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Shocked at What I Hear on HF

Bryan Beam (W4HLD) on February 16, 2017
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Recently I decided to get back on HF. I put up a dipole and turned on the rig. I scanned 40 meters and the first QSO I heard was full of profanity and the topics being discussed should not be via ham radio. I was first ashamed and then angry that ham radio has come to this.

I was last on HF about three years ago. I had noticed some of this activity on 75/80 meters. Evidently it's spread.

Some will say, spin the dial or turn off the radio. I get it and don't disagree. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic but I'm afraid as the years go on this type of behavior will become more and more common.

I've been a proud ham for over 40 years. I hope I continue to be proud of our hobby. I want to be comfortable to introduce ham radio to my grandchildren and not be worried about what they may hear.

The reason for this post is to ask those that may use profanity on the air and discuss vulgar subjects to not do so. Please be respectful of the audience and the great (clean) hobby. Don't lower yourself. Anyone who earned their ham radio license should have enough pride in themselves to not stoop to this level.

Thanks for listening.

Bryan, W4HLD

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Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by VK4FFAB on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Discussion on ham radio is nothing more than a refection of what is happening in society at large. Thankfully for the sensible and moderates there is contesting, dxing and number collecting so we do not have to listen to or deal with the alt right dribble that is polluting the world and ultimately some parts of our radio spectrum.
 
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by ONAIR on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I agree, some of the language and subject matter has gotten way out of hand. I recently heard a conversation where an older ham was "elmering" a young ham on how to get college girls into bed, and using terms that were beyond explicit! If you really want to be in for a shock, just do as search for the "renegade repeater" on Broadcastify.com It's actually being streamed live over the internet!
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K8DK on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
CW works for me.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by AK4YH on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"Thankfully for the sensible and moderates there is contesting"

The behavior of some contesters is often the worst of what I hear on HF. They have no regard for non-participants, park themselves on QRP calling frequencies with 500W and call non-stop for hours. They will squash anyone as long as they can fill their log book. they take whole bands, sometimes all of them, except WARC, for whole weekends when operating for regular hams is all but impossible. It is similar to road rage I guess when regular people become monsters while driving. Contest organizers don't seem to care.

So, "thankfully," I don't think so...

Gil.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by N4OI on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Spin the dial, disconnect the mic, plug in the paddle --- Life is Good again! :>)

73
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by N3HKN on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Where is the ARRL on this. SILENT! Chaos is the new acceptable norm in government and the Amateur Radio bands.

Dues collection and QSL management are their prime mission.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KT8DX on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I avoid all this by sticking to CW anywhere and 17 meter SSB. Nice people in both places. 50 mhz has great people too, but if very sparse for me most of the time.

3995? Yuck.

Peace and 73s

KT8DX
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by W2UIS on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Try DStar.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by N9CM on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I agree that in some conversations, the language and subject matter is inappropriate but our present society wants "freedom of speech" regardless how off color.

I heard a conversation between two younger ops about female anatomy, etc (won't go into the details) and berating older "stupid" ops and neither one knew how to properly have their radio set as both were over driving and distorted, one with RF in his signal. It was painful to hear the short time I came across them.

All you have to do is turn on the TV and listen to the extreme leftist talk and bias in news reporting to see where our society is heading. One reason I won't listen to the news much as events are not reported but spun and fabricated often. Not worth it. Ham radio won't be any different when you consider the cross section you are experiencing.

Best to go on CW and enjoy a relaxing QSO or rag chew on SSB and if it turns ugly or whatever, switch it off or QSY. Life is too short to allow oneself to be annoyed with nonsense and insensitive, inappropriate people.

Just be "wise" as to how you conduct yourself when on the air and likely, you won't have a problem.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by AC9EJ on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
As a returning ham and new to operating HF phone,,, I have to say, folks have been pretty cordial and decent. On this topic though, I have to wonder, are hams no longer policing themselves ?

I really think if I encountered illegal, profane or otherwise obnoxious operating, I would try to document it, identify the offending stations and if it was that bad, I would report them.

I cant see that kind of thing happening to any large degree of hams do not tolerate it.

Just my two cents.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K3EY on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
VK4FFAB---WELL SAID!

I agree on convicts, er contesters, it's no different than hearing potty mouths and high school like behavior from 60 year old's acting like they are still in competition with Macho types. It's pathetic and a sad reflection of our depraved world. It's also why I am 100 percent CW.

For years (35) I hated contests and when they are on I am off. I never do a SSB and only a FEW of the CW QRP tests. It's almost like if you don't do contests, you shouldn't own a radio.

Regardless VK4FFAB says it all---it starts and ends with his remarks.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K3EY on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
AC9EJ sorry sir but you are way OUT of touch. If you did as you say you would be ignored and laughed at. Try it if you don't think so.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by W5TTW on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
What happened when you contacted the offenders to voice your displeasure? Did you bother trying or simply decide to bitch about it on the internet?
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by W1XYZ on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio is certainly not always an example of the good and neighborly discourse that still goes on in America. 80 have become a cesspool racism as emboldened hams take their grey-haired views (and a beer) to the airwaves. The general public agrees that the spectrum hams occupy should be better used for their cellphones and devices. The larger problem is the FCC: Read Wheeler's departing remarks which have been removed from the FCC website:http://blog.rfvenue.com/a-chairmans-farewell/
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by STARHOPPER on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
To be fair, there is extreme talk and garbage "news" on both sides of the aisle, not just the left.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by W4XKE on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, it's 2017. As much as many people would like to have life the way it was - things have certainly changed across society as a whole.

I know people who are appalled at the language youngsters use in everyday talk these days and have decided to home-school their kids. But there's still television and sports contests and contact with other kids who don't have pristine incentives at home.

It only takes a day or two for kids to discover who's parents aren't home from work for 3 more hours - and that's where the party is every afternoon. Past generations of kids grew up and a lot of them are hams now. I agree - I wish it wasn't so.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K8QV on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Like it or not, times change. Television networks can now show married couples sleeping in the same bed. They're allowed to use the word "pregnant" in their shows. Sometimes people even say "damn." Duck tails and flat tops aren't common anymore either.
 
K8DK --- Right-On Reply
by VE3CUI on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I agree 101% with K8DK's sentiment: forget the voice modes, & stick exclusively to CW…being reasonably proficient in code takes some initial discipline and a modicum of dedication, traits that are obviously lacking in these microphone grabbing units.

At the very worst, CW contacts are of the the "UR 599 HR GL & 73" variety, but at least they are not profane & crude --- it takes far more work to spell out each & every 4-letter word on CW, than these people are capable of even contemplating, never-mind executing.

You will NOT regret it.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KB2SMS on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Fortunately it's only on a couple of select frequencies.
But the FCC and ARRL does very little if anything about it. Most of us know the "Bad" frequencies so just stay away from them.
 
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by K1CJS on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
With all due respects, Just where have you been?

Not only is it a reflection of what is happening to society in general, it's been that way since the licensing standards have been lowered, and I'm not referring to the dropping of the CW tests, which had to happen sooner or later.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by NY7Q on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
rules an laws for broadcast are totally different for ham radio. Lots of idiots don't read enough to understand that fact. Each of the 3.840 and 7.255 operators should have their tickets revoked and fined for their reckless behavior. They just don't understand this is a hobby and they are destroying it.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K8QV on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Communication, whether conversational, personal, commercial, amateur or via entertainment venues is not like it was half a century ago. WE are not like we were half a century ago. Sadly, every age has had its self appointed arbiters of morality, etiquette and propriety longing for the rigidity of their past. Since nobody has ever been able to stem the tide of societal evolution, the best thing to do is lighten up a bit and don't take yourself and others so seriously.
 
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by AA4MB on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I'm certainly no prude in any way. That said, I generally distance myself from folks who use vulgarities in everyday language. This is yet another reason for which I've never regretted staying primarily a CW guy for 43 years. I forayed up into the 40 meter phone segment a couple of weeks ago and decided that I'd listen to a group of guys chewing the fat while fiddling around cleaning the shack. It didn't take long at all to hear expletives - and if any of the guys had been worked up at something or angry in general, I wouldn't have minded so much. As it was, it appeared strictly gratuitous, which is frequently indicative of no more than laziness in language.

I agree with most of you - it remains against Part 97 regulations and it's too bad that we have an FCC which no longer believes amateur radio is worthy of enforcement actions.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KI8DJ on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I bet 99 percent of these miscreants are Trump voters emboldened by his hate rallies.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KB3NFM on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I agree that times have indeed changed, but that is no EXCUSE to justify boorish, obscene, racist, sexist and very obscene language on any band or mode. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid. These louts should ask themselves if they would use such language and comments in front of their parents, children, and grandchildren or in face to face conversations with others. It’s easy to be an anonymous Ahole hiding behind a microphone with little fear of being caught or sanctioned.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by WX4O on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I heard this first in '75 on 3898.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KB2DHG on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Although I have encountered this type of behavior on the HF bands, I just turn the dial and just look for a decent QSO. It is bothering but this is not just a problem with Ham Radio. We all have become vulgar and rude. I miss the early days of respect and dignity...
 
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by W0LD on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Agree with the toxic tone these days on 40 and 75 meters. The way to change a culture is to start with myself as an individual. If each of us who are reading this thread were get on the air and practice a respectful culture, sooner or later it can shift a toxic culture. Decent behavior shines in the midst of a dark culture. Let's bring some hope, encouragement and positive light back to the air as we engage.
 
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by K9MHZ on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"I bet 99 percent of these miscreants are Trump voters emboldened by his hate rallies."

What an idiotic post.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K9MHZ on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"I agree 101% with K8DK's sentiment: forget the voice modes, & stick exclusively to CW…being reasonably proficient in code takes some initial discipline and a modicum of dedication, traits that are obviously lacking in these microphone grabbing units."

Totally agree. Grabbing a microphone is easy. Putting forth some effort tends to attract higher caliber people by default. Even on the VHF/UHF bands, the higher freqs and more esoteric modes weed out the losers.

Good people out there, so don't get discouraged.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by WY4J on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
These morons on 40 meters are the same bottom feeders that were on 14.213. The FCC shut that little group down with fines and license suspensions. Now they seemed to have moved to 40M. Best thing is to email Laura Smith the FCC's Enforcement General Council. Laura is a pretty tough cookie and has been able to put quite a few of these malcontents out of business.

You can email her at laura.smith@fcc.gov and she will even reply to thank you.

Believe or not, if enough of us complaint she will come down hard on them.

73,
Ed
WY4J
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by NN2X on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
What is fascinating about this subject, is that what band you are on has something with behavior!

For example on 17 meter band, "The gentlemen band" is generally quite civil, while some other bands (80 Meters), or portion of 40 meters has at least CB lingo to say the least..

This phenomena is called social cognitive behavior.

This effect is what explains certain regions of the world practicing a certain religion, traditions, or mentality, which is specific to a region.

I just find this very interesting that Social cognitive is finding itself on Ham bands...Just partitioned by frequency bands, rather the various regions of the world...Amazing!

 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by N2UJN on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
All of my conversations have been polite, professional and positive on 40m.

Once in a great while, I hear something unusual, but, move on. Plenty of other frequencies.

 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KC9CFM on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
KI8DJ, I voted for Trump and I prefer that you not try to lump me into a stereotype with those who are the subject of this thread. Hopefully you don't think that the Hillary voters all have halos above their heads - those would have fallen off when they were setting fires and breaking store windows during the protests.
 
Don't Mix... Reply
by VE3CUI on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
The old adage of, "Do NOT discuss sex, politics, or religion on the Ham bands" has certainly fallen upon deaf ears, even in THIS particular aspect of the hobby…

Trump-Shrump, Clinton-Shminton, who really cares…? Be your OWN person, and let others GUESS as to your true mental acumen (or acute LACK thereof), rather than confirming it for them.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by NY7Q on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
-yeah I did contact them, and they all called me a mutha f-cker and told me to get off the freq.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KF4HR on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
80M phone at night time probably wins the prize for the worse language on the bans. It seems some hams just enjoy pushing their limits of freedom of speech. I picture young kids "tuning in" to this mess for their first time and hearing this language. The negative influence this must be creating for the young, newer hams is depressing. Sure one can always tune to a different frequency but should that be necessary on the amateur bands? And how long will it be before new hams start thinking using foul language on the air, is the norm?

Something really should be done. I'm guessing the ARRL wouldn't want to spearhead this issue because it might negatively influence their membership numbers, but assuming the FCC nailed down certain language thresholds and would be willing prosecute violators, hams could put together a plan and get things cleaned up.



 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by VK4FFAB on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
park themselves on QRP calling frequencies with 500W and call non-stop for hours.

Gil.


HAHAHAHA Gil did someone touch you on the frequency like some dx pedophile? Guess what OM, there are no QRP calling frequencies and no frequencies that you own either for exclusive use. Even if you like to use and generally can those frequencies.

No one owns a frequency, calling or not and bandplans here at least are not legally binding, though we all choose to follow them because we are not animals and live in a society.

Bandplans differ all around the world also, so if a bix dx station takes over your calling frequency, its tough luck, his bandplan might permit it.

Following the bandplan for ones own country is all that matters and the answer to this question.

QRL de vk4ffab?
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KK4YDR on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Alt right dribble? Are you serious?

Here is part of the problem right here. Everyone has free speech as long as they agree with you. Idiot liberals abound.

Your comment about the Alt right has no bearing on this conversation and you did nothing but seek to further the great divide between people.

Sure the bands have gotten sloppy but you are out of line. if you want to comment on American affairs and politics then by all means use some respect. We are sick of your lunatic leftist dominance over every facet of humanity - you freaking control demons.
 
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by KK5JY on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I really hope prospective hams don't read the headlines on eHam. The list of articles often reads like seminar night at a support group. Could we start putting our best foot forward on the front page, and discuss our problems in the forums?

Are we running short on technical articles? If so, maybe those of us who are technical should write more short pieces for the front pages?
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by VK4FFAB on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Alt right dribble? Are you serious?

In my experience, and what i hear when listening to the bands, the rubbish conversations tends towards ultra conservative topics, homophobia, misogyny and racism.

This is not to say there are not alt left types espousing the virtues of Marx and Lennon, its just that I do not hear those conversations.

So, yes, it is what it is.
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K9CTB on February 16, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah. CW. All that, right?

CW nite for me:

OM: (describes his rig)
ME: (describes my rig) + Using a CW keyboard (copying manually)
OM: I DONT WORK MACHINES 73
ME: (no "dit-dit") - back to PSK31

It is what it is. Too many of us think we're just better than we actually are, and that makes us CERTAIN we're better than the next bohunk. Public school, I guess.
<laugh>

73,
K9CTB
 
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by K9CTB on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Forgot to mention ... the OM calls CQ immediately after he hangs up on me ... and I was there first! :D
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by W7ASA on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
It's been my experience that the fouler and louder the mouth, the weaker the person.



73 de Ray ..._ ._


I only have small problems on-the-air. Then again, I only have a small radio.

 
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by KQ4YA on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I spent my working life in newsrooms - where the language would make a Marine DI blush. So I'm not as bothered by that as some and, as others here have said, it's a reflection of the times.

What does bother me are the groups that are becoming more common - usually camped consistently on specific frequency - that intentionally interfere with each other, where music is played and the general idea seems to be to turn that frequency into an armed camp.

It does seem like the FCC should enforce the rules to some degree. I know they are understaffed and overworked. But when it comes to truly blatant breaking of the rules, I would hope that they could find the time and resources to remove these offenders from the ranks of amateur radio.
 
RE: Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by VK3BL on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Well, its not often I agree with VK4FFAB, but I must admit I do not enjoy hearing homophobia, racism, sexism and the rest on air.

I strongly believe that HAM radio should be free of politics; after all, half the reason ham radio is allowed in all but 2 countries is exactly because we shun politics.

Unfortunately, we are entering turbulent times, and I do hope we can do our best as a group to stick to one of the core tenets of HAM radio.

For anyone thinking my remarks here are based on the political situation in any country right now, they are not.

I think we can all agree that Western Society has lost its way, even if we can't agree on the correct solution.

Hatred towards others is however something I abhor and will not participate in.
 
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by KA2LIM on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
A direct result of relaxation in the testing system for entry into amateur radio. Flame away!
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by KA2LIM on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
A direct result of relaxation in the testing system for entry into amateur radio. Flame away!
 
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by K9MHZ on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"I would hope that they could find the time and resources to remove these offenders from the ranks of amateur radio."

Isn't going to happen. Making headlines are the tremendous costs we're facing for infrastructure and military equipment modernization. Committing a dime more to tracking down a bunch of socially inept losers on ham radio would go over like excrement in a punch bowl.

We're on our own.
 
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by WW6L on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
no, he is right
 
Shocked at What I Hear on HF Reply
by K8YZK on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I have seen comments about where is the ARRL. Well the ARRL can't control what other people do as they have NO power, and this kind of talk has been going on for at least as long as I have been licensed (50yrs), and it will not change anytime soon. I did see the comment about CW and 17 meters and I have to agree.

Ham radio is just a mirror of what is going on outside of hr. If you want to change it, then get on and make the kind of contacts you want.

Kurt
K8YZK
 
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by K9MHZ on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"no, he is right"

"Right" about what? The "I would hope part?" Except for the military, federal hiring has been stopped in case you haven't heard. Maybe since you had a KI6 2X3 call before your vanity, you weren't around during the Rawly years. Like him or hate him, he was THE one who wasn't afraid to be direct with us in stating that WE need to grow up and handle our own affairs. Hearing an F-bomb on 75 meters and then running to the FCC will accomplish nothing today.
 
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by WX4SNO on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Hear, hear! I wholeheartedly agree. If I answer a CQ and they start in talking dirty, I just leave them hanging on that frequency and move on without a word...very disrespectful and shows how immature these individuals are. World would be better off if folks respected one another and left the profanity at the door.
 
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by N0ETR on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
It's pretty bad, but seems to be the norm these days. People used to respect other people, and want the respect of other people. These days people don't care what your opinion is of them is and only want to satisfy there need to push other people around. If you want to be a HAM these days you have to willing to compromise and let the bullies be bullies. The FCC is just another government organization that is at the end of it's useful life span and needs to be put out of it's misery. Back in the day, when people had morals, the FCC could respond to complaints and do something about violators, but today there are so many violators there is no way the FCC can, or even wants to do anything. The phone portion of the HF bands is now a free for all, because Hams know the FCC is powerless. All the FCC will do is slap them on the wrist. Hams on the VHF/UHF bands tend to watch what they say a little more because the audience is a lot smaller and is comprised of local people. Sometimes shutting a violator down is as easy as shutting down a repeater for awhile. Threads like this one are making me want to find another hobby. All people do is complain about how crappy the bands are getting. Been a ham for 35 years but it might be time to get out.
 
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by K9MHZ on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"Rawly"

Ugh....proofread. That <enter> key happens too quickly.

Riley, Riley, Riley.

OK.
 
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by N9AOP on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is termed to be offensive is also in the same eye. To some individuals, free speech is only OK when it supplies their views. 80 & 40M are very wide bands and there seem to be only a few spots that are inhabited by individuals that are offensive to you. Why go there?
Art
 
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by N1FM on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Laura was reassigned from June 2014 until June 2016, so Laura didn't do anything about 14.313 and nothing has been done about 7.200. No fines collected; no one lost privileges, and people left 20 meters because sunspots are unfavorable - and that's the only reason. At Pacificon last October, Laura said the "OOs would be the first line of defense in amateur enforcement." A letter isn't enforcement, and neither the FCC, nor the ARRL, nor the Tooth Fairy, will be coming to rescue ham radio from people using harsh language.
 
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by K8QV on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Even with our entire history showing the futility of it, people still devote much of their energy to worrying about what other people do. I guess it's in our DNA.
 
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by KT4EP on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I've heard it, too. Many of the guys give their call although sometimes in a quick and slurred way. Where are the OO's? Meanwhile, I'll stay with JT-65.
 
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by AH6FC on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunately most is a reflection of society as a whole.

Big government and it's "intervention" is typically a bad thing. However, prosecution of these bad operators might send the right message....but maybe not.

Agree, CW takes you away from it all...except for the intentional QRM operators.

Keep politics out of it. Those that spew their political hatred (sorry for the adjective) are more often the hypocrites and trouble makers.

Again, too much a reflection of society as a whole. Very unfortunate.

No, I'm not a prude...I can take on the "best" locker room boys, but there is a time and place...the ham bands are not the place.

See how many flame throwers I get now :)

73 to all
 
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by KI7AAR on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Rules are rules. Follow them or loose your license.

I personally don't want to hear profanity, politics or religion on the air. Nothing against religion but, there are so many beliefs that we should not try to impose ours upon others. I'd never make it as an evangelist. :)
 
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by KI7AAR on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Rules are rules. Follow them or loose your license.

I personally don't want to hear profanity, politics or religion on the air. Nothing against religion but, there are so many beliefs that we should not try to impose ours upon others. I'd never make it as an evangelist. :)
 
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by N1RDS on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
A perfect example of the stupidity on the air. Maybe you missed the violent protesters demonstrating violently as if it's their right.
 
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by K5TED on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Those people are not on ham radio. They are on social media, where all the organization for Berkeley burnings, blocking ambulance runs, attacking the elderly or disabled, and open calls for assassinations happen. This is 2017.
 
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by K6CRC on February 17, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC has rules and regs.
The ARRL is dedicated to making Ham radio fun and safe.
So, why isn't either group doing their JOBS here?
ARRL in not an enforcement agency, but IS a LOBBYING agency.
Stop spending members money on 'Spectrum Defence" -- UHF bands that few if any Hams are using.
Spend the money and lobby/shame/sue the FCC to do their job policing the airwaves.
 
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by NL7AA on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
CW was a pain but seperated the motivated from the CBers. Good luck with with FCC now that Trump has destroied it?

73's
 
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by N1FM on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Obama and Wheeler ruined the reputation of the agency by allowing a supposedly independent agency to become an arm of the administration, and by allowing the Enforcement Bureau to harass entities by pursuing forfeitures in gray areas of the law, overreach, misleading statements, and ignoring inconvenient facts that interfered with their attention-grabbing headlines.

Also, almost half of the field offices were closed and half the staff were let go in the EB, in the Obama/Wheeler era, because Washington decided to focus on legal areas outside their purview, like the Internet and privacy.

I'm happy FCC Chairman Pai's reversing some of the waste, fraud, and abuse that the FCC became infamous for, under Obama and Wheeler, and their cronies, and the best part is, Chairman Pai says he's not done yet!

+ An FCC ‘Abuse Of Process Ends Now’ Read more at: http://rbr.com/pai-consent-decree0209/

+ Ajit Pai cuts subsidies to 9 providers over allegations of fraud. Read more at: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-333992A5.docx

+ Ajit Pai says FCC enforcement has 'gone off the rails.' Read more at: https://prodnet.www.neca.org/publicationsdocs/wwpdf/12315pai.pdf



 
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by AC7CW on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Any ham can go to whitehouse.gov and put in a suggestion. Our ham hobby was a technical talent pool during the Cold War so the "free speech movement" was used to destroy it, and still is. Maybe if the disgusting pieces of garbage that befoul the airways can be punished enough to get them gone we will feel better about introducing young people to the hobby again, no?
 
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by N9LCD on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Why complain about what you hear on HF?

You probably go to the movies (or use dvds) to WATCH & LISTEN to the same crap or worst!!!
 
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by WH6WJ on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
One thing we also need to consider is that anyone can buy a radio licensed or not especially with the influx of cheaply priced radios. We can blame the FCC for laxed enforcement, licensing requirements, etc. It does not matter. The FCC seems to be paying more attention in areas that will bring in big money.
 
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by KD8AMR on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I filed a complaint with the FCC. IF all of us do the same, it may get heard. I'm a retired firefighter, so I'm used to and use profanity. But the stuff that is heard on 7.200 and 14.300 is obscene, racist and rude. It won't happen, but I wish them all a $25k fine.
 
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by K1VCT on February 18, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I have not been a Ham for a long time, five months with a General ticket.

But, before that, I'd listen to the rag chewers, and contesters, the CW... all the time on my R75, and Lowe HF-150. I've been involved in SWL for 50+ years and still make my living working with radio - UHF low power data and telemetry.

When I finally decided to get my amateur license, INTEGRITY was stressed as much as the administrative and technical aspects of operation.

Working mostly 40 meters, I hear contesters right on 7300kHz, bleeding over badly 4kHz in both directions. Clearly that is uncalled for operation. Also been chewed out high and low by more than one contester who was calling plain old CQ without the "CQ Contest". Laced with profanity, I was told to get off the air and quit wasting their time. Huh?

I don't blame the contesters, except for operating out of band. I do think a bit less of the contest organizers, for holding a competition that is so broad in scope that it effectively ties up the HF spectrum for a weekend, sometimes a 3day weekend.

The hootin' and hollerin' on 7200kHz has mostly abated. Since my antenna wont cover 75/80 meters, I don't know whats happening on 3840kHz. If those frequencies are occupied by the inconsiderate operators, then its easy to spin the dial past the mess. That is, unless I catch Captain "Yowwwzaa" Dave in the middle of one of his liver destruction exercises. I might actually listen to his stuff, annoying as it is, somehow I find it strangely entertaining, for maybe 5 or 10 minutes!

And maybe my pet peeve....is the use of QSL as a term.

"You gonna be at the club meeting tonight, QSL?"
"Yup, QSL?"
"Coffees on me, QSL?"
"QSL on that QSL, QSL?"
and into QSL oblivion ad nauseum....

Ok, rant mode off. Back to WTWW tonite!
 
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by KC2NZW on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I knew this would happen once they eliminated the code requirement from the test, I just new it, that's one of the reasons why I haven't been on the air in years!!
 
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by W3DCB on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Please do not take offense... However, have you been watching the news lately? Have you not seen the liberal spoiled snowflakes melting down in the streets of Berkeley burning cars; destroying property; throwing bricks and rocks at peace officers; screaming the most vile garbage from their mouths as they have their children in tow? (By the way a study performed in the UK by Pugh demonstrates that 82% of these snowflakes are still living in their parents homes; better than 60% are totally unemployed.) What we hear on the ham bands is mild compared to what is going on in society as a whole which reflects a total breakdown of any civility, almost all from the left which is where it always starts. Every revolution and attempted coup in modern times except for the American Revolution has come from the left be at the National Socialists or Communists. We just elected a president and the losing side has decided to mount a campaign of "resistance." Of course, what they are really doing is attempting a coup against the new government. I understand that this is not a political forum. However the reality is inescapable.
 
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by WZ7U on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
This is silly. The hand wringing and lamenting of a past that never truly existed except in one's mind is ridiculous. If your tender sensibilities are so easily bruised perhaps it's time you hang it up and take up knitting. You are exposed to all this and more every time you turn on your television and you don't complain about it. No, you pay $100 or more a month for it and lap it up. Of course the fault can be found in the guy on the opposite side of your political fence so let's demonize them over it.

The funniest part is that you expect the government to make it all better for you. The same government that has you hoodwinked into believing they alone can solve your non existent problems for you. The same kabal of liars and charlatans that have run this once great republic into the dungheap of relevance are the same ones that you want to do all your dirty work for you because you are too lazy to call out the scofflaws yourself.

If the things you hear on the air offend you so much, either spin the knob or call the perpetrators out for their actions. If just half of you that continually whine about this subject stood up for yourselves to these self appointed tough guys behind microphones there would be twice as many of you than of them. As it stands now most of you sound like old men yelling at clouds. Go learn Morse, go find a different mode to try, go to the WARC bands, just stop listening to the mealymouthed mental masturbators that irritate you so much. Big daddy fcc isn't going to help you put your big boy pants on; you have to do that for yourselves. Grow up for (readcted)s sake.
 
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by WZ7U on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
(redacted)s sake. Damn autocorrect.
 
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by VK4FFAB on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"However the reality is inescapable"

Pretty sure your reality is closer to fantasy in this alternate fact world we now live in.
 
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by SWMAN on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
NZW. Wow. I can't believe that some people still blame it on the no coders.
 
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by K5NOK on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
All you who blame no-coders there is hope.
Read the eHam news section.
Louie the cat can send Morse code!!!
 
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by SHORTWIRE on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
The Degenerate Left is currently the worlds biggest problem, and that has been evident for about 60 years!. The problem accelerated after the invention of broadband and smartarsephones…

The world media, including (anti)social media, is working as a catalyst or amplifier for this. humans brainwashing each other all their waking hours. The internet has not been kind to the marginally evolved simians populating earth, and every conflict is amplified by it..

Humans alone can be quite intelligent and wise.
Humans in large groups become dumb, panicky animals.

Abolishing the internet would solve a lot, but will not be popular, i think.

Solution not found…
 
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by SHORTWIRE on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
What I forgot to say is:

Global communication = The BABBLEFISH
 
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by W4KVW on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Just more Proof of the virtually Toothless Lion aka:FCC & it will only get worse.We can't regulate ourselves when you have some who could care less about others opinions or concerns & a confrontation with many of these pathetic clowns would result in someone being seriously injured or dead.That Rogue Repeater in California is a disgrace to anything relating to Amateur Radio as are the majority of the low life individuals who misue it & the FCC is fully aware of what goes on there daily & by whom but again they are no longer feared with most all of their teeth sitting in a jar in a locked up office somewhere.I'd suggest using that Big Knob or changing bands completely because there are low life bottom feeders in every hobby or activity.If that don't work I'd suggest another hobby where I'm sure you will find more of the same unless that hobby keeps you at home alone & you can do it all by yourself.

Clayton
W4KVW
 
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by K4ZMV on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Don't think I've ever participated in one of these babble-fests, but I do want to add my 2 cents for whatever it is not worth. First, this is not the proper forum for political views. I have mine and you have yours. I'll keep mine to myself and it would be appreciated if you would do the same. Second, I've been a ham for a long time; since I was 14 and I am nearly 73 now. My opinion is that the hobby has in many ways improved, but we are not attracting enough young people. Too many other technical distractions for them. Third, trash talk on the bands has ALWAYS been there, but you have to look for it. Radio manufacturers make knobs to change the frequency. Use them. I chase DX, eve drop on CW ragchews, and homebrew. I don't encounter much bad behavior except in the rare one pileups. In that case, I use the aforementioned knob. Lastly, for goodness sakes, lighten up. Do the things in this hobby that you enjoy and avoid the things that raise your blood pressure. With all that said, 73 and have a nice day.
 
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by WB2NGX on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC just doesn't care anymore.
 
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by ONAIR on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC just hasn't got the funding. With the nation now around $20 TRILLION dollars in debt, it's doubtful that they will be getting any more funds in the foreseeable future.
 
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by VK4FFAB on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"but we are not attracting enough young people"

Just about all my radio friends are in their 30's and 40's, with a couple in their late 20's. We all mostly CW, homebrew and do a fair bit of portable. But you will not find us ever in a round table, net or any of the other typical old man radio activities.

For us, radio is a doing thing and has to have a point. We go portable to do SOTA, WWFF or IOTA, we contest, chase dx, collect numbers and if we want to discuss things, we use other more reliable methods of communication, like social media and the phone.

Its nothing more than a generational thing. When i first got on the radio I was expecting great discussions on technical matters and how to's, wonderful elmers and all the kinds of things that we get told used to happen. But mostly what i found was my parents, old people doing the kinds of things old people do like having a routine.

I was going to toss it all in until i met a few younger cats who actually liked to do stuff. Not just sit about in their "Shack" and talk about nothing, or worse still, talk about doing stuff and never doing anything.

So i got into doing radio and have never looked back. And that is the key here, you need to show the younger people the aspects of the hobby that are relevant to them. Not rag chews and round tables that will send them to sleep with their monotony and boredom. But rather that radio can be an activity that they can actively seek to do.

 
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by K9MHZ on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"Don't think I've ever participated in one of these babble-fests, but I do want to add my 2 cents for whatever it is not worth."

Well, if you think this is beneath you, then maybe you should take your own advice and click the mouse on something else. Sheesh, how condescending.
 
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by VE7EA on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
I have lived and operated CW-SSB-FM now in 6 countries. The crap on 40 and 80M SSB and AM (mostly the former) originates from the USA only. I have never heard such garbage generated from hams in the other 5 countries I have lived in. It is a very sad indictment of amateur radio in the USA.

The only and most effective way I know of dealing with such is to simply ignore them. These asshats, nutjobs and mentally challenged need an audience. They would soon enough disappear into the woodwork if we all just ignored them.
 
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by VE7VJ on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Wish I hadn't tossed the old QST magazines I had when I moved. I remember reading several letters complaining about the poor operators and shameful practices on the air. These were early 1950s issues. WAY before no code and apparently back when you had to mine and refine the ore for your radio cabinets and melt sand for glass to make your own tubes.

There have always been idiots and there always will be idiots.

Make complaints to the authorities and continue to make complaints. Maybe with enough they will take action.

The sad part is that some of these lousy ops are rewarded with a contact during contests or DXpeditions. They should be ignored.
 
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by W7ASA on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunately, the VE is ( to my nations' shame ) quite correct: this has its' roots in the nose dive in manners of the USA. Not all of the USA nor all of us as individuals, mind you, but we live in a lunatic asylum where we are told that shouting obscenities is 'normal in the 21st century'. It's in the streets recently also, with women, men and those somewhere in between dressing as vaginas and shouting obscenities for some rather fuzzy reasons. It did sound like much of 80 meters.

I'll remind the reader that 'common' behavior is not necessarily good behavior. In some parts of the world it's normal to love your neighbor and in other parts, it's normal to eat your neighbor. Which behavior is good, I leave to you to decide.


73 de Ray ..._ ._

 
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by N4JTE on February 19, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
First of all welcome back, actually things are not as bad from my perspective over 40 years.
Nothing will ever be addressed by fcc or anyone else so sorry but I just laugh at the crazies on there that got their beer supply probably paid for by the rest of us!
If you are that perplexed than jump in tell them your thoughts!! Finally,, this ain't no article and mis posted!
My Thought, hi
Bob
 
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by W4AMP on February 20, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Highly ironic that hams from the province of British Columbia would ever complain about language they hear on HF.
 
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by K9MHZ on February 20, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe, but they're right.

One thing though, and it's just a case of someone's perceptions being their reality....overseas, people are definitely not as mean to each other as they are here. However, that doesn't mean they're altogether nicer, either. Some of the most stoic and unengaging people that I come across are people in other countries. The concepts of generosity and and selflessness are not in their ways of thinking at all. Many are very selfish and boorish, but they just hide it better than we do. They have no sense of optimism, and live very existential lives.

For all of our faults, and there are many, it's not that great in other parts of the world, either.
 
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by N1FM on February 20, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
VE7VJ, I agree 100%. VE7EA, your BIO says you're active on CW, JT65, JT9, PSK31, or Olivia, or whichever HF band happens to be open and that you also check regional 80, 40 and 2M Canadian nets.

Since you're located along the Juan de Fuca, please tune to 14.313 USB and point your antenna toward Saanich, British Columbia on any given day between 2 PM local and your local sunset. This will add greatly to your already impressive body of knowledge.

73 and, thank you!
 
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by K9MHZ on February 20, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
W4AMP....nice shack, BTW.
 
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by NQ3C on February 20, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
..... I look at it as the evolution of CB into Ham Radio..... so I decided to chuck the mike and stick to CW.... works for me.... your mileage may vary...c..
 
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by N0EKO on February 20, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
WY4J, thank you for the information.

73,
Jim
N0EKO
 
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by KE4ZHN on February 21, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Over 20 years ago when I first got licensed, there were idiots on the bands cussing and jamming. The same morons are still there...jamming and cussing. I never listen to them. I tune past when I'm looking for a QSO and hear some of it and just keep spinning the VFO.

Sitting there listening to it and getting all mad about it is stupid. Why? The only one you hurt getting all pissed off over it is yourself. Why rattle your nerves over what some drunken fool does on the radio? It's only on a couple spots on the HF bands and not even worth worrying about. We all know the FCC is a paper tiger and so do they. That's why they do what they do.

The more people who give them attention, the more they will do what they do. You can complain to the FCC but it will fall on deaf ears. Just grow a pair and ignore it. There are too many places on HF where that crap isn't going on to worry about a handful of morons.
 
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by W3TTT on February 21, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
...Sheesh, how condescending...

Right back at'cha.

But I like "condescending". It goes with the oh, so hip, condescending, ironic, up your nose attitude - cool.

Most of my sending is condesending.

smiley face ==> :)

 
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by W6SWO on February 21, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Then again, the Amateur Service is SUPPOSED to be self policing. An old CO of mine used to say, "Be careful for what you ask for, you might get it!"
 
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by WD4ED on February 21, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Look at most of these comments and you see why the bands are degrading. I took a break for a while and noticed the same thing when I got back into it. When I mentioned it I got the same types of replies that I hear right here. Mostly finger pointing at the other guy, dismissive statements that it's my imagination and many outright sticking their heads in the sand. And the worst is the "Spin the knob" bunch. Vulgar or not, you are not supposed to be "Offensive" on the air. "Spinning the knob" is not only sticking your head in the sand, but essentially acknowledges the activity and condoning it. Thus probably indicates you are part of the problem.

73's,

Ed
 
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by VE3TMT on February 22, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
KB3NFM
I agree that times have indeed changed, but that is no EXCUSE to justify boorish, obscene, racist, sexist and very obscene language on any band or mode. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid. These louts should ask themselves if they would use such language and comments in front of their parents, children, and grandchildren or in face to face conversations with others. It’s easy to be an anonymous Ahole hiding behind a microphone with little fear of being caught or sanctioned.


I could not have said it better. I was in the shack the other day working on some other computer related issues and tuned the radio up on a QSO in the 40m SSB portion. WOW! My first thought was to jump in and voice my disgust, but what will that get? It will just get them going. "Leave it alone and it'll go away" is obviously not working either.

The idea of putting up a yagi for 17m is more appealing every day.
 
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by VE3TMT on February 22, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah. CW. All that, right?

CW nite for me:

OM: (describes his rig)
ME: (describes my rig) + Using a CW keyboard (copying manually)
OM: I DONT WORK MACHINES 73
ME: (no "dit-dit") - back to PSK31

It is what it is. Too many of us think we're just better than we actually are, and that makes us CERTAIN we're better than the next bohunk. Public school, I guess.
<laugh>

73,
K9CTB


HAHA, some of the stations I've heard should not be on CW period, their sending is that bad.
 
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by K9MHZ on February 22, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
"HAHA, some of the stations I've heard should not be on CW period, their sending is that bad."

Yeah, but at least they're trying. Watch what you complain about because the alternative isn't good.
 
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by KE4ZHN on February 22, 2017 Mail this to a friend!
WD4ED-Ed For the record sir, I don't condone what goes on on those frequencies. However, after watching the FCC send numerous letters and fine several notorious individuals with no results over the course of 20 years, it wakes you up to the fact that carping and whining about it like you do does no good whatsoever. Feel free to continue to whine about those of us who ignore it Ed, I have better things to do. Like enjoying the places on the bands where the idiots don't hang around. Have a nice day.
 
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