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Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams

from wd5jwy on April 28, 2014
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BoatAnchors and Flaky Hams

I love old BoatAnchor ham radios.† I hate to admit it, but Iíve always enjoyed them.† Whether itís a Johnson or Hallicrafters or Collins, it doesnít matter.† I love them all.† Basically any American-made ham radio designed and manufactured in the 1930ís or 40ís or 50ís is a favorite of mine.†

If you are a BoatAnchor enthusiast and you are reading this, youíll understand what Iím talking about.† At one time, my goal was to own and operate one of each of the better examples of every BoatAnchor ever made.† I quickly realized I would never meet that goal.† There just isnít enough time or money available to most of us.†

Instead, I chose to concentrate on trying to acquire some of the most prized BoatAnchors out there.† This is a much easier goal to conceive than to realize.† †The most prized BoatAnchors are, for the most part, already owned by the true believers.† Therefore, they rarely become available for sale. ††When they do become available, quite often they end up going to a close friend or club member or to some other collector in the same city or state.† As everyone knows, these radios are not called BoatAnchors without a good reason.† They are extremely heavy, fairly cumbersome and easily damaged if shipped by a third party.† Itís for this reason that Iíve chosen to only purchase BoatAnchors from other hams that are within a reasonable driving distance from my QTH.† That way I can drive to the sellerís location and meet the owner and purchase and safely haul the prize home.†

Over the years, Iíve always wanted to own a BC-610.† It is one of the radios that have always exceeded my grasp.† The urge to own and operate one has come and gone, but itís always there lingering in the back of my mind.† About a year ago, the urge to own one grew again and I decided I was going to finally find one to buy.†

Coincidentally,at about that same time, a ham not too far away sent a note to one of the BoatAnchor email lists to which I subscribe.† He was advertising his BC-610 for sale.† I thought, Wow, this is my lucky day.† Someone has decided to sell their BC-610 and they are located fairly close by.† So, I email the guy and tell him Iím willing to buy (I didnít even ask for a price Ė I didnít care Ė I was going to finally own a BC-610).† In my email, I tell him Iím within a fairly short driving distance and can meet him anywhere he wants to meet and I can be there in just a few hours.† I asked him when we could meet Ė in a few hours or a few days or maybe next week Ė whenever itís convenient for him.† He replies back to me and says it might be a month or two before heíll have time to get over to his storage locker to meet me to complete the sale.†

A Month or Two?? What the hell?† I was concerned that I didnít understand his reply.† I re-read his original email Ė didnít he offer a BC-610 for sale?† Hmm, yes, the email clearly says he has a BC-610 for sale.† So, I email the guy back and ask him Ė ďmaybe I misunderstood your original email offering a BC-610 for sale Ė do you have a BC-610 for sale or not?Ē† He replies, ďYes, I do have a BC-610 for sale, but I canít make the time to get to my storage facility for some time Ė one or two months or possibly longerĒ.†

I started to email him back and ask why he would offer a radio for sale if he was clearly not prepared to consummate the sale for long period of time Ė but I thought better of it.† Who knows what motivates some people.† So, I emailed him back and told him that a time-table of two or three months to complete a transaction would be too long for me - and wished him luck.

But, now it was too late Ė the BC-610 bug had bitten hard and wouldnít let go.† So, I set out to find another BC-610 to purchase Ė hopefully it would be located within a reasonable 500 mile or so driving distance.† I searched the Interwebs and found another mailing list dedicated just to the BC-610.† Viola!!†† I know what Iíll do Ė Iíll send an email to everyone on the list asking if anyone within 500 miles from my QTH has a BC-610 for sale.† I sent the email.†

Within thirty minutes I had a reply.† The guy writes me back Ė he has a BC-610 available for sale and itís complete and ready to go on the air.† He quotes a price (but I donít care Ė Iím willing to pay almost anything) that was very reasonable.† He even sends me some pictures of the rig (they look great Ė Iím pumped).† He also offers to meet me half way (how much better could this be?).† I hurriedly email him back.†† This is great, I say, when can we meet?† I can be there in a few hours or maybe tomorrow would be better or maybe next week would be more convenient for you Ė just let me know and Iíll be there.

He replies back Ė yeah, why donít we shoot for next week.† Iíll send you an email the day before I can meet you.† Cool, I think Ė next week Iíll own a BC-610. Iím really excited.† So, next week comes Ö.Wednesday, ThursdayÖ.no email from the guy.† So, no problem I think, Iíll just shoot him a quick note.† Hey buddy, when are we going to meet so I can purchase your BC-610?† He replies within a few hours Ė Oh, Iím sorry, Iíve been busy.† Iím going to need another week or two.† I think huh Ė whatís going on here?† But, I really, really still want that BC-610.† So I write him back Ė Hey, thatís cool Ė Iíll contact you in a couple of weeks and see if we can work out a time to meet.†

I wait two weeks Ė to the day Ė I email him back.† Hey, are you ready to meet yet so I can get that BC-610 from you.† We can meet whenever itís convenient for you Ė just let me know.† He writes me back about 24 hours later.† Yeah, uh hey, Iím going to need another three weeks or so.† Iíll send you an email when Iím ready Ė he says.† Itís been 12 months and Iíve never heard from the guy.

The moral of this story is Ė if you decide to sell one of your most prized ham possessions, donít be a Flake.† Make up your mind before you advertise the equipment for sale.† Regardless of the story above, almost every other ham Iíve dealt with has been honest and forthright in their dealings with me Ė maybe Iíve just had a run of bad luck with trying to find and purchase that elusive BC-610.† The urge to own one is still there, but I will have to wait until I find a ham that is truly ready to sell.†

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Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W1JKA on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Medical research has proven that Hams as a group have a higher rate of Keepitist than others and can strike at anytime of year. No known cure as yet.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by HAMMYGUY on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I think this is more a bitch session that belongs in the forums, not as an "article".

Now I will agree with you that the gentleman was a flake, but no money exchanged hands and your not out anything except your time.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by ND8K on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"The moral of this story is Ė if you decide to sell one of your most prized ham possessions, donít be a Flake. "

LOL. How about: if you decided to sell ANYTHING don't be a flake. As a new ham, I have attempted to purchase no less than FIVE different radios (an IC-7200, and FT-897D, an FT-8800r, and a couple of kenwood boat anchors) over a six week period. EVERY SINGLE SELLER flaked out. This is definitely an amateur radio-ism. Never before have I come across so many half-hearted sellers.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K8AXW on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting read. To paraphrase JKA's comment, "Hams are somehow, someway screwed-up in the head! There is a certain element in a ham's thinking or reasoning that creates a certain .....strangeness. This includes me. However, I am aware of my 'condition' and try to compensate for it. I don't always succeed.

The best place to see this in action is at a hamfest. It's an incredible place for "people watching."

As another pointed out, you didn't lose any money for which you can be thankful. The flip side of this situation is, if you would have offered to buy both of these 610s simultaneously with the hope of getting one, both sellers would have been pounding on your door asking for the money!!

Al - K8AXW



 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by N6BIZ on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN UR AROUND RF ...
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K8QV on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
If you think it's difficult to get a piece of gear out of a ham's hands, try taking his donut!
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KB2FCV on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Sometimes people are legitimately very busy, or perhaps they could have health problems going on.. or it also could be a case of "I'm not sure I really want to sell it". I've only had that once when I sold something I really didn't want to.. but I had to in order to buy some things for my daughter on the way (which is waaay better than the 'Gold Dust Twins' I sold to buy baby stuff).

The BC-610 is a behemoth. In the case of one of the first one.. who knows.. maybe it's buried in a storage unit under mounds of stuff and the guy needed to dig it out before hand - requiring a day or two of work just to get at it. I had a BC-610 in my garage for a short while. I rescued it from being tossed with the thought of restoring it. It was too much radio for me and I wound up selling it and found it a good home.. luckily it was right at the edge of my (filled) garage at the time and the guy who bought it was able to get it in his trailer. The guy beautifully restored it and it was a joy to work him on the air several months later and hear the transmitter!

I guess either seller could have given you a better explanation as to what is going on / explain the delays. Sometimes if you really want something you just have to be patient and wait it out. Good luck on the quest to get one. They don't come up for sale to often.. the guy who bought mind had been looking for years for one. Maybe check in with both sellers to see if either is still available for sale and just be patient with the occasional nudge.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah, I'll second the "you haven't lost anything." Disappointing for sure, but I think you're the one with the pent up demand and expectations of having it yesterday.

It sounds like your enthusiastic immediate replies and zeal are giving the owners second thoughts about the radios' worth.

Yes hams are strange. Back in Sacramento, one ham was noted for listing reasonably priced gear on the 2 meter swapnets, and then once you contacted him (by phone, before email), his price had suddenly gone up commensurate with demand.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K1FPV on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hmmmmm! I had a very similar experience regarding a Johnson Ranger II. The guy kept putting me off...finally after a month of hounding him, I started to look again. About 5 months later, I found one, the seller and I agreed on a price and I bought it!

About 2 weeks after I bought it, the original guy emailed me and said, OK...I'm ready to sell. Guess what? I told him, "you snooze, you lose!"

I'm almost done getting it on the air! :-)

Bill
K1FPV
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by WD8KNI on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The second guy is waiting on the 1st guy go get to his storage unit so he can re-sell it to you for a higher price...
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by RSHIRE22 on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's a weakness needing or wanting something too much. When that's the case you don't own something - it owns you. People are flakes. You live with it or realized nothing is so important. Happiness is fleeting like Van Camps Pork and Beans. If you realize that life becomes much easier.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W5TTW on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Waaah.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K6CS on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I've dealt with people like this & yes, it sucks. My advice is to move on. Kinda like Ebay, there will ALWAYS be another that comes along sooner or later...

AND, while I'm at it, unless I know the HAM personally I WILL NOT purchase from anyone over the internet unless they accept PayPal. I've gotten screwed a couple of times & this is the only thing that protects me. Just go check out the SCAMS where other hams collect the cash from you & never send the goods. At least PayPal will refund you then go after the culprit themselves....

73, Charlie K6CS
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W6TGE on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
NOT just Boat Anchors. This also happens when a person posts a WTB and then, after 20 emails and a few phone calls, you never hear from them again. Even AFTER they agree to your price!

This has happened to me twice here for 2 different pieces of equipment!
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by N8NSN on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Flakey seller - flakey buyer... Internet deals scare me, period. Especially when it is a "pick up in person" transaction requiring payment upon pick-up.

No, I'm not what most anyone would consider timid or wimpy, but I'm still nerved by the thought of a cash on pick-up transaction. This is due to the kind-of recent news about robberies and even murders through Craig's List transactions. Surely a google search on Craig's List murders will produce enough information to hip one to this. The worse ones I read about were of a sale on a motorcycle. Show up with the cash to seal the deal and wind up sealing the fate of death... Sends shivers down my spine. BE CAREFUL dealing with anyone you don't really know. Especially on higher ticket items. Not everyone in this world is nice, nor honest. Some are drugged out and desperate.

I generally find enough deals on equipment I want or need through people in groups partaken in on the air. Especially AM Phone groups.As they get to know you it would seem they enjoy sending deals your way. Then it's better for the group and it fosters the true good-will of the hobby. Old school style!

73 & enjoy the hobby
 
It's all psychological drama.  
by AI2IA on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It is just a case of mind over matter. If the seller has no mind, then it doesn't matter.

I have some nice old tube sets. I bought them only from a ham I know personally, and not before working stations on them myself. He was more than fair in price, and I was more than generous in giving him some of my surplus extras.

It was all done with a handshake making the exchange final with no regrets.

This is the way hams ought to do things, eyeball to eyeball.

Buy long distance and get X the unknown.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by NA5XX on April 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I have never had an issue when buying used equipment on the internet. I have to admit that I have never bought a boat anchor. It seems that is the only type of equipment a flake would list for sale.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by RSHIRE22 on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
There are certain rules of thumb when dealing with people. First, I don't associate with anyone I know to be liberal. Before you know it they want to borrow money. If you let them stay the night they won't leave and use the law against you requiring you go to court. They will try to rape your daughter or molest small children. All criminals are liberals. I avoid all musicians. Same problems as above. People who love music (pleasure) are escaping pain (guilt). I avoid too nice types. They are manipulators or appeasers. Manipulators are fooling you and appeasers are trying to disarm you. Why? The super quiet types are dangerous. They are afraid of saying something that will make someone upset which will set them off so they never say anything (psychotic). Homosexuals are destroyed by their
mothers mostly. The sickness of it needs to propagate it's lifestyle because straights make
them feel shame.

That's my short list all based on common sense.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KC2QYM on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like obsessive compulsion disorder to me. I know many Hams suffer from this. The obsession is sated for a very short period of time after the coveted item is in their possession and after a long and arduous 'hunt'. Within a few days after the item is possessed the disease returns and the obsession to own some other wish list item returns. Is all this madness worth the anxiety? I doubt it but that's the rub...the amateur community is a cross section of the society at large. That said, there is a disproportionate number of hoarders among the Ham community than the general population.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W1JKA on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hello all, newbie here.I just got my tech permit and my uncle (SK) left me a Bird 43 watt meter that I just listed on eBay but I really don't want to sell it (sentimental reasons).I would use the money to by an MFJ Cub that is currently for sale in the eHam classifieds but the seller is not responding to a few questions I have about it, I really want it and any advise from eHam members who have been in this situation and could tell me where I could read about it would be appreciated.Thanks
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by AF3Y on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Then WHY did you list it on eBay? Sounds like a problem there.....

Being new, I should ask you: Has anyone told you what MFJ stands for?

Good Luck.......
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by W1JKA on April 29, 2014 Hello all, newbie here.I just got my tech permit and my uncle (SK) left me a Bird 43 watt meter that I just listed on eBay but I really don't want to sell it (sentimental reasons).I would use the money to by an MFJ Cub that is currently for sale in the eHam classifieds but the seller is not responding to a few questions I have about it, I really want it and any advise from eHam members who have been in this situation and could tell me where I could read about it would be appreciated.Thanks<<<<


If you really want some "advise", here goes......

Are you friggin' nuts? You were given a phenomenal wattmeter with sentimental value, and you want to give it up for some MFJ crap? Please....you sound young and naive, so for your sake....don't do it! Remember your uncle every time you use the Bird. For now, chill out, slow down, and earn some money for a rig to go WITH, not in place of, the Bird. You'll hate yourself if you give up that heirloom.

 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Just looked at W1JKA's page....yeah, very funny dude.

Weird.

 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K1CJS on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Just another bitchin' session by people who want what they want yesterday. If the seller (or buyer) doesn't get back to you just move on.

...Unless, of course, you want to give the treatment right back to them! String them along, offer a little more than they're asking, then when they're finally ready to do the deal--tell them you've changed your mind.

Seriously, though, if you can't get them to deal, just move on. Sooner of later you'll come across another deal--maybe one even sweeter!
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yep, so true!
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K4PP on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
You already stated the reason for this...

"The most prized BoatAnchors are, for the most part, already owned by the true believers. Therefore, they rarely become available for sale. When they do become available, quite often they end up going to a close friend or club member or to some other collector in the same city or state."

Something was wrong with these and they know you fit the statement. There was no easy out for them. Or else, deep in their heart they were a true believer after all.

K4PP
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by N9LCD on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
QUIT BELLYACHING! Hams aren't the only ones who pull-off crap like that.

For years, we tried to buy a small business. We were serious buyers. We spent a lot on professionals, a CPA and an attorney. The last time around, we spent about $12,500 and got no where.

80% OF THE SELLERS WERE SHOPPING THEIR BUSINESS TO SEE WHAT IT WAS WORTH.

THE OTHER 20% OF THE BUSINESSES WE LOOKED WERE SO SCREWED-UP THEY WERE WORTHLESS!

N9LCD
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W5TTW on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS wrote: "String them along, offer a little more than they're asking, then when they're finally ready to do the deal--tell them you've changed your mind."

That will lead to "articles" about flaky buyers, perpetuating the never-ending ham radio bitch fest. No thanks.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W6OP on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I never put anything up for sale unless it is ready to go in the shipping container.

If you aren't ready to pack it, don't place the for sale ad!

Pete W6OP
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K2JVI on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by W1JKA on April 29, 2014 Hello all, newbie here.I just got my tech permit and my uncle (SK) left me a Bird 43 watt meter that I just listed on eBay but I really don't want to sell it (sentimental reasons).I would use the money to by an MFJ Cub that is currently for sale in the eHam classifieds but the seller is not responding to a few questions I have about it, I really want it and any advise from eHam members who have been in this situation and could tell me where I could read about it would be appreciated.Thanks<<<<
I second K9MHZ's sentiments-
I definitely would keep the Bird 43 as you can get elements for many frequency and power ranges. I have a Bird 43 that's 30 years old, I used it primarily for VHF and UHF applications then, but now that my focus has shifted to HF/6 meters, I recently purchased elements to cover those bands. Check it out-you can still get lots of elements and adapters for the Bird 43 and their service department is first rate if anything were to happen to yours.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by G3SEA on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!

Anchors Away :) !

KH6/G3SEA
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by WA7SGS on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I have an absolute hatred and rage for those who are flaky in their business dealings. Life is too short for this kind of BS but as we know there's a ton of it and plenty more out there.

Do you know how Jewish wholesale diamond dealers do business? With a handshake. The first time you screw up is the last and there goes your livelihood. Too bad we can't run off the flakes for the rest of their lives when they make a mess.

Not to worry. What comes around goes around and flaky people don't hang well with good quality people so their chocies will bite them in the butt not once but many times over the course of their lives.

In the meantime you the poster will eventually get your prized radio and it will come from someone who doesn't string people out, spew BS and play the "busy" card. Anyone who says "busy" to me is just telling me they're 'tards in the time management and getting it done biz. I wouldn't want a penny of my money going to them.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W8AAZ on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hey this reminds me, it's almost HAMVENTION time!
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on April 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by WA7SGS on April 29, 2014
Do you know how Jewish wholesale diamond dealers do business? With a handshake. The first time you screw up is the last and there goes your livelihood.<<<<

We had a tour of the NYSE floor one time, and a very similar point was made with regard to the traders. Apparently the hand signals are everything, and you'd better not even think of not honoring your bid commitments or you'd never be allowed to trade on the floor ever again.

 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W1JKA on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I want to thank K9MHZ and K2JVI for their timely responses. After due consideration I have decided to keep my Bird watt meter and instead sell another radio that my uncle(SK)gave me that I really want to keep(sentimental reasons)it's made by ARC-5 ?? and looks like some kind of military radio probably surplus from the Gulf War. At any rate another Ham friend told me I would need to get a hard to find dynamic type motor power supply to operate it.

I will list it for $30.00 on eBay although I really want to keep it and plan on using the money to by one of those Splinter combo rcvr./xtmr. kits $55.00+s/h. I will finance the extra $25.00 with my PayPal credit card.

I figure to paint the Splinter's wood base red this would look good alongside the grey Bird watt meter which I will use beside it.

When I questioned my Ham friend about Flaky Hams he suggested I try something called Head&Shoulders,I will try it this coming weekend if I have time and do an eHam Review on it. Thanks again.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KC2QYM on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hey W1JKA...you're not fooling anyone with your phony naÔvetť. You're just prompting people to give you attention which you're apparently desperate for. Although it's not impossible that you're just plain dumb...not a newbie.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W1JKA on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
My apologies boys, just responding to the context of the Article heading and contents.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K4PIH on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This is hilarious! ARC-5 from the Gulf War? More likely from WW-II and Korea! But I think the poster knows that. MFJ = More ****** Junk! Love it!
Know how to check an MFJ product before you buy it? Pick it up and shake it, if it rattles put it down and walk away.I think for the ARC-5, I would advertise it on eBay for free, just pay 35$ shipping and handling.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W4KVU on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I see even trolls can get vanity calls.......
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by AB4D on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
KC2QYM, you tell him! He's not fooling anyone. How DARE he make a mockery of this article! The acquisition of a BC-610 is equal to the search for the HOLY GRAIL. BTW, I heard of a guy that has several BC-610s that he may consider selling, but he is one of those flaky indecisive types. I may be able to call him this week or maybe next month, or the second Tuesday a week after next week.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by JOHNZ on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I cannot imagine why today's typical elderly obese ham would want to own a BC-610? Some BC-610s weigh in excess of 400 Lbs, same weight as the person wanting to own one.

It is risky to purchase or sell used ham equipment. This is not the 1950/60s, when gentlemen would buy, sell, and trade ham equipment. One possible exception would be a local ham radio club, where members all live locally and are well known in the ham community.

Like I said once before, we have a guy in this area who is a very heavy Cannabis user. Any used radio he sells is loaded with Cannabis residue. Local hams know this, but hams outside this area would not be aware they are purchasing a used radio covered with Cannabis residue.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by WA0ZZG on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I am retired and live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Don't know about a BC-610. My background is on the Collins and Harris broadcast transmitters, some of the same era. Like the type you step into instead of bending over.
Did you find one???
Dave.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by WB6DGN on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
After RSHIRE22's tedious dissertation comes this conclusion: "That's my short list all based on common sense."

What I want to know is;

1st What is the h**l does this have to do with buying a radio?

2nd What in the h**l does this have to do with ham radio?

3rd Why is this political drivel permitted on this web site?

4th Where the h**l is the "common sense" alluded to in the original post?

Tom
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by ONAIR on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Happened to me several times! The solution? I tell the owner that I am willing to throw in an extra $100 if he can get the merchandise to me within 7 days! Works almost every time. :)
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by WA1RNE on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!

Tom,

Ignoring posters who sign with handles on a ham radio web site is a sensible approach.

I can't speak with them on the air so why bother here?


.... WA1RNE
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KC8YHN on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I've gone through this a lot.

I was told my me elmer at the time that nothing is that important that you have to sit on a guy for weeks to get something and learn to forget about it (walk away). When I actually started practising bargaining with that attitude, I closed more sales.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by WB6DGN on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Ignoring posters who sign with handles on a ham radio web site is a sensible approach."

You're obviously correct but sometimes its easier said than done; especially when the media throws garbage politics at you 24/7.
I've gotten to the point that I mostly ignore the online "news" postings and it just gets to me when some #%^&$ has to bring it to a site where I go for relaxation. Many times I have seriously considered making my "home" page totally blank for that reason.
Anyhow, your point is well taken.
Tom
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W8AAZ on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Boy this whole thread of discussion makes me really want to rush right out and get involved in ham radio.
 
Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by STRAIGHTKEY on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I don't see how the moral of the story is "don't be a flake". There wasn't really any consequences for the seller being a flake in this story, no lesson realized by the seller. The moral of the story is if a seller is beginning to give you the run around and acting like a flake, walk away from the deal and don't waste your time. Furthermore, this situation isn't unique to boat anchor sales, or even amateur radio sales.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Ignoring posters who sign with handles on a ham radio web site is a sensible approach."

Ignoring idiots like RSHIRE22 is a sensible approach, regardless of identity. I've seen similar drivel from those with callsigns here.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K4PIH on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Ditto on the handles. Those that use them should go to:
www.cbradiotalk.com

What's wrong with a vanity call sign?

Back to the original topic. I have never dealt with one of the "flaky hams" Just lucky I guess
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by JOHNZ on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W8AAZ

Amen! But a remnant of good people can still be found.

Also makes me want to start searching for a BC-610 to restore. My memories of the BC-610 were the size of the coils. If I recall, there was a separate coil for each band. The 80 meter coil was larger than today's modern all band all mode rigs. Throwing the transmit switch resulted in a loud "clunk," followed by a low hum and the lights dimming in the house.
 
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by AF5CC on April 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I do have to agree with the author on one thing-why list a piece of equipment for sale if you can't get to it for a month or more. Go get the rig first, then list it for sale.

John AF5CC
 
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by AE5QB on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"I do have to agree with the author on one thing-why list a piece of equipment for sale if you can't get to it for a month or more. Go get the rig first, then list it for sale."

Do you really think they can't get it for a month? Maybe if its stored in Afghanistan. More than likely they just realized they don't really want to sell it and don't have the nuggets to say so. So they make excuses, it is quite prevalent in our society today. The truth is a secondary consideration.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Kenwood "boatanchors" ??? . I haven't yet met a Kenwood that couldn't get lifted with one hand .

On the other hand , if the OP can call today , agree on a price , arrange tobe in Utica Michigan this Saturday and bring his own loading crew he can take home a very nice looking , complete BC-610E .

 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Then of Friday night, you can tell him that you need some time to think about it.
 
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by RSHIRE22 on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The first amendment guarantees free objectionable speech not kind speech.
Kind speech doesn't need protection.
That's why that idiot team owner will win in court.

Without free speech everyone will live in fear. On top of that it leads to false accusation which you wouldn't need protection from if you had free speech to begin with.

That makes USA a totalitarian state and the government dictator. Obama should have been impeached for IRS scandal which was far worse than Watergate. It wasn't covered since we no longer have a free press because we are a dictatorship.

So if you like our current government good luck. You'll end up in the same place as the rest of us eventually.
 
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by W1JKA on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
RSHIRE22

You might want to re check your Favorite's list, I think you got into the wrong Web Site by mistake.
 
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by JOHNZ on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@RSHIRE22

News Flash, there are limits to the First Amendment.

Moreover, the eHam owners can legally establish whatever rules they wish.

Spose we get back on topic about BC-610s and flaky sellers?



 
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by JOHNZ on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@RSHIRE22

News Flash, there are limits to the First Amendment.

Moreover, the eHam owners can legally establish whatever rules they wish.

Spose we get back on topic about BC-610s and flaky sellers?



 
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by JOHNZ on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I apologize for the double posting.
 
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by K4PIH on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
As amateur radio operators who have the ability to contact people worldwide that may be in different political situations, we are or at least should be a-political as a practice. Anything political should be removed from this site, including this post if deemed. Moderators please step in and kill this thread

 
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by VE3TMT on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
You start off by saying "over the years, I've always wanted to own a BC-610"

While I admit, the seller sounded like either a) didn't want to sell, or b) didn't really have the radio, if you've been waiting years, I wouldn't think another month or two on your part would have mattered.

I agree with the other poster, sounds more like a bitching session to me. You didn't lose any money, no big deal.

I had a neighbor tell me one day he had some old radio equipment that I could have for free. Of course I was excited. I waited almost a year for him to bring it over, or come ask me to come take it. Since it was free, I really didn't want to nag. He finally tells me he gave it all away to someone else. I was disappointed but since I didn't lose anything, wasn't too concerned.
 
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by VE3TMT on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
You start off by saying "over the years, I've always wanted to own a BC-610"

While I admit, the seller sounded like either a) didn't want to sell, or b) didn't really have the radio, if you've been waiting years, I wouldn't think another month or two on your part would have mattered.

I agree with the other poster, sounds more like a bitching session to me. You didn't lose any money, no big deal.

I had a neighbor tell me one day he had some old radio equipment that I could have for free. Of course I was excited. I waited almost a year for him to bring it over, or come ask me to come take it. Since it was free, I really didn't want to nag. He finally tells me he gave it all away to someone else. I was disappointed but since I didn't lose anything, wasn't too concerned.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
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by K9MHZ on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Then of Friday night, you can tell him that you need some time to think about it. "


Speak for yourself ,
On Friday night I will be out with the YL . Seems if he REALLY wanted a BC-610 I probably would have heard from him by now...
Maybe we need to hear "The Other Side of the Story"
..to establish the actual flake factor .
 
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by RSHIRE22 on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ,

Free speech does not allow you to yell fire in a movie theatre. Nothing in my posts comes close to that. Three presidents have come close to impeachment for good reason because it is a needed process unless you are the type of person who prefers mob rule for the strongest guy who happens to be in office at the particular time.

Derstandzee? Read it again. Your post was political, also. Do you see that, Mr. Mob?
 
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by RSHIRE22 on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Weren't lynchings mob rule back in Marconi's
day? Why didn't the scientists back then do something about it? Too afraid probably.

>> That's a great spark gap contraption but why didn't you help that guy down the street<<

>>No just shut up and talk about radio waves unless I agree with you<<

Bothered? Good! Afraid? Too bad!

RS
 
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by KG8LB on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Private and public institutions are free to limit as they see fit .
The bottom line remains

As JohnZ posted :

"Moreover, the eHam owners can legally establish whatever rules they wish."
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K9MHZ on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by KG8LB on May 1, 2014
On Friday night I will be out with the YL....<<<<


Take that normal, well-adjusted personality of yours the heck away from here! This is ham radio, dude.

 
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by WA7KGX on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
During my misspent life I lusted after a variety of radios from time to time, starting with the Zenith Transoceanic, Hallicrafters SX-62, and Collins R-390. The university ham club had a BC-610 "All Channel TV Transmitter" that was not on that list.

Years later I owned and then sold a Trans-Oceanic and SX-62. Never got an R-390, a mechanical horror. I currently have a Hallicrafters S-76 with the giant S-meter and a Viking Ranger. Both work but not perfectly.

The problem with so many boat anchors is that those old enough to lust after them can't lift them any more.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on May 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by KG8LB on May 1, 2014
On Friday night I will be out with the YL....<<<<

From K9MHZ:
"Take that normal, well-adjusted personality of yours the heck away from here! This is ham radio, dude. "

Normal ?

Normally she brings her girlfriend .
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on May 2, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Looks like the OP may have been a flaky buyer ! I offered to help end his 20 plus year plight and SELL him a BC-610 . Nary a peep . Perhaps he is the one that is not ready to buy ??

I had a BC-610 many years ago . Last June I started looking for another . It took about a month to locate one near St Louis . A 1200 mile round trip but well worth it . We brought home a nice BC-610H . About a month later a BC-610E was mentioned as for sale during a QSO on 3880 . A bit closer , only about 400 miles round trip netted the 2nd BC-610 . Both sellers were EXCELLENT people to deal with . The second one came from a ham radio shop in Dowagiac MI . "Hamsters" is the name of the place and dealing with the owner was a sheer pleasure .

Feeling guilty upon hearing the tale of woe put before us inspired me to generously offer to pass the BC-610E model on to the OP . Since I was impressed with his need for a stringent timeline I even agreed to sell it in a timely manner .

Times up ...good luck in your search .
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on May 2, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Looks like the OP may have been a flaky buyer ! I offered to help end his 20 plus year plight and SELL him a BC-610 . Nary a peep . Perhaps he is the one that is not ready to buy ??

I had a BC-610 many years ago . Last June I started looking for another . It took about a month to locate one near St Louis . A 1200 mile round trip but well worth it . We brought home a nice BC-610H . About a month later a BC-610E was mentioned as for sale during a QSO on 3880 . A bit closer , only about 400 miles round trip netted the 2nd BC-610 . Both sellers were EXCELLENT people to deal with . The second one came from a ham radio shop in Dowagiac MI . "Hamsters" is the name of the place and dealing with the owner was a sheer pleasure .

Feeling guilty upon hearing the tale of woe put before us inspired me to generously offer to pass the BC-610E model on to the OP . Since I was impressed with his need for a stringent timeline I even agreed to sell it in a timely manner .

Times up ...good luck in your search .
 
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by KG8LB on May 2, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Looks like the OP may have been a flaky buyer ! I offered to help end his 20 plus year plight and SELL him a BC-610 . Nary a peep . Perhaps he is the one that is not ready to buy ??

I had a BC-610 many years ago . Last June I started looking for another . It took about a month to locate one near St Louis . A 1200 mile round trip but well worth it . We brought home a nice BC-610H . About a month later a BC-610E was mentioned as for sale during a QSO on 3880 . A bit closer , only about 400 miles round trip netted the 2nd BC-610 . Both sellers were EXCELLENT people to deal with . The second one came from a ham radio shop in Dowagiac MI . "Hamsters" is the name of the place and dealing with the owner was a sheer pleasure .

Feeling guilty upon hearing the tale of woe put before us inspired me to generously offer to pass the BC-610E model on to the OP . Since I was impressed with his need for a stringent timeline I even agreed to sell it in a timely manner .

Times up ...good luck in your search .
 
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by ZENKI on May 3, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Its simple dont become involved in the "boat anchor" equipment scam. You have hams and dealers recycling boat anchor equipment and profiteering.

This equipment is mostly junk and lacks performance. In one or 2 cases the transmitters are better than modern equipment the rest is however junk and lacks performance.

I buy equipment and I expect that equipment to perform and have very good specifications. Boat anchor equipment like Collins and old AM transmitters cant match the performance of most modern equipment so why buy it? Only if you like being a sucker caught up in a fad. Can you find a boat anchor radio that can match the phase noise performance of a TS590S or a K3? The answer is no its old technology that drifts and lacks receiver performance.

It makes more sense buying professional AM transmitters and EX military gear. This equipment at least was engineered to the best technical standards rather than being affordable ham junk.

The best day of my life was when I got rid of all my old Collins equipment. I feel sorry for the sucker who bought it. I cant for the life of me understand what the attraction is for such terrible equipment! I would rather collect real antiques rather than pretend something is worth something that it is not! Unfortunately most boat anchors should really live upto their name and be used as real boat anchors!
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by JOHNZ on May 3, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Zenki, Share with us what type of equipment your station consists of and why you chose this particular equipment?
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by AC7CW on May 3, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I collected boat anchors to the point where I didn't have a really good rig for getting on the air... somebody did me the favor of stealing all of it out of my shed while I was away... I'm happier now. SDR rigs with specs to match $10,000 rigs are selling for $300-400 nowadays and they are just little single board thingies, that price is headed down, down...
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KC8VWM on May 4, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry to hear about your troubles while searching for a boat anchor.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KC4IWI on May 5, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's unfortunate that you have had such experiences. Until last year, each of my RIGS was purchased via the internet, including two here on e-ham and one on e-Bay. In each instance, the rigs were shipped and received as described. We may be flaky, but generally honest. It's a good thing you tried to arrange for a personal pick-up vice paying and then encountering difficulty.

Keep the faith, you will find the right one!

Best 73,
Steve
 
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by KG8LB on May 5, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
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by AC7CW on May 3, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I collected boat anchors to the point where I didn't have a really good rig for getting on the air... somebody did me the favor of stealing all of it out of my shed while I was away... I'm happier now. SDR rigs with specs to match $10,000 rigs are selling for $300-400 nowadays and they are just little single board thingies, that price is headed down, down."

Real radios don't need a video screen .
Hey , It's a HOBBY for some of us . My boat anchors work just great and do everything I want them to do .
Many of them have been working well for over 60 years. They all rate as good rigs for getting on the air and I do just that , daily .
I have a $50 cell phone that totally blows away any SDR or similar box appliance for pure communication . It is probably just about as boring to use as well . Some people think they are making music when they play an MP3 . Others would rather pick up an old guitar . A 70 year old Martin still plays great for some of us . Different strokes ....

 
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by NV2A on May 9, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
As it turns out, I have 5 maybe 6 BC610's and can part with 3 or 4 of them in maybe 1 or 2 years. Let me see if I can remember where I got them stored and if so, why it was that I was looking for them and I'll get back to you.

Ray NV2A
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on May 10, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Or give me a call and you can pick up one of mine today . I know right where they are , used them yesterday .

No problem whatsoever .
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by W5HEH on May 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This is a Funny article and we should call it Ham Separation Anxiety ! hihi. Yah know i found an old QSL card i got when i was a teen,from the 60s, glad i saved one ! hihi. I wish i had save my Uncles Boat Anchors, they were too cool to watch light up from the late 30s or early 40s , oh the RFI those things would kick out !
Glad you wrote this , the sad thing is when those old timers pass on, the XYLs sell the SK's sometimes really cheap to Dealers who take advantage, that is why i am writing some simple notes on the Value of my Equipt. even thought i do not have much but i still want my YL to know . Life is too short , just have fun and laugh a lot , you will enjoy it more . 73s , AJ W5heh
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KD8MJR on May 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
To me this just seems like a simple case of an over eager buyer and a Boat Anchor that's enormous.

If you approach any seller with an over eager attitude and a price is no problem statement! They are naturally going to start wondering if they need to see what the item is really worth.

Secondly this beast is the size of a small fridge and weighs 300+ lbs. It's the kind of equipment that you need to have a few helpers over to move.
 
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by AG6CF on May 30, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's not boat anchors, but let me tell a short story that is the opposite of this one.

A friend of mine just taught a "radio and electronics" class to a middle school group at his home school co-op. The two of us ended the class with an all-day cram, and a test session.

7 kids came to the cram, and took the Technician exam. 5 passed. I have never seen kids so happy, not to mention parents, teachers, and VEs.

Next problem. These are kids from families that are "less than wealthy". (Think large family, one working parent.) Now we need radios.

I went on a local swap net, told the story, and said that WE were looking to BUY decent (not Baofeng) radios for the kids, for Baofeng prices, and gave my email.

In two weeks, here is the outcome:

One kid was already given a VX-1 by his grandfather, who is a ham.

One ham gave us two HTs (FT-470s). They were his and his brother's first radios when they got their licenses, 20-25 years ago. His brother is now a silent key. These radios will now be the firsts for a new generation.

One ham gave us a mobile radio (IC-228A). It was HIS first radio, given to him when he got his license a few years ago. I already have a Ringo to go with it, given to me by a coworker who used to be a ham, when he learned that I had a license.

One ham sent us a check for enough to buy a new 2m Yaesu HT (FT-270), plus get some feed line for the mobile, NiCd batteries and 12 V adapters for the FT-470s, and maybe some other basics.

No flakes. No backing out. Nobody has asked for a dime. None of these hams have the first clue who I am, beyond what I told them on the swap net.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by JOHNZ on May 31, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@AG6CF

Now, if you are truly that grateful to these people who have donated equipment, you should investigate writing them a letter (not an email), formally thanking them for their donation.

Why? Because they may be able to claim their donation as a tax deductible charitable donation?

Granted, this is a complicated subject, and the Obama administration has made it worse by ordering the IRS to take a hostile aggressive obstructive position to conservative organizations.

Much too depends on your organization's status. Are you a 501(c)3 organization? Many factors come into play, consult your tax adviser.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on June 2, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
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by KG8LB on May 1, 2014
Kenwood "boatanchors" ??? . I haven't yet met a Kenwood that couldn't get lifted with one hand .

On the other hand , if the OP can call today , agree on a price , arrange to be in Utica Michigan this Saturday and bring his own loading crew he can take home a very nice looking , complete BC-610E .



RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams Reply
by K9MHZ on May 1, 2014
Then of Friday night, you can tell him that you need some time to think about it.


No , not quite ! Since the OP could not commit to buy his "lifetime dream" transmitter within a reasonable time frame ; I simply listed it on eBay for about twice the original offer price . It sold in about 3 hours . Now on it's way to a new home in Spain . Of course the shipping is about twice the sale price in this case .


http://www.ebay.com/itm/171346733176?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649#ht_164wt_1366

 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by K8AC on June 2, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Reminds me of the time several years ago when I decided I wanted a Drake TR7 and advertised for one in the online classifieds. The next day, I got a call from a guy telling me how much I was going to love the TR7 and he went on to tell me that he had 14 of them still sealed in the factory boxes in a closet. He said he bought what was left from Drake when they got out of that business. He went on for 20 minutes and I finally asked him about buying one of the TR7s. He explained that he wasn't sure he was ready to sell one yet, but would contact me when he was. That was years ago and never heard from him. Don't know if there were any TR7s in his closet or not.
 
RE: Boat Anchors and Flaky Hams  
by KG8LB on June 3, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
And for every one of those anecdotals there are probably 500 "I'll take it , the money order will go out tomorrow !" You take down your listing , wait a week , send them an email ot 10 , give them a phone call. At best you never hear from them again , the worst of them swear they sent the money and/or give you a litany of excuses , most of them seem to come from a published list as come up from many sources .
 
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by KA5PIU on June 4, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hello.

I have "Tested the waters" before and indicated something was for sale.
OK, have you ever SEEN a BC-610?
The thing is huge!
You do NOT keep on under the sofa!
With that said, I have a complete SCR-299.
Yes, complete.
It is a museum piece that is set up when I do state guard functions.
Does it work? that is the wrong question.
The question should be, when can you work it.
The thing only does AM or CW, that is it.
But, the BC-610 requires that it be disassembled or a crane to lift.
So, I can understand, 3 months, perhaps the guy does what I do, takes it apart.
It comes apart into 11 parts, all with screw terminals and plugs.
Everything is numbered, but still, it takes a day.
And I mean start in the morning and finish that afternoon!
 
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