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Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting

(GW0HUS) on July 16, 2013
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Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the growing encroachment of the contest mentality that seems to be rearing its ugly head on the WARC bands?

My feeling's are that the once inner sanctum that was free of this encumbrance,(con-testers screeching "YOUR 5-9 QRZ " ) is now starting to invade the GENTLE-PERSON’S bands .

Where one could find out something about the other person, take some time to develop a friendship and arrange possible future skeds, without having your ear’s blasted off your skull as a myriad of like minded wailing banshees suddenly erupt through your headphones trying to attract the attention of the sometimes DX station.

Some of the tricks used are:

1.To get your mate to announce you on the cluster
2. Work split freq like proper DX! (take up 5-20 KC plus your receive frequency ) bound to annoy anyone already in QSO on that freq before they arrived .
3. Not calling CQ CONTEST but announce xzz123up in echo uniform blagh blagh working them like a contest station while still not actually being a contest station.
4. Using dubious amounts of power...400 watts to several KW no doubt...

PLEASE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CONTEST STATIONS KEEP TO ALL THE OTHER BANDS
LEAVE THE LITTLE GUY A CHANCE TO ENJOY HIS HOBBY AS WELL
Leave the linears off, some newly licensed amateurs may have small power restrictions, Poor location and antenna problems and only have access to vertical ant or stealth ones.

Come on guys this is a great hobby, give everyone a chance, yes I have a tower and a 6 element beam NOW...
(Took me 30+ years to get the QTH, tower, planning etc plus new dress for the wife…(Luckily she is also licensed so no problem with the tower just how big...) But I still get a kick out of working xx9 on a wire ant when I thought I was on the beam, we all still make mistakes.

Let it keep being the GENTLE PERSONS BAND, and not hand it over to the Iota, windmills, hillocks, wainrights, and Aunt Beatrice’s cream tea lot or any one else that seeks to make money out of our hobby "GET YOUR AWARD HERE £10 $15 25 euros "

IF the paper chasers want it FINE DO IT ON THE OTHER BANDS.

Graham GW0HUS

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Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W8ARR on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have no problem with contests. It's just not for me. I think that there should be a place for hams that just want to not contest. The wonderful thing about ham radio is that we can all do what we like.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K3TN on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I think you are confusing DXing with Contesting. The vast amount of QSOs that are "TU 5NN 73" are DXers, not contesters. Between Monday and Friday, in fact, pretty much *all* of those contacts are between DXers!

Now, even given all that, personally I've yet to find a time on any of the WARC bands where I couldn't twist the VFO knob and find an empty frequency to make the QSO type of my choice.

73 John K3TN
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AC4RD on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry, but you're wrong as can be. You want to reserve the WARC bands for the handful of old men talking about their medical problems and what gas mileage their RVs get? I'm on the WARC bands often, and even on tiny little 17 meters, there isn't a problem with overcrowding. If you are bothered by a DXpedition or something, turn the big knob--there's still plenty of room for you.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the growing encroachment of the contest mentality that seems to be rearing its ugly head on the WARC bands?"

I think its just you!

It looks like you won't be happy unless the WARC bands are being used in a way that suits you.

And since you mention things like "screeching" and "wailing banshees", one can only assume (which I admit is a very dangerous thing to do!) that you are only upset with this "pseudo-contesting" mentality taking place on the phone portions of the bands.

So try one of the digital modes or (dare I say it?) CW! Or go to 30 meters and I guarantee you that you will not hear one single solitary bit of "bansee wailing" on that band.

How come these complaints about contesting or now, anything that even remotely sounds like a contest (in their opinion) only comes from phone operators?

 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by WA8UEG on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
No contests on any of the WARC bands that I know of. There are a lot of semi rare countries or Dxpeditions that do operate on the WARC bands and a lot of hams that want to work those stations.
I operate several contests each year and I agree that those bands should be contest free but they are so it's a mute point. I do not agree that DXpeditions or rare countries should stay away from operating on the but have to agree that some of the splits they announce are way to wide.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K8QV on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There are contests of some sort every weekend. There needs to be a place where those who don't enjoy the competitive and frantic pace of a contest can go play radio. That haven is still the WARC bands. DX does, and should, operate on all amateur frequencies; it's not casual ragchew conversation, but it not contesting either.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NY7Q on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I hear contesters on warc bands all the time.
Confusion would be eliminated if ops would use CQ dx de xxxx
Isn't that normal???
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by WA8UEG on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
What contest have you heard them involved in on a WARC band??
 
Paranoia  
by AI2IA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe the voices you hear are only in your head.

I am a steady user of WARC bands and I have NEVER yet heard a contest on them.

Of course, if you could copy some advertising material for a WARC band contest and put it in the thread, it would help to advance your opinion.

 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by WA8UEG on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
If a station is working a contest they usually call CQ Contest on Phone, on CW they usually send CQ Test. If a station calls CQ DX it means they are looking for stations that are not in the same country or in Europe a close surrounding country. In the US it means they are looking for QSO's outside of North America. If a station calls CQ de XXX he is looking for anyone who will answer but does not necessarily mean he is looking for a rag chew. Some stations, especially on CW, just send the RST report and 73 and move on. It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K8ALM on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I'm really confused with what Eham allows folks to post as "articles". This one as well as the previous two belong in the forums.

73,
Tony
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by WA8UEG on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Agree 100 percent.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by HA7WX on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Guys.
I understand what K8ALM says and i do agree at some extent, although some things must be said, and this is the place, even if this is not a REAL article in itself.
I am not a contester as /to me/ this is no more than a "59 report factory" (and i find it ridiculous). Where are those casual QSOs? I try from time to time to call with my KX3 12W on 40m. No answers. As if most OMs would only hear 59+ signals.
Contests, at least, keep alive the bands and the hobby itself, that's the only reason i accept it: as lots of OMs won't use their radios other than during contests.

Definitely, I agree totally with the fact that WARC bands must be kept absolutely clean from contesters and those must be left for casual QSOs, for those stations on a budget, for those beginners and for those who are not into contests. RESPECT. Now THAT's what is missing the most, and bands reflect everyday's life.
So come on contest guys, stay away from WARC bands.
Thank you, 73 DX de Christophe HA7WX Budapest.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
NY7Q sez:

"I hear contesters on warc bands all the time."

I am also calling BS on this one.

Either -

a) You don't know what a contest is.
b) Your definition of a contest is different than what most other hams consider to be a contest.
c) You don't know what the WARC bands are. They are 12, 17 and 30 meters... period.
d) You are just flat out lying!

Which one is it?
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KA2LIM on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I just tuned across 17 meters. 1 CW qso,, 1 digital signal and 1 phone qso, which happened to be DX. No contests. I do hear nets ocasionally and I suspect it is because of propagation not being friendly to other bands that might normaly be used.
This is a hobby, different things for different people, ie:(different strokes for different folks) so if what someone else is doing in the hobby really bothers you, it is time to find something else to intrest you.
Ken
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W1CTN on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
As an active contester I know there is not any contesting on the WARC bands, but there is DX'ing and awards/special event chasing.

With the exception of 30m there is not a power limitation so if there is a station running 1.5 kw and bothering you to the point where you can't take it you will have to move.

So all we can do is coexist and hope for the best. Most hams try to get along with neighboring stations and play the game fairly, but some do not...it's the way of the world.

73
Dave
W1CTN
Radio Ansonia
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KX8N on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like some people are confusing a contest with a pileup. When a DX station has 30 stations trying to contact him, the last thing he wants you to do is start talking about how you took your dog to the groomer's this past Tuesday or how your aunt Martha tripped on the frayed edge of the carpet and hurt her back.

And speaking of contests, I don't personally care about the signal report, or even WHAT information is exchanged. For me it's still about "wow, I'm sitting here in southern Ohio and I just talked to someone in Texas with less power than a lightbulb". The thrill of the contact itself isn't lost on the content of the exchange.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AJ4RW on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have yet to hear any contest or worst yet, nets on 17 meters or any WARC band. I'm an avid contester and try to participate in at least one contest per week and I personally wouldn't participate in a contest on any WARC band. I like quick, polite exchanges when contesting and I would think there'd be a big chance in someone responding wanting to ragchew. I still like to ragchew, but not during a contest. Same goes for net-nutting on the WARC bands. This isn't to say it doesn't happen but I'm unaware of it.
73 Randy AJ7G
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N4LQ on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
You are totally correct. DXers and contesters have become a real problem.
In the past, contest were restricted to a certain range of frequencies. Now they totally dominate entire bands. Some, CWT, are showing up during the week days, hopping around the entire band, madly hitting their F keys to send their 5NN 5NN 5NN. It's insane. I see no pleasure in setting in one place while smacking the same key over and over!
DX chasing is fine but working split does eat up a huge portion of a band and it accomplishes nothing. There is nothing new about working around the world. It was done 100 years ago and all they do is send 5NN. What's the point? International good will? Pshaw.

So at lease leave the WARC bands alone. 73
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W2WP on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It amazes me that there are a lot of Extra Class Ops here claiming the hear "Contesters" on WARC bands.

THERE ARE NO CONTESTS ON WARC
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W2WP on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Well maybe a "lot" was a stretch :)
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NU4B on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
At the risk of having rotting tomatoes thrown at me, I must take exception to some of the responses to this guys article.

Those of you who recognize my call know I DX and contest (I may not be very good at either, but its what I do) and spend very little time rag chewing or whatever. To me the CQWW DX contest is my version of heaven. I also work CW only so I have no idea what happens on the phone side of the bands. But I do know what happens on the CW side.

Some of the responses are a bit disingenuous. Here's one way. Is there any contest that uses the WARC bands? No, not that I know of. Is there pseudo contesting? Yes, most definitely!

One of the most popular DX websites used by DX'ers and DX'peditions is Club Log. Although I have been critical of a couple features of Club Log in the DX forum, here I'm trying to explain how it works and how it creates a contest like (pseudo contesting) on the WARC bands. There are many great features of Club Log and I enjoy it a lot.
DX stations set up Club Log and enter their logs on some frequency (daily, every 2 days, etc...) allowing for DX'ers to log check, send off for QSLs, and even keep track of countries worked by band, mode, etc...
A couple of the features are the checkbox system and leaderboards. The checkbox feature when employed by the DX station allows DX'ers to look at the different bands and modes they have worked the DX station using a simple check in a band-mode grid. The leaderboard keeps track of the number of times a Dx'er worked the DX station by listing the Top 100. How do you get to be the number one station on the leaderboard? Work the DX station the most times!
And that includes every band and mode possible on every band possible. (It doesn't matter that there is no DX award that would need require all the Q's these guys make (at least I haven't found it)). We are talking about (at times) 30 to 40+ QSO's per DX'er per DX'pedition.

And - this is important - there is no way to get to the top of the leaderboard without using the WARC bands and working the DX station on every mode on every WARC band made available by the DX station. I have seen suggestions that some DX'peditions are considering issuing awards based on leaderboard results (if it hasn't happened already). In other words - a contest - who can be number one?

All it takes is one spot from a really rare QTH to generate a huge pile up and DX'ers could not give a damn who happens to be in the way (even if its another DX'pedition). Personally I think we, as DX'ers, have become a disgrace as radio ops. And it may have always been that way, but its been amplified in the past several years with instant information, things driving us like the leaderboards, band scanning rigs and accessories, etc... But I digress...

The other disingenuous comments are the ones that claim they just spun the dial and didn't hear anything. Or very little. Well..... c'mon man.... be real. The bands have been, in general, not very good, and even more important there have been no big major DX'peditions. Just wait until this fall and winter! Starting about October if you can't hear anything on the WARC bands I suggest you check out your rigs and/or antennas, because the bands will be screaming!

Am I suggesting DX'ers and DX'peditions not use the WARC bands? No way. All I'm saying is the guy has a point. And the responses (in my opinion) do not deal in reality.

But let me be clear, I don't think an empty band waiting for rag chew use only serves anybody. Bands in use serves everybody. But the DX'er mentality these days needs to be addressed in the worst way. You would think DX'ers would be the cream of the crop in knowing how to help run an efficient operation. But we are at the bottom of the barrel and we have employed features and technology without actually improving our operating skill resulting in a rather abysmal display of radio operation.

 
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by KB4QAA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This topic was wrong headed when it was posted on QRZed last month and it's still wrong.

-One author complains that there isn't enough activity on the bands.
-This author complains there is too much activity.

I've never heard contesting on the WARC bands. The author simply can't tell the difference between a band busy with DX'ing, pile ups for desirable stations and contesting.

Conclusion: You don't own the bands. If one band is too busy for your tastes, spin the dial, change bands and go to a quiet corner.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K4RUM on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
N4LQ: Where did you get the idea that CWT contests take place on the WARC bands???

Here is an excerpt from the The CW Operators' Club's contest rules: Six bands are to be used – 10, 15, 20, 40, 80 and 160m. Not a single WARC band among the six.

For more info on The CW Operators' Club, see http://www.cwops.org.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N4KZ on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, this was silly when it was posted many weeks ago and it's still silly.

A contest is an organized on-air event with rules, a sponsor and often a period ranging from 24 to 48 hours duration.

Such events do not occur on the WARC bands.

You are hearing competitive DX pile-ups. But they are not contests and never have been. And you wanting to call them pseudo contests still does not alter the facts that they are not contests.

I love the WARC bands and work them often and even at their most crowded, they do not rival the QRM found in contests on the other bands.

Please do not post this silliness again. It's getting old.

N4KZ
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by SHORTWIRE on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Well said, Graham!

The emergence of contest psychopathy on the WARC bands is a disgusting development.

The idea that any hobby that USED to be enjoyable MUST be turned into a SPORT is as unpleasent as the bout of Obsessive Compulsive Organizing that usually precedes it.

1. First a nice hobby is invented, to help you relax from a long day's slaving at the job.

2. Then someone decides that this hobby needs Organizing(Thanks Sir Pratchett...)

3. After the original Organizers who Loved The Cause have passed away the Organization passes to new leaders, usually those who Loves The Organization. This is usually the stage where things starts to go down the drain FAST. The IARU and the IOC springs unbiddenly to mind..

4. The some OCD Sports-psychopat decides that this hobby is too nice and relaxing for his tiny mind, and that it needs turning in to a stompingground for the kind of ape descended lifeform for whom competition is everything and No Stress means No Life.

Put all that together with the No-Tech License, and I'm sure you can see where this is heading..

Like the peacefull Fishing Trip that, over time turned into the Put and Take Competition.

Still Ham Radio has got it worse, though, since there The Gentlemen shares The Quarry with The Cowboys, and rubberstamp "QSO's" has got nothing to do with Human Social Interaction..

My contempt for contesters is as great as that for the CW Jehova("You ARE using CW, Aren't You?").

To misquote Mr. Bush:
"You gotta Support The War On Dorks!
--


Yes, I have a Callsign since the Eighties, but you can't have it, since i know the sort of people that frequents this place..
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AH6RR on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe all of you who feel that DX'ers on the WARC bands are a problem should stick to 60M then. There are no contests on the WARC bands but there is many DX'ers and DXpeds there. When ever I call CQ on the WARC bands I get a Pile-up when the bands are open and when you have hundreds of stations calling it becomes a signal report exchange only because I want to work as many as I acn to give them Hawaii.

Roland AH6RR
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AI2IA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It seems that we must always come back to the words of Paul M. Segal, W9EEA, in 1928 in The Amateur's Code:

The Radio Amateur is CONSIDERATE . . . never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.

So, real or imagined bad behavior across the bands can become a non-issue by practicing just one virtue on the air: Being Considerate.

With consideration there is a place for everything and everything in its place.

Now surely there are more interesting topics than this one about the harmless WARC Bands. - Ray Mullin, ai2ia
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NU4B on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
As I said, all I'm saying is this guy has a point.

Much better than this one:

"A contest is an organized on-air event with rules, a sponsor and often a period ranging from 24 to 48 hours duration.

Such events do not occur on the WARC bands"

Please see:

http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/cq_contests/cq_dx_marathon_contest/index_cq_dx_marathon_contest.html

and:

http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/cq_contests/cq_dx_marathon_contest/cq_dx_marathon_contest_rules/2013_cq_dx_marathon_contest_rules.pdf

 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I thought this bullshit ran its course on QRZ. I guess when you're not abused enough you go somewhere for another round of abuse.

In case you want to read some of the vomit that was spewed forth last time.... click here.

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?395866-BACK-DOOR-TO-CONTESTING-17-METERS-who-is-to-blame

But, to reiterate a point that should be very obvious:

There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
There is no contesting on the WARC bands.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by SHORTWIRE on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@NY7Q

You are displaying exactly the attitude of a contest psychopat.
Thanks for proving the point..

Trying to differentiate between the behaviour of contesters and agressive DX hunters is like differentiating between Burglers And Muggers, quite pointless, unless you are a provider of Home Security.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
So Shortstack, what time is the colostomy net?

You do realize that there have been contests around since the 1920s...you know, when everyone had to take a code test in order to get a license.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KB9UWU on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Breaker breaker SHORTWAVE, maybe you should shoot your skip elsewhere.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NU4B on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
To AI2IA:
The Radio Amateur is CONSIDERATE . . . never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.

So, real or imagined bad behavior across the bands can become a non-issue by practicing just one virtue on the air: Being Considerate."

Thank You!

I'm outta here, the conversation has seemes to have gone to the gutter.

Good DX'ing!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Hams who spend time working contests would do better to treat their XYL to a nice experience at a spa and beauty salon, then take her out to a nice romantic dinner for two. Guys, it is a hobby, just a hobby, get to know your wife and grandkids more and spend less time in contests.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KB3LIX on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Best to go buy a BIG box of Q-Tips
and CLEAN the CRAP outta your ears.

You are HEARING things that do not exist !

I have never heard any kind of contesting on any
of the WASC bands, and don't expect to.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W0DLR on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have never heard any contesting on the WARC bands, but then I would have never thought years ago I would hear what I hear on 14.313 either.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KF4HR on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for bringing this up Graham. I agree 100%. I would imagine some contesters are chompin' at the bit to take over the WARC bands too. But let me expand upon your comment, "LEAVE THE LITTLE GUY A CHANCE TO ENJOY HIS HOBBY AS WELL."

Truth is, when taking into account the total number of ham's world wide, contester's make up the minority. Unfortunately due to the aggressive nature of contesting (in general) the activity tends to take over the majority of the popular bands, wiping out most other communications; nets, rag chewing, experimentation, etc, and I doubt an emergency call (granted, as rare as they may be) would ever be heard during a contest. Of course this is not new news.

If there were only 2 or 3 contests a year I don't think it would bother anyone, but there seems to be a contest, a state party, or some micro-qso-counting event nearly every weekend. Not a greatest thing for the non-contester that works for a living.

Like a lot of ham's when I hear the mindless endless string of "5-9, QRZ Contest" madness I either turn to the WARC bands or turn the gear off altogether, and also research when the contest will end so I can turn my gear back on again.

Personally I'm an advocate for "Contesting sub-bands", contesting only within certain band segments, and on all bands, so everyone, yes even those that wish to talk about their RV's, medical issues, or whatever else, can enjoy the hobby too, and yes every weekend.

Also I'd like to see contests concentrated more toward bands and modes that really need more activity such as ATV, 6 meters, 33cm and higher frequency bands, EME, etc, and less contesting on HF. Why not get away from candy store Plug & Play HF gear and take on real contest challenges?

It really is high time the ARRL and other similar international organizations step forward and start making some contest rule changes before there ends up being no place for the non-contester to turn their Big Knob to.
 
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by AF3Y on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
As long as you guys keep feeding the troll, he will continue to post his garbage, and the net nutters, roid pushers and other assorted gripers will climb up and support him. No reply to his crap is the best reply.
 
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by WD9IDV on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Hello Graham,

I understand your point and you are right.
100 percent agree with you. Unfortunately, there are many morons...."cross that out", I mean "hams" who believe that the 59 and QRZ is the way to go. Keep that crap on 20M. 17M is turning into the 59 and good bye crowd. 17M and 12M use yo be a great rag chew band. It still has some of those qualities, but it is changing.
Thank god the contesters can not get their hands on the WARC band....yet.

Robert
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am going to make a leap here and guess that the "contest haters" are referring to phone contests since this notion of "too many contests" rarely, if ever, comes after CW or digital contests.

So let's see just how many multi-band 48 hour phone contests there are from the two major contest sponsors...

ARRL:

1) International Phone Contest - March 2-3, 2013
2) IARU HF World Championship - July 13-14. Well this one isn't an ARRL sponsored contest, but they are our IARU representative.
3) November Sweepstakes - Phone - November 16-18

CQ Magazine:

1) CQ WW WPX / SSB - March 30-31
2) CQ WW DX / SSB - October 26-27

That's it - FIVE MULTI-BAND 48 HOUR PHONE CONTESTS! With 52 weekends in a year, that leaves 47 weekends when there are no major multi-band phone contests! That is less than 10% of the available weekends where there is a major multi-band 48 hour contest which leaves you over 90% of the remaining available weekends and this isn't enough for you?

We are over halfway through the year and with the exception of Field Day, there have only been THREE multi-band 48 hour phone contests this year.

Yes, there are other major multi-band 48 hour contests, but they are on other modes. Yes, there is some sort of organized on-air activity every weekend, but nothing comes close to those 5 biggies.

As far as giving the "little guys" a chance... I have been using no more than 100 watts and a vertical for over 20 years. I have DXCC (the real DXCC, not the one from eQSL!) and WAS, both with additional endorsements so don't whine to me about how unfair life is for the "little guys". There are plenty of others out there that are members of DXCC and WAS all earned using QRP.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K5FM on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
While there is no actual contesting on the WARC bands, during almost every phone contest I have heard someone calling CQ contest on 17 meters. These are obviously just operators that have made a band change and in the heat of the moment did not notice they were on the wrong band. These incidents my be leading some people to believe there is actual contesting taking place on the WARC bands.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G7MRV on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
LEAVE THE LITTLE GUY A CHANCE TO ENJOY HIS HOBBY AS WELL

Let it keep being the GENTLE PERSONS BAND, and not hand it over to the Iota, windmills, hillocks, wainrights, and Aunt Beatrice’s cream tea lot or any one else that seeks to make money out of our hobby "GET YOUR AWARD HERE £10 $15 25 euros "

Graham, perhaps you ought to get involved in some of these 'money making' activities?

I do SOTA. I make no money from it, its always a net loss. I spend the day dragging antennas and radios up mountains, and once there, I use the WARC bands because they are quiet. If I get lots of callers, then I will bat them out at a rate of knots in precisely the way you dont like, why? because im on battery power, I dont have time to chat, and im often cold, wet and exposed. And I AM the 'little guy' enjoying his hobby. I have no tower, no beam,

I also run special event stations. If busy, I will go to '59 QRZ' style contacts, do you then want NO special events?

As for this 'Gentle Persons Band' idea - rubbish. These bands provide great DX, often in only a short window of opertunity. Its the people who call me, on the mountainside running on battery, or at a SES with lots of callers, and procede to tell me every damn detail of THEIR station, THEIR weather and THEIR ailments that take the fun out of my activity.

This isnt 'pseudo-contesting' its making the best use of the opertunity and providing the best chance for the DX/SES etc to be worked by as many people as possible
 
30m Pseudo Contesting  
by W7ASA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Yes - you are not the only one who has seen this 'pseudo contesting' at least that has been my increasing experience on 30m, a band that I enjoy very much.

As an example: I'll be enjoying a nice chat with a another ham at about 10110-10115'ish when suddenly, a couple of dozen stations will pounce, pounding out their calls and 59, trying to collect paper from some other station 5,6 - 10 KHz down who evidently showed-up on a DXcluster. These guys show no concern at all that they are deliberately interfering with a conversation already in progress on the split TX freq they are using. All too many hams have no regard for common courtesy, especially when there is paper collecting involved.

What A Shame,

de Ray
W7ASA ..._ ._





 
RE: 30m Pseudo Contesting  
by AA4PB on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The problem is DXers, not Contesters and there is no legal prohibition against working DX on 30M.

 
RE: 30m Pseudo Contesting  
by W7ASA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Dxing is fine and fun as long as we're not intentionally QRMing others to do it.

Also, the gent who posted his thoughts used the phrase "pseudo contesting", rather clearly understand what we all know, that actual contests are not allowed.

Best that we use some good manners, listen before transmitting and all share the bands. That's rather simple.


Time to go. Sked time ---


73 de Ray
W7ASA ..._ ._
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K1FPV on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There may not be contests on the WARC Bands, but there sure are a heck of a lot of rude certificate hunters, Country hunters, many rude state hunters etc.

On the non-WARC bands, there is some kind of contest nearly every weekend. In the 50 years I've been a ham, the mannerisms practiced today sure have gone downhill from years gone by!

K1FPV
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This weekend features the following contests:

VK/Trans-Tasman Contest, Multi-Mode
DMC RTTY Contest
Feld Hell Sprint
North American QSO Party, RTTY
CQ Worldwide VHF Contest
RSGB Low Power Contest
Run for the Bacon QRP Contest

Lets us know how the DMC RTTY contest affects your colostomy net. Or the RSGB Low Power contest.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This weekend features the following contests:

VK/Trans-Tasman Contest, Multi-Mode
DMC RTTY Contest
Feld Hell Sprint
North American QSO Party, RTTY
CQ Worldwide VHF Contest
RSGB Low Power Contest
Run for the Bacon QRP Contest

Lets us know how the DMC RTTY contest affects your colostomy net. Or the RSGB Low Power contest.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K4AX on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Upgrade your rig to one that has a VFO on it. I bet you can sell the old one channel radio you have now and get something for it. Then you can spin the dial away from the rare DX stations and the pileup above them.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W5AK on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I was totally offended when the FOC guys thought they could run an "activity" on 30 Meters. Everyone knows they are a contest group and this was just a way to circumvent the "no contest rules"on 30 Meters. Is there another group of hams in the entire World that violates the 30 Meter understanding on contesting? And, I am not talking about digital operators who occupy very little space. I don't think so in about 30 years of 30 Meter operating. Dick W5AK
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AI2IA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
AMATEUR RADIO IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF.

All problems are solved by turning the Big Knob.

This topic, if it was a topic, has been beaten to death.

Isn't time now to get back on the air?
 
NN3W - President, Potomac Valley Radio Club Says:  
by W7ASA on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
NN3W says: "Lets us know how the DMC RTTY contest affects your colostomy net."

---

Tell you what: If & When cancer/colostomy enters YOUR life (and I do not wish that on anyone) I do hope that you will remember your childish comments about colostomy &etc. My guess is that you'll experience some regret about your loose tongue.

Next time, wouldn't you rather frame actual constructive thoughts into reasonable words to express your opinion, instead of simply trying to insult those you believe might be older than you, and yes might have serious health problems?



de Ray
W7ASA ..._ ._


 
RE: NN3W - President, Potomac Valley Radio Club Says:  
by NN3W on July 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Would you rather I use the term prostate?
 
RE: NN3W - President, Potomac Valley Radio Club Says:  
by AA4N on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
SCRREEEEEECH! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED! 599 QRZ! SCRREEEEEEEEECH!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KG8JF on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I encountered a VE3 station operating like a contest. I contacted him and he vociferously said he was not a contest station. He sounded just like a contest station to me. If it looks like a duck..........
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KG8JF sez: "I encountered a VE3 station operating like a contest."

Please define your terms, "like a contest".

Did the VE3 station actually call "CQ CONTEST" or somehow indicate that he was in some sort of competitive event?

Did the VE3 station exchange a sequential serial number or some other piece of information that might only used in a contest?

OK, so let's turn the coin over...

Suppose there is some DX station on the WARC bands that you would really like to put in your log, but instead of quick hit contacts, he engages in a rag chew with each and every station he contacts. Instead of a 5 second contact, it stretches out to 5 minutes or more. How long are you willing to wait while he tells every station what kind of radio he is using and how many watts he is running, what kind of antenna he is using, how long he has been a ham, and so on?
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KT4EP on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I haven't noticed this, Graham. But then again, I spend most of my time on the digital modes, at the bottom of the bands. I have heard some operators stepping on others, trying to "get that contact", but unfortunately that's common on all the bands.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The simple gist of this thread is that someone doesn't like any type of ham radio communication that doesn't involve pour your heart out and telling your life story on the WARC bands.

Apparently any QSO that is less than 5 minutes in duration is of the "pseudo contest" variety and is, therefore, verboten.

This of course is silly. Ham radio is many things to many people. DXing is one of the most popular pursuits in amateur radio and has been since the time of Marconi.

So, grow a skin and realize that there are amateurs that have interests other than yours.

Need a friend? Get a dog.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
OK, with that being said...

Is there an issue with these "mini-pileups" on the bands (not just the WARC bands)?

Yes.

But the one thing I don't understand about these pileups is how many of them are with "common" DX stations. I have heard the cacophony to which the author of the article refers on the bands, but I am amazed at how many of them are for stations in places like Western Europe.

I know that working DX can be exciting, especially for a newcomer, but England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain... c'mon. These are like shooting fish in a barrel!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
For a lot of hams, the WARC bands are actually a new experience - even with them being around for upwards of 30 years now.

I first started using 17 meters in 2005 or 2006 and everything to a DXer is new at one point.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K8QV on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<<England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain... c'mon. These are like shooting fish in a barrel!>>>

Not if you're mobile or QRP!!!

Anyway, you kids get off my lawn!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AA4PB on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The easiest way to shoot fish in a barrel is with a big gun. That way you don't have to be such an accurate shot.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<<Not if you're mobile or QRP!!!>>>

For the most part, fixed stations (notice that I did not say "base stations!) that use triple digit power (or more!) have an advantage over QRP or mobile stations.

Furthermore...

One of the quickest ways to attract the attention of a DX station is to add /QRP or /mobile after your call.

And...

Stations running under these operating conditions are generally not at all shy about using /QRP or /mobile after their call for just that reason.

However...

I have not heard these stations who are attempting to break the pileup use either of these suffixes.

For the most part, these stations appear to be ver anxious to make contact with these "rare" Western European stations and not at all interested in any personal information about the operator, his gear, his family or anything else.

 
RE: NN3W - President, Potomac Valley Radio Club Says:  
by JOHNZ on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@W7ASA
Look at everything here as entertaining. Take nothing here seriously. I was a ham in the 1950s, when we were definitely a serious hobby. That is no longer true in 2013. Who cares if someone makes a funny remark about a colostomy, maybe he is actually laughing at himself?
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W5GNB on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
ALL Contesting should be RESTRICTED to only a FEW frequencies Above 23-GIGAHERTZ.... And NOWHERE ELSE ###
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent idea. That way we can listen to crickets chirp.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
BTW, could you be consistent in your rant?

You mentioned earlier that you want contesting restricted to above 30 GHz. Now you say 23 GHz.

So, which one is it? 7 GHz is a lot of spectrum.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KB9TMP on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Personally I have heard "A" contester on the WARC bands. Don't remember if it was 17 or 12 but it was just one single guy and yes he was lost. Needless to say the only answer he got was someone informing him that he couldn't contest on the WARC band and he realized his error and moved on. Problem solved.

I don't contest, but I think they are good things. Like one of my friends says about contests, "10 meters is never open until a contest starts then it miraculously opens up". Same thing can be said about a lot of the bands. 8^)
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KB9TMP on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Personally I have heard "A" contester on the WARC bands. Don't remember if it was 17 or 12 but it was just one single guy and yes he was lost. Needless to say the only answer he got was someone informing him that he couldn't contest on the WARC band and he realized his error and moved on. Problem solved.

I don't contest, but I think they are good things. Like one of my friends says about contests, "10 meters is never open until a contest starts then it miraculously opens up". Same thing can be said about a lot of the bands. 8^)
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K1TWH on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Graham, I think I understand the sentiment, but the WARC bands are on everyones bandswitch now, and many antennas cover WARC as well. In the beginning we had an opportunity to see just how far a few watts and a random wire could communicate. Those days have went by the wayside, and I am now back to using whatever band is open best. The WARC (aside from 30M PSK/Olivia) now represent a small fraction of my QSO's because the bands are small and tend to be crowded (or closed in the case of 12M). Still, I did enjoy it when it wasn't as accessible, simply because it was less crowded, and stations generally were running similar power to my 100 watt station. Remember "nothing is constant, change is".
Tom Howey WB1FPA
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NY7Q on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
b.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N9AOP on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It is what it is. The major contests are held on the weekends and even if they were to pollute the WARC bands you could always tie one on for a couple of days and come back on Monday thru Friday when things are normalized. Doing this could also lower your blood pressure.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KF4HR on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
ALL Contesting should be RESTRICTED to only a FEW frequencies Above 23-GIGAHERTZ.... And NOWHERE ELSE ###

Wow, wouldn't that be nice. Problem is, that would be a real challenge.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W6CAW on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
We need more people on the bands so us old retired people will have someone to talk to while we are waiting for our medical appointments.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by STRAIGHTKEY on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
>To get your mate to announce you on the cluster

By "mate", do you mean XYL or someone else on the ship? I don't think either one knows what a cluster is.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by STRAIGHTKEY on July 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think Pseudo Contesting is a problem on WARC bands. Pseudo articles on eHam on the other hand is quite a problem. Keep eHam free of pseudo articles.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N7KFD on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I like contesting, in fact I would be in favor of removing the "no contesting on the warc bands" rule. Why shouldn't contesters be able to use every and all bands to enjoy the hobby the way they like to? Contesters get a bad rap, it seems like they are the ones who get blamed for all of the problems on the air. I disagree, contesters have better operating skills than anyone else on the air. They may not be having 30 minute conversations but they have skills and should be allowed to use those skills wherever they want.

I have no affiliation with nor have I ever participated in a contest.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KA2DDX on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
(yawn)
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G3RZP on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I get the impression that the complaint here is about DX stations, and especially DXpeditions, running split and working people as fast as possible.

If that wasn't allowed on 30, 17 and 12, I doubt that there would be very much DX to be worked at all on those bands. What would be the point for those foreign ops whose command of English isn't enough (even on CW with all its abbreviations) to ragchew? Back in the 50s and 60s, the standard QSO with Russian and East Europeans was limited report, name, QTH and 73 - even on CW. Plus if there's a name, QTH etc every time, the band would have faded out before some people got through.

The problem for the big contests is number of people. CQWW SSB can see 30,000 different callsigns active. Now if 30,000 ops came aon and wanted to ragchew, it would be bedlam, but would those who are against contests criticise them for operating?
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I meet and talk with contesters in my area at club meetings, hamfests, etc. Virtually all of them have way too much time on their hands and collect monthly welfare checks.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
LOL..

That's why they have a million dollars to blow on towers, right?

Having been to Dayton several times, I can tell where the contesters are and where the other hams are. Hanging out with the "other" hams often leads one to wonder how humanity continues to exist.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K1CJS on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Just a couple of comments here. First, I too think you're confusing DXers with contesters. Hey, if you don't want to listen to them--just wait a few seconds and they'll be done and gone--unless they're working a pileup. Looking from the other prospective, it is sad, in a way, that people have nothing to talk about anymore.

>>>I'm really confused with what Eham allows folks to post as "articles". This one as well as the previous two belong in the forums.<<<

With this comment, I have to agree. It seems that the serious article writers seem to have disappeared.
 
Keep the eHam Free from Pseudo Articles  
by NN4RH on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
They should rename this section of the forum farm "Articles" to "Trolls"


 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K7BAL on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
w0w! I never knew guys would take this so seriously... I myself do not presume to own any part of the spectrum. Yes it's a hobby. When there is DX I'll shoot as much as I can. When I get tired of that I may rag chew...

If I don't like what's happening on the bands I shut it off (rarely) I love it all. I have a simple station and run a raggedy 40 meter horizontal loop up 25 ft or so... I have no problems operating. If it gets rough I turn on my little Sugar Baker 200 and try again. I seldom work CW so I'm talking about SSB Phone and AM Phone. Yes, I spent 25 years on 11 meters, and wrote my Novice ticket in 1991. Even before becoming a ham I loved SSB and working DX on 12 watts pep. Now I'm a General class op and have a modest amount of equipment and find plenty of room to operate and enjoy the hobby. It's just a hobby folks. Relax and enjoy and drop those expectations that it's all going to be the way YOU think it should.

Regarding the big contest guys. I admire their prowess of operating procedure, handling as much traffic as possible in as short a time as possible. I listen to them handle traffic many of them in a humorous way. As soon as I hear someone complaining about their lumbago or whatever ailment it really turns me off Lol. That's when I spin the dial.

In the words of an old radio operator I knew way back when, "Quit cryin' and start buyin'" Find another spot. You'll be happer for it.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K7BAL on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
w0w! I never knew guys would take this so seriously... I myself do not presume to own any part of the spectrum. Yes it's a hobby. When there is DX I'll shoot as much as I can. When I get tired of that I may rag chew...

If I don't like what's happening on the bands I shut it off (rarely) I love it all. I have a simple station and run a raggedy 40 meter horizontal loop up 25 ft or so... I have no problems operating. If it gets rough I turn on my little Sugar Baker 200 and try again. I seldom work CW so I'm talking about SSB Phone and AM Phone. Yes, I spent 25 years on 11 meters, and wrote my Novice ticket in 1991. Even before becoming a ham I loved SSB and working DX on 12 watts pep. Now I'm a General class op and have a modest amount of equipment and find plenty of room to operate and enjoy the hobby. It's just a hobby folks. Relax and enjoy and drop those expectations that it's all going to be the way YOU think it should.

Regarding the big contest guys. I admire their prowess of operating procedure, handling as much traffic as possible in as short a time as possible. I listen to them handle traffic many of them in a humorous way. As soon as I hear someone complaining about their lumbago or whatever ailment it really turns me off Lol. That's when I spin the dial.

In the words of an old radio operator I knew way back when, "Quit cryin' and start buyin'" Find another spot. You'll be happer for it.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by XW1B on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I'm one of those "599 QRZ" guys everyone keeps talking about. Why? I have no choice. Trying to have a normal Qso is impossible due to the constant calling of others.
I, like everyone else, have just so much time per day to alot to Ham Radio so I try to hand out as many Qso's as possible.
Do I work split? Absolutely! ( 1-2KHz up )
Do I work the WARC bands? Of course!

This is NOT contesting by any definition.

If you want me to stay off the WARC bands please contact ARRL, and all the other organizations, and tell them to get rid of all their Single Band Awards ( DXCC, etc ). That, in itself, will dry up a lot of the activity.

In the meantime, come contest weekends, you'll usually find me enjoying the relative peace & solitude of the WARC bands. I'm the one sending "599 TU UP UP!"

Enjoy the hobby! Bruce XW4XR - 3W3B
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by STRAIGHTKEY on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
>>I meet and talk with contesters in my area at club meetings, hamfests, etc. Virtually all of them have way too much time on their hands and collect monthly welfare checks.

>That's why they have a million dollars to blow on towers, right?

You don't watch Fox News apparently. Everyone on welfare drives Bentleys and live in mansions. hi hi
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W4KVW on July 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have not heard any Contest stations on the WARC BANDS but I hear Field Day Stations on the WARC BANDS every year.This year included.I agree that the WARC BANDS do not need ANY Contesting.I work many DXpeditions on the WARC BANDS & that's not an issue for me.

Clayton
W4KVW
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by AF3Y on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Having been to Dayton several times, I can tell where the contesters are and where the other hams are. Hanging out with the "other" hams often leads one to wonder how humanity continues to exist."

Hey!! I saw some of those "Others" when I ventured out to the Field Day thingy.... Hats worn backward, belts full of HTs.... Most driving pickem up trucks with gun racks full of whatever in the back window.
One of them looked at my Alpha hat and asked me what that "symbol" stood for. Good Lord, what/where/when did the hobby????? WELL, you know what I......
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K0YQ on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Never feed a troll.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W5NM on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
You fellows that think there are no Contests on the WARC bands must not be very active, because I have heard several on 30M and 17M... I could not believe
my ears, but there they were.
Don't forget there are hams and ham organizations all
over the world, and some of them do just as they please
whenever they please.
Personally, I am appalled at the number of contests.
I work for a living and can only operate for a small window of time in the evenings, (during the week) and
everytime I want to operate, (on the weekends) there is a contest which completely overwhelms all the non Warc bands and prevents me from operating. When I got into Ham Radio 45 years ago, it was a much calmer, nicer, quieter,comfortable and personable amateur world.
I think the ARRL should take the lead in, 1st recognizing the quantity and voracity of all contests, whether by foreign organizations or Stateside organizations. 2nd, an effort should be made to make a reasonable amount of weekends free of contests for all the people who like to carry on a conversation. If you want to be fair, then let's be fair and give everyone
a chance to operate.

Ham Radio Forever

Carmine Scappaticci W5NM
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W3WN on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
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There are no contests on the WARC bands.
There are no contests on the WARC bands.

There are active DX'ers on the WARC bands.
There are rude operators on the WARC bands.
There are people who work split on the WARC bands.

But...
There are no contests on the WARC bands.

Constantly claiming that there are does not make it so.

Misunderstanding or mislabeling DX'ers and/or DXpeditions as contesters does not somehow magically place contests on the WARC bands.

Calling DX'ers "Pseudo Contesters" is an attempt to smear operators with a vague allegation that they are somehow doing something "wrong".

There is no such thing as a "Pseudo Contester"

There are no contests on the WARC bands.

Getting told this multiple times on the QRZ.COM forums clearly hasn't worked. Now this dreck is being dredged up over here.

The bands, all of the bands, are shared resources that all amateurs share at all times.

Propagation can shift, or someone can make a mistake and accidentally step on someone else. And yes, some operators are just rude and could care less about others. These are amongst the many reasons that there is inadvertent (and occasionally deliberate) interference.

Not all amateurs operate the same way. If you don't like the way someone else is operating, there is still plenty of spectrum to avoid them.

Calling them names or insulting them in multiple forum posts across the Internet is not a solution.

And besides...
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
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There are no contests on the WARC bands.
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There are no contests on the WARC bands.
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
There are no contests on the WARC bands.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@AF3Y
What you saw is the results of years of exam fraud, ole boys making new hams, all of them fresh off 27 mHz, and all of them bringing their bad habits with them. Back when there was still a code requirement one of the biggest exam fraud comments was, "Oh I threw away my Morse key the day after I passed the code test." Yeah, right, as if they ever learned the code in the first place.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by WD9IDV on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
W3WN can you read? He talks about the "contest mentality", he does not say there is contesting on the WARC bands.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K2RJK on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I recall reading many years ago when I became licensed, that when the WARC band's were created, there was by a "gentleman's agreement" that there would be NO CONTESTING OR NETS on the WARC bands.

First let me clear up front, I have no problem with special event stations on 17m. I have not heard any contest stations on 17m. What I do have problem with is NETS. I liked 17m because it was like what I remember 30+ years ago about ham radio a lot of rag chewer's on the bands and very few NETS.

I spend a lot of time on 17m, listening while I'm working in the basement here, what I do hear is several NETS on 17m. Apparently they are not "gentlemen", since they ignore the "agreement".

I came to 17m to get AWAY from NETS, contests and the hello 59 goodbye mentality. If you want to run/work a NET then go back to 20, 40, or 75 with the rest of them, keep off 17 it's already busy enough with the 59 hello goodbye folks.

I have heard and worked several special event stations on 17, Mickey Hicks (sk) WO6T/W6S, and some of the Rt66 stations that I would have not been able to get on the other bands because of the QRM from adjacent freqs from the NETS and the 59 hello goodbye folks.

That's my 2 cents worth, my views may not be in agreement with other's, but that is what makes the world go round.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"gentleman" and "ham radio operator" is an oxymoron.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W3WN on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
WD9IDV:

Who's "he"?

Because there are people responding to this thread who ARE saying that there IS contesting on the WARC bands.

Surely you noticed that in all of the replies... you did read them yourself, didn't you?
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W3WN on July 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
To address the original post...

Graham, I'm sorry that you feel that your use of the WARC bands is infringed on by the operating habits of other users.

With all due respect... get over it.

There are no contests on the WARC bands. By so-called "gentlemen's agreement" though, not by law, rules, or regulations. Technically, that could change at any time -- although I for one would NOT support it and would NOT operate in a contest that did so.

There are DX and DXpeditions on the WARC bands. Some work "split". Some work "rapid fire" short contacts, which is what I THINK you mean by "contest style." Nothing you say here, or on the other forums where you have posted this complaint ad infinitum ad nauseum, will change that.

There are nets on the WARC bands. Not many, but some. Again, there is no laws, rules, or regulations against it. You may not care for the operating styles of many nets... and yes, the bands are narrow. You're just going to have to do what the rest of us do: Deal with it.

I do not know where you've gotten the notion that the WARC bands are "gentlemens" bands. I'm not even sure what you mean by that. The only band that I know of that at one time was referred to that way was 160, back in the days of limited access, limited power, and sharing the band with LORAN radionavigation beacons. Those days are long gone.

But outside of the self-imposed (by the contest sponsors of most if not all major contests) restriction to keep organized scheduled radio-sport... ie contests... off the WARC bands, I know of no other Amateur Radio activity that is prohibited.

So with all due respect, in the immortal words of the original Ann Landers: Wake Up & Smell The Coffee.

The bands are used by many around the world. Not all of them operate as you do. That doesn't make you right & them wrong -- or them right and you wrong. It DOES mean that sometimes you have to adjust your operating due to the other users on the band.

Adjust your operating accordingly.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G3RZP on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
W3WN,

Nice reply!
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by KO3D on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
How is this an "article?"
Does anyone edit "articles?"
Why do I bother to read the "articles?"
Why do I come to this website?
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<<I spend a lot of time on 17m, listening while I'm working in the basement here, what I do hear is several NETS on 17m.>>>

How much time is "a lot of time"?

Since you are working in the basement, are you saying that leave your radio on one frequency and on that frequency you hear "several" nets?

Or do you take breaks from your work and go to your radio and tune across the band where you run across several different nets on different frequencies?

And exactly how many is "several"?

Are these nets daily nets? Weekly nets?

What time of day are those nets?

How long are the nets?

What is the main topic or theme of those nets?

What organization or entity is running those nets?

Unless you quanitfy the number and supply specific information about these nets, making a blanket statement about there being "several" nets is meaningless.

This is just like NY7Q's assertion, "I hear contesters on warc bands all the time." Since I called BS on that statement, NY7Q has yet to respond or defend his comment.

And now I am calling BS on your comment and am interested in hearing your response.

 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by F8WBD on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have observed that some contest supporters (not all) will often observe that the ability to transmit a 1, 2, or 3-digit number is proof of the training benefits of contesting. Quite absurd. Early wireless operators had more to transmit than that. Imagine sending an SOS at sea with your ship's position in latitude and longitude degrees plus condition of passengers and crew. And, the rest. That "training" argument is just foolish.

Contests serve no purpose other than as a means of acquiring new wallpaper.

Let's be frank about the matter. Contests will predominate weekend radio traffic despite their silliness. Nothing to worry or fret over.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G3RZP on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Many contesters are far more technical than some of the Extra Class licensees asking questions on eham.net. They need to be to build their stations.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@G3RZP
How does continually screaming "your're 59, 59, 59, good luck in the contest" make someone technically proficient?
For that matter, the U.S. Extra Class license WAS a very significant technical accomplishment a few decades ago when one had to pass the written & Morse exam before a government examiner. However, in 2013, with exam fraud rampant, the Extra Class license is a meaningless accomplishment and can be obtained simply by having your good ole boy friends sign the papers for you. Or, if you must take the exam, all it requires is memorizing the answers to 20 simple questions and spewing them back on the "exam."
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<<However, in 2013, with exam fraud rampant, the Extra Class license is a meaningless accomplishment and can be obtained simply by having your good ole boy friends sign the papers for you.>>>

If this is happening, why is it not being reported?

<<<Or, if you must take the exam, all it requires is memorizing the answers to 20 simple questions and spewing them back on the "exam." >>>

The Amateur Extra written exam has never been 20 questions. Since the elimination of new Novice and Advanced tests, the Amateur Extra test is 50 questions.

Do you even know what you are talking about????

 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N7KFD on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ -

The code requirement is gone, get over it!

N7KFD
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N7KFD
Errr, yes, precisely the point I made. And YOUR point is?
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G6NJR on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Yes keep those darn contests away .

Infact keep conetsts to 20 meters and below would be a great idea ..
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G6NJR on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ N0IU on July 16, 2013

Maybe you had best get your radio looked at then there is hardly ever a weekend goes by with out finding some contest clogging up the bands .
And they DO stray onto the WARC bands ..
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ G6NJR

<<<And they DO stray onto the WARC bands ..>>>

Name ONE contest that you have heard on 12, 17 or 30 meters. Be sure to include the name of the contest, the band, the mode, the date, the time, the exchange and the callsigns of those stations you heard contesting.

Remember, a contest is an event with a published set of rules so be sure to include those rules in your response or at least a link to the contest sponsor's website where the rules can be found.

My guess is that we don't hear from G6NJR again!


 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"How does continually screaming "your're 59, 59, 59, good luck in the contest" make someone technically proficient? "

Take a look at the following photos and let me know if it took a little skill to construct it...

http://sm2wmv.shacknet.nu/~micke/images/n3hbx/n3hbx-2.jpg

http://sm2wmv.shacknet.nu/~micke/images/n3hbx/n3hbx-4.jpg

 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
>>>Maybe you had best get your radio looked at then there is hardly ever a weekend goes by with out finding some contest clogging up the bands.<<<

So what contest is clogging up the bands this weekend?

I turned the radio on and heard 10 to 20 KHz swaths of 40 and 20 meters that were VACANT.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<<So what contest is clogging up the bands this weekend?>>>

I have been having a blast with the NA RTTY QSO Party! I hope it isn't interfering with G6NJR's phone QSOs on 17 meters!
 
MENTALITY  
by WB9QEL on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the growing encroachment of the contest mentality that seems to be rearing its ugly head on the WARC bands?

__________________________________

The man submitted an article and e-Ham decided to put it up on their website. Above is his first sentence of the article. The title was about Pseudo Contesting, and in his first sentence mentions Contest Mentality.

If you listen around on any band, you will see the contest mentality. What I mean by that is disrespect.

Yes I know contests are only for certain bands and times. The contest mentality seems to be everywhere all the time.

Why would anyone have a problem with a contest if everyone in the contest operated respectfully?

Just look at some of the posts in response to this article. Hate filled and disrespectful.

Same folks your going to talk to on the air.

I just like to have fun with this Hobby and make friends. What I learned along time ago, it starts with me and it's all about respect.

It is what it is, you all do what you have to do.

God Bless!!

W9ZXT






 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 20, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
He's getting the replies as he has posted the same noxious topic with virtually identical comments on a different forum (QRZ).

Having gotten the range and abuse there, he decides to spread the noxious stench here - in an article forum.

#1 Why post the same trip when it has been fully vetted once?
#2 Why post it in an "article" forum when its an opinion piece?
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G3RZP on July 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
>"How does continually screaming "your're 59, 59, 59, good luck in the contest" make someone technically proficient? " <

You've never read any of the articles in NCJ, then? Not every month, admittedly, but many of a higher standard than QST. Plus a 'multi tx, multi operator' station takes some severe engineering if mutual interference is to be avoided.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Hello Peter! Hope to see you at Dayton again soon. Nothing like pitchers of margaritas at Carmines!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Because, after all, I have to find some way to spend my welfare check.

LOL....
 
RE: MENTALITY  
by N0IU on July 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ W9ZXT
<<<Just look at some of the posts in response to this article. Hate filled and disrespectful.>>>

Yes, I agree that there are some very passionate responses within this "article" that take one side or the other. No, not pro-contesting and anti-contesting, but rather those those who respond with facts and those who make wild unsubstantiated claims.

@ N7YQ <<<I hear contesters on warc bands all the time.>>>

All the time???

@ N4LQ <<<DXers and contesters have become a real problem. Now they totally dominate entire bands.>>>

Dominate entire bands???

@ SHORTWIRE <<<The some OCD Sports-psychopat decides that this hobby is too nice and relaxing for his tiny mind, and that it needs turning in to a stompingground for the kind of ape descended lifeform for whom competition is everything and No Stress means No Life.>>>

His entire post is probably the most hate-filled and disrespectful post in this "article"... and he is on the author's side!

@ KF4HR <<<It really is high time the ARRL and other similar international organizations step forward and start making some contest rule changes before there ends up being no place for the non-contester to turn their Big Knob to.>>>

Contest haters love blaming the ARRL for contesting problems. There are no ARRL sponsored contests that take place on the WARC bands so why should they be the ones who are responsible for making rules changes?

@ W5NM <<<...everytime I want to operate, (on the weekends) there is a contest which completely overwhelms all the non Warc bands and prevents me from operating.>>>

Every time? Completely overwhelms?

@ JOHNZ <<<"gentleman" and "ham radio operator" is an oxymoron.>>>

More "hate speech" from someone on the author's side.

And now your comment...

<<<The contest mentality seems to be everywhere all the time.>>>

Everywhere? All the time?

This would imply that all one has to do is turn on their radio to any random frequency at any time of the day or night and they will hear cacophonous screeching of this so-called "contest mentality" going on.

I am not saying that it does not happen at all, but when you say that it happens everywhere all the time, this statement, along with the others, is just... BS!
 
RE: MENTALITY  
by NN3W on July 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
http://hornucopia.com/contestcal/weeklycont.php

As of right now, there is not a single contest anywhere in the SSB portion of the HF bands. There is a QRP contest right now, but I don't think that will affect anyone.

So, tell me how crowded and jammed up the bands are.
 
RE: MENTALITY  
by JOHNZ on July 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The best humor has its roots in the truth, which is why SHORTWIRE's comment is so hilarious. You're 59 59 59 good luck in the contest.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by G0AYD on July 22, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KEEP THE WARC BANDS FREE FROM CONTESTS PLEASE.

THE OTHER BANDS HAVE ALL THESE ALLOCATIONS FOR CONTESTING....

WHY OH WHY INFRINGE ON THE 3 WARC BANDS....

LATELY IT SEEMS THIS IS APPEARING MORE FREQUENTLY

QRZ NUMBER 599 73 QRZ ..

DAVE G0AYD..
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 22, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Can you show me a single contest that has WARC bands in the rules?

I'm not talking DXCC or WAZ as those are not contests.

Actual contests with actual scorekeeping, log checking, and winners.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 22, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ NN3W - You're just wasting your (electronic) breath. He can't do it any more than N7YQ, N4LQ, W5NM and W9ZXT. I am still waiting for them to answer the same question!
 
RELAX  
by WB9QEL on July 22, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It is what it is, if you all want to make a difference get on the air and make a difference.

Goodbye.

 
RE: RELAX  
by KD8MJR on July 22, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Even if someone was an idiot or confused and did do some contesting on WARC bands I have not yet seen a contest that allows those points to count so it would be for naught.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by W3WN on July 23, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"KEEP THE WARC BANDS FREE FROM CONTESTS PLEASE.

THE OTHER BANDS HAVE ALL THESE ALLOCATIONS FOR CONTESTING....

WHY OH WHY INFRINGE ON THE 3 WARC BANDS....

LATELY IT SEEMS THIS IS APPEARING MORE FREQUENTLY

QRZ NUMBER 599 73 QRZ ..

DAVE G0AYD.. "
* sigh *

With all due respect to G0AYD, it is because of posts like THIS that this entire thread will not go away.

There ARE NO CONTESTS on the WARC bands.

There ARE DX'ers and DXpeditions on the WARC bands. They have AS MUCH RIGHT to operate there as anyone else, so long as they follow the laws of the country that issued their license.

If you don't care for DX'ing, and DXpeditions running split, and DX'ers who are making a lot of short contacts... fine. You are welcome to your opinions.

But this is NOT contesting, and this is NOT a "contest mentality" or "pseudo-contesting", whatever-the-heck that is.

Mislabeling this to smear contesters is pointless, and only makes the person repeating this nonsense sound foolish.

Look: I get it. You don't want to share the bands with people who don't operate the way you do. You don't want to share the band with those whose idea of operating is short verifications, who want to work DX, who want to earn DXCC or WAS or IOTA or SOTA or 10-10 (on 10 meters) or 12-12 (on 12 meters) etc etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.

In short: You don't want to share the bands.

Tough. They're not for you only. Get over it already.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 23, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@W3WN
That's quite a vent! Take it from someone's whose been around this hobby since the 1950s, you are taking this hobby far too seriously. Spend more time with your family.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by NN3W on July 23, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Ron's not the one who is complaining. Its other hams who feel that certain operating styles should and should not be present on a given piece of the amateur allocation.

Who is taking this too seriously????
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N2MWE on July 23, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Way back when I had a very nice ninety minute plus QSO with a British station on 17 meters. It made my long drive go by very quickly. While contesting may be efficient use of spectrum, there are still plenty of hams who like to basically sit back an rag chew. I see no reason for contesting on the WARC bands. There is plenty of room elsewhere.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by STRAIGHTKEY on July 24, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Is it OK to say 73s on WARC bands?
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by V73NS on July 24, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
DX'ing and DXPedition pileup's - yes, naturally and to be expected.

You heard Contesting on WARC bands? Total BS.

When I don't want to deal with the contests I am found on WARC bands.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by N0IU on July 24, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ STRAIGHTKEY
<<<Is it OK to say 73s on WARC bands?>>>

Only if you want to embarass yourself!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 24, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey
We'll let you say 73zzzzz, as long as you avoid ending every transmission with "QSL." Along those lines, I was reprimanded by a brand new ham recently for referring to my first personal as a "handle." Ham radio has come full circle, right is wrong and wrong is right. QSL? Watch somebody take this entire post out of context.
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by STRAIGHTKEY on July 25, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
>Only if you want to embarass yourself!

It can't be any more embarrassing than the guys on 80 meter phone at night.
 
RE: MENTALITY  
by AA4GA on July 25, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
W9ZXT: "If you listen around on any band, you will see the contest mentality. What I mean by that is disrespect"

That may be what you mean, but as a contest operator for over 35 years I will say that you are wrong. The "contest mentality" is simply to be competitive by achieving maximum operator and station efficiency. If you don't realize this, then you don't understand contesting at all. The competition may be international in scope, or simply internal - such as to just better one's previous performance.

There is never any time, weekday or weekend, where one cannot escape contesting activity if that is their desire. Never. Usually, it is simply a matter of changing modes. There are a very few major contests that have activity on both phone and CW at the same time. In those instances, a QSY to the "WARC" bands will escape the contests.

If you are so inflexible in your operating habits that you can't tolerate this, well, you need to expand your horizons a bit. IMO.

I operate almost exclusively CW. Occasionally, there is an RTTY contest that pretty much obliterates the CW bands - instead of complaining, I'll use the big knob on my radio to change frequencies and continue to operate in peace.

I can't believe I allowed myself to get sucked in to this "discussion".

Stop whining.
 
SUCKED IN  
by WB9QEL on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
by AA4GA on July 25, 2013

W9ZXT: "If you listen around on any band, you will see the contest mentality. What I mean by that is disrespect"

That may be what you mean, but as a contest operator for over 35 years I will say that you are wrong. The "contest mentality" is simply to be competitive by achieving maximum operator and station efficiency. If you don't realize this, then you don't understand contesting at all. The competition may be international in scope, or simply internal - such as to just better one's previous performance.

There is never any time, weekday or weekend, where one cannot escape contesting activity if that is their desire. Never. Usually, it is simply a matter of changing modes. There are a very few major contests that have activity on both phone and CW at the same time. In those instances, a QSY to the "WARC" bands will escape the contests.

If you are so inflexible in your operating habits that you can't tolerate this, well, you need to expand your horizons a bit. IMO.

I operate almost exclusively CW. Occasionally, there is an RTTY contest that pretty much obliterates the CW bands - instead of complaining, I'll use the big knob on my radio to change frequencies and continue to operate in peace.

I can't believe I allowed myself to get sucked in to this "discussion".

Stop whining.


_____________________________________________


Sir, all of us allow ourselves to be sucked into these forums from time to time. It doesn't mean it's bad, we all have our opinions and some express them here.

Have a good weekend and relax, it's just a Hobby.

God Bless!!





 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K4TIN on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This is a reasonable request--politely made.
I believe there's room for contesters and casual operating. I do both.
We're (US) restricted to 100 watts on 30--a good thing.
73!
 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by JOHNZ on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@K4TIN
"Reasonable" and "polite" are in very short supply in the amateur radio of 2013.
 
REASONABLE AND POLITE  
by WB9QEL on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

by K4TIN on July 27, 2013
This is a reasonable request--politely made.
I believe there's room for contesters and casual operating. I do both.
We're (US) restricted to 100 watts on 30--a good thing.
73!


by JOHNZ on July 28, 2013
@K4TIN
"Reasonable" and "polite" are in very short supply in the amateur radio of 2013.

______________________________________

THIS IS W9ZXT



Reasonable and Polite ARE in very short supply in amateur radio of 2013. The motivation for me to get my ticket when I was a kid in the early 80's was to get away from the CB mentality. They were not reasonable OR polite.

Look at the posts in response to what I posted above, get on the Air and listen.

Reasonable and Polite ARE in very short supply in amateur radio of 2013.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by VA4SR on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Great responses...

...read the behaviour

...after 30 years as a clinician I have yet to meet a bully who could care less about those whom they bullied...

 
RE: Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by WB9QEL on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

VA4SR on July 29, 2013

Great responses...

...read the behaviour

...after 30 years as a clinician I have yet to meet a bully who could care less about those whom they bullied...

________________________________

THIS IS W9ZXT

I thank you Sir, you made me think. Behaviour is a response to stimuli.
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by VE3EGA on August 4, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Graham,

As an ex-G call myself, I think I know where you are probably coming from with your complaint!

Unfortunately, what you hear in G-Land is for the most part 'very different' from what we hear in North America on the WARC Bands. You are part of the EU and therefore now subject to an upsurge of ham activity (and QRM) from previously ham-restricted Countries. Admittedly, there are always 'enthusiastic amateurs' anxious to make up for lost time!!!

Your complaints (or observations on operating practices) should probably be directed to the IARU through the RSGB, if indeed you are experiencing mis-use of the WARC Bands by your EU Cousins???

Someone already mentioned that you may be confusing DX Station activities (maybe even list building and split operation) for pseudo-contests? That unfortunately, is the name of the game and its a big, bad World out there!

I frequent WARC bands myself but quite honestly, I have never noticed 'too persisten't DX operators - mostly, I guess as the WARC Bands tend to 'go to sleep' after sunset on our Continent - and Weekends are too valuable to spend looking for QRM!

Graham, rather than get frustrated about it, jump down on to 160 or 80m - or even try some Tropo on 4m or 6m!

I'm not really set up for contesting (fact I hate contests) but I ALWAYS find a niche on some band that I can still enjoy the hobby!

Good luck my friend and try not to throw too many Welsh-lamb-legs to the 'Wolves' on eHam, lol

hwyl fawr, gweld chi yn nes ymlaen

73

Terry, VE3EGA (ex-G4EGA)



 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K1XT on August 8, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
What's with all the caps in this article?
 
Keep the WARC Bands Free from Pseudo Contesting  
by K0CSS on September 1, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
My vote is No contesting on any and all of the WARC bands
kocss
 
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