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Do You 'Prep'? Shouldn't You?

Dan Kolton (K0AST) on November 22, 2015
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Okay, I'll be the first to acknowledge I think TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) crowd is a little off their rocker. Sure, mankind has gone through some tough times, and in a nuclear age, even tougher times are always a distinct, if remote possibility.

That said, shouldn't we all be doing at least a little "prepping"?

Several years ago, the power went out at our house for 9 days. It affected a large area, which also meant no power for gas stations, restaurants, and all those other conveniences one takes for granted. Over the years I had always kept a 4000w generator around, as well as 25-35 gals of stabilized gas, much to the delight of my wife who liked to poke fun at me for it. Well the year we lost power for nine days, she took it all back.

Unfortunately I did not have enough gas to last nine days, and had to drive roughly 15 miles to find the nearest working service station. The lines were 1/2 block long; the tempers were a hair short. I waited my turn, refilled all my cans, and headed back home. That year we would run the heat in the house up to 85 degrees at night, shut down the generator, put it away, and wake up to 53 degrees in the morning. BTW, did I mention it was VERY cold out?

So why bring this up now?

We lost power again to a windstorm around noon yesterday. And I was out of gas. So I dutifully went to get gas at the nearest (maybe 8 miles away) working station, as well as ice for the fridge. No need to run the generator set when it is not cold out, but better to be prepared for the long haul. Anyway, tempers were already flaring a mere 6 hours after the power had gone out, and ice was already in short supply.

Last night, on the local VHF net, a few of us were working off battery power, and a few definitely did not check in because they had NO power of any kind. I checked our own 'battery box' to find a significant lack of AA batteries. No 9-volts either.

Are we good hams if we cannot respond to even a minor possibility of an emergency?

I won't even go into prepping of food here. And I certainly will not address weapons, a big political football.

Personally, I live in the Seattle region, an area now known for being one standard deviation past having a 'big one' earthquake. In a recent New Yorker Magazine article, this was addressed, and later followed up upon by the same author in answer to his quoting a FEMA official saying the region would be 'toast' if the big one hit.

In our particular case, given geography and highway/road systems, FEMA believes our region would become a number of 'pockets' of civilization that would encounter difficulty leaving their areas. One need only look back upon Hurricanes Katrina or Sandy to see how woefully unprepared the feds would be in such a situation.

Yesterday, as I drove to get some gas for the generator set, I paid particular attention to how I would 'evacuate' my own QTH if needed. It didn't look all that good if cars were blocking the roads, out of gas, or worse.

So this year, I am becoming a 'prepper'. The gas has been replenished; every family member's car is getting a 24-hour bag of necessities in case they need food, or outdoor gear for survival to get home if 'the big one' comes. And I plan to stock up on enough water and canned goods for at least 3-4 weeks.

What will this all cost me to do it right? Maybe $1.5-2k, but I spend that on vehicle insurance alone every year. Isn't my family worth it otherwise?

I'm joining the 'preppers'.

Shouldn't you?

Links:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/if-you-think-new-yorkers-earthquake-story-is-scary-better-read-this/

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/how-to-stay-safe-when-the-big-one-comes

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by KV4BL on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Great post and real-life anecdote in support of why every person and family should be prepared for unexpected emergencies. Canned goods, if kept in rotation, bottled water, a means to keep your house warm, and other things are good to have. Nowadays, it isn't difficult to find quality freeze-dried food in large cans with 25-30 year shelf lives if you know where to look. I have tried various samplings of Mountain House brand freeze dried offerings and found it to be quite tasty. The benefit of keeping your vehicles gassed up cannot be over-stated. Even if roads are not usable, the ability to utilize heat and warmth, albeit temporarily, in your car or truck can be a wonderful respite from extreme hot or cold. If your vehicle is equipped with VHF/UHF/HF radios, maybe a CB, it can become your portable communications center for contact with the world beyond your neighborhood. Be sure you have cigarette lighter adapter/chargers for the type cell phones in use by every member of your family. Frequently, cell sites out of your immediate area can be reached to make normal contact with family and friends. Remember that texting can really shine in emergencies for general health and welfare assurances to family and friends because it takes a second or less to send a data burst letting a friend or relative know you are alive and well, if a bit inconvenienced.

One thing that rarely gets mentioned in these ham-related forums is having weapons and ammunition, in the event that you and yours need protection from negative elements in society who frequenty look upon major disruptions in travel, power, and communications as "opportunities". If things are really bad, calling 911 and getting a speedy response from police may at best be a fantasy. If phones are not working properly, roads are impassable, or emergency services swamped with calls, you may be on your own for days, maybe weeks, or longer. A bit of truth that I occasionally shared with citizens when I was a cop goes, "when seconds count, police are minutes away". This is not a slur, just an unfortunate fact of life that we see the results of on the news and in the papers, each week. In times of disaster, this factor will be multiplied.

When I was still active-duty LE, I was interested in em-comm type stuff and participated in a few drills when I could get a day off. It was interesting and educational. As always, I was armed because state law said that I could be and I know well the bad things that can and do happen when one isn't prepared for them. As I got closer to retirement, and being subjected to the same nonsensical gun laws and restrictions as everyone else, I began to re-think my role in em-com participation. I decided that I was not going to go to some EOC or like pre-ordained post to play radio, where I was obligated to disarm. I had friends who went to FL in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew and the stories of feral men and hazards related to that in emergency personnel camps and enclaves was a bit unsettling. Yeah, there are armed active-duty cops around, but no one knows if they will be pulled from the EOC for other duty, or even how competent they may or may not be. There might be a reason they are at the EOC, rather than out in the field. I've seen these things happen, before.

In the present, I believe a ham can serve his or her community just as well, maybe better, by remaining in their homes, hopefully with battery, generator, or vehicular, power for their radios. Learn how to do traffic handling. It is something you need to be familiar with before stuff hits the fan. Learn how to format messages to be sent, received, and delivered. Keep a good supply of Radiogram blanks on hand. It just might be that sending and receiving welfare or other messages for neighbors is more valuable a public service than sitting around the EOC, even if you don't get your pic in QST or elsewhere as you hold a mic and twiddle the dial while talking with a (perhaps imaginery) ham at another EOC. If you have family at home or property you don't want looted, this may be an infinitely better course of action, rather than abandoning them to go to the pre-ordained comm center.

73,
Ray. KV4BL
 
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by DL8OV on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Down in the basement is 25L of drinking water and some canned goods that don't fit in our small kitchen but that's about it. Our car is so small that a tank full of Diesel lasts six weeks or so so fuel isn't an issue. As for keeping warm, we have 15cm of insulation on our walls and double glazing and sometimes in Winter we have to open a window to cool down.

Batteries, HT's so that I can communicate? Forgetaboutit. If there is a massive emergency then I leave the professionals to deal with it.

Peter DL8OV
 
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by KQ9J on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The generator thing is important. Not for communications, necessarily, but for basic needs. 8 degrees outside right now; plenty of firewood for the furnace in the basement, but we'd be screwed if the power went out for any extended time as it is a forced-air system. Need to get a generator. One time many years ago the main gas pipeline to our city blew up. The kids and I were toasty warm, with an ancient oil furnace and a full tank of heating oil. Redundancy in systems is a good thing.

That's about as far into the "prepper" thing as I want to go. Some of those people are over the top and watch too much TV LOL
 
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by K9MHZ on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Nothing wrong with provisions at all. KQ9J is right-on....lose power, and life instantly reverts back to the early 1900s. Many credible sources state that having provisions to get you through the immediate aftermath of natural disasters is not just prudent, but necessary.

Bunkers, EMP-proof vehicles etc,....well, that's a whole other thread. I guess those folks will look like geniuses if something catastrophic ever did occur.
 
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by AI2IA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Each family and even a family of one, is different. So, preparing for the unexpected should be different for each family. The main points are being reasonable in what is stored, rotating food, water, batteries,first aid, and even gear and clothing to keep everything fresh and ready. Yes, we do this, and every family should have some preparation.
 
RE: Do You 'Prep'? Shouldn't You?  
by AI4WC on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
K4BVL's comments are right for me. During an emergency, taking care of ourselves is the first order of business, and that includes basic food and water, personal protection (arms and ammunition) and communications monitoring and healthcare. Stay snug and safe and you will do yourself and your community a favor. I personally don't favor a generator because it requires gasoline and because it may draw unwanted attention. I have a photocell array that can charge batteries and I have a stock of batteries and led lights (low power consumption). I favor simple food that may not require cooking - canned beans and such; lots of oatmeal (that can be eaten cooked or raw), and a sand filter for water from the swimming pool along with bleach for achieving breakpoint chlorination (look it up if you have to) and nothing requiring ice (if it requires ice, it can spoil and/or make you sick). I drink a Coke or a beer warm now and then to remind myself that it can be done; I also remind myself that a daily bath or shower may be an unachievable luxury for a while. Having a store of necessary medications like insulin or other necessities like "Depends" should be included in your preparation. Finally, I know I can use a 5-gallon bucket and/or a slit trench as a means of emergency personal hygiene. Then, I just stay snug and safe until....?
 
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by K0VOZ on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting article, what to do?

A generator will bring everyone within a mile to your house if the outage continues for long, good and bad. I live in the mountains and have a small solar standby system and a small generator. As long as the sun shines I wouldn't risk the noise.

Fly below the radar is my motto. My larder is well stocked at all times and my emergency larder is well away from the house.

I maintain a two month supply of emergency foodstuffs. If it goes longer than this we are all in trouble. Everything is finite with use. I would probably do a lot of RX, but little or no TX.

My wife and I are willing and able to defend ourselves through proper training and yearly refresher courses. Is this prepping? I don't think so. This was the norm in most households where I grew up as a child quite a few years ago. Even a small modicum of self reliance seems to have fallen by the wayside. Most people expect someone or some entity to save them nowadays.

I've invested the grand total of $1,000 for all of my prepping, not counting my ham gear. I consider it inexpensive for peace of mind.
 
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by KW4JA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The biggest threat is the economy collapsing. It's not if but how soon. The economy has been a deck of cards since the printing presses have been printing money the past seven years. I won't prep because I am too old. What's more important is to die with my spiritual house in order. That amounts to doing unto others as I would have them do unto me. So you see it's nothing elaborate or impossible and no membership is necessary.
 
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by W7WQ on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Down here where I live it's about a ten mile one way drive to the nearest "grocery" store (sorry IGA) so we try to keep at least 25-30 gallons of gas for the generator, cars topped off always, 20 or 30 gallons of propane for the BBQ. Plenty of wood for the woodstove, probably couple years worth. Foodstuffs for a month or so. It just makes sense when you live in the middle of nowhere. Be prepared.
 
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by W0ELH on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
This is a great post and very timely. I would add two things. One, get a copy of the FEMA book titled Are You Ready. It's free and has some very good info. Secondly, beg, borrow or otherwise get a copy of Ted Koppel's new book Lights Out. This deals with the taking down of the electrical power grid on a national scale by cyberwar. This will scare the willys out of you. Remember, we can't help anyone if we haven't helped ourselves first.
73, W0ELH
 
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by W8RBT on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
When the derecho storm hit Virginia in June 2012, we lost power for 7 days. I was totally unprepared for that.

Our water comes from a well. The well pump had no power. Could not wash hands, take showers or flush toilets. Sanitation quickly became the biggest issue. Fortunately, we could go into town and do those things. We were lucky that the region's power did not completely go out everywhere.

We've had ice storms too in past years that caused extended outages. In fact, those are probably the most likely event to cause major outages. Lots of trees hanging over power lines.

After the derecho, we had a transfer switch connected into our main power box and I bought a 6500 watt generator to power the well pump a few lights and the fridge. I only need to run it a few hours a day to keep food cold and take showers, etc.

I also purchased a few large 80 Ah batteries for radio comms, a power inverter for the truck to charge devices and a few other things.

I don't see this as prepping. It's just common sense. However, the idea of preparing for widespread civil unrest due to power outage seems insane. Individuals can't effectively do that and obsessing over how to is not a good use of your time.

For example, guys who are concerned about running a generate because the noise will bring a group of armed bad guys to the house. Think about that. It's crazy. An individual can't possibly prepare for or defend against that. A community of like-minded individuals may be able to, but not lone individuals or families.

So my advice is to be reasonable. Have food, water, comms, sanitation, meds and some basic personal defense, but don't get caught-up in over-the-top scenarios that you can't possibly prepare for.
 
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by KB1GMX on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I see being a prepper and being prepared as somewhat different. The preppers I know seem to be a bit extreme and prepare with rifles and all. That said being prepared is whole other thing.

Planning and knowledge.

I do work at being prepared. Back in '97 we had the April fools storm that dropped a late season lump of snow and took out trees and power for days area wide. I got by using alcohol stove I made on the spot for a hot cup of joe, fried eggs and fired up the fireplace that in this house is effective heating. Keeping stuff cool was easy, the great outdoors was cold! Hot water for bathing was a problem being oil fired and no electric. We got though in reasonable comfort. Odd items that were handy, a few quarts of 91% isopropanal, it burns well enough for a heater or small camp stove. Handy for cleaning PC boards too. For AM/FM dry cells and a portable TV I used a small 5W panel I had just gotten and a small tractor battery (about 30ah U1 size) picked up at the local big box. That was my intro to solar power.

Fast forward to Sandy, by now a genset with some heft
and a hookup that could run what was needed with margin.
Yes, hot showers. Backup Coleman propane stove and a gas grill to save genset gas. Solar power and battery for the radios and entertainment.

None of this was prepping but was preparing, ok maybe
the genset. The solar with battery was more to play with the tech and see how effective it is and could I run a 100W station for days. With 400w of panels and a monster 150AH NiCd plus smaller 33AH AGM charged off a smaller 50W panel the answer is yes. Between generator, backup inverters that can be powered by car, tractor (has a battery and charging system) and Solar system power is solved.

Sandy showed that if I run the genset for a few hours in the AM for hot water and again in the evening for just a few hours I could keep very comfortable without needing a huge supply of gas. Sandy was followed by a early October winter storm of equal ferocity. Rinse later and repeat. Anything missed those two times were improved.
People forget one the fridge shuts or (same for freezer
or heating) running the genset is eating gas for maybe lights. That's inefficient and may use something that is scarce, gas. For lights LED or florescent lamps on battery are good enough.

What is missed is the other supplies. Wood for heating if you can. Food, a week or more for canned goods, dried food like mac&cheese, dried meat, water, biscuit and pancake mixes, dry cereals, powdered/canned milk for cooking and the like. Then the freezer a chest type that needs not less than three days to get to 30f or warmer really helps as I only need to run the genset for short periods to maintain things. Oddly a good cooler or two that can be placed outside in cold weather to keep the intems inside secure from pests and wildlife. Also places to keep them both usable and accessible. Its no use if your basement floods easily and everything you need is under dirty water. Many items are perishable. Both foods and fuel. I have two 5 gallon safety cans (metal) that are always one full and the other in use for all the usual power tools. Keep the minimum of fresh gas in the 7 gallon range on average enough for two days of intermittent genset with margin. If I need more I have a 12gallon boat tank for the back of the truck and I'm not above pumping it out of the car or truck. I keep them full too.

Brief story, Neighbor out of gas during Sandy and
local gas stations shut down (or out of gas) for
lack of power. He came over to ask for a gallon and I said no. I did grab my hand pump and ask if he had
gas in the car (was near full) walked over and and pumped out 2 gallons and he was set. It had not occurred to him he could do that. Nor had it
occurred to him to drain the take on his weed
wacker, lawn mower or the leaf blower.

Last item, Drugs, those items required for health.
This could insulin or cardiac drugs or many others.
If the lights are out the drugstore may just be closed too or worse if there is bad weather no shipments
to restock. Funny how some can't remember how to reorder over the phone or worse the other end
hasn't the means any more to take that order....

All of this is planning ahead. Most of the areas I've lived in get severe winter weather sometimes enough to take out power for days and sometimes weeks. Then we have hurricane season and the occasional nor'easter or nasty ice storms that have put the whole region in the dark. In the end I plan for those as they are both likely and have happened before. Oddly cash is useful, those stations that were pumping often could not use their credit/debt card systems for lack of connectivity or power for that.

Its interesting to not if the 'net is down many things
just don't happen as they are so automated and no people there or with the required knowledge to back them up.

TEOWAWKI, not so much. Its the difference between planning and being prepared and paranoia. Its about having reasonable supplies and also practical knowledge of how to use them in a safe and effective way without using youtube to find out how.

Oh, there was one upside. During the outages the noise on the low bands was quite low.

Allison
 
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by N5RTG on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I like W8RBT's expressions of useful and futile prepping. We aren't going to expend much energy or thought on things we can't achieve. The security issue isn't actually too much different from right now otherwise -- LE can arrive in minutes, even when seconds count.

But we do want means to get water from our deep well (can't bring it up by hand,) have some food laid in, keep the fridge and freezer cooling, and recharge our electronics. We can heat water and the house on the wood-fired heater, but the other things will require some aux energy.

Our RV has 250 watts solar on top. Only useful if getting sun, not any guarantee of that. But the generator always works, as long as we have gas. My 1KW generator will charge my batteries and can run the fridge or freezer.

I was surprised 25 gal of gas didn't last nine days, but I'm only used to running a gas-sipping 1KW generator. Storage of stabilized gasoline and preserved food are the two biggest actions I can take to be prepared. I want to augment my first aid kit some more too.

These, to me, are practical and reasonable measures to take care of my family. Energy, food, and first aid are the three areas I can improve on still.

Jim
 
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by AK4YH on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Here is another link, http://radiopreppers.com

Gil.
 
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by KW4JA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
There are few morals practiced any longer in the west. No morals in everyday life so what morals would exist in an emergency situation. It will be like the Walking Dead but without Rick and the good guys. Everyone will be like the Governor and the bad guys. When you lose your morals there is no longer hope. Today people only care about pleasure, money, and what feels good all the time. That is evil existence. When an emergency situation occurs do you suddenly become virtuous when survival becomes much more difficult? It won't happen.
 
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by KW4JA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
What I'm trying to say is acting nice to women to get sex doesn't cut it and acting nice to get approval doesn't cut it. If you lose yourself in ham radio and other hobbies it means you are guilty because otherwise you wouldn't have to lose yourself in what you do. Being innocent means being able to sit still in a room without anxiety without turning on a tv or music to feel better. If you feel anxiety doing nothing you are guilty for things you have done or how you are living your life. So when an emergency comes and you face possible death you will not make the cut.
 
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by AA4PB on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
One thing about generators is that you have to maintain them and exercise them on a regular basis if you expect them to start during an emergency. My problem is that I have a deep well and a pumped sewage system so without a fairly large generator this house is pretty much unlivable. The one time we did have a major outage (4 days), I got on the 2M repeater and found out what areas had power and got someone to reserve a motel room for the family and dog.

I've thought about a whole house generator that could handle everything but fuel storage is the issue. It's hard to store even enough propane to run one of those 24/7 for more than a week. If the roads are out then you aren't going to be able to get any deliveries.
 
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by KW4JA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
So prepping is just about trying to save your life in an emergency. How you life your life determines if you keep your life on the other side when you perish. You have to pass the spiritual tests in life before you perish. Have anxiety, depression, guilt? Those are very important and must be resolved before you perish. Those were important when I was younger but don't seem important to young people today and most people and longer. So prepping is much more complex than you think.
 
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by KW4JA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Most people will go to hell when they die so think about more than generators, guns, water, and stuff like that than think about your souls which most people don't think they have. If you do you may be surprised.
 
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by W6GZ on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Gas stations should be required to have an emergency generator that can power the pumps at the station. This rather inexpensive rule would greatly reduce the general misery associated with prolonged black-outs. Not only is the grid vulnerable to storms, we now have cyber-attacks to worry about. There is also recently increased awareness of the the grid's vulnerability to large solar flares. I'm considering one of those Tesla power wall batteries and just enough solar panels to keep a minimal power supply backup over an extended period.
 
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by WA7SGS on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Prepare for the disaster you expect to encounter.

One of the interesting discoveries I made was from getting a multiband Grundig/Eton S350DL. This radio has not one but two sets of batteries capable of powering the radio. They are D-cell and AA's. You move the switch in the battery compartment to select the set you wish to use. I like backups to backups! This model is out of production but easily found on eBay for less than $100.

For monitoring civilian comm and non-digital commercial/government action, the Uniden BC-125AT gets my thumbs up. It has 500 channels divided into 10 banks. You can cover CB, VHF AM air, 2m simplex (who says repeaters are going to be available?), VHF Marine, GMRS/FRS/MURS and 440Mhz. The 300Mhz airband is also part of this handheld scanner's frequency range.

It's okay to listen and see what's shaking after the shaking is done!

Rick




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by AA4PB on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
One issue is that we should probably keep a pretty large amount of cash on hand. If banks don't have power & data networks then your ATM and credit cards can't be used. I'll bet most banks today don't have any manual way to let you withdraw cash from your account if the data network is down.
 
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by KB2FCV on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I wouldn't say we are "preppers" but I do believe in being prepared. In the past several years we have had 3 weather events that each knocked power out for 7+ days. We saw gas stations that could not pump or receive gas, long gas lines, grocery stores with bare shelves and no power.

Since we have a sump pump, we have had a generator since day one. It has kept out basement dry. Our generator can also run our forced hot air, some lights and our fridge.. Enough to get by. We also have a generator that sips gas.. 5 gallons will get me 40+ hours of run time. We even bought a second generator as a redundant backup to the first. Both are ran and tested monthly as well as maintained. Extra fuel and oil change supplies are kept.

We bought a month or so of that packaged food from wise food storage that has a shelf life of 25 years. We also have enough water to last 3-4 weeks. Working on some basic kits for the cars. We also have other items as recommended by various lists and keep it all at the ready in one designated spot.

I figure if stuff is still bad after a couple of weeks, it's probably time to relocate for a bit.

As far as radio goes.. I have plenty around where I can be home or portable both hf and vhf and all is regularly used both inside and outside the shack. Radio is first and foremost a hobby. It's there if it needs to get me out of a jam or to talk to the local club members to see how they are making out.

I agree with the OP that some of the 'preppers' are a little over the top, especially when they state the scenarios they are planning for.

 
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by KK4AXX on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
While is is bloody sad that no people on our planet can truly trust any government any more, (if ever), I live on the Gulf Coast and darn sure don't trust Mother Nature! Prepping is a way of life for us. Yes, that does include a bit of the "security" side of things. More important, though, is being prepared with water(250 gallons min.), shelter, food, and communication.

I maintain my normal "shack", but also keep a second unit in a Farady cage/ storage bin just-in-case,(a complete Heathkit 104A plus two HTs). A bank of three marine deep cycle batteries, solar trickle charger, and a good sized gas generator supply the power. Yep, we keep 35 gallons of non-ethanol gas that is rotated constantly. I also keep a couple of proven wire antennas as back-up that allow ops on 20, 40, and 2m/70cm.

Our experience shows that, try as we might, something will go wrong. All we can do is try to assure it is something small.
 
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by K7VGW on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Of all the topics covered in Emergency Preparedness articles, handbooks, recommendations, gov't websites, etc., the one subject overlooked (in most instances) is that of human waste. I think it's a "taboo" subject in the US.

Here's a useful link: http://www.humanurehandbook.com/downloads/Humanure_Handbook_all.pdf

This is a free download, and provides a vital understanding of how to deal with household sanitation in a safe and easy manner.

"No problem!" you say? Try running your household for two or three days with the water shut off to the toilets. Better yet, imagine the local sewage treatment facilities out of action for two or three days ... or longer.

In brief: the orange 5-gallon plastic bucket is your friend. Add a garbage bag liner. Have a supply of peat moss or sawdust or crumbled woodstove pellets or even lawn clippings or shredded leaf rakings. Organic matter is the key. Put a shallow layer in the bottom of the bucket, and add a thin covering over each 'dump.' Equivalent capacity in commercial composting 'Airhead' toilets for recreational boats has proven to last two people for up to a month.

When the garbage bag liner is full, lift it out, tie it off, and dispose of it. The best method is to compost it in a safe corner of the back yard. Another method is to add it to the tons of disposable diapers that get tossed in the garbage.

DO NOT pee in the bucket. That's way too much liquid for the mix. Use a separate container, and pour it out where it can be absorbed into the topsoil (or pee in the shower pan). Urine is pathogenic, essentially germ free, so is relatively safe. It just smells nasty.

Oh ... when you get the orange bucket, pick up a toilet seat for it. A cheap plastic one will do. Glue a couple of wood cleats underneath so it won't slide around on the bucket top.

 
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by N4SRN on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I guess, that if the USGov't says we should have 3 days food, water, supplies on hand, in case of disaster, everyone should have 3 weeks on hand. I'm aiming for 3 months.
 
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by KG4NEL on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I have a generator, water, and enough battery power to provide lights and radios for a few days. Where I am in central NC, we may get a few days without power due to an ice storm - but that's typically it. I won't be "activating", but I do like to hear what's going on.

My major "upgrade" for preparedness this year will be a 4-wheel drive vehicle, which is far, far more useful in inclement weather than any radio could be.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, you should "prepare". No, you shouldn't "prep". Preppers are paranoid wingnuts. The only reason you need guns and ammo is due to other wingnuts with guns and ammo.
 
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by HFHAM2 on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Dipsticks
 
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by AD5TD on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I have thought about a generator, we have a 500 gallon propane tank (400gal is considered full). I wanted one of those 10KW gen sets that automatically comes on if the power goes out (we live in the stix, it happens) but I started adding up the power needed to run the house in the summer and it came up to just about 10KW. That 400 gallons of propane would last about 9 DAYS! And it cost over a $1000 to fill that tank! Not to mention that I need propane to cook with and heat the house also. So I am getting a 5-6KW and just plugging in what is needed. Fridge, water well, septic pump, and one window unit. Winter is no big deal in South Texas a small propane heater works well. I have food and water and can even pull water from an old well by hand if need be. And guns, lots and lots of guns and ammo. :-)
 
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by AA4MB on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
First, thanks to K0AST for posing this pertinent topic. Like religion and politics, you will find that folks quite obviously have opinions on this subject that range from somewhat naive all the way to ultra paranoid.

I'd say that depending upon where you live and what your surroundings are, preparing to subsist without supplement from the outside world for a period of two weeks to thirty days makes loads of sense. Unless you happen to be of the same opinion as one of my friends; he says that in instances of TEOTWAWKI, he simply doesn't want to survive in a society like that and he plans to basically wither away and die. (I kid you not) I'm made of sterner stuff and realize that in cases of dire apocalyptic circumstance, help will arrive - sooner or later. It's all a matter of when, how and ... how much. (keep reading for the 'when' part) Please avoid passing judgement upon others if you live in a 'safe' suburb or road with one way in/one way out deep in the country. Those living in urban or suburban settings may know a little better what they face than you do. Just my $0.02 and your mileage may vary.

I like the idea of self-reliance and common sense. Constructing an alcohol stove? Awesome idea. Having solar power as a backup and exercising it regularly is pretty smart also. My mom always insisted on never letting the gas gauge touch 1/2 full in the family car; she began to get it in the forefront of her mind when it dipped below 3/4 of a tank. At 93, she's still driving and still has that frame of mind to this day. That's probably due to a couple of factors, including living through the Great Depression and having that seminal event make one hell of an impact on her psyche at an early age. People should also keep around more than just basic hand tools, in my opinion - because self-reliance doesn't begin with water/heat/power and end with having ample food to keep from starving.

One respondent stated, "Most people expect someone or some entity to save them nowadays." More true words have never been spoken. Don't get me wrong - 'caving in' or letting the 'chips fall' where they may is certainly an option and a possible response. I find it somewhat laughable that some folks with good intent and (apparently) high intelligence seem to believe that a breakdown in society is impossible or, in the case of a natural disaster it simply won't be that bad out in the big bad world. Depending upon where you live, you may be quite correct. I remember living in the outskirts of a fairly major southern city during the aftermath of an ice storm. A good friend of mine was 'prepared' - and stuck his ginny under the carport, vented it with a low current draw fan blowing the exhaust fumes away from the house and congratulated himself upon his foresight. After four days, he went back to fuel the generator when the power dropped out ... only to find an absence of a generator. Guess what? He was plenty angry - and also, even more prepared. His backup generator went in the backyard and cables were re-routed. Another day went by and, voila - another missing generator. And this was after ONLY 4/5 days without power. Some of us had no juice in the outlets for 10 days to two weeks. (Consider that as food for thought for those unwilling to believe that keeping a low profile is wise - and that a generator won't bring you attention in a crisis situation) Oh, and no FEMA truck ever drove by distributing food, water, or even well-wishes for that matter. I noticed that seven days proved to be the breaking point for many and they were on camera with the mobile news crews for 'help' from the government. And I understand that - it's arguably what we've become conditioned to as a society.

Me? I'm a member of law enforcement. Though I am more 'prepared' than most, nobody would consider me a 'prepper' by any stretch of the imagination. As a police officer, I can assure you that, yes, when seconds count, we are just minutes away - EXCEPT in cases of general emergency or natural disaster. 'Help' may not come for hours or even a few days, depending upon the nature of your emergency. I know of what I speak on this subject. Have folks 'on the property'? Be prepared to have us respond only a few miles per hour over the speed limit, unless you can convince us that your property is running red with blood and/or someone is attempting to kick your door in with the specific intent of doing you harm. Sorry ... but that's a result of more than a few of us having accidents and having the pants sued off of the city, county or state when something happens on the way and we inadvertently hurt someone else. I'm all for you not having a weapon if you just don't like them or aren't confident in your proficiency. But don't assume that gangs of marauding thugs will be the prime danger which requires personal self-defense; I believe that in a true 'crisis' situation, that will be exception rather than the rule. And in most cases if there's any type of real resistance, the bad guy (or girl) will shove off and move on to easier pickings. [A quick search on the net will bring up several instances of the Supreme Court ruling that with a couple of notable exceptions, law enforcement has neither the constitutional duty nor general obligation to 'protect' the citizenry - from anything. Reading the majority opinion on those will cool down even the most pleasant 'warm fuzzy' feelings that government has your back.]

Finally, ham radio will not be a luxury or a needless source of preparation for me. It is, however, one way to keep connected with the rest of the world, even in the event of a week long power failure due to simple natural disaster. That will likely take the form of receiving way more than transmitting. But it's my entertainment, my pastime and my hobby. If I can make some reasonable provisions for being able to continue that during times of temporary difficulties, more power to ME. My wife has crochet and needlepoint. My hobby costs more money, but it passes the time and hours.
 
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by KW4JA on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Obama is insane. Most of you voted for him. What does that say about your beliefs, plans, hopes, aspirations, and everything else? It means most of you are also insane. It takes one to vote for one. You think you'll be saved in the end despite what you are?
 
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by N8CMQ on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Life in the country is subject to intermittent outages of AC power. Heat, light and water are here, but electric power makes it easier, so I have a generator.

Food and fuel are available less than an hour away, and if it is a SHTF problem, well, I have my reserves.

As far as radio and other luxuries go, if I need them, they are available, especially because I am a relay for the wireless internet in the area...
 
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by K0AST on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I just picked up a 275 gallon water container. You can find these used on CraigsList for $100-140 or so. Be sure you get one that only held safe organic materials, so after a good cleaning it can hold water as well. The one I just bought was used for 180 proof alcohol. I guess we could say it is pretty sterile to begin with, but a good bleach cleaning will do it one better.

At 2 gals water per person per day, for 4pp, that one container will hold a months worth of water. You can see one in the link below.

http://www.arizonabarrels.com/images/275_gallon_tote_large1.jpg
 
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by K7VGW on November 22, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Seriously, (all wingnuts and political crazies aside) anyone living on the US West Coast needs to read and heed the historical evidence of the Cascadia earthquake zone. FEMA authorities suggest that a 9.0 "megaquake" is certain to occur. The only question is when it will happen. When it does, everything between the Pacific Ocean and the Cascade Mountain range will be "toast". That is the judgment of regional FEMA authorities. Areas inland of the mountains will be affected by up to a million and a half refugees.

Consider the San Andreas fault earthquakes to be a Lady Finger firecracker; consider the coming Cascadia megaquake to be a Cherry Bomb. Look it up: Cascadia earthquake zone.

The coastal area will be like a plate glass window hit by a rock, its infrastructure shattered into pieces, creating zones of survivor groups all separated and isolated from each other because roads and bridges will be impassable and ports and airports destroyed. No one expects that water, sewage, electricity, telephone, cell towers, or internet service will escape damage. No railway, highway, or pipeline will be left intact.In many cases, some infrastructure will be as long as a year, and up to three years, out of service. For weeks or months only helicopters will be able to move between the disaster zones.

Thousands of landslides will be triggered, and within 15 minutes of the quake, a tsunami will impact low-lying coastal areas. Aftershock earthquakes will cause further significant damage.

Here on our Pacific NW island home, accessible by two ferries and a 75-year-old steel bridge, we figure a three-month stash of life-support supplies is prudent. Considering the severe impact on neighboring urban centers, we islanders will likely be 'written off' for a time. Self-sufficiency will be key to survival.

Our VHF nets will serve for island-wide coverage and coordination; HF links will let the mainland know we're still here and alive.

This is serious business. Hare-brained political or revolutionary insanity is not helpful.
 
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by KG7FIU on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
In times of emergency, some hams will join together to work more effectively:

[Link] http://news.pia.gov.ph/article/view/1281447657724/southern-leyte-ham-radio-operators-agree-to-work-as-one-group-in-times-of-disasters

But what happens if other "more prepped" hams decide they know better, and want to live their own way?
 
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by AI4WC on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
This is my FINAL comment. The best thought for HOWEVER you prepare is: Had you rather have it and not need it, or need it and not have it? So, each of you prepare accordingly.
 
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by KU2US on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
EXCELLENT article! I am a Prepper! One suggestion is that for heat, I went out and bought a propane heater and placed it in the dining room. A 100 gallon tank is outside my house. I very rarely use it, but if all fails I have heat. I keep it filled at all times. If electricity fails or natural gas is disrupted, you have an alternate source of warmth. Granted, it will not heat your whole house, but it will suffice and you will not freeze in cold weather. For cooking I have six 20 gallon propane tanks and a coleman double burner camp stove. For lighting, several lanterns that burn lamp oil and tons of candles and enough freeze dried food for my family for one year. Go to Walmart. In the prepared food section they have 8 feet of space dedicated to these packaged freeze dried food meals. All you need is boiling water and they are only ninety nine cents each! They will last for 10-15 years! Just some suggestions.
 
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by ONAIR on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Have more than enough solar power with battery backup to keep the fridge, lights and radios going almost indefinitely. Lots of wood for the fireplaces, and a couple of months worth of food and water for the household. A Prius plug in will keep me mobile if gasoline is unavailable.
 
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by W1JKA on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Practical everyday REAL life prepping-Bushcraftusa.com..
 
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by W8LV on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The "Just in Time" concept of inventory method (invented in the USA prewar, and largely adopted by the Japanese car manufacturers today) seems to have caught on in the retail food market: When you pull something off of the shelf at Walmart and it is "swiped" at the register, their computer "tells" the dish on top of the store to order ONE more of those items to replace it from the warehouse. And the truck comes. No doubt, you as a consumer are also "voting" for what goes on that shelf, which is precious Real Estate for the retailer. And, NO DOUBT, the RIDICULOUS practice of TAXING UNSOLD INVENTORY as they do in the USA is a BIG part of this decision. This MUST stop.

All fine and good, so long as the trucks run to fill the orders, and yet more trucks fill the warehouses, and so on. Add a mere weather disruption, or a fuel disruption, or the satellite/system fails, or a strike even at the Ocean docks or train yards, or Civil unrest, OR WORSE, and there is going to be a problem! And, I fear, thus system could easily break down, if just ONE small damned thing goes wrong: Tires not available for the trucks? No way to deliver... TIRES, for example. So, our precious distribution system now patterns our electrical grid, and for that matter, Weather systems, where one damned small thing gets out of kilter, and puts MORE pressure on the existing system, and the whole damned thing goes down. And then we all stare at ourselves in disbelief. And in case of Unrest, how are you going to DEFEND the Grid Interconnects in North America, being rural, sparse, when one well placed shotgun load can blast insulators and wires, and that's it! The SADLY fact is that it's PLENTY vulnerable enough to WEATHER, let alone INVENTORY to disrupt it... We must face the facts that this infrastructure was NEVER designed with this in mind, because until recently, the very concept was unthinkable. But being the BEST designers of Infrastructure on Planet Earth that we are, we must come up with a more ROBUST design.

I don't think building a Bunker is a rational answer here. A change in the Tax Code might be. And as someone once pointed out to me, Your Bunker is easily compromised by someone on the surface merely blocking your AIR IN TAKE with a plastic garbage bag. Your fancy firepower Peashooter is NOT going to protect you in that case!

For MOST of us, keeping a FEW weeks of food and water is reasonable. I would say anything more than say eight to twelve weeks should suffice just about anything. But not a Great Pyramid Bunker with twenty years worth of provisions? Now that's a bit unreasonable for most of us.

Gas Generators are noisy, poison fume belching affairs. Anytime I have used one, I find old gummed up gas either in the gas can, or worse yet, in the generator itself. And, in a case of CIVIL UNREST, that noisy generator is going to tell EVERY Never-Do-Well well out there, that you have a WORKING Generator for them to take, that you are home, and you are likely to have OT HER provisions for them to take. You can pretty be sure you are going to have company show up, especially when you SHUT IT DOWN, and go to sleep! Wind Generators are noisy, mechanical affairs. Solar has NO MOVING PARKS and is QUIET, fold up and VERY portable. A QRP rig, a separate Shortwave/AM/FM/Weather radio, and a rechargeable battery or two along with some Alkalines should suffice just about anything. For example, the CCRANE Skywave receiver will run 60-70 Hours on two AA Batteries, and no doubt, lots longer with intermittent use... A dozen AA batteries have a shelf life these days of YEARS. Some rechargeables and a small roll up solar panel? Many years, and just on the panel in daylight? Forever! QRP also shines here, being an EFFICIENT means of covering a large distance with minimum power consumption, and they don't get cranky on battery power, because they are mostly designed to do just that in the first place. Wires also don't tend to get blown down like Yagis do, and won't advertise your location to the Never-Do-Wells.... Just my thoughts after going through power outages in Ohio, to getting my family through Hurricane Charlie in Florida....STILL a most memorable event to me.... as I observed many LOCALS ignoring WARNINGS to take cover, and not even buying AA batteries, basic food, and some water when the Hurricane was TRACKED, CONFIRMED, and it's arrival was IMMINENT!
 
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by N7WR on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
We live in a rural area where perhaps the most realistic threat comes from major winter storms which could disrupt electricity service for a prolonged period of time. That is the only public utility we have as our water comes from a deep well on our property. In addition to loss of electricity we could be unable to get to town (10 miles) if the roads are impassable due to snow and ice....not likely but it could happen.

We have two generators and we keep 80 gallons of stabilized fuel on hand at all times. Plus we never let either of our motor vehicles ever drop below 3/4 of a tank of fuel. We have an ATV with a snow plow blade that is also kept topped off with gas. Either of the two generators (one is primary, the other is a backup---both tested and run monthly year round--)-can provide power to selected circuits in the house AND, most important, can (through a commercially installed change over switch) power the well pump so we are assured of water.

We have a wood stove for heat and enough wood cut and stacked to burn 24/7 for several months. More available on the property if needed

It is just my wife and I at home now and given the food we have stored we could survive for at least 180 days...probably more. We keep enough feed on hand for the dogs and chickens to last 3 months. There is a 7 month supply of hay for the horse.

We keep a 60 day supply of any required medication and plenty of OTC medicines as well as a well stocked trauma kit from my days as an EMT.

We keep a survival kit in each vehicle that can sustain us (food, water, medicines, blankets, warm clothing etc etc) for at least 72 hours. Of course each vehicle has both VHF/UHF and HF radios.
 
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by SHORTWIRE on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Why do eHam publish such an obvious KOOK-attractor as an article?

You used to be a notch above QRZ, but maybe not anymore?
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
It's a small notch, and QRZ set the bar pretty low.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA> Obama is insane. Most of you voted for him. What does that say about your beliefs, plans, hopes, aspirations, and everything else? It means most of you are also insane. It takes one to vote for one.

What psychological tests can you cite to support your assertion that Obama and 66 million Americans are insane? Alternatively you can just say you're a Ben Carson or Donald Trump supporter and we'll understand and no explanation is necessary.
 
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by KT0DD on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Full Prep going to happen here soon. Food, water, power, radios, firearms etc. ESPECIALLY if the dems get another 4 years. They keep printing money with nothing to back it up since we went off the gold standard. The U.S. world credit rating has already fallen from AAA to AA under their watch. We are going to eventually collapse under our own debt, it's inevitable.

I for one do not want to be one of the ostriches with my head in the sand like those calling preppers "kooks". They will be the ones begging us for help when the sky falls. I want to at least have a fighting chance for awhile.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>Full Prep going to happen here soon. Food, water, power, radios, firearms etc. ESPECIALLY if the dems get another 4 years. They keep printing money with nothing to back it up since we went off the gold standard. The U.S. world credit rating has already fallen from AAA to AA under their watch. We are going to eventually collapse under our own debt, it's inevitable.

LOL. The tea party holding the debt ceiling increase hostage had more to do with the credit rating change than anything. The gold standard is right wing folklore based on Biblical mythology that just helps sell those gold coins preppers like to buy thinking they're going to have negotiable currency when the big one hits, when in reality they're overpriced Christmas tree ornaments. How quickly we forget most of the debt has been created by trickle down economics and two unfunded wars.
 
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by W7ASA on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
A very good example of the need for basic preps was last weeks' extreme wind storm that initially knocked-out electrical power to almost a million people across Washington State, Idaho and Montana, producing blocked roads and MANY fallen trees. Friends of mine who had basic preps (as most long-term citizens up there do) did quite well and were able to help friends, family and neighbours.

There were also incidents of others with the terminal welfare mentality. Their "Plan A" was to immediately demand that the government (i/e the taxpayers) give them what they want, because they did not plan to have a little extra for emergencies. Of course, the only ones who heard them were within shouting range, because they were living in a cold, dark place and had no preps at all. This ONE storm caused week without power in winter for some.

The difference between a 'disruption' and a 'disaster' is simple planning. It can be a family 'adventure' around the wood stove, with LED lights and pizza, a helping hand for neighbours and extended family, or life threatening: you choose.

Several of my friends up there are hams and were able to check on each other, coordinate their responses locally on VHF/UHF without needlessly getting on the roads, burning fuel and being exposed to road hazards. Other friends, like me who live well outside of their area were able to touch base with them via HF radio: Nice to have options. I've been though this after hurricanes when I lived in the coastal South.

Here is one article on some of the observations by State Representative Matt Shea about this latest storm's impact in Washington State.

http://www.radiofreeredoubt.com/2015/11/21/personal-emergency-preparedness-by-state-rep-matt-shea/


If taking care of you and your family is not important to you - why should it be important to the rest of us?



73 and thanks for the good discussion.


Ray
W7ASA ..._ ._
 
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by JOHNZ on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey

You should really try getting your news from somewhere other than MSNBC and lunatic left wing blogs.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I don't watch MSNBC at all. Never have, never will. I also don't watch NBC, ABC, or CBS. Or Fox "News".
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Before you say it, I also don't read Huffington Post. Perhaps you (and others here) should get out of the conservative echo chamber media. They're lying to you. All you have to do is Google everything and realize it's all BS designed to outrage you.
 
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by K6AER on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I live in the country of Colorado where winter get bad at times.

We have three generators which two are over 15kw.
2000 gallons of propane.
600 gallons of diesel.
Cattle.
Feed.
Well water.
Enough ammo to stop ISIS.
Three months of food in the pantry.
My wife is a great shot with the AR-15.
Cash for what we need.
Meds for a year.

I sleep well at night.
 
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by K5DHL on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I'm originally from the Seattle area (actually Bellevue), but now reside in Oklahoma (twister country). In 19 years we have had our share of ice storms & twisters. Almost every time the power goes out for lengthy durations, yet the natural gas still flows. Almost everyone in the outlying areas has extra food, a generator + lots of gasoline, and plenty of other prep items. Oklahomans are very much tuned into emergency needs and conditions, and everyone helps their neighbours. Prepping is not a wacko endeavour, it is a life saving necessity.
 
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by AD5TD on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@STRAIGHTKEY: if the gold standard is a farce, ask you self this question: If a $20 gold piece could buy you a really nice suit in 1850, why will it STILL buy you a great suit today? Because gold is the ONLY thing that holds it value, no matter what the government does.
 
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by AK4YH on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Hello,

Most of what I hear here is about preparing for a relatively short period. We've been very lucky in this country, as no real national disaster has happened since the Civil War. I mean, large scale and long lasting. The Great Depression maybe could count as such, but not really, as our infrastructure did not rely so much on electrical power back then and the population wasn't as large. Now imagine a national disaster lasting months, even years... It's far from impossible. How good would a generator be then? Generators run out of gas, and gas goes bad.

A better solution, as far as radio is concerned, and I won't even touch on other aspects of prepping, would be solar panels and low current draw radios. Most transceivers draw from 1.5 to 2A on receive, that's way too much to operate for any length of time on battery. Charging a battery without grid power or a running generator is not trivial.

My radios draw from 15mAH to 60mAH on receive. Yes, I mean multi-band portable transceivers, Weber MTR, MTR-5b and Elecraft K1. Those of course are CW only. I can fit the MTRs in my shirt pocket and power them with eight AA rechargeable batteries for a couple weeks, operating an hour a days with a few few QSOs a day. Try that with an big 100W rig.. For those who don't want to learn Morse code, shame on you, there is the MFJ-94XX series, at about 250mAH, still pretty good. An FT-817nd I think is listed at 450mAH but reportedly draws a somewhat less. That would be the upper acceptable limit.

With a long lasting disaster, you might have to move out, whether you like it or not... Would you rather carry a car battery on foot or eight AA cells? Right... I use a 7W (GoalZero Nomad 7) solar panel, which can charge those eight batteries in eight hours. Much easier to carry or recharge than a heavy gel cell. I don't have an SSB radio right now (well, except a marine Icom IC-M700), but I plan on getting an MFJ-9420. Maybe I'll own a 100W base tranceiver in the future, but I would never count on being able to use it for any disaster lasting more than three days.

So my best advise is, when thinking about getting a prepper radio, look at current draw first, and if it is more than half an amp on receive, look for something else. Learn Morse code, buy a cheap CW rig and use the left over money to get a good solar panel and controller, not to mention the other stuff you'll need.

Gil.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 23, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The gold standard is a construct from ancient times that no modern nation follows today. Gold's only intrinsic value is it's a stable element that doesn't tarnish. In a disaster situation, unless there's someone who values it as much as you it's as useless as a 20 dollar bill or a piece of blank paper, unless perhaps you're trying to make a filling for a tooth or really good conductor for some electronic device. It's fiat currency, most people just don't know it. Lead has more value for a prepper than gold. But keep buying up those coins they advertise on AM radio!
 
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by JOHNZ on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey

Perhaps that is the problem? You have not made an effort to keep yourself correctly informed? Sort of like the so called "independent" voters?



 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I'm better informed than most. JOHNZ, how long have you been a tool of the conservative-engineered media?
 
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by W3QE on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Prep for your life and lose your soul.

I worked at a major airline and it too had a hand full of nut jobs who worried about the end coming in horrific scenarios. I was approached about buying as a group discount, Gas Masks. I immediately replied that if it got that bad, I would Breathe Deep. That was 20 years ago and today I still feel the exact same way.

IMO---People who prep have zero faith or common sense and believe everyone not a prep is nuts:)
 
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by W7WQ on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA needs to crawl in his "hidey hole" and stay there.
 
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by WA5VGO on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Amateur radio seems to have more than its fair share of irrational paranoids.
 
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by KV4BL on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
What I find interesting and a bit amusing, is the level of hate on here (and other places) for those who take the time to prepare for disasters, outages, or other inconveniences. If you don't think it important, by all means do not make preparations. Sit at home, play video games, immerse yourself in idiotic "reality" shows, sports, and other distractions, all the while paying no attention to the decay going on in the world around you. No skin off of my butt and those of us who prepare should cause none off of yours, so why the hate?

The funny thing, when (not if) the stuff hits the fan, whether local, regional, or national, in scope, I bet every single one of you will be like the panhandlers in the cities, going from door to door to beg for something to eat or with which to feed your families, because you thought preparing was silly and a game for fools.
Ditto,when nasties in groups kick in your door and decide to have their way with your wife, your son, your daughter, or maybe you. "Honey, we agreed it was paranoid and stupid to have a gun or ammo in the house so let these nice men do what they want snd maybe they'll let us live. Yes, I know that one thinks I have a cute butt." This stuff happens now, with working phones, navigable highways, and working electricity. Do you think it won't increase when those things are absent?

Perhaps your neighbors, co-workers, and friends, that you took such delight in ridiculing for preparing will have long memories, yet be short on sympathy at such time.
 
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by JOHNZ on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey

You are not only assuming, but you are also making an incorrect assumption. Did I touch a nerve?

 
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by N8FVJ on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
My backup tube type HF transceiver is EMP proof. Does that count?
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ, surely you can come up with something better in the short amount of time mom lets you use the computer.
 
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by KD7YVV on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I'm reminded of the Twilight Zone episode, "The Shelter".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shelter_(The_Twilight_Zone)

I find it interesting that people would post here, detailing what they have.
Solar panels, generators, batteries, food, gas, etc. etc.
You may as well have printed off a shopping list for
those who think they're entitled to your stuff.
One person even posted that someone had not one, but
two generators stolen.
Why not make it easy? Print out a detailed list
of everything you have, and leave a spare key to
your house under the welcome mat while you're at it.
Hell, make it even easier, just leave your door open.

Make no mistake, civility is an illusion.
Take away the comfort of home, and you will see man
for what he really is.

Do you really want to be prepared?
The best and foremost thing you can do is:

Keep your mouth shut.

The way the world is today, people will kill you
for a dime. I don't want to think about what it
will be like when the sunflowers hit the fan.

People were looting Wal-Mart after Katrina hit, and
there were cops there.

Granted, being prepared should be a way of life,
but do you really expect the kids and young adults
of today to really learn that lesson?
They're too busy with their heads buried in their
smartphones, xboxes and video games.

Schools don't even teach kids how to balance a
checkbook.
Do you really think they'll take the time to prepare
for a storm, much less a disaster?
I'm sure the prevailing attitude will be, "I'm entitled to it, so I'm taking it."

When the sunflowers hit the fan, they'll cry and
expect everything to be handed to them.

I wasn't born during the Great Depression, or
during the Dust Bowl, but I remember stories my
grandparents told me.

Want to know who will really be prepared?
Those who were taught by their parents to be self
reliant.

When the sunflowers hit the fan, I'll be ready with my....oh....wait....I'm not supposed to tell. ;)


 
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by JOHNZ on November 24, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@Straightkey

Seriously, that's funny...and she is also letting me work the weekend contest too.

 
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by G3RZP on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
One answer to the gas problem for generators, other than solar - which in winter, if you are in the North, can be available for as little as 8 hours and weak at that - is a really old technology i.e. steam.

During WW2, behind the lines radio operators with the partisans in Yugoslavia had bicycle powered generators to charge the batteries, but this was hard work for a long time to get a 30 AH battery charged. Others had small steam driven generators, using a steam engine design - still available - meant for model engineers and steam boat buffs. All you need is wood and water, and it's very quiet, which was one reason the clandestine radio ops had them. A 1/10th horsepower steam engine can drive a generator to produce around 60 watts, and that is a small engine....
 
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by KW4JA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Obama is ISIS. He just pretends to be outraged at them. It's not real outrage. They are his boys. Can't you see that? The chances are Obama will not leave office in 2017 is why everyone is in great danger. Serves you right if you voted for him.
 
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by KW4JA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Obama is bff of Louis Farakhan and Jeremy Wright who have always called for destruction of the United States. Has the penny dropped yet?
 
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by W1JKA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Money concerns in prepping: For the short term emergency/disaster for a few weeks your cash on hand, silver, gold, jewelry supply may get you the needed necessities UNTILL the retail store and Supply chain dries up from runs on same. For long term needs your survival will depend on manual skill sets so invest any extra money/valuable metals in learning/upgrading a needed survival skill and manual tools/equipment for same that can be traded for other necessities. For example.

Seeds and agriculture
Treadle sewing machine/thread
Hand operated carpentry/mechanical tools/forging
Baking bread
Reloading equipment for ammo/save lead lashing/wheel weights

and for coms a basic CB set with a small solar panel and a couple deep cycle auto/boar batteries.

Basically a colonial times skill trade economy since during such times no one is going to be concerned with having cash on hand to pay the tax man.


 
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by G3RZP on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Add to that list animal husbandry - sheep especially, since with shearing, wool washing, spinning and weaving, you can make and sell clothing, and even eat them!
 
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by W1JKA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Re: GZ3RP ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly,for the majority of folks I know and the contents of various media sources and responses to same concerning proper prepping is about 90% BS and 10% COMMON sense.
 
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by KB2HSH on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA said: "Obama is ISIS. He just pretends to be outraged at them. It's not real outrage. They are his boys. Can't you see that? The chances are Obama will not leave office in 2017 is why everyone is in great danger. Serves you right if you voted for him."

Are you a paranoid psychotic? Tea bagger? This drivel is about as nonsensical as the birth certificate debacle, et al.

Better put another layer of tinfoil on your head, fella! The commercial airliners spraying us with chemicals are flying over soon!


smh
 
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by KE4ZHN on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
All this doom and gloom crap is depressing. If SHTF I will do what it takes to survive as long as I can. Being a paranoid fool about it is just silly. End of story.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA, you need to get to your family doctor and have your meds checked. The current level isn't working. I hope you can make a full recovery, because 80 meters needs you.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
JOHNZ, it sounds like she's a good woman. Treat her right. :-)
 
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by KW4JA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Some of you can't even deal with speech you don't agree with. How can you weather a crisis?
 
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by KW4JA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
On top of that you can't get me out of your heads. How about a little experiment? Try to stop thinking about me. You'll realize you can't.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA, getting you out of my head is like going to the bathroom. The demons in your head are there to stay. Better get in your prepper bunker and have them pour cement over it so Obama can't get you. He's coming for you, man!
 
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by KB2HSH on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
HAHAHAHAHAHA....that was hysterical!
 
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by JOHNZ on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Obama has clearly demonstrated he needs all the help he can get.

Pray for him. The Bible commands us to - I Tim 2:1-2



 
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by W8LV on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Did somebody forget to hit the Plate Voltage on eham.net?
I thought we were talking about Prepping and Radio here...
 
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by N7WR on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
For all who badmouth being prepared consider that some of us are not doing it because of TEOTWAWKI but because of the real potential for a disaster which, with proper preparation, could be survivable. Emergency managers for decades, long before the current fringe focus on world collapse yadda yadda, urged 72 hour survivability. Based on real world experiences with hurricanes, major earthquakes, etc 72 hours may not be enough. Those of us who live where mother nature can be brutal are wise to plan for longer term self sufficiency. Using the "all hazards-all risks" approach means that one is prepared for any manageable and survivable event. Some events are not survivable and that's just the way it is.

Frankly I would rather be prepared and since we rotate perishables in our cache we actually use (and replace) things that we would purchase even if we were not "prepping".

As for the ham radio side my experience is that if you are busy just trying to survive you are not going to need or want to use the radio unless absolutely necessary. In my case it will most likely be to touch base with family members (all hams) who live within 10 miles of each other. The ability to do that does not require solar arrays or super antenna systems.

As for an EMP event I'm not sure the science on that is settled. Yes it could be catastrophic in which case I'm not too sure I'd care (or be around to care) about my radios. If it was a targeted EMP I am of the opinion that being in a very rural area a long way from any real populated target city might not result in a problem I'd have to deal with. However, by chance more than design I do have a shielded non solid state HF capability though, again, I doubt whether I'd use it.

Finally, again based upon real world experience, those who "prep" do have to be concerned about those who do not. The do nots have, in some places, violently attacked the does in order to obtain what they have not had the foresight or resources to obtain ahead of the event. Smith and Wesson (or Glock, or whatever you choose) is another tool in the toolbox that one who prepares ought to consider. We do.
 
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by K4RUM on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Completely unhinged.
 
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by KW4JA on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Most people don't come here to learn or share information but to joust but not very well.
 
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by KD8MJR on November 25, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I have been through a few disasters abroad and from my experience the smaller ones bring out the worst in people and the big ones bring out the best.

Prepping for events that are likely, eg. hurricanes on the east coast is a good thing, having a small radio like an Icom 7000 a G5RV and a spare 2m antenna mobile antenna along with a few HT's is good idea. A very quiet small generator that does not guzzle gas like the smaller Honda Eu series is very practice. Keeping good relations with your neighbors from day one and being able to share resources with them is a must. Groups of people always have it easier than people who try to go it alone.

 
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by KW4JA on November 26, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
It really doesn't matter if Obama means to harm the United States, whether he has psychological problems, or if he is totally incompetent the outcome will be the same especially if he doesn't leave office. Then the country will face a constitutional crisis on top of everything else we are going through. Was this the hope and change you wanted?
 
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by KB1TCD on November 26, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Why are we getting political here?
Especially when politics are dead!
I'm a prepper; we live out in the country, in Maine, so we have no choice.
Losing power for 4 days is not out of the ordinary.
Last Sunday, in the middle of the Maine Emergency Management Net on 80m we lost power. The radio kept on going but I haven't hooked up solar powered lights upstairs; we do have them downstairs.
This is a 12v system using 12v LED lightbulbs, 2 100 watt Solar Panels and 2 6volt golf cart batteries. Total cost is under US$800.
Also have similar system running router/wifi phone, internet radio.
For water we have a stainless steel hand pump in the cellar that pressurises the house. No, you can't use it to take a shower but you have running water for everything else.
We heat with wood, so no problem there.
We do have generators but rarely need to use them.
I have an entire portable station in the trunk of my car and operate portable when the weather is good at my lunch break at work from 12:10pm to 12:40pm on 17m, 18.125 or thereabouts. Station runs on solar.

I am the ARES EC for Lincoln County Maine and in case of an emergency I need to be good to go and not worry about my family being ok and so on.

So, be prepared folks!

7 3 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD

 
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by KW4JA on November 26, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Politics is everything. You think in a crisis there will be no politics? You are asking the wrong question. You have become afraid of saying what you believe by the current ruling party. You need to look at that first.
 
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by W5GNB on November 26, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Got me a Six Pack, Hustler Magazine, a few cans of sardeens and a CB Radio..... I'm Good to GO !!!!!
 
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by KB1TCD on November 26, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
ruling party? lol
We have a one party system in the what's left of the USA, it doesn't matter who is "in".
Take care of family and friends, that is all that matters!

KB1TCD

 
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by K7EXJ on November 27, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Two years ago I began installing solar panels on our 36-foot diesel pusher motor home. It's 1993 vintage but still in excellent condition. Right now we have 640-watts and I am considering adding two more 250-watt panels to the rooftop real estate.

With 640-watts of solar power and a pure-sine-inverter we can live comfortably for weeks (with careful disposal if liquid human waste... otherwise known as "make a sagebrush happy).

I did not do this for any "prep" reason. I did it because we like to camp at out-of-the-way RV parks or in places where camping is permitted but no hookups are offered. BLM, USFS, Bureau of Reclamation, National Parks, County and City RV parks, and the like. There are lots of RVers doing this.

Just because we like to get out into the wild places doesn't mean we want to live in a tent. (Well, actually, we DO like to live in a tent, but that's beside the point.) When we're in the motor home we like to live more-or-less normally.

We live in a desert, and we're not in an earthquake zone, and any tsunami that threatens Seattle will have a long slog up the Columbia River to get us. The only time the electricity goes out here is when some drunk drives into a power pole; about once a year.

But that RV means we're prepared. I can run ham radio from it; check into emergency service nets, pass traffic via PSK31, etc.

I have about $1500 into this solar system. For another $500 I can have almost 1.2kw (my solar charge controller can handle more than that, actually).

So I guess we're preppers. But it's not all sitting in a "go-box" in the basement. We use it regularly.

It's fun.

73s de K7EXJ
Craig
 
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by KB1GMX on November 27, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Some good comments made.

One what you have should not be announced. If you assuming a certain criminal element likely but I doubt they read Eham. A good point.

Practical, most areas gets floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, forest fires, Nor'easters, Icestorms, and
snow up to the eyeballs. The latter for some areas where snow is uncommon even a few inches can be a serious hazard. The other things that happen like wrecks causing chemical spills tend to be very localized but can displace many for days possibly weeks. I'd point out the most common disaster is a building fire. Having supplies in safe (remote) place is helpful. In all cases having enough basic supplies to sit out the dark for a few hours, days, or week is just good sense and minimal planning.

The other is getting out into the neighborhood you live in and will likely shelter in. If its that potentially hostile maybe someplace else is advised. Most however live in areas where people are likely to get together and help each other out. Communities coming together like that are likely more immune to the hordes.

The over the top and long haul cases....

I see things like prepping for EMP as over the top as there are bigger problems that come with that. But its easy to handle as any closed shielded metallic container will usually keep even the most fragile electronics safe. The bigger thing is being able to
gather, cannibalize and repair or built from abandoned gear. Even exposed gear will have usable material in it. I'd expect there will no shortage of abandoned or
broken gear. Doesn't take much to build a regen and a
few watt transmitter. Being able to get a old rototiller or farm tractor using woodgas going is likely more useful.

The extreme end as some see it. This is one of those things that reaches past what nominal being prepared for will cover. One has to be self sufficient and prepared to hunt small game for meat and potentially grow crops. Right now I see that as stuff of fear. This means some densely populated areas are going to be under great stress. Plan for that? Better to be far away beforehand as relocating during a panic also
calls for prior planning. In any case long term gas,
oil, medicine may be effectively gone. Plan without.
Even solar power, panels are visible and batteries
have finite life.

Some notes. Guns, maybe good for defense or food.
Or the sound of one announcing you have stuff.
Its like gensets, noise that can attract the wrong types. If you need rabbit for stew a a good
air rifle is as good and far quieter and a tin of
5000 pellets will not get you the hairy eyeball. If you haven't hunted before a hint you cannot read it in a book, learn by doing. Better would be traps and snares.

Farming, doesn't take a lot of space unless you don't have insecticide and commercial fertilizer. The first year is easy. Sustainable is hard. Varmints and insects are two problems to deal with. Keeping the soil going is full time work (composting and all).
It also requires a supply of water, as drought happens,
crops die, you starve.

Consider the Pilgrims new to the land and short of skills and the Plains states settlers and what they had to deal with (weather, drought,fire, bandits) as they are just chapters in parts of our history and survival.

Just some thoughts.

 
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by N4WSH on November 27, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The short answer is,"yes". I moved away from a big city to the boonies of TN. Gearing up now to be self sufficient. Food, protection, ham gear, etc. Look around folks, it isn't getting better in our world, it's not if, but when.
 
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by KW4JA on November 27, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
There are things you can do to change the future. You can protest against refugees, gun control, and anything else you choose. Make signs and go down to the federal building in your town. You can find out the picket rules at the police station. The silent majority should stop it. If your friends don't agree you don't need them. Stop going to the movies and watching tv. Picket the tv stations in your town. They are all lefties except in rare situations. When it starts others will follow. If you had been half as vocal as they have been the past 30 years we wouldn't be in this situation. When you watch the media and hear the garbage they feed you you think they are crazy but you are the only one who sees it. It's not true. You are the Majority.
 
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by KB2HSH on November 27, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA, you are a delusional mouth breather. Do you actually believe the manure that spews from the hole under your nose?!

You seriously need to take your meds...
 
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by KA4NMA on November 28, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
"There are things you can do to change the future. You can protest against refugees, gun control, and anything else you choose. Make signs and go down to the federal building in your town. You can find out the picket rules at the police station. The silent majority should stop it. If your friends don't agree you don't need them. Stop going to the movies and watching tv. Picket the tv stations in your town. They are all lefties except in rare situations. When it starts others will follow. If you had been half as vocal as they have been the past 30 years we wouldn't be in this situation. When you watch the media and hear the garbage they feed you you think they are crazy but you are the only one who sees it. It's not true. You are the Majority. "

Whether you agree or disagree with , KW4JA, he just described the political process that involves active participation by all. Protests over tea lead to the Revolutionary War. Protests over slavery caused slaves to be freed. Only 1 vote stopped the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. So, get out, be involved in your community, let your voice be heard, even if a minority (i.e. not popular or political correct), and vote during this important time in American history.

Randy Ka4nma
 
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by KW4JA on November 28, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KB2HSH,

I'm not your wife and kids. Go jump into a lake.
 
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by KW4JA on November 28, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KB2HSH

I must say you are pretty good at describing president Obama. Keep practicing.
 
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by KW4JA on November 28, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The US doesn't have an honest media any longer. Your well being isn't on their agenda. Their agenda is to make you agree with everything politically correct. When Bush was president all you saw were negative stories about Bush and his government agencies. Notice since Obama took over you never see ANYTHING about the government positive or negative. This means the government is operating totally in secrecy. So what happened to the News? It's been reduced to unexplained murders and a few car accidents. The rest is weather, animal, and celebrity news. It's all designed to make you feel everything is fine.

They figure you are fooled since they know many of are on drugs legal or illegal, into sports, music, promiscuity, and all other forms of selfishness and escape. They are right about that. So far you are too selfish to prevent your country from being taken away from you. But it's not too late to wake up. Just realize you've been fooled. Be outspoken and let yourself be counted. Don't listen to your friends and relatives who tell you're crazy (you know the ones). Tell them they are crazy and draw a line. Leave them behind. There is no help for THEM because they can't wake up and will perish making wrong choices until the end.
 
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by KW4JA on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Think of the Leftists as the Pod people. The media has been taken over by people who have been programmed to all think the same. They are communist but most of them don't realize they are. Then look at all the candidates of both parties. You can easily see which candidates are asleep and which are awake just by the way they are covered by the so called news media which is not objective at all. The choice of the pod people is female. The problem to the communists is she is not likeable and not a good communicator so she is falling behind in the polls. If this continues expect her to become sick or incapacitated and the election to be stolen through a Crisis which all the awake people are waiting for. All the preppers are right!
 
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by JOHNZ on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The European model of secular socialism is the ultimate goal of leftists for America.

It is no accident that Christians are being increasingly marginalized and demonized.
 
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by AC5WO on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Everyone should "prep" as part of daily life, but mostly by keeping a reasonable reserve of things you will use anyway absent a disaster. For example, a well maintained car with the gas tank refilled at half a tank provides transportation as well as shelter, heat, and electrical power. Keeping cash in your wallet provides some flexibility when a business can't accept credit cards. Having food in the house gives you some flexibility in bad weather.

I believe that accumulating knowledge to repair stuff and improvise is more important than accumulating stuff to survive a disaster. Do normal maintenance yourself and you'll be able to fix things when you have to. Ham radio give the perfect excuse to acquire knowledge and skills to restore communications after a disaster.

Another overlooked "prep" skill is building social connections with other DIY types long before disaster strikes. Help other hams and neighbors with various projects, learning to work together in the process. Life is much easier when you have help from people you can count on.
 
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by AA8GK on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The other half of the equation is not what the 'prepper' has, but the physical condition in which he / she is. Most of the so-called preppers I have seen can't walk from the house to the car without risking a stroke.
 
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by KB2HSH on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA...

At least I HAVE those things, you delusional twat. What makes you and your ilk believe that Obama WON'T leave office in 2017? Did Rush tell you to think that? Do the voices in your obviously PARANOID mind tell you to say that?

You're a moron, and the more paranoid PSYCHO-BABBLE that comes from your drug-addled mouth, the more it is painfully obvious that it's TRUE.

So yeah...I'll jump in the lake, along with everyone else that thinks you're a fucking retard.
 
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by AC7CW on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
People that have farms and have been growing food for a generation or two are going to do fine. I know some, they will band together and they will dispatch you into the next world if you come after their stuff. It's been shown that isolated farmers get killed off, only communities that can provide mutual defense make it for a long time after the SHTF. I moved to a rural place, was thinking about growing veggies but honestly, I hate it! I've never grown veggies and probably won't start until it's too late.

I was told that in the short term the Feds have your back. If an area has no food for a few days big planes will start dropping it.
 
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by W8LV on November 29, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I hate to agree with you, but I must:

My observation is that the younger generation does not know how to grow and store food, and in many cases, they don't even know how to prepare it. They more than oft only know how to microwave food, and fry a few things at best. And this is NOT their fault.

Growing, food preperation and storing food are skills which take some time to aquire, and it is very important that these skills be passed along... Consider giving a Young Person a Ball "Blue Book" for Christmas. Teach them if you can. Everything is lost without these important skills, and they need to come first, before radio communications.

Please don't "scold" them for their lack of knowledge... the necessity of both parents working is now, sadly, into the Third Generation (or longer) now. Help them to help themselves, and adopt a different mindset. BOTH Genders MUST learn these skills...they are Fundamental!

A bit more time should be spent by the schools to teach Home Economics, again to BOTH the Boys AND the Girls. And American Government.

The Mormon Church has a lot of publications/information on the storing of food, since that is something that as I understand it, all of their members do... I leave it to you to Google those storage publications.

The storage of food is not merely important for a snow emergency, or a more serious Civil Emergency or weather related event... it also helps smooth over the Family Emergencies, such as being between jobs, or illness.

All The Best and 73's!

DE W8LV Bill
 
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by KC2QYM on November 30, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
All the guys that talk about their fuel supplies, generators, radios, etc. are laughable. A sustained and regional or national failure will render all your goodies obsolete over a relatively short time. I'm not saying you shouldn't have those items, only after a month or so of a sustained 'interuption' you will have to determine how you are going to survive. Not all of you will. Only the rough and ready, the hardiest and physically fit can survive. How many of you can forage and hunt...and if you kill a deer do you know how to dress it? And how to make a fire in the absence of lighter fluid, matches, etc. No my friends...there's alot of hot air being bantered here.
 
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by KD8DQK on November 30, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I don't "prep" in the sense that I have a bunker buried in the back yard, but I feel that it is prudent to prepare for an emergency where there is a loss of power or when basic necessities could be hard to get.

I think each person's method of preparing for emergency situations should be to the extent that gives them peace of mind. Some people go to what some of us would see as extreme lengths, while others do less. I think it all depends on what makes you feel better.

I think my one piece of advice would be to not tell everyone what you do to prepare. Your next-door neighbor may be friendly today, but that may change if everyone is in survival mode during a SHTF situation.
 
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by KW4JA on November 30, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
ISIS and their blood brothers the leftists have already lost. If you don't hate them you won't go where they're going. I didn't say like them but don't hate them. Then you can defeat them without guilt. They'll go where they belong and you'll be protected from harm. In the mean time clean yourselves up with with the time we have left. Be worthy and protect your families with courage.
 
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by K8QV on December 1, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
If the majority of survivors will be paranoid nutjob preppers, I'd rather not be around anyway.
 
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by KV4BL on December 2, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
If the stuff should happen to hit the fan, no doubt, the majority of "paranoid nutjob, preppers", hope that you will remember and adhere to this idea, rather than bugging them and begging for food, water, or medical needs, for yourself or your family.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 2, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
What's the point of "prepping" if all that's left is a hell on earth with KW4JA types running around? I'll take a stiff drink, a cigar, and pass on to the next dimension while you all hoard ammo and gold coins. Good luck.
 
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by K8QV on December 3, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
<<< by KV4BL on December 2, 2015
If the stuff should happen to hit the fan, no doubt, the majority of "paranoid nutjob, preppers", hope that you will remember and adhere to this idea, rather than bugging them and begging for food, water, or medical needs, for yourself or your family. >>>

Thank you for the perfect illustration.
 
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by K4RUM on December 3, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA certainly has an "interesting" QRZ.com page!

"First of all I do not qsl because mailing silly cards is too boring and uninteresting for me. If you like it's your problem since I will never buy or send a qsl card in a million years. My favorite part of ham radio is making up and using dx callsigns. It's fun receiving calls from US hams who think I am in a foreign country and also starting pileups. The key is to do it at low power so nobody knows the difference. My favorites are by3cv and vu4sq so if anyone has worked these callsigns surprise surprise. Hey I'm just kidding. Still the government doesn't own the ionosphere, the ioffosphere, or anything else about nature or science. So there!"

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by KW4JA on December 3, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
K4RUM,

If you need others to agree with you - you are weak.
 
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by K4RUM on December 3, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Boy that hurts. That really hurts.
 
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by KW4JA on December 3, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Truth always hurts but it feels good later if you love truth. What you get from many people are fake kindness (obligatory), or hate. That's all many have to offer. Truthfulness separates the wheat from the chaff and life becomes simpler.
 
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by KB2HSH on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
K4RUM wrote:

.....KW4JA certainly has an "interesting" QRZ.com page!

"First of all I do not qsl because mailing silly cards is too boring and uninteresting for me. If you like it's your problem since I will never buy or send a qsl card in a million years. My favorite part of ham radio is making up and using dx callsigns. It's fun receiving calls from US hams who think I am in a foreign country and also starting pileups. The key is to do it at low power so nobody knows the difference. My favorites are by3cv and vu4sq so if anyone has worked these callsigns surprise surprise. Hey I'm just kidding. Still the government doesn't own the ionosphere, the ioffosphere, or anything else about nature or science. So there!.....


KW4JA doesn't QSL because no one on Channel 19 wants one of his cards.

I stand behind my ORIGINAL assessment of KW4JA...now having the QRZ insight into his mindset...he;s no different than any of the loud-mouthed bullies I've come across in 27+ years of being a ham (as opposed to HIS 1.5 years)...people like him have nothing interesting to talk about, nothing new being learned, no friends or experiences to speak of, ad infinitum. Their lives are meaningless, so they get their kicks THAT way. My father was like that. I can recognize the symptoms clearly.

I pity him, and those that know him.
 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
You're projecting. You see in me what is in you - anger. You're too sensitive because of it. Btw the post was fun to write.














 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
You decided you would not be like your father so you compensate by being nice. But then everyone treats you like your father did.
 
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by KB2HSH on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
You don't have a clue. Now be a good burden upon society and take your meds. I hear they deliver them to your trailer park now.
 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
K4RUM,

I softened the post yesterday. Thanks.

KW4JA
 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The Koran calls for muslins to kill infedels. This suggests that the safe muslims are those who have fallen off the wagon. So how does terrorism become a gun control issue? Blaming guns for terrorism is like blaming cars for car accidents. Slush you are free to go but you're Pontiac is under arrest. The saddest thing about leftists is they think everyone else is as dumb as they are. They're not dumb - it's a strategy. They're strategy is you'll become so frustrated you'll flip, throw in the towel, and take they're side like many. That's a form of mind control btw. They are like women I've known.
 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The far left and muslim fanatics are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Their common enemy is traditional America. If they take over the world the fanatics will dispose of the leftists (useful tools) then dispose of each other for not being fanatical enough.
 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
When are conservatives going to come out of the closet you've been in seven years? The meek will inherit the earth not the weak or the mute.
 
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by KW4JA on December 4, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
There is a lot of conservative speech on YouTube but it's because most use pseudonyms so the boss and your neighbors don't know what you believe. Doesn't that tell you everything about your neighbors, your boss, you, and the country today?
 
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by KD7YVV on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
My my, what a discussion.
My previous response was before the mass shootings
in California. In that post, I said, people will kill
you for a dime. It seems in today's world, they'll
kill you just for being different.

The last time the power went out here, two sisters
were lighting their house with a few candles.

I brought over a few glow sticks. Much safer.
Neighbor helping neighbor. That's how it was when
I was a kid. All the neighbors knew each other, helped
each other, watched each other's kids etc.

Now, at the tender young age of 52, I can honestly
say that it is indeed a frightening world we live
in today. Yes, a lot of these prepper shows on
tv are entertainment, and that's what they're meant
to be. Just entertainment. Oh, there may be a few
good tips thrown in, but in my humble opinion, if
you weren't raised where common sense is the norm
and preparation is part of your lifestyle, you won't
have the skills necessary to survive.

It's a sad state of affairs when the lessons being
learned by these so-called prepper shows are hoard
and keep for yourself.

I watched a tv show called two broke girls.
It had to be the most mindless drivel I've ever
had the misfortune to watch. That's what TV is
today. It seems FCC chairman Minow was right.
It IS a great wasteland. :)

In school, we had to learn about Columbus.
Sorry, but learning about Columbus doesn't do a
damned thing for me or benefit me in any way.

Schools should be teaching about the Great Depression.
The Dust Bowl, the stock market crash of 1929,
and the lessons learned by our parents and grandparents.

In my opinion, our grandparents and parents will
probably survive any disaster we have today because
of their past life experience of actually living
through the Depression and Dust Bowl.

I agree with one poster, that home economics should
be taught to both boys and girls.

Schools take kids on field trips to museums.
What is seeing some million year old rock going to
do for those kids?

How about taking them to volunteer one day at a
homeless shelter, or soup kitchen? Show them what
life is like for the less fortunate?

Schools don't teach life skills like learning how
to balance a checkbook, or deal with a bank account.
I consider myself fortunate to be a child of the
1970's. My grandfather told me many stories of how
he grew up. I learned a lot from that old man.

Back then, school was simple. 2+2=4.
Nowadays with this so-called "common core" bullhockey,
math is made more difficult for kids to learn and
they're punished if they do it the "old way".

Oh, my! Teaching the old way is bad.
Some kid might actually learn something.
A kid might fall down while volunteering.
Can't have that in sue-happy America.

It's also sad to see this comment thread degenerate
into politics and name calling.
I was taught, if you can't say something nice, then
don't say anything at all.

They say 'tis the season, where thoughts turn to
things like "good cheer" etc. etc.

It's ironic there actually has to be a holiday where
everyone is supposed to care for each other.

Shouldn't it be that way year round?

Just my humble ramblings.... :)


 
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by KW4JA on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KD7YVV, Welcome to thunder ally.

KB2HSH,

You said you were abused as a child by your father. Now grown you can only be an abuser also or continue to be abused. Go back and read your posts. You are an abuser like your father. You became who you hated. The only thing you can do is give up your hatred but you don't seem ready to do so. Suffer.

KW4JA
 
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by KW4JA on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Ask GOD for help but you probably see that as crazy talk.
 
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by KW4JA on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KD7YVV,

It's likely the country is ending soon. There is an upside down government egging the still rather decent population to rebel so the government can clamp down and take total control. The government's caper is to turn groups against one another and bribe the weak and needy. The still rather decent population deals with their frustration by losing themselves in sports, entertainment, fooling around, and other escapes instead of standing up which they should have done a long ago. Both sides are at loggerheads. I don't see it as good vs. evil but rather purgatory vs. evil. There are some exception people but they won't be rewarded in this life and they won't be able to stop this mess unless they're are unknowns who will. Anything is possible under GOD.
 
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by KB2HSH on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA: Did I say that I was abused, asshole? How about you have your caregiver read my post to you.
 
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by KW4JA on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
You become whatever you hated or remain a victim. Same rules. A good professional you trust will help you with that.
 
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by KD7YVV on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA,
Do you have facts that the country is ending soon?
Last I heard, it's still a free country.
What's wrong is, as I stated, today's generation isn't
learning the lessons of the past, so history is doomed
to repeat itself. I won't bring religion into this
discussion because it's not the proper venue.
As far as the government goes, there are many who
believe that the government is trying to destroy this
country etc. etc. but when a disaster happens, the
first people to step in to offer aid is your LOCAL
government. If the disaster is widespread enough, then
the federal government steps in. My concern is for
people who don't take the time to learn the lessons
that our grandparents learned in the Great Depression.
People think the government will step in (and they
will) and make everything OK. It's not going to
happen at the snap of your fingers. While the
government, federal, state, and local have plans
to help mitigate the effects of a disaster, the
one thing people fail to realize is, it takes time
to mobilize those supplies and resources.
I'm sorry but don't subscribe to the theory that
the government is out to destroy the company.
After all, who would pay all the taxes? (GRIN!)
All I'm saying is, people are thinking the government
is going to step in the moment something happens,
and don't take the time to prepare themselves.
I'm not saying go all out, build a bunker in the
yard etc. etc. but little things. Flashlights,
glow sticks, enough medication to last a week or
two. Enough food to last a while. Help yourself
and your family first. That's the first thing I
learned during CERT training. Once you're set and
good to go, you're no longer a part of the disaster.
You're one less person the government has to expend
resources on, and those resources aren't infinite.
Then help your neighbors if you can. I'm not saying
give away the farm, but if you can spare supplies
to help your neighbor out, then do so. It's those
acts of kindness that make us who we are. Helping
your neighbor also helps to make them not part of
the disaster. These are the lessons and ways of
thinking that are lost on today's generation.
Maybe my way of thinking is considered old fashioned
by today's standards, but, maybe it's just me.
I prefer to be a part of the solution than to be
a part of the problem. I don't want me or my family
to be a burden, or to use resources that could be
used to help someone worse off than I am.
If you think about it, you have a roof over your
head, food to eat, water to drink, clothes to wear.
There are people in this country who served in the
military who don't have a roof over their head,
decent clothes to wear, food or drink.
It really doesn't take a lot. Volunteer some time,
drop a buck or two in the salvation army kettle
during the holidays. Buy a few extra groceries
and drop them in the food bank box. That can of soup
may not seem like much, but it will feed someone who
is hungry. We already have a disaster in this
country, and we live with it every day.
Homelessness and hunger. Storms, earthquakes, etc.
aren't the only disasters you know.
Everything I've typed are lessons learned from my
grandfather. Some may think me silly for my way of
thinking, others may think me a fool, but in all
honesty, I'm not here on this earth to live in fear
of what others think. An old saying is, a blizzard
starts with one snowflake, a deluge with one raindrop.
Helping yourself and others starts with one act.

 
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by JOHNZ on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@KD7YVV
Curious, why do you write column style, using short lines?

Local government is closest to the people. It IS the local people.

The federal government is to be feared. Want proof? Look no further than the delusional weather obsessed meteorologist who currently occupies the White House.
 
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by KD7YVV on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Hello Johnz,
I'm blind, so I don't really have a reference.
I just write as I write. :)
It works for me I guess.
 
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by W8LV on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The Government is not about to fall. In a Representative Republic, everything rides on a sort of Pendulum, moving Left, to Centre, to Right, and back again. And Yes, it has presently moved to the Left, to the consternation of the Fellows of the Right. But the motion will swing the other way...not too long ago, it was to the Right. And when it was, the Banks and The Brokerage houses were in a very unregulated state, having a Sweethart Deal by not having to keep more liquid cash on hand. Thus the Crash, often blamed on the Left, was really about cronies, from the Right, who Bastardardized our Capitalist system. (Imagine you as the head of your home NOT carrying insurance, simply because you don't have to, and instead you can draw more salary. All Fine and Good if nothing goes wrong, but would a reasonable Father ever do this?) And in 2008, it fell like the Straw Man that it was. The reality is that NO incoming President could fix this.

And, NO doubt, the Right saw Roosevelt as The AntiChrist when he came into office. But, the Majority begged to differ, as I believe he was elected four times. Though on the Left, he was the right man at the right time.

But, the most important thing here is the Pendulum that drives the whole thing: In our system, that very Pendulum is the Constitution. It is not a weak string, but much more like a steel cable. And with the addition of the Bill of Rights, that cable has been alloyed to be quite strong, indeed.

If anything, our system has been so successful, that the real risk is not preparing for emergencies because we've become complacent! Where Else On Earth do the majority of the poor people in a society eat on a regular basis, have clothing to wear, a roof over their head, potable water, and electricity? Or where else do you ever see poor people who are fat?

In relative comparison, even though our economy is a mess, certainly it and even our devalued currency would be considered quite stable to other countries indeed!
 
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by JOHNZ on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
@W8LV

Very good! You virtually spewed out the liberal democrat narrative word-for-word, along with some other far left rhetoric. All of which are lies.

The crash of 2008 was a direct result of democrat Senator Chris Dodd and democrat Representative Barney "The Lisper" Frank fighting tooth and nail against having Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac audited. Both organizations were forced by the democrat controlled congress and democrat president to continue making loans to people who had no credit, were welfare recipients, had bad credit, and had no intention of ever paying on these loans, let alone ever paying them off. Democrats forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make these loans in order to ensure the people who benefited from these loans would remain loyal democrat voters. As expected, when people by the hundreds of thousands defaulted on these home loans, the bubble burst. The economy crashed, and the housing market exploded from defaulted loans, which we, the tax payers, had to make good on, thanks to the democrat party.

Now, don't you feel better knowing the truth and not the left wing spin?

As far as Roosevelt, hardly the right man, at no time, then again, at least he was not a delusional weather obsessed meteorologist like we have in the White House today. Roosevelt should have been impeached for deliberately ignoring repeated warnings about the impending disaster at Pearl Harbor and for deliberately ignoring daily intelligence reports based on information from U.S. Navy cryptologists who were tracking the Japanese attack fleet from the moment it sailed for Pearl Harbor, and that is researchable fact, facts that liberal historians keep buried. The Navy cryptologic museum in Pensacola, Florida has this information in their archives. Roosevelt decided he wanted America to enter war, and he made that promise to Churchill. The Pearl Harbor attack propelled America into the war.

Roosevelt brought the era of big government socialism to America, expensive big government. Social security was one of his biggest lies, about how little it would cost future generations. Not to mention the dozens of expensive bloated government alphabet agencies he created, which continue to drain our economy and American tax payers to this day. Right man? No, he was just an out of control big government socialist, similar to the one we have in the White House today.

I do not expect to persuade you or to change your mind. I have loads of experience dealing with far left democrats, so I am familiar with their ilk. At least one can tell when democrats have nothing more of substance to contribute to a discussion. At that point, they will begin calling you names.
 
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by JOHNZ on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
And how did Roosevelt get elected four times? He did it the same way Obungler got reelected. How can anybody run against Santa Claus, when Santa Claus promises everybody something for free? It gets Santa Claus elected, but then surprise! The bills come due at some point, and reality sinks in. We are at that point now, except 50% of the country are now receiving gifts from Santa Claus, so guess who they will vote for? Yup, whoever continues to give them free stuff. Look no further than the secular socialism in Europe to see what is America's future.
 
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by W8LV on December 5, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
JohnZ,

I am a Constitutionalist Conservative. I left the Republican Party after finding no more conservatives there. I do belong to the Libertarian Party.
My thinking on Government more follows the likes of Mark Levin, for example.

I am at the point in my life where I find BOTH parties to merely be opposite ends of the SAME LOG of Stinking Poo.

Look, I don't even like the "Left Turn Only" Lane while I am in traffic.

Most of Roosevelt's Socialist Policies were defeated in the Supreme Court, and this is another fine example of the Checks and Balances that are bestowed upon us by the U.S. Constitution.

You see, our System is not about a One Man Rule. I could also give you a lesson on The Commonwealth, which is a VOLUNTARY Commonwealth. You might recall that Scotland recently had a vote to remain in it. But that would entail covering with you really basic High School Civics Class, where at least when I attended we discussed the Magna Carta, King John, and the Federalist Papers. Without this background, it would be a bit like trying to learn the New Testament without studying the Old Testament, or the other books. You might consider reading History of the English Speaking People by Winston Churhill. But this isn't the place for that discussion.

However, I think that the Jury of Hindsight has pretty much come in on the side of Roosevelt And Churchill. And we cannot forget that the Nazis came within three kilometers of Moscow, and Russia lost many, many more people than we did. This is aside from any Politics of the USA, the UK Commonwealths, or the USSR. Or any infighting amongst them. Or even each other. These are, in actuality, established facts. But of course, everybody is entitled to his own Opinion.

I hope you try and get along with your neighbors and colleagues and family members who may have a different point of view than you do, and try to understand the other side of things. In a Free Speech Society, the BEST argument will win the day. Always.
 
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by W8LV on December 6, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, and just one more thing, JohnZ...
President Richard Nixon took us off of the Gold Standard which before then, backed our currency. And he made himself out to be a Conservative Republican. At least that's what he told us...

Successive Republican AND Democrat administrations have printed so much money since then, (and even before!) that they have essentially committed legalized counterfeiting.

When you try to save money and it is devalued by inflation, the Government has essentially not merely taxed you: Instead, they have stolen your money, right out of the bank...and they did it without a gun, a stocking cap, or even the combination to the bloody safe.

A dollar in 1950 is today in 2015 worth...ten cents.

So, a tip of the Green Telegrapher's Visor to you, Sir,
All The Best, and perhaps we will meet on the radio someday...

I'm usually hobbnobbing on 7.138 or thereabouts, in either CW or SSB.

73 DE W8LV Bill
 
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by W8LV on December 6, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
JohnZ... How can I converse with you if you don't even have a Call Sign?

You might want to have a go at the FCC exams...
They are not that hard. The question pools are all published. I got in the door with the "No Code Tech". Then I got the 5 WPM. So I took a shot at the General. But I had to work the night before, so I had to take that one twice...I couldn't stay awake for the test! Then,I got the Advanced. I think that the Advanced was the hardest FCC test I took of all of the bunch! Then,I got the Extra, at 20 WPM as it was then. I could have medicaled out of that one, since I needed hand surgery, but went after it at 20 anyway. I just squeezed by on the 20 WPM. (Since then, I have had hand surgery...all good now!) I thought that the written part of the Extra was easy. Then, just for kicks, I thought I'd try the Commercial Exams... Why not? I could take them right at Universal Radio, since they provide classroom space for all of the exams (Thanks, Fred and Mrs. Osterman!) So I took the GROL. It seemed, to me, to be pretty much the same as the Amateur exams. So I passed that one. So I figured, how hard can the other tests be? And I was very interested in Satellites. So I went after the GMDSS operator and maintainer licence. So I got that one,actually the pair all wrapped into one licence by taking those two exams, too. And then I figured why not just go ahead and get the Ship Radar Endorsement... since I am already here taking the GMDSS tests? So I took the Radar test, and I got that one, too.

Just look at the question pool, do a little math ahead of time, and study Gordon West's Books, which are fantastic! I've had a lot of fun along the way. And if I can do it, anybody can.

Math, Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, Radio: These things are Truth. I think that's why I enjoy them... No teacher or Professor could guve me a crappy grade if they merely disagreed with me, and then write nasty tbings in the Blue Book that I worked so hard on with studying...and this DID happen to me when I was a kid in College. At least I felt that way. Because I didn't believe in their Politics. I won't say which way they believed, it does not matter. But I was no slouch. I didn't cut classes...because I figured I PAID for them. I was a very serious student...even though I didn't get many "A" grades.

Politics? Not Truth. I am still learning about radio everyday! Lately, at antenna-theory.com.... And through the ARRL books. I just finished the Propagation and Radio Science one....and it's a VERY good read.


So why not have a go at it?
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 6, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Reading the comments on this article reminds me why I don't use my callsign here.

I'm not sure what shocks me more, the nuttiness on display, or the fact that eHam leaves it here.
 
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by JOHNZ on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Gentlemen can agree to disagree.

Gentlemen do not resort to name calling, threats, personal attacks, profanity, or racial slurs.

Differing opinions in a market place of ideas are very American, as is free, open, and robust discussion.

As hard as it is to believe today, many decades ago amateur radio operators were gentlemen and addressed each other as such.

I am grateful to the owners of eHam for allowing vibrant discussion, as should we all be.

Looking back over this topic, it is very easy to see who the gentlemen are.
 
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by JOHNZ on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
And don't forget that today is a significant day in American history.

Your grandfathers and great grandfathers who were serving in the U.S. military in Hawaii on December 7, 1941 did not have a nice day today.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>At least one can tell when democrats have nothing more of substance to contribute to a discussion. At that point, they will begin calling you names.

You mean like when conservatives call people 'libtards'?
 
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by KW4JA on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KD7YVV,

The government will not come to the rescue. They are playing for the other side. If not they are doing a good job of fooling us. Right now the first, second, and fifth amendments are under attack. When the constitution disappears so does the country. The US has survived 239 years because of the constitution.

KW4JA
 
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by KW4JA on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Attorney General Loretta Lynn (of Stand by Your Man fame) says you will be arrested if your speech incites Muslim violence. Lynn doesn't seem to comprehend the sensitivity of terrorists. It doesn't take much to incite them - your very existence seems to rub them the wrong way. So where does that leave Christian Americans and our rights?

I don't say fight. That's what the government wants. Definitely don't shut up - but don't incite violence! Speak up against the government - it's not your government.
 
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by W8LV on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
I doubt that the Government would be in much of a position to help any of us on an up close, individual basis. They had a hard time, for example, with Katrina.

Instead, it's really up to us to see to our individual needs, storing specific items, medications that we need for our family members,etc.

So the present system is good when it comes to distribution....for now. It's not like we have been issued ration cards...

The government has to, literally, feed an Army. And be concerned with their own fuel and parts/logistics support. I don't see how they would have much time or resources to devote to anything other than their own situation. Maintaining Civil control would be quite a task...

I won't forget the line at the filling station that had power after Hurricane Charley. Those people appeared (to me) to be quite angry. We stayed away. After opening the upstairs faucets in our rented townhouse, we could drain water from the tank located behind the stairwell. After placing a dining table in front of the first floor sliding glass doors, with mattresses placed between the table and the glass. Another thing I remember, is how dangerous those Spanish roof tiles were that they use a lot of down there... they lifted up and slid down the roof, coming to a rest on the eavsetroughs, but they would form a "dam", and the rest would slide down off of the roof. And they are heavy. The water from the tank (stayed hot for over two days... and we had soap towels and washcloths), Peanut Butter, a radio (one of those little Sony "headphones only" ones with the weather band included) and the water from the tank was about all that we had. So we got by on it. I didn't expect anybody to appear to us and say "We're from the Government, and we're here to help you."

So, if you are in Florida, you might think about stowing away a hardhat or two with the radio... ;-)

And even if you are in a HOANAZI controlled area, you might stash a dipole away...I doubt that you are going to get a knock on the door from The Association when a good part of the neighborhood is missing. They might even "get" that ham radio is actually important to have around for the NEXT TIME. But don't bet on it.



 
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by KW4JA on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
State and local governments are mostly still on our side. I'm referring to the federal government.
 
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by KW4JA on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
State and local governments are mostly still on our side. I'm referring to the federal government.
 
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by KW4JA on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Don't believe the media when she says no Republican can beat Billary. They lie about everything. There strategy is to get you to change your support for Trump to a weaker candidate. If the election was today Trump would beat Billary by twenty points.

After eight years of Bummer the Democrats won't win another election for twenty years. Just pray there is an election in 2016. I still think evil is afoot. Some declaration by Bummer that an election will be a threat to the United States. What do you expect from what you already know about him?
 
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by KW4JA on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The media's game is to make everybody think that what they believe is what everybody believes. Tain't so. Fewer people everyday believe what they do. They try to make you believe Trump is evil. They say he is unamerican. That would make lefty Roosevelt a complete racist and unamerican. Just see their game for what it is. Every country on earth has borders and fences they enforce. To be good Americans according to the media we have to be suicidal. They're not really suicidal. They are just brain washed lefties who only thing about the agenda - a utopia where human nature rises under total control of an elite government. They have no understanding of human nature whatsoever. Nor do they realize they are not journalists, merely puppets of the left. If they can't see that what more can we expect from them?
 
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by KD7YVV on December 7, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KJ4WA,
Then why do FEMA, the Red Cross, and the reason we have
we have our frequencies continue to exist?
By your reasoning, if the Government isn't going to
provide aid during a large scale disaster why continue
to fund them? As the son of a man who worked for
decades for NBC News, it has been a life-long habit of
mine to watch the news. I've seen stories where the
Government has provided both supplies and monetary aid
after hurricanes, wildfires, snowstorms, floods, etc.
I fail to understand why you believe help will not
eventually arrive when past documented behavior shows
the exact opposite. It may not be instantaneous, but
as I stated, recovering from a disaster does take time.
However, I do believe we as a people should have the
skills needed to help ourselves in the short term.
Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime.
We are all born into this world naked and helpless.
We all have a limited amount of time on this earth
before we die. There are those who think the world
owes them a living. Knowledge is a powerful thing.
Compassion is even more powerful.
Here's another thought. If the government doesn't care
and won't help, why do they send up weather satellites
to help predict dangerous weather days in advance?
Why not let those affected by the storm die without
warning? Are you really sure the Government won't help?

 
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by KW4JA on December 8, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
We have had floods in Florida in 2015. Obama didn't approve disaster declaration because Florida has a Republican governor. Two counties were flooded with only county and state assistance. Obama has an agenda that guides all of his actions. He only obeys law that furthers his agenda and avoids law that doesn't. If it hasn't affected you you have been lucky so far.
 
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Many Floridians lost everything. The Red Cross helped. FEMA and SBA didn't.
 
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/fema-rejects-gov-rick-scotts-appeal-on-disaster-declaration-for-tampa-bay/2246841

Read it and weep...
 
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@Straightkey

You are missing my entire point.

When ANYONE resorts to name calling, they have lost the argument and they have nothing more of substance to offer.

Kindly note elsewhere how I remarked how one can determine who the gentlemen are in this topic?

 
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"Kindly note elsewhere how I remarked how one can determine who the gentlemen are in this topic? "

Topic? You guys are so far off topic it's not funny!!

 
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by KD7YVV on December 8, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KW4JA, thank you for the article.
I have a friend in Florida and he never showed me
this article. It's one reason I say you have to rely
on yourself and be prepared. As I write this, we
are experiencing a series of storms here in WA state.
I live on the coast, and the coast is getting the
brunt of it. It's a shame politics has to enter the
simple equation of human aid. This is why I said that
today's generation is not as well prepared to handle
a disaster as our parents and grandparents were.
As little as 2 generations ago, most of the USA did
not even have electricity, telephone, or even a
standard time reference. The railroads started it
back in the 1920's. Where the railroads went, services
soon followed. For a fun read, look up the Uniform
Time Act of 1966.
 
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KD7YVV,

Still you see nothing wrong with Obama no matter what evidence you are shown. The borders wide open and those ridiculous attempts to ban guns from law abiding citizens. The penny will never drop.
 
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by KW4JA on December 8, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
N7KFD,

How are floods in Florida off topic? From seven land you also are totally asleep or otherwise unconscious of the predicament the country is in. You can't see what is in front of your nose. Mass hypnosis by a smooth talker.
 
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by KW4JA on December 8, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
They have eyes but cannot see - ears but cannot hear...
 
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by KW4JA on December 8, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Lefties are unable to perceive the existence of evil because they would see it in themselves: Appeasement, weakness, buried hatred they keep hidden, doing good only because it feels good and others are watching. Will travel around the world to look right but won't lift a finger to be right. Case in point - they always give even though giving does more harm than good to people who have contempt for handouts - even hatred for do gooders.

You have to understand sometimes kindness is cruel and cruelty is kind. Wonder where that saying came from? Now you know.
 
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Now that's off Topic!
 
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Trouble with Righties: Wooden, no faith, worry too much about what others think, no courage. Afraid of losing everything they have. They will anyway.
 
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They have noses, but can't smell the crap they see and hear. Conservative dogs will be sleeping with liberal cats. The rivers will flow with milk of amnesia. So it is written in Eham, and so it shall be done.
 
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Pretty accurate compared to some of the things you've said. You are emotionally angry so wear yourself down and end up with autoimmune illness instead of changing the world. With emotion you force people to believe as you or believe the opposite.
 
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"Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder," written by Dr Michael Savage, without a doubt, one of the best books ever written for those wanting to know what left wing liberalism is all about.

 
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by KW4JA on December 9, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Savage is good but he emotionalizes everyone. Already angry people become addicted to his program. I prefer Roy Masters because he helps individuals overcome anger. Without that done first you can't stop being part of the problem.
 
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Johnz,

https://www.fhu.com/advice_line_recent.php

Try this program. He is better than Savage.
 
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JohnZ:

You might like the Make Levin Show:

www.marklevinshow.com

He's syndicated, and also all of the shows are available on the archive, for free.

There is also an app for the show, also free.

73 DE Bill W8LV
 
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Mark Levin (sorry about the typo)

www.marklevinshow.com
 
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by KD7YVV on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KJ4WA,
Whether I see anything wrong with Obama is not the issue.
As I said in a previous post, this thread is not the
proper venue for politics. The government can't help
everyone, it was never designed to. As of this morning
we're on storm #2 of 5. Yes, there are times the
government says no. That's why it's important to be
self-reliant. I'm sure people want and expect the
government to step in. Although I would be grateful
for any assistance, as I said, I'd like to rely on the
government as little as possible. There are many more
in this country who are worse off than I am.
As far as the radio shows mentioned, bah, mouthpieces
paid to fill airtime. Look at video of Portland, and
some parts of Washington, we're dealing with flooding
and the state has yet to ask for federal help.
What's not surprising to me, is how many people are
NOT prepared for even a small storm let alone a
major disaster. Maybe it's just me, but if I had
to rely on the government to have a roof over my
head and food in my belly I'd be homeless and
hungry. Two very real problems I've posted previously
about in this thread. We have how many empty houses
in this country? How many homeless hmmmm?
So why are those houses empty and why are there
homeless? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
The problem is, everyone wants as much money for
whatever they have or can sell as they can get.
Look at rents in the Seattle area. The apartment
I was in 5 years ago is now going almost for triple
what I was paying in rent. As I said in previous
posts, younger people are not taking the time to learn
the lessons that came easy to our grandparents and
parents. The USA as a whole is less prepared for
any type of disaster than our parents and grandparents
were 50 years ago. So, keeping the thread on topic,
don't you think it would be prudent to teach today's
generation the lessons learned by our parents and
grandparents? Oh, wait, that's right, like Mighty
Mouse, the government will save the day. Yep, OK.
I'll sell you a bridge in Brooklyn if you believe that.
Yes, in some cases the government will help eventually,
but if I had to hold my breath, I'd be blue in the face.
 
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by KD7YVV on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
KJ4WA,
Here's a letter that was posted in one of our online
newspapers here.

http://northcoastnews.com/opinion/voices-lessons-learned-powerful-2007-storm.html

That's the area I live in. You HAVE to be self-reliant.
See what I mean?
 
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by KD7YVV on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
More proof....

http://www.weather.com/storms/severe/news/pacific-northwest-storm-impacts

As of this morning Washington is under a state of
emergency. Do you still think people should sit and
wait for federal help? Here's a thought, maybe the
government is too busy wasting time spewing bullhockey
to "elect" our next "leader".
Quite frankly, although I do vote, voting is the last
thing on my mind at the moment. Too busy keeping watch
on one of the local rivers to be sure that should I
have to evacuate, my wife and I will be able to.

 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Mark Levin should wear a dress. All he does is whine about everything. He's another one of these guys that tries to make people think he's smart by quoting the Constitution and applying his own warped interpretations. He would be a more productive member of society if he cleaned toilets rather than making verbal crap emanate from radios. Savage is a really good manipulator, but he doesn't have as many lemmings following him.

Speaking of broadcast radio, the FCC should abolish broadcast AM radio and make it an amateur radio CW band.
 
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@STRAIGHTKEY

You can't possibly beleve Levin or Savage give a rip what your opinion of them is? They are way too busy laughing, all the way to the bank to make another deposit.

 
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by KW4JA on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Talk radio is the last bastion to protect the country and the constitution. Some do it better than others.

KD7YVV,

The millenials are mostly slugs but they weren't born that way. With the right spoiling and brainwashing they pretty much turned out how the left anticipated. It's really too late to change the future. The millenials are the third generation of madness since WWII. Once the boomers pass the left will have few obstacles to what they plan. I'd say approximately 1/3 of the boomers finally grew up at some point in their lives but not enough.
 
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by KW4JA on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
The left has been in Hollywood since the 1950s as McCarthy knew. When Father Knows Best was replace by the Donna Reed Show you knew the revolution had occurred. Today millenials know nothing about nationalism, patriotism, war, or suffering. They are do a crash course. Video games won't prepare them for the future.
 
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by KW4JA on December 10, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
One hundred million people died in WWII but the world population was much less. Today there are scientists and leaders who greatly want to reduce the world population. In the United States the left expected the right would die off eventually until Trump spoiled there plans. He is bringing us back to patriotism which has been under attack since the 1960's. All age groups are drawn to him. Trump is the last chance for America as I can foresee until other leaders rise. Hopefully many people can wake up or at least yearn survival enough to change their world view. The wolves are out there. We and our leaders have been placating, befriending, and inviting their aggression for too long. Wake up!
 
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Trump owes much of his success to one person, Barrack Hussein Obama.

The more the liberal media attacks and smears Trump, the more popular he grows.

The Clinton machine is losing sleep at night over Trump's growing popularity with legal Hispanics, blue-collar democrats, and traditional African-Americans.

 
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by KW4JA on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Johnz,

His name as a young man was Barry Soweto. What would compel a young Christian to change their name to Muslim name Barack Hussein Obama? Maybe someone didn't slap me upside the head when I mistakenly concluded he is a Muslim.
 
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by KW4JA on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Johnz,

You're right. His popularity is with all age groups which is amazing. I believe you have to be right of center to see reality clearly. Leftist are mostly delusional. They see in reality what they hope is true but it isn't. Human beings are born innocent and devolve through their lives. I was healthiest before I was ten years old and now as a senior. The middle of my life (the Liberal years) I was a big mess. I let everyone make me doubt what I knew was true as a child. Liberals should believe the opposite of whatever the believe. It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode when George did that and all his decisions led to success.
 
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by KW4JA on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Trumps needs to keep doing what he's doing. When the left tries to stop the election we'll find out who's the Nazis.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>They are way too busy laughing, all the way to the bank to make another deposit

Indeed. So is the rest of conservative media, gun and ammo manufacturers, gold coin brokers, Wall Street, and everyone else profiting from the conservative paranoia echo chamber. It's easy making money off of tools and fools, and is a wonderful business model if you're playing in that space. All you need is an enemy (ISIS, Muslims, liberals, "welfare queens", immigrants, academics, moderates, the media, foreign countries, the UN), an uninformed and often uneducated populace, and a continual message of frustration, fear, and hate. Profit!
 
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@STRAIGHTKEY

What is fair is fair, and indeed, it was Saul Alinsky of radical far left fame who said, "You never let a good crisis go to waste."

It would seem the far left has had its own rules put to good use? Much the same way that Barrack Hussein Obama is responsible for creating Trump's popularity, along with the liberal media's smears and attacks.

 
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by KW4JA on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Straightkey,

So you don't care if ISIS invades the United States because the #1 problem is the right exploiting fear for profit? Trump doesn't need money or donations.

Obama pits ethnic groups against ethnic groups. You are accusing Trump of doing what Obama does. Do you have any money? You must own a computer or a cell phone. If so isn't that being selfish? You should give your money to the poor. You're argument is full of contradictions.
 
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by KW4JA on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Now you are arguing for both sides so I assume you are unsure what to believe. You may just be thinking too much. If I were you I would try meditation, exercise, or physical work. Too much thinking can be a problem esp when most of your thoughts go around in circles.
 
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by KW4JA on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Just let go. There is no need to struggle. Just realize there is something greater. The problem is greater than you but so is the solution.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
In the US more people have been killed from soda and diabetes than ISIS. No, Obama isn't pitting ethnic groups against each other. The straw man argument you fabricated is full of contradictions. Still beating your wife?
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 11, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>Much the same way that Barrack Hussein Obama is responsible for creating Trump's popularity, along with the liberal media's smears and attacks.

Right, because Obama talks about Trump 24 hours a day. Oh wait, that's Fox and CNN, and the 35% of Republican voters who are gushing over him.
 
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Straightkey said:

"Right, because Obama talks about Trump 24 hours a day. Oh wait, that's Fox and CNN, and the 35% of Republican voters who are gushing over him."


No, actually, Obama prefers to pretend Trump does not exist. However, Obama's policies for the last eight years have done all the talking for him, and it is those policies which are driving Trump's growing popularity. Moreover, it is Obama-Clinton foreign policy which has voters paying such close attention to this election cycle.

Yes, CNN is providing a platform for far left pundits to attack Trump, and those attacks are giving Trump loads of free publicity.

Fox? Seriously? Have you actually been watching them report on Trump? If so, then you would know they are providing a platform for pro and anti Trump pundits to air their opinions. Incidentally, Clinton and Sanders have both refused to appear on Fox, whereas Trump has appeared on Fox AND CNN. In fact, Fox's O'Reilly has put Trump through some of Trump's toughest interviews.

The voters are beginning to see candidate Clinton avoid tough media scrutiny, while Trump relishes the opportunity to face off with all media outlets and types. The words "leader" and "leadership" come to mind quickly.
 
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Cheer up Straightkey, because when it is all over in November 2016, the voters will have had for the first time in many years a clear choice between two candidates with very different visions for America, that is, if Trump continues to be one of the candidates. McCain, Romney, and Jeb Bush are RINOs, establishment Republicans who identify more with the democrat party.

It was all over for Romney during the debates, when he failed to call out CNN's Candy Crowley when she compromised her so called impartiality as moderator when she sided with and defended Obama's position on Benghazi. Trump would have immediately called out and exposed the rotund Crowley's bias and compromised moderator impartiality.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 12, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>Obama prefers to pretend Trump does not exist.

So do most rational Republicans, as adults do when there's a screaming toddler in a supermarket.

>However, Obama's policies for the last eight years have done all the talking for him, and it is those policies which are driving Trump's growing popularity

The only thing driving Trump's popularity is the racist, misogynistic, paranoid, and irrational segment of the Republican party. Fortunately for Trump there are a lot of them. They blame their problems on "Obama policies" like the ACA and imaginary gun control laws or fears of martial law or whatever other BS they've heard in the conservative echo chamber. They'll vote for whatever right wing nutcase screams the loudest. Right now that's Trump.
 
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by KC2QYM on December 14, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Lets cut to the chase...
In the event of a nuclear attack, dysfunctional infrastructure and non existent leadership and order is the inevitable result. The first casualty of such a catastrophe is civilized humanity.

For example, you've prepared for a long term hunkering down in your home related to such an inevitability. You have provisions, duct tape, and firearms. You stay put to wait things out as it makes no sense to venture out into the hostile world. Your neighbor who you've known for years comes knocking as he wants to borrow some water. He always laughed at you when you told him that you always stocked up on canned goods for just such a possiblity. Now he's looking to you for help. You have no idea how long this 'emergency' will last but you can bet that society has been altered for the forseeable future.

How do you handle your neighbor? Let's make this as easy as an Amateur Radio license question (select only one answer).

A. Open the door and give the neighbor what he wants.

B. Tell the neighbor to go away and that you only have enough for you and your family.

C. Tell the neighbor you're willing to barter with him for something; nothing but a even exchange will do. (No value brought to the table, no deal).

D. Shoot your neighbor; might as well eliminate the potential threat of another parasite.
 
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by KW4JA on December 14, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Straightcase,

You seem to be arguing for the left in one post then the right in the next so my responses have ended. Good luck arguing with yourself.
 
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by WB4M on December 14, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
"I don't watch MSNBC at all. Never have, never will. I also don't watch NBC, ABC, or CBS. Or Fox "News".

Gee, then where in the world do you get your "facts", your "true news"?
 
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by K0AST on December 16, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
You don't tell your neighbor you prep to begin with...

"Lets cut to the chase...
In the event of a nuclear attack, dysfunctional infrastructure and non existent leadership and order is the inevitable result. The first casualty of such a catastrophe is civilized humanity.

For example, you've prepared for a long term hunkering down in your home related to such an inevitability. You have provisions, duct tape, and firearms. You stay put to wait things out as it makes no sense to venture out into the hostile world. Your neighbor who you've known for years comes knocking as he wants to borrow some water. He always laughed at you when you told him that you always stocked up on canned goods for just such a possiblity. Now he's looking to you for help. You have no idea how long this 'emergency' will last but you can bet that society has been altered for the forseeable future.

How do you handle your neighbor? Let's make this as easy as an Amateur Radio license question (select only one answer).

A. Open the door and give the neighbor what he wants.

B. Tell the neighbor to go away and that you only have enough for you and your family.

C. Tell the neighbor you're willing to barter with him for something; nothing but a even exchange will do. (No value brought to the table, no deal).

D. Shoot your neighbor; might as well eliminate the potential threat of another parasite."
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 17, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>Gee, then where in the world do you get your "facts", your "true news"?

If you have to ask, you probably can't handle the answer.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 17, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>You seem to be arguing for the left in one post then the right in the next so my responses have ended.

If you think I'm arguing for the right in the post, it's likely sarcasm. Google it.
 
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by WB4M on December 17, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
If you have to ask, you probably can't handle the answer.

Nice dodge.
 
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by STRAIGHTKEY on December 17, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
>Nice dodge.

Well, if you spend five minutes you might be able to figure it out.
 
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by KC0NIB on December 18, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
Heck yes; I prep.

Maybe not as much as some others, but having grown up in cub and boy scouts, and being a study of the sciences including all things ham radio, I've learned that you should have a lot of "understanding" under your belt if you wish to survive.

 
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by NC4TB on December 28, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
To me the question is not wheither or not to prep, but how to get the rest of the community to prep, even minimally, for a local, regional, or national disaster.
No matter how much I prep, I cannot take care of the masses that will show up on my door step to beg or try to steal my resources, not without compromising my families security.
Sadly, many are of the mindset, like the wife, that prepping is unnecessary, and the government will help you. How'd that work out for New Orleans? What if there is no longer a functioning government to respond?
Just remember, if anything big happens, You are On Your On (YOYO).
 
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by KC0NIB on December 30, 2015 Mail this to a friend!
It unfortunately is well known that should TSHTF actually happen; and it might yet... that the taking of lives may be inevitable for some of us. We know some will come out of simple desperation but others will come out of dubious desires.
It's a sad state of affairs but sometimes you have to focus and know the obvious.

May God help this nation.
 
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by K8HU on January 1, 2016 Mail this to a friend!
K6AER "Gets it." Well spoken, sir.

Here on the VA Coast, we don't often feel the effects of a Hurricane but when we do, its a bell-ringer. Last bad one was Isabel; we had no utility power for 10 days. Ice storms are another threat in this area. Last bad one took down utility power for 5 days. We had power, courtesy of the Caterpillar diesel generator I installed circa 2003.

We live in a rural area but in the quiet of the evening post-Isabel, we could hear the arguments and sometimes, fights over ice the government was distributing in the parking lot of a local grocery store 1.5 miles up the road. One day 3, I saw people who had their faces pressed to the glass of closed and locked 7-11 due to no power because they needed gas. I guess they felt if they stared long enough, the gas fairy would magically appear.

Everyone ought to have 30 days of food and more importantly, water put back which is rotated. A planned, way out of your area AND someplace to go is #2 on your list. Remember all those people streaming out of Florida ahead of the trio of Hurricanes starting with Charley? Remember the images of people, stranded on the interstate out of gas and no food or water? You want to join them? Then don't prepare. Going to leave your families safety and well being to "the professionals"? Stand ready to be disappointed and besides, its not their job. Its YOURS!

Participation in the "gun culture" is not a requisite but owning firearms is your God-given right and having some firearms training is an integral part of responsible ownership. Cops are great people and sacrifice much in doing their jobs. We owe them our support and respect. However, in so many cases, about all they can do is take a report. Learn to avoid putting your safety in jeopardy. Take the NRA "Refuse to be a Victim" course. Adopt a mindset to be where everyone else is not which especially includes lines waiting for ice, food or gas distribution.

I'm USCG and was involved supporting our service' recovery efforts, post Katrina. ADM Allen did a heck of a job with what he had available and I was proud to serve under him as our Commandant. Still, much of the personal discomfort and tragic outcome could have been abated if even a percentage of the population would have adopted the mindset many have advocated in their comments regarding this topic.

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