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QSLing

Robert Mitilieri (N9EF) on July 26, 2013
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I know that there have been a number of articles about QSLing. I also know that there are readers that don't want to read yet another article about QSLing, but I've been a ham for over 40 years and this is the first time I've decided I need to get on a soapbox. To the gentlemen who don't want to read another QSL article I would say, just change the channel. There are many excellent articles in eHam that aren't about QSLing. Please read some of those so I don't ruin your day.

...steps up on soapbox...

I was reading posts in a forum yesterday and noticed that a fellow mentioned he wasn't a member of the ARRL and didn't use LOTW. That's fine with me. I know that there are hams that don't wish to be members of the ARRL and I respect their decision. I also respect the decision not to use LOTW for whatever reason you have. The gentleman said he wasn't interested in LOTW because he wasn't chasing any awards sponsored by the ARRL. Still ok. I decided to look up the ham on QRZ and noticed that he also didn't use paper QSLs. He only used eQSL.

Like I mentioned above, I've been a ham for over 40 years. Personally I've always loved sending and receiving paper QSLs. However, the reality is that, with postage and printing costs always rising, sending QSL cards can become quite a financial burden. This is especially true if you're in a QTH where you're the only ham (or so it seems at times!) When I send a paper QSL I include an SASE with my QSL even for US contacts. Most hams (about 85%) use the SASE to send me their card. A few (about 4%) return my SASE unused with their card in another envelope stating that it's not needed. There's a minority (about 10%) who never send a card. Then there's a very small group (the remaining 1%) that return my QSL in my SASE with a note saying that they don't QSL. Not that they don't use QSL cards, they just don't QSL, period.

I looked up the calls of some of the "don't QSL" group and found that many had WAS, DXCC and usually a few (or many) other awards. I was wondering how they managed to earn those awards if they didn't QSL. The answer is that they DO QSL, but only when it benefits them. Now that they've obtained the awards they want they don't need to send a QSL to some kid in a neighboring state. Yeah, but how's that kid ever going to earn WAS? Even worse, imagine that you were that new ham's first QSO and you just crushed their enthusiasm by not confirming their first contact.

Here's the bottom line... You don't want to joint the ARRL, don't join. You'll get no criticism from me and shouldn't get it from anyone else. You don't want to send paper QSLs, for any reason, that's your decision and I will respect that as well. However, saying that you only eQSL because you're not interested in any awards that don't accept eQSLs, or that you don't QSL at all, is downright selfish. What about the many hams who do want those awards that don't accept eQSL?

You don't need to be a member of the ARRL to use LOTW and it doesn't cost anything. Since you're writing all those posts that I'm reading my guess is that you have, or have easy access to, a computer and the Internet. You may already have your log on a computer. If so sending your contacts to LOTW is just a few keystrokes away.

Let's remember the enthusiasm we had when we first obtained our license, made our first contact, got our first QSL, and earned our first award (mine was RCC); and do everything we can to nurture that enthusiasm in new hams by thinking more about them and less about ourselves.

...steps down from soapbox...

Tnx & 73, Robert -- N9EF

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QSLing  
by KD8MJR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
As an LoTW member and a DXer who's not a big fan of eQSL I agree with most of what you have said, but on one particular issue you say that many LoTW users have no interest in eQSL, that then begs the question why should eQSL members have an interest in using LoTW?

I know my reason for chasing DXCC and that's simply because it has history and peer respect from most Hams while eQSL is still struggling to obtain that status.
That's my reason but I can see were many people might not care or agree with my personal reason.

Robert
KD8MJR
 
QSLing  
by AG2AA on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
kind of just the opposite, I find eQSL much easier than LoTW. I send and receive paper QSL cards as well, even use the bureau for incoming! I have even used GlobalQSL for some outgoing DX cards with a pretty fair return rate. I know, crazy, right?
 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<<Yeah, but how's that kid ever going to earn WAS?>>>

If earning an operating award was easy, it would be pretty meaningless. You earn an award by making lots and lots and lots of contacts. For most of us, it takes several years to earn those awards.

<<<I find eQSL much easier than LoTW.>>>

All my award chasing is through LoTW. I do send all my conacts to eQSL, but only as a courtesy to those who use it since I am not the least bit interested in any of their awards. If sending contacts to eQSL wasn't done automatically through my logging program, I doubt I would even take the time to use it.

As far as LoTW being hard to use, this has been beaten to death in another recently posted "article", but here we go again...

Yes, it is not as easy to set up as eQSL because of the numerous (but not difficult!) steps, but with a good logging program, sending contacts to LoTW is almost as quick and painless as eQSL. I use HRD and all I have to do is select the entry or entries in my log and click the option to upload it to LoTW. The whole process only takes a few seconds.
 
QSLing  
by KA2BKG on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Robert,

I guess I fit the comment: "There's a minority (about 10%) who never send a card." OK that is me. One reason is cost. How cheap can I be? With four kids and all the costs associated with it cost is a big deal! I have written in QRZ.COM "PSE NO QSL" in two places, but still I get SASE envelopes looking for my QSL card? I don't have any cards to send out? I have even gotten $1.00 in the mail requesting my QSL card? Still do not have a card to send out! I have even received nasty E-mails asking why haven't I returned their QSL card? Sorry, still no QSL Cards!

Currently not a member of the ARRL (remember the cost thing above). I have logged into EQSL and have downloaded (not opened) LOTW. I currently only maintain QRZ.Com Log Book. I only have one entry from 2005 which I have not confirmed. Seems like Hams are dumping there logs electronically there, with general, not always correct information. I have about 30% rate of return for confirmed QSO of the QSO that are sent to me? About 1 % return on the ones I send out? Lets not talk about the bureau. That is another cost thing.

When I started I had some really inexpensive cards made up by someone in the graphics arts industry for free. The cost of a stamp was $0.13. The cost of mail was within reach. I have also moved over 9 times since I got my ticket. Think about the cost of changing the mailing address on the cards each time you move.

Each of us are in this hobby for different reasons. I enjoy operating CW and getting involved in contests. I don't have WAS or any other awards from the ARRL, that I can recall? I am very active in the hobby and enjoy it but feel that some always have a reason to complain.

I responded here because QSL'ing should be voluntary. Sure everyone likes to get cards, but you shouldn't be mad at someone because you do not get a return card! How do you think I feel when I receive a card asking me to respond in kind? I especially do not like the nasty E-mails. Maybe someday the cost will not be a factor, but I can tell you now it is.

Jeffrey
KA2BKG
 
QSLing  
by NU4B on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I find the "its got so expensive" argument to be false. Printing costs have fallen in the 30+ years since I got my license.
For $70 you can get 1000 full color cards delivered to your door. That wasn't possible back when I started, not even close.

In 1978 the price of a first class stamp was 15˘. That equates to 54˘ today (according to usinflationcalculator.com). The actual price is 46˘.

In 1978 the price of an airmail stamp was 31˘. That equates to $1.11 today. Today's global stamp is $1.10. (I'm not sure of the actual international rates as back then there were different rates for different parts of the world.)

I do believe DX stations and some domestic stations do get swamped by an increasing number of DXers. But managers are readily available. Before the internet there was a cost to send paper logs to a manager. Today it costs nothing to attach the log to an email and send it to a manager.
And the time involved is much less, if one chooses to print the QSO info on labels or on the card itself versus manually filling out a card.

I have seen a couple stations (especially contest stations) indicating they won't send a QSL card anymore. To me this just tells me they want all the fun, but don't want to do anything for anybody else. In these cases I keep a list and I won't work them in a contest.

I also know sometimes DXers abuse the system by requesting cards from the same station several times for QSOs on the same band and mode. (And I have been guilty when operating at different power levels. I have since corrected that habit.) This is a case where I agree sending QSL cards for multiple QSO's of the same band and mode is wasting the DX station's time and resources and a limit should be set.

With the internet and places like QRZ.com it is easy to spell out a station's QSL policy. I think that if a requesting station sends an SASE or SAE with return postage, the least a station can do is keep some basic QSL cards on hand to respond to those that request one.

The vast majority of us at one time (or still) collect cards for enjoyment or awards. For the most part those that refuse to QSL have since decided they couldn't be bothered anymore and have since forgotten the thrill of receiving them. And rather than do something for the fellow amateurs they have decided they are too important. Its part of the me, me, me world we have created. If it doesn't benefit me, I'm not interested.
You really can't make me believe that after spending thousands and sometimes tens of thousands on a station, its too expensive to send a QSL card. I can believe there are those that couldn't give a damn about anyone else.

In any case for me no QSL = no QSO. Get your points somewhere else. Most likely I don't need your card anyway, but there are probably new hams and new DXers out there that do. If I do need your card, why would I waste my time with a station that doesn't QSL when I can spend my time looking for one that does.

Now, I need to go mail some cards. (Even a lowly QRP station gets QSL requests. haha)

The soapbox is now available!
 
QSLing  
by WK4DS on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I selectively QSL these days, I once sent 100%, but it is costly and VERY time consuming. I wanted to be on the air and the clerical aspect of 100% QSL got to be quite burdensome. I now send out QSL cards to everybody that sends me one and then I will throw out the occasional card to a contact that was interesting on the air for this reason or that. I have given up on the bureau all together so if a HAM cant be QSLed at home, I wont send one anymore. QSLing is a personal thing to me and the Bureau takes that away.

I agree though, it should be voluntary. I remember my version of WAS. I have all 50 cards in an envelope and it was fun collecting them, Rhode Island was the last one for me and it was the hardest, but I didnt get mad if I didnt get a card, I just asked the next HAM from that state for a card until I got one.

To each his own I guess, good conversation. See you one the air,

WK4DS
David Saylors
73
 
RE: QSLing  
by K0IZ on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I just have to respond to the "too costly" comment.

First, LOTW doesn't cost anything.
Second, if someone sends a SASE, the only cost is that of a paper QSL card. Those are cheap. Give me a break. Is 5 or 10 cents going to break the bank? Now if you are running a DXpedition with thousands and thousands of QSO's, even the cost of cards add up.

US Hams are not exactly rare on the air. So if a QSL card, and SASE, is sent, there probably is a rather good reason: new ham, new WAS, QRP operation, rare county. For the typical US ham I suspect that the number QSL requests is well less than a hundred in a year. So, 100 x 10 cents = $10. TOO EXPENSIVE?

Postage too expensive? Yes, it does add up. So only respond if SASE is provided.

I think the real reason for no QSL is someone doesn't want to be bothered. What a shame.
 
QSLing  
by W8EIR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
When I got my license 1988 I would send a card for every contact I made. Fast forward 25 years, I use LoTW and eQSL and will QSL if I receive a card in the mail or if the contact quests a paper QSL card.

I use LoTW and eQSl to benefit those that are award chasers. Both are extreme easy use, and take just a few seconds to upload the .adi files.

This whole argument about eQSL vs LoTW is the same argument about no-code hams vs coded hams. Some hams look down on those that are no-codes and some hams look down on those that use eQSL and or LoTW instead of sending out paper QSL's.

There will be Luddites in any hobby, and Amateur Radio has it's share of them. Do what is best for you.
 
QSLing  
by W8EIR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
When I got my license 1988 I would send a card for every contact I made. Fast forward 25 years, I use LoTW and eQSL and will QSL if I receive a card in the mail or if the contact quests a paper QSL card.

I use LoTW and eQSl to benefit those that are award chasers. Both are extreme easy use, and take just a few seconds to upload the .adi files.

This whole argument about QSL the old way vs LoTW vs eQSL is the same argument about no-code hams vs coded hams. Some hams look down on those that are no-codes and some hams look down on those that use eQSL and or LoTW instead of sending out paper QSL's.

There will be Luddites in any hobby, and Amateur Radio has it's share of them. Do what is best for you.
 
QSLing  
by W8EIR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Ugh sorry about the double post :-(
 
QSLing  
by KJ6SBW on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
As a newcomer to Amateur Radio (2011) my stack of QSL cards is VERY small. I haven't yet designed and purchased my own QSL cards. For the few occasions where someone has sent me a QSL I have a card that I can print using my color printer and photo paper. I then fill out the card and mail it.

I haven't found this to be a burden as I don't get that many requests for cards. I use eQSL where possible as I feel that it's much quicker and offers me the chance to print an card from someone else on photo paper w/o any cost except for the box of paper.

I can truthfully say that I appreciate the cards that I've received and always try to respond in kind. I consider the act of QSL'ing a courtesy, but I don't insist. I've experienced a few contacts who choose to not QSL and I respect that choice. It doesn't effect my next QSO with them in the slightest.

73's
Mike
KJ6SBW
 
QSLing  
by KB2DHG on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
One of my most loved things about HAM radio is QSL'ing.

More than having the confirmed contact I love showing visitors to my shack the wonderful colorful cards from all over the world and even the space shuttle and station. The QSL card has actually enticed some of these visitors to get involved in ham radio!
If you tag me on QRZ you will see that I will happily send my QSL direct to anyone who ask. I am proud of my QSL collection and even the XYL loves to look at them which is proudly displayed on the walls of my shack...

As far as price of postage I too will add a stamp for return postage but unfortunately even doing this has yielded no returns from time to time :-(...

To me QSLing is a time honerd perk and benefit of this great hobby and I hope that the readers who opt not to QSL will reconsider and take part in this part of the hobby...
 
RE: QSLing  
by KF4HR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with NU4B. Factoring in inflation, paper QSL'ing is approximately the same cost as it was decades ago. And of course VIA THE BURO has always been an inexpensive, albeit slow, QSL exchange method.

Each to their own of course but I prefer and enjoy exchanging paper QSL's.

Just my opinions of course but if I were to start using the internet to exchange LOTW information, I might as well just sell my ham gear, buy a USB PC headset and do all my communicating via Skype or a Smart Phone.

Granted technology moves on but there are certain original aspects of the amateur hobby I hope doesn't disappear. Many years from now I will still enjoy looking at my paper QSL collection, stamps, etc. I doubt I'd feel the same way about a LOTW file. Again, just my .02.

 
QSLing  
by K2DFC on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I've been in the hobby 46 years. I always liked receiving QSL's. To me it's like opening a present at Christmas. It's part of Ham Radio. Yes the cost of mail has gone up. But anyone who can afford radios, antennas, and all the accessories that go with it can afford a few QSL cards.

K2DFC
 
RE: QSLing  
by KB2FCV on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I'll always respond to any QSL received. For new DXCC entities I always try to get a paper QSL. I'll QSL direct / OQRS for those. For any other DX contact (band fills, etc), I will go via the bureau if they state they use the bureau (or if they don't state anything at all). I usually send out bureau cards once or twice a year.

I'm just starting to collect cards for WAS. I have a few states left. Some states I just can't get a QSL out despite SASE, etc.

I do use LoTW but I input all my stuff manually. I don't use any logging software, I'm 100% paper lot, so I only LoTW the stuff I need. I'm considering entering all my stateside QSO's and see what pops back. When I applied for my initial DXCC last year I started with LoTW to see how many I had. I think it came up with 150 something entities. The next 100+ had to go with the online entry / chard checker. I always put the new ones into LoTW as some use it so I don't need to bother with using the card checker... although I'll still get the card for a new one. I do have one entity I have unable to successfully get a paper QSL out of but I do have a LoTW confirmation (Pakistan). All the others have QSL's to back up the LoTW. I enjoy looking at the QSL's. Friends / family like to look through them on the nickel tour of the shack.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Well said, Robert.

And Jeffery, if someone sends you an SASE, you don't even have to send back a "card." Although, as noted, if you have a computer and printer, there are templates on the web for designing and printing your own as needed. However, you can even hand-write a confirmation on scrap paper, put it in the SASE and hike down to the mailbox and return it. Not only is it the right thing to do but it can also be good exercise.

Hey, I love getting QSLs in all forms...personalized, full-color cards that tell me about the op, his location, his shack, his job...LoTW confirms when an entry in my N3FJP logging software turns red and my country/county/grid square/IOTA/state/QSO totals increment up one...and even eQSL "cards," ugly and generic as they may be.

It's something that seems to be lacking in a lot of areas these days, not just in amateur radio and QSLing. It's called common courtesy.

Don N4KC
WWW.N4KC.COM
WWW.DONKEITH.COM
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)

 
RE: QSLing  
by W7KKK on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I collected QSL cards In the 1970s as a novice but I no longer collect or contest myself.
I do know that many do however so I do use both LoTW and eQSL for those that like those services.
I will also reply to any card sent to me with my printed card.
I don't charge for postage and consider it just part of the hobby to return a card to someone.
 
RE: QSLing  
by KX8N on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I'm surprised by how flippant some people can be regarding the cost of cards. Someone said you can buy cards for around $70. If you happen to be on a fixed income, $70 can be 10% of your income for a month. Even if that's not the case, if you are raising kids, that costs A LOT as far as food, clothing, school supplies, anything else they need, and then college after that. Sometimes amateur radio can't be at the top of a person's priority list.
 
QSLing  
by K4EZD on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have only been active on ham radio for about two and a half years but have kept an accurate log of every QSO. I upload regularly to both LoTW and to eQSL and out of almost 2700 QSOs I have about 900 QSLs from LoTW and about 1400 from eQSL. I appreciate every QSL I receive in any form but prefer eQSL because it is almost immediate, automatic (with the HRD logging software), and some of the cards are actually very attractive and interesting. There is no immediate reinforcement from the LoTW QSLs and certainly no visual “card”. And I think it is great that CQ magazine accepts combinations of LoTW and eQSL for some of their awards!

Vince
K4EZD
 
QSLing  
by K5EH on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Another reason for QSLing. A ham friend of mine recently passed, and I am helping the family with removal of antennas, etc. On the wall in his shack were quite a number of QSL cards he had enjoyed collecting and displaying over the years. His kids didn't know what to do with them! I suggested to his daughter to save them to show the grand kids what their grandpa enjoyed doing with his "ham radio". She began reminiscing about her dad's days on the radio when she was a kid, and with a small tear in her eye, thanked me for the suggestion and began packing them up.

 
QSLing  
by K5EH on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Another reason for QSLing. A ham friend of mine recently passed, and I am helping the family with removal of antennas, etc. On the wall in his shack were quite a number of QSL cards he had enjoyed collecting and displaying over the years. His kids didn't know what to do with them! I suggested to his daughter to save them to show the grand kids what their grandpa enjoyed doing with his "ham radio". She began reminiscing about her dad's days on the radio when she was a kid, and with a small tear in her eye, thanked me for the suggestion and began packing them up.

 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KX8N:
I wasn't being flippant. I was pointing out that the cost of printing QSL cards has dropped in the past 30 years (not increased as the article said and used by many as a reason not to QSL (though not by the author)), mainly due to the ability of international printers' ability to produce and ship them economically.

How is that flippant?

I also pointed out the $70 was for full color cards. Later I said all that was necessary was some basic cards.

Everybody's life circumstances are different and many times changes, including my own. If somebody absolutely can't afford to have QSL cards printed up (or can afford it, but couldn't be bothered), all that is necessary is to purchase a station stamp, stamp the incoming card as verified, and return it.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N6AJR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
you don't even need to return your QSL card, if you dont have any,



you can write "comfirmed " add your call and sign it and send their autographed card back in their sase.



no card needed.




surely you can afford the time to sign your name.





 
RE: QSLing  
by N6AJR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
you don't even need to return your QSL card, if you dont have any,



you can write "comfirmed " add your call and sign it and send their autographed card back in their sase.



no card needed.




surely you can afford the time to sign your name.





 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Do I have to send a QSL card if I make a contact during a pseudo-contest?
 
RE: QSLing  
by WK4DS on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This has never occurred to me... I just sent hem one of mine if I get one. I thought that is what was the gentleman's agreement said in unspoken terms. That does make it simple if you are pressed for time or your out of cards or something like that.

Good call,

David
WK4DS
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Do I have to send a QSL card if I make a contact during a pseudo-contest?"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH...! :)
 
QSLing  
by AE5ZE on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am a new ham, 12/2010. I QSL 100%, use LOTW, Eqsl as a convience, and use the bureau. I enjoy receiving the cards. Each to their own, but a card just might be what sparks a new ham to continue with the hobby.
 
QSLing  
by K8QV on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I could have several pieces of paper attesting to my prowess as a radio operator, but I don't care about that so I never applied for DXCC, WAS, etc. What I do have is lots of real QSL cards, and I will gladly send one of mine to anyone I work who asks for one.

The argument that real QSLs are too expensive is a specious one, as already laid out in another comment. A card that has been in the hands of the other op and signed by him has meaning and beauty to me. Personally, I derive no satisfaction from an Internet confirmation, but apparently it's a cheap path to the award mills. Those who avoid real QSL cards are missing something, I think.
 
It will always be the final courtesy.  
by AI2IA on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I had signed up for eQSL especially to send electronic QSL cards to hams outside the U.S.A. It saves postage and time. For those in the States, unless requested not to do it, I prefer to send a paper QSL card with a SASE.

With contest results, I usually don't send a card, simply because most contesters are more interested in numbers than cards and that is understandable, but if there is some unusual thing about a contester's call sign or location, then I do send one.

I will always send a card if requested. In fact one time I had a request from a ham in a Central American country for my QSL card even though we had never made a contact. He explained that the colors and the card were really special to him, so I sent him a card with the data lined out and some words to the effect that it was a sample only.

The point I want to make is this: If sending your QSL card will make someone somewhere a little happier when he receives it, then sending it is a small price to pay to show someone that you care.

It will always be the final courtesy.
 
RE: It will always be the final courtesy.  
by N0IU on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ AI2IA
<<<With contest results, I usually don't send a card, simply because most contesters are more interested in numbers than cards and that is understandable...>>>

This couldn't be further from the truth. Well, OK, maybe contesters are not interested in paper QSL cards, but they are very interested in getting credit for the contacts.

Very few people enter a contest with the hopes of actually winning. Most people enter to surpass a personal goal or get them further along towards an operating award... which is my personal objective. If it wasn't for contests, the spaces on my wall where my DXCC and WAS awards are (both with endorsements) would be empty. As soon as a contest is over, my logs go immediately to LoTW.
 
RE: QSLing  
by W8ARR on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Dear fellow ham - you suggest that cards are available for 70 dollars. I am a disabled veteran and I live on disability. 70 dollars is a lot of money for me. I'm trying to budget 10 dollars to get some low cost black & white cards or get some blank post cards from the post office and sharpie's and draw my own when requested. Hey if you want to buy me some nice full color ones I would be more than happy to accept them.
73
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Dear fellow ham - you suggest that cards are available for 70 dollars. I am a disabled veteran and I live on disability. 70 dollars is a lot of money for me. I'm trying to budget 10 dollars to get some low cost black & white cards or get some blank post cards from the post office and sharpie's and draw my own when requested. Hey if you want to buy me some nice full color ones I would be more than happy to accept them.
73 "

You missed the point entirely. It had nothing to do with what you or I should spend on QSL cards. The point was 30+ years ago 1000 full color QSL cards would cost much more than today's $70. I made no suggestion on what anyone should or should not spend. In fact I and others have posted that even a station stamp or signing the sender's card as a verified QSO works.

By the way I have received some really neat home-made cards and home printed cards and store bought post cards. These types of QSL cards are only limited by one's imagination.

So attempting to throw the $70 back in my face won't work with me. I have gone through tough times also. If I work a new one (or if somebody needs my QSL) I don't care if its a full color card or the most basic of QSL's that they send.
 
QSLing  
by N7KFD on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!



I think they should bring back the code requirement.


 
Contesters and QSL Cards  
by AI2IA on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
To N0IU and others who share his needs and/or viewpoint:

It is always my intention to provide my QSL card. electronic or paper, to any contact who wants one. I never turn down a valid request for one.

However, after participating in a contest I never receive more than one or maybe two requests for my card from others.
I take that to mean that they don't need it or don't want it. Over the years, I have been the first one to send a card and request one in turn more than 95% of the time. Very seldom do I get a request for a card first or at all.

While I do care about every person behind a contact, I don't believe that I am neglecting anyone, because at any point in time, even years later and I have received a few requests like that, I am ready and willing to send out a card at my expense after checking my log.

I will never refuse a valid request for my QSL card.
 
QSLing  
by AF3Y on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
If you cant afford cards, do as someone noted above. Just use a scrap of paper with the QSO info on it, sign it and send it along. OR..... as also noted, sign/confirm the info on the card you received and send it back.
Is it REALLY that hard to REALLY complete the QSO? Sounds like a few lazy ass hams posted their excuses here.

Gene AF3Y
 
Cheap QSLs  
by AA1UY on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
To the ham who said he can't afford QSL cards and that he moves address a lot, here's the perfect solution.

http://rffun.com/catalog/hamacc/1116.html

100 QSL Cards for $4.95 and you either write-in or stick-on a label with your name and address.

If you just mail the card (sans envelope), the postage is quite a bit cheaper than a first class stamp.
 
RE: QSLing  
by K8QV on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Let's see, about a hundred dollars for some cards and postage to last the year, probably longer. Printing and mailing cards is not like buying a boat, car, or even a new HT or orange vest. It's a choice, and you may spend the lousy $2 a week on McDonald's coffee, a hot dog, half a pack of smokes, breath mints, flashlight batteries, or a candy bar. It's a choice, not an insurmountable expense.
 
QSLing  
by KA2BKG on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Everyone,

I knew that I would get some responses. Putting yourself in someone else's shoes and saying $70.00 is not a lot of money! Also, assuming someone has a printer (which may cost as low as $30.00 at Target) to print anything and justifying cost of yesteryear to today, with calculated inflation rate, it's a bargain today is being very presumptuous. I love it! I have gotten in the ring with the best of them (Eham junkies). But the fact is the fact and that is the reason why I put "PSE NO QSL" on my profile. It doesn't make me a bad person, because I cannot justify the cost over my family's needs.

My main reason for writing this morning is... it is not appropriate or good idea to send a QSL card to someone who indicates on their profile "No QSLs". In addition, do not get mad at someone when you send that same person a SASE or money for a QSL card and you do not get one in return. Especially, do not write them nasty E-mails asking why haven't you returned a card either? As far as returning a signed peace of paper with the SASE, I didn't know that was acceptable? I tried to avoid this uncomfortable position by indicating "PSE NO QSL", and believe me I have felt the wrath of those people who do not know how to read and think a SASE or dollar will solve the situation.

Maybe, I should put a "Donation Here" button under my profile. That will surely help me pay for QSL cards and postage...

Jeffrey
KA2BKG


 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@K5EH
Old QSL cards, particularly from the 1920s & 1930s, are readily accepted by the Southern Appalachian Radio Museum in Asheville, North Carolina. Your donation is tax deductible. The museum is approved by the IRS for tax deductible donations, and they will issue you a letter, acknowledging the donation, for tax purposes. They will accept QSL cards from the 1940s and later, as well. The museum is totally dedicated to amateur radio and is located on the Asheville-Buncombe Technical Community College campus in Asheville, NC. tel 828-253-1192 or 828-299-1270. The museum has a web site, which you can Google for. Your donation will allow future generations to admire and enjoy the hobby of ham radio.
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N7KFD
If the Morse code requirement is ever brought back, test takers should be required to demonstrate proficiency in utilizing Morse to send and receive the Ten Code, as well as how to send "QSL" at the end of every transmission. 10-4? QSL?
 
RE: QSLing  
by STRAIGHTKEY on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"I think they should bring back the code requirement."

I think they should make people grow trees, cut them down, make their own paper from the trees, and do their own printing of QSLs on a homemade printing press! That's how we used to do it! Darn near took you fifteen years to make a batch of QSL cards. And then you had to deliver them on horseback. Those were the good old days.
 
RE: Contesters and QSL Cards  
by N0IU on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ AI2IA
<<<However, after participating in a contest I never receive more than one or maybe two requests for my card from others.
I take that to mean that they don't need it or don't want it.>>>

I don't recall the last time anyone sent me a card after a contest. Not that it never happened, its just been a really, really long time.

Any more, the contesters I know don't QSL on paper. After a knock down drag out weekend of contesting and after making hundreds of contacts (if not more!), almost no one is going to take the time to send a paper card out, especially when it is so incredibly easy to just upload your log to LoTW.

Last weekend, I spent about 2 hours in the NAQP RTTY Contest and made a measly 40 contacts. Less than 24 hours after the contest ended, I had 27 confirmations. So just because someone doesn't send you a card after a contest, you can't assume that they don't want or need your confirmation since LoTW is most definitely the preferred method of confirming contacts.
 
RE: Contesters and QSL Cards  
by KG4RUL on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Do I have to send a QSL card if I make a contact during a pseudo-contest?"

ONLY if the contact was during a D-Star, DX contest.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N7KFD on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

Straightkey - I agree, chopping down the trees was the funnest part of send a QSL card.

 
QSLing  
by N4UFO on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
QSLer's TIP...

Along with the SASE and your QSL card, include a 3 x 5 index card stamped and filled out with necessary information. I had a local office store make up a self inking rubber stamp that had the basic QSL information listed and appropriate blanks. (The one difference was that it had MY CALLSIGN printed instead of a blank.) I would even write in the basic QSO information... all the other fellow had to do was sign it and return in the SASE.

BUT... even with that... some would not return it. Apparently some hams get insulted that all you really wanted from them was a QSL! =^P But my return rate using the index cards was much higher. - These days, I try to only work stations that use LotW. That way I don't have to bother others with "clerical chores" of mailing QSLs. =^D That said, I'd often told I have a really cool QSL card and people appreciate getting it. I'd like to think it's worth the price of a stamp!


As for those that don't like QSLing and think it's a nuisance, remember it's like fishing... some do it for sport, some do it for the peace and quiet, some enjoy catch and release. Me, I want to take home the fish! X^D
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4UFO on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KA2BKG wrote: As far as returning a signed peace of paper with the SASE, I didn't know that was acceptable?


I once had a card checker tell me if it was written on a bar napkin or sheet of toilet paper, it would still be fine, as long as it had the correct/complete QSO information and had not been changed or tampered with. And yes, in the case of hand written, you should sign it... =^D

But hey... buy a dollar pack of 3 x 5 index cards at the store... takes a minute to write appropriate info, (name call, address, etc.) but it will be fine. (Helps if you write in county, grid, etc., but if you just put your address, the location can be looked up. The other person can write the needed other stuff IN PENCIL on the back and card checkers will accept that...)

Seriously, I've gotten some very special artistic hand drawn QSL cards that were nothing more than pen ink on an index card.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Jeffrey KA2BKG:

Of course it is your right to ignore requests for QSL cards. Absolutely. But two points:

First, not everybody looks at wherever you have posted that "PSE NO QSLs" message, so don't assume all million or so hams worldwide know that you flatly refuse to honor their requests for a card.

And secondly, if someone sends you a stamped return envelope and/or money and you still stubbornly refuse to at least sign their card and send it back, then yes, I believe that does make you at least a bit of a bad person.

Don N4KC
WWW.N4KC.COM
WWW.DONKEITH.COM

 
RE: QSLing  
by KC7MF on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I enjoy sending out QSL cards. I created one that I think will be interesting or fun particularly for people who do not live in the "wild west".

It is a little expense but one I am willing to make to brighten up a fellow ham's day. I never expect to get one in return but I am happy when I do. I completely understand and respect a person's decision not to QSL. They might get one of mine anyway.

I don't collect the cards so I don't mail money to people to send theirs so I was very excited to get two cards from Italy the other day. I had sent them cards and they were kind enough to return theirs. That was generous of them. By not sending money for cards I always am delighted when I get one instead of disappointed when I don't.

I am not worried about working all states but I am concerned about working my neighbors television set. While I respect awards I would rather have a nice chat with someone in Kentucky than get off a quick 10 words to someone in Godforsaken Island. So I set aside a little money for this wonderful tradition. It is a kindness. We need more of that.
 
RE: QSLing  
by KE7WAV on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
QSL cards don't have to be fancy. When money is tight I buy piece of poster board and cut out to many 4*6 cards and hand draw a picture and the QSL data. It is not the prettiest, but our helps the other guy out, makes the hobby more fun and can be done for about 40 cents or less. My hobby has to be cheap. I use home brew antennas, home brew keys, and a cheap QRP rig, but I still get on the air and I can still QSL too.

If you can't afford the fancy stuff don't worry about it just make something and go that's why were are amateurs!
 
RE: QSLing  
by F8WBD on July 26, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
QSLing began in the very early days of radio when there were few operators, contacts difficult, and the penny postcard reasonably affordable.

Making a two-way contact was a fairly big deal back then, deserving of friendly confirmation through the mail.

Today there are many thousands of amateurs world-wide. If you are active 5 days a week, that could amount to quite a few contacts each month and quite a few cards if you QSLed them all.

Inexpensive cards are available. But postage is high and time limited to do all the "bookkeeping" required.

I now restrict my QSLing to acknowledge 2X QRP CW contacts., my chosen mode of operating. Contacts are more difficult and fewer in number so, in a way, more akin to those earlier times I referred to.
 
RE: QSLing  
by G3RZP on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Some US contest stations QSL every contest QSO, every contest. The ones I know do this - I don't work them. I don't QSL 100% either. Having done a stint looking after the G4BAA-BZZ series for the bureau, I know that at least half the amateur population never collect cards. Special event stations QSLing 100% are wasting money.

Expense? We are very fortunate in that as a member of the national society, you can use the bureau free. Unlike ARRL, that applies to cards going inside the country - so if a UK amateur wants a card for my WAB square, it can go via bureau. OK, it takes rather a long time, but it's cheap.

Back in the 1950' and early 60's, we were accustomed to getting (through the QSL Bureau) a lot of SWL cards from behind the Iron Curtain. It was said that they had to produce so many QSLs from SWLing before they could go on to get a licence, but I have no knowledge of how true that was. So as a kindness, many of use would check the details and if correct, send a card back - 'via buro', of course.
 
QSLing  
by KE6KA on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It is easy enough to find the email address of many active stations. If you are interested in a QSL card just email them and inquire if they will reciprocate. Otherwise, use a buro. It will take longer, but it will cut the cost of postage for both of you.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ G3RZP
<<<Some US contest stations QSL every contest QSO, every contest. The ones I know do this - I don't work them.>>>

So because I upload my entire contest log to LoTW, you won't work me???

<<<Special event stations QSLing 100% are wasting money.>>>

I don't know of any special event that generates QSL cards. They usually require that you send your card to them first (along with some "green stamps" and maybe even an envelope of a certain size with postage affixed) and then they will respond.

 
RE: QSLing  
by G3RZP on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
N0IU,

If all you use is LOTW, you won't send a paper QSL. Thus it doesn't matter, and I don't use LOTW or eQSL myself.

Special event stations here seem to QSL 100% 'via buro'. JOTA stations can be very bad for this, and when they get the kids to write the cards but DON'T check them, you get all sorts of errors. Just what can the bureau do with a card addressed to 'G4B??'?
 
RE: QSLing  
by AA4PB on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Heck, even if someone doesn't have any QSL cards he could at least write the information on a 3x5 card and place it into the provided SASE so that the other guy could get credit for the QSO. How much does a 3x5 card cost?

 
RE: QSLing  
by KA2BKG on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Bingo!

KE6KA is right on! "It is easy enough to find the email address of many active stations. If you are interested in a QSL card just email them and inquire if they will reciprocate." Do this before you send the card, SASE or money!

Obviously, I am not a QSL guy. I have learned some things though, which I didn't know. For instance, take a 3 x 5 card and respond that way with a hand written card. Sorry I am not an artist, so stick figures will have to do...

Thanks everyone for your responses and assistance. I wrote my comments, because I did not know how to stop these people from sending cards, SASE, and money when I knew I could not reciprocate. Not that I got many, maybe 2 times money, and 4 to 5 times SASE.

Lastly, Chief Petty Officer, I am glad I'll never meet you in a court of law for I would surely do time. Oh yah, I checked, it appears from my log we have never worked. So I guess I owe you nothing. A better position then what you left me with.


Jeffrey
KA2BKG
 
QSLing  
by K1CJS on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Just a quick note. If you maintain a QRZ profile, your profile automatically says you QSL at your address. If you don't, it may be a good idea to change that.

I was called on that--politely--by someone here, and have changed mine since I don't QSL. 73 all!
 
A lot of confused hams regarding QSL cards  
by AI2IA on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
QSL card sending is so easy for a ham with good intentions.

The card is a "courtesy" not a compulsion.

No, you don't have to send one, but at least if someone asks you for one, the decent thing to do is to respond.

How you log your contacts is entirely up to you.

If you have just enjoyed a nice rag chew, why would you not want to send a card?

If you finished a contest and there were one or a few unusual for you locations there, what is wrong with sending your card and a SASE and asking them to respond?

Who would really expect you to send out QSL cards for every contact you make?

When you tangle yourself up in a ball over QSL card sending, ask yourself this: Why would I want to lessen the pleasure of other hams?

If you sent out your card and a SASE and get nothing back, bite the bullet and move on.

The QSL card always was and always will be the final courtesy.

If you are one of those hams who hate getting QSL cards because you find it annoying to respond and won't respond, well, that's something you will just have to live with.

If you ever received a QSL card and were happy at that time to get it, keep that in mind when someone requests one from you.

Everyone's resources and time are limited, so no one expects you to knock yourself out on the QSL card thing, but be reasonable and friendly.

Let your conscience be your guide.

 
QSLing  
by WB6DGN on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I bought a car but I "cannot afford" the gas so I just sit in the car in my driveway for hours on end PRETENDING that I'm going somewhere.

I bought a rifle but I "cannot afford" the ammunition so I just walk around my backyard with my rifle PRETENDING that I'm hunting.

I bought a tennis racket but I "cannot afford" the tennis balls so I just carry my tennis racket to the park and PRETEND that I'm playing tennis.

I bought a ham radio AND a big tower AND and an expensive microphone AND all the other goodies to make the best ham station on my block but I "cannot afford" the QSL cards so I just sit at my station and make contacts and PRETEND that I'm a ham.

The ME generation at its finest!

Tom
 
QSLing  
by WB6DGN on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I bought a car but I "cannot afford" the gas so I just sit in the car in my driveway for hours on end PRETENDING that I'm going somewhere.

I bought a rifle but I "cannot afford" the ammunition so I just walk around my backyard with my rifle PRETENDING that I'm hunting.

I bought a tennis racket but I "cannot afford" the tennis balls so I just carry my tennis racket to the park and PRETEND that I'm playing tennis.

I bought a ham radio AND a big tower AND and an expensive microphone AND all the other goodies to make the best ham station on my block but I "cannot afford" the QSL cards so I just sit at my station and make contacts and PRETEND that I'm a ham.

The ME generation at its finest!

Tom
 
QSLing  
by WB6DGN on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I bought a car but I "cannot afford" the gas so I just sit in the car in my driveway for hours on end PRETENDING that I'm going somewhere.

I bought a rifle but I "cannot afford" the ammunition so I just walk around my backyard with my rifle PRETENDING that I'm hunting.

I bought a tennis racket but I "cannot afford" the tennis balls so I just carry my tennis racket to the park and PRETEND that I'm playing tennis.

I bought a ham radio AND a big tower AND and an expensive microphone AND all the other goodies to make the best ham station on my block but I "cannot afford" the QSL cards so I just sit at my station and make contacts and PRETEND that I'm a ham.

The ME generation at its finest!

Tom
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 27, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@WB6DGN
You list could go on ad nauseam, and I doubt it can be narrowed to a "me" generation. For example, we have people fresh off 27 mHz who are Pretending to be amateur radio operators. QSL? 10-4? We have people on the ham bands who fraudulently obtained an amateur radio license Pretending to be legal amateur radio operators...
 
QSLing  
by WB0HZL on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you Robert for the interesting take on QSLing. Now for an Old Timer's take on QSLs - I was licensed 45 years ago this year and I still get a thrill out of receiving a QSL card. When I was a newbie I sent a QSL for every contact, just like my "Elmer" suggested, I think that is part of the problem today - there is a lack of "Elmers" to help new hams deal with the traditions of this great hobby.

I still send paper QSLs, direct or via the Buro (it is a needed service, especially for some countries with a small ham population;remember when you could only get a QSL from the Soviet Union by send a card to PO Box 88, Moscow!) and I have waited for years for some of the cards - it was still a thrill to receive them.

Lately I have trained my computer to produce QSL cards - it is less expensive for me (I am now on a fixed income). BTW I have moved around the United States and the world. I also use LoTW and recently signed up for eQSL, what a surprise to find some eQSLs for my operations in West Germany back in the early 1980s. As soon as I get all my log books I will convert them to electronic files and upload them to eQSL and LoTW.

I have also received QSL cards that were my QSL where the operator confirmed the information, signed it and returned it to me - still a thrill and yes they were accepted for awards.

I seldom initiate QSL requests anymore, but yes I do if there is a need - memorable QSO, need the card for an award, DXpedition, Special Event Station that I really wanted to contact, etc. I will respond to a QSL request in kind; direct, via the Buro; electronic. I remember many contests I operated in and the logging software produced a label for QSLing - sent many a card with those labels and usually via the Buro.

So my take on all of this is - the HAMS of today have missed out on having an older ham help and guide them, along with teaching them the traditions of the hobby.

Take it for what ever it is worth - I still enjoy receiving a QSL card. I have even downloaded the eQSL cards and have made a slide show of the eQSL cards - my friends enjoy seeing that in my shack. Send me a card and I will respond.

The sending of a QSL, at least for the initial Contact, is the Final Courtesy!

73,
Trent WB0HZL/DW5HT
ex WN0TML and DA2HT
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"In any case for me no QSL = no QSO. Get your points somewhere else. Most likely I don't need your card anyway, but there are probably new hams and new DXers out there that do. If I do need your card, why would I waste my time with a station that doesn't QSL when I can spend my time looking for one that does."

Here's what I'm talking about:
I'm working the IOTA contest looking for new ones and I finally work EU-123, after several years. So I go to the station's QRZ.com page and it says eQSL only. Which is all nice and everything, but the IOTA program doesn't accept eQSL.

They say they have no paper cards and then and I quote
"Thank you for the valuable points." Oh really? and then "We hope you enjoyed the contest as much as we did."

Yeah, well, I would have enjoyed it as much as them if I could get a card for the new one I worked.
Here's a clue guys - get a manager! Heck I'll do it.

And then they say "See you in the next one!" I wouldn't count on it, I'll take my valuable points and go play somewhere else.

And to add insult to injury, the other team that was going to activate EU-123 (the guys that actually do QSL) apparently didn't make it.

By the way the IOTA contest was great fun (other than these grinches).

(one other thing - my comments were in the context of DXing and contesting - its not like its the end of the world or anything. I was actually laughing as I typed it, so just like any hobby, don't take it too seriously)
 
RE: QSLing  
by KG4RUL on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Paper is priceless - Electrons are ........ ERROR 404
 
RE: QSLing  
by G3RZP on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
KG4RUL

If paper and pencil had just been invented, they would be hailed as a miracle new data storage medium requiring no power!
 
RE: QSLing  
by AI4WC on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with every comment here, since they have all applied to me at one time. Now, I send cards only to DX stations that confirm they send paper QSL cards and to special events stations that say they QSL. I don't check for eQSLs any more. I don't gripe or complain, because QSL cards are just a part of it. It's just a hobby. When my stack of cards are gone, they are gone. When my FT-950 quits, so do I; simple as that. BTW, I have had many hobbies: SCUBA diving; sports car racing; sailing; flying. They all have their share of naysayers, but amateur radio folks are communicators and it seems like we gripe more. Always remember: it's just a hobby, but it is a great one and I have had many great experiences in it. I hope you have, too! Always keep looking for the good parts!
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Will someone please direct me to the rules & regulations which regulate QSL'ing and QSL cards?
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Will someone please direct me to the rules & regulations which regulate QSL'ing and QSL cards?"

Sure, as soon as I print them. :)
 
RE: QSLing  
by N6AJR on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
One of the fun things about sending overseas cards is the foreign stamps you can save for the stamp collector in your family or circle of friends. When is the last time you got a card from russia?? I got one a couple weeks ago. :)
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Will someone please direct me to the rules & regulations which regulate QSL'ing and QSL cards?"

I think you will find them in many places. They are commonly known as The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com


 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N4KC
My pastor talks about The Golden Rule all the time, but he is not a ham radio operator.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
It's a basic tenet of most of the world's religions. Agnostics and atheists also recognize it as a good, basic guide to life.

Seems, then, it applies quite nicely to QSLing, DX pile-ups, 14.313, intentional QRM, and just about every other aspect of ham radio.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com


 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N4KC
Secular FCC Rules & Regulations are flagrantly violated on the ham bands on a daily basis, and the problem is getting worse. See where I am going? What chance do you think the Golden Rule has in amateur radio of 2013? Sure a QSL card was a courtesy among gentlemen in the 1950s and 60s. Today, gentlemen in ham radio are rare, and courtesy left ham radio decades ago.
 
QSLing  
by KD8RKJ on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I once sent a QSL card to a ham I had an enjoyable QSO with. I sent a SASE so he wouldn't have to pay for postage. He returned my SASE with only a note saying he gets $2.00 plus a SASE for his QSL card.

This is a U.S. Amateur operator who has a detailed bio on QRZ.com, and is obviously fairly wealthy. This was also not a contest station with thousands of QSL requests coming in.

If someone doesn't want the expense of QSL cards, that's OK, but don't describe a station on QRZ.com that costs a small fortune to set up, then try to squeeze every poor Ham who would like to receive a QSL for two dollars.

QSL cards are a tradition and a courtesy, it would be better not to participate than have this kind of attitude.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Well, JOHNZ, I am not quite so cynical as you. I believe amateur radio operators are no worse in the courtesy department than the general population, and may actually be considerably better. I'm quite active and have been a ham for 52 years. My observation is that there are far more great people in the hobby than there are jerks, and I have not really seen any change in the ratio in my half century on the air. Unfortunately, some of the clods have linear amplifiers and microphones so their presence might skew reality a bit.

Still, if we allow a few bad actors to define any endeavor then we might just as well climb into our bunkers and suck our thumbs.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com


 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N4KC
Your dictionary and my dictionary define "cynical" differently. Reality forms the basis of my opinion. 52 years ago hams addressed each other as "sir" and "gentlemen." The sad reality is that times have changed vastly, for the worse.
 
RE: QSLing  
by KD8MJR on July 28, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe I am just not getting it but how can someone use a QSL card that is just hand written and expect the recipient to use that card for card checking? Yes the guy can sign it but does someone at ARRL etc have a signature record on file?

I got a few hand written cards and I responded to them with no problem, mainly because they were not ATNO or anything I really needed, so I don't plan on sending them to be checked!

Sure I know any card can be faked but it's a lot more work to fake an existing card knowing hundreds of originals are in circulation as opposed to just making up something on a 3x5. For all those saying it's fine to send hand written cards I wonder how you would feel if you got an EP3 card on a 3x5 with a sharpie call sign etched on it, especially the $10 version Hi Hi.
 
RE: QSLing  
by WB6DGN on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Well, JOHNZ, I am not quite so cynical as you. I believe amateur radio operators are no worse in the courtesy department than the general population,..."

You just confirmed his point!

Tom
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ, I don't know about your dictionary but mine defines "cynical" as "distrustful, pessimistic." I agree that society has changed dramatically in the last half century, some for the better, some for the worse. I would be naive if I didn't also think those who are involved in our hobby have changed in a similar manner, good and bad.

However, though I spend a great deal of time listening to the bands and am quite active, I am just not seeing this vast going-to-hell-in-a-hand-basket that you and others report. There were kilowatt jerks in roundtables on 75 in 1965. There still are. There were guys who called DX out of turn or on their transmit frequencies in the sixties. There still are. We have had 14.313-like creeps probably since just after Marconi. They're nothing new, nor do I think they are present in any greater proportion today than they were back then.

There were guys who would not respond to an SASE and QSL request back then and there still are...just to keep us on topic. Also, I absolutely do not remember guys in the 60s calling each other "sir" or "gentlemen" on any regular basis.

I stand by my original contention: the bands are no less civil nowadays than they were way back then, even if a DXpedition or contest might bring out the worst in some.

And the solution for the tiny minority who insist on showing their backside is the same as it's always been: ignore the SOBs and enjoy talking to or listening to the other million or so great guys who bring so much to our hobby.

73,

Don N4KC
WWW.N4KC.COM
WWW.DONKEITH.COM


 
QSLing  
by KI7DG on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have been reading with interest those who claim lack of funds for QSL cards. BS let me repeat BS. You have a radio with coax, supporting structure with an antenna plus a computer with which your reading this post. So my question is this, where did the funds come from to purchase all this equipment? and yet you can not shell out a few dollars for cards. I suspect it is more of being to lazy and don't want to be bothered filling out or confirming a contact. "Hams" for a number of various reasons collect or send cards. Awards, same suffixes, County hunters, SWL, Special events, First contact, A great contact, just a few reasons for confirming a contact. When one becomes a member of the Ham fraternity there is a certain expectation that an exchange or confirmation of a contact would be forth coming if requested. This post has already listed a number of ways to confirm a contact with little to no expense so lets not hear you can't afford it. BS

73 and good DX
Chuck
KI7DG
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am still waiting for someone to direct me to where I can find a copy of the rules & regulations applicable to QSL cards dnd QSL'ing. When anyone does that, I promise to attach a copy to my copy of Part 97 rules.
 
RE: QSLing  
by AA4PB on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Maybe I am just not getting it but how can someone use a QSL card that is just hand written and expect the recipient to use that card for card checking?"

The ARRL rules only describe what information must be included on the card for qualification. I don't see where it says that cards have to be professionally printed. Supposedly the ARRL does spot check submitted cards by contacting the station sending the card for a verification that it is in his log book.
 
RE: QSLing  
by KA2BKG on July 29, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Surely, I am not going to justify my personal financial reasons/reality here on Eham. But I will say this, my newest radio is 8 years old, which is the around the same date as all my antennas and coax. The support structure for the my 6 and 2 meter beams is a tree stump, which I cut high enough to drill two holes in to hold the radio shack mast which is also 8 years old. The bolts holding the mast to the stump was my father's and is over 30 years old! If you look at the picture, where have you ever seen a picture taken of the tops of the antennas (picture was taken from my back door of my house)? I have a Mosley CL33 3 element beam and a Tail Twister rotor which is close to 30 years old in the rafters of basement (jealous). My dipole is strung between two trees and that is 9 years old, I do have a newer 20 meter dipole, which I made from wire I had left over from 9 years ago.
My car, which doesn't work, is an 1989 Ford F350 pickup. It hasn't worked for 9 months now. It needs two batteries (diesel engine). Happily, two years ago I could register it as an classic car and I saves big on registration costs. Lot good it did me I can't drive it now? Last year I replaced the front brakes, which my brother helped me to install. My brother laughed at me when he saw the condition of the brakes and disc. The pads were gone and a disc was missing partially on one side. The calipers were grinding against the disc. If he didn't help me, it wouldn't have gotten fixed. My computer (6 years old) was a clearance open box model from Best Buys. I got the computer monitor for free from a friend who was converting to a new flat screen monitor. The computer software for logging was given to me free also. I could go on an on, but who really cares! And I am not looking for pity or suggestions on how I can afford QSL cards either!

Sometimes life circumstances changes and, be it, no matter how hard you try, it sometimes doesn't get better financially. But there is always hope.

For those mean spirited people out there who have 2 cents. It is not the gas that can not be afforded, it's the picture of you sitting in the car with the beautiful girl that you want to hang on your wall of fame that can not be afforded. The same with the tennis racket. It's not playing the game, but its the proof you actually played the game with that same beautiful girl (pictured) and put on that same wall. As far a the rifle, I don't know what you were thinking on that one, but maybe it the bulls eye target you wanted to frame and put on the same wall of fame next to the beautiful girl in the car and playing tennis? In Ham Radio I don't need to put anything on wall of fame. I know I contacted the person, I don't need a certificate to prove I did it. Also, for sure, most of the time there is no pretty girl sitting next to you operating the radio!

When in the future when my grand children or great children read this, please know this. I was active in Ham Radio and enjoyed the hobby. I was not someone who pretends to be on the air, like some of the above. Yes, your grandmother and I struggled, but we gave everything we could to our kids!

Jeffrey
KA2BKG
 
RE: QSLing  
by AA4PB on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Jeffrey, I was not trying to be mean spirited. I'm sorry if you took it that way. All I was trying to point out is that when you receive an SASE and don't have professionally printed QSL cards you do have other options besides just pitching the SASE. A hand written card that contains all of the QSO information can be used for awards. I assume that is what he is after if he goes to the trouble and expense to send an SASE. You could also possible print a card on the computer. For example, that picture you have on your profile would make an excellent card with the QSO information written on the back.

I spent some time in "A" school in Millington back in 1963/64.

Thanks for your service.

73,
Bob
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Bob,
Maybe its not you that's mean spirited, maybe its him.

I'm still trying to decide what to make of that post. He says "And I am not looking for pity or suggestions on how I can afford QSL cards either!"

Then what was the point? The only thing he didn't include was that the dog died yesterday.

He talks about the age of his rig. My K2 is over 8 years old and my HW-9 will be 30 next year. He's got more antennas than I do! It seems his radios, masts, antennas, are all newer than mine.
But it doesn't matter because he's made up his mind he doesn't want to send anybody a QSL. That's a position to take without all the added information.

Several years ago this same discussion occurred with a ham from Hong Kong who refused to send out QSLs. Other hams offered to be her manager and take care of everything including the cost if she would just email the logs. The answer was "NO!".

Many hams go through rough times (I have), some for extended periods of time, some for their whole lives. Some don't, some are very wealthy. For this guy to take the position he's taking he would have to be unable to open a letter, check the card details against his log, write "verified" on the sender's card, sign it, and return it.
Its not that he can't QSL, its that he has no intention to return a QSL.

Sometimes the answer is "NO!".

I sincerely hope this guy's luck changes to have the life he wants.

One last thing - wires make great antennas! :)
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Does anyone here realize that the conditions of an amateur radio license grant by some foreign countries does not allow the licensee to communicate via the mail system? Moreover, the licensee is not permitted to discuss that prohibition on that air.
 
RE: QSLing  
by K0IZ on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Poor Jeff, probably still has a B&W TV.

Suppose that several of us got together and sent ol' Jeff a couple of dollars for some 3x5 cards and a pen. Then what would the excuse be? Man up and just say you DON'T WANT to QSL.
 
RE: QSLing  
by KD8MJR on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Jesus Christ why have people become so Cynical!

You guys think that Jeffrey just made up a story of Hardship to win an argument!!!

Sad, it's really sad that some people think this way.

I just hope for your sakes that one day life doesn’t put you in a bad spot. I had a friend who thought he could never go broke; he was very conservative with his spending, had no loans, owned 3 rented houses and had over a million in the Bank.

Ten years later he lived in a Rat and roach infested house with no electricity and pretty much died penniless. He never did anything wrong never took any chances with his savings, but Life just threw him a medical curve ball and his money was wiped out.

So Laugh at Jeff's story, make fun and keep patting yourself on the back thinking it will never happen to you.
 
RE: QSLing  
by K0IZ on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Bottom line, assuming a SASE, it costs zero or almost zero to return a QSL card, mark verification on the incoming card, or use LOTW. So my point is a long description of a financial situation IS an excuse, and only an excuse. My opinion.
 
RE: QSLing  
by WO7R on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
<<Maybe I am just not getting it but how can someone use a QSL card that is just hand written and expect the recipient to use that card for card checking? Yes the guy can sign it but does someone at ARRL etc have a signature record on file? >>

Actually, I've had cards like this accepted for DXCC.

My first contact with BV was that way. The operator said, over the air, that he was having trouble having cards printed for some reason. So, I sent him a blank card, he filled it out by hand, sent it back, and it counted.
 
QSLing  
by AC7DX on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
99% of the AH's whining about the cost have thousands of dollars in equipment and use Eqsl and the other 1% have crystal sets.
Its a shame
Flame away
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
"Jesus Christ why have people become so Cynical!

You guys think that Jeffrey just made up a story of Hardship to win an argument!!!

Sad, it's really sad that some people think this way."

I don't think anyone is making fun this guy or thinks that he may be untruthful.
I think the problem is this guy may think he's the only one that has hard times. Many of us, including myself, have.
Those of us that have gone through bad times realize that its a poor excuse not to verify a contact. A better response would have been:
"I don't want to, so don't bother me with it." That would be truthful.

 
RE: QSLing  
by K3ZL on July 30, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Vince your return LOTW and eQSL percentages are great, about 30% and 50%. Wish I could say the same. I QSL all of my contacts via LOTW with with about a 18% return and eQSL about 25%.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on July 31, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ K3ZL
<<<I QSL all of my contacts via LOTW with with about a 18% return and eQSL about 25%>>>

It really depends on who you talk to. In my case, eQSL and LoTW have identical logs, but my return rate for LoTW is 42% but only 34% with eQSL. There are awards I have (or qualify for) with LoTW that I don't even come close to qualifying for with eQSL.

Take WAS for instance... I have WAS Digital so unless I am working a RTTY contest, I tend to gravitate more towards DX digi-mode conacts and these people are generally very good about using LoTW... despite the fact that its so hard to use!


 
QSLing  
by N4UED on July 31, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I love sending and receiving QSL cards . I don't mind sending 2 Dollars for a card from a DX station if it is a country I need . I see now some DX stations want 3 US Dollars for a returned card . That is a bit much .
I send QSL cards to everyone I work on CW within the USA . DX stations are pricing themselves out of QSL cards .
 
QSLing  
by WB0HZL on July 31, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I normally do not add additional comments after I make a post but in this case I really need to make a statement about the cost of QSLing from a foreign country - I currently live in the Philippines, a card sent from the United States in an envelope costs about $1.10 if I remember the postal rates - returning a card to the US from the Philippines costs about 120 PHP, that is roughly $3 - just to put things in prospective.

I use LoTW, eQSL and will respond to a direct or buro sent QSL Card. Thanks for the interesting and sometimes lively discussion.

73,
Trent Hays WB0HZL/DW5HT
 
QSLing  
by W5ESE on August 1, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
The "cost of the cards" argument is bogus; 35 years ago, some of the cards I received were homemade on an index card with a felt tipped pen. I still have them and value them as much (if not more) than the "store bought" variety.
 
QSLing  
by SCARPAD on August 1, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
LOTW seriously needs to overhaul it's convoluted why of signing up, it's overly complicated for its own sake. I tried unsuccessfully three times and the processed fell apart each time in different stages of it, the latter in never receiving the certificate back from LOTW. It's not 1970 anymore they need to update the site and proceedures
 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on August 1, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ SCARPAD
<<<I tried unsuccessfully three times and the processed fell apart each time in different stages of it...>>>

I'm no computer genius. Heck, I am still running Vista and I got it to run with no issues the first time. But then again, I did read the instructions and followed them to the letter. Funny how that works!
 
RE: QSLing  
by WA4HBK on August 2, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
In my 40+ years of hamming and once or twice in a desirable location I have never consciously failed to reply to a QSL request. A fancy QSL card isn't necessary, I have received cards with all the required information written on a 3x5 card. The outgoing and incoming bureaus are bargains if you don't want the full expense of postage. I am still receiving, and replying with QSL cards, for my DX in KG4 land in 1978-83, and XT2, TU5 in 1992-95. I print the cards out as needed. If someone wants one via eQSL not a problem, whatever floats their boat. The way I look at it if you don't want to QSL fine, but you are in my log if you ever need a card, just ask - I'll even pay the postage.
 
RE: QSLing  
by WA4HBK on August 2, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Goodness you are operating new equipment, my newest rig is 11 years old and my oldest was bought new in 1992. Both still work fine and don't see a need to have something new and shiny sitting on my desk.
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@WA4HBK
You are conservative, and that is a good character trait. OTOH, I note a definite correlation between hams who receive some form of public support or welfare and having the biggest newest radios with the latest bells and whistles. This type of ham seems to define his self esteem by how many and how big his radios are, and he constantly makes others aware of his newest and latest toys.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ JOHNZ <<<OTOH, I note a definite correlation between hams who receive some form of public support or welfare and having the biggest newest radios with the latest bells and whistles.>>>

This may actually be true. The fact that someone draws a Social Security check or pension and has a "contest grade" rig is probably no coincidence. The reason is most likely because they are waiting until they retire to buy their "dream rig" since they presumably have more time to devote to amateur radio.

@ JOHNZ <<<This type of ham seems to define his self esteem by how many and how big his radios are, and he constantly makes others aware of his newest and latest toys.>>>

So what? Are you jealous?
 
QSLing  
by KA1PPV on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I have set up accounts on Eqsl and LOTW because so many other Hams have asked to verify that way. Personally I enjoy receiving cards in the mailbox and have since I was a SWL back in the 60's. I am pleased to be the "first contact" in a QSO and I have spoken to more than a few who are a fraction of my age. For me, there is nothing like the satisfaction of knowing that I provided a needed State for WAS.
QSLing is like a handshake and thanks for taking the time to chat with me.
Joe
KA1PPV
 
RE: QSLing  
by NU4B on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ "I note a definite correlation between hams who receive some form of public support or welfare and having the biggest newest radios with the latest bells and whistles."

Can you expand on this? Have you actually researched this or is this the typical BS people like you spout?
 
QSLing - going the extra mile for happiness.  
by AI2IA on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
QSL card exchange is a very nice Ham tradition. Hopefully it will always survive.

It has become very costly and time consuming to send QSL cards to DX contacts, but eQSL solves that difficulty easily, and dependably. I have customized my eQSL card and send it quickly and easily when the opportunity arises. eQSL is very easy to use and I rely on it especially for those DX contacts.

For state side contacts I do send eQSL cards if the other ham is on eQSL, but truthfully I am happier when I can send out my good old paper cards here in the U.S.

One thing is certain, between eQSL and my paper cards, I have the coverage I need to keep my end of this good old Ham tradition going.

Paper chasing doesn't mean anything to me anymore, but I do like to see those call signs in my logbook.
 
RE: QSLing - going the extra mile for happiness.  
by JOHNZ on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N0IU
Although Social Security is a broken system, when collected by those 62 and over, it is not public support or welfare. Same for someone who receives a pension based on a -lifetime- of work. Many high profile misfits on the ham bands are on welfare and are many years younger than 62 and have not held a steady job in years. Moreover, they seem to have no physical problems, when it comes to hauling heavy cases of beer and spirits.
 
RE: QSLing - going the extra mile for happiness.  
by N0IU on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ JOHNZ

<<<Moreover, they seem to have no physical problems, when it comes to hauling heavy cases of beer and spirits.>>>

Sounds like you're just upset that they are having a party and not inviting you!
 
RE: QSLing - going the extra mile for happiness.  
by K3ZL on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Regarding contests and QSLing I have a question: When contest logs are submitted to ARRL or CQ or others, in Cabrillo format, do those contacts end up on LOTW or eQSL, which use tqsl and/or adif file formats? What I am asking, do contest QSO's make it to LOTW and eQSL? Or must they be upload separately in the correct formats for purposes of awards? I am not a contester, but I do work some of them hoping to pick up new countries for DXCC or bands for 5BWAS. Just wondering...
 
HEY ROBERT  
by WB9QEL on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Robert, great article!! I love my QSL cards. I have cards that are hand written and sent through the Mail. That's what I send out anyway. All the ones I have myself were sent to me the same way. I could care less about worked all everything, I just get on the air and have fun.

God Bless Robert, cool article!!

W9ZXT
 
QSLing  
by W4TRJ on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I just recently had the dough set aside to have some cards printed, and have the best fun sending them out, playing catch up on a couple of months worth of qso's. I have always loved graphic design and printing so it's partly about that, too, as well as giving others the joy I get of receiving the card when I reach in the mailbox and get a few.

I get that eqsl's are free.

I'm not into radio for contests or awards but for the joy of making contacts, making friends, learning and getting better at cw. I know I'm odd in that respect.

And I know I like getting real mail in the mailbox. My mom always said "if you want to get mail, you gotta send mail." I hadn't thought about that in years until I got back a wad of real qsl's in the box after sending mine out.

I use email all the time, and won't stop using it. But I highly value the very few real letters I get in the mailbox. Same goes for qsl's.

Not saying eqsl's are wrong, or that real ones are better -- at least not for everybody. But for me, I like the real thing, especially when having worked an older op who's been a ham for 50 years and has taken the time to chew the rag with me on cw. It is an honor to send him a real card. Does it cost me money? I say no, simply because honoring others who have helped me is not a "cost" in that regard.

Having said all that, I appreciate any and all qsl's, electronic or us mail. But I sure do like the real thing.
 
RE: QSLing  
by N0IU on August 3, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@ K3ZL

Submitting contest logs to the ARRL or CQ has nothing to do with LoTW or eQSL. Uploading logs to LoTW and eQSL is a completely separate process.

In my case, I use HRD for my general log, but use N1MM for contesting. At the end of a contest, I generate a Cabrillo copy of the log for the contest sponsor and an ADIF copy for my HRD log. After I import the ADIF version into HRD, I then highlight those entries and click the option to upload them to LoTW which does the ADIF-to-TQ8 conversion and uploading all in one very easy step. The same process is repeated for eQSL.
 
RE: QSLing  
by K3ZL on August 4, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
Tnx Scott. Answers my question perfectly. I use LOTW and eqsl. Just didn't know the cabrillo process.
 
QSLing  
by W5LRU on August 12, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I started as a Novice in 1959 and find it hard to believe the attitude of not QSLing someone who sends a SASE envelope with a request for a QSL for confirmation of a QSO.

Recently I had a contact with a new HAM who requested a QSL and asked me to please send him one and when he got his he would send me one. Of course I sent him one and in return he sent me one of his. Considering I have been a Ham for over 54 years you can believe that I am not out every day looking to add cards to my collection!

With FREE computer software and simple card stock a person can easily make a card or make up several to send to people using the SASE they have provided.

I use paper (custom made ones at that too), LoTW and eQSL so in closing I just don't understand the "I don't QSL" mentality.

Just my 2 cents worth on the subject.
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on August 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@W5LRU
I, and you should too, perfectly understand why some hams make a choice not to QSL. TWICE here I challenged anyone to point me towards the rules & regulations which codify the exchange of QSL cards. No one would tell me where I could find the QSL rules & regulations. News Flash: There are no rules governing or regulating the exchange of QSL cards between hams. One ham here even presented some silly absurd argument about some "Golden Rule." Therefore, in the absence of any law or regulation, what gives YOU the legal right to believe anyone should send you a QSL card? The circle of liberty is shrinking in this country daily. How about respecting the right of someone NOT to QSL?
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on August 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ:

Easy, big fella. Take a deep breath and relax. First, of course there is no rule or regulation regarding QSLing. You know that, we know that, and I assume that all this anonymous posturing is simply your way of making some obscure point, though I am having difficulty figuring out what, exactly, it is.

Certainly any of us have the right to refuse a request to send a QSL card, regardless the reason. But again I can't imagine why, if the requester asks politely and includes a self-addressed and stamped envelope. All one has to do is jot down the required details of the contact on a slip of paper, sign it, put it into the provided envelope, and drop it into any mailbox.

No, there is no law or regulation compelling someone to do that. There is also no law forbidding you to burp in public or walk down the middle of a crowded sidewalk forcing others to step aside. Nor are you required by statute to flush a toilet after use in a public restroom or forbidden by law to take up two parking spaces in a lot. However, common courtesy generally prevails.

If your point is that you have a legal right to be a jerk then we agree. And I hope the government never legislates against your freedom to be an SOB.

I am also the one who brought up "some silly absurd argument about some 'Golden Rule.'" That "silly, absurd" concept has been a guiding principal among rational human beings for centuries, and, to my way of thinking, will almost always cause its practitioners to do the right--and polite--thing. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Hard to argue against that. However, I fully expect you to give it a go.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)

 
RE: QSLing  
by W4TRJ on August 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
N4KC:

Outstanding response, sir.

David Clark
W4TRJ
 
RE: QSLing  
by JOHNZ on August 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N4KC
Mission accomplished...
 
THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK  
by WB9QEL on August 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS N4KC:


N4KC on August 15, 2013
JOHNZ:

Easy, big fella. Take a deep breath and relax. First, of course there is no rule or regulation regarding QSLing. You know that, we know that, and I assume that all this anonymous posturing is simply your way of making some obscure point, though I am having difficulty figuring out what, exactly, it is.

Certainly any of us have the right to refuse a request to send a QSL card, regardless the reason. But again I can't imagine why, if the requester asks politely and includes a self-addressed and stamped envelope. All one has to do is jot down the required details of the contact on a slip of paper, sign it, put it into the provided envelope, and drop it into any mailbox.

No, there is no law or regulation compelling someone to do that. There is also no law forbidding you to burp in public or walk down the middle of a crowded sidewalk forcing others to step aside. Nor are you required by statute to flush a toilet after use in a public restroom or forbidden by law to take up two parking spaces in a lot. However, common courtesy generally prevails.

If your point is that you have a legal right to be a jerk then we agree. And I hope the government never legislates against your freedom to be an SOB.

I am also the one who brought up "some silly absurd argument about some 'Golden Rule.'" That "silly, absurd" concept has been a guiding principal among rational human beings for centuries, and, to my way of thinking, will almost always cause its practitioners to do the right--and polite--thing. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Hard to argue against that. However, I fully expect you to give it a go.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)


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THIS IS W9ZXT:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I agree Don.

I'm sure you wouldn't like to be called a jerk or SOB.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!

Hard to argue against that. However, I fully expect you to give it a go.

GO!!












 
RE: THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK  
by N4KC on August 15, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
W9ZXT:

Kindly re-read my post, the one you reproduced so accurately. I did not call anyone a jerk or SOB.

I did agree with JOHNZ that he--or anyone else who so desires--has the legal right to be either, and that was what I wrote...after thinking about it.

It's just difficult for me to imagine why anyone would want to be.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)
 
RE: THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK  
by JOHNZ on August 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N4KC
Keep back pedalling...
 
RE: QSLing  
by AB9H on August 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
quote:>>>>Each of us are in this hobby for different reasons. I enjoy operating CW and getting involved in contests. I don't have WAS or any other awards from the ARRL, that I can recall? I am very active in the hobby and enjoy it but feel that some always have a reason to complain.
Jeffrey
KA2BKG<<<<end of quote

Jeffrey, I commend you for this!

73, Joe AB9H
 
RE: QSLing  
by N4KC on August 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ:

Keep trolling...

73,

Don N4KC
www.donkeith.com
www.n4kc.com




 
GOLDEN RULE  
by WB9QEL on August 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS N4KC:


N4KC on August 15, 2013
JOHNZ:

Easy, big fella. Take a deep breath and relax. First, of course there is no rule or regulation regarding QSLing. You know that, we know that, and I assume that all this anonymous posturing is simply your way of making some obscure point, though I am having difficulty figuring out what, exactly, it is.

Certainly any of us have the right to refuse a request to send a QSL card, regardless the reason. But again I can't imagine why, if the requester asks politely and includes a self-addressed and stamped envelope. All one has to do is jot down the required details of the contact on a slip of paper, sign it, put it into the provided envelope, and drop it into any mailbox.

No, there is no law or regulation compelling someone to do that. There is also no law forbidding you to burp in public or walk down the middle of a crowded sidewalk forcing others to step aside. Nor are you required by statute to flush a toilet after use in a public restroom or forbidden by law to take up two parking spaces in a lot. However, common courtesy generally prevails.

If your point is that you have a legal right to be a jerk then we agree. And I hope the government never legislates against your freedom to be an SOB.

I am also the one who brought up "some silly absurd argument about some 'Golden Rule.'" That "silly, absurd" concept has been a guiding principal among rational human beings for centuries, and, to my way of thinking, will almost always cause its practitioners to do the right--and polite--thing. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Hard to argue against that. However, I fully expect you to give it a go.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)


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THIS IS W9ZXT:


Don, this is what you posted and I called you on it.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!

 
RE: GOLDEN RULE  
by N4KC on August 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
W9ZXT:

Yes, that is precisely what I posted. What, exactly, are you calling me on?

And what does it have to with being polite and thoughtful enough to return a confirmation for a contact when politely asked to do so and provided with an envelope and sufficient postage to do so?

73,

Don N4KC



 
RE: GOLDEN RULE  
by WA4HBK on August 16, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I just acknowledged 6 QSO's this afternoon on eQSL from 1995, my record for this year is one from 1978. I still have all my logs and in each case I always ask the QSLing station if they would like a paper QSL. Occasionally I get a request and am happy to fill it for the station. I did have one station a Z32 who will remain nameless who tried to slide a contact with me on 5 bands, I was happy to QSl on 4 of them but the 80 M was wishful thinking on his part. I know it wasn't a logging error since my antenna wouldn't take power on 80. I was working at a fairly hard to get QTH (XT2) and did my own QSLing, that way even with the amount of QSLs I was receiving I could be a tad more personal with each one. I printed all of them on a laser printer and still have the image stored on my computer so I can print out ones as needed. Ham radio is unique in that we can each go into it at whatever level we wish. That's what attracted me and has kept me at it for 41 years so far. So whatever floats your boat go for it.
 
RE: GOLDEN RULE  
by JOHNZ on August 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
@N4KC
You have resorted to name calling, confirmation that you have nothing of substance to offer to the discussion. You got called on it. Keep back pedalling, that is, of course, unless you have something of substance that would merit further substantive discussion of the topic?
 
RESPECT  
by WB9QEL on August 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS N4KC:



W9ZXT:

Yes, that is precisely what I posted. What, exactly, are you calling me on?

And what does it have to with being polite and thoughtful enough to return a confirmation for a contact when politely asked to do so and provided with an envelope and sufficient postage to do so?

73,

Don N4KC

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THIS IS W9ZXT:


Easy big fella, if you have to ask you don't understand.

 
RE: RESPECT  
by N4KC on August 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ and W9ZXT (if you actually are two different individuals):

Once again, who have I called names? And where have I backpedaled?

1. There are no regs requiring a QSL be sent or returned.

2. The courteous thing would be to return a confirmation if asked to do so and especially if supplied with an envelope and return postage.

3. Anyone wishing to be discourteous is perfectly within his or her right to do so.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com


 
PROOF  
by WB9QEL on August 17, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS N4KC:


RE: RESPECT
by N4KC on August 17, 2013
JOHNZ and W9ZXT (if you actually are two different individuals):

Once again, who have I called names? And where have I backpedaled?

1. There are no regs requiring a QSL be sent or returned.

2. The courteous thing would be to return a confirmation if asked to do so and especially if supplied with an envelope and return postage.

3. Anyone wishing to be discourteous is perfectly within his or her right to do so.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com



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THIS IS W9ZXT:



You can be silent and make people wonder if you are a fool, or you can speak and prove that you are.
 
RE: PROOF  
by N4KC on August 18, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS W9ZXT:



You can be silent and make people wonder if you are a fool, or you can speak and prove that you are.

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Thank you for quite effectively proving your own point.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
 
RE: PROOF  
by JOHNZ on August 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
This is not addressed to any one person. This discussion long ago ceased having any substance or factual basis, and I was not going to participate further, until I noted one gentleman remarked that I and W9ZXT could be the same person. This is simply NOT true! I categorically deny we are the same person, and I assure you I am my own man, a separate and distinct individual, geographically separated many miles from W9ZXT. Never met W9ZXT and have never corresponded with him, and definitely have never had a QSO with him.
 
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by WB9QEL on August 19, 2013 Mail this to a friend!

This is not addressed to any one person. This discussion long ago ceased having any substance or factual basis, and I was not going to participate further, until I noted one gentleman remarked that I and JOHNZ could be the same person. This is simply NOT true! I categorically deny we are the same person, and I assure you I am my own man, a separate and distinct individual, geographically separated many miles from JOHNZ. Never met JOHNZ and have never corresponded with him, and definitely have never had a QSO with him.
 
QSLing  
by KK6DXD on August 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
As a new ham, I heard about "The War" (coders v. non-coders). Is this QSL argument an extension of "The War" or is this a new division, and a "New War?"

-Clueless Newb.
 
QSLing  
by KR4JY on August 21, 2013 Mail this to a friend!
I am an ARRL member and have confirmed 324 entities without Logbook of the World. I do find eQSL very easy to use. I do send a lot of paper QSL's and would never refuse to send one to anyone whom I have contacted. To bad the ARRL does not accept eQSL's for awards. They are very secure and you have to send a copy of your license in order to be authenticated. If it is not the ARRL's product they don't give it any credit.
 
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