it, and i thought it would just be another avenue for him to enjoy life and not have his disability limit him.

My wife and i have tried to raise our kids with morals and the ability to think for them selves, we have also introduced them to God, and they have formed their own opinions on that, but have also learned not to disrespect others opinions on the subject/belief.

I find it odd that people who do not believe in God/ Christ, aka Athiest, have the gull to whine about people who bring up God and say that it is being forced down the their throat but will start making fun of and persecuting those of Faith and tell them they are delustional, which is basically shoving athisism down their throat.

I sure hope i am not trying to get my son and family into something that has now become another part of Liberal bash everthing we dont believe in world.

If you have figured it out by now i will put all up front, I am a proud conservative, God fearing, Gun toting proud American.

Have a good day, and God bless( if you are athiest pay know mind to the God bless so you wont be offended)

Michael hardy
N3UEM
 
RE: One small sentence evokes shock and horror!  
by N3UEM on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, you are a work of art, and a liar to boot, please back up that statement, but you cant!!!!
 
RE: One small sentence evokes shock and horror!  
by KE5JPP on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
More delusional religious ranting. Like I said, I don't care if you believe in Santa Klaus, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, or the invisible imaginary god-man in the sky, just keep your religious nonsense rantings to yourself. This is an Amateur Radio forum, not a religious nut forum.
 
Look what they've done to the topic.  
by AI2IA on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It has become quite evident that the God deniers cannot bring themselves back to the topic of the future behavior of the Sun. Just look at this thread.

Consider that the very first comment included the mere word "God" just in passing, and look how the God deniers have jumped all over it. Notice the nasty name calling tone they use. These are not happy people, contented people, people of good will.

Nonetheless, don't let the very few keep you or your family away from amateur radio. The majority of hams are, as Paul M. Segal, W9EEA, SK said back in 1928, "...considerate, loyal, progressive [that is in keeping up with science], friendly, balanced, and patriotic."

Most of the bad apples hang around 80 meters for some reason, but most hams are good, decent folks.

Still, it would be nice to see a few objective comments about what hams think the Sun might do over the coming days, weeks, and months.
 
RE: Look what they've done to the topic.  
by K3UG on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Whoa, wait a minute...

It was YOU that said your imaginary friend was controlling the sun, not any of us.

If you're going to make such a preposterous claim, then you might as well get ready to be exposed.
 
RE: Look what they've done to the topic.  
by KE5JPP on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
You nutty religious guys are the ones who keep droning on about some imaginary puppet-master in the sky. It is obvious that you cannot stick to the subject of the sun without interjecting your primitive, small minded and irrational religious beliefs.

 
RE: Look what they've done to the topic.  
by WA4FOM on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Better than the customary arguments about how dropping the code requirement has polluted amateur radio. I find it refreshing...
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by KU2US on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I would rather be controlled by God, than that maniac Obama!
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JDJ on March 10, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There is a serious need for anger management classes here. The possibility of rank intolerance and chance of inability to accommodate people's belief's may have exposed fascists tendencies. Ridicule and the ease at which impugning character may have arisen here is alarming.

Again...it is easy to snipe someone on a board and quite something else to call them whatever horrid thing that may be implied to their face.

The licenses have addresses. If anyone was referring to me they are free to look me up, drive by and discuss their feelings face to face. I'll make time for you. Elsewise reside comfortably in your name calling and the insecure knowledge of your own personal cowardice.
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by K1DA on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The left is annoyed, I see, because their brainwashing about the "evil" of religion hasn't reached everyone as yet. Personally, I beileve in the "wager".
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by K8QV on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It took longer than expected for a mention of Obama to come up.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by W8OKX on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Um, let's get this straight, shall we? God INVENTED physics. Thank you.

BTW, it never ceases to amaze me how certain "progressive" folks, be they hams or non-hams, decry one's right to exalt Him. More to the point, they appear to be so afraid of someone they claim doesn't exist. I'm coming to believe more and more, that just as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, atheism is the sincerest form of expressing a belief in someone much greater than ourselves.

Peace.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by AE6RO on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There are those who believe in a Sun Goddess. Reference the Japanese, for example. Or the Greeks, founders of Western civilization. Why don't we get back on topic? Or do I know the answer already? John
 
It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by AI2IA on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
When I put the first post on here, I never thought that a few atheists would twist the thread into an attack on personal beliefs.

My intended point was that steady operation of ham radio over years gives us a certain familiarity with the solar cycle effects and that hams would be the first to know, or at least among the first to know by experience what is tending to go on with the Sun in the days ahead.

Little did I think that my mere mention that "God turns the big knobs on the Sun" would bother anybody at all. It is my way of understanding things, granted and presumed that surely a minority of others might look at things differently.

My position has always been that each person is the caretaker of his own beliefs and is also responsible for his own behavior. I was hoping that they would get past this hang up and post some of their observations about the Sun based upon their ham activity over the years and during the solar cycles, but alas this was not to be.

So, all of us have now missed an opportunity to read the observations and conclusions of fellow hams, regardless of their beliefs, on how ham radio has given them ideas about the future behavior of the sun.
Now we are too far along on this post, and most will move on to other topics. Thus bigotry has trumped discussion.
 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by K8QV on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Would it be okay if someone chimed in on the scientific discussion with, "As Muhammed (pbuh) has told us, Allah is the force behind the sun" or "As we know from the teachings of the Maharishi, the sun rides the back of the celestial elephant" or "L. Ron Hubbard has explained the workings of the universe" or maybe "As rational beings we realize there are no supernatural forces or gods guiding the universe"? If not, then please understand that it's also not okay to drop in an advert for your religion just because it's your own belief.
 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by N3UEM on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
So we cant express our faith by making referance of God?
But we can can practice your lack of faith/ religion(atheism) by making no mention of him by acting as if he does not exist?

There are two chances of me acting as if God does not exist just to make you, or anyone else happy, slim and none, and slim aint got back from CHRISTmas yet!!!!!!
 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by KE5JPP on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I don't care if you believe in Santa Klaus, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, or the invisible imaginary god-man in the sky, just keep your religious nonsense rantings to yourself. This is an Amateur Radio forum, not a religious nut forum.
 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by K8QV on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<So we cant express our faith by making referance of God?>>


Only if I can, too. And the Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans and Wiccans. Sound fair?

Didn't think so.

 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by N3UEM on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
If you dont like it don't read it, God knows how many of your anti religious rants are in many of your reply's all over this forum, so if you are going to think you are going to run your yap about how you feel about religion and everybody is going to sit back and say, (oh isnt that cute here he goes bashing religion and people of faith again) you are sadly mistaken.

I am tired of athiest thinking they can run their yap about religion and people of faith and nobody should question it, but when those of us of faith make a coment about GOD!!! they need to stop shoving their religion down my throat!

Suck it up and deal with it!!!!!

have a nice day, and God bless.
Mike
N3UEM
 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by N3UEM on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I dont remember ever saying that people of other faiths could not express them selves.
sounds fair to me.

dont try put words in my mouth, or be so pompous as to think you can answer for me..
 
RE: It could have been interesting about the sun.  
by KA2FIR on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KE5JPP - Troll
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by AI2IA on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Since a couple of so-called atheists have trashed any possibility of keeping this thread on topic concerning the expectations of the future behavior of the Sun, we might as well have it, atheists. Only fools would be so cracked as to think that they could censor the words of the majority of mankind. You surely cannot do that on eHam or anywhere else.The tone of your words reveal the flaws in your thinking.The eyes of your readers are a mirror to your bad will, but in your pride, you will, of course, deny that.

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble." - Albert Einstein
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KA4NMA on March 11, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I thought the code wars was bad... Atheists, be respectful and stop the name calling. Christians, also show respect. I wish we could get back to the sun? What is going on with it? Twin peaks? Heading into decline?

Randy Ka4nma
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
< God INVENTED physics >

Man invented God.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It is funny a "religious" would quote Einstein. Einstein did not believe in your God.
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. " - Albert Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." - Albert Einstein

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text." - Albert Einstein

 
Refute what is said, not who said it.  
by AI2IA on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Those who have any intelligence and good will note the words that are said and the truth in them as being more important than the person who said it.

Also, so what would you make of Einstein? Was he then a liar, or a man of contradiction?

Do you have the mental acumen to confront his words in that quote about a higher power in the universe? If so, by all means demonstrate it.

God does indeed turn the big knobs on the Sun, and you do not know and cannot know from one future moment to the next what will confront you.

God is the author of all the laws of science, and man cannot give a logical, valid assurance why any of those laws must continue to remain in force. You attempt to ruin your own lives just as you attempt to ruin this thread - all because of one word, "God."
 
The hammers go into oblivion  
by AI2IA on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith's door
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
When looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers worn with beating years of time.
"How many anvils have you had," said I,
"To wear and batter these hammers so?"
"Just one," said he; then with a twinkling eye,
"The anvil wears the hammers out, you know."
And so, I thought, the anvil of God's Word,
For ages, skeptics blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed - the hammers gone.
- John Clifford
 
RE: The hammers go into oblivion  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
AI2IA, in addition to being a religious nut, you also appear to be mentally unbalanced. Go back to worshiping your invisible friend in the sky.
 
RE: The hammers go into oblivion  
by W8KMA on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
God is a swear word to the athiest....It's a cold world without the son...
 
RE: The hammers go into oblivion  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Is your 'god' so impotent that he needs you to defend him here on eHam? LOL!
 
To resist is futile.  
by AI2IA on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Now here is the ironically funny thing. The joke is on the God-deniers.

There are no "atheists." They know this. They deny God, but even in their denials they affirm the truth of God. They rant. They rage. It only adds strength to the believers.How can you center your entire life on the false idea that something does not exist? Silly, isn't it?

They could stand shaking bowls of watch parts their entire lives and never produce a ticking watch with the correct time. In God's orderly world there is no such thing as randomness.

God does indeed lead the man who follows willingly, but the man who is unwilling, him, he drags.

So, God willing, the Sun will shine tomorrow. The hidden workings of the Sun will be displayed. The rise and fall of solar activity will occur exactly as God wills and for as long as God wills. Scientists and false scientists will observe. They will conjecture or dissemble as the case may be, and they will come away dissatisfied, because they are ever searching and never finding the truth. The believers will believe,and they will enjoy or accept as the case may be what God gives them and they will revel in life as in amateur rado, and partake in all things, incuding scientific investigations and ham activity with kindness, patience, charity, and joy. Who would not want to be part of such a group?
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by W8OKX on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There's a wise old saying: Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig LIKES it.

I offer the above with my sincerest apologies to the porcine community.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by K8QV on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This website is not an appropriate mission field. Religious views are out of place and should stay in the religious forums, not here among a diverse audience. Expect to be challenged when expressing unsupported beliefs among the general public.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This is where the "religious" start their straw-man argument again atheists. Atheists do not believe that god does not exist. Atheists have no belief in a god. That is a huge difference. YOU are the one making the claim that there is some invisible being in the sky that you call your god. If you are making that claim, then the burden on you is to prove it. Otherwise it is just a silly delusion on your part that you should keep to yourself.

If you are going to use a forum such as eHam to try to support and preach about your belief in a god, then you had better be ready to offer some kind of proof, other than you just have 'faith'.

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." - Mark Twain

"Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste." - Mark Twain

"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing." - Mark Twain

"Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion." - Mark Twain

"We have to keep our God placated with prayers, and even then we are never sure of him--how much higher and finer is the Indian's God......Our illogical God is all-powerful in name, but impotent in fact; the Great Spirit is not all-powerful, but does the very best he can for his injun and does it free of charge." - Mark Twain

"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain." - Mark Twain
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by KA2FIR on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Ray, he's a troll. Ignore him.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by KE5JPP on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
A very short list of the thousands of scientists, physicists, and inventors who are also atheists. I am in good company.

Niels Bohr
Pierre Curie
Paul Dirac
Thomas Edison
Richard Feynman
Stephen Hawking
Peter Higgs
Ray Kurzweil
Joseph Louis Lagrange
Pierre-Simon Laplace
Ernst Mach
Hermann Joseph Muller
John Forbes Nash, Jr.
Alfred Nobel
J. Robert Oppenheimer
Linus Pauling
Ivan Pavlov
Sir Roger Penrose
Henri Poincaré
Carl Sagan
Erwin Schrödinger
Claude Shannon
William Shockley
Alan Turing
Steven Weinberg
Steve Wozniak

Or course, many of the home schooled uneducated "theists" will not know many on the list. No surprise.
 
NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun':  
by KD8KCH on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
All this ranting,wow. Something to think about.

I would rather live my life believing in and trying to follow God's will and then find out after life as we know it that I was wrong, than to push Him aside and then find out that was the wrong decision!

73 KD8KCH
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by WA4KCN on March 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"A very short list of the thousands of scientists, physicists, and inventors who are also atheists. I am in good company.

Niels Bohr
Pierre Curie
Paul Dirac
Thomas Edison
Richard Feynman
Stephen Hawking
Peter Higgs
Ray Kurzweil
Joseph Louis Lagrange
Pierre-Simon Laplace
Ernst Mach
Hermann Joseph Muller
John Forbes Nash, Jr.

How about this list of God fearing famous scientists

1.Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1536)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.
2.Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)
3.Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!
4.Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.
5.Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.
6.Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Pascal was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and theologian. In mathematics, he published a treatise on the subject of projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory. Pascal invented a mechanical calculator, and established the principles of vacuums and the pressure of air. He was raised a Roman Catholic, but in 1654 had a religious vision of God, which turned the direction of his study from science to theology. Pascal began publishing a theological work, Lettres provinciales, in 1656. His most influential theological work, the Pensées ("Thoughts"), was a defense of Christianity, which was published after his death. The most famous concept from Pensées was Pascal's Wager. Pascal's last words were, "May God never abandon me."
7.Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
8.Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.
9.Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.
10.Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.
11.William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).
12.Max Planck (1858-1947)
Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"
13.Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

________

The fact Albert Einstein believed in God does not give me more confidence in the existance of God, it gives me more confidence in the wisdom of Albert Einstein.

 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by KE5JPP on March 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry, Einstein did not believe in your god:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. " - Albert Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." - Albert Einstein

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text." - Albert Einstein

Einstein said he was agnostic. In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by W8KMA on March 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Everyone will know the real truth when they have died...Should be interesting... Hey!!! What about those sun spots???? Can anyone say, SIDETRACKED.....
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by KE5JPP on March 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<How about this list of God fearing famous scientists>

There are always a few bad apples in the bunch.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by W4LTZ on March 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KE5JPP,

You are angry and frightening. I would not allow you to be around my family as you are. To ease your obvious internal conflicts, I offer some suggestions:

First, you might enjoy the quiet repose of meditation. Or perhaps a few hours in the secluded company of a member of the opposite sex might have a salubrious effect. Failing that, some time outside involved in vigorous exercise in direct sunlight, despite how unaccustomed you may be to it, is often a panacea.

Whatever path you choose, please get help.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by WA4KCN on March 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Einstein "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."5

Well you finally got one thing right. Einstein was not an atheist. Being in good company with a group of atheist scientists is tantamount to being in good company with a group of masochists.
 
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by KG7AYJ on March 13, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Uh...not to be too picky, but shouldn't this discussion be a bit more about what's happening (or not) with the sun and a bit less about theological arguments?

Just sayin'.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by KE5JPP on March 14, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The bible-thumpers just can't seem to get back on topic. They want to talk incessantly about their imaginary friend in the sky. They are not happy until EVERYONE suffers under the same religious delusions as they do. There is no hope for them because they are obviously mentally ill.

And they sure are not acting like the "Christians" they claim to be - they are only "Christians" when it is convenient for them.
 
RE: To resist is futile.  
by W8KMA on March 14, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Let it be... Let it be... Let it be... Let it be.....Speaking words of wisdom... Let it be...
 
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by AB2YC on March 14, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

Just a Reminder From "The Amateurs Code"

The Radio Amateur is: ...... FRIENDLY ......






 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by W5GNB on March 14, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Wow.... This thread Reads like something I would HEAR on 14.313 HIHI........
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by AB2YC on March 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Wow.... This thread Reads like something I would HEAR on 14.313 HIHI........ "


I was dismayed that hams would such tones with each other.






 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by AB2YC on March 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
OP Thanks for the article, it will be interesting to see what happens.


 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by K9OF on March 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Stunning and disappointing language. Ad hominem attacks.

Sounds just like our country and its mass media. A culture of divisiveness, one side against the other, no rules, no holds barred.

What a shame our hobby and eham.net "articles" have come to this.
 
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by AI2IA on March 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Numerous theories on the origins of the universe and the origins and activities of the Sun are historically and otherwise never on an equal footing with religious beliefs in a supreme being as a First Cause.

No one who believes in a supreme being as a First Cause needs to keep such beliefs to himself for any reason as if such beliefs are unworthy in any forum concerning causes and origins. The intensity of objections by non-believers can never smother the reasonableness and value of such positions, nor can it overcome the power and influence of the idea of a supreme being upon the human mind for the duration of the existence of mankind.

You can attempt to shout it down, or shame it down, you can attempt to drive it out with a pitchfork, but it will spring back in full force from every attempt to repel it. Such is the glory of God. - R. Mullin, ai2ia
 
RE: NASA Warns 'Something Unexpected is Happening to the Sun  
by W8OKX on March 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Well said, Ray. A certain gentleman from Mc Alester, Oklahoma doesn't strike me as an atheist at all. On the contrary, he's a very strong believer. His remarks betray this fact in spades. Rather, he has serious issues with those of us who not only believe, but give glory to someone much greater than ourselves. As a deacon for many years at a church I'm now planning to leave, I know first-hand how presumed believers and worshipers [and church leaders] can be false shepherds and actually make cynics of former worshipers. Sparing you the gory details, I'm only saying I'm sincerely hoping and praying for healing on the heart of the above fellow. All of us who worship need to remember God loves him no less than he loves the rest of us. On the contrary, he'll seemingly abandon the remainder of the flock just to seek out one lost sheep.

On a colder and more technical note, anyone who follows phenomena such as solar cycles knows that randomness often has no resemblance to order unless you're looking at decades, perhaps scores of annual solar data. I think another fellow ham made this point earlier. From my own perspective, I'm planning on sprucing up my end-fed Zep this spring and hopefully take advantage of this cycle. :-)

Peace.
 
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by KE5JDJ on March 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I guess I might be angry too if I was old and thought my only future was in worm dirt.
 
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by VA7ER on March 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I've been a ham for over 50 years and consider myself a Christian. It used to be that there was an unwritten code in amateur radio that conversations were to avoid three things: Sex, politics and religion. Too bad this important topic of solar activity has been sidetracked into a once taboo subject. If this is the kind of thing is allowed on eHam net I'll be leaving the site. I hope the web master can quickly kill this kind of nonsense.
 
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by KA4NMA on March 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I agree. As a Christian, Pastor, and Conservative, I do think it is time for this thread to end. I believe in free speech and freedom of religion. Remember the Amateur Code? The Atheists over reacted to a comment. The Christians keep on posting. Let's be respectful to each other, even if we disagree with them. No more button pushing.

Randy Ka4nma
 
Remember Popeye the Sailor Man.  
by AI2IA on March 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Understand this: If I want to say, "God bless you," I will say it. If I want to make any ordinary reference to God in my daily conversation or casual writing, I will do it. I am not importuning on atheists by being who I am and saying what I say. If the very way I conduct my ordinary affairs of my life are a scandal to them or you, if you call yourself "religious, or anyone else, well, - tough! Get over it. When I said that God turns the big knobs on the Sun, that was conversational. If some of you want to make a big issue of that, then it is your problem not mine.

This was no "politics, sex, or religion" issue. It was me writing conversationally as I do, and no one is going to tell me how I should speak or write when no harm is intended or done to anyone.

"I am what I am and that's what I am," said Popeye the Sailor Man and that is good enough for me.
 
RE: Remember Popeye the Sailor Man.  
by W8OKX on March 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Ray. Personally, I'm sick and dog-tired of people beginning conversations with "as a Christian and Pastor...", then siding with those who would stifle a simple, general [and true] remark. You did not represent yourself as a member of a particular sect. You didn't offend anyone's particular religion. You provoked no debate. When we're living in a world where John can be proud to marry Steve and Mary can hire a butcher in a white frock to destroy her parent's grandchild, I have to believe, no, I CHOOSE to believe, that your simple recognition of a higher being was perfectly appropriate. And any false witness who represents him or herself as a, "Christian, Pastor, and Conservative", who resents your remarks, well, he or she can go to blazes. There, now KA4NMA peeved off a believer and our sensibilities are no less important than those of presumed atheists. I'll use your own words against YOU, Randy. The Amateur's Code applies to ALL of us, you understand, Randy? ALL OF US.
 
RE: Remember Popeye the Sailor Man.  
by KA4NMA on March 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am not siding with the atheists. What I am saying is we need to return the thread back to the topic of the sun. I have no problem with people saying God Bless. As Christians we are to proclaim the truth with love. As I stated in my earlier post, the atheist over reacted to a statement. They are the ones who started the thread hijack. I did not mean to offend any Christians. Your attack on my does not show Christian love. The Bible says that they will know you are a Christian by the love you show one another. Read 1 John. Christians attacking fellow Christians who disagree with them....

I want to know more about the twin peak of the solar cycle. I have never heard of that before.

Randy ka4nma
 
My honest words are called loyalty.  
by AI2IA on March 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Well now, here we are way down at the bottom of this thread. The topic has been pushed to the edge of oblivion at this point. Soon it will fall off the edge of eHam.com current news, and someone still wants to discuss the idea of twin solar cycle peaks here on this thread?
No, at this point the preponderance of comments down the line shows that the topic has indeed been shifted to that of atheists and their friends wanting to capture discussion of the Sun's behavior exclusively for non-believers. They want to censor everyday expressions that innocently affirm an assumption of belief in God. They want to control and dominate these kind of discussions such as the Sun's behavior. They have no right to achieve their goal. This would be the few putting rings in the noses of the many.

As a believer, everyone knows that I did not set out to make belief in God an issue here. However, also as a believer, my steadfast testimonial to my beliefs is called loyalty.

To the compromise minded, whether clergy or not, I say that I have no duty to allow myself to be denigrated, but I have the duty to affirm and maintain my witness to what I am - a believer. In fact, every sincere believer is conscience bound to do this, because in instances such as these, compromise would be piecemeal surrender.
 
RE: My honest words are called loyalty.  
by W8KMA on March 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Break 19.....
 
RE: My honest words are called loyalty.  
by KE5JDJ on March 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
If the salt has lost it's savour....what good is it?
 
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