Ham Radio Chat on IRC
Tyler (KC7YCL)
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January 18, 2003
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Hams are all about chatting it's fun! It's always handy to be able to talk to someone whenever you want, about whatever you want. But what do you do when you're fiddling with your radio equipment and it's temporarily off the air? Or, what if you'd simply like to instantly arrange a QSO to test propagation in various parts of the world? Try IRC!
IRC stands for Internet Relay Chat - it's a network of chat servers on the Internet. One of the oldest IRC chat groups, or "channels" as we call them, is in fact, the #hamradio channel. It had its beginnings in the earliest days of EFnet, the world's first IRC network.
You need an IRC program (a "client") in order to access the EFnet IRC network. For Linux, I prefer Xchat, available with most Linux distributions, and for Windows I normally use mIRC which can be downloaded at www.mirc.com .
Once you have a client running, join the EFnet IRC network and then join the #hamradio channel. You may use your call sign for your nickname or, "nick", if you want. The pound symbol - # - is required in front of channel names.
Once you're in, you'll notice lots of people with an "at" symbol - @ - in front of their nicks. This signifies that they are channel operators ("ops" or "chanops"). They have special powers that allow them to perform administrative duties for the channel. Unlike the FCC, ops won't hesitate to kick you from the channel if you misbehave. Some of the ops are particularly cranky, so if you accidentally annoy one of them and get kicked, don't worry about it, it's usually only temporary.
The official #hamradio website is at
http://hamradio.efnet.net/ - it's got some useful information that'll help you get started on the right foot with the other users of #hamradio. Don't forget to check out the member profiles and add your own too.
My nick is badon, but if I'm not actively chatting, my nick will be badonaway. Come chat with us!
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by KC7YCL on December 22, 2002
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Just as I finished this article, jafo (N5IQ), began randomly kicking and banning people from #hamradio and he's also started blocking them completely from the EFnet network. As such, I apologize for recommending the #hamradio IRC group to eham.net users. It's likely to be an unpleasant experience to those that aren't familiar with the eccentric personalities involved.
Several of us have moved to the irc.openprojects.net IRC server to join the #hamradio channel there. It's much friendlier than EFnet's #hamradio, and just as fun to use. Not to mention all of the other excellent channels available on the OpenProjects network - type /list to see them all. To join us there, simply type /server irc.openprojects.net and then once you've connected, type /join #hamradio - once again, you'll find me there as badon. Aurelius, KC8TIH (EgoG3), and several of the other regulars will be happy to help you along. See you there.
Have fun chatting, hamming, and IRC'ing!
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by KC7YCL on January 6, 2003
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Update: On the EFnet network, the offshoot channel #hamradio2 has been very active. You might want to stop there first.
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by AD5IU on January 18, 2003
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I don't seem to be able to find any irc.openprojects.net IRC servers (or openprojects, etc.)
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by KC8TIH on January 18, 2003
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Back in August 2002, we phased out all irc.openprojects.net IRC servers, and we changed our name to Freenode. You can simply change irc.openprojects.net to irc.freenode.net and then join #hamradio to chat there. I am a regular on the #hamradio channel, as well as the main administration channel, and I strive to answer all questions aimed at me, so if in doubt, just ask!
73s!
KC8TIH (EgoG3 on IRC)
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by K1ZF on January 18, 2003
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Give me a break.
This is supposed to be a Ham Radio site. If you want to use the internet, fine. Go there and leave us alone.
K1ZF
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by VE6BGM on January 18, 2003
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What has talking into a computer got to do with Ham RADIO? I can see IRLP since one must use a ham RADIO at both ends. But talking into a computer without RF? Just my thoughts.
73
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by KA1EZE on January 18, 2003
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bgm, it's not talking, it's text.
And zf, don't you realize where you are now?
rick
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by KE1MB on January 19, 2003
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Well I could see how people could find things to talk about there involving ham radio. I know I use email to talk about radio related issues to other hams I know. The article sounded nice to start but as I read on it seemed to take on a nasty touch. People who get their kicks by keeping others from joining? Personility issues?
I don't think so.
I try my best to find friendly places to go when I play radio.
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by KG6JEV on January 19, 2003
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VE6BGM, you're 59 into Northern California. Can I QSL direct or via the bureau?
Sorry. It just doesn't have the same feel as radio. Think I'll stick to using the computer for logging/SSTV/digital modes and using the radio for talkin'.
73,
Steven
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by KG4PZZ on January 19, 2003
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KG6JEV - "Think I'll stick to using the computer for logging/SSTV/digital modes and using the radio for talkin'."
Isn't Eham.net talking with your computer? Just wondering.
Most of the #irc things I have seen in the past were more of discussions than they were IRLP or EchoLink. Not quite the same as a discussion board on Eham.net, but definately not set up to try to pass off a discussion as a QSO...
I haven't been in the hobby too long, but I have to frown at everybody that resists change and new ideas to the hobby. I didn't get my license to talk around the world or anything (all though I really enjoy that) -- I worked hard for it because I thought I might get to be part of something 'big' in radio developement. If that next big thing happens to involve the internet, so be it. I wonder if you all caused this much of a fuss when people started using keyers instead of a straight key (oh, wait -- CW is almighty CW, can't go wrong there :- )
Just my thoughts
Fred KG4PZZ
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by K8CPA on January 19, 2003
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I went there before, channel was dead. no one there...
One to stay, far, far, away from is #CQDX on WorldIrc
Too many LIDS.
food for thought...
73 de K8CPA
-Chuck
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by M0RSE on January 19, 2003
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I wonder if its possible for any article on eham to exist without someone turning it into a slam against CW.....
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by HFHAM2 on January 19, 2003
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Yes, wonderful idea! Expanding on this, we could also have ham radio 'chat' via carrier pigeon or by flying Radio Controlled Airplanes to each other with little messages attached to their wheels, etc.
OR, we could dispense with all that boring radio stuff and chat about something else! What fun!
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by K3NG on January 19, 2003
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IRC is a bad, bad neighborhood, IMO. I can't think of a worse way to spend your time on the Internet, other than perhaps getting into flame wars on Usenet. I'm surprised anyone would recommend IRC these days, especially as it relates to ham radio. It's full of mean, cynical people with no lives. IRC as a system is antiquated and inefficient and discussions have a low signal to noise ratio from what I've seen. If you really feel liking typing your life away, get on PSK. You'll certainly have more fun.
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Not exactly the people I want to spend time with
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by N0TONE on January 20, 2003
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I went to the webpage mentioned, and I think I will not join the group. The two members who have pictures and profiles posted seem to be promoting a somewhat "elusive" persona, not particularly open. One chap's photograph seemed to carry an "I dare you" character to it. That is not the warm and friendly ham radio of which I choose to partake.
And chaps, those of you who say "it isn't ham radio", you have to acknowledge that we hams do a lot of things for which we don't need a license.
QST magazine, for instance, isn't ham radio -- or is it? It doesn't require a license and it's not on the air, but I say it IS part of ham radio. Same with QSL cards. One needn't have a license to exhange them - many of us have QSL cards from SW stations to whom we've sent reports.
And this eham website. I dare say this: if the bands are open, and you're at home, and you want to "do" ham radio, you don't fire up the computer. You turn on the rig. The 'net is a place to go to get propagation forecasts (if you are enough of a DXer to care) or to look up callsigns, but it is NOT a substitute for a "real" QSO. If it were, then why did you get a license to transmit in the first place?
And to answer the naysayers who are reading this very posting: I am working from an office rather away from home for a few weeks, and had no permission to bring rigs with me. Else, I'd have tossed a wire out the hotel window and would be making QSOs this very moment.
Hams who prefer to chat on the 'net, whether it's email reflectors, IRC or something else, tend to be the sort who like to start arguments with no real message, like to be bigger than they really are and seem to have a need to feel important. For an example of the kind of argumentative sorts who always want the last word, who tend to populate the 'net more than the radio waves, see:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/k8cpa/k8cpa.htm
And that's a ham who THINKS he's got his act together! He runs a rig that he could never afford, that came from the passing of a fellow ham, and right on his webpage, he admits to using a commercially-built antenna that anybody could build, particularly someone with no regular job. Yet somehow, he feels empowered to advocate to others how they should behave. It's even worse from those who KNOW they are going off half-cocked!
Those of you who are typing at the PC when you could be on the air making a "live" contact, I feel sorry. I'd trade places in a moment.
AM
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by WA4PTZ on January 20, 2003
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I believe the original intent of the author has it's
good points. When I have been in the process of
moving and have not been able to get on the bands
I too have experienced an empty spot in my life and
for those times it would have been fun to have an
alternative that would allow me to chat with my
fellow hams. If this #channel lived up to that, then
perhaps it would be more fun. Instead....from the
comments listed I take it that it is a haven for
those undedicated, uncommited wannabes who are
trying to impress everyone, or rather dazzle and
baffle everyone because they are not HAMS. I get
enough of false personnas in real life , I sure as
hell don't want to be surrounded by them in my spare
time. It appears that the moderator has good reason
to kick these dweebs off. I shall investigate and
determine for myself.
73 - Tim
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by K5DVW on January 20, 2003
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Wow, what happened to turning on the radio to chat? Like to type instead? Try PSK31.
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by N8QQ on January 20, 2003
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Man, what a surly bunch. "I hate anything I'm not interested in." Bah. It's always entertaining when people make disparaging comments against things they don't seem to know much about.
The fact is, the hams who discuss things on EFNet are some of the most technically oriented hams I've ever run across. Most of the bad comments I've read here are totally unfounded.
> K1ZF: "Give me a break. This is supposed to be a Ham Radio
> site. If you want to use the internet, fine. Go there and
> leave us alone. "
Did you catch the part about this particular IRC channel being a channel specifically relating to ham radio? No different than if someone suggested a good ham-related web site or email list.
> KD5RGJ: "IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE LIKE "10-4 GOOD BUDDY" TO ME"
That's funny coming from somebody typing in all caps.
> K3NG: I'm surprised anyone would recommend IRC these
> days, especially as it relates to ham radio. It's full
> of mean, cynical people with no lives. IRC as a system
> is antiquated and inefficient and discussions have
> a low signal to noise ratio from what I've seen.
There are certainly channels on IRC like you mention, but normally EFNet #hamradio is not like that. It has its moments, but rare. Like any other grouping of people, there are different types of personalities.
The #hamradio channel on EFNet has varied discussions of all types. New people trying to get their licenses, detailed conversations about construction projects, people trying to hook up for a QSO, and often technical help you couldn't get locally or over the air. Very high signal to noise ratio 90% of the time.
And how is IRC antiquated or inefficient? The protocol does have some age on it, but I'd defy you to come up with something that's more efficient that has any kind of population. You might say Jabber, but then nobody's really using it yet, and all the clients are klunky at best so far. What's a good alternative where you'd find a similar number of technically oriented people in one spot? I can't think of any.
> N0TONE: The two members who have pictures and profiles
> posted seem to be promoting a somewhat "elusive" persona,
> not particularly open. One chap's photograph seemed to
> carry an "I dare you" character to it. That is not the warm
> and friendly ham radio of which I choose to partake.
I think you've mistaken attempts at bad humor for elusiveness. Certainly you realize that those pictures and bios are jokes. And I'd hardly call the profiles "elusive" given that there are links to fairly comprehensive web sites listed for both of them. And even beyond that, there are call signs in the profiles. Hardly elusive. Speaking of which ... what kind of call is N0TONE? And what about your profile here on eham.net? Now THAT'S elusive.
And the person who's web page you mentioned is not typical of something you'd find on IRC, or on the Internet at all for that matter. Again, the conversation is largely technical or related to gear. You see one web page on the Internet and automatically associate that with the average ham who has any kind of presence on the Internet? That's a horrible generalization, and it's dead wrong.
Bravo to those who mentioned that it's not some sort of attempt at replacement for communicating via radio, but a place to discuss the hobby for those who enjoy a real-time medium. No different in purpose than email lists, Usenet, or this forum on e-ham.net.
Brad N8QQ
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by APPLET on January 20, 2003
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The idea of creating a chatroom for amateur radio, be it on IRC or elsewhere is wonderful. This is a great opportunity to receive "live" feedback from fellow hams, rather than just posting a question/concern on an amateur radio board and waiting for someone to answer the question. Also a pure "text" channel, may not require the use of an an actual radio; however, it still serves the purpose to promote amateur radio, even to non-hams.
The intangible "gap" between amateur radio and computers is drawing closer and closer. In order to fully appreciate amateur radio in todays era, we must accept that the internet and computers play a great role in our hobby.
73's
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by NB6Z on January 20, 2003
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When I "chat", I want to use my radio equipment and antennas, that is why I got into this hobby. No, this eHam forum is not the same as internet chatrooms, we are only expressing our opinions on the subject. I'm not slamming ham chatrooms, just expressing my opinion. :-)
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by WD8MGO on January 20, 2003
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I just look at IRC as another tool of a means of communication. The New FarOut Club here in Dayton Ohio has EchoLink on the 147.135Mhz repeater and it is fascinating who is on the network. You may hear someone from New Dehli India or Louisville Kentucky.
I would like to such a system used for more than liking in repeaters but HF or perhaps?
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by N6RT on January 20, 2003
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I also see IRC as a tool and as a way to share an audience with other hams with similar interests whether it be DXing, contesting, VHF, digital modes, etc. A channel I run (http://dx.qsl.net/cqdx for info) is geared more towards DXers and contesters since it has a continuous stream of DX spots, WWV reports, real time solar flare alerts, and other goodies in addition to the regular chat facility.
I love getting on the air, chasing DX, working a contest, or whatever. But to me, it's also fun to go somewhere to see what others with similar interests are up to.
73, Doug
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by VE6BGM on January 20, 2003
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If were going to "chat", "talk" whatever over/through a computer, why do we need our amateur frequencies?
73
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by KB0JQO on January 21, 2003
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Gee, why don't you just stop coming to eham and posting in the forums then, and find someone on the radio to gripe about the internet with.
Its inaccurate to call one form of internet communications with hams stupid, and then take up another form of it.
We run a channel on undernet (not #hamradio, those jerks kept banning us for listening). And we discuss ham radio related things, we also hop on the air regularly (sats mostly, sometimes 40m) and use irc to AUGMENT the experience, not substitute it.
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by KC7YCL on January 21, 2003
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VE6BGM, you have a good point, if all we want to do is chat, talk, or whatever, we don't really need amateur frequencies at all. Are you advocating the elimination of amateur radio, the internet, the postal service, and cell phones, all in favor of face to face conversation with our voices? HAH!
The fact is, the year is 2003 and the age of communications is blossoming. Open your mind to something that might enhance your hobby. It doesn't have to be IRC, since IRC is a pretty esoteric communication method that not everyone will like, but certainly don't question the vitality of radio just because some of us use it. If you've ever been on IRC, you'll immediately realize that IRC is very different from using a radio. It's not going to make radio obsolete.
By the way, if you hunt through the articles on eham, you might find one of my old articles about wirelessly interfacing a calculator to IRC via an amateur radio link. Communication is the end goal, period.
by VE6BGM on January 20, 2003
If were going to "chat", "talk" whatever over/through a computer, why do we need our amateur frequencies?
73
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by AF4BH on January 21, 2003
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Started doing "chat" stuff on PDP-77 back in the 80's. Been there, done that. Dislike IRC beyond academic years. Just never liked the idea that I had to glue to the keyboard and monitor and type away my life for no constructive reasons except having to try to become the "@" in the room. Good for nothing except to kick, band, and mute people to satisfy personal ego.
Technology has given this "chatting" internet experience a new lease of life. VoIP is everywhere with IRLP, EchoLink, ILink, eQSO, NetMeeting, and the like. Why will people still like the keyboard and a tiny window I don't know. All I know is that teenagers still like to tap their cellphones away with those 25 cents per message deal that adds to over $100+ bill a month.
Maybe it is not the so-called #hamradio (or HAM RADIO)aspect that keeps people doing it day-in and day-out. Maybe they are the keyboarding + ego thing that keep younger people from doing more creative things. Maybe it is that people just simply have too much time to burn.
Enough said.
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by KC7YCL on January 21, 2003
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AF4BH: you know, there's not a single thing you said that I disagree with. For the most part, online chat is a total waste of time. BUT, if you're using it for collaboration, it can be a lifesaver. There's been times when I had a problem I had to solve NOW that was completely stumping me - 10 seconds on IRC talking to someone was all it took to get me back on track.
If you want to talk about something technical like amateur radio, programming, rocketry, or electronics, there's nothing better than IRC. USENET is wonderful too, but you may have to wait a day or two for a reply.
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by W5JWP on January 21, 2003
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I must say I agree with KB0JQO in that it is very inappropriate to bash one form of internet communication and then turn around to support another. Many say that typing on IRC is not what Ham Radio is all about, but yet you continue to send messages to this forum, which I will remind you, is a textual mode of communication on the internet.
However, aside from all of the arguing, if anyone would like to join a technical group on IRC you are always welcome to drop by #AmateurRadio on the Undernet IRC Network (http://www.undernet.org).
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by VE6BGM on January 22, 2003
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ONE of the reason I got into Amateur Radio was to be able to talk and listen [over radio/RF means]to the varied areas of Amateur Radio. However, now I am concerned that these computer aided contacts [where often only one end uses RF or both ends do not use RF at all] is going to lead to the loss of Amateur Bands. Certainly, lots has been said on e-Ham about the commercial interests in our Bands. These computer talk/chat rooms are leaving our RF bands empty. Repeaters and simplex frequencies in Calgary are silent 99% of the time, yet people are on echolink, eqso, etc., etc.. If I could listen, discuss aspects of Amateur Radio over the air, I would not need to reply to these discussion groups on a computer. Yes, there are times when one needs to utilize a computer, but Amateur Radio is that [RADIO], not computer.
73
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by KG6MWP on January 22, 2003
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Good grief. I am and have been a part of many hobbies. In General, hams as a group have by far the worst attitude toward changes toward their hobby than any group I've ever seen. Reminds me of hearing my grandmother badmouth all the cars that went too fast on the freeway "...in my day cars were so much safer, they would only do about 40mph". And we wonder why the hobby is hurting for participation.
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by NY4T on January 23, 2003
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I guess I must qualify as a lid, then. I think the #CQDX channel on WorldIRC is great. I have made a lot of friends there. It is a nice place to hang out and talk DX or even work the other ops who are on the channel. Nothing like having your audio checked out by someone in LU rather than across town. This is also a great place to get real-time packet spots for DX'ing or if you are operating multi in a contest. I have visited some of the other hamradio chat channels in the past but have found nothing to compare to #CQDX. If you would like more information, including how to connect using just your browser, go here: http://dx.qsl.net/cqdx/
73,
Lee Hall (NY4T)
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by OK1FOU on January 27, 2003
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I am afraid I could not find anybody to talk to last weekend... #hamradio at freenode.net looked like 12m band most of the time.
There were some people logged in, but obviously all these guys seem to have a permanent connection, so in fact nobody was there. Except maybe do1grb who left after a while.
73 Jindra
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by KC8TIH on August 18, 2003
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All I know is that teenagers still like to tap their cellphones away with those 25 cents per message deal that adds to over $100+ bill a month.
Maybe it is not the so-called #hamradio (or HAM RADIO)aspect that keeps people doing it day-in and day-out. Maybe they are the keyboarding + ego thing that keep younger people from doing more creative things. Maybe it is that people just simply have too much time to burn.
Enough said.
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What exactly do you mean by that? Do you think that the younger people on this earth do nothing but chat on IRC or talk their life away on a cellphone? If you do, thats rediculous!
You have to remember, there *are* younger ham radio operators out there (like myself)...true the age ratio from young to older ham radio operators is quite different, but that shouldn't matter. This is a *hobby*. Also, you need to realize that there aren't a lot of teenagers that have the money to invest in such an expensive hobby such as amateur radio. I include myself in saying that, because I do not own any HF radios at present, but I'm not losing interest because of that. I am studying to upgrade my license, (am presently a tech with code), and saving up to get a nice radio. In the meantime, I see IRC as a positive influence in meeting new hams and getting acquainted with them, as well as learning more about the hobby. Also, folks wanting to get into the hobby and wanting to get their first time Technician licenses pop up in IRC ham radio channels too. True, I've run into my share of lids on IRC, but the majority of the hams that I've run across I would say are of the better few individuals I've met on IRC.
So don't go singling IRC out just because you think its a "waste of time", when in all reality, its a breeding ground for new hams, and also a nice place to get ahold of a certain ham to strike a QSO with.
Just my 2 cents.
73s
Bobby - KC8TIH
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by KC8TIH on August 18, 2003
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From OK1FOU:
I am afraid I could not find anybody to talk to last weekend... #hamradio at freenode.net looked like 12m band most of the time.
There were some people logged in, but obviously all these guys seem to have a permanent connection, so in fact nobody was there. Except maybe do1grb who left after a while.
73 Jindra
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Unfortuantely, the #hamradio channel there gets like that. A lot of people work in that channel, and therefore, aren't at their screen. Another good few channels you can stop by is #hamradio2 on EFNet, as well as #AmateurRadio on Undernet.
Sorry for the inconvenience this apparently has caused.
KC8TIH (EgoG3 on Freenode)
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by KB9RHA on September 17, 2003
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K3NG stated,"IRC is a bad, bad neighborhood, IMO. I can't think of a worse way to spend your time on the Internet, other than perhaps getting into flame wars on Usenet".
LOL I'm not knocking you. I just wanted to state the obvious here. Stating an opinion about CW on this site will get you into a flame war as well. :D
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