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Digital Modes Activities & Granularity

Tom Wright (NN2X) on February 12, 2018
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Has anyone noticed the digital modes are very active?

I am willing to bet that there are far more Ham operators using digital modes than lets say SSB. And I think I know why.

Today, I noted the band conditions were awful. I look at the QRZ Page and all red...

The sunspots were zero and the K FACTOR was through the roof. Normally when these conditions exist you would simply turn off the ham set and get a cup a tea (Or beer, what every you are into)...However, with the digital modes you can work DX like the conditions are great...

This brings me the point...

If for anything the digital modes added more granularity. (More dynamic range for operating DX)

Here is what I mean by that:

Band dead - Use FT8 / JT65 / JT9 (They can detect signals about -24dB below noise floor!)

Band slightly better, try Olivia, -13dB, below the noise floor...and can have a rag chew (QSO)

And if the bands are slightly better, BPSK 31, and RTTY, and of course CW...

When the bands are fair SSB all the way, and real good 10 Meters (My favorite)

And yes there are many more digital modes, which only adds to the fine granularity, especially the magic mode Olivia!

The above is not exact science, but just an overall picture..

In summary, the dynamic range of enjoying DX has increased immensely with digital modes...

Yes, some of the modes, like FT8, seems like auto pilot, but still something!

I am willing bet to advances in ham radio will be through the software enhancements, maybe someday, FT8 will have the ability to have a QSO...(Or some flavor but with the same ability to decode at -24dB)

Anyway...Great times, in Ham Radio!

NN2X

C U on the bands!

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Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by VK3LU on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Absolutely spot on, Tom
The digital modes are another branch of the great tree that is Amateur Radio.
Long may it grow!

Nev.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"I am willing to bet that there are far more Ham operators using digital modes than lets say SSB. And I think I know why"......

......because the effect of fools in large numbers should never be underestimated - they think ham radio should be no different from using your mobile phone or sending an email/text.

They seem intent on making it no different & so by definition it is no longer ham radio.....

There you go, sorted.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by N4UM on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Nobody makes you use digital modes. If you don't care for them...do something else. Problem solved.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by W5DXP on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I remember when a lot of hams objected to those new-fangled single sidewinder signals that sounded like Donald Duck.:) Now we have 20 FT8 QSOs stuffed into one USB "channel".
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by WC4R on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I started using FT8 a couple months ago. Motivated mainly by poor band conditions but also curiosity. I love this mode. The 'auto-pilot' style is also very cool. Sure my DX count went way up. I still prefer SSB to ragchew; keyboard is too cold. I'm sure I will revert back to SSB when the propagation is good again. I'm glad for both/all the modes.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"Nobody makes you use digital modes. If you don't care for them...do something else. Problem solved."


No, you're getting this the wrong way round......I'm quite happy thank you - happy with the quintessential spirit of ham radio with it's natural element of unpredictability.

It's clearly others that are not happy it isn't a guaranteed 24/7 on tap digital communication platform the same as you get with an IPad/Smartphone - that is YOUR problem, nobody is forcing you to use ham radio.

If YOU don't care for it you clear off and do something more "Apple" like - "problem solved."
You've already got your social media facilities, all tailor made for the needs of the instant gratification mindset, how many more do you want ?

Geez...........

 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"I remember when a lot of hams objected to those new-fangled single sidewinder signals that sounded like Donald Duck.:) Now we have 20 FT8 QSOs stuffed into one USB "channel"."

........and coming soon GT9 with 200+ automated QSO's in 3 mins, the world worked in 20mins (probably while you are out at the mall).

Then what are you going to do........

 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NY7Q on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
AMATEUR COMPUTER. That's what is happening to HAM RADIO. I STATED IN 1992 TO A CLUB MEMBER THEN, THAT IT WOULD END UP THIS WAY. I see it as not good for AMATEUR RADIO. radio is radio, computers are computers. two different situations.
I am a radioman, not a computer geek. I own 4 hot rod computers that do different things for me, but it's just NOT radio
You new guys see it different, and that's okay, but let's be intelligent about all this.
You guys took CW away, you put technicians and very new people in charge at clubs, gatherings, picnics, with absolutely no experience nor knowledge of what radio is. WHAT IT IS, IS NOT COMPUTER.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by AC7CW on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Article is spot on!

I'm setting up to run 5 watts to a magloop on the patio of my apartment. What are the chances I'll be a "real ham" and operate a voice mode or even CW in the current conditions? Or pretend that computers aren't part of radio? Given the choice to make no contacts and spend $ on postage if I do, or get on the air, make contacts, have a life, have a hobby, I think that digital modes will be the way to go :)
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by K7ZOV on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
So let's review how hams have thought over the decades.
1) Spark Gap hams hated CW and said they were not real hams since they did not have a spark
2) Later CW hams said real hams don't us AM. AM is cutting into their radio space and is unreliable.
3) Then it was real hams should not sound like Donald Duck when SSB became real... They are also not real hams since they were not using CW.
4) Then we have 2 meters... AM is real 2 meter and FM will kill the band with the wide signals. (I remember that one ....)
5) Now it is real hams don't use digital... Re-run yet again that real hams do CW.

I am 70 yrs old. Got my novice is 1964. I have heard all this BS and much more for 54 yrs. It never ends does it?

Ham radio is many things to many people, the the self righteous and the purest can't seem to deal with the reality of progress. Not sure why.

Me I am into QRP to QRO. I am into seriously well tuned antennas to a hunk of wire in a tree with a 9:1 unun and tuner. I am into some CW (never really mastered it but keep trying), SSB, FM, AM, Satellite, BPSK, Olivia, JT-65, JT-9, FT-8. I am into VHF/UHF FM and SSB. Some RTTY also.

My list is exactly like Tom's with one exception. When even FT-8 is marginal I will turn on my old Kenwood TS-711 and TS-811 and connect them to my eggbeater antenna and try to snag a bird or two (Satellite for those who don't know what bird is.)

REAL HAMS are the ones that are open minded and will do whatever it takes to keep the bands alive and well and make contacts. Real hams learn new things and sharpen their skills. The rest are just elitist that need to get a life and learn to get out of their comfort zone and try some real hamming for once and stop putting others down, just because they limit their lives in the ham world and others don't does not give them the right to put others down.

Time to stop get off my soap box now and put my flame suit on. I am sure I offended some and others (the real hams) are shaking their heads with agreement with Tom and me. Do I care what the negative hams think? Hell no. If you don't fit in their limited world you should not be a ham, in their limited minds.. But they are free to fuss and fume and make fools out of themselves as they try to justify why that like being limited in their thinking and ham radio experiences.... Just don't try put the rest of us real hams down, it won't works. It has been this way all the way back to the spark gap verses CW days and unfortunately it will be the same 100 yrs from now.

73 and happy hamming
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by K1FPV on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I prefer "ORIGINAL DIGITAL" namely CW !

Bill
K1FPV
"54 years & counting!"
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by VK3LU on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
K7ZOV, I second that.
I have been a Ham since 1958 and have been hearing the same old elitist negativity since then. It is sad to hear the vitriol that still occurs from a very small minority.

Nev
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by K7ZOV on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
100% true, CW was the original digital... Also the original social network was ham radio... Original texting was sending and receiving CW....
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KF4HR on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
FT8 is definitely making it easier to achieve WAS, WAC, DXCC, etc, although the easier these goals are to achieve, the less meaningful the Awards seem.

I made two FT8 QSO's just to see what the hype was all about. That was more than enough FT8 for me. But each to their own.

I have no doubt some smart programmer will eventually fully automate FT8 so all you'll have to do is check your PC every so often to see how much DX you (uh... I mean your PC) worked.
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by BURGERLOVER65 on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I think the heavy use of FT8 represents mob mentality which shouldn't exist in our hobby. Less than ten kilohertz away are unused modes with class and few participants. America can't survive without class and individuality. We are degenerating as a society so laws, borders, and our traditions won't matter because they won't save us from ourselves.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NY7Q on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
CW IS NOT DIGITAL. NEVER HAS BEEN.
IT NEVER INVOLVES A COMPUTER.
I GOT INTO HAM RADIO IN 1953, BUILT MANY MANY TRANSCIEVERS AND OTHER STUFF. SHIFTED TO SSB IN 1992 FROM CW. TRIED OUT DIGITAL FOR SEVERAL, YEARS FOUND IT BORING AND NOT TECHNICAL.
LAZY OPERATORS DO DIGITAL, USE NO BRAIN POWER AT ALL.
SURE, YOU SPEND HOURS IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER, WHICH IS A RESULTANT OF BEING LAZY.
I USE COMPUTERS WITHIN MY BUSINESS AND TO FOLLOW THE MARKETS WORLD WIDE, BUT HAVE NO DESIRE TO MIX WITH HAM RADIO.
THE BANDS ARE MESSY WITH DIGITAL SIGNALS ON THEM..WIDE AND NASTY. VOICE OR CW IS THE WAY TO GO.
I AM NOT AGAINST DOING DIGITAL AS LONG AS IT IS ON UHF/VHF WHERE IT BELONGS. OH YEAH, I DO RTTY THATS WHY I USE CAPS. ITS A 63 YEAR HABIT.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KW6LA on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
CW IS NOT DIGITAL. NEVER HAS BEEN ? What ?? ON - OFF - SPACE …….

The rest I agree with . Digital com is like live chat when buying something on the internet. Good for ops that don’t like CW because it’s a
Quiet mode. keeps the XYL happy !
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

K7ZOV says ".....I am sure I offended some....."


Wouldn't worry about that, firstly one would have to take you seriously......with the irony so far off the scale you're actually quite funny.....
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 12, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"CW IS NOT DIGITAL. NEVER HAS BEEN ? What ?? ON - OFF - SPACE ……."

Try then digitally replicating the analogue CW fingerprint of an analogue human body sending CW on an analogue mechanical key.........
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KD2OTP on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"CW IS NOT DIGITAL"

Explain to me how you use a code key without using your digits?
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NN2X on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I like CW as well, whether you consider this digital or not

The point being, CW is just the part bouquet of the granularity options when desiring to work DX..

If the bands are very poor, JT 65 / JT 9, or FT8...

If bands are better Olivia

If conditions are slightly better CW, BPSK31, RTTY..

And if conditions are really good SSB!

I would really be upset, as a Ham operator if I could not work DX, even when I knew CW. Today all we have to do is fire up Olivia, or FT8 and work the world...

The advancements in Ham radio today, are mostly in Software define radio, and the digital modes...

Embrace these advancements...! All good!

NN2X , Tom
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KG4RUL on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
As my protest to Digital Modes, I am building the Pine Board Project, vacuum tube, 80/40M, AM transmitter that appeared in QST. Now to find a vacuum tube, receiver design to go with it.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by K0UA on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
REAL HAMS are the ones that are open minded and will do whatever it takes to keep the bands alive and well and make contacts. Real hams learn new things and sharpen their skills. The rest are just elitist that need to get a life and learn to get out of their comfort zone and try some real hamming for once and stop putting others down, just because they limit their lives in the ham world and others don't does not give them the right to put others down.


Amen brother Amen.
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KK6HUY on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Got into this by being interested in emergency comms, which requires you get a signal through under any conditions no matter what.

I will take any technology or innovation that can achieve that end.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"I would really be upset, as a Ham operator if I could not work DX....."


Like big spoiled babies getting upset when they don't get what they somehow think they are entitled to.

Sorry the bands are closed today, no DX for you...."but I want, waaaaah, waaaaah, waaaaaaah, I want, I want, waaaah, waaaah"........

Geez'z......
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"REAL HAMS are the ones that are open minded and will do whatever it takes to keep the bands alive and well and make contacts. Real hams learn new things and sharpen their skills. The rest are just elitist that need to get a life and learn to get out of their comfort zone and try some real hamming for once and stop putting others down, just because they limit their lives in the ham world and others don't does not give them the right to put others down."


"Amen brother Amen."


the Irony brother the Irony
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by WB4M on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
How could anyone NOT know the digital modes are more active? Every evening 40/80/160 are jammed with FT8 stations.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NN2X on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
This is for Russel (GM1FLQ)

I looked at DX Watch, and DX Heat, it indicates you have never used digital mode..(Including CW Mode)

I am not saying you have or have not, but I would be fairly rich to speak about something you never had tried before.

I also read your BIO...Very colorful and highly descriptive language.

For those you want to read how Russel thinks of himself, please look at the below URL

https://www.qrzcq.com/call/GM1FLQ


C U on the bands, (Digital, SSB, and strings with cans!)

Cheers

73
NN2X, Tom

 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by K0UA on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah that about sums him up, other than that sheep thing.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by N9AOP on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
These modes do offer the chance of a DX contact to a station that does not have a 90 foot tower; stacked yagis and an over the limit amplifier.
Art
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by K5TED on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I have at least a couple of Antarctica contacts with a magloop on digi modes. Not unhappy about them. Overall, though, using FT8 for an example, I don't see more stations receiving me in any more exotic places than I have already logged with pure sweat and persistence during pileups or worldwide contests.
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by W6UV on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"The sunspots were zero and the K FACTOR was through the roof. Normally when these conditions exist you would simply turn off the ham set and get a cup a tea (Or beer, what every you are into)...However, with the digital modes you can work DX like the conditions are great..."

Maybe, just maybe, the bands appear to be dead because everyone else thinks they are and no one is initiating contacts!

Sure, there's lots of FT8 activity, but not all of it consists of -24 dB signals. Far from it--I see a lot of strong signals too, and that means that other modes, even SSB would propagate as well.

So the next time you think a band is dead, try a CQ call. You may be pleasantly surprised.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by W4KVW on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Given a choice of working a Digital Mode or None I'll take None.My computer is NOT making a single contact & calling itself me period.Not of any interest even if it is all that is ever there.My choice & I'm sticking with it.Don't care how Rare the contact may or may not be my computer does not have a license & it is not studying for one.

Clayton
W4KVW
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by AF5CC on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I think one reason why people are running FT8 even when the band is open is that they know where to listen to find other stations-there is a specific frequency where everyone will be.

6 meters and above all have SSB calling frequencies and national simplex frequencies. You know what frequency to start on to look for others. 10 meter FM even has a calling frequency. Maybe we need SSB and CW calling frequencies for the HF bands, a specific frequency that people will monitor and call CQ on.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"I also read your BIO...Very colorful and highly descriptive language.

For those you want to read how Russel thinks of himself, please look at the below URL"


Hey, that's great if you want to be a party to propagating what is very clearly fraudulently entered details via the fraudulent use of my callsign.

You charge on......

Rather than be clever you have just given people an insight into you, but I do realise that on here you will have some easily led groupies/lackeys......
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 13, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

K0UA: "Yeah that about sums him up, other than that sheep thing."


Yep, just as I said, the easily led lackeys, heads all nodding in unison......
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"Sure, there's lots of FT8 activity, but not all of it consists of -24 dB signals. Far from it--I see a lot of strong signals too, and that means that other modes, even SSB would propagate as well.

So the next time you think a band is dead, try a CQ call. You may be pleasantly surprised."


No, best to keep them where they are, last thing you want is their kind of mentality on the other parts of the bands.....
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"These modes do offer the chance of a DX contact to a station that does not have a 90 foot tower; stacked yagis and an over the limit amplifier.
Art"


Alternatively there is the seemingly out of fashion patience, persistence and a little bit of effort.

I do understand it could be a difficult concept for the "entitled"......
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by BURGERLOVER65 on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
FT8 reminds me of the Arnold Schwartzeneggar movie where he was racing to save his life while mobs of drunked people were cheering him on. FT8 operators are the mobs of drunken people.
 
Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by VE3CUI on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
All these digitals modes merely re-enforce society's need these days for instant gratification, & "…getting things the easy way"…

Don't have the wherewithal for a 160-meter phased array…? Don't worry about it! Here, go digital!

Can't wait more than a day, or two, to "earn" your DXCC…? No problem! Here, go digital!

Are you totally clueless as to the fine art of social interaction, in particular, being able to sit down and actually CONVERSE with a person…? No issue! Here, go digital!

Keep it. I am peeved enough at already, & have felt cheated by, some of the "automated" QSOs that I have had on CW in the past, where it's been MORE than obvious that the guy at the other end has hit the wrong function key on his computer in the pre-programmed sending of his text.

Whatever happened to the "…fine art of conservation"…? I guess it's been digitized, just like the brains of the mindless zombies who so very lovingly embrace this sorta personally convenient stuff without question...

 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"Whatever happened to the "…fine art of conservation"…?" ...........

http://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/56cb02cd2e52651a008b8970-1819-1364/12719113_10102665120179591_3471165635858509622_o.jpg
 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by NN2X on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To VE3CUI and others who are negative about digital modes:

Have you ever tried digital modes (VE3CUI)?...By the way, Olivia is a conversational mode and many others

It would be rich, if you or others have not used these modes..(And yet criticize).

At is not about instant gratification, it is about experimenting, using cutting edge technology.

These technology (Digital Modes), are highly innovative and many Ham operators spent a large amount of engineering to create such efficiencies.

One fellow I like is Joseph Hooton Taylor Jr. (Phd)in Physics (Harvard)

There are many more inventors of digital modes.

What is surprising to me, you would think that Ham operators would at least experiment with the latest technologies, (And maybe enhance them), rather than bashing the Ham operators who use them and indirectly bash those who invented them..

About Joe (Had won a few awards)

1. Heineman Prize of the American Astronomical Society (1980)(inaugural)

2. Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (1982)

3. Henry Draper Medal of the National Academy of Sciences (1985)

4. Tomalla Foundation Prize (1987)

5. Magellanic Premium (1990)

6. Albert Einstein Medal (1991)

7. John J. Carty Award for the Advancement of Science of the National Academy of Sciences (1991) (physics)[5]

8. Wolf Prize in Physics (1992)

9. Nobel Prize in Physics (1993)

10. Karl Schwarzschild Medal (1997)

By next year I promise there will be more innovation with SDR, and Digital modes...

Ham radio has always progressed, I am happy Joe, and others spent the time to create such technologies in which we (Ham) Operators can experiment and enjoy

Cheers
 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by K0UA on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Great article Tom, thanks for posting it. Don't let the old luddites grind you down. They hate everything and everyone. The key operative is the word hate. One should not "hate" any mode or operating technique. If it is not for you, then don't use it.
 
To NN2X... Reply
by VE3CUI on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Extensive lists of awards & medals hardly impress me, I'm sorry to say. It all reminds of Curly Howard when he played a knock-off Benito Mussolini in those 3 Stooges WW2-era comedy shorts…he even had a metal attached to seat of his pants.

This sorta stuff is about as technologically "…leading edge" as cellphone usage to-day: it's all a no-brainer, as the human operator relinquishes any claim to being tech-savvy to the handheld addiction betwixt his fingers. Even a monkey can be taught to be "smart," by pushing the right buttons.
 
RE: To NN2X... Reply
by NN2X on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
TO VE3CUI

It is not about Cell Phone (Internet and the rest of every day technology).

It is about using the Ionosphere, and closing the link while working DX...

We call this in the commercial world Link Budgets..

For Ham radio there are two elephants in the room in for the Link Budget, which is the band conditions, and what is the required C/N to decode...(Whether SSB, or digital)


There lies the win with digital modes..(Only -13dB, for Olivia and -24 (For FT8, JT65 and JT 9 even better)

Well, that is about it for me...If one can't understand the above, and desires to ignore, the latest cutting edge technology for the Ham community, well, I am sure there are some Ham operators who like Black and White TV using Rabbit ears, and I have no problem with that!

I am done with the post! Thank you all for your responsese

I will work some DX !

C U On the bands..

Tom/NN2X
 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"It would be rich, if you or others have not used these modes..(And yet criticize)."

Oh right.......and so using that logic then I suppose you'll be fine with jumping off a cliff with all the other lemmings - because you'll not know it's a bad thing until you've tried it.

......and we'll all heap admiration upon you because you didn't "criticize" it until you did it - let us know how you get on......

Geez....
 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by K0UA on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I would be willing to bet some of you old "fellas" don't even operate anymore. Just sit in front of your keyboards and bitch.
 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by AC7CW on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you NN2X!

"Black and White TV using Rabbit ears" :) Thank you for that, made me laugh... My former life as a vacuum tube gear repairer/op flashed before my eyes :)
 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"Great article Tom, thanks for posting it. Don't let the old luddites grind you down. They hate everything and everyone. The key operative is the word hate. One should not "hate" any mode or operating technique. If it is not for you, then don't use it."

What kept you.....bit slow with that old gem, the luddite and hate card.


Oh, and you keep getting it the wrong way round - if you need to convert ham radio into an Apple/Samsung communication platform clone then ham radio is not for you, "don't use it."

The IPAD/Smartphone platform you seek is already awaiting you outwith ham radio.....Bye-bye.....



 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by WA0RVK on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
WB4M said: How could anyone NOT know the digital modes are more active? Every evening 40/80/160 are jammed with FT8 stations.

No, actually, 40/80/160 are not jammed. Only one single voice channel on each band is jammed. This is what is amazing about FT8. Only 3khz is jammed. On 160m that's 3khz out of 200khz. The rest of the band is basically abandoned, save for a few CW sigs and 2 or 3 SSB QSO's going on above.

But, your point is taken. I happened to think it's great that we (hams) can cram that many stations into the space that half of an AM transmission uses for just one QSO. People complain about the bands being crowded, but when we find a mode that completely solves that problem, people complain about that, too.

 
RE: Instant Gratification, Meet Ham Radio! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

K0UA says: "They hate everything and everyone. The key operative is the word hate. One should not "hate" any mode or operating technique. If it is not for you, then don't use it."

K0UA also says: "I would be willing to bet some of you old "fellas" don't even operate anymore. Just sit in front of your keyboards and bitch."

You get the virtue signalling.....followed by the reality.


There may be some old fellas that just sit doing as you say, they may not even be so old.

These same fellas may think you just sit nodding like a noddy dog to the tune of NN2X.......
 
To NN2X Et Al... Reply
by VE3CUI on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Lists and formal salutations of medals and honorifics listed after anyone's name do NOT, I'm afraid, particularly impress me...

It is all akin to one of those WW2-era classic “3 Stooges” film shorts, wherein the comedian Curly Howard plays the role of an ad hoc Benito Mussolini dictatorial character, whose chest is SO very full of self-anointed brass and “...fruit salad,” that he was reduced to attaching one particularly large medal squarely onto the seat of his pants.

The majority of to-day's users of computer-commanded digital modes are probably about as self-deluded in proclaiming themselves to be “...leading edge tech-savvy,” as are the very many cellphone addicts that one sees on our streets and byways every day: the knowledge of what buttons to push, and when, on their handheld objects of endearment, is probably only slightly more challenging a task as is training a chimpanzee to know the proper sequence of switches that IT needs to throw, in order to accomplish some pre-determined event...

So does THAT make it something to aspire to...?!
 
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by AA1UY on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I remember trying PSK-31 when it first came out and it appeared to me to be a lot more to do with computer set up than with radio. 'Might as well have been a wired connection for all that it seemed to matter; no skill beyond computer software configuration skills required.

Most of my ham "career" has been on CW and until recently, mostly at QRP levels and I too have QSL cards from Antarctica as someone said, but I was using CW, 5 watts and a MFJ Mag Loop on the balcony (admittedly during far better band conditions).

As we QRP guys say, if the bands are dead, then switch the rig off and go do something else instead. There's more to life than ham radio.

For many of us who've been in this hobby a while, linking computers via radio is not ham radio and is actually killing-off traditional ham radio as more "hams" move on to these new modes that are pretty much obsolete within a few months as the next greatest, more reliable algorithm is created.

If perfectly clear communication 100% of the time is what's desired, then an internet chat program would be far more efficient and less expensive.

Think about that...
 
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by KG4RUL on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"If perfectly clear communication 100% of the time is what's desired, then an internet chat program would be far more efficient and less expensive. "

That sums this whole thread up in ONE sentence!
 
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by AA4PB on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"no skill beyond computer software configuration skills required"

Really. What did you connect your computer to? I'll bet it was a RADIO transceiver which was connected to a RADIO antenna which communicated with a similar RADIO antenna and RADIO transceiver on the other end via Radio Frequencies. It seems to me that it required both basic computer and basic radio skills.
 
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by BURGERLOVER65 on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Awards and degrees are not impressive for me either. People who have always done what mostly their parents wanted them to do jump through hoops for approval. Not smart. That's why most educated people can only teach. The bachelor degree is the one where no one will marry you. The masters where you are master of your own domain (still unmaried), and finally the pile high deep degree that says it all. Once you've achieved that you are qualified to teach others to teach others to fail....
 
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by BURGERLOVER65 on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
BTW,the guy who said if you don't like a mode don't use it is 100 percent correct. That also applies to the net.

If you don't like posts don't read them. You can't have it both ways.

Dave
 
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by K6CRC on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I didn't use digital until FT8. Great mode, keeps me, and likely many others, on the air. With some time and effort, got all states on 80, something nearly impossible with SSB, tough with CW in my location/setup.
Since it is something NEW I expect to see the usual negative comments. Some still mad that spark-gap went away!
 
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by K6UJ on February 14, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I think the computer/ digi modes are great for those that are more preoccupied with computers than radio.
They should develop a new computer class of license and and taylor the exam accordingly. The new IT hams can have their own awards and have their own organization like the ARRL, maybe the ACTL (American Computer Techology League)
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"Since it is something NEW I expect to see the usual negative comments. Some still mad that spark-gap went away!"


Since it's something NEW & it's 2018 I expect to see the usual "entitled" and the "dedicated followers of fashion" all of the opinion it must be good.

.....Some still mad that real hams can see through the FT8s and PQwhatever - merely gateways to perverting the quintessential essence & spirit of ham radio downwards in order to feed delusions of entitlement, parity and cleverness.
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"I think the computer/ digi modes are great for those that are more preoccupied with computers than radio.
They should develop a new computer class of license and and taylor the exam accordingly. The new IT hams can have their own awards and have their own".....


.......bands:- the 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz router bands that connect them to the internet.

And even have their very own digi mode transceivers made by Linksys and Netgear.

The exam could be a texting proficiency test - 12WPM with one thumb and the technical being able to demonstrate proficiency in the operation of a "selfie stick".....

......or in 2018 style just get their pal at the IT ham club to write them out a pass.


You know, I think you're onto something here.
 
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by AC2RY on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Most (or all?) new digital modes are only useful for sending short text few words long. On SSB, o even PSK31 you can have a chat if you want to do so. And sometimes it is really interesting, like one I had with station on South Pole. Or very short like report+73. But with new modes you cannot really have chat, unless you are OK with one word per minute speed. So I consider new modes just advanced beacons to check propagation both ways.
 
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by VE3CNU on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
100%
Now that we are approaching a minima, it's nice to know there is still something to do on the bands. I've been enjoying FT8 as of late even though I enjoy SSB the most.

I've been promoting digital modes on my YouTube channel: The Radio Hobbyist
If you don't think you like digital modes, maybe it's time to take another look - what have you got to lose?
 
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by KJ4AUQ on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"If its and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas."

I love FT8 and have made several DX contacts on so called dead bands. One thing I have found is than there are many more DX folks out there because they do not have to try and speak English. They can program their macros to talk for them and take the time to look up the correct English to put in the macro and avoid embarrassment. I had an Argentinian Ham explain this to me one time during a SSB QSO. It makes sense to me.
 
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by ONAIR on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I believe it's a function of conditions. Hams like to converse, so when the bands are bad, they've got digital! When they are really bad, they've got D-Star, Fusion, and DMR! When they are extremely bad, they've got Echolink! And when they are insanely bad, they've got HamSphere!! ;)
 
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by KB9FMV on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Well not sure if you consider WIRES X digital but boy its the most fun I had in years ! Running a YAESU FT 991 and the contacts are so much fun from all over the world thru America Link !

KB9FMV
73'S
 
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by N3HKN on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
The Hobby has become a constant contest designed by the ARRL to promote the sale of more and more "contest capable" radios. The comments about the efficiency of digital communications is absolutely correct. However, how we use digital is open to discussion. Let's agree that digital is good. In fact it is somewhat amazing.

The use to which it is put. seems to be a subversion of old Amateur Radio. Just sitting in front of a computer, with your hand in your lap, accumulating "contacts" seems to be odd. I can see doing it a few times because it is indeed interesting how well it removes the operator yet employes typical Ham gear which used to take so much time, effort, and expense. I do not need a $15,000 radio, multiple towers, etc. I can use a fairly modest setup and have the computer log contacts for which I receive accolades from the governing organization.

While automation is putting miners and factory workers out of jobs, this latest automated digital operation can be packaged, and programmed, to eliminate the Ham. There is no need for an operator other than the FCC rules. How long will it be before the ARRL asks for an exception to that rule in the guise promoting technology.

New radios will eventually be programmed and packaged to make digital life ever easier. Maybe the dinosaur $15,000 rigs will fade but newer, less technologically advanced, digital radios present a new cash stream.

Theoretically you could simply design a rig with no tuning capability, but covers and entire band, and let it select your favorite digital mode, make the connection and beep a few times to let you know to switch from Facebook to the new digital software. All the digital signals will have to stay in their lanes or we could get QRM. Gee, just like to old days.
 
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by AC2RY on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Actually FT8 in fully automated mode can be used to check propagation. Consider that you decide to find someone far away to chat and first look at last 30 minutes log of FT8 reports - location of peers and signal level. It can be even overlayed on world map. If you see someone you want to talk - instruct FT8 robot to ping that person and let him know that you want SSB chat on certain frequency. FT8 robot on other side then rings the bell and invites operator to answer your call. With proper automation radio can be re-tuned to SSB frequency, your amplifier turned on automatically etc. That would be a perfect method to announce your presence and call someone - sort of paging service (do you recall that - from 30 years ago?).
 
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by NN2X on February 15, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To AC2RY

I like your innovation and creativity!

I am working with a commercial company outside of Ham radio, and this company is using SDR and HF for distributing audio, video, and data for developing countries. The Chief Engineer is a Ham operator. The company is called Titus - SDR..Ground breaking technology using HF (Yes indeed) and SDR...How about that!

https://titus-sdr.com/

There are actually many companies breaking into this market space...

Well, for all of you embracing this latest technology (SDR), maybe a career path, especially considering it uses HF..It is predicted to be over a billion dollar market!


I remember when I was a kid about 12 years old, and meeting K2JFJ (Late), and he was developing technology that for that day (1970's)and it was spot on, but it was his hobby that applied and drove his career...

I did the same as a Satellite Engineer



Cheers

NN2X
TOM
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"The Chief Engineer is a Ham operator. The company is called Titus - SDR..Ground breaking technology using HF (Yes indeed) and SDR...How about that!"


Yeah, and the "dedicated followers of fashion" were all telling us HF was finished and satellites were the way ahead.

Next they'll be telling us that they've found a new "ground breaking" advance in digital technology - an infinitely divisible adaptation of digital - called "analogue"........

FT8 will follow all the other fashions - Fashions fade, style endures.

The main advocates of all these fads/fashions are the hobbyists within ham radio, the same ones that'll be perplexed as to what distinction this labeling of them implies.
Now if you have to think too long about that and still don't get it, good chance you are one of these hobbyists and it is not beyond the realms of possibility there could be very many.........

because one should - "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" - George Carlin



 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"If you don't think you like digital modes, maybe it's time to take another look - what have you got to lose?"


.......what little faith I had left in supposed grown-ups.
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"While automation is putting miners and factory workers out of jobs, this latest automated digital operation can be packaged, and programmed, to eliminate the Ham. There is no need for an operator other than the FCC rules. How long will it be before the ARRL asks for an exception to that rule in the guise promoting technology."


They'll not get it.....the turkeys are too busy voting for Christmas......
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"Well not sure if you consider WIRES X digital but boy its the most fun I had in years ! Running a YAESU FT 991 and the contacts are so much fun from all over the world thru America Link !

KB9FMV
73'S"


Shakes head......no, must be a mistake - reads again......shakes head......
 
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by WD8JMM on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I've been reading this thread for the past several days, and I'm enjoying the various opinions (that's what makes us human, we aren't all the same people). I have one thing to add in defense of the digital modes. I posted this last week on another forum, but I think it sums up my feeling about the topic. Agree or disagree, this is MY experience:

"Since developing hearing issues, the audio modes are difficult for me (copying CW is tough when you can't 'decode' 800 Hz) so FT-8 is proving to be a way for me to continue to enjoy amateur radio, despite my limitations. 73"

No matter how you feel about it, FT8 has enabled me to make use of a station that's been gathering dust for months. Whether or not it's 'real ham radio' is immaterial to me. I didn't have to sell off the equipment, I'm enjoying the hobby again, and I intend to continue for as long as I can still read the computer screen....

By the way, my wife likes it, too, although she kinda feels like it's not 'real ham radio' - she says it's nice not to have to listen to the squeals and burps of the HF bands when I'm trying to copy a noise-level signal. The digital modes are quiet and I can keep the station in the middle of the house where I can continue to interact with my family. All around, it's a win-win for me.

Thanks, and flame away - 73 de WD8JMM
 
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by WB0KSL on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
WD8JMM said it better than I could have. Over the last two years, my hearing has dropped greatly. I am functionally deaf now in my left ear. The right is not far behind. Voice modes are very difficult for me. CW is irritating at best. Digital is my last stand in amateur radio. For me, it IS radio!

73 de WB0KSL
 
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by N3HKN on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Good point for hard of hearing. I am awaiting my interface cables for my FT-450D. I started many years ago with PSK31 when it was the only workable digital community. I see few PSK stations today. The biggest fault I found was the "Wham -Bam Thank You Ham" by collectors. It was quite disappointing. I did not get into the hobby to compete. I actually had longer exchanges with stations when we had High Orbit satellites that offered long periods of acquisition.

Imagine if we had those satellites today. I used SSB thru a 100 watt UHF uplink. The amplifier was in a box in a field at the base of the antennas. I did collect well over a hundred QSL cards from around the world. Now put digital on one of those satellites. WOW, more concurrent conversations, less power, small antennas, etc. I can only say it was a constant thrill to wait for the satellite to rise above the horizon to see what that day would bring. Hopefully we can get a ride on a high orbit launch and place a cube-sat in orbit. Use digital and watch what happens!!
 
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by K7ZOV on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
So last night I fired up my FTdx5000 on 40 meters and it was pure trash. Probably from the CME and being blasted by it. I added a SDRPLay to the IF of this radio and I use Win4YeasuSuite for rig control and it supports this SDR and gives me a great spectrum scope/waterfall feature. I looked around and saw 4 SSB station. (normally it would be many dozens at this time of night) I mouses clicked on one in the waterfall and did a instant QSY and it was a CQ. I called him and we had about a 15 min QSO. I live in NE AZ in the mountains. He lived in Iowa. I had to put the power up to 200 watts and I was still 55 to 57. He was running 100 watts and 53-55. QSB was all over the place. He said he had been calling CQ for quite a while and made only a few contacts...

After the QSO I used the spectrum scope to see where the action was. Found quite a few CW station and the biggest pile up was in the WSJT-X digital part of the band and where PSK and Olivia people hang out.

If you are limiting yourself to just SSB you are really limiting your ham radio options. Even on a super crappy evening contacts can be made.

I did sweep 20, 30 and 80 meters. 20 totally dead. 30 a few CW and lots of digital. 80 meters still had the "CB" boys with all their foul mouths yapping away, but even they were in the noise. Some CW action and yes digital...FT8, a couple of Olivia and a few PSK...

Just saying.... Bad conditions means different options... The only limit to ham radio is the operator..
 
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by KB2HSH on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
There goes Captain Asshole, GM1FLQ.

Seriously, are you as negative and as much of a fucking asshole in person as you are when you're bing a tough-guy "keyboard commando"?

You seem to get your kicks pissing on others' parades. And just like the bullies at school, you do it because of your own shortcomings and insecurities.

You're truly a pathetic little twerp.

KB2HSH
 
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by K3SZ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
For those tired of endless GM1FLQ comments, look for a browser plug-in that can match and replace text. I'm using a regex expression, <a href="/user/profile/GM1FLQ">[^]+?<\/strong> that substitutes all of his posts with "Ignored!" at the HTML level. De-clutters the page significantly and makes up for this site's lack of an ignore filter.

GL & 73!
 
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by KB2HSH on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you, K3SZ. Doing it as we "speak".

73 de KB2HSH
Grand Island, NY
 
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by FURSM on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"There goes Captain Asshole, GM1FLQ."

Spot on, and just in case anybody missed it, here is a snapshot of his QRZCQ page:

https://postimg.org/image/jm7ch28lx/

But perhaps we should just ignore this troll. He is a tiresome boor.
 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I am the author of this article, and my patience is getting thin with this fellow GM1FLQ. Always negative...(Are we sure he is a Ham operator?)

I had reported him to EHam Managers...I noticed he is not in the QRZ data base, and not on any forums on QRZ. (Maybe he was kicked off)

I request for all of you tired of seeing negative comments from GM1FLQ, send to EHAM manager..

 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"For those tired of endless GM1FLQ comments, look for a browser plug-in that can match and replace text. I'm using a regex expression, <a href="/user/profile/GM1FLQ">[^]+?<\/strong> that substitutes all of his posts with "Ignored!" at the HTML level. De-clutters the page significantly and makes up for this site's lack of an ignore filter.

GL & 73!"

The '2HSH and '3SZ answer or all those that can't handle alternative opinions..............

https://coalactionnetworkaotearoa.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/hitswgn1.jpg
 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I repeat

I am the author of this article, and my patience is getting thin with this fellow GM1FLQ. Always negative...(Are we sure he is a Ham operator?)

I had reported him to EHam Managers...I noticed he is not in the QRZ data base, and not on any forums on QRZ. (Maybe he was kicked off)

I request for all of you tired of seeing negative comments from GM1FLQ, send to EHAM manager..
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!


The NN2X answer when you don't like the opinions of someone......seek to have them closed down.....

"I am the author of this article, and my patience is getting thin with this fellow GM1FLQ. Always negative...(Are we sure he is a Ham operator?)

I had reported him to EHam Managers...I noticed he is not in the QRZ data base, and not on any forums on QRZ. (Maybe he was kicked off)

I request for all of you tired of seeing negative comments from GM1FLQ, send to EHAM manager.. "


As he sits there in the land of the First Amendment......pffffff......
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
KB2HSH: "And just like the bullies at school,"


......yet clearly it is NN2X rounding up the gang on here, that's how bullies operate....

Get it right.
 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
GM1FLQ you are Offensive (You are not expressing your opinion in most cases)...I am tired of it.

I repeat again......

I am the author of this article and my patience is getting thin with this fellow GM1FLQ. Always negative...(Are we sure he is a Ham operator?)

I had reported him to EHam Managers...I noticed he is not in the QRZ data base, and not on any forums on QRZ. (Maybe he was kicked off)

I request for all of you tired of seeing negative comments from GM1FLQ, send to EHAM manager..




 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

FURSM: "Spot on, and just in case anybody missed it, here is a snapshot of his QRZCQ page:"


Oh dear, here we go again - earlier it was NN2X who was quite happy (even thought he was being clever) to be a party to propagating the profanity written by whoever was using my callsign fraudulently on QRZCQ......

FURSM at least get with it, QRZCQ were informed and have dealt with it - an NN2 call was given to them as a point of reference.......


An insight into the '2X gang........
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

NN2X: "GM1FLQ you are Offensive (You are not expressing your opinion in most cases)...I am tired of it.

I repeat again......

I am the author of this article......"


I don't care who you are even if you're Henry Kissinger, because I now know what you are, you've demonstrated that clearly.
 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
GM1FLQ


For all you who desire to kick off the offensive GM1FLQ, send a message to the following EHAM Mangers..

Let the EHAM managers look over GM1FLQ comments...

Site Manage Mike, N2MG

Article Manager Clinton Herbert, AB7RG

Founder, BILL, W4AN

NN2X

Tom
 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
GM1FLQ


For all you who desire to kick off the offensive GM1FLQ, send a message to the following EHAM Mangers..

Let the EHAM managers look over GM1FLQ comments...

Site Manage Mike, N2MG

Article Manager Clinton Herbert, AB7RG

Founder, BILL, W4AN

NN2X

Tom
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

NN2X: "I request for all of you tired of seeing negative comments from GM1FLQ, send to EHAM manager."


Unbelievable even by your standards - I'm not on here to post what you and your cohorts deem are enough positive comments to keep you happy.

If that's your mindset you really do have delusions of grandeur way above your station.

I request for all of you tired of NN2X thinking he is the arbiter of opinion, send to EHAM manager.
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
NN2X


For all you who desire to kick off NN2X who posted a link to QRZCQ where the fraudulent use of my call was used to write a supposed bio of me which was full of profanity from start to finish.
He was inviting all on this forum to click on the link because he thought he was being clever. In short he was encouraging the propagation of offensive details written by a fraudster - now he is trying to pass himself off as some sort of victim.

If you think actively directing people to a link containing fraudulent activity is below the standards expected on EHAM, send a message to the following EHAM Mangers..

Let the EHAM managers look over NN2X post of the 13th Feb 2018...

Site Manage Mike, N2MG

Article Manager Clinton Herbert, AB7RG

Founder, BILL, W4AN
 
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by KB2HSH on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
FLQ said:
......yet clearly it is NN2X rounding up the gang on here, that's how bullies operate....

What amazes me is how you are attempting to play the victim card. Anyone that has been on eHam long enough knows that you're a bitter, childish, negative, and arrogantly worthless troll. You find pleasure in mocking others, and when called out, you spiral off on tangents. You came most unhinged when someone posted a way to block you...basically, eliminating any trace of you.

Is that it, buddy? Do you lash out because you're ignored? Do you need a hug?? Funniest part, you pathetic waste of oxygen, is that I can psychologically pick you apart from here.

And it's NOT the rallying of bullies that NN2X is doing. It's called strength in numbers. We're ALL sick of your shit, and want you gone.

KB2HSH



 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




Best



Tom Wright

Email tomw0093@aol.com

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by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"And it's NOT the rallying of bullies that NN2X is doing. It's called strength in numbers."

No no, of course not it's just rallying a gang for the purpose of mob rule of EHAM.

Oh I never underestimate the strength of stupid people in large numbers.





 
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by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




Best



Tom Wright

Email tomw0093@aol.com

Cisco Certificates
CCIE (Wireless / Written)
CCNP,CCDP,CCVP CSE, CCNA (Wireless)
CCNA CS-CIPTDS, CS-CAIPCSS
CS- CRMCS, CS-CIPCCES,
CS-CUSS,CS-CUDS

FCC Licenses
First Class & General,
2nd Class Radio Telegraph,
Radar Endorsement
Amateur Extra License (NN2X)
Global Maritime License
Radio Operator License
Global Maritime
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RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by FURSM on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018:

"FURSM at least get with it, QRZCQ were informed and have dealt with it - an NN2 call was given to them as a point of reference....... "

Russell, my dear boy, I made the QRZCQ page. Not because of your opinions, but rather because of your behaviour.
I am creating a plethora of websites expounding upon the oxygen wasting, lavvy-heided wankstain that is Russell S. Monahan. Soon, the first page of any search will be filled with links celebrating your notoriety.
However, you have one chance at redemption. Apologize and stop being a doaty arse, or go away. If you do neither, the sites go public.
Your move.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NN2X on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




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RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
FURSM: "Russell, my dear boy, I made the QRZCQ page......Your move"

I know John boy.......
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NN2X on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




Best



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RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NN2X on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




Best



Tom Wright

Email tomw0093@aol.com

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2nd Class Radio Telegraph,
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It IS, After All, STILL A Democracy... Reply
by VE3CUI on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
NN2X, you sure are one to be impressed with titles, initials heaped by the baleful after one's name, & abbreviated accolades, are you not…? As if THAT is the sole, singular "…measure of a man."

Well, I HATE to pry your eyes open like this, but the forum is supposed to be an OPEN one, and as such, accepting of submissions from persons who may NOT have the otherwise good fortune --- such as you, and others that you've mentioned here before --- of having a plethora of awards bestowed after their names, but who may possess instead, quite simply, an OPINION…

And if that opinion should conflict with one that you have, so be it: that person is as entitled to it equally as much as you are, "…brass-and-fruit-salad-pinned-across-your-chest" notwithstanding. Democracy is the great equalizer that is blind to whatever claims of privilege, or entitlement, others might assert gives them pre-eminance over others, no matter how many times they might laboriously list their accomplishments.

And yet, in the face of all this, you want to invoke some modicum of your own version of a "Stand Your Ground" law, and simply blast away anyone who might differ with you. There is no need for any hypothetical semi-automatic rifles on this site, but rather, one must be possessive of an open mind, and a resignation to the fact that everyone is different…and finally, to simply accept that reality.


 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
NN2X: "He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ"


No, that is an untruth - details were entered on hamcall fraudulently - via the fraudulent use of my call sign.

An act of identity fraud has taken place.

I have now told you publicly what the situation is for all to see. And this serves as a public record that I have told you.

A copy of this has been sent to the EHAM manager.




 
RE: It IS, After All, STILL A Democracy... Reply
by NN2X on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




Best



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RE: It IS, After All, STILL A Democracy... Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you VE3CUI.

Apparently there are some self elected contributors on here who think they speak on behalf of all.

They also seem to think they are the arbiters of acceptable opinion.
 
These forums are used to promote Ham radio Reply
by NN2X on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To All:

I am the Author of this Topic..Read my opening statement...

Then read only GM1FLQ Comments...

Tell me what is the Intend?




To GM1FLQ and all the other Hams that posted a response to my article.

I sent the following email to the Site Manager (Clinton), and Article Manager (Mike) for EHAM...

Clinton's email is ab7rg@arrl.net and Mike's is n2mg@contesting.com


Hi Clinton and Mike

Let me introduce myself, My name is Tom Wright, NN2X

I would like you to look at the responses that GM1FLQ has posted on various articles (On Eham).

Take for example my Article(Digital Modes Activities & Granularity)

http://www.eham.net/articles/40353

Having opinions is one thing, but the GM1FLQ has offended and quite frankly disrupted not only my articles but many others..

I am not only one that is complaining, but other Ham operators are as well…Just read the thread, or other articles he responded to..

FYI, GM1FLQ is not on QRZ Data base…He is on https://hamcall.net/call/GM1FLQ




Best



Tom Wright

Email tomw0093@aol.com

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ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by VE3CUI on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Tom, you have been belabouring your point here by posting that very same list of personal accolades for what now, SEVEN TIMES…?

I hate to say this --- and nothing personal intended --- but Einstein was once quoted as saying that "…The definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing, over and over again --- and expecting a different result."
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by K8QV on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Bwaaahhhaaaaa! You hammies are a hoot!
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by NN2X on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To VE3CUI

I spent time to write an article on digital modes, only to be offended repeatedly by GM1FLQ

What is the purpose, what is the motive...from GM1FLQ?

If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it...(Or write it)

You look at any of my posts, they are civil, and I try to be informative. (As most Ham operators are)

I ask again, what is the intend of such negativity and offending people, from GM1FLQ? Just because he does not like digital modes. I illustrate these digital modes so that it can help those ham operators who have modest antennas and desire to make DX Contacts

How is the above is bad? Why the heck would GM1FLQ go ballistic over this, and offend other ham operators just because of illustrating about the advantages of digital modes...







 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by AC2RY on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To NN2X

You seems to be overly sensitive to offensive comments. But they a norm on any open Internet forum - about digital modes, antenna legislation and myriad other topics. You can choose either answer to each objection point, or (do not feed the troll) just ignore it as you ignore noise on the band while operating your radio.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by NI0C on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Well, if the moderators remove the comments made by the GM1, they certainly should remove the vulgar offensive reaction by KB2HSH.

But to VE3CUI-- really, if a Nobel Prize is not enough to impress you-- what is? Your making light of such accomplishments is just plain silly.

NN2X-- I enjoyed your article. I have made a fair number of FT8 QSO's in recent months, and have earned (yes, earned!) another DXCC using the mode. CW remains my favorite mode, and always will, but the new digital modes certainly have their place.
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by WD4ED on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I must concur with the original write up.

But I also wasted a few minutes of my life reading some of the responses. I admit I did stop after a point.

Let me see if I can paraphrase what I have learned.

"Anyone that doesn't operate like I want, is wrong and I hate them.!"

"Since the introduction of CW, Ham radio should have been closed to new modes of operation and technology"

"I can't respect anybody that disagrees with me."

"Earning operating awards with a modern digital mode when the solar flux is often in the 60s is much easier than working most of the planet during a CQWWDX contest with the solar flux over 150. Or a WAS during a Sweepstakes weekend!"

As I have gotten older, I have noticed how I have gotten more narrow minded and set in my ways. But I'm fully aware of it and not always proud of it. But some of what I have read here is embarrassing not just to a few select individuals and to ham radio as a whole.

Thank you,
Ed
 
To NI0Y... Reply
by VE3CUI on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Ex-president Barrack Obama received just such a Nobel prize back some 9 years ago…

Can anyone tells us, justifiably, why…?!

Enquiring minds NEED to know…!
 
That is it for me on this thread Reply
by NN2X on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
AC2RY

Yes indeed, I assume this is the norm today with the negativity, Actually I created articles before, and I don't believe I had so much backlash..


I will though...leave this thread...

 
RE: To NI0Y... Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"Ex-president Barrack Obama received just such a Nobel prize back some 9 years ago…

Can anyone tells us, justifiably, why…?!"

Spot on...........
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KB2HSH on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
NI0C:

Actually, it was more PROFANE than vulgar. But I still appreciate your opinion.

KB2HSH

 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by AC7CW on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I could have worked a few countries on FT8 in the time it took me to read all this...
 
RE: It IS, After All, STILL A Democracy... Reply
by FURSM on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Regarding:
"It IS, After All, STILL A Democracy..." Reply
by VE3CUI on February 17, 2018

Eddy, is that you? Have you thrown in with Russell? The Eddy I knew would not. What happened?

Perhaps Russell has made accounts using other call signs. Checking the logs to see if the IP addresses match might be in order.

And FYI, troll-claiming-to-be-Eddy, this is NOT a democracy. If it were, Russell GM1FLQ would undoubtedly be voted out.

This is a privately owned site. Whatever the owners say, goes. Contrary to the ignorant rantings of Russell, the First Amendment means nothing here. It only applies to government restrictions upon speech. The owners of this site can restrict whatever form of speech they like, if they so choose.

If you really are Eddy (and there is room for doubt,) please reconsider and refrain from trolling.

The IP addresses attached to your and Russell's posts will be informative.
 
"FURSM"…? Reply
by VE3CUI on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
No offense meant, but just WHO are YOU, then…?!

When I clicked on your "callsign," & this is all that I got back:


Meet FURSM!

Real Name:
None given.

Photo:
No photo available.

Email address:


"...Me thinks that the proverbial cloak & dagger accoutrements executed therein, doth conceal more than thou wisheth to reveal about thineself --- YOURSELF…!"
 
RE: "FURSM"…? Reply
by FURSM on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"FURSM"…? Reply
by VE3CUI on February 17, 2018

"No offense meant, but just WHO are YOU, then…?!"

I'm Rick James, bitch.

https://media.giphy.com/media/HiDfhTFGZ4geI/giphy.gif
 
RE: "FURSM"…? Reply
by K6CRC on February 17, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Love FT8 and having an intelligent conversation on 20M SSB. Getting harder to find these days. Between diatribes on religion, politics, 'no-coders', and haters as we see above. I cannot 73 fast enough.
Any wonder why there are so few younger hams?
 
RE: "FURSM"…? Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"No offense meant, but just WHO are YOU, then…?!"

FURSM

Seemingly has a real radio amateur call & his name is John, although he doesn't give his name under his call on eham.

He has also posted under his real call on this very thread......
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"Why the heck would GM1FLQ go ballistic over this..."

You have seen me go nothing near ballistic.

Also, you conveniently don't seem to be commenting on the ballistic from a source on your side of the argument - that's where the profanity and threats are coming from, yet not a peep from you on that......

KB2HSH/FURSM

KB2HSH/FURSM

KB2HSH/FURSM

Let me just do that again.....KB2HSH/FURSM......and see if the penny drops with anyone.

Perhaps it already has with some.


 
RE: "FURSM"…? Reply
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"...I'm Rick James, bitch…"

Allow me to correct you: you left out "THE" between the last, & the second to last, words in your name.

You're welcome...
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by KB2HSH on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
FURSM? That's amusing, since I don't need a fake account to mask anything that I have to say. But thanks for playing.
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"FURSM? That's amusing, since I don't need a fake account to mask anything that I have to say. But thanks for playing."

Oh you're welcome.

You see it's just that I could imagine many wouldn't need a fake account to mask what they have to say but if it involved bragging about fraudulent activity & issuing threats then they might not be so confident.

 
RE: "FURSM"…? Reply
by FURSM on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

RE: "FURSM"…? Reply
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018

"You're welcome..."

And Eddy, you are welcome to share the consequences of joining Russell as an antagonist.
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by FURSM on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
GM1FLQ - Russell, what would Catherine think about your childish behaviour?
 
Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"...And Eddy, you are welcome to share the consequences of joining Russell as an antagonist…"

WHOMEVER you may be, "...Mr. Anonymous," the ONLY thing that I may be deemed guilty of, is having an opinion that differs from yours.

If that is the reality --- which, for reasons unknown --- you are unable to either fathom, or to accept, then feel free to wallow in whatever self-pitying "victimhood" it is that you so obviously enjoy…or grow up, and accept the fact that we are all individuals, and in so being, unique & different from you…and hardly deserving of any threatened "consequences," as a result.
 
RE: Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by FURSM on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018:

"the ONLY thing that I may be deemed guilty of, is having an opinion that differs from yours."

Au contraire, you have behaved in a similarly haughty manner as Russell GM1FLQ.

Eddy, it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it. Behave like a gentleman, and can all be friends. Don't be a Russell GM1FLQ. You're better than that. Right?

 
RE: Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"...Behave like a gentleman, and can all be friends…"

I can accept that well enough --- and to that end, kindly refrain from statements like, "…I'm Rick James, Bitch" if you are really & truly serious about playing nice…!
 
RE: Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by FURSM on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018

"I can accept that well enough --"

Excellent! Then stop making statements like:

"Are you totally clueless as to the fine art of social interaction, in particular, being able to sit down and actually CONVERSE with a person…?"

"Whatever happened to the "…fine art of conservation"…? I guess it's been digitized, just like the brains of the mindless zombies who so very lovingly embrace this sorta personally convenient stuff without question... "

Tell me, Eddy, would you want to converse with someone who calls others 'mindless zombies?'

Does the "fine art of conversation" include belittling those who utilize operating modes and techniques that differ from those you prefer?

Eddy, is your idea of conversing via phone or CW anything like how you post on these forums? If so, lament not at it's demise, as you accelerate it.
 
RE: Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
You are simply BEYOND any sort of redemption, or reproach, aren't you…?!

Somebody finally extends a sprig of an olive branch in your direction, & you start right back into it all over again, completely renewed & refreshed for the next round.

Wow.

"...Physician, heal thyself," is MORE than appropriate in your particular instance, I'm afraid. And what's with the phoney-baloney "call sign" that you continually hide your TRUE identity behind…? You have something to conceal there, or something…?! Or are you simply ashamed of yourself…?

Well, here's something to ruminate over: WHO CARES.
 
RE: Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by FURSM on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
by VE3CUI on February 18, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"You are simply BEYOND any sort of redemption, or reproach, aren't you…?!"

Of course. But there may still be hope for you.
 
RE: Guilty --- But NOT As Charged Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 19, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"And what's with the phoney-baloney "call sign" that you continually hide your TRUE identity behind…? You have something to conceal there, or something…?"



Might have something to do with twin brother John the KB2' digital mode fanatic who works for an internet company and knows all the concealing dodges...
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by KB2HSH on February 19, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Whataboutism.

Not that I have to defend MYSELF, but I'm a fucking lineman. I spend my days dangling from utility poles so simpletons such as yourself can be as much if a chicken-shit coward and start fights while in your mom's basement.

Done arguing with this asshole.

KB2HSH
 
RE: ENOUGH Already, Tom…! Reply
by GM1FLQ on February 19, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

And I'm done with eHam.

Enjoy your echochamber where you can all (one or two exceptions) enjoy rivetting debate where you all pat each other on the back for having the same view.


ADIOS..........
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by N7KFD on February 20, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

Hey Tom, nice article. I haven't tried FT8 yet but I use BPSK 31 from time to time. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by W9MT on February 20, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Here we go again. NN2X presents a thoughtful observation and question about the "new digital modes" and "DX" and everything degrades into a bidirectional salvo of vitriol.

The next step will see Adolph Hitler being mentioned in the postings. Always degrades to that...sheesh.

Let me add my own tuppence of (I hope) VALUE to the original premise...

1. Yes, the HF bands really stink right now. I haven't seen propagation this bad since I was first licensed in 1970 as a junior in High School. I can also fondly remember working DX at NIGHT on 15m SSB in 1972 running 100W. Wow...one didn't need 2m FM or DMR or D-STAR with propagation like that.

2. Now I'm recently retired and living in a nice house, albeit in a nice neighborhood patrolled by clipboard carrying HOA Nazi's. (Yeah...it was my own choice at the time. So the HF antennae have to be stealth.)

3. But, you know??? The new digital modes don't require an outside antenna. The clipboard people will never be invited into my house. I get to operate, rag chew, et cetera with no one being the wiser or telling me what I cannot do. Yay...D-STAR and DMR.

4. I sweated a lot learning on my own how to build a working code plug for my TYT MD-380 and Radioddity GD-77...and I'm not done yet. I can think of many additions and improvements I'd like to make. Hmmmm...learning whilst being an "old dog". That should chase away the Alzheimer's and dementia, as any puzzle solving does.

5. After being shamed and badgered by a D-STAR disciple who is a friend and former co-worker, I found a deal on an Icom HT and spent several weeks of research on how to navigate the various linking, echoing, unlinking, etc. of repeaters, gateways, and reflectors. I find this a bit more complicated than DMR, but...hmmmm... more learning. That's gotta be helpful. Plus my colleague offers me Elmering on how to simplify what I'm currently doing for configuring the radio. I heartily ACCEPT!!! I am always open to new learning.

Notice the common thread here?

I'm doing "new stuff", I'm "sweating learning it". That's healthy.

I miss doing CW. I miss doing SSB voice communications. I miss my PSK-31. My Radio Shack HTX-10 sleeps quietly in its box until the sunspots come back. I have a Little Tarheel antenna with the MFJ Memory Tuner that I have yet to put on my 2015 truck along with an IC-706Mk2. Why should I even bother with mobile HF when fixed HF with better antennas is still LOUSY? So, I found something new to replace this until "times get better".

But, that's what's nice about the ham radio hobby. When one "door closes" several "new ones open".

Thank heaven for the cheap Chinese radios for DMR bolstering a new way to both rag chew and work DX.(I know this kind of contact probably won't count toward DXCC credit, but "so what"???)

Thank heaven again for the fact that the secondary market for recent technology D-STAR radios is also opening up. I'm sorry, but I'm frugal. I don't want to spend $500 on a new HT, just to try a new mode.

I get enjoyment out of what I'm doing, so I'm happy. What's not to like?

(Now just let me at those Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's I've been squirreling away for even more retirement learning. Sweat or fun or both...come what may.)

Thank you NN2X for your bravery in positing such a thoughtful posting, despite the many non-constructive comments coming back.
 
Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by KK6HUY on February 20, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Google "GM1FLQ" for some education as to what this individual is and does. You will also note he does not post in the forums, he's been banned there. A shame we cannot report comments and posters in the "Articles" section. Perhaps eham.net would like to take a look at that omission.

NN2X, I have emailed as you requested. Your article was useful and timely. The reaction it engendered was unbelievable and absolutely unacceptable. I, for one, want to thank you for the time and effort and request more when your schedule permits.
 
RE: Digital Modes Activities & Granularity Reply
by W4KVW on February 20, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"QUOTE" from KB2HSH,

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by KB2HSH on February 16, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
There goes Captain Asshole, GM1FLQ.

Seriously, are you as negative and as much of a fucking asshole in person as you are when you're bing a tough-guy "keyboard commando"?

You seem to get your kicks pissing on others' parades. And just like the bullies at school, you do it because of your own shortcomings and insecurities.

You're truly a pathetic little twerp.

KB2HSH

Reading your vulgar reply shows the Pot really does call the kettle Black? Do you eat out of the same mouth that you talk out of & ever wonder why everything taste like POOP? There is a very good reason! You could use a lesson in Good Manners or any manners at all.Everyone who reads this thread sees your ranting & vulgar language because you don't have a private line! {:>(

Clayton
W4KVW
 
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by K9MHZ on February 20, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Come on guys.....
 
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by VE3CUI on February 21, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Let's give this one a well-deserved rest, once & for all…

Looking at some of the vitriolic posts herein, replete with undeleted expletives, in my mind I am transported to the phone portion of the 75-meter band in its prime, on a Saturday night.

…And who wants to venture into THAT "…No Man's Land"…?!
 
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by W0AEW on February 21, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
The few times I've been asked by the curious about ham radio, I simply refer them to eham and qrz. Never hear another peep from them on the topic.
 
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