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FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:

Mark Stennett (NA6M) on July 22, 2014
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The FCC today, issued a Notice Of Apparent Liability For Forfeiture to Brian Crow, K3VR, citing intentional interference and failure to identify his station. More information may be seen at:

DA-14-1031A1.pdf

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FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by KK5DR on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's about dang time they nailed this guy. He has been doing his thing on 14.313 for years.
Now, to go after the other lids on there and clean up the cesspool.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K3VR on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This NAL is complete and utter crap. If you read it you'll see there's no evidence other than a "signal heard" and if you look even closer, they only heard SSTV and a recording of another amateur, but they never heard me!

If we all examine the news stories about Fast and Furious; Benghazi; IRS; the immigration failures; the VA scandal; etc., we really have to wonder about gov't hiring practices.

Key words: "apparent liability"

de K3VR

 
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by N4DSP on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
BUSTED!!!

Good Job FCC. Keep at it.

john
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K7CB on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
So, explain to us why YOUR station was identified as the source of the interference if you supposedly weren't home at the time? I find it HIGHLY unlikely the FCC would simply single your residence out just because it looked good. I'm not saying you're guilty of anything but they're pretty accurate on these things.
 
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by K3VR on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Every one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. There was no bust. Read the allegations. "Apparent" has the same meaning as a "guess" in this case and the only evidence is some SSTV and a recording of another amateur being played by someone, but not me. If someone with a badge came to your brother's house to accuse him of something he didn't do, and even if it published in the newspaper, even if it had never gone to court, would you yell "BUSTED" at him? I don't think so. An allegation is simply that.



They told me they heard two transmissions in the AM, and then they returned in the afternoon to inspect when I was home. When they inspected, the radio wasn't tuned to 14.313, the radio was off and cold, the antenna was broken, the amp was off and cold and they had the audacity to defame me by including an upward departure of $3,500 for a Warning Letter I never received which was never issued. That's right; it doesn't exist!

Benghazi; IRS; ICE; FCC.. see a pattern?
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K2GWK on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I would expect a reply like that from someone who was caught red handed. Thank you FCC for your efforts.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K3VR on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
That's hilarious. I was told there would be retaliation by friends of ex-K1MAN and VE7KFM and I was told there would be a "set-up" where the criminals would bypass Laura Smith and go to the Philadelphia Director, who wasn't aware of my help in several FCC cases.

That's exactly what happened. One of the Bubbas drove to my house, jammed for awhile, called the FCC and said "Look what's happening here!"

The FCC dutifully showed up, recorded the local jammer (not my voice obviously)and now they would apparently like to pin it on me. It's not going to work out like that.

They tried previously with an anthrax hoax (debunked) a sex-slavery hoax (debunked) and several other equally ridiculous hoaxes (all debunked). The FBI has also weighed in and told the FCC about all the previous hoaxes. The Fat Lady isn't even warming up on this one folks!

:)
 
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by N4DSP on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K3VR NO ONE is buying it. You are the cat with feather's in it's mouth. YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED so go play on your citizens band radio and tomorrow contact your bank for a second mortgage.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K9MHZ on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yep. GREAT work FCC!!

And, don't let this tool whine about an inability to pay. He knew for years what he was doing.
 
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by K9MHZ on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
If anyone's interested, you can check out this latest entry on the wall of losers.....

http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/Welcome.html

 
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by N2RRA on July 22, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Next idiot on 14.313 the FCC has to nab is W4AMP that's part of that group.

I've received e-mails from various hams telling me W4AMP was using my call sign in darogatory ways. If they sit in front of his house they'll eventually fine him 22K which will make us all even happier. I don't think these guys can help themselves from the crap that comes out their mouths all day and night.

Just a matter of time!!

 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by KC2HRG on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Way to go FCC. I say sites like qrz and eham.net should ban the call also. What a lid!
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by KC8IIR on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
What is the due process in this case ? From what i read in the paperwork, this man is in violation of what?
i cannot with certainty declare 100% conviction from the written oberservation. If you can convict a fellow ham based on these written gratuitous assertions, your next!

I am sorry you don't like k3vr, He might be a complete bag of crap, or a humanitarian. Certainly anyone who is doing this type of nonsense can be caught red handed without the word "apparent" in the proof line. To have a fellow group of amateurs cheering Nazi like convictions of another ham is just not acceptable. You might want to put the cb mic down if you think this is good.

Greg kc8iir

 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by JOHNZ on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@KC8IIR

Why don't you research what the process is, after the commission issues a NAL, before complaining about it?

Hint: In very general terms, after the issuance of the NAL, the subject can pay it or negotiate it with the commission. Next is the administrative appeal process all the way up to an ALJ. From there, it may go into the federal court system.

As far as your opinion of his innocence, your opinion of his guilt or innocence, is meaningless and irrelevant. Same goes for me, except I have no opinion either way.
 
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by JOHNZ on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I have no opinion either way about this subject.

As a professional management level broadcast engineer, I can state from experience, and hindsight in this case, that it is best to avoid problems with the feds.

One way to avoid problems with the feds is to take their friendly and informal warnings and advisories very seriously and act on them in the way they want you to.

Defying or ignoring their informal communications is tantamount to repeatedly poking the big dog in his eye and daring him to do something.

When I get friendly informal communications from the commission, I take it very seriously and immediately correct the problem. I then report back to them, even though not required to do so, and ask them if the situation now meets their approval. Having conducted business with the commission in this manner for years has led to an excellent working relationship with them.

My impression of the commission? I hate working with the paper pushing bureaucrats, but I enjoy working with the field engineers. Generally speaking, their field engineers are 4-year degreed engineers with a B.S. in electrical/electronic engineering. Some have advanced degrees. They also employ non professional electronic engineering technicians who do not possess a 4-year college degree.

Every high profile case, such as this one, is investigated by the commission's professional level engineers, because their testimony in the courtroom is the most credible, from a technical stand point. I would bet professional level engineers investigated and collected evidence in this subject's case.

They approach every investigation, such as this, with the understanding that it will ultimately go into the federal court system, whether it does or not. Thus, they are very deliberate and concise in collecting on site evidence that will stand up in a federal courtroom.

Long range HFDF will not stand up in court, which is why an on site investigation is conducted. I have seen their investigative vehicles. They are ordinary vehicles, no external antennas and no U.S. Government license tags. The DF antenna is normally embedded in the roof of the vehicle. Their sophisticated equipment can precisely trace the source of a signal directly to the antenna it is emanating from. I heard something a while back about them using electronic fingerprint technology too. Field strength measurements may also be taken, for additional evidence. Recordings are made for signal processing and analysis. Photographs and videos may be obtained during an on site investigation, as well as other evidence collecting techniques.

The on site inspection is performed mainly for one reason, and that is to collect additional evidence. The inspection can be done at any time and may not be done at all, it depends. Engineers may opt to collect additional evidence during the inspection or they may not.

It is standard procedure for the District Engineer to issue a NAL, nothing unusual with that. It is also standard procedure for the DD to supervise the investigation.

Again, my advice, avoid trouble with the feds. They have no sense of humor. Their goal is to bring compliance with FCC rules and regulations. Do that, and you will rarely, if ever, hear from them.



 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K9MHZ on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Well put, JOHNZ. I always find the "I'm innocent, I tell ya I was set up, you're next" crowd amusing. Of all of the Jerry Springer trailer trash behavior on repeaters and 14313, they only actually nail a handful every year. 700,000 U.S. hams, but these few were "set up."

Boy, they must have some really bad luck to be "targeted" so mercilessly.

Great work, FCC.
 
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by W7ASA on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Good Job FCC!

It is wonderful to read about the FCC conducting these very successful field investigations & punishing these jammers and other miscreants. I know from personal, hands-on experience that close field DF is quite accurate and RFP (radio finger printing) if used in combination would be particularly damning in a case of this nature.

As for this 'alleged' jammer bringing-up crooked politicians' mishandling of Benghazi and etc. as a defense: those tragic events are ENTIRELY irrelevant to this investigation.

-...-

To: FCC

Please continue your MUCH WELCOMED attitude adjustments on these few jammers and soon word of their fines and pathetic whining will spread. Intentional jammers are cowards, hiding in what they HOPE is anonymity. Fear of exposure and financial loss will cause them to stop.

-...-

Sic Semper Imbecillus!

73 de Ray
W7ASA ..._ ._
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K3VR, you can have fun all day pontificating on the meaning of the word "apparent". If you don't pay up you'll be wearing an orange jumpsuit and working DX will be talking to the guy across the cell block. Have fun, 73, and don't drop the soap.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by JOHNZ on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey

The NAL is a -CIVIL- liabililty aka a -CIVIL- forfeiture.

I am not an attorney, and judging by your statement, you are not either, but I would guess one could say it is similar to one losing a lawsuit and then having to pay up damages.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by KC8IIR on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I read another case recently where a guy was fined 22k with an 8 call and was caught red handed. The fcc stated that he was committing the act while they were in his driveway. Now that is an open and closed case.

john , you are right, the other stuff is not relevant. the government is above the law. Only folks that are the 1% use terms like "your next and I was set up".
You cannot come up with that stuff unless you are wealthy. They wealthy 1% see life through a different set of lenses.

Not sure where the Jerry Springer reference comes from, this is radio not TV. The casting should be less fiction.

If he is guilty, that's fine , not excited to see people happy with another persons grief.

This is like your neighbor celebrating your IRS audit stating he knew you were guilty, driving all those fancy cars and wearing those fancy cloths.

Hard to see celebration at an event like this.

Greg kc8iir
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by W6EM on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Quite a stretch, Brian. Especially that you claim someone in a mobile station was parked at your residence or nearby and set you up. Unless that person was using a horizontally polarized antenna, located exactly where your antenna was, it would be VERY hard for an RDF set with a rotatable loop parked outside to mistake your antenna for a nefarious mobile with a vertical radiating nearby.

Granted, distant triangulation would be somewhat imprecise, hence the different city names with the same Zip Code area in her email inquiry. Sort of like here with Birmingham and Hoover, AL, both having a couple of common Zip codes over about 30 square miles.

I'm surprised. Especially that you denied being there when the monitoring took place. I'm sure that by now, they've recorded enough of your emissions to know what your transmitter's PLL VCO signature looks like. Irrefutable evidence.

At least, unlike her predecessor, Ms. Smith doesn't release warnings and inquiry communications to the ARRL before final bureau actions. Far too many innocent persons were drug through the mud over the years before substantial evidence was collected.

73.

Lee

 
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by N1FM on July 23, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Really???? I have two words regarding an NAL. Glenn Baxter. Many of you old men will be dead by the time the FCC collects.. Glenn has been on the air almost 10 years after his NAL Good luck in the contest. de n1fm
 
FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by JOHNZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I have no opinion on this subject, just sharing experience.

The feds have the upper hand at this point, and you can bet they have built a very solid case. As far as making comparisons to the Baxter case, forget it. You are talking apples and oranges. The commission will not repeat the mistakes they made in the Baxter case, plus both cases differ greatly.

Arrogance and defiance are not advisable at this point. That is further poking the big dog in his eye. Most important thing needed at this point is retaining a communications attorney who is admitted to practice before the commission.

Will it drag on for years? Doubtful, it will not come close to dragging on as long as the Baxter case has. Enter the communications attorney, he could negotiate an end to this case in a year, two at the most. Just guessing again, but with a contrite attitude and a good attorney, the end result could be paying an amount less than half what the feds have assessed, with the bonus of retaining an amateur radio license with no restrictions on it.

Going to be an interesting case to watch, and again, I am betting the feds make few, if any, mistakes this time around.
 
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by NI3I on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Esteemed Amateur community,

I am not a regular poster to these forums however I would be remiss if I stood by while my friend K3VR is bashed by people who are unfamiliar with the circumstances and/or Brian Crow. I have known Brian for more than 25 years and have found his character to be nothing short of exemplary. If Brian is guilty of the "alleged charges", I am sure it was worth the 11.5k to him to "censor" the idiot, who was the original ham making inappropriate threats to people. Sort of like spending 20 bucks to get your shoes shined while waiting for a taxi! Eh Brain? Although it is extremely unlikely that the FCC will ever be able to collect, I would be happy to offer the first 100.00 to a fund to cover this ridiculous forfeiture in memory of KB3CX and WB3KJG who would be proud of Brian. If you feel the urge to flame me for this comment, save it, because I don't normally read these threads and have no intention of returning for further discussion on the subject. You don't know me, so you can't judge and you likely don't know Brian either.

Peace and 73's

Michael
 
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by W5GNB on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Couldn't have happened to a Nicer Guy !!!! ....LOL !!!
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K9MHZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah a real humanitarian, that K3VR.

Michael, we've all got HF rigs and have been fully aware of those characters for years....hardly "unfamiliar."

 
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by W6EM on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Over the last half dozen years, K3VR and I have had many email exchanges over the subjects of the former licensee of K1MAN, and the FCC's at times unusual enforcement practices. Mostly the latter, as nothing gets me more excited than selective prosecution. Going after one violation/violator aggressively, while completely ignoring others doing the same things.

For example, the egregious, unlicensed operation by scores of Indianapolis PD officers a few years ago on the 2M band. Ignored by Laura Smith. And, the extreme forfeiture heaped on a Chinese family business in NJ for using an unlawful cordless phone that also operated on 2M (Riley Hollingsworth's work). And, looking the other way when Recon Robotics sold their 70cM TV robots to four police departments who operated them for about a year without licenses. Nice work, FCC. You even had multiple complaints, yet failed to order them to stop using them or rightfully issue citations and Forfeiture Orders to all of them, including Recon Robotics for marketing unlicensed devices at the time.

Well, if the evidence gathered is correct, their proposed penalty is probably not that out of line. However, until the FCC demonstrates that it enforces the Communications Act fairly and equitably, especially when it comes to local government violators, I'll remain a staunch critic. Folks, we still have the best government that money can buy.

73.

Lee
W6EM

 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
NI3I, there are no exemplary characters or heroes on this frequency. Regardless of who started what on the frequency, anyone who was attempting to address, censor, punish, or otherwise communicate with the "idiot" was just as much a part of the problem and made the frequency the shithole it's known as today. And regardless if you read this reply or not, others can read it and should know that these self-proclaimed heroes are nothing of the sort.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ, no, I am not an attorney, but at some point I would imagine this would be escalated, prosecuted, lien issued, wages garnished, or some legal remedy would be available to be exercised, regardless if it's a civil action. Otherwise, the law and the fine would have no teeth. Whether some agency or court would find it worthwhile to pursue it further if no payment was made is another discussion. I'll defer to someone who is an attorney versed in the subject.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
> while completely ignoring others doing the same things

Your argument falls apart here. The K3VR and K1MAN situations were quite different from everything else you cite like the Recon Robots, the Indianapolis PD, and the Chinese family business. Other than emitting RF, they weren't doing the same things.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by K9MHZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Well, since you brought up the Indianapolis PD matter, maybe the facts surrounding what really happened might be appropriate.....

The officers WERE licensed ham radio operators. It was very similar in concept to licensing astronauts as Technicians before they fly.....not a real love for the hobby, but a convenience for them in their jobs. Luckily the astronauts stay in the ham bands, though. The IPD rules allowed for personal comm radios to be installed in their police vehicles, provided they were appropriately licensed (they were) and that the IPD radio shop, not the officer, did the installation. Local hams who also listened to scanners noticed activity in the 150+ MHz range, which I think (not sure) at the time was used by a local school system for bus communications. The few local hams who noticed the activity (one is an infamous nutjob, currently interfering with a local 2 meter repeater, and has a history of "police pretending" and attempting to pull over vehicles on the local interstate) went straight to the local TV stations to get on the news, which they did. The IPD chief was immediately involved and later the FCC notified. Apparently, the IPD officers had managed to cut diodes in their Kenwood radios to get some clear "chat" freqs above the 2 meter band. What "saved" the officers involved were the proactive enforcement steps taken by the IPD chief, as well as the FCC's determination that his actions were sufficient to correct the matter. No one had the stomach to come down hard on the officers, since crime had really spiked in the city, and the officers were (and still are) in a battle for their lives every night. BTW, we've had two shot and killed in a year.

Wrong, absolutely. Corrected quickly, yes. Jamming or interfering, no.

W6EM, not sure if that's an example of "the best government money can buy", but that's what happened.

Draw your own conclusions.

 
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by JOHNZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey

We agree, and yes, you can bank on it, the feds WILL collect, in some form. Why? Because this is a highly symbolic case, and they have invested heavily in the case. Where you were mistaken was in alluding to a criminal nature to the case. It is NOT a criminal case, in its present form. It is a CIVIL matter at this point in time. Collection procedures are specific and dictated by law: If the subject refuses to pay, negotiate, or administratively appeal the case, it will then be referred to the U.S. Attorney and the federal court system for further action. Yes, Mr VR has a heap of trouble in his lap from the feds, but if he is wise, he will adopt a contrite attitude and greatly minimize his losses, while following the advice of his communications attorney.

@NI3I

Why run off? If your friend means that much to you, stick around and educate the readers why you believe so. Simply ignore the childish remarks and speak to us who will discuss it in an adult manner with you.

Based on my personal experience as a management level professional broadcast engineer, I will strongly disagree with your assertion that the feds will never collect. Oh yes they will, in one form or another, and they have learned much from the mistakes they made in the Baxter case. The feds have way too much invested in this case, and they will not simply write it off and go away. Like I said once before, the key here is for your friend to immediately retain a communications attorney who is admitted to practice before the commission and let him start talking to the feds.
 
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by K9MHZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>Yes, Mr VR has a heap of trouble in his lap from the feds, but if he is wise, he will adopt a contrite attitude and greatly minimize his losses, while following the advice of his communications attorney.<<<<


Yep. Quite contrary to his cavalier posts above. Personally, I hope he does remain defiant. It will be that much easier to make an example out of him.

 
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by W1IT on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
My goodness, I am a Extra Class operator from the old days, 1964, where no extra band segments, just a rather good no answers published for monkeys to learn.

Now, I am rather concerned with why the FCC at this time, after 15 years, finally dragon heads these guys who quite frankly were, even if guilty, far less of any public threat than a drunk on I-81?

Could old man Riley's ghost be here. he was the worst bully and worst lawyer the FCC has ever allowed to free wheel. I say free wheel, because he sent letters on official FCC forms from no more than collective hearsay evidence.
So, if we use Mr. Riley as an example, yes even Mr. Crow should be allowed to defend himself. But, I fear he may be too far gone and one French fry short of an entire happy meal to get very far with a corrupted service such as our FCC.
Don't let the FCC show Boat. Lets hear both sides and as far as offenders on said frequency, he is just the tip of the iceberg.
Peace
 
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by K9MHZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>far less of any public threat than a drunk on I-81?<<<<

You're much, much smarter than putting out this lack of logic in your argument. Oh well, I'm guilty of that as well.

But to your larger point, while many didn't like Riley's methods, many others thought he was finally someone who took his enforcement role seriously. He was very direct and could be personally abrasive, but even under him, how many people were personally affected? True, some ham band buttheads were, much to the delight of the rest of us, but on balance it just gets back to my question....of 700,000+ U.S. hams, why do just these few get "singled out, treated unfairly", etc? I reminds me of the alcoholic who has so much conflict in his life, but can't see what the rest of the world around him sees.

These steep fines are set so to be a deterrent in and of themselves. In VR's case, they even upped his a bit due to a disregard of previous warnings.

You can't fix stupid, but you can surely make it expensive.

 
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by AK4AV on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It would seem unlikely that some other station was responsible for the transmissions. Still, the wording of the NAL leaves out information.

The FCC agents did not inspect the station while the transmissions were occurring. Why not? Could it have been because no one was in the residence?

They noted that the station did not identify by callsign. Could that have been because the station was not operating?

It states that the signals were "emanating" from this station, but provides no detail. Typically in court the DF documentation is provided.

They confirmed that his station was "capable" of transmitting on the 20m frequency, and that sounds impressive, but umpteen amateur stations are also capable of operating on that frequency.

Normally in these cases the investigators look to see if the transmitter is tuned to the frequency of concern, but I did not see such an assertion in the NAL. Did FCC know that the antenna was broken? If broken, how can the station be capable of operating?

If the licensee refuses to pay and goes to court over the fine, it is my understanding that the FCC can't pull the license until the court reaches a decision. This is one reason why that so-called "bulletin" station in Maine was able to keep operating for so long with license expired and fine owed.

But it doesn't matter that the Maine station never paid. It is no longer a licensed Amateur station. If it continues operating, I would expect a visit from the Marshal's Service.
 
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by JOHNZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@AK4AV

You have not read all the postings here. I addressed virtually all those issues in a previous posting.

There is no requirement for the commission to disclose all its evidence in the NAL. However, they conduct every field investigation with the assumption that the case could ultimately go into the federal court system.
Rest assured the feds have every single duck lined up in a perfect row, and they will not repeat their mistakes made in the Baxter case. This is a high profile case, with a big investment on the feds' part.

Unfortunately, it is perfectly legal at this point for the commission to play with a deck stacked in their favor.
 
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by W1IT on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
These steep fines are set so to be a deterrent in and of themselves. In VR's case, they even upped his a bit due to a disregard of previous warnings.

My point of view is rather an over arching one of government's role in the day to day conduct in AR.
If indeed some public threat existed, yes, such fines are still rather steep. FCC fines millionaire broadcasters less. They in fact come into American life as unelected officious badgers. I think , although I say under current law this is not the case, FCC needs stay and away from content and behavior. Just do their job of watching out for malicious interference and other technical issues.

When nitty gritty content comes into play, lots of injustice usually follows. Hollingworth was a bad lawyer and a bully. Research into his conduct will substantiate this.
 
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by W1IT on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This was on my mind too. Why not bust at the door. They do this with FM band pirates.

Or could they, tsk, " just taken time out for a tax payer paid lunch."
 
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by N9OGL on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Two down a lot more to go. GOOD FOR YOU FCC!!!
These guys for years were going around claiming they couldn't be touched, but now we see the truth. Just hope the FCC doesn't stop there.


Todd N9OGL
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by W6EM on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, let’s do get our “facts” straight.

S***key: Violations of the Communications Act are misdemeanors for the most part. Few felonies. The Usually, the Commission chooses to administratively assess penalties. However, in the case of one Jack Gerritsen, Hollingsworth had to “scream his head off” to get the US Attorney for the Southern District of CA to prosecute as felonies and misdemeanors. So, it can be done, but rarely.

K9MHZ:
Well, from your point of view, it sounds like all was well with the Indy PD. Not from what I recall from the video clip produced by the Indy Channel TV station. In fact, the reporter was himself a ham, so despite your labelling the official complainant as a crank, the video stood on its own merits.

I remember the reporter's words very well. Upwards of 50 patrol cars with Kenwood TR-281s installed. Yes, by the PD’s own radio technician.

Only one or two of the PD perpetrators were hams. And, then enters the 'good ole' ARRL. Instead of pushing newly appointed Laura Smith to prosecute, they stepped up and strongly urged the local club to put on a crash Technician License training program. And, voila, about two dozen Indy PD officers got their Technician tickets really quickly (and probably included new subscriptions to QST). Some might have even called such antics by the League being an Accessory After the Fact. Perhaps, even, Obstruction of Justice.

Your claim that only licensed hams operated (and modified) the radios falls apart, simply from the fact that it’s doubtful that all of the 50 or so cruisers were assigned solely to officers with amateur licenses. Three shifts in a 24 hour period, right? So, even if one were licensed, the other two using each patrol cars with the 2M transceivers weren’t. There sat a second radio, all set to go, for kabitzing on whatever frequencies they wanted to use. Not recorded or monitored by the dispatchers or supervision.

I do remember something about some who might have been licensed before, but a boatload of the guilty sure stepped up to get licenses in a hurry, apparently in hopes of avoiding federal prosecution.

Then again, someone, perhaps even Laura Smith herself, said that her father was a retired police chief. So, there she went, pulling punches right out of the box.

Never mind that unlicensed operation and failing to identify stations carry stiff penalties elsewhere. But, not at the police department, where all the chief has to say is “knock it off” and all is well.

73.

Lee
W6EM
Leeds, AL

 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by KE4RS on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
A couple of comments. I have heard you operating on 14,313 in the past and I don’t like you!!!
But you can snake yourself out of this one easily.
One- Find an attorney (so get ready to pay anyways)
Two – Be apologetic, save your Benghazi-IRS-UFO conspiracy theories for your next Tom Clancy style novel. Say I made a mistake and I won’t do it again. Once you win you can continue to be a dirt bag in 14.313 and other frequencies and save energy and money for your next problems with the FCC down the line. Fat Mike is an expert on this field he can give you good advice.
Three- If you cannot contain yourself find another hobby.
You’ll be fine, no worries.
Jose, MBA, BSEE.
PS- Make decent friends on the radio so most hams won’t be cheering every time you get in trouble.
 
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by JOHNZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W6EM

Laura Smith's father is Richard "Dick" M Smith, Chief of the FCC's now defunct Field Operations Bureau. In my line of work, I had some dealings with him over the years.

Generally speaking, the commission is going to extend every courtesy possible to a "fellow" law enforcement organization. They often require assistance from them, while conducting investigations and busts, so don't look too soon for the commission to initiate an adverse action against law enforcement.
 
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by W1IT on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
If Ham radio were as popular as CB was in the 1980's, I'd agree. Stand Your Ground and fight. But basically IMHO the era of so called personal radio has ended and media wouldn't derive much smoke from his case.

None the less bullying by a government agency can come from a number of agencies not just FCC. They are oiled with hubris and attorneys.

I'm thinking K 3 VR is quite a spinmeister, because the FCC tech trucks tagged him locally, not from a distance. The distance tags are never accurate enough to hold up in court of law.
 
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by N1FM on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
N9OGl I suppose you speak from experience with your two FCC warning letters. LMAO

http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions.old/files/Daugh08_02_08_1171.html
 
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by JOHNZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W1IT

I agree. The FCC needs better hubris, tech trucks, and tags.

 
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by N9OGL on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Warning letters aren't NOTHING compared to a NAL. NAL's are FAR WORSE then a warning letter.

And FYI I got a NOI (Notice of an inquiry) and a warning letter

Todd N9OGL
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by W1IT on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I bet you listen to Gospel music, have a very short hair cut and boll?
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N6YW on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Based on this discussion alone, and with the documentation of the NAL in plain view before us, it seems to me that Mr. Crow's responses on a public forum regarding a Federal Civil matter filed against him are not advisable on any level. Whether he is innocent or guilty, he still has to bear the responsibility of dealing with this matter in a way that affords him a reasonable legal footing. Doing so here, or on the air will not offer any protection in his defense. It is foolhardy at best, and ANY attorney worth his salt would advise the client to remain silent and refrain from discussing the case to anyone not affiliated with it.
Offering by his own admission, a description of cause and circumstance here on a PUBLIC FORUM is a giant red flag and is the equivalent of the Jim Rome Show manual buzzer. Not a good call.

Personally, I could care less. Anyone who is stupid enough to jeopardize themselves in a way that would attract this kind of attention from the Government and the public has to deal with a tremendous amount of scrutiny and as evidenced here, opinion and judgement by his peers. Who knows, maybe he thrives on this.
Good luck in the contest.
Billy N6YW
 
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by K9MHZ on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>>>by W6EM on July 24, 2014 Yes, let’s do get our “facts” straight.<<<<


Not a bad idea at all, especially since you have absolutely no clue what you're writing about. That is absolutely NOT how the events unfolded.

I'm amazed at how someone from the deep south (with a "6" call...hmmmm) can be so presumptuous to think he knows what happened from afar. Much, much that happens locally gets passed through the grapevine, and your reliance on that news report is laughable. They are goofballs, and they gave 10 minutes of fame to some of THE most hilljack losers that we have locally.

The IPD screwed up that one, but they've got more class than you could ever dream to have.


Good grief.



 
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by W6EM on July 24, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Well, when you can do nothing else, you resort to personal attacks to try and discredit what **was** produced by a credible reporter, who was also a local ham. I won't ask whether or not you're one of the men in blue. Couldn't care less.

Let's see, its been several years now, but it was big news on AR Newsline, the ARRL Letter, the usual AR media outlets.

I may be old and gray (retired) here in AL where its much more affordable than CA, but my brain and most of my senses still function well enough (reading, writing and memory) to get along.

I guess it wasn't Laura's father that was a retired PD chief, but another close relative. I do seem to remember her being an FCC nepot, though.

Where was your version of the story at the time [to] straighten out the TV station ham reporter, Newsline and the ARRL Letter?

My gripe is that the FCC selectively prosecutes and has for many, many years. If K3VR and others have been doing this jam session stuff for almost as long as K1MAN had, why was Baxter singled out and not the rest of them until now? ARRL's doing, since he seemed to always challenge the League? Hard to say, but having at least one Commission employee anointed as Ham of the Year and the League paying for Commission employee travel expenses to hamfests probably didn't hurt either.

 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
>Anyone who is stupid enough to jeopardize themselves in a way...

Anyone who has purposely spent months and years of their life on 14.313 probably isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
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by K9MHZ on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Bingo. The League's newsletter from yesterday has a copy of the FCC's narrative on both guys. They've had a long history of this, and had been warned previously. Now, there only defense is to parse the "NAL" wording. Good luck with that, guys.

Maybe they'll seek donations on a street corner....

"Will jam for food. Won't you help? Good bless you."

 
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by N6YW on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yes indeed, right here:
http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-alleges-deliberate-interference-failure-to-identify-in-proposing-substantial-fines-for-two-radio
 
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by N9OGL on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Bottom line, K3VR was caught. he can claim all he wants that it wasn't him, but If you read the NAL it states

"On March 14, 2014, agents from the Philadelphia Office located the source of interference to frequency 14.313 MHz to Mr. Crow’s amateur station K3VR. Although Mr. Crow stated he was not present at his house at the time, the agents heard Mr. Crow intentionally interfering with other amateur licensees by transmitting SSTV emissions and prerecorded communications from other amateur
radio operators on the frequency.10"

Number 10 states:

"10 The agents kept Mr. Crow’s residence under constant observation while they monitored frequency 14.313 MHz
and saw no one enter or leave the residence until after the interfering transmissions occurred."

meaning they (The FCC) was outside his house watching it.

Todd N9OGL
 
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by W6EM on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
From what I remember, N9OGL, you had quite a run in with several amateurs, including K3VR. Wasn't there something about you shooting someone with a gun or brandishing one somewhere? It wasn't Brian, but someone else. I'm pretty certain that Brian publicized something to that effect.

If the gun charge was accurate, was the FCC informed about your ultimate adjucdication? They at least used to frown on convicted felons retaining their licenses. that is, if true that you did something with a firearm that resulted in a conviction.
 
RE: N9OGL  
by W6EM on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The record shows that your license expired in February 2012, and that your renewal is "pending" Enforcement Bureau action. So, I guess that they are aware.......of something.

Since you're so fast to poke at Brian, let's hear your story or stories....
 
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by JOHNZ on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@W6EM

You raise an interesting question about convicted felons holding amateur radio licenses. I have no idea what the FCC policy or rules are for convicted felons holding an amateur radio license. Maybe someone here knows?

I know my company will not hire convicted felons into any engineering position or a position of trust which requires handling cash or accounting records. We hire them only into non sensitive positions.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N9OGL on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
W6EM stated

"From what I remember, N9OGL, you had quite a run in with several amateurs, including K3VR. Wasn't there something about you shooting someone with a gun or brandishing one somewhere? It wasn't Brian, but someone else. I'm pretty certain that Brian publicized something to that effect.

If the gun charge was accurate, was the FCC informed about your ultimate adjucdication? They at least used to frown on convicted felons retaining their licenses. that is, if true that you did something with a firearm that resulted in a conviction.
The record shows that your license expired in February 2012, and that your renewal is "pending" Enforcement Bureau action. So, I guess that they are aware.......of something.

Since you're so fast to poke at Brian, let's hear your story or stories....'

***

I combined your comments into one to make it easier on me.

First off I was never charged with a gun charge or even a felony. I was charged under ILLINOIS law (which may be unconstitutional, waiting for the US Supreme Court case this fall to determine it) for harassment via an electronic device after an employee of the telephone company threatened to cut off my testicles. Illinois's harassment via a electronic device (again waiting on the constitutionally on it from US Supreme court) is a class B misdemeanor. The other problem the state has is the local police was aware that I was being threatened but they (the police and state) stated "they can do nothing about it." people even threatened to kill me at my work. they problem is they went after me, yet allowed people threaten me via mail, email and phone, a violation of my 14th amendment right.

As for poking at Brian, I was merely point a fact out that was in the NAL not poking at him. If you read the NAL they (the FCC) sat in front of his while the interference was going on. Read the NAL

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0722/DA-14-1031A1.pdf

Todd N9OGL
 
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by W6EM on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
OK. Well, I guess I owe you an apology for assuming the worst. And, it wasn't an objective source on the web that had the story....

Hopefully, you will be able to clear your name and ultimately obtain justice against those who victimized you.

With respect to your Part 15 SW station, the Commission always uses E field strength, so take some measurements with a field strength meter to make sure that you're at or below the required levels. That way, if they show up, you won't have a problem....

73.

Lee
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N9OGL on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Ok, Yeah, I think someone told the FCC that I had a felony that's why it was flag. When I don't have one. I don't know who told the FCC that, but I has some good ideas. This same person or persons also told my employer who fired me over it. if I was the FCC or even the state of Illinois I would fix this little problem quickly and quietly...because they are looking at a lawsuit

As for my Part 15 station I also used a field strength meter from a friend of mine who use to work for the FCC back 80's, he's been retired now for a while. He was also the one who help me fill out the application(S) and waivers for a SW station which the FCC international service wouldn't except, despite the fact the federal courts has stated since the 1960's the FCC MUST accept waivers, even ones of non-frivolous first amendment claims.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
How does someone get a telephone company employee to threaten to cut their testicles off *and* get death threats from other people at work? Of course no one should have to endure all that, but doesn't it give that person pause? Perhaps the thought occurs that they're doing stuff they probably shouldn't be doing, behavior that is attracting such bad karma? Just sayin'.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N9OGL on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
It's one thing to go after one license, it's another thing to go after their livelihood (i.e. their job)these individuals did both.
 
RE: N9OGL  
by W6EM on July 25, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
There's a thing called a FOIA, or Freedom of Information Act request. If I were you, I'd make one of the FCC. While they will likely redact/black out other's names, by law, they have to give you all of their documentation concerning you. Including all manner of correspondence concerning you.

At least you can use the data to build a defense, if its baseless.

I've made them before, but not from the FCC.
 
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by SSBER on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
it's Obama's fault
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by SSBER on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe K3VR was low hanging fruit.
 
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by WB3ATF on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
My hats off to the FCC for finally identifying and initiating enforcement action against another moron that is obsessed with stalking Karol Madera and that intentionally transmits interference every time Madera is involved in a QSO. Hopefully all the wackos like K3VR will be hunted down and fined by the FCC!
 
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by MAGNUM257 on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K3VR, you have huge brass ones!!! Trying to wriggle out of being caught red handed. You and all of the other morons deserve exactly what you get for causing the mess on 14.313. Kudos to the FCC for finally dropping the hammer. AWESOME!!
 
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by MAGNUM257 on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
K3VR, you have huge brass ones!!! Trying to wriggle out of being caught red handed. You and all of the other morons deserve exactly what you get for causing the mess on 14.313. Kudos to the FCC for finally dropping the hammer. AWESOME!!
 
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by MAGNUM257 on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Please excuse the double post....
 
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by KF8HW on July 26, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Their licenses should have been permanently revoked in addition to the fines. This is the only way to get these guys off the air.
 
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by JOHNZ on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@KF8HW

By tossing around legal terminology like "license revocation," you confirm your ignorance of The Communications Act.

Go read the information I left for you over in the KZ8O thread. You posted the same misinformed assertions over in that thread too.
 
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by SSBER on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Cardinal rule #1 never advertise your call sign on public forums like this.
 
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by AB5S on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The slavering lynch mob needs to put away its pitch forks and calm down.
Allegations are not proof, and we're a long way from "proof" here. We have "due process"
for a reason and the Federal Government has proven itself to be corrupt and easily-used
as a weapon many, many times.
If Uncle Sam told me it was a sunny day, I'd buy a rain coat and you have said something similar.
Remember that now. Brian Crow might be many things, but he's not stupid as a rock,
which is what one has to be to QRM from one's home QTH,
especially when one is "high profile" like Brian.
This whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
I've had dealings with the FCC's "direction finding"
and I want to see some real "proof" before I condemn a man. "Do unto others...."
So back up and take a breath, folks.
If he's guilty, it will come out in due course.
Remember- when you join a mindless lynch mod,
you make it easier for you and your buddies to be
the next ones lynched when you disagree with "the man."
We're all better than that. Stop with the pitch forks and torches. Let Justice work.
 
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by AB5S on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The slavering lynch mob needs to put away its pitch forks and calm down.
Allegations are not proof, and we're a long way from "proof" here. We have "due process"
for a reason and the Federal Government has proven itself to be corrupt and easily-used
as a weapon many, many times.
If Uncle Sam told me it was a sunny day, I'd buy a rain coat and you have said something similar.
Remember that now. Brian Crow might be many things, but he's not stupid as a rock,
which is what one has to be to QRM from one's home QTH,
especially when one is "high profile" like Brian.
This whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
I've had dealings with the FCC's "direction finding"
and I want to see some real "proof" before I condemn a man. "Do unto others...."
So back up and take a breath, folks.
If he's guilty, it will come out in due course.
Remember- when you join a mindless lynch mod,
you make it easier for you and your buddies to be
the next ones lynched when you disagree with "the man."
We're all better than that. Stop with the pitch forks and torches. Let Justice work.
 
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by AB5S on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
The slavering lynch mob needs to put away its pitch forks and calm down.
Allegations are not proof, and we're a long way from "proof" here. We have "due process"
for a reason and the Federal Government has proven itself to be corrupt and easily-used
as a weapon many, many times.
If Uncle Sam told me it was a sunny day, I'd buy a rain coat and you have said something similar.
Remember that now. Brian Crow might be many things, but he's not stupid as a rock,
which is what one has to be to QRM from one's home QTH,
especially when one is "high profile" like Brian.
This whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
I've had dealings with the FCC's "direction finding"
and I want to see some real "proof" before I condemn a man. "Do unto others...."
So back up and take a breath, folks.
If he's guilty, it will come out in due course.
Remember- when you join a mindless lynch mod,
you make it easier for you and your buddies to be
the next ones lynched when you disagree with "the man."
We're all better than that. Stop with the pitch forks and torches. Let Justice work.
 
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by AB5S on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
SORRY Did not mean to Multi-post this.
Site error message lead me to believe it wasn't posting.
Can't find how to delete the multis. Anyone?
 
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by W6EM on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Really, what **stinks** is the untimeliness of this. If VR and the other guy have been doing the alleged acts, why not a longer period of observation? Including a multitude of written warnings, as was the usual practice until now.

Pardon my French, but this war of sorts on 14.275 and now 14.313 has been going on for what, a good ten years?

There really has to be a reason why Hollingsworth didn't include them in his lengthy activities of monitoring ex-K1MAN. I know for a fact [that] at least one of the accused was on a first name basis, and tons of casual emails were being exchanged. Was this why no action until now? Or, is it because of the ARRL's recent claims of "no visible enforcement" since Hollingsworth left, so Smith's striking out like Gort, at everyone in every direction?
 
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by N6YW on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
In the case of Thomas Ryan Price W7WL, the FCC was prompted into action by a large contingency of very motivated and to a large degree, powerful individuals and groups by filing NUMEROUS complaints. These complaints were (and still are) the result of 3 years worth of merciless & malicious jamming of a magnitude I have never witnessed in my lengthy radio experience.
The FCC had no choice. In this case, the pro-active involvement by the radio community coupled with law enforcement, NAACP & elected officials put enough pressure on the FCC to take action. We also have ARRL legal counsel Chris Imlay W3KD and numerous others to thank for assisting in the investigation which helped bring the case to it's current state. Investigations are ongoing and will result in additional cases being brought forth. This is just the beginning. The branches grow far and wide and we will see it happen.

In order for the FCC to be successful, great care must be given to each detail concerning the FACTS.
I know this because I have been a part of the W7WL case, so I can make educated comments with those facts.
As it relates to K3VR, I can only guess so I have no fact related comments that will help this discussion. I will say this, it is likely that the NAL filed against K3VR was helped by the addition of complaints being filed by fellow amateurs and It was probably a very large amount. It should also be pointed out that the FCC has certain priorities in their work load, and for them to bring the hammer out in this fashion clearly indicates to me that these cases have a high priority. This will be very interesting to see how all of these cases play out and even more interesting will be the next batch of cases being brought forth.
It's only a matter of time.
73 de Billy N6YW
 
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by JOHNZ on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!

Again, I have no opinion in this case, just giving you benefit of my experience as a managerial level broadcast engineer and my dealings with the commission.

@AB5S
You claim experience with FCC direction finding. What type, long range or close in investigative DF? There is a huge difference. Neither you or I have any idea how long the commission used long range HFDF to observe interference coming from K3VR's approximate location. Since long range HFDF will not stand up in court, ultimately, for whatever reason, a close in investigation was conducted. Have you seen the commission's close in investigative vehicles? I have, professional courtesy, engineer-to-engineer. They contain the latest and most sophisticated expensive technology which the taxpayers can afford.

@W6EM
The commission is under no obligation to issue warning(s), prior the issuing a NAL, although in the amateur radio service, they usually issue some sort of informal/formal warnings, prior to issuing a NAL. Like I said in a prior posting, the deck is really stacked in favor of the commission, and that is because of the way Congress wrote The Communications Act. They call the shots, in a way that favors them. The "observation period" you refer to is entirely a matter of the commission's judgement, their call, they have the authority.

Again, like I said in an earlier posting, stay off the commission's radar, and don't poke the big dog in his eye repeatedly and dare him to do something. Be contrite, cooperate, and stay away from trouble spots like 14313. Hang out on 14313 and sooner or later the filth will rub off on you.

Oh, one parting humorous comment. Somebody made a remark about Loop Antennas and DF. Yeah, that was the high tech state of HFDF in the 1940s, almost 75 years ago. I think the commission retired its loop antennas in the 1950s, not sure about that though.
 
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by SSBER on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
that is a lot of cheddar for dead keying.
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by SSBER on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
When I was young, my neighbor snitched me out for being on 11 m. I get this certified letter from Gettysburg stating that I had been dimed out. So I needed to weezle out of this, how? I had 2 weeks to respond. I told them that it was inadvertent, because I was using antiquated, surplus equipment. And that I had taken the equipment offline. I never heard from them again, and no red flags when I got my call.
 
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by AB5S on July 27, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ:
Thanks for writing.
The following is all IMHO, of course,
and worth every penny you pay for it ;-)

"You claim experience with FCC direction finding..."
Yes; I do. My personal experience with them would
only serve to move the discussion off-point, as
I will make clear below.

"Have you seen the commission's close-in investigative vehicles?..."
Yes; I have. I got a nice look at the white Ford Expedition model.
The roof had been removed for
installation of the direction-finding array and what
appeared to be a fiberglass top riveted in place. Very nice job-
one wouldn't notice from any distance. The large LCD display to
the driver's right and the other equipment are most impressive.
But the quality of technology is irrelevant unless one also
factors-in the competence, intentions and agenda
of the users of that equipment.

I am acquainted with the head of the local
FCC field office and some of his people.
He is a good and decent man with a well-earned
excellent reputation who is trying to do his job
while being ham-strung by those above him.
If he told me his people had made this "bust,"
I wouldn't question it for a moment.
But this is *NOT* the case everywhere.
Our local Field Office can only affect this area.
The Washington headquarters and many of the
other Field Offices are, to put it mildly, suspect.

I worked in a Federal Government environment
for a decade and a half (I was nothing special).
Unless one has been living on Mars, he must notice
that in the last couple of decades, Uncle Sam has
earned an increasingly disturbing reputation for
duplicity, deception and corruption, especially
from agency offices in the Northeast and Upper
Midwest. I tell you frankly-
were Uncle Sam and Satan having an argument,
I'd believe Satan; the odds are better.
So please forgive me if I'm unwilling to blindly
accept anything that comes out of a Northeastern
Field Office. I reserve judgement and will wait
for more information before joining a howling
lynch-mob.

I am not a friend of Brian Crow. I have listened
to the freq in question for years and think I have
spoken to him perhaps once or twice. In fact, I've
often thought "he gave as good as he got" on many
occasions. But that's not the issue. I want to see
rules administered with an even hand according to
established procedures and precedent.
*That has not happened in this case.*
An alleged "email from Laura Smith" in 2012
is NOT a "Warning Letter."
Warning Letters have an established form and format.
Whether justified or not, this whole affair
has the stink of vendetta about it and that needs
to be addressed.

A few readers may remember that some years ago
during a similar storm I wrote about the dangers
of involving the Federal Government in our business
(Riley even "sorta" quoted me in a later interview).
I said that the FCC was like a sleeping dragon;
you can walk up and poke it and ask for help and,
if you're lucky, it may indeed help you. It was just
as likely to fry and eat you and everyone standing
near you because the dragon's real desire is not
to help you, but to get you to go away so it can
go back to counting its power, prestige and perks.
The FCC Washington headquarters has a "new sheriff"
who wants to show everyone "how big a sack he swings"
and demands bloody scalps from his minions.
Who can blame them for going after the
"low hanging fruit?" Better to leave the dragon
to re-arraigning his booty and deal with our
own problems.

IMHO,
Brian Crow and his friends made a big mistake:
attempting to work with the FCC to help locate and
deal with the many Unidentified stations.
Whether he is guilty or not, the end result of
putting himself on their "radar" is an $11,500 NAL
and having to listen to the most despicable,
loathsome Orc of a man ever to smear and stain
Ham Radio, take "victory laps" on 14.313.
I hope they're proud of how they've encouraged him.

Again, and in summary-
I want to see rules administered evenly
and according to procedure,
and justice done justly.
This affair, so far, has done neither.

GL ES 73 OM DE Dave AB5S
 
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by KF8HW on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This has nothing to do with the rules or legality of license revocation. It has everything to do with my personal opinion of what should happen, nothing more.
 
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by W6EM on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Hard to say what will happen, even if Brian pays something. It might just be that he would be allowed to renew his license, or be faced with an ALJ hearing on whether or not to allow him to.

However, it's clear that if a Forfeiture Order stands, it must be paid before they will allow a renewal, based on what they call the "red light rule."

 
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by KD7DHB on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Intentional interference of another ham communicating ?


Hardly ! No one is asking the question , What content was he trying to suppress? Well there are some hams who want to talk about raping 14 year old girls or boys,Talking about Laura Smiths body parts, and other content not suitable for amateur radio bands. Yes 14.313 is a bad neighborhood but thank god all the Lunatics stay primarily on one frequency. Imagine if you had to try and locate them on 20 different frequencies ?
I have herd K3VR Brian Crow stand up many times for whats right and moral < maybe his technique wasnt what you would have done > but This is a problem the FCC hasnt addressed in too many years . So was he Actually Jamming a legit conversation ? Or was he Playing noises over the top a ILLEGITIMATE NASTY BROADCAST ?
George washington said once (”Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals.”
But Sometimes the right course demands an act of piracy, piracy itself can be the right course!

Its nice to know that the United States still have Patriots , People that love our country and ham radio hobbie and are willing to get thrown under the bus to achieve a common goal !


I've known Brian for years and he would never deliberately interfere with another ham. Not only that, the FCC's case has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.
 
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@KD7DHB

You say the commission's case is full of holes?

Please be specific, as to what you are basing your opinion on. Please specifically point out the weaknesses of the commission's case against Brian?

 
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by AB5S on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know if the FCC's case is "full of holes"
or not. However- there is decades of precedent
on how this should have been handled.

Whether or not the FCC is required to issue
Warning Letters before an NAL is entirely
beside to point. Their procedure for decades
in even the most egregious cases *when dealing
with Commission licensees* has been to issue
several formal Warning Letters, sometimes followed
by operating restrictions before going to an NAL.
Indeed, KZ8O is a case in point.
(I do not presume to know if KZ8O is guilty or not-
only that his case has been handled in the manner
to which the FCC has adhered for decades).
Many others can be cited. This fact alone
waves a big "impropriety" flag
and needs a serious look.

Secondly- If the Philadelphia Field Office agents
were at Brian's house for THREE HOURS recording,
why did they not go knock on the door then??
That's what they've done in almost every other case
I can name. Why did they "come back later" when
the signal was, by their own admission, off-the-air?
Again- this is a big "impropriety" flag.

Third- The Canadian Orc and a certain 4-Land fellow
have repeatedly said they had an "in" in the
Philadelphia office. I've heard them say it myself
and Karol repeated it just yesterday.
Karol made a point of the Polish decent
of the charging official.
What would be easily dismissed as loony "conspiracy"
talk in the past, given the current regular exposure
of deception and corruption in Federal agencies,
and given the blatant bypassing of decades of
Commission procedure in this case, the charge
carries enough credibility to be investigated.

Like I said- I'm not Brian's friend.
And I risk having the Dragon turn his fire on me
for "calling him out."
But I hate lynch mobs, false accusations and
persecutions under "color of law."
I don't know if that's what has happened here,
but there's enough "smoke" to look for the "fire."
The Commission has procedures they have always
followed for this sort of thing.
On the authority of one Field Office official,
that procedure was completely bypassed.
This does not pass the "smell test."
These questions need to be addressed
in a credible manner.

And- as Edmund Burke said:
"The only thing needed for Evil to triumph
is for good men to look on and do nothing."

73 DE Dave AB5S

 
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by KD7DHB on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Absichtliche
Störung einer anderen Schinken kaum zu kommunizieren! Frage niemand stellt die, welche Inhalte er versucht zu unterdrücken?
Nun gibt es einige Schinken vergewaltigen 14jährige Mädchen oder jungen, Talking über Laura Smiths Körperteile und andere Inhalte, die nicht geeignet für Amateurfunk-Bänder sprechen wollen.
Ja 14.313 ist eine schlechte Nachbarschaft, aber Gott, die alle verrückten in erster Linie auf eine Frequenz zu bleiben. Sich vorstellen, wenn Sie versuchen, und platzieren sie auf 20 verschiedenen Frequenzen musste?
Ich habe Herde K3VR Brian Crow oft für was ist Recht und moral aufstehen < vielleicht seine technik war nicht, was Sie getan hätte >, aber dies ist ein Problem, das die FCC in allzu vielen Jahren behandelt hat nicht.
George Washington hat einmal gesagt ("Gesetze gemacht Einvernehmen müssen nicht werden zertrampelt von Einzelpersonen."
Aber manchmal der richtige Kurs verlangt einen Akt der Piraterie, Piraterie selbst kann den richtigen Kurs!
Die schön zu wissen, dass die Vereinigten Staaten immer noch haben Patrioten, Menschen, die lieben unser Land und Ham-Radio-Hobbie und bereit sind, unter den Bus zum Erreichen eines gemeinsamen Ziels geworfen!
Brian kenne ich seit Jahren und er würde niemals absichtlich einen anderen Schinken beeinträchtigen. Nicht nur, dass die FCC-Fall hat mehr Löcher als ein Block von Schweizer Käse

KD7DHB
 
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by KD7DHB on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Ich denke auch, Verklemmen liegt im Auge des Menschen mit einer Agenda, wenn der Baum der Freiheit muss von Zeit zu Zeit mit dem Blut von Patrioten und Tyrannen aktualisiert, das könnte ein neuer Anfang. Aber ich persönlich denke, dass die Aufmerksamkeit, die die fcc auf dieser Frequenz es brachte weit Wors ist als noch vor einem Monat

KD7DHB
 
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by N6YW on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Quote from KD7DHB translated:
I think also, a blocking lie in the eye of humans with an agenda, if the tree of the freedom must occasionally with the blood of patriots and updates tyrants, that could a new beginning. But I personally think that the attention brought, those fcc on this frequency it to wors is as still one month ago
 
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by JOHNZ on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@AB5S

My usual statement: I have no opinion in this case and do not support either side, and even if I did have an opinion as to who is right, and I don't, I would keep it to myself.

You raise several interesting points. Except for one, it is difficult to comment on them, since you and I don't have additional information, particularly the additional evidence which the commission collected on site, at K3VR's residence and quite probably, from other sources too. I think we can safely label your thoughts as supposition, for now. Maybe time will give more credibility to your thoughts, as the case progresses?

Only one of your thoughts would I argue. Brian's residence is physically located within the jurisdiction of the Philadelphia district office, which is managed by the the Philadelphia District Director. It has been standard procedure, and well established precedent, for the District Director to issue a NAL for cases which are geographically located in his district. Rest assured, before he issued said NAL, he coordinated thoroughly with Laura, the Washington HQ legal staff, and his immediate superiors. Like I said once before, the commission issues EVERY NAL with the assumption that it will ultimately end up in Federal District Court, even though most never do.

Here's an interesting question. In order to effectively fight this NAL, Brian is going to require the services of a seasoned communications attorney, who has been admitted to practice before the commission. I wonder how many of his most vocal supporters are willing to put their money where their mouth is and help their friend out in his time of need?
 
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by N6YW on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
More quotes from KD7DHB translated:

To hardly communicate intentional disturbance another ham! Ask nobody places those, which contents he tries to suppress? Now there are some ham rapes 14jährige to girls or young, Talking over Laura Smiths's parts of the body and other contents of, those suitably for Amateur radio volumes to speak want.
Yes 14,313 is a bad neighbourhood, but God, to remain the all moved primarily on a frequency. , If you try, and place they introduce themselves on 20 different frequencies had?
I have herd K3VR Brian Crow often for which am right and moral was not perhaps to rise < its technology, which would have done you >, but this is not a problem, that the FCC in all too many years treated.
George Washington said once (“laws made agreement to have to become does not trample on from individuals. “The correct course requires an act of piracy, piracy however sometimes can the correct course!
To know those beautifully that the United States still have patriot, humans, who love our country and Ham radio Hobbie and are ready under the bus for reaching a common goal thrown!
I for years and he know Brian intentionally another ham would never impair. Not only that those has FCC case more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.
KD7DHB


 
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by SSBER on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
This thread is getting stupid now
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by W6EM on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
<....Brian is going to require the services of a seasoned communications attorney, who has been admitted to practice before the commission......>

Perhaps RH could step up. Nothing better than a former prosecutor for a defense attorney.
 
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by N6YW on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"Perhaps RH could step up. Nothing better than a former prosecutor for a defense attorney. "

Especially when they were supposedly on a first name basis. Wouldn't that be a peach?
 
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by AB5S on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ
Thank you for your courteous replies on this topic.
What happens from this point will be interesting indeed.
Though I don't see how my speculations and
observations might help before an AJ,
Brian is certainly welcome to quote anything
I've written in these missives.

I'm still working and raising a family
(four daughters...that's where all my hair
and all my money went ;-) so I don't know
what good more I can do for him.
Besides- I don't want to garner any more
of "the Dragon's" attention.
If it was just me-- but I must think of my babies.
There was a time when I would have laughed
at such seemingly silly paranoia.
But in a world of NSA/IRS/Bengahzi/Illegals etc.,
it doesn't seem quite so silly anymore...

GL OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S

p.s. I'd rather have my babies than my hair ;-)

 
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by W6EM on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
"But in a world of NSA/IRS/Bengahzi/Illegals etc.,
it doesn't seem quite so silly anymore..."

As my career was ground up by the DOE weapons complex many years back, all very possible. S happens, and they bury it to avoid culpability.

 
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by AB5S on July 28, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@ W6EM
Lee, your name sure sounds familiar. Would I have heard it on the PA downhole
or maybe at an early-morning weather briefing? Remember George Hoover and Joe Gomez?

73 Dave AB5S
 
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by W6EM on July 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Nope, don't remember them. There's a town, in rural PA, named after distant ancestors. Only thing I know of in PA.

I've posted more than a few comments on various commission filings. Probably from there.
 
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by SSBER on July 29, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
I like it when people quote Fox News. What a bunch of maroons.
 
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by N4DSP on August 1, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
VR,
Pretty quiet in your shack these day's eh?

Was at the local T&A the other day and the trucker's we're buying cb radio's that we're on sale. Go buy yourself one.

Did the bank turn you down for that second mortgage?

 
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by JOHNZ on August 2, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@N4DSP

Your comments do not speak well for you and definitely do not reflect well upon our hobby. Why kick the man, when he has already been knocked down?

No, I am not a friend of his. Moreover, I have no opinion either way about him.



 
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by PITSWL on August 5, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ: It's interesting that you don't have an opinion about the subject of the NAL, but you have an opinion on those who do have an opinion about him.

IMO, it's HIS behavior, and that of his friend who received the other NAL, as well as some of his supporters in this thread, on other AR forums and on air, that don't reflect well on the Amateur Radio hobby, behavior that includes (http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?169940-14-275MHz&p=1299373#post1299373) claiming that the FCC told him that he had their permission to maliciously jam another operator and those who communicated with him, encouraging others to maliciously jam and even telling them, per the FCC, that they wouldn't be punished for doing so.

 
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by JOHNZ on August 5, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@PITSWL

Do you approve of N4DSP's childish remarks?

Have not been on QRZ.COM in years. While Fred was easy to work with, he makes a few poor choices for moderators.

If the QRZ posting you reference was, in fact, a posting made by K3VR, that does not speak well for him. Seems like he admitted to what he was sanctioned for?
 
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by W7ARX on August 5, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Well, whatever comes out of all this, we will see. I just hope if they are serious about 313, then nail some of the other individuals, VE7KFM (thru Canadian process), N4TAT (who sounds like an IQ of like 5), and the list could go on. K3VR and KZ8O received NALs. They will work it however they work it. KFM and TAT on 313 talking, talking and talking about it. All a bunch of BS. Why don't you old men grow up....man, this crap is old....get a different hobby. Geeze....
 
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by WA8MEA on August 5, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Just a few random notations:

14.313 is worse now than ever before! The attention the FCC brought with these cases have only embolden the real trouble makers: The "peanut gallery" and the BC Canadian and his gang.

The "peanut gallery" has grown by three fold; with unidentified commentators, noise makers and tape players.

The BC Canadian and his buddy from Georgia (Tubes and Transistors...) are in their right now, applauding the FCC. This after some of the most vulgar, offensive, vile and threatening speech I have ever heard come from the mouths of amateur radio operators. BOTH would immerse themselves in comments about Laura Smith's genitalia, what variety of ways they would like to sexually assault Ms. Smith, and other assorted obscenities that really need to be sent to Ms. Smith's husband. I bet the husband would do a better job of "cleaning up" 14.313 after hearing how his wife has been sexually threatened and verbally abused.
 
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by PITSWL on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ:

N4DSP isn't the subject of this thread. And your inference that the comments posted by K3VR using his registered QRZ account aren't his is almost on par with his assertion that he's the victim of a "conspiracy" due to government corruption.

@WA8MEA:

The recipients of the 2 recent NALs ARE real troublemakers. They're not the only real troublemakers, but you seem to be blowing off their trouble-making because there happen to be others making trouble. Do a little research. A number of the dancing monkeys of the 270-278/313 gang, who Laura Smith referred to before the entire amateur community as "a bunch of 5-year-olds" who are more immature than kindergarteners, have received warning letters/warning Emails over the past 10-15 years.

Do you know how much trouble you have to make to actually get a warning from the FCC in this day and age?

And not one of them received warnings just because of a single incident any more than the FCC used DF techniques and sent a mobile unit from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh because of a single phone call from some "bubba".

The actions taken against K3VR and KZ8O were the culmination of many years of complaints. And there are other troublemakers beyond that. That there haven't been enough complaints about those troublemakers to warrant FCC action doesn't excuse those operators you seem to want to make excuses for. If those others continue to behave the way they were encouraged to by K3VR in his QRZ postings their files are going to continue to grow and the FCC is going to go after them as well.

And rightly so.

As for that speech you find offensive, did you read Laura's 2009 Email on the topic? Here's what she had to say about specifically KFM's speech: "I don't particularly like what Karol says on the air -- but that does not mean that you (or anyone else) has the right to try to drive him off…. and to tell you the truth, even if I did have jurisdiction over Karol (which I DO NOT) nothing that I have heard thus far rises to the level of an actionable complaint. Indeed, were Karol an American, his speech would fall squarely under the 1st Amendment -- you know that thing many of our forefathers fought and died for (not to mention our troops overseas right now). When you call yourself patriotic, built within that statement is the acceptance of the Constitution and all it entails -- free speech is one of the cornerstones of that fine document. It doesn't mean only the speech YOU agree with; or only the speech that the majority of folks agree with; or even only speech that isn't offensive to most mature, rational adults. It means ALL speech -- the good, the bad, and yes, even the ugly (as Karol is quite often wont to spout)." (http://forums.radioreference.com/amateur-radio-general-discussion/159371-congradulating-laura-smith-related-matters.html#post1288569)

@W9BKR:

You need to take your own advice, grow up, and quit launching ad hominem attacks on amateur operators who aren't even posting in all the threads you've been attempting to redirect here, on QRZ and elsewhere. We get it: you don't like KFM and you think he's responsible for everything that's wrong in the universe and you're going to excuse as bad and worse behavior than his because you don't like him. I'll refer you to Laura's letter I linked to in the previous paragraph.
 
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by N6YW on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@PITSWL
Thank you for your well reasoned opinion.
 
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by PITSWL on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@N6YW:

I'd like to think it's reasonable. I'm sure those who dislike various amateur operators for the silliest of reasons will disagree for no other reason than that they've been so invested psychologically in this nonsensical personality conflict (and yes when a government official, no matter how minor of an official the Special Counsel for Amateur Radio Enforcement actually is, refers to you as a "5-year-old" who is more immature than a kindergartener, your behavior is nonsensical) for so long that they can't fathom that they're in any way a part of the problem.
 
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by JOHNZ on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@PITSWL

This is NOT a defense of K3VR. However, QRZ accounts have been hacked in the past. To think otherwise is not realistic. How do I know? Many years ago mine was hacked. Incidentally, Fred's response was excellent and swift, and he kicked the perp off QRZ. Sadly, he admitted him back on the Zed a few years later.

You really have me curious. You make the -statement- that the commission will sanction others. Exactly how do you know that, for a fact? Or, are you assuming this will occur, based on recent commission sanctions?

You state N4DSP is not the subject of this thread. You are correct. You also made reference to what you perceived as my opinion(s), and yes, I opined that N4DSP's remarks were childish. Thus, it was -you- who inferred that N4DSP was a subject of this thread. I was merely responding to your inference.
 
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by PITSWL on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ:

You say, "QRZ accounts have been hacked in the past". That may be true. If K3VR, then a heavy user of QRZ, had his account "hacked", don't you think he would have made mention of it, possibly in that very thread he continued to post in, or in some other thread? Don't you think he may have brought it up on air during his numerous commentaries on the same subject?

You go on to say, "To think otherwise is not realistic". Yes, anything is possible, but not probable. Do you really expect people to believe that someone "hacked" his account just to offer those oft-repeated comments alleging that the FCC effectively threw out Part 97 where KFM and persons who QSO'd with him were concerned? And K3VR never complained about it, up to and including his recent post there in response to the NAL?

Would you like to sell me any conspiracies involving snake-men while you're at it, Mr. Janos?

It's even more interesting that while offering some paranoid nonsense about a "hacked" account that even the owner of the account never suggested, you have a problem with my common-sense suggestion that if people continually break Part 97 rules that the FCC is going to eventually take them to task for it.

FYI, I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be, a close personal friend of the SCARE and I do not have, nor have I ever claimed to have, "insider" knowledge.

As for my comment about your opinions, the fact that you keep posting sometimes lengthy responses with a particular tone indicates very clearly that you do have an opinion about the situation involving K3VR.

I'm posting in the thread because I do have an opinion about the situation involving K3VR, which is the subject of this thread. If you want to create a thread about N4DSP, about whom you clearly have an opinion (and that seemingly for no other reason than that he has an opinion about the actual subject of this thread in which you continue to post sometimes lengthy responses while claiming over and over again that you have no opinion about the thread's actual subject) and your belief that his comments are "childish", feel free.

I'm not interested in either N4DSP or his allegedly "childish" comments. If N4DSP misbehaves on air to the point that the FCC issues him an NAL and IF I have an opinion with respect to it, I'll be sure to post in any thread you create about it/any article that's posted about it.
 
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by JOHNZ on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@PITSWL

Sigh...sorry, I am not into conspiracy theories.

Moreover, I don't do 75 meter round tables and stopped riding merry-go-rounds when my last child grew up.

I am sure you will find a few playmates in here.

Best of luck in pursuing your agenda, whatever it is.

 
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by PITSWL on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
@JOHNZ:

Conspiracy theorists like to infer that people have agendas other than those things they state in plain language. I've stated in plain language that I'm interested in discussing the topic of the thread. You're inferring I have some other "agenda". But you're not into conspiracy theories. Okay.

Have a good day, friend. I hope Coach lets you leave early.
 
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by N9OGL on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Let me get this straight, Brian Crow's K3VR account was hacked on qrz?? if that the case then why was the comments he made on QRZ the same baloney, he was spewing on 14.313 that the same day (I've got recordings) Is he trying to back peddle like he always does. He makes statements only to back peddle to get out of them

PEOPLE of eHam...a word of the wise, defending Brian Crow, is no go. The crap he told you all these years is a LIE. He is NOT a protected witness, he not special. This NAL PROVES it. He has to obey the rules just like all of us. I'm sure the FCC is aware of the people who support Brian Crow, and I'm sure they are a little list to keep a watch on in regards to the continuous interference problem on 14.313.

Todd N9OGL
 
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by SSBER on August 6, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Time for this thread to die.
 
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by N1FM on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Really N9OGL.. tell us more about your FCC warnings and arrest for stalking/VOP of K3VR. Tell us about the threats to Riley Hollingsworth. How did that work out for ya? Using one of the best ham forums in the world to get back at him? http://www.ve7kfm.com/n9ogl.html

Careful with the revenge attacks, you never know what is out there. You did your time in jail now be a good convict and behave yourself.
 
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by N9OGL on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
N1FM said:

"Really N9OGL.. tell us more about your FCC warnings and arrest for stalking/VOP of K3VR. Tell us about the threats to Riley Hollingsworth. How did that work out for ya? Using one of the best ham forums in the world to get back at him? http://www.ve7kfm.com/n9ogl.html

Careful with the revenge attacks, you never know what is out there. You did your time in jail now be a good convict and behave yourself."

Tom I have really no idea what your talking about, So I got a warning letter...BIG DEAL. In the scale of things warning letters are nothing. NAL's like what Brian and Mike got are a BIG deal. BTW I got One NOI and ONE warning letter...which were baseless. As for my "arrest" I was arrested for threatening the telephone company, after one of their employee's threatened me. When I went to the police, the police told me that they knew I was being threatened and there was "nothing they could do about it". they even went so far to stop me from filing a complaint, which I believe is a violation of my 14th amendment right. NOW unless Brian worked for the telephone company, which he does not, your talking out your backside. As for Riley, I didn't threaten him, I suggested...go back and read it...you can read right?? Speaking of threats the US Supreme Court is suppose to hear the case regarding online threats this fall. I will be watching because if they rule in favor of the guy who was convicted under the law, then I'm going to get my misdemeanor conviction overturned. the Illinois Law is far worse then the one being debated in the US Supreme court. As for time in jail, I NEVER was in jail...sorry...another slander lie from you and your website.

Tom what you, Brian and the rest of your little gang needs to understand, is your little get out jail free card is done. If I made to be so bold, people of sick of this crap that goes on 14.313. This blame game of "oh, it's Karol", is quite frankly getting old. I along with others on here and else where are happy the FCC is cracking down on Brian, Mike, and the rest of you. it is time for this to end....In my view Riley, and now Laura has allowed you to continue this crap, and I'm glad someone in the FCC has stood up and said NO MORE! You and your friends are an embarrassment to the HOBBY, and I welcome this change.
You and your friends can get on the radio and on these forums, making claims that IC is going to do something about Karol, but lets look at reality, you've all been saying that for how many years??? I know has been going on for at 15 years and they (IC) haven't ONCE did anything to Karol. The truth is your making an excuse to violate the law. I mean let look at too, Karol started on 14272, then he moved to 14275 and you and your little gang followed. He then returned to 14.272 and then 14.313 and again, both times you, Brian and rest of the gang followed. I think you all are intentional interfere, because you're mad because IC will not do anything about Karol, and it eats at you.

Todd N9OGL
 
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by N9OGL on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
FYI Brian has 14 more days to pay the fine or challenge it...

Maybe his fellow QRMer's can take up a collection for him.
 
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by N1FM on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
Yes N9OGL, please tell us about your threats to to FCC officials and when you were on probation how you were place on house arrest and lost your probation status for your actions. You further solicited a death threat on K3vr which also had you in hot water. Allow the audience to review Shall we? http://www.ve7kfm.com/td_ms2.jpg You sir are a fruitcake with a criminal history related to ham radio. Stay off of the sites.. Your history precedes you and will always follow you. stop using this site to terrorize Brian and move on. De N1FM
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N1FM on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
N9OGL warning letter number 1..

http://www.ve7kfm.com/Toad_W1.pdf
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N1FM on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
N9OGL warning letter 2

http://www.ve7kfm.com/Toad_W2.pdf
 
RE: FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N1FM on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
N9OGL guilty of Criminal Harassment.

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL011015J&ocl=IL011015J,2010CM51,IL011015JL2010CM51D1

More ham radio crimes by the N9OGL who has the gall to be self righteous on eham.. Go away Todd. You are exposed. De N1FM
 
FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N9OGL on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
No, tom, What you have shown what a BULLY you are. I am not terrorizing anyone, I merely giving my opinion and facts, Which I have the right do so. So let go over what you posted OK, I know you probably have some learning disability, because I responded to your similar comment on another thread.

N1FM STATED:

" Yes N9OGL, please tell us about your threats to to FCC officials and when you were on probation how you were place on house arrest and lost your probation status for your actions."

The issue of regarding an FCC official (Hollingworth) was investigated by the FBI and found to be nothing. I never "threatened" him as you claim, I suggested BIG difference. BTW the US Supreme court is taking up the issue of online threats. I will be watching because I'm hoping to get my misdemeanor overturned.
I lost my probation status because I wrote the FBI after the local police came to my house threatening my family telling to stay off the radio. (staying off the radio wasn't a condition of my probation, I could be on it all I wanted)

"You further solicited a death threat on K3vr which also had you in hot water."

Actually, NO it didn't...who told you that??? I never got in trouble with law enforcement about that...I like how you are spreading your lies on a public forum.

"Allow the audience to review Shall we? http://www.ve7kfm.com/td_ms2.jpg You sir are a fruitcake with a criminal history related to ham radio. Stay off of the sites.. Your history precedes you and will always follow you. stop using this site to terrorize Brian and move on."

No sir, I have no criminal record regarding ham radio. The warning letters were about my Part 15 station NOT ham radio. My misdemeanor was from a threat against the telephone company after their employee threaten me. When I went to the police the police stated they were aware of me being threatened but couldn't do nothing about it. They wouldn't even let me file a complaint, Which I believe is a violation of my 14th amendment right of equal protection under the law. As I stated I'm merely voicing my opinion which I have a right to do so.

Todd N9OGL
 
FCC Issues K3VR $11,500 NAL:  
by N9OGL on August 7, 2014 Mail this to a friend!
But Tom...let's go even farther since you and friends are on here getting people KICKED OFF and BANNED and tell the people on here HOW YOU and you FRIENDS got me FIRED from my JOB, with your website encourage people to call my employer. Because I have LOGS that show that my employer came to my site. They even told me directly to my face that YOUR little site and emails was the one that lead them to my site. Come on enlighten everyone. Tell people how YOU and your friends got Laura Smith to FLAG my license the same day of my trial...SHOW everyone a What BIG man you are...
because all you and your friends are doing on here and on other websites are either shutting these threads down or removing / banning people who like the fact that the FCC is cracking down on the US hams who have and are INTERFERING. You and friends don't like fact that people are no longer with you. Like I said people are sick of this carp on 20 meters. But some hams like YOU like to remain in the past and can't let things go.

Todd N9OGL
 
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