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FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now

from NW7US on January 26, 2018
Website: https://groups.io/g/Olivia
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For those of you who have dived into the crowded but fun pool of FT8 operation--or one of the other Joe Taylor modes (such as JT65, FT8, or JT9)--and now are excited about digital modes, here's something you might enjoy exploring, as well. Unlike the JT/FT digital modes--modes that do an incredible job under marginal propagation conditions--there are other modes that offer keyboard-to-keyboard conversational QSO opportunities that can overcome rough shortwave radio propagation conditions.

(The meaning of QSO on Wikipedia: An amateur radio contact, more commonly referred to as simply a "contact", is an exchange of information between two amateur radio stations.)

While making quick work of getting DX stations into your logbook by exchanging callsigns, a signal report, and a grid square, the JT/FT modes (JT stands for Joe Taylor, the fellow that pioneered these modes) are limited. They cannot handle any additional communications beyond a callsign, a signal report, a gridsquare, and a very limited set of acknowledgements and sign-off messages.

When you desire to get to know people from other areas of the world, or if you need to establish networks around the world for passing information--perhaps an emergency net in support of the Red Cross--or if you are motivated by any other of a myriad reasons to establish a keyboard-to-keyboard conversation by way of the ionosphere, modes like Olivia are great candidates for your consideration. (Later in this article, typical and suggested frequencies and settings are listed for Olivia operation on HF)

For Your Consideration: Olivia

Olivia is an MFSK--Multi-Frequency Shift Keying--radioteletype protocol designed to work in difficult conditions on shortwave bands. The Olivia digital mode is commonly used by amateur radio operators to reliably transmit ASCII characters over noisy channels using the high frequency (i.e., 3 MHz to 30 MHz; high-frequency, or HF; shortwave) spectrum. The typical Olivia signal is decoded when the amplitude of the noise is over three times that of the digital signal!

In 2005, SP9VRC, Pawel Jalocha, released to the world Olivia, a mode that he developed starting in 2003 to overcome difficult radio signal propagation conditions on the shortwave bands. By difficult, we are talking significant phase distortions, low signal-to-noise ratios (SNR), and multipath propagation effects. The Olivia-modulated radio signals are decoded even when it is ten to fourteen dB below the noise floor. That means that Olivia is decoded when the amplitude of the noise is slightly over three times that of the digital signal!

When the propagation of digital signals is sub-optimal, such as when the signal experiences low signal-to-noise ratio, and/or the path between the transmitting station and receiver experiences multipath propagation, many digital modes suffer the loss of data. Olivia, on the other hand, overcomes these problems.

Olivia decodes well under other conditions that are a complex mix of atmospheric noise, signal fading (QSB), interference (QRM), noise (QRN), and polar flutter caused by a radio signal traversing a polar path. Olivia is even capable when the signal is affected by auroral conditions (including the Sporadic-E Auroral Mode, where signals are refracted off of the highly-energized E-region in which the Aurora is active).

Currently, the only other digital modes that match or exceed Olivia in their sensitivity are MT63, and some of the modes designed by Joe Taylor as implemented in the WSJT programs, including FT8, JT65A, and JT65-HF--each of which are certainly limited in usage and definitely not able to provide true conversation capabilities. Olivia is useful for emergency communications, unlike JT65A or the newly popular FT8.

Olivia in Action

The following linke is to a video that is a demonstration of a two-way transmission (a QSO) using the Olivia digital mode on shortwave. I am in QSO (conversation) with KA5TPJ. As you can see on the waterfall (the deeper blue area toward the bottom of the software's window), there are two other Olivia QSOs just below my QSOs frequency. Just above my QSO frequency is FT8 activity. Below the two other Olivia QSOs are PSK31 QSOs. The band is active!. One thing stands out: Olivia is not dead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAIhkaJN15o

The standard Olivia formats (shown as the number of tones/bandwidth in Hz) are 8/250, 8/500, 16/500, 8/1000, 16/1000, and 32/1000. Some even use 16/2000 for series emergency communication. The most commonly-used formats are 16/500, 8/500, and 8/250. However, the 32/1000 and 16/1000 configurations are popular in some areas of the world (Europe) and on certain bands.

These different choices in bandwidth and tone settings can cause some confusion and problems--so many formats and so many other digital modes can make it difficult to figure out which mode you are seeing and hearing. After getting used to the sound and look of Olivia in the waterfall, though, it becomes easier to identify the format when you encounter it. To aid in your detection of what mode is being used, there is a feature of many digital-mode software implementation suites: the RSID. The next video, below, is a demonstration on how to set the Reed-Solomon Identification (RSID) feature in Ham Radio Deluxe's Digital Master 780 module (HRD DM780). (Check out Ham Radio Deluxe, here.)

I encourage ALL operators, using any digital mode such as Olivia, to TURN ON the RSID feature as shown in this example. In Fldigi, the RSID is the TXID and RXID; make sure to Check (turn on) each, the TXID and RXID.

Please, make sure you are using the RSID (Reed Solomon Identification - RSID or TXID, RXID) option in your software. RSID transmits a short burst at the start of your transmission which identifies the mode you are using. When it does that, those amateur radio operators also using RSID while listening will be alerted by their software that you are transmitting in the specific mode (Olivia, hopefully), the settings (like 8/250), and where on the waterfall your transmission is located. This might be a popup window and/or text on the receive text panel. When the operator clicks on that, the software moves the waterfall cursor right on top of the signal and changes the mode in the software. This will help you make more contacts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBIacwD9nNM

+ NOTE 1: The MixW software doesn't have RSID features. Request it!

+ NOTE 2: A problem exists in the current paid version of HRD's DM780: the DM780 RSID popup box that lists the frequency, mode, and configuration with a link to click, does not work. HRD support is aware of the problem. You can still use the textual version that shows up in the DECODED TEXT window, a feature of RSID that you can select in the HRD DM780 program settings. This setting ensures that the detected RSID details appear in the receive text area. If you click the RSID link that comes across the text area, DM780 will tune to the reported signal, and change to the correct settings.

Voluntary Olivia Channelization

Since Olivia signals can be decoded even when received signals are extremely weak, (signal to noise ratio of -14db), signals strong enough to be decoded are sometimes below the noise floor and therefore impossible to search for manually. As a result, amateur radio operators have voluntarily decided upon channelization for this mode. This channelization allows even imperceptibly weak signals to be properly tuned for reception and decoding. By common convention amateur stations initiate contacts utilizing 8/250, 16/500, or 32/1000 configuration of the Olivia mode. After negotiating the initial exchange, sometimes one of the operators will suggest switching to other configurations to continue the conversation at more reliable settings, or faster when conditions allow. The following table lists the common center frequencies used in the amateur radio bands.

Olivia (CENTER) Frequencies (kHz) for Calling, Initiating QSOs

It is often best to get on standard calling frequencies with this mode because you can miss a lot of weak signals if you don't. However, with Olivia activity on the rise AND all the other modes vying for space, a good deal of the time you can operate wherever you can find a clear spot--as close as you can to a standard calling frequency.

Note: some websites publish frequencies in this band, that are right on top of weak-signal JT65, JT9, and FT8 segments. DO NOT QRM weak-signal QSOs!

We (active Olivia community members) suggest 8/250 as the starting settings when calling CQ on the USB frequencies designated as 'Calling Frequencies.' A Calling Frequency is a center frequency on which you initially call, 'CQ CQ CQ...' and then, with the agreement of the answering operator, move to a new nearby frequency, changing the number of tones and bandwidth at your discretion.  Even though 8/250 is slow, the CQ call is short.  But, it is narrow, to allow room for other QSOs nearby.

Current CENTER Frequencies With 8/250:

 1.8269 MHz,  3.5729 MHz,  7.0729 MHz, 10.1429 MHz,
14.0729 MHz, 18.1029 MHz, 21.0729 MHz, 24.9229 MHz,
28.1229 MHz, and so on.

See the pattern? By the way: The current suggested CENTER frequency with 16/1000 or 32/1000 on 20 meters is 14.1059.

(Why the xxx...9 frequencies? Experts say that ending in a non-zero odd number is easier to remember!)

Q: What's a 'CENTER' Frequency? Is That Where I Set My Radio's Dial?

For those new to waterfalls: the CENTER frequency is the CENTER of the cursor shown by common software.  The cursor is what you use to set the transceiver's frequency on the waterfall.  If your software's waterfall shows the frequency, then you simply place the cursor so that its center is right on the center frequency listed, above.  If your software is set to show OFFSET, then you might, for example, set your radio's dial frequency to 14.0714, and place the center of your waterfall cursor to 1500 (1500 Hz).  That would translate to the 14.0729 CENTER frequency.

Another operating tip: Do not switch to other modes or settings without calling CQ for at least a five-minute window. It is horrid when people call CQ and change settings, modes, bandwidths, tones, every time they call CQ! If you want someone to answer your CQ, you need to stick with one setting for long enough for others to find your signal and get set up to answer.

REMEMBER: ALWAYS TURN ON RSID! (TXID and RXID in FLdigi)

Common Windows of Olivia Operation on HF
(this is still a work-in-progress; your input is welcome)
+ 160m: 1835 kHz - 1837.9 kHz
+ 80m:  3571 kHz - 3573.9 kHz
+ 40m:  7071 kHz - 7073.9 kHz (500, 250, or 125 Hz configurations mostly)
+ 30m:  10141 kHz - 10144 kHz (500, 250, or 125 Hz configurations mostly)
+ 20m:  14071 kHz - 14073.9 kHz (500, 250, or 125 Hz configurations mostly)
+ 20m:  14104.5 kHz – 14107.9 kHz (1000 or 2000 Hz wide configurations mostly)
+ 17m:  18102.65 kHz
+ 15m, 
  12m, 
  10m, 
  6m:   Usually 500 Hz above PSK activity
         – 21071.5 kHz, 24921.5 kHz, 28121.5 kHz
+ 6m:   50.291 MHz (?? still in debate)

Note: Make sure that your signal does not cross into other sub-bands (watch the highest edge of the transmitted signal) where weak-signal modes are active. For instance, do not have any part of your signal at 14074 kHz or higher, as this is the sub-band for FT8, which is just below JT65A and JT9.

An example of the calling frequency on 20 meters with a center frequency of 14.0729 MHz, 8 tones, and a bandwidth of 250 Hz.
Click here to see the above image in larger resolution

Also, do not quickly switch to other modes without calling CQ for at least a five-minute window. It is really horrid when people call CQ and change settings, modes, bandwidths, tones, every time they call CQ during the same session!

Join the OLIVIA COMMUNITY Online!

There are several key resources that we in the Olivia community are developing, to make it easier for you to enter into the great world of Olivia. One is an active support e-mail group to which you can subscribe at https://groups.io/g/Olivia -- a group containing topical areas of interest which can be filtered so that you are not flooded by email containing topics of which you are not interested. It has a files section, as well, in which we will add helpful how-to instructions and so on.

Another resource is our Facebook group, at https://www.Facebook.com/groups/olivia.hf -- also with a files area containing help files. This group is a great resource for getting help from like-minded Olivia digital mode enthusiasts.

Check out some eavesdropping on an Olivia QSO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lv9dshac78

And, three more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjiBVsXrzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7a--ePSNs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7TlGEuStx4

One last note: Olivia is NOT a weak-signal mode. There are no points won by barely making a contact. In the USA FCC regulations, you are directed to use only the power necessary to make the QSO. Typically, with poor propagation, using Olivia with an output power of 100w is the minimum to establish a reliable circuit. You just cannot go beyond your rig's duty cycle (don't burn out the finals in your radio!). You also must be sure that you do not overdrive the audio chain into your radio. Be sure that you do not have RF coming back into your audio chain. Yes, 100 watts is acceptable. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

Welcome to Olivia! See you on the waterfall.

73 de NW7US

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FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by N3HKN on January 26, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks --- This type of synopsis is needed to focus Amateur Comms actions. The more diverse we are with our communications the less people there are using the more common forms. This type of article makes Olivia a legitimate basic form of Ham communications. It should rank with CW, phone, SSTV, FM DRM, etc. We are a limited sized community. A very good comms protocol can simply fade unless its potential is recognized and a coalition is formed to use it widely. Again thanks.
Dick
N3HKN
 
FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by NY7Q on January 26, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I HAVE GIVEN UP ON DIGITAL MODES AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF PLAYING WITH THEM. JUST TOO BORING FOR ME. I LOVE CW AND SSB.
 
FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by AB9TA on January 26, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for an excellent article! Olivia is an exceptional mode for reliable communications in even the worst conditions. It's always been underappreciated, and I'm glad people are starting to see the value of working Olivia. I've had some of my best QSO's with some very insightful hams on Olivia.
A few points on the article:
- On 160M, the suggested operating window is 1835 to 1837.9 KHz, but the center frequency listed earlier is 1.8269, which falls outside the operating window, I'm thinking this is a typo, should it actually be 1.8369? That would be inside the window.
- On 80M, the window is listed as 3571 to 3573.9, however, I see Olivia activity mainly in the 3582 to 3590 area, at least in the Midwest. The main advantage seems to be that this gives us 8KHz of space to operate in.
- I would respectfully disagree with the idea that Olivia is not a weak signal mode. It was specifically designed for operation over less than optimal paths, including weak signals.
While you are correct that it is perfectly legal to use 100W, (or up to full legal limit if desired!), most Olivia operators that I've worked are usually at around 10-25W, and that seems to be adequate for almost all conditions. In my experience, if the other station isn't hearing me at 25W, switching to 100W usually doesn't improve things.
I'm afraid that that last paragraph might be misinterpreted by some hams who would run 100W at all times (with the potential of over-driving, RF feedback, and splatter), or worse, hams who can only work QRP would be dissuaded from even trying Olivia.
Olivia works surprisingly well at low power, and I would encourage anyone stepping into Olivia to start off in the 25W range. And, I would also encourage anyone with a QRP setup to try Olivia, 5W is a perfectly reasonable power level, you won't lose out on many QSO's even at QRP levels.

Other than that, again, thanks for a very well researched and executed article. Hopefully 2018 sees a large uptick in Olivia use!

73!
Bill AB9TA
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by AC7CW on January 26, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Great write-up! Thanks very much.

The word "burnout" in the context of a hobby reminds me of a ham I knew. He had such a high stress job that the had physical ailments. On weekends he was a high scoring contester!
 
FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by KE6SLS on January 26, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

I recommend FLdigi software, it DOES sport both RS ID and TX ID, but it also has lots of great apps that come with it. Another great thing is that this software work on Linux, Microsoft, and Apple operating systems.

You can get your copy here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fldigi/

Olivia is a pretty amazing mode, it will manage to copy signals I can't even hear through the noise and qsb. It is slow, but very aggressive.

Have fun out there!
73
jaye
 
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by GM1FLQ on January 26, 2018 Mail this to a friend!


.........https://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/750x428p/photos.demandstudios.com/getty/article/26/92/stk63834cor.jpg
 
FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by DL8OV on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I was a fan of Olivia in the 1970's, I wondered what she is doing now:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OnUYahcFVRk/VLbVqJemDyI/AAAAAAAACMI/OKFWxkyIXKg/s1600/olivia-newton-john.jpg

Peter DL8OV

P.S. Yes, the link is safe :)
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by NN2X on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
In short, Olivia is superior than CW, BSPK 31, and you can have a rag chew, with plenty of DX..

When band conditions are in a low, I can't understand why it is not more popular!!!!!!!!!

I have been touting & promoting Olivia for a while

Olivia is about 10 db more efficient than BPSK31, Olivia works at -13 dB below the noise floor...I like the mode 500 /8 as the typing speeds is about 30 WPM..

I was on this morning I did work some DX, but most Hams loved the robotic FT8, or BPSK31..FT8 only signal reports, and BPSK31 is not as efficient (Need more power X 10, or larger antenna), when compared to Olivia!!!!!

 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by W8QZ on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I'm confused:

"Since Olivia signals can be decoded even when received signals are extremely weak, (signal to noise ratio of -14db), signals strong enough to be decoded are sometimes below the noise floor . . . . . "

and

"One last note: Olivia is NOT a weak-signal mode. . . . ."

Which is it?

In my personal (and limited) Olivia experience, I've not seen good decodes on weak Olivia signals. YMMV
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by W4KVW on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
How did your computer get tired or Burned Out? It does the entire contact so I can't understand how a person could get tired or burned out using FT-8 even on a very busy day??? There is an Invention called a Microphone that if wired properly it may be plugged into the transmitter or transceiver & you may actually talk to other humans on the air.I know it sounds like a wild dream but it really works & it requires No Computer at all.It's AMAZING these transceivers with microphones!

Clayton
W4KVW
 
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by BURGERLOVER65 on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Olivia traffic is non existent just like jt9. How can anyone work Olivia modes when no one is there?
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by NN2X on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Let me respond to BURGERLOVER65 & W8QZ

BURGERLOVER65 (I assume you are a Ham operator)

There are activities for Olivia, try calling CQ on 14.072...Of course if you are using HRD / DM780 make sure before the CQ call have <RSID>..You will get response....Please be advised it does require a QSO, not macro type of mode..

W8QZ, I will assume you tried BPSK31, Generally you need at least a few dB above the noise floor to close the link. For those of us who like to work DX, Olivia, provides the advantage to close at least 10dB advantage over BPSK31...This helps! Oh, it is really keen on QSB as well...

With the band conditions as they are, DX is alive and well with Olivia!
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by BURGERLOVER65 on January 27, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I transmitted cq over an hour today on 20 meters 8-250 beginning 1830z running about 30 watts. No Olivia activity whatsoever.

When done I went down to psk-31 and had two qsos so my antenna and radio were working fine.

Dave
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by GM1FLQ on January 28, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"There is an Invention called a Microphone that if wired properly it may be plugged into the transmitter or transceiver & you may actually talk to other humans on the air.I know it sounds like a wild dream but it really works & it requires No Computer at all.It's AMAZING these transceivers with microphones!"

Geez, you'll never sell it like that - firstly you need to tell the sheeples it's a digital microphone, show it on a boom mount and then include "Pro" somewhere in the model number......
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by PU2OZT on January 28, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Make sure such boom is a replica of the very ones used at El-Alamein or Diên Biên Phu for the survivalist crowd

Oliver
 
FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by VE3TMT on January 28, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I tried putting the Olivia.dll file into MixW. Mode still does not show up under mode tab. I am using MixW version 3.2.102 REGISTERED.

Needs an overhaul.
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by NN2X on January 28, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
To GM1FLQ

I love SSB myself, (Voice),..And a like DX even more..

Even though I have an Amplifier (5KW), and mono banders for 10, 15 and 20, I find it easier to work DX using digital modes and since I like to rag chew (Actual QS0), Olivia is the best digital mode for this..

The bands are dead (Zero Sunspots and the K factor through the roof), the only way to meet my goals (Work DX), is Digital modes..

And further, many ham stations are using dipoles, or small set ups, so again, good thing Digital modes are an option for these fellow Ham operators (By the way over 70% of Ham use only a dipole, with a 100 watts..)
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by K0UA on January 28, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I like a good SSB phone contact as well as the next guy, but with conditions as they are, it is more difficult to make and keep good phone contacts going on the upper bands. It is easy to make digital contacts in these poorer conditions. Olivia is a great mode, and I have worked it a few times, BUT we as a group MUST establish calling frequency's on each band, There is too much spreading out and not enough channelization. And instead of have a dozen Olivia protocols, we need to establish one. This is one reason FT8 has flourished. There is one FT8, and you know exactly where to find it on any band. There is no "tuning around", and calling CQ without an answer is non existent. There are so many other conversational digital modes, that the conversational landscape is diluted. If we are going to all agree on Olivia, that is fine, but we need to abandon the others or it will never catch fire and get going. There are far more FT8 users than ALL other digital modes combined. And all this happened in less than 6 months. One other reason besides, the lure of easy DX with low power and small antennas, is the FACT, that many hams cannot type, and have NOTHING to say to each other. Many could not carry a conversation in a bucket. With FT8, you don't need to type, and you don't need to talk. And this is a wonderful thing for many hams. But of course there are hams that can type pretty well, and can carry on a conversation, and I am one of them.
 
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by GM1FLQ on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"The bands are dead (Zero Sunspots and the K factor through the roof), the only way to meet my goals (Work DX),......"


Oh dear how terribly awful for you, how dare the bands be dead & not provide you with the ideal conditions to "meet" your "goals"........

As often the case, the impression given is that there is some kind of "must" for you (and others) to work dx - but let's get this right, this is a hobby and the only requirement here is the self imposed one you are choosing to apply......

 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by GM1FLQ on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"With FT8, you don't need to type, and you don't need to talk. And this is a wonderful thing for many hams."

.....and unless perhaps you have some sort of impairment/disability, that's a pretty sad indictment to the point that it's almost laughable.....
 
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by K0UA on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
GM1FLQ, were you always this way? In other words were you born an axehole or did you become one in later life? Because your axehole index is off the charts. You are the most negative, hateful, distasteful person I have ever seen. Is there an award for that?
 
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by GM1FLQ on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
K0UA, coming from you/your ilk, that's a splendid badge of honour you have bestowed upon me.

Toodle-oo.......
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by N9AOP on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, the same stuff could be said of Domino; Domino-EX; Contestia; Thor.
Art
 
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by K8QV on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I find the IDEA of digital modes interesting. In practice, just too boring. In my career I spent too much time on a computer only to use it as my hobby, with a radio being only incidental to the operation. The original digital mode, CW, seems inherently more interesting and challenging. Oddly, people are now typing on a computer, running it through a radio and calling it CW. Whatever floats your cork.
 
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by K6CRC on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Good info. Well written article, thanks to the author.
What WSJT brings that other Digital Modes do not is a decent application that WORKS.
After screwing around with CocoModem and Fidigi on my Mac, I gave up on digital modes. How many dials and controls do you REALLY need? WSJT changed all that.
Without starting an OS war, there are a LOT of Mac and Linux users out there, and that has added to the success of FT8, as WSJT-X runs native in Win, MacOS, and Linux.
If you want other modes to succeed, someone needs to create an app that works as well as WSJT-X.
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by N0YXB on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for a well written article. Ignore the naysayers, I don't see them writing articles.
 
RE: FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by K0UA on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"K0UA, coming from you/your ilk, that's a splendid badge of honour you have bestowed upon me.

Toodle-oo......."

Your very welcome. Wear it in good health.
 
VE3TMT read this. Reply
by WB4M on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I tried putting the Olivia.dll file into MixW. Mode still does not show up under mode tab. I am using MixW version 3.2.102 REGISTERED.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Click on FILE, then EXTRA, then MODES. Select any mode you wish to install and download. Those modes should automatically be installed in the proper place in your MixW directory. You can check by clicking on MODE on the top line beside OPTIONS. You should now see Olivia in the modes column. Adjust BW & tones in Modes Settings in the same column. Hope this works for you, 73.
 
Not popular for a reason.. or two. Reply
by WB4M on January 29, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Forget it, Olivia will never be popular. PSK31 killed off RTTY ragchews and replaced them with "macro QSO's". Now FT8 offers much quicker and easier DX'ing and awards chasing. That may not be your thing but it is to very many hams.
I like the "exotic modes", and they were all chat modes, but they are virtually extinct now. Olivia is a niche mode that will have a handful of followers and a few passers-by but thats all. As for FT8, it's not going anywhere soon, especially with the ARRL's grid chase.
 
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by GM1FLQ on January 30, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
"Without starting an OS war, there are a LOT of Mac and Linux users out there, and that has added to the success of FT8, as WSJT-X runs native in Win, MacOS, and Linux."

One of the many virtues of the ham radio/Apple community integration, the Radio Happle.........

https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/47-Yn6sYL2tMiGbAxbxzo9CYlRU=/fit-in/970x0/2014/09/17/c6450101-0599-4098-a42b-9ae485e8b489/airvr1.jpg

 
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by K3FHP on January 30, 2018 Mail this to a friend!


Microphones are no good...I can't find a place to plug my bug into it....
 
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by K3FHP on January 30, 2018 Mail this to a friend!


Microphones are no good...I can't find a place to plug my bug into it....
 
FT8 Burnout? Cure Available Now Reply
by BURGERLOVER65 on January 30, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
I had fun using Olivia a few years ago but lately everyone is on the JT modes. I suppose I can attempt to make a sked with someone but that takes away the spontenaiety as they say. The most fun hamming before, now, and in the future is cw in the middle of the night when you think the band is dead but isn't. That's magical - goosebump time!

Dave
 
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by N1YRK on January 30, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
IMHO, Olivia and its design philosophy about conversational communication is far superior to FT8. If FT8 is to be useful, the amount of data it carries must be expanded.
 
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by W4KVW on January 31, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
QUOTE:Microphones are no good...I can't find a place to plug my bug into it...

I own a 20 lb sledge hammer & it has had no issues fixing any bug of any kind.Send me yours & I can also fix it at No Charge because I'm a nice guy & just want to help.I will send pictures showing the Bug has been taken care of so you don't worry about it ever again. {:>)

Clayton
W4KVW
 
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by VE1YY on January 31, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Until four years ago, a ham in the Yukon and I weekly used Olivia. It was 'bullet proof' despite aurora, solar storms, and a sked where the Yukon station was at its local noon.

A ham in Greece introduced me to ROS and he and I QSO'd twice weekly with better results than Olivia provided (based on A-B tests).

Soon all three of us were using ROS as it was even more capable than Olivia. We regrettably never were able to engage in a round table with either mode, propagation not favouring Greece - Yukon.

Thanks for the thoughtful and well prepared article.

Bill
 
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by AC2RY on January 31, 2018 Mail this to a friend!
Actually FT8 can be used for extended communications. You can continue to exchange FT8 messages for as long as you want, adding few more characters with each message. But you need to understand that FT8 and its siblings are ONE WAY communication method. It can be used to broadcast useful data - like callsign and frequency on which you are listening in Olivia or even SSB modes. All we need is that authors of this mode released source code of ecoder/decoder. Than others will make all sort of tools using that code, for all kinds of use cases.
 
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by GM1FLQ on February 4, 2018 Mail this to a friend!

"Actually FT8 can be used for extended communications. You can continue to exchange FT8 messages for as long as you want, adding few more characters with each message. But you need to understand".......

.........that some might not cope with more than a handful of characters, it could be a bit too much for them & they may need a lie down......
 
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