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Ham Radio May Cause Blindness

from Dave Grubbs, N4EF on April 12, 2014
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Ham Radio (Lack of Exercise) May Cause Blindness

Diabetes is the most common cause of eye disease (diabetic retinopathy) in adults and a leading cause of blindness. In diabetes, the tiny blood vessels that perfuse the retina (the light sensing tissue in our eyes) break and bleed causing loss of vision. I see it every day in my eye care practice.

If you're not diabetic, one day you might be. It's a global epidemic. Nine out of 10 people become diabetic from a sedentary lifestyle and excess weight. Divide your height by two: the result should be equal to your waist size. If your waist measurement exceeds half your height, maybe you have too much contesting and long hours of ragchewing and not enough exercise.

We've all heard doctors tell us to exercise. But exercise is boring. The trick is to exercise while you do something enjoyable and keeping active has powerful health benefits. I'm going to tell you how I get my blood sugar sweet-smack-dab in the normal range while I ragchew, reducing my risk of diabetes.

Being physically active will keep your blood sugar in the normal range that minimizes the risk of diabetes and diabetic eye disease, but what does this have to do with ham radio? I'll tell you. Better yet, you tell you: ask yourself, Ēdo I spend hours working digital modes, contesting, chasing DX, or ragchewing?" If you said yes -- and I'll bet most of you did -- then you're not only enjoying a great hobby, you're sitting, and inducing some degree "sedentariness". And it may kill you. Or at least contribute to diabetes mellitus and blindness. Thus, the science of sitting affects our health negatively.

Here's how I've invested in my health while I enjoy hamming. I have a treadmill near my rig and I've moved the keyer paddle so that it sits on the treadmill control panel. I can work CW and walk the treadmill at the same time. It's not a 4 mph (6.5 km/h) sweaty jog, but a slow 0.7 mph (1.1 km/h) with treadmill on an incline to increase caloric expenditure.

For digital modes, the wireless keyboards and a wireless mouse are perfect for a PSK31 contact. Or better yet, build or buy a desk to straddle the treadmill and put your rig and computer on it so as to better see the monitor. The NEWS.CNET link in the references below shows how it's done.

If you're more of a voice operator, bring your microphone over to the treadmill and use the UP/DOWN buttons on many mics to scan around the band while you walk until you find a clear spot for a CQ. But you donít have to incur the expense of a treadmill: try a stationary bike. Your VHF/UHF hand-held transceiver is a no-brainer for use at the treadmill or a stationary bike. If you can't afford a treadmill or stationary bike, spend $12 for a pedometer and aim for 10,000 steps per day while you chat on your handheld with a walk around the neighborhood.

I've described how I marry ham radio and exercise. You may have found a better way to merge the two, but for those who have sedentariness but don't want to spend money for a treadmill or bike, end your next ragchew with "73, I going for a walk".

Dr. Dave Grubbs
Optometry
N4EF



How one guy does it. You gotta see this! http://news.cnet.com/8301-33620_3-57611346-278/my-life-with-a-treadmill-desk-e-mail-and-browsing-at-2-mph/

A scientific study from the North American Association for the Study of Obesity http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2009.117/full#

An easy to understand discussion of diabetes and diabetic eye disease http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/diabetic/retinopathy.asp

A scientific study showing how keeping a normal blood sugar minimizes risk of diabetic damage to eyes, nerves, and kidneys http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/control/

From the World Health Association about the epidemic in diabetes http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs312/en/

A height-to-waist calculator: http://prowellness.vmhost.psu.edu/prevention/understanding_risk/whtr

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Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9COX on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Mamma used to say don't do that or you will go blind.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by W1JKA on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
A relevant wake up call to those hams who are not other wise restricted in their mobility due to physical or other types of disabilities and to put a plug in for the benefits of portable QRP operating. A mile a day or more whenever possible walking, hiking, canoeing, snow shoeing etc.to various portable locations or simply walking the dog down to the corner store will go a long way in maintaining general good health and probably one of the reasons that I still have all my toes and can still see.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K2BEW on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Another suggestion is get into QRP and start hiking and taking your radio with you. Lots of fun and challenge and gets you out of the chair and into the great outdoors! We are just in time to start this year too. Nice article. Tom, K2BEW
 
FCC Regulation Needed  
by AI2IA on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Considering all the health hazards to ham radio, what is really needed is for Congress to tell the FCC to impose strict regulation of ham radio for general health reasons.

Restrict seated radio operation to a total of one hour a day.

Require all hams to have and to use H/Ts while standing, walking, or running at least once every 24 hours.

Give government grants to researchers to develop transceivers that can be used while hams work out on exercise machines and lift weights.

Require hams to have a physical exam twice a year and be put on special low calorie diets.

Impose weight limits on all hams and suspend, then take way their licenses if they persist in obese habits.

Impose mandatory counseling and health education for hams to help them avoid these health pitfalls.

Like most Americans, hams are too weak and stupid to help themselves, government must intervene to control them.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hallelujah, N4EF!

With that, and a review of the proper use of a shower stall and bar of soap, we're finally getting somewhere.

 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by JOHNZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The typical ham, an obese diabetic on disability, who sits behind his mic 24/7, bragging about how many countries he has confirmed, what his latest contest scores are (after cheating), and how expensive his ham gear is. Rolling out of the shack for dinner, he will wolf down the greasy pork chops and steaks his xyl made, then return for a fun evening of participating in his favorite radio wars and spinning lies about his heroic military service. Calling ham radio a taxpayer supported sedentary hobby is an understatement.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K1CJS on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Used to be that people knew that they had to get a minimum of exercise and stay in shape, and some still do. Problem is that too many people these days want to be told what to do by the 'nanny' state. Then, if they don't like it--they wait to be forced to!

Anybody with any common sense at all knows that they have to get out and exercise--even if it's just going for a walk. Too bad almost nobody has common sense anymore.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K8QV on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'm pretty sure that nobody is unaware that overeating and never getting any physical exercise is bad for one's health. Many people, hams in this case, just don't care and would rather ride around hamfests on their little fat man scooters while eating donuts. Apparently, many also consider bathing to be an exercise too strenuous to attempt. Health and fitness conscious people gravitate to other hobbies, but not all hams are lazy, fat and smelly.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by W5DXP on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'm 75" tall with a 36" waist, eat healthy, and exercise - but that didn't keep me from getting diabetes.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
That is true, QV. It's just that we seem to have way more than our fair share, and they really stick out.

I heard two on a repeater locally discussing which doc in town is best for the stomach band surgery procedure.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KC2QYM on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, it's a good suggestion for everyone to stay active and balance their activities. Some in this hobby are too serious about it to the point that they spend too much time on their butts. So please, can the 24x7 amateur radio operators please get out of the shack sometimes so the bands are a little less congested and open for me?
Thanks!
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K8QV on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Simply standing at a desk or operating position goes a long way toward improvement over sitting. Many office workers who spend hours at a computer have made the switch and the results are seen in lower blood pressure, better posture, and all those good things. You don't have to work out at the gym three days a week to make significant changes in health.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by JOHNZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Fat man scooters have become iconic at hamfests. See them at the snack bar, eating a double order of cheese nachos, then they roll over to the manufacturers' booths, blocking the way for others to approach the sales people. After 30 mins of blocking the way and arguing for a mythical "hamfest price," the fat man scooter rolls to the next manufacturer. Their body odor is enough to gag on.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K8AXW on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
COX: I got the same blast from my dad. I decided to continue anyhow until I needed glasses, then quit.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KASSY on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The precursor to Type II diabetes is fatty liver disease.

Fatty liver disease is caused primarily by excess intake of concentrated fructose. By that I mean fructose that is no longer contained within the fruit from which it came. Table sugar and high fructose corn syrup are both approx 50% fructose. Without abundant water and fiber, your body cannot simply pass this toxin out the body, it can only send it to the liver. The liver operates slowly, turning the fructose into fat that stays in the liver a long time. The mechanism for moving liver fat out is very slow.

There are LOTS of obese people who don't get Type II diabetes; they get fat on meats, cheeses, and other things that don't contain high sugar levels.

Fatty liver disease is also the precursor to cirrhosis of the liver. The CDC reported, in 2012, that 75% of newly-diagnosed cases of cirrhosis occurred in non-drinkers. And, that for the first time, we are seeing a spate of cirrhosis and Type II diabetes cases in non-drinking non-obese young people (under 12).

In the early 1900s, Americans averaged 15g of fructose consumption per day, now it's closer to 200.

Exercise does not help the liver process fructose or get rid of the fat.

This one is purely a dietary cause.

Drop the sweets. Including the hidden sugars in breads and prepared foods.

Google "non-alcohol induced cirrhosis" and "fructose metabolism" for more details. Pay attention to publication date, this awareness of the highly toxic nature of fructose is relatively young, maybe since 2010.

- k
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K1FPV on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hmmmmm! I'm 6'0" tall, 67 years of age and only weigh 210 pounds. My waist is 39" and for my age, I think of myself as healthy. However, I have type 2 diabetes. Having gone through every test available at a couple of Boston's leading hospitals, it has been determined that mine is hereditary. PHEW !

I would have been ready to give up 50+ years as a ham because of that? NOT! The only real thing I could see as hazardous to our health about Amateur Radio is RF exposure to VHF and UHF high power signals. In my case the power on all bands 144 mHz. and above in my case is 200 watts or less with antennas up approximately 50' above ground and my shack in the basement below ground. No worry of RF here! I guess falling from a tower could be hazardous too, but now I leave that to the younger guys who are more agile than myself!

Don't worry so much.....ENJOY !

Bill, K1FPV

 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KE6EE on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
My recommendations for calorie-burning antidiabetic hamming.

1. Use only boat anchor gear and rearrange your operating desk at least twice weekly, carefully dusting behind every rig.

2. Use mostly CW using a straight key at upwards of 20 wpm.

3. If you must use voice, go QRP and set your microphone six feet away from where you sit (or stand or use your treadmill).

4. Take down each antenna you have at least once a week and check its mechanical and electrical soundness. Move each antenna biweekly.

 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"....it has been determined that mine is hereditary. PHEW !
I would have been ready to give up 50+ years as a ham because of that? NOT!
Bill, K1FPV"


Nobody has even been close to suggesting that.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by N4KC on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I do a brisk walk for at least an hour every other day. I take along my HT, which has an FM broadcast tuner built in. I leave the memory on one of the local repeaters that is usually active with commuters at the time of my walk and listen to NPR or the local sports/talk station until someone shows up on the repeater. I usually sign "N4KC tennis shoe mobile."

With an after-market 1/4-wave whip, I can hit most local repeaters with no problem and it surely makes the walk even more enjoyable. That's in addition to the positive emotional effect of exercise, the birds, the spring blooms, and that young lady down the street who sometimes sunbathes on her deck.

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)


 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KD0REQ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
one word: menues. dinky little menues reached by dinky little buttons in dinky little type. eyestrain and low effort.

seriously, folks, diet and EXERCISE! so go flip a few ropes up trees, and try another antenna.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KQ9J on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio may cause blindness because you may not get enough exercise and could get diabetes. Jesus Christ, can any more nannies pop out of the woodwork? I'm gonna go have a smoke. Take that.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K0IC on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
My solution to this problem was the Paleolithic or Caveman Diet. It seems to work great for me.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
by KQ9J on April 12, 2014 "Ham radio may cause blindness because you may not get enough exercise and could get diabetes. Jesus Christ, can any more nannies pop out of the woodwork? I'm gonna go have a smoke. Take that."


Classy post.

Do you think the OP might be using a bit of light sarcasm to get our typical plus-sized ham brethren to take notice and get out of their Asperger's reclusive worlds and do something healthy and well-adjusted for a change?

 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by N4UE on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Dave, thank you for that timely piece. I'm 68 yrs and in excellent health. However, I am shocked at how Americans have 'let themselves go'. I was at Wal Mart today, and every other person was obese. There were not enough scooters to go around.... Maybe WM is not the best place to do a 'sample size'... ha ha
There were rows of cars in line just to get a parking spot NEAR the door. Engines running. These were NOT handicapped folks, just lard butts....
My good health is no doubt my diet and the fact that I work 7 days a week (4 hrs / day). It's not even work, really, it's taking care of my buddies cows, dogs, donkeys, fish, etc.

Really, really sad.....
ron
N4UE
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K4IQT on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Dave, it sounds like this article touched a nerve ....
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KQ9J on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'm actually sitting at the mall right now. Lots of people of all shapes and sizes. There are plenty of oversize hams but it's bullshit to say the typical amateur is a fat stinky slob. And if one wants to be, so what? I'm 56, 5'11 1/2 and 187 pounds. That doesn't make me any better than the 300 pounder. And when we die he will get crammed into the same size plot as me. No room for false pride and elitism any more after that.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by N4UE on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I hear you. I guess you've never been to Dayton? My wife was a "California Valley Girl". She was horrified to see the 500 lb slobs with the fat hanging over what 'might' have been a belt. Of course, they had the mandatory 5 LARGE hand helds straining that poor belt. She would never again express an interest in going to Hare.
Of course, the overflowing toilets might have had something to do with that!! ha ha

BTW. I meant to add that my good health is mostly genetic and the fact I have never smoked is another clue.

ron
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by RSHIRE22 on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I am 62 years old type 1 diabetic since 1960s. I bike an hour three times a week away from hamming and eat a balanced diet. So far no problems except neuropathy of the legs. Knock on wood.

The bicycling is my secret. The ticker and everything connected is fb.

RS
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by AE5QB on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'm 60 years old and have had a good life. I am not diabetic but I am hypoglycemic which requires similar diet control. I am overweight and I know it. But you know what, I don't give a crap. I made it to 60 so if I die tomorrow instead of living to 80 or 90 who the hell cares. Worry about the guy who drops over from a heart attack at 28. Now that is getting screwed in life! I've enjoyed my life, seen a great deal, and accomplished much. If I die tomorrow, I am OK with it. The leading cause of death, in my opinion, is worrying about the leading causes of death. Quit worrying so freakin much and enjoy whatever you want to do. If you want to die weighing 300 lbs go for it and have another pizza. Take comfort in knowing you just created a job for a couple of extra pallbearers. Now worry about yourself if you want to worry and quit telling others what they need to do. We know it already!
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K6AER on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This year at Dayton there will be 400 electric scoters. And hams wonder why they get fat.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by N8TI on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I think that the point is that our hobby does not involve physical activity, but there are ways to get physical activity even while hamming. This nonphysical activity is the same problem those of us who work in front of a computer or talk on the phone all day as part of our jobs. To go home after sitting all day and then spend our leisure time sitting down in front of a radio does not seem wise. The article presents good suggestions.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"The article presents good suggestions."

Also amusing how some get so indignant and offended, rather than getting some self-respect mustered and doing something about their health. Yes, it's your right to be a disgusting slob, knock yourself out. But just take some time to travel the world and have a look around. You'll be startled the minute you set foot back in the U.S. Americans stick out literally, like sore thumbs. Ah well, if they don't care, then who cares.....
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WB4M on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
you're gonna die when you die and there is nothing you can do about it. My dad drank like a fish, smoked like a chimney and ate the worst food.. he died at 81. Now if he had not done all of those things he might have lived to 82.. or walked out in front of a bus.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by W5TTW on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Doc! Today began like any other Saturday at my He Man Woman Hater's Club bachelor pad: with coffee in hand, I got in the shack, tuned sports on the TV, fired-up the rig and got ready to waste the day away playing radio. Then I read your post. As much as I wanted to relax in the chair, I knew that you were right. So I shut everything down and got outside for a long walk and a little antenna maintenance. I doubt that I missed anything other than the usual <FILL IN THE BLANK> QSO PARTY. Thanks for the reminder!
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KC2WI on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It may be your right to be a fat slob but with rights come responsibilities. You better be paying for very good health insurance so when you get diabetes or some other disease related to obesity the rest of us are not paying for your health care.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by AE5QB on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry! You are already paying for it. It's called Obama Care. You see, that is plan, everybody pays for everybody regardless of pre-exiting conditions or poor life habits. That was the whole idea. But step two will be Uncle Sam dictating what we can eat and do under the guise of "We are all paying for you so it is our business." Be careful what you ask for.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WB6DGN on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"by KQ9J on April 12, 2014 "Ham radio may cause blindness because you may not get enough exercise and could get diabetes. Jesus Christ, can any more nannies pop out of the woodwork? I'm gonna go have a smoke. Take that."

"Classy post."

Okay! I happen to think its right on target! In fact, I was looking for the words to respond even a little bit stronger 'cause I'm getting sick and tired of everybody and his cousin telling me what they think I "have to do" to meet THEIR idea of being fit. If their lives are so da mn ed perfect, they should write a book and make themselves some money while they're dishing out orders for the rest of us. Now, some stats.:
I'm 72YO this year; height 5' 11"; weigh nominal 180# (varies bet. 175 and 182); my waist is a loose 32" and my chest is still about 50" (in my younger years used to be 29" and 54').
I mow my own lawn (no riding mower for me, thank you very much), I walk to the grocery store (1 to 3.5mi) unless I need something in a hurry and, if I knew anyone who still enjoyed boating, I'd still be water skiing for an hour or two a day as often as I could persuade them to go with me.
AND, in spite of all this, these obnoxious "YOU SHOULD..." kinds of articles still pi** me off beyong words.
Tom
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by STRAIGHTKEY on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>You are already paying for it. It's called Obama Care. You see, that is plan, everybody pays for everybody regardless of pre-exiting conditions or poor life habits.

You were paying for it prior to Obamacare. It was called uninsured patients. Anytime you as an insured American received healthcare, your healthcare bills subsidized the uninsured. But somehow making the uninsured step up, take responsibility, and buy insurance has been successfully characterized in the minds of 'mericans as an assault on freedom. Meanwhile the rest of the world with true universal healthcare with lower costs and better outcome statistics laughs at the US. And a primary tenet of Obamacare, the individual mandate, was originally a right wing idea.
 
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by WB6DGN on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"I'm 60 years old and have had a good life. I am not diabetic but I am hypoglycemic which requires similar diet control. I am overweight and I know it. But you know what, I don't give a crap. I made it to 60 so if I die tomorrow instead of living to 80 or 90 who the hell cares. Worry about the guy who drops over from a heart attack at 28. Now that is getting screwed in life! I've enjoyed my life, seen a great deal, and accomplished much. If I die tomorrow, I am OK with it. The leading cause of death, in my opinion, is worrying about the leading causes of death. Quit worrying so freakin much and enjoy whatever you want to do. If you want to die weighing 300 lbs go for it and have another pizza. Take comfort in knowing you just created a job for a couple of extra pallbearers. Now worry about yourself if you want to worry and quit telling others what they need to do. We know it already!"

+1 +1 +1

I don't do the things I do because I (falsely) believe that it will give me even an extra minute of life. I do the things I described above because I ENJOY doing them. I've always been an active person as long as I can remember and that doesn't seem to have changed. I am not so vain that I believe that I can tell someone else how to live. I am absolutely certain that karma would rear its all-knowing head and point out to me that I don't have all the answers either. So...I just shut up and do what I enjoy doing, at least until I encounter a sermon like the above; then I just don't seem to be able to shut up.
Tom
 
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by KU2US on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
HUH??? I am 6 foot tall. Divide by 2 and that = waist size! My waist size should be 30"?? NO WAY! My waist size is 34.. OR 72" divided by 2 = 36".. I just cant see it-LOL!
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by AE5QB on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Frankly I don't give a flip what other countries think of us or me. I am sick and tired of people using that as an argument. If these other countries are so freakin great, why is there not a mass exodus from the USA to those countries? And I don't give a flip whose idea it was in the beginning. But you are correct about payers subsidizing nonpayers right now. Why? Because the freakin government says we have to - duh! Just another case in which the government tells free enterprise doctors and hospitals what they can and can't do. Do you really want people to lead healthier lives? Then let the free market work. When the fat slobs have to pay full market price for BP and diabetes drugs, then maybe they'll be motivated to get their fat asses out of the chair. Or better yet, let a doctor or an emergency room refuse service because a patient isn't taking responsibility for their health, and you might see a change in a few freaking attitudes. The reason we are unhealthy is because we can be and it doesn't create enough pain financially or medically to make us change.

The facts of what is happening in healthcare speak for themselves. Costs are going up, not down, those losing insurance far outnumber those gaining insurance. Those who choose not to pay premiums will continue to not pay premiums and will still get services. And a large majority of Americans, democrats and republicans alike, have come to see it as the power grab that it is and don't like it. And I mean and overwhelming majority. The whole plan had nothing to do with providing healthcare, hell they didn't even care what was in it, and everything to do with taking control of the economy and our lives.

Again, I don't need no flippin politician or doctor to tell me what I need to do. Look at it this way, if my poor lifestyle leads to my premature death than that is a win for Obamacare and you because you won't have to pay for my healthcare when I am 90 years old and back in diapers. Oh wait, you won't have to pay anyway because the government will say, "You've had a good enough life, time for us to give you end of life counseling and take you off the plan." I say again, get the freakin' government out of our lives and people will learn to make better decisions on their own. Or they can continue to make bad decisions and take responsibility for those decisions. I don't need you or any corrupt politician to tell me what is right or healthy or to control any other aspect of my life.
 
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by WB6DGN on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"HUH??? I am 6 foot tall. Divide by 2 and that = waist size! My waist size should be 30"?? NO WAY! My waist size is 34.. OR 72" divided by 2 = 36".. I just cant see it-LOL!"

6' is 72 inches. 72" divided by 2 is 36" According to that monkey business then, your waist size shouldn't exceed 36". A VERY liberal criteria in my opinion.
Tom
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WB6DGN on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"If these other countries are so freakin great, why is there not a mass exodus from the USA to those countries?"

It HAS started quite a few years ago and I have no doubt that, if one were to view the statistics, its growing at a considerable rate. So much so, in fact, that some countries are limiting or talking about limiting immigration and the requirements for doing so are becoming more stringent. I believe that its going to continue to get more difficult for Americans to immigrate as time goes on as well it should.
Tom
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WB6DGN on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I have a very good friend who had to undergo open heart surgery last October. It involved a very painful recovery as he got a massive post-operative infection and had to endure three or four more operations to get the effects of that under control.
After he finally recovered enough to be out and about, we met for lunch. As was his previous habit, he insisted on going to one of the more infamous burger joints instead of one of the many nice family restaurants in our area that I prefer.
Having been just a couple months since his painful recovery, I reminded him that he could well be back for an encore if he didn't change his habits.
His reply was something to the effect of "what is the sense of living if you can't do the things you enjoy doing?". Well, I just shut up; I didn't have an answer to that question.
Tom
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>if my poor lifestyle leads to my premature death than that is a win for Obamacare and you because you won't have to pay for my healthcare when I am 90 years old and back in diapers.

Not really. 50% of healthcare costs occur in the last six months of life, and most of the time families insist that all measures be taken to extend life, and we have more technology (costly technology) to do it today. Keeping a fat unhealthy slob alive for six months is more costly than a fairly healthy 90 year old in diapers dying in his sleep one night. Premature death by stepping in front of a bus is much more economically beneficial.

>Oh wait, you won't have to pay anyway because the government will say

Also known as the mythical Palin "death panel"...
 
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by NX5MK on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
There is no need to consider hamming and (mild) physical exercise as contradictory. Just go RaDAR!
https://plus.google.com/communities/109283065808971118728
Rapid Deployment Amateur Radio is a concept formulated by Eddie ZS6BNE. Read more about it under above link. RaDAR is a concept, an active group and it also has a contest which just spanned 4 continents on the first Saturday of April. 73 de NX5MK
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 12, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Or better yet, let a doctor or an emergency room refuse service because a patient isn't taking responsibility for their health, and you might see a change in a few freaking attitudes

Please, be my guest and promote denying healthcare to those who make bad choices and letting them die on hospital steps. Shout it from the tops of the hills. Conservative Christians will oppose it on religious and Biblical grounds. Liberals will oppose it because it goes against human welfare beliefs. Moderates will think it's nuts. Only Libertarians will support it, but that's because they are only concerned with themselves and their bank accounts.
 
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by M6ECG on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I love ham radio and I like to get on air nearly every day if I can and using my great interest and love of radio is the habit I have tied my daily exercise to. How did I do that? I took up Rapid Deployment Amateur Radio, RaDAR for short. What's that? It's about moving around in your local area setting up your station, making a few contacts and then collapsing everything down and moving to a new place to set it up and start making contacts all over again! Mad eh? Well, maybe but it's fantastically good fun, it' can be quite a challenge but most importantly it benefits my health by making me do exercise I otherwise probably wouldn't do.

Why don't you try it? You Have nothing to lose other than a few pounds and everything to gain ... better health and more time on the bands! What's not to like!

I have photos, videos and write ups about my own RaDAR adventures on my QRZ page:
http://www.qrz.com/db/M6ECG

or check out Greg Lane, N4KGL's blog

http://www.n4kgl.info/2013/07/rapid-deployment-amateur-radio-radar.html

or go direct to Rapid Deployment Amateur Radio Google+ Group.

Happy radio and good health everyone, 73 de Lucy :)
 
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by ONAIR on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The solution is simple! Wireless headset. Talk over the air while you are walking all over your house and yard!
 
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by VK4TJF on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I knew a ham who was in great shape as he was bicycle mobile most of the time.
He died tragically hit by a car.
I knew a keen SOTA operator who also was in great shape scaling the highest of mountains.
He too died, of exposure.
lesson is don't get too high and don't ride a bicycle in the fast lane during rush hour.
also remeber to cut ur toe nails and change your underwear.
you never know when yu will run into a toe sucking nymphomaniac that loves extra large aging men that love to play with knobs
 
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by N4OI on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting thread! A couple of suggestions from the peanut gallery. Yes, we all need to be ready go. Healthy or not, we are all terminal.

First and foremost, check out Billy Graham's pure message of the Gospel and make your decision... as pointed out above, even tanned joggers get hit by a bus now and then. Where do you want to spend eternity?

Suggestion number 2: Try more than just one hobby. I am interested in a lot of cool stuff but limit myself to just four: (a) ham radio [duh!}, (b) mountain biking, (c) traditional woodworking, and (d) bass fishing (not the tin boat, head down, staring to the end of your pole kind). Of course, the hobby thing is personal preference. I could add radio controlled modeling, vintage car restoration, backpacking, or motorcycling, etc.

And to me the hobbies are only fun if the important things are in place: home life with wife and family, relationships with friends (if you need these, try being friendly), giving time and resources to help people and causes in areas you care about.

And just to be clear... these are some thoughts off the top of my head for this topic... Please disregard if it does not resonate with the way you cut your wire... Not a judgment or indictment here... Just saying'

73
 
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by K1CJS on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I look at life in this way. When it's your time to go, you're gonna go. And it makes no difference whether you want to or not, whether you take extra pains to exercise or not--or whether you sit in a scooter, lazy and overweight and gulp down inordinate amounts of fats and sugars or are the fittest and trimmest person on earth!

When it's your time to meet your maker, you're gonna meet him---LIKE IT OR NOT!
 
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by AE5QB on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"I believe that its going to continue to get more difficult for Americans to immigrate as time goes on as well it should."

No doubt more difficult than it is to get into this country.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@straightkey

Just because you call the Obumercare Death Panels mythical does not mean they do not exist. They DO exist, and they WILL decide who lives and dies.
 
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by AE5QB on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Also known as the mythical Palin "death panel"... "

No not really, I don't like that term because it elicits images of a group of people reporting to work every day to review individual cases and decide who gets treatment and who doesn't. That isn't at all the way it works. It is called "rationing of scarce resources." We are already seeing doctors leaving the practice and refusing to take new medicare patients. Fewer doctors means less access to healthcare. Don't believe it, ask our good friends to the North and those across the pond. There is a reason people come to the U.S. for care rather than staying in their countries which provide mediocre services. I will say it is mediocre services to everyone and I guess that is the goal right. Mediocre services to everyone, great care to no one. Anyone who has been in the military knows what rationed services looks like. I would like to hear what the good doctor who started this thread thinks of the whole Obamacare. So far not one that I have talked to thinks it is a good thing for medicine or for Americans.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@N4OI

Billy Graham is part and parcel of the Emerging Church and the Ecumenical Movement.

Graham's hypocrisy was in full view, when he failed to call out Bill Clinton on his extra marital affairs. Why? Because that would spell an end to the celebrity photo ops and grandiose visits to the White House.
 
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by K8QV on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Does every stinking thread have to turn into a religious and political platform? Discussions about this hobby don't benefit from anyone's views on Jesus and Obama. Sheesh.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Just because you call the Obumercare Death Panels mythical does not mean they do not exist. They DO exist, and they WILL decide who lives and dies.

Of course they do, and so do unicorns.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Anyone who has been in the military knows what rationed services looks like.

Anyone who had health insurance prior to Obamacare knows what rationed service looked like. How quickly people forget about being denied coverage by their insurance company and having to go through legal battles, especially those in HMOs. It just wasn't called "rationed care", it was called capitalism. At least with Obamacare pre-existing conditions are covered and insurance companies can't drop you when you get sick. Those facts don't get much airplay.
 
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by AE5QB on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Not really. 50% of healthcare costs occur in the last six months of life, and most of the time families insist that all measures be taken to extend life, and we have more technology (costly technology) to do it today. Keeping a fat unhealthy slob alive for six months is more costly than a fairly healthy 90 year old in diapers dying in his sleep one night. Premature death by stepping in front of a bus is much more economically beneficial."

You are missing the point and using the same old argument of, "What you do affects my cost so therefore I have a right to regulate what you do." You see, if it cost more to take care of fat people until they have their heart attack, you aren't going to stop them from being fat by telling them they have to be skinny because it is costing you too much. You make them get skinny by making them foot every penny of the cost to take care of them and making it worth their while to change their habits. Then everybody wins. Leave me the hell alone, I don't need you, a doctor, or some slimy politician telling me what I need to do or eat under the umbrella of it is costing you money. If that were the case there would be no illegal immigration, food stamps, Obama phones, WIC cards, or anything of the sort because the lifestyle choices of those folks are sure costing all of us a hell of a lot of money. Apply your logic there and start telling people without means of support to stop having children and stop mooching off the rest of us. Stop telling people they are too stupid to make their own decisions. We don't need a nanny state telling us what we should be doing. I am appalled at the number of Americans who are willing to give their liberty so easily. "To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities," right?
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>You are missing the point and using the same old argument of, "What you do affects my cost so therefore I have a right to regulate what you do."

Until we mandate hospitals deny care to those who lack insurance and personal finances, yes, I do in essence have the right to regulate what you do. As an insured citizen, I was footing the bill for uninsured patients, I was responsible for their liability and often their bad decisions. It's impractical to regulate what people put in their mouths (ignore NYC for a moment, it's nuts to outlaw soda sizes) or what exercise they get, but I can sure make them take responsibility financially. That is what the individual mandate is about. So while you may complain about loss of freedom from having to buy insurance and indirectly fund the system, if you were free to not buy insurance, I'm on the hook for your hospital bills once your money runs out, at least until I can have you denied care, which isn't going to happen.


>You make them get skinny by making them foot every penny of the cost to take care of them and making it worth their while to change their habits

Sounds good on paper, but getting someone to foot tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital bills isn't practical. The reality is they stay in the hospital long after personal finances run out and they file bankruptcy later.



>Leave me the hell alone, I don't need you, a doctor, or some slimy politician telling me what I need to do or eat under the umbrella of it is costing you money

Our arguments about financial responsibility and responsibility in general are closer than you think, we just have different ways of accomplishing it. I'm arguing your way is untenable.


>"To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities," right?

"Ancient Chinese secret, huh?" That's about as relevant a saying in this discussion. I get the message you're sending about socialism, but you need to realize that Obamacare is far from socialism. Single payer would be closer. What you're arguing for is essentially full blown Libertarianism, which is equally as untenable as full blown socialism.
 
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by AE5QB on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Am I hearing this from the same people who raise so much hell about the U.S. Government regulating the airwaves and the HOAs telling us we can't put up and antenna. Do you see the hypocrisy of it all? If you accept that the government, under the umbrella of "what you do affects my cost," can tell you how much you can eat and how much you must exercise than all is lost. Where does it end? Who decides what is acceptable regulation of your life and what is not? I suggest it is the people in charge who get that privilege and there is no end to what they will rationalize needs to be regulated. I am sorry for America. We are at the tipping point and it is people who are willing to give up their freedoms for the illusion of some security that will turn us into another also ran nation. In this case, you are willing to put your healthcare, cost, and all things related in the hands of some bureaucrats because you think you will save a nickle (not true). It has already been shown that this nationalization of health care is raising your costs not lowering them. Do you not understand that? If I can paraphrase Braveheart I think it applies here, We are so busy squabbling over the crumbs from Longshank's table that we fail to see what could be ours.
 
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by KD8NGE on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Past police paramedic and 21 year nurse here.
I'm well aware of diabetes and the toll it takes.
I performed the funeral service for my old police partner (cause of death, diabetic complications) and my best friend (cause of death, multiple strokes, renal failure and complications of long term obesity, and long term sequelae of diabetes)
One of my former partners had laser surgery for diabetic retinopathy; after the laser surgery, he can no longer drive at night.
My point?
I am more than well aware of diabetes, its causes and its sequelae, and its prevention.
My specific interventions?
Healthy diet, emphasis on luteins and zeaxanthin.
Exercise that works for me.
"Exercise" is generally disliked, it connotes pointless, socially isolated effort and is often unpleasant and boring.
If one hasn't an exercise buddy, find one.
Mine are littermate rescues: they are half Basenji, quarter Beagle and quarter Australian shepherd, this specific breed is known as "Fence Jumper" -- and they are my exercise program -- I hold both their leashes in my left hand when out and about, which means my particular exercise program has an interesting physiologic response.
My left arm is now half a foot longer than my right.
Doctor, I was given to understand that the blind in
Europe are taught CW instead of Braille: if you are concerned about the incidence of ham radio induced blindness, perhaps you may wish to promote brass pounding as a medical intervention.

 
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by KD8NGE on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Past police paramedic and 21 year nurse here.
I'm well aware of diabetes and the toll it takes.
I performed the funeral service for my old police partner (cause of death, diabetic complications) and my best friend (cause of death, multiple strokes, renal failure and complications of long term obesity, and long term sequelae of diabetes)
One of my former partners had laser surgery for diabetic retinopathy; after the laser surgery, he can no longer drive at night.
My point?
I am more than well aware of diabetes, its causes and its sequelae, and its prevention.
My specific interventions?
Healthy diet, emphasis on luteins and zeaxanthin.
Exercise that works for me.
"Exercise" is generally disliked, it connotes pointless, socially isolated effort and is often unpleasant and boring.
If one hasn't an exercise buddy, find one.
Mine are littermate rescues: they are half Basenji, quarter Beagle and quarter Australian shepherd, this specific breed is known as "Fence Jumper" -- and they are my exercise program -- I hold both their leashes in my left hand when out and about, which means my particular exercise program has an interesting physiologic response.
My left arm is now half a foot longer than my right.


 
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by W5TTW on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
KD8NGE said: "Exercise is generally disliked, it connotes pointless, socially isolated effort and is often unpleasant and boring."

Sounds a lot like some for the folks that post here!
 
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by KD8GTP on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
If Sarah says death panels exist, then by gosh they do exist, u betcha !
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Am I hearing this from the same people who raise so much hell about the U.S. Government regulating the airwaves and the HOAs telling us we can't put up and antenna

The "same" people? Since when have healthcare reform advocates rallied against FCC airwave regulations? Usually it's the conservatives complaining about a slipped breast during the Super Bowl. We're all in the same boat with HOAs, but HOAs are really a capitalist creation as they are intended to preserve property values. HOAs are not a government regulation creation, they were created by good old hard workin' property owners and real estate developers, the so called fabric of America.

>Where does it end? Who decides what is acceptable regulation of your life and what is not? I suggest it is the people in charge who get that privilege and there is no end to what they will rationalize needs to be regulated. I am sorry for America.

This is a slippery slope argument, and an emotional one at that. We have a democratic republic. Our elected officials decide what is acceptable regulation. You vote for those officials in elections. Despite your hand wringing and apocalyptic prophesies, it's setup to prevent just what you're talking about.

> In this case, you are willing to put your healthcare, cost, and all things related in the hands of some bureaucrats because you think you will save a nickle (not true). It has already been shown that this nationalization of health care is raising your costs not lowering them.

It depends on what source you look at. Furthermore it's an easy cop out to claim the government screws some things up, so they're screw this up, and (slippery slope) therefore we shouldn't have any government regulation or oversight in any area. It's the classic conservative Libertarian utopian argument. While you want to point a finger at bureaucrats, private insurance is still run by private companies, as are healthcare organizations.

>We are at the tipping point and it is people who are willing to give up their freedoms for the illusion of some security that will turn us into another also ran nation

We're already an also ran nation, most citizens just don't know it. We're something like #37 in the world in healthcare outcomes versus cost. We have more people in jail per capita than any other country. We spend more on defense than the next 20 some countries combined. Our middle class wages are stagnant while corporate productivity and profitability has increased over the past several decades. Healthcare reform versus freedom has been a convenient subterfuge for those not looking out for our interests.
 
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by K1CJS on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's an ugly circle, that argument, and an ugly thought, but those who refuse to get health insurance and take care of themselves NOW should be forced to foot their own medical bills in the future--yes, into bankruptcy AND BEYOND. Let their kids pay the bills for their self neglect. Maybe the thought of the kids having to pay their parents overblown healthcare bills in the future because of their parents self-neglect will shock those parents into taking care of themselves now. Probably not, but it's worth it to the rest of us!

The medical know-how exists now so that regular checkups and health maintenance can be accomplished easily. There are very few deceases that can't be detected early enough to be stopped, and only a few more that can't be stopped even then--with the proper care.

Another thing, warnings about stopping smoking because of cancer and breathing deceases have been on the books and told to everyone since the 1960s, yet there are still those who insist on smoking--including all too many who started smoking even after those warnings came out! The same logic applies to them--let them pay for their own bills because of smoking related illness. After all, they refuse to quit--even though today there are states where a pack of cigarettes cost $10 now!

If the person who is afflicted with these deceases has taken care of themselves during their lives, (excepting, of course, those who went against accepted health standards such as not smoking) all well and good, and by all means have the healthcare system take care of them--but if the overweight, lazy slobs who didn't take care of themselves and their health come looking for health handouts, HAVE THEM PAY TILL THEY'RE BROKE AND IN THE POORHOUSE BEFORE SPENDING ONE THIN DIME FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTHCARE FUND TO HELP THEM OUT! Those who refuse to care for their health now deserve it.
 
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by K1CJS on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Re: My last post concerning cigarettes. If the smokers who won't quit even now can afford cigarettes, they can certainly afford to foot their own health related expenses!
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@straightkey

"...and so do unicorns."

Ok, so that's your best response?
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@straightkey

Your ramblings in support of Obumercare come right from the secular progressive Democrat party narrative. You have produced no new arguments or anything of substance. Checked the polls lately? The American people are not buying the Democrat narrative. Keep trying though. Your ramblings are worth their entertainment value.
 
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by K8QV on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Do any moderators ever even try to keep out the religious and political nutbags?
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@K8QV

And you are against Free, Open, and Robust discussion?
 
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by K8AXW on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Dr. Grubbs:

Thank you for a very fine article on an extremely serious subject. My initial comment was a moment of frivolity that shouldn't have happened and for this I apologize.

Diabetes is a subject that many simply don't want to even think about, and for good reason.

I've watched two people with extreme diabetes go through literal hell, involving blindness and multiple amputations before dying.

Diabetes is a disease that affects not only the person with the problem but the whole family. My wife is a case in point.

She was diagnosed with "border-line diabetes" 30+ years ago. She "didn't want to hear that" and essentially ignored the diagnosis even though she was overweight or as she called it, "a healthy fat."

As time went on she had to start taking pills to keep her sugar levels down and then one medication would become ineffective and then she would have to change, and change and change.

Then came the insulin and the daily blood tests to check her glucose levels. Initially she was a basket case and fought it tooth and nail. However as the symptoms of her disease increased then her reluctance to stick herself and take insulin diminished.

However, her self control for eating didn't diminish. The need for more and more insulin became necessary. The it became necessary to use two kinds of insulin; fast acting and slow acting.

This presented major problems on 3 occasions when my wife got mixed up the dosages of the fast acting and slow acting insulins which required trips to the hospital for IV glucose in levels you wouldn't believe to keep from dying.

During this time she fell into the same trap that she swore she never wood. That was eating what she wanted because she wanted it and would "just take another shot." Presently her blood sugar is out of control. It's extremely high one day and then extremely low the next day or next few days.

It is now necessary for her to maintain records of her daily injections, which includes the amount of what kind so her physician can keep track of what is going on. The records also contain charts on how much insulin to take and when. Her daily injections are now 6 and sometimes 7 "if she's been bad by eating a snack before bed." It's become so complicated that she becomes very frustrated and depressed.

I mentioned that diabetes doesn't just affect the one member of the family but the whole family.

It is a constant battle; a constant vigilance, that the whole family maintains. It's "did you check your sugar?" Whenever we go out it's "did you bring your glucose tabs and or orange juice (to combat sudden drops in glucose level) and if eating is involved, "did you pack your insulin testing kit and insulin?"

It can't be left to the diabetic because quite often he/she has trouble remembering. During the night the wife/husband sleeps light because they need to be sensitive to the stirrings of the diabetic. Quit often it's necessary to bolt out of bed in the middle of the night because of a "sugar drop." When it drops suddenly to the 40s or even 30s it becomes dangerous and he diabetic requires help to get it back up because they are all but incapacitated.

As many point out here Dr. Grubbs, this is a very serious subject and worthy of the attention it's receiving. Thank you for this article.

Al - K8AXW
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Ok, so that's your best response?

No, I have much better. That message and this message is all the effort I'm willing to expend responding to you. You claim death panels exist. The burden is on you to prove they exist. Knock yourself out proving that.
 
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by W4KVU on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Need to keep the political bovine scatology out of this -------
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@straightkey

"...knock yourself out proving that."

In other words, the facts are not on your side.

 
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by K8QV on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
<<<<by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014
@K8QV

And you are against Free, Open, and Robust discussion?>>>>


Seriously? First, there is no discussion or debate, just the repetition of sound bytes from talk radio and the pulpit. Second, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.
 
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by AB7MC on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
You are very correct Sir. This is what I always mention to my friends over the 20 meter band. Do not forget to have at least every other day even a 20 minutes exercise. I do the treadmill almost avery day, bending body, push up and the like. But this is the first time I heard this height to waist calculation. I am only five feet seven inches tall. so it is 67/2 is 33.5 and my waist is 32. So I think I am safe. Thank you very much. Nice article.

73 de,
ab7mc
 
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by N9LCD on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe the League should organize ""Ham Radio Olympics" with events like:

"100-Yard Dash" carrying the venerable 3980A with all modules installed.

"Arm Curls" using the 388 or a reasonable equivalent.

"Wrist Curls" with a URM-25.

"Bench Press" with a beam antenna.

"Javelin Throw" with a vertical antenna.

"Tower Climb" -- a timed race to the top of a 100-foot tower and back down again.

N9LCD
 
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by AE5QB on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
straightkey

"Since when have healthcare reform advocates rallied against FCC airwave regulations?"

What, you turned that around my friend. I am not saying all health care advocates are complaining about the FCC, I am talking about the hams who complain, on one hand, about government (Fed or local i.e. HOA) intrusion in our lives, but then support the nationalization of our healthcare system. Get it!


This is a slippery slope argument, and an emotional one at that. We have a democratic republic. Our elected officials decide what is acceptable regulation. You vote for those officials in elections. Despite your hand wringing and apocalyptic prophesies, it's setup to prevent just what you're talking about.

Yeah well tell me that what is happening in DC today is a representative government. The use of Executive privilege to circumvent the law and is not what the constitution provides for and obamacare would not have passed if the administration had not bought off congressmen. You are correct that they will answer to the electorate. And I hope that the electorate sends a message to all incumbents in the next two elections.

It depends on what source you look at.

Sorry it doesn't. Any source including the OMB indicates costs are going up. Ask your neighbor what has happened to health cost. I believe the last number was 33% in the past 2 years. By the way, are YOU now paying less than you did before obamacare? I didn't think so. That was the promise, remember. $2500 less per year per family.

Healthcare reform versus freedom has been a convenient subterfuge for those not looking out for our interests.

Subterfuge? No? Focal point? Yes! It is a major issue that, with the stroke of a pen, has moved a third of our economy from private to government control. That is a pretty big deal in my book. And certainly not was intended when the constitution was drafted. Look, you can rationalize anything you want. But the bottom line is the Constitution does not provide for this type of government expansion and it is an assault on personal freedom and capitalism. It must be stopped and the status quo in DC must be stopped as well. I don't care who you vote for in the upcoming elections, just don't vote for the incumbents.

As far as this not being proper discussion for this site, I would suggest that the OP's article is equally not appropriate. Just because it contains the word "Ham" in it doesn't make it a "Ham" related article. It is a health related article that should be in a health related web site.

But just to be fair, I'll state that the privileges we have as ham radio operators may be the next thing the government decides is not good for us...or should I say, is better for someone else who will help keep them in power. There, now it is ham related.

Folks speak with your votes, get rid of all the incumbents in Washington.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@K8QV

Sorry you are having a bad day.

Perhaps tomorrow will be a better day for you...
 
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by KD8SZL on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I enjoyed setting up a 2M rig on my bicycle. I have seen more than one ham with a rig poking out of a backpack on Ohio's bike trails. Please join us, it's healthy and fun at the same time. Perhaps we can turn it into a form of radio sport we can all partake in. I think the GOBA group schedules a ride around Hamvention.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!

>What, you turned that around my friend. I am not saying all health care advocates are complaining about the FCC, I am talking about the hams who complain, on one hand, about government (Fed or local i.e. HOA) intrusion in our lives, but then support the nationalization of our healthcare system. Get it!

Got it, but realize that HOAs are not government intrusion in our lives. They are contracts between private entities. I can't say I've met many hams who are in favor of Obamacare. Ironically most of these guys are on Medicare.


>Yeah well tell me that what is happening in DC today is a representative government. The use of Executive privilege to circumvent the law and is not what the constitution provides for and obamacare would not have passed if the administration had not bought off congressmen.

You serious? The vote was straight down party lines. If the administration "bought off" Democrats, that would have been the biggest waste of cash in history. They were all voting for it anyway.


>Sorry it doesn't. Any source including the OMB indicates costs are going up. Ask your neighbor what has happened to health cost. I believe the last number was 33% in the past 2 years. By the way, are YOU now paying less than you did before obamacare? I didn't think so. That was the promise, remember. $2500 less per year per family.

I had a minor increase in my employer provided insurance. It wasn't anywhere near 33%, more like 5% and some copay increases. The cost and copays were going up most ever year prior to Obamacare. I do realize that others, mainly those self-employed with plans that didn't meet requirements took a big hit. However, they had lousy plans to begin with.


>Subterfuge? No? Focal point? Yes! It is a major issue that, with the stroke of a pen, has moved a third of our economy from private to government control.

Wrong. That's an often repeated myth. That figure includes private insurance and private healthcare organizations. They're quite simply not under government control.


>That is a pretty big deal in my book. And certainly not was intended when the constitution was drafted.

Did health insurance even exist when the Constitution was written?


>Look, you can rationalize anything you want. But the bottom line is the Constitution does not provide for this type of government expansion and it is an assault on personal freedom and capitalism. It must be stopped and the status quo in DC must be stopped as well.

The Constitution does. The powers of Congress are set forth in the Constitution. The ACA was drafted and approved by Congress. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not constitutional.

How is it an assault on capitalism? All the insurance and healthcare providers are still private, the insurance companies get to compete in exchanges for business, and healthcare organizations still set pricing which is essentially whatever the market or patient will bear.

You can opt out of the individual mandate by either paying the relatively meager penalty on your taxes, or be entirely exempt based on religious beliefs. If that isn't personal freedom, I'm not sure what is. And you will still get free healthcare on my dime if you show up at a hospital without insurance.
 
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by W5TTW on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K8VQ said: "Do any moderators ever even try to keep out the religious and political nutbags?"

They allow people to post anonymously, so why would you think that the mods would care about what is said? I wish that there was an ignore option.
 
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by KB2DHG on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yea, your right we all need more excersize...
How about Bicycle moble?

 
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by W5TTW on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ Said: "And you are against Free, Open, and Robust discussion?"

How does one have an "Open" discussion with someone that hides their identity?
 
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by VE6TL on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Many valid points - especially that diabetes is a growing epidemic everywhere, including China. It is not just limited to ham radio operators, although we do know that sitting for long periods of time contributes to the shortening of one's life. Many years ago, the British did a study in London. They looked at the life spans of bus drivers and the ticket takers who worked on the same buses. As they were both exposed to the same environment, the significant difference was that the drivers sat all day, while the ticket takers walked up and down the bus, taking tickets. On average, the ticket takers lived 20 years longer than the drivers. One very plausible explanation is that our immune system is largely controlled by the lymph system, which has no muscles or means of dispersing chemicals to the rest of the body. It relies on movement to function properly. The good news is that it doesn't require daily rigorous workouts, but it does mean that lack of insufficient exercise is harmful. The right level of exercise is something that each person must determine for themselves.

As for ham radio contesting, one of the biggest crimes is calling it "radio sport". It is anti-sport, as you would be hard-pressed to think of an activity that uses up fewer calories over a weekend, other than perhaps being in a coma. The CW and digital contests are the worst, as you can even feed your face while pressing function keys. At least in the phone contests, you have to expend a bit of energy talking into the mic (assuming you don't use digitally synthesized audio). I should know, as I've done my share of contesting. But after realizing that I'm never going to have these weekends back, I'm now doing far less contesting and enjoying the outdoors a lot more.
 
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by K4PIH on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The typical ham, an obese diabetic on disability, who sits behind his mic 24/7, bragging about how many countries he has confirmed, what his latest contest scores are (after cheating), and how expensive his ham gear is. Rolling out of the shack for dinner, he will wolf down the greasy pork chops and steaks his xyl made, then return for a fun evening of participating in his favorite radio wars and spinning lies about his heroic military service. Calling ham radio a taxpayer supported sedentary hobby is an understatement.

JOHNZ,

Just so you know ... I'm not your "typical ham" I'm a few pounds over but not obese by any means. I'm not diabetic nor on disability. I don't sit behind my mic 24/7, in fact due to other "things" in life I have not fired up my gear for the past week. My hame gear expensive? I'm not sure what an old Swan 270 is worth these days. I always ham on the least amount of $$ I can, makes me appreciat things more, and I could care less about contests or scores. My XYL is very health conscience and prepares healthy meals. Radio war's? I spent 22 years in the military conducting real radio wars. My Heroic sevice spanned the globe and included the 1st Gulf war and Kosovo opertations, all the while defending your right to get on a blog and whine. Taxpayer supported? I sure wish the taxpayers had bought me my gear, in fact they should have since I and others, including you, have already paid for it.

73's, hope to see you at some fest in the future.
 
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by RSHIRE22 on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I think everyone should make up and use a fictitious callsign. What could the fcc do?

Ban the ionosphere?

Arrest everybody?

Confiscate radios?

Will the hobbly go to hell in a handbasket? It's already there. Call it civil disobedience like Mahatma Ghandi used. There's probably little time left (esp for those over 300 lbs) so what's the problem. Our current leader is the most corrupt sob ever so why should he and is cronnies get away with it when you HAVE to obey stupid rules?
 
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by K8QV on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Apparently ham radio not only can cause blindness, but stupidity as well.

Seriously, this site needs moderation.
 
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by KI4ADS on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Wow. What a terrible title for the article. It's a cheap tactic to get someone to read your article by using a misleading title and scare tactics.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>How does one have an "Open" discussion with someone that hides their identity?

If someone is not arguing or making a point from a position of authority, identity or lack thereof is irrelevant. To me you're four letters and a number. If I look you up in a callbook, you're someone living probably in one of six states, but still a faceless callsign. My identity is the words I write and positions I take. You're the same to me. If you claim to be the president of an organization, a politician, or a notable scientist or engineer, your identity might become relevant, otherwise it's of no concern to me or others, from an objective point of view.

>I wish that there was an ignore option.

You have the option to ignore.
 
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by K4PIH on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, this site does need some serious moderation.

I say Troll!
 
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by W1JKA on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
For a change of pace consider switching over to the "Misc.Forum" under Name the Caption Topic, so far no politics/religion and no one has gone blind, just plain old fun while waiting for the bands to open.
 
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by RSHIRE22 on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's amazing how many writers state they don't care about the thread then they type for twenty minutes espewing everything that bothers them about everything everyone else types. Another definition of insanity. You refuse to see your own insanity?
 
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by RSHIRE22 on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
People are mostly scum. Show me the brightest, most intellegent succeeder and I'll show you a brown nose fake. The problem is bad people are genuinely bad and the good people are phonies.
So the bad people are better people.

That's the problem. Once you figure that out life becomes much easier.

RS
aka VU2SR, BY3JMA.
 
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by RSHIRE22 on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The people you like and who like you are putting you on. If they we're honest they would tell you the truth. Instead they lie to you as you lie to them. You blow smoke up each others rear ends.
You are all your wife could find. Your kids will run away at 16 if they are not tied up in the basement
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>I say Troll!

Verb or noun?
 
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by JOHNZ on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W5TTW

Google "Free Open and Robust discussion." You will find many lengthy definitions that will do a far better job of educating you than I could.

If one does not have a "call sign," what do you expect them to use? And if you say your real name, then you don't have a clue as to the dangers of the internet. For that same reason, many hams are now listing their official address with the government as a Post Office Box. We live in a dangerous world. Ever monitor some of the radio wars on HF? That alone will illustrate why certain people need to be kept at arm's length.


 
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by RSHIRE22 on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Have you been hurt, taken advantage of in life and love. Been screwed on ebay. You are gullible, stupid, or at least misguided. You were destroyed by your mother who you trusted when she told you you were special while your father hated you out of jealousy. All because of that lie you see everything and everyone upside down.

But you have time to figure it out before you're dead although you will never change it but you still may become someone more worthwhile like turning manure to fertilizer. You've got to wake up first and stop blaming and hating someone else for everything that was your own fault because you believed the lie. So wake up and look at yourself or die. Stop wasting your life playing with crap like hobbies and everything you use to run away.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@K4PIH

Discussing factual information is not "whining."

Nobody forced you into military service. You volunteered, so maybe you should not "whine." When I reached military age, I did not have a choice like you did. We had something back then called the Selective Service Act (The Draft).

We temporarily gave up some of our rights, in order to protect the rights of our fellow citizens. Comes with the territory, we never complained about it, so don't consider yourself as the first military person that ever protected your fellow citizens' rights.
 
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by W5HEH on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Good info and comments ! The one about more Gov't controls - was that serious or a Joke ? I laughed anyways. Ok, i am a big boned typical overweight for the Romanian Old time Fur Traders that we came from - we all last till 70s then poof , our lease on life is expired . I was in great shape my whole life till i broke a foot ,saving a little lady from a large steel locker falling on Her- yes it fell on my Foot ! hihi, i can laugh now but Hell it hurt and sounded like Lightening .BAMM. hihi. Ok i am manning up, i recently bought a nice large Framed Backpack and plan to fill it up soon and do some SOTA activations- the XYL will kill me for spending 150.00 , but will agree as i get more exercise ,trouble is when i lose weight i will have to fight off the XLs again ! hihi . This is a wonderful Hobby and i do not think we should be so hard on each other ,rather make Friends and Party ! hihi.
 
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by W5TTW on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ wrote: "If one does not have a "call sign," what do you expect them to use?"

Well sir, when I read the negative "People Suck" babble that most of the non-call sign users post, I wonder why they are permitted here. Their ramblings have nothing to do with the hobby. I used to faithfully subscribe to this site, but not anymore.
 
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by AF5DN on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The majority of this could be cut and paste from WebMD.
I am only sorry I wasted my time reading it.
 
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by K8QV on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I don't get it. This is a ham radio site. Hams have call signs. In a sane world, wouldn't a valid call be required in order to post?

As with most threads here, this one cries out for a moderator's hammer of doom. Nothing can stay on topic for more than a handful of posts, then the religious right, Obamaphobes, right wing talk radio junkies, teabaggers, secessionists, doomsday preppers, Jesus freaks and other nutters take over.

I guess there aren't any moderators here. If so, you probably won't hear from them simply by ruining a topic or driving away supporters. Not sure what it might take. Don't care anymore.
 
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by N1KDO on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Can I do it until I need glasses?
 
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by W5QDF on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Diagnosed with Diabetes in Lubbock, TX way back in 1963 while in the first grade.

With education and constant vigilance 50 years later I am healthy, have all my digits and still have most of my vision(can drive a car legally).

Yes I have had to have Laser Surgery for the retinopathy which has cost me some peripheral vision and a little bit of night blindness.

I agree with the Doctor, exercise people. Look around at your next hamfest and what will you see? A lot of overweight people talking about their next meal.

I walk as often as possible, stand as much as possible. Standing burns calories and can be worked into your fitness plan.

Stay healthy, we loose way too many hams early because they wont stand up.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@K8QV

That is quite a laundry list of people that you take exception to.

In reviewing the entire thread, I found only one instance of a cuss word, when KQ9J used the B.S. word.

There were no nasty personal attacks and no threats.

All in all, this thread was far more vanilla than the typical late night 75 meter round table. How about the 20 meter wars, if you want to see some demented hams?

Naw, this thread was just a slightly heated QSO. And hams DO discuss many topics on and off the air.
 
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by K9MHZ on April 14, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The Dayton Hamvention Mini Marathon may get cancelled due to lack of interest. That's to be IN the race, not standing along the route with an HT gobbling up jelly doughnuts. The Scooter Grand Prix is still on, though. 5 volt entries will start first, higher voltage models will perform staggered starts accordingly. Special multipliers will be given in the contest.....scooter payloads in excess of 350 pounds will receive max points. Barring any mechanical issues such as overheated motors or busted axles, the race should be finished by lunch time. Plan accordingly.

 
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by NN3W on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>As for ham radio contesting, one of the biggest crimes is calling it "radio sport". It is anti-sport, as you would be hard-pressed to think of an activity that uses up fewer calories over a weekend, other than perhaps being in a coma. The CW and digital contests are the worst, as you can even feed your face while pressing function keys. At least in the phone contests, you have to expend a bit of energy talking into the mic (assuming you don't use digitally synthesized audio). I should know, as I've done my share of contesting. But after realizing that I'm never going to have these weekends back, I'm now doing far less contesting and enjoying the outdoors a lot more.<<

Actually, if you go to Dayton, probably the fittest group of hams out there are the contesters. Many of them are competitive not only in amateur circles but outside activity (marathons, bike races, car racing, etc.). Goes with being successful and a Type "A" personality.

 
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by K8QV on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
<<<All in all, this thread was far more vanilla than the typical late night 75 meter round table.>>>

The difference is that this is not open discussion/argument/soapbox in an informal radio chat. The threads each have a topic and address a specific related to ham radio. Other website forums try to keep people on topic so when we see a topic headline we know what the thread's about. Personal views on religion and politics are not relevant to the subject at hand. There are other places people can go to spout their views and spread their propaganda. It just seems a waste of time and bandwidth to allow anyone, even those without a callsign, to drone on about their amazing insights and Truths when the subject should be our common interest; amateur radio. Perhaps these people could start their own threads about Obama, Jesus, etc. and the reader would then at least know what topic was being "discussed" in that thread. I don't care if you want to say "Obama sucks" or "Obama is great" or "Jesus is coming tomorrow" or "Allah will be avenged" over and over and over - but is this really the place for it?
 
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by K4PIH on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ,

I turned in my draft card when I signed up. You are an idiot.

2 points:

There needs to be moderation.
Members should have a valid FCC license to join.

You either don't have a call sign, are ashamed to use it/expired, or afraid to use it. All three should get you banned from the site.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@K8QV

And "diabetes" is related to ham radio?

It is a health topic, and many things, like Obama's socialized health care, politics, spiritual treatments, holistic remedies, the bad health habits of hams, etc are all related to the topic.

You know, this reminds me of a ham radio repeater. Each repeater has its own "rules," which in turn establish the character of that particular repeater, and that in turn dictates how busy the repeater will be, meaning how many hams enjoy talking on it. Some repeater owners enforce a strict rotation policy and will discipline someone who times out their repeater. Some repeater owners will ban a person over a trivial matter. Soon, the reputation of that repeater becomes established in the local ham community, and hams make a decision as to whether they want to support and/or talk on a particular repeater. If potty mouth language is permitted on a repeater, decent hams will avoid it. If another repeater has a reputation for lively friendly discussions, and everyone is welcome, that repeater soon becomes the most popular busiest repeater in town. See where I am going with this? You can make a decision to stay or leave, while at the same time, the owner can exert his authority in the way he sees fit. Like I said, if there are no nasty personal attacks, no profanity, no threats, etc, then let the QSO roll wherever it wants to to. However, that is my opinion, and I am not the owner here. The owner gets the final say.
 
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by W5TTW on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K8QV wrote: "I don't get it. This is a ham radio site. Hams have call signs. In a sane world, wouldn't a valid call be required in order to post?"

I won't send eHam another dime until they prevent the non-hams from hijacking these forums.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@K4PIH

Don't you agree there is a better way to explain your military service than to resort to name calling?

The draft ended on January 27, 1973. The military actions you quoted and claimed to have participated in were long after the draft ended. Your QRZ listing states you served 22 years and retired from active duty in 2000. Doing the math, that means you VOLUNTARILY joined the military in 1978, long after the draft ended. My military service was not my choice. I received a draft notice from Uncle Sam in the 1960s. Like I said, I had no choice. You did have a choice, and you volunteered to serve. My choice was to run to Canada or serve. I chose to serve, in Viet Nam.

Whether you had a draft card or not is irrelevant. That card only certified you had registered with the Selective Service. After 1973, the U.S. military became All Vol (all volunteer).
 
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by KG4NEL on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I can't think properly unless I get up and move every so often during the day. Some in my office have a standing desk - I've thought about that, although I don't know if I'm quite coordinated enough for a treadmill desk :-P

Out of work, I have a goal of finishing my first marathon by 30, under 4 hours. Did my first half last year under 2, and just started this year's racing season with an easy 5K last weekend :)
 
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by KV5I on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Can I do it until I need eye glasses?
 
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by WB4M on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!

There needs to be moderation.
Members should have a valid FCC license to join.

I totally agree.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@WB4M

Do you think people without a call sign but who are interested in ham radio should be prohibited from participating in ham radio club meetings?

 
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by W5TTW on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ wrote: "Do you think people without a call sign but who are interested in ham radio should be prohibited from participating in ham radio club meetings?"

They would be welcome attend, but not participate in club discussion. They can sit quietly and LISTEN. If they tried to hijack a club meeting like they hijack these forums, they would be thrown out.
 
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by K9MHZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Last year at Dayton, a plus-sized ham on a scooter tried to take the hill just outside the building, presumably for some tree shade. Didn't happen. Scooter and ham came 'a tumblin' back down. He laid on the pavement sprawled out like a beached whale, and everyone around just looked on with WTF? written on their faces. The EMTs came up and just looked at him and asked: "OK Hoss, what's up?"

So, scooter renters beware, your luxury hamfest ride might not have as much power as you might think. And don't forget to preprogram that HT to spring ARES into action in case you get hung up.



 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>If they tried to hijack a club meeting like they hijack these forums, they would be thrown out.

What about those with callsigns who hijack these forums or post dumb things? Or is it OK as long as you ID?

Any club that gets participation in a meeting discussion from a non-ham should thank their lucky stars. Those are prospective members and future leaders, something ham radio needs more of.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>So, scooter renters beware, your luxury hamfest ride might not have as much power as you might think. And don't forget to preprogram that HT to spring ARES into action in case you get hung up.

We need a Q signals "ham down" and "overturned scooter".
 
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by K4PIH on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ,

At least you can do some basic math. I had the same card as you. I became eligable in the late 60's but never got called by the draft. Turned it in when I joined later in life. The current law says any male upon reaching 18 is required to carry a service card. My son just got his. Thank you for your service even tho you complain about it.

Done with you and that topic.

Yes any interested person should attend local ham meetings and get to know the hams in their area. Yes they should be able to log into sites and read all they can. I don't think they should be allowed to participate in the forum areas until they have an active FCC callsign. They let people buy and read all about NASCAR, but they don't let them drive unless they are qualified. I think that those that jump in and won't reveal their true motive and are not qualified should be banned from sites. I see policies on a lot of other sites that require seom type of verification.
 
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by K4PIH on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ,

At least you can do some basic math. I had the same card as you. I became eligable in the late 60's but never got called by the draft. Turned it in when I joined later in life. The current law says any male upon reaching 18 is required to carry a service card. My son just got his. Thank you for your service even tho you complain about it.

Done with you and that topic.

Yes any interested person should attend local ham meetings and get to know the hams in their area. Yes they should be able to log into sites and read all they can. I don't think they should be allowed to participate in the forum areas until they have an active FCC callsign. They let people buy and read all about NASCAR, but they don't let them drive unless they are qualified. I think that those that jump in and won't reveal their true motive and are not qualified should be banned from sites. I see policies on a lot of other sites that require seom type of verification.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W5TTW

I think you just "hijacked" the question that I asked WB4M to answer.

Nevertheless, so, according to your rules, a newcomer to a ham club should just sit there and stay quiet?

Perhaps when club business is being discussed and votes are required, only actual members should speak and vote, but you say ALL newcomers should be quiet at all times?

Errr, that is a club I see as never growing and just fading away. In my club, we strongly encourage newcomers to speak.
 
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by WB8NUT on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Might be a good idea to ban scooters at hamfests - especially Dayton. First, most of the time the people I see on them are grossly overweight and desperately in need of exercise and simple physical movement; and second, the things are dangerous to the health of others. Most of the time the people driving don't care and just run into you in a crowd. Best to just get rid of them.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I think they do let newcomers speak at NASCAR meetings. Much the same as ham radio, how can anyone get more interested and learn about NASCAR, if they are not allowed to speak?

As far as the analogy of not letting someone operate a NASCAR without proper credentials, of course, that is a legal and safety issue. The same goes for ham radio. The government says you need a license to operate a ham radio transmitter. However, the government does not require a ham radio license to participate in an internet ham radio discussion.
 
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by WI0T on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K9MHZ wrote:

"...Last year at Dayton, a plus-sized ham on a scooter
tried to take the hill just outside the building,
presumably for some tree shade. Didn't happen. Scooter
and ham came 'a tumblin' back down. He laid on the
pavement sprawled out like a beached whale..."

I didn't see this, but I saw several "plus-sized" people
in scooters try to get up that hill. Only one succeeded
"on his own". He had to zig-zag left to right up the
hill...All the rest either gave up and turned back or
required someone to push their scooter up the hill.

Rod
 
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by K9MHZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
<G>

Yep, always good to have a strategy figured out ahead of time.
 
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by W5TTW on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ wrote: "So, according to your rules, a newcomer to a ham club should just sit there and stay quiet?"

That is correct. If you are not a member of the club, you are a GUEST at the meeting. Polite guests keep their mouths shut until they are invited to participate in a conversation. Otherwise, they are infringing upon the member's valuable meeting time.

If y'all spent 1/10th of the time that you spend posting here on studying for the license exam, you'd be licensed in no time. Put up or shut up.

 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W5TTW

Wow, that's an interesting club you attend! So, do you instruct the newcomers as they come in the door that they are to remain silent the entire time they are present? That's very intimidating and very scary to a newcomer. Do you allow them to at lest introduce themselves, or is that prohibited too?

Exactly what is it that you would like me to "put up"?



 
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by W5TTW on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ, good luck and good health to you. I don't work non-licensed people on the air, and I'll no longer work them here. 73
 
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by MM0IMC on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Most contesters I personally know are obese... Speaks volumes!
 
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by MM0IMC on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Most contesters I personally know are obese... Speaks volumes!
 
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by WB4M on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Do you think people without a call sign but who are interested in ham radio should be prohibited from participating in ham radio club meetings? "

No, they should be allowed to participate if they want, but use their real name.
 
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by JOHNZ on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@WB4M

Absolutely, not using a legal name on a Form 610 is not a good idea. Moreover, if the new guy writes a check for his membership dues, lets hope he is using his legal name.
 
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by WO7R on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>> Got it, but realize that HOAs are not government intrusion in our lives. They are contracts between private entities.

Not really.

In Arizona, there is an entirely informal arrangement that is none-the-less ironclad as any law whereby any new development that isn't way out in rural areas (e.g. zoned for agriculture or horses) _will_ have an HOA attached to it. Government here uses it to cheap out and avoid services like street lights that it can push off onto the HOA. So, there's plenty of government meddling in what is ostensibly an agreement between private parties. In Red State Arizona, no less.

To get your development approved, or so my Realtor told me, your HOA has to magically contain all kinds of stuff. And, you have to have one to start with.

And anyone who wants to argue the constitutionality of HOAs and what the government can or cannot do needs to read up on the expansion of the Commerce Clause before commenting. Government has basically signed up to meddle in HOAs (and does, with things like "fly your flag" laws) for decades now.
 
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by W3VVV on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Another way to exercise while enjoying electronics is by riding an exercise bike while watching EEVblog and other electronics videos on YouTube.
 
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by N0AH on April 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe we all should just keep a ham radio forum just that-
 
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by K9MHZ on April 16, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
MM0IMC, I don't know if you intended that to be funny, but that was actually pretty good! Thanks for the chuckle.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by STRAIGHTKEY on April 16, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Our current leader is the most corrupt sob ever so why should he and is cronnies get away with it when you HAVE to obey stupid rules?

It's funny how people forget the 21 convictions during the messiah's term....that messiah being Ronald Reagan.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by JOHNZ on April 16, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@straightkey

Attempt to troll noted.

Time to let this thread fade away.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by STRAIGHTKEY on April 16, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Attempt to troll noted.

This is coming from the guy who says someone has no facts when they can't prove something doesn't exist. Some would classify that as trolling, and at the very least logic-challenged and inane.
 
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by AE5QB on April 16, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Last year at Dayton, a plus-sized ham on a scooter tried to take the hill just outside the building, presumably for some tree shade. Didn't happen. Scooter and ham came 'a tumblin' back down. He laid on the pavement sprawled out like a beached whale, and everyone around just looked on with WTF? written on their faces. The EMTs came up and just looked at him and asked: "OK Hoss, what's up?""

LOL, LMAO, HiHi! Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. Good one! Made me laugh and made my day! A good laugh a day will lengthen your life more than giving up pizza! We take ourselves way to seriously, me included! Thanks for the laugh!

73,

Tom/AE5QB
 
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by HA7WX on April 17, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Dear OM friends from USA and Canada and France especially, and from anywhere in the world:
Great article, and not only related to ham radio.
I am working at the hungarian automotive subsidiary of one of the french car makers.
We are sitting all day long, i am trying to have a little walk every hour, for example just having to walk thru to a collegue instead of call him/her.
I too read somewhere else it is highly recommended to move (fast walk, jogging or some other sport) everyday at least 30mn to 45 mn. I have found out walking to my workplace every second day (2x 1.6 mi) and the other day i'm jogging almost 4,5 mi (abt 45mn jogging).
I recently read that moving is extremely important not only because of diabetes but also to prevent cancer.
Remember: human is standing, it is originally "engineered" as a "walking machine" ; sitting is NOT our natural way of life. We were created to walk or run after or in front of the "food" we want to hunt HI HI.
Also, one should take car how much carbs they eat a day, there are also slow and fast carbs. You should only eat fast carbs during day, your first and last meals being slow carbs. Avoid bread, avoid sweet drinks, avoid cakes unless there's no stevia inside instead of sugar.
Again, thousands of years ago, there was no bread, no alcohol, no sweets etc, etc, etc...
Also try not to eat once or twice a day but at least 5 if not 6 times a day, each time little amount of food.
Don't forget to drink a lot (2 to 3 liters).
To end this thread take care also to stress. Don't get upset or nervous easily, think of your health in crazy situations, try to take it easy.
So to sum up: movement, lots of water, little to no cakes, no bread, no sweet drinks, no alcohol (!!!), no stress.
Also try to eat lots of vegetables, lots of kinds, eat fish, eat cooked tomato and pumpkin seeds (good for men), don't forget to use curcuma in your food...
Yes it's not easy, myself i cannot avoid them, i cannot avoid seating too much but one has to do their best to follow healthy lifestyle.
Hope this helps everyone, i hope i did not forget everything.
Article writer is right, and everyone should be concerned of their health ; believe me, i had a lot to do in my childhood with hospitals, want to avoid them as much as possible...
Hope this helps.
All the best 73s and see ya fellas on the bands, pse visit my qrz page!
HA7WX Christophe


 
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by K1CJS on April 17, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
OMG! Article and thread police on this site aren't enough--now we have E-ham doctors! LOL
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by HA7WX on April 17, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS:
Chris, FYI this time e-doctor is for free, next time that will cost you a LOT!! LOL :)))
 
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by AE5QB on April 18, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Beautiful day out. I went on a 3 mile walk with my wife and I can already see better! I am going to order me a pizza and get a beer and see if the bands are open.
 
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by KD4MAO on April 20, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I agree whole heartily with this article and only wish my sometimes twice daily walks with my pups were still safe but under the new "Right to Kill laws", in my state and more than 20 other states it is too dangerous to take the chance.

The mere presence of my dogs and likely using a radio would also somehow be found to be a threat as well the gun owner could shoot first and just claim simple fear and it is entirely legal for your life to be taken.

I realized gun ownership here in this ultra conservative community where I live has at least one gun in 3 of 5 homes I might pass and after talking with local LE they agreed with me it was very dangerous and their hands are tied to even attempt to do anything after these kinds of killings with the inability to prosecute because of the "Stand your Ground" attitude so strongly practiced since the law was changed and so many cases are ending with no charges , or hung juries and the belief by gun advocates any limiting of gun use limits their rights, so juries usually have 2 or 3 at least that think this way and they then hang the juries. These kinds of deaths are up over 500 percent in the years after the law has become known about. You may have heard about one or two of these killings, but hundreds more are not being reported but it is in the hundreds.

I mention this because some of the rest of you might need to research these laws in your state, because not knowing could get you killed? Yes, you can take your own gun with you if you have the correct permits but to many of us that expense is more than we can do, so I stay home. .
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 20, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
You think walking your dogs while talking on your HT is threatening enough to get you killed?

Well okee dokee....ummmm yeah, don't do that I guess.

Wow, that's a strange one. Can't make this stuff up. Ham radio....where obesity, awkwardness and Asperger's make for really great entertainment.




 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WI0T on April 21, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K9HMZ Wrote:

"... Ham radio....where obesity, awkwardness and Asperger's make for really great entertainment...."

Now that's a quote to remember.

73,
Rod
 
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by K3FHP on April 21, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
If I wanted someone to tell me how to live my life, I would turn on PBS, CNN or NBC and see Michelle O. Tell me how to eat and live. IMHO eham should be about ham radio, as radical as that may sound.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by G3SEA on April 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!

Without going into a long diatribe :

2 points

1.Use it or lose it ;)

2.Garbage ( food ) in = Garbage Health out ;)

May you all live long and Happy Ham years :)


KH6/G3SEA
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KD4MAO on April 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Lets be real for a moment about the ACA ( ObamaCare), the decision by one party to do SOMETHING no matter the costs and the other party to do NOTHING no matter the costs resulted in the law we got, a law the the then Speaker of the House stated " We have to pass it to find out what is is it", and that was very true, in the last few days before passing to get the necessary votes the Insurance Lobby was allowed to write the bill, the states where the large insurers are located held those votes out until they were given everything they demanded, if just a few of the "Just say NO", party had been willing to pass something more reasonable the bad legislation that is a "CASH COW", for the insurance industry could have been avoided.

Many special risk classes of insurance already existed, examples are Flood insurance, windstorm coverage in high risk areas ( like condominiums on the gulf shore islands etc)and of course nuclear power plants, none of these parts of the economy could exist because private companies are not willing to take the risk. Government has to find ways to allow all these things to exist.

The massive change for everyone was not necessary, all the uninsured folks could have been placed in a special risk pool and then have the pool sold to insurers with some safe guards as done with other exceptional risks, if the all ready issued policies were not as good as some experts claim, then a rider to those existing policies could have been made available and have it be a requirement to be available, but buying it should have been a choice and the folks already insured should have had Obama's promise kept that if you liked what you had you could keep it. Folks already covered should have been left alone and those not have the opportunity to buy in and yes, those that are under a certain income level do so with some help, the folks that chose to do NOTHING and remain uninsured should have been required to sign a release stating they have wavered their healthcare rights and could not expect anyone in the industry to provide any services in any form if they lacked the money to pay their bills, and yes be allowed to die if they so chose to not buy into any of the insurance coverages. Folks should have the right and responsibility to make this choice and also experience the results of their choice.
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by K9MHZ on April 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>by K3FHP on April 21, 2014 If I wanted someone to tell me how to live my life, I would turn on PBS, CNN or NBC and see Michelle O. Tell me how to eat and live. IMHO eham should be about ham radio, as radical as that may sound.<

Nobody's telling you how to live your life. The OP is merely reporting what he's encountering professionally and passing it along, hoping that it might benefit someone.

No man is an island, and no ham is alone as he pursues this hobby. A BIG part of this is how you present yourself to younger and impressionable people considering the hobby for themselves....that especially means your appearance, attitude, and self-respect. Other hams DO have an interest in this...I know, because my own son wants absolutely nothing to do with ham radio after seeing quite a performance from a number of real beauties at Dayton.

But yes, it's up to you.

 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WD9FUM on April 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'd like to know what K9MHZ has against people with Asperger's Syndrome.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WD9FUM on April 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'd like to know what K9MHZ has against people with Asperger's Syndrome.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WD9FUM on April 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I'd like to know what K9MHZ has against people with Asperger's Syndrome.
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by AF4RK on April 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Please doctor, heal thyself! Take your own advice and avoid writing!
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by VE3XQQ on April 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
.... have an alernator rigged to a bicycle and wired to your rig, if you want to talk; crank if up and pedal!

73 de VE3XQQ, Frank
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WB6DGN on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Don't forget to drink a lot (2 to 3 liters)."

GOOD GRIEF! If I drank that much, I couldn't even FIND the refrigerator, much less eat what you suggest!

Ooohh! You meant WATER! Never touch the stuff except to shower in!

Tom
 
RE: Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by WB6DGN on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Let's see! Politics, Medicine and even a hint of Religion found on this site today!

Boy! Maybe if I look real hard I might even find a word or two about Ham Radio! NAW! That would be too much to expect!

Tom
 
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by K8QV on April 13, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Do any moderators ever even try to keep out the religious and political nutbags?



They probably spend more time taking care of name-callers .
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KG4RYT on May 11, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I thought that is what the goverment wanted, fat lazy people who need extra health care. Maybe?
 
Ham Radio May Cause Blindness  
by KC9FJE on May 15, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Good thing I work out everyday. Then again the military doesn't offer much choice in the matter haha.
 
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by KE4ZHN on May 16, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Sitting in your shack 24-7 scarfing down pizza is nothing but a prolonged suicide. As much as I enjoy the hobby life does not revolve around sitting in the shack yacking. Spending time with your lady and doing things other than sitting on your butt prolong your life.
 
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