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Ed Brooks (W5HTW)
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"Professional Amateurs"... Is That an Oxymoron?
Elsewhere on the web, an article suggests the FCC allow encryption to be practiced by amateur radio operators. The purpose of encryption is to hide something, and we hams have nothing to hide. We are a hobby. That's all that needs to be said on that subject.
Of course, I am very aware of the word "Service" in our name, which many hams feel obligates us to provide a "service" to the public. We do have that capability, yet it is obvious it is not a requirement, since the vast majority of hams do not do so. If it were a requirement, by nature of the fact we are the Amateur Radio Service, then it would also be a requirement of the Citizens' Radio Service (CB) as well as Family Radio Service, the General Mobile Radio Service, and even the Wireless Telecom Service. Also we would probably have to keep accurate logs of our service to the public, in order to have and renew our ham licenses, to justify our existence and our right to participate in this hobby.
That is not the case. You are not even obligated to use your cellular phone to seek assistance in an emergency, such as passing an accident on the highway. We in amateur radio are first and foremost a hobby, and our numbers prove that beyond a doubt.
However, this is not the end of the story. In the February, 2003, QST magazine, though, NE2Q asks the question, "Are We Really Amateurs?" This Op-Ed piece suggests we lose the word ‘amateur' as it connotes a negative opinion among the general public. He suggest, paraphrased here, that the public does not want to see "Amateur Doctor," or "Amateur Police Officer" at the scene of their emergency, and likewise do not wish to see the term "Amateur Radio Operator" in relation to someone who is handling the communications for the emergency. Presumably, he would suggest we adopt the word and the manner, "professional."
He further suggests we have a nationally-standardized uniform, with letters on the windbreaker or jacket, similar to the ones used by the ATF, FBI, DEA, etc. His feeling is if we present a more professional image and drop the use of the word "amateur," we will be more recognizable in the eyes of the public and the media as knowing our jobs and being critical to performing them.
This stems from the "Gimme a badge and some authority" school of amateur radio that is permeating the hobby, and is another sign of the fact some of us vastly overrate our skills as well as our importance. No, "vastly" doesn't even begin to cover it! The very idea of a jacket with the letters "FECA" (Federal Emergency Communications Agency?) on the back conveys that we are professionals. But we aren't! They give the public the impression, "Here is an authority figure." This is so far out of line with the hobby of amateur radio it is simply unfathomable.
It is true a few of us are doctors, paramedics, police or fire officers, lawyers, and even pilots. The vast majority of hams, though, ARE amateurs, by every possible definition of the word. NE2Q asks, "Is it because we aren't paid for our services?" Of course not! It is because we do not have, nor do we seek to acquire, professional level skills. We do not do it for a living; we do it for fun. Very, very few of us are qualified professional communicators, and those who are, are so because of their employment or training in other than in ham radio. An amateur radio license does not make us a "Super-Hero", or expert at anything at all. Including radio, or emergency communications. Those who think that isn't true have highly inflated views of the hobby and its operators, most of whom are at the plug it in and go on the air level of skill.
But maybe, as I study the plan, it COULD work after all! Let's suppose those of us who wish to participate in coordinated emergency communications, get special training. Then we are issued a uniform and a badge, something that is standard across the nation. We go to a resident school to learn Federal Emergency Communications Administration procedures. We are issued a license that states, "Federal Radio Operator's License." Or, to differentiate from the General Radio Telephone License, we will call it the "Federal Emergency Radio Operator's License."
It will be in three classes. The entry level, as well as the apprentice, will wear a yellow hard hat at the scene of assistance. His license will be on yellow background, and his badge will state on it, "FECA Officer, Grade III." He will have taken and passed a basic Federal Emergency Radio Operator's course, to allow him to use the FECA procedures. He will wear a uniform that is similar in design to that of the DEA. His rank, which will range from beginner (Private) to Corporal, depending upon his experience, will be displayed on his sleeves in the form of stripes.
The next class will wear a red hard hat, which is the symbol in the construction and industrial field of the Foreman. He will have passed a more advanced test, and will have more stripes on his sleeves. His badge will have a pale red background, with the words, "FECA Officer, Grade II." He will also supervise the yellow hats, and assign duties within an emergency scene.
The top class will wear a white hat. As we all know, the white hard hats are the engineers, architects, construction superintendents, etc. The same applies here. He will wear the same basic uniform, but his rank will displayed in the form of gold or silver bars or oak leaves on his collar and his shoulder pads. His badge will have a silver background, and the words "FECA Officer, Senior Grade." He will have passed very advanced tests, and, in addition to being responsible for communications, he will interface with the heads of other emergency agencies, the FBI, DEA, ATF, and local and regional civil authorities. He will be responsible for disbursement of funds, writing of grants, and communications within a regional area. His rank will range from Second Lieutenant, through First Lieutenant and Captain, to Major. The head of the FECA will be a one-star General, and will be located in Washington, D.C.
All of these emergency radio operators will be issued not only uniforms and badges, but when on duty will be paid for their work. They will be issued radios that are channelized, and that operate on at least 12 channels in the VHF range of 158.000 to 170.000 MHZ, including two channels for repeaters. Repeaters will be encoded and encrypted, and completely inaccessible to radios without the continuous encrypted sub-audible data stream.
Regional FECA centers will have HF capabilities, using up to 1500 watts output on SSB, and encrypted data, on 4.3 to 4.8 MHZ, 6.6 to 6.9 MHZ, 10.2 to 10.7 MHZ, 13.4 to 13.8 MHZ, and 17.2 to 17.8 MHZ. (Yes, we know these ‘authority' guys would love to be able to hop onto the ham bands and order everyone to get off the frequency, but by assigning them their own frequencies, they will not have to deal with the "amateurs" at all.)
All equipment will be type accepted. All maintenance or adjustment of transmitter operations will be by holders of General Radio Telephone Operator's licenses. No Morse code operations will be permitted, even in emergency. All HF voice and data transmissions will be encrypted, and where possible, all VHF communications will be as well.
While the name of these operators will officially be "Federal Emergency Radio Operator," they may be called "Professional Radio Operators," as opposed to "Amateur Radio Operators."
Meantime, a quasi-parallel radio service, called the Amateur Radio Service will continue to perform volunteer duties where applicable, and will be fun for all who join it.
Ed
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by N7BUI on February 13, 2003
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I feel that Ed's article is a very cheap shot at those who provide emergency communications when normal channels are down due to natural disasters. Do you carry a grudge against those who practice at your local club for situations that we all hope will never come? Do you really take offense if they want to get some type of recogition for the time they put into emergency preparedness?
Yes we are a very diverse hobby with many different possible interests. Thats what keeps it interesting. I enjoy seeing the pride that my fellow amateur radio operators take when they are able to assist the local Red Cross, law enforcement, and even search and rescue by their PROFESSIONAL attitude AND training.
Try getting that type of assistance out of your local CB community.
George
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by KE6NUB on February 13, 2003
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I agree with the previous comment.
Having personally served in emergency communication I find it an especially interesting extension to the hobby of amateur radio. A professional demeanor arises from a mature person.
Those who voluntarily place themselves at a disadvantage in order to aid their communities deserve more than your cheap shots.
The next time your local 800 Mhz trunked and secured network goes down, and you can't get an ambulance to come to your heart attack. Don't call me.
P.S. If you really did have a point to make, it got lost in the sarcasim of your article.
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by WA4PTZ on February 13, 2003
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Ed,
Great article. I have walked this road of mindless
authority and I found myself asking some very
important questions.
(1) Did I choose Amateur Radio as a hobby or did
I choose it to be a big shot and appear more
important than I really am ?
(2) Is this service worth dying for ?
Answer 1 : As a hobby. The service aspect came
along after I had run the variuos modes
of radio and was looking to aid my fellow
man. If I had become a HAM for the chance
to obtain simulated authority it would be
for the wrong reason.
Answer 2 : No . I'm afraid that most of our felow
HAMs do not realize that when you don a
uniform and a badge and place a bright
colored vest or hat on you become a target.
That's right....as in sniper target, as in
DEATH !
I spent 5 years as a volunteer for my county's
Emergency Management Agency, 4 of those were as
the director of communications. I enjoyed helping
the local authorities and I was proud to share my
knowledge and skills. But....during a hostage
situation , while talking with a Sheriff's
Department friend he mentioned the bright colored
vest I was wearing and the Scotch Lite Hard-hat and
it all became very clear.
HAMs have been killed while performing public
service. Is this just another case of "goes with the
job ". I don't think it's an acceptable risk.
Maybe someday, if our country really needs us, in a
"Professional" manner. But for now I shall remain
and "AMATEUR".
73 - Tim
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Some people have too much free time.
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by KC5CQW on February 13, 2003
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All these wanna' be super hero's need to stop watching these X-Men movies. I work with a bunch of wanna' be's and they all get burned in there own time. We call it the "Para-God" syndrome in the EMS field. One "Ham-God" is all it takes to give us a bad image. If you want to be a real hero, let a child(ren) talk to the space station from your rig. Trust me, you'll be there hero. I let kids play with the lights and siren in my truck and they really love it. In other words, it's the small things in life that make a differance.
By the way, I'm a gen. class ham for 10 years, I have a GROL, and I was the comms. officer at my CAP sqad. for 2 yrs. does that make me a Pro? Not really. Why would I want to be a dispatcher when I could acually save someones life on the streets? You can only do so much over a phone/radio.
If you must be a PRO, go to emergency medical dispatch school and work in a 911 center. They need all the help they can get. 'Cuz there not that good... the PRO's that is...
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Re-run... QRZ responses get too boring?
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by N8VCL on February 13, 2003
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Hmmmm Deja vu....
http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=27191
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by KE4MOB on February 13, 2003
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I think the last line of the article is very subtle...to me, Ed is saying "Yes, you can have your jackets, hats, encryption, official titles, etc. but you know what? The system currently in place is working and will continue to work because it is based on a team of operators, not a bunch of officials."
This is not an article that is against emergency communications, it is a defense of the system currently in place.
Thanks Ed, for making us read and THINK!!
Steve, KE4MOB
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by AA5RS on February 13, 2003
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On February 2nd, our local RACES organization put out a call for amateur radio operators to assist in the Columbia retrieval operation in San Augustine, Texas. This request for assistance came from the on-site FBI Agent-in-Charge. Obviously he has had positive experiences with amateur radio operators in the past.
Because of the terrain, and the inability of many of the agencies involved to communicate with each other
on radio, amateur radio was THE communications for field operations. We may have been volunteer amateurs,
but during our time on-site we was treated as professionals.
We volunteer because it is what we can give back to our communities. Sometimes it's fun, and sometimes - like the operations in East Texas - it's not.
I don't want a badge, or a uniform. However, it would be nice to have (for those who are trained) some sort of nationally recognized ID card.
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by N0NB on February 13, 2003
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Very good work, Ed, and I hope you've sent a copy of this article to the editors of QST. Perhaps they will run it, perhaps not.
I was equal parts amused, dismayed, and annoyed by N2EQ's Op-Ed. I've been licensed nearly twenty years and I've been involved with emergency communications groups much of that twenty years and I didn't find anything in Ed's article that denigrated me for having done so. I do think Ed is pointing out a growing segment of hams that seem to have an authority complex. I think those that accuse Ed of slighting hams involved in emergency communications need to stop and think again what was outlined in the first two paragraphs of this article.
Right now in my ham radio lifetime I'm not enthusiastic about getting involved in public service communications again as I have been burned both by ham "wannabes" that sought to rule some local ham radio feifdom and by non-hams that wanted to control a larger group of people and thought that the local hams should only do and offer support to the public with their approval and direction.
N2EQ's Op-Ed is exactly the wrong direction I want to see the Amateur Radio Service heading. I'd be happy to help out my local community in its time of need as I can, but I have no desired whatsoever to be "required" to appear to be a quasi-federal agent. Apparently those that advocate this kind of "service" are not aware of just how poor their reception will be when they swoop in on some localized disaster and begin issuing orders to the local agency "because they're not doing it right" and how this will further hinder and not help the expansion of Amateur Radio.
If I recall, RACES was developed as a federally regulated radio service that would do many of the things N2EQ and some of the other commentors to the forum seem to want. In my veiw RACES should be revived on a federal level and be allocated frequencies both outside and within the Amateur Radio Service. RACES should probably be expanded to allow non-hams membership in RACES where they could assist on the non-ham allocations. In this way amateurs and other like minded citizens can render public service while working in an offical and perhaps professional (read paid) capacity. They would also be allowed to use encryption if that is deemed necessary.
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by KB1FLR on February 13, 2003
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We are meant to assist other agencies during times of emergency. We are not meant to be in a position of authority unless a served agency places us in such a position. We work in the background and stay out of the way.
Of course, if we are first on the scene (this includes such services as the Maratime Mobile Net) we arrange help and do what we can within the limits of our personal expertise until official services arrive. Then we serve the official services.
While having a greater amount of training is desirable, the issuing of badges, uniforms and different licenses is not. In my opinion.
Rick, KB1FLR
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by K1RDD on February 13, 2003
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Just like everything else in life, we can sit and do nothing but complain, or get involved and make it better where we see it lacking.
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by RAD1OMAN on February 13, 2003
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I have not decided if Ed is serious or is just provoking thought...
Why not contact FEMA and volunteer?
On a more local issue, contact the ARES/RACES officer and volunteer.
As for badges, jackets with big letters on the back, NO WAY, not for me!
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by NI0C on February 13, 2003
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I enjoyed this article very much, as well as the comments by KE4MOB. Changing from amateur to "professional" radio operator status would be a huge step, detrimental to our hobby. Keep the emergency and public service communications aspects strictly voluntary!
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by K1ZF on February 13, 2003
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Way to go, Ed. I've been saying the same thing for years! If it sounds like a hobby... (you know the rest)
Gene, K1ZF
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by W9WHE on February 13, 2003
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I think some of Ed's words are so "on-the-money" they bear repeating:
"This stems from the "Gimme a badge and some authority" school of amateur radio that is permeating the hobby, and is another sign of the fact some of us vastly overrate our skills as well as our importance. No, "vastly" doesn't even begin to cover it! The very idea of a jacket with the letters "FECA" (Federal Emergency Communications Agency?) on the back conveys that we are professionals. But we aren't! They give the public the impression, "Here is an authority figure." This is so far out of line with the hobby of amateur radio it is simply unfathomable".
Ed is right on the money here. If you want to be an authority figure, apply to the agency of your choice, take and pass the test, and be whatever it is you qualify for. Amateur radio should not be a shortcut.
Nothing precludes you from bringing whatever Ham skills you might possess (pressing a microphone button) to your FEMA, FBI, ATF, DOJ, NTSB, WHCA or other job. Your Ham ticket should not be a shortcut.
This proposal is just another form of "dumbing down" and diluting the requirements and standards for professionals. What we need is HIGHER quality, not lower standards.
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by W9WHE on February 13, 2003
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Many people overlook the obvious.
Every day, tens of thousands of PROFESSIONAL dispatchers relay information over two way radios for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year. What in the world makes you think you can do it better (or even as well) then they can?;
Because you can operate the PTT on your HT?;
Becasue you give a 5/9 in a contest?;
OR IS IT Because you operate 1/10th as many hours as they do?
Leave the important stuff to the trained and expirenced professionals. A real disaster is no place for "amateurs". If you want to help...GREAT! Approach the commanding officer, tell him/her what you can do and see if they WANT your help.
WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN BADGES!
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by KX8N on February 13, 2003
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Why fix it when it's not broken? If you are in an emergency situation, and all other forms of communication are down, people are going to be more than happy to have your assistance, regardless of what you are wearing, or whether or not the word "amateur" appears on your license.
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by N5QXP on February 13, 2003
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Oh great...we beat this topic to death on QRZ and now it comes back on E-Ham....
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by WY3X on February 13, 2003
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FECA- Federal Emergency Communications Authority....?
I suggest adding "Limited" to the end of the title....
(FECAL) The current ARES/RACES already serves the
purpose. If you don't like the leadership, then do
something about it, but the organization is already
in place to do the work!!!
My two cents worth....-Web Williams in Myrtle Beach, SC
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by W9JCM on February 13, 2003
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All i can say is I will not participate in these groups. They get in the way of the real law enforcement and real emergency services. And have a attitude to boot..... I see it all over out here. They practice there little fake situations. Leave it to the pros. If hams are needed the gov. will call us. Stick to providing comms for races and parades and such. Its a hobby if you want to be a professional then join the police, fema or fire department.
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by KX8N on February 13, 2003
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Did the hams in New York on 9/11 get in the way?
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by K1MKF on February 13, 2003
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Good job! You hit the nail on the head as did many of the follow-ups. I've been in public services for years and there are volunteers I want to show up and help and there are those that show up for all the wrong reasons. The up side is those doing it for fame, thrill, etc. eventually go away. The down side is they are quickly replaced by the next generation.
The guys that have been around for years are the ones I can rely on. Professional? No. But, they do get the job done when there is nobody else to do it. The only danger is the "wannabees" destroying your interagency cooperation with their wrong attitudes.
Mark
k1mkf
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by W8OB on February 13, 2003
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Well I know one thing, last summer I was at a bicycle race and some of the hams from that area were providing comms for the event. One joker took it upon himself to act as god, and crowd control which was not even required. One of the comments I heard from the crowd was " That guy overthere with the walkie talkie is a real asshole". Not painting a good image for amateur radio. Its these gun-ho attitudes that cause the public safety officials in some areas to only call upon the hams when there is no other way. I have seen several talented ops from the downstate area pull up and leave and never come back due to these wannabes. No I don't view this article as a chance to
poke fun at those who do provide public service but maybe it will be a heads up for a few of them. I have always believed that at a emergency site there should only be one person in charge and that is the person from the agency that requested help in the first place.
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by KG4OOA on February 13, 2003
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What the????? This guy could complicate pouring water out of a boot with instructions written on the sole. I suggest he gets into emergency services or better yet MARS. Then he can learn first hand about emergency ops.
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by KG4GAV on February 13, 2003
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I think some take the hobby and service TOO FAR. there is a time and a place for amateur assistance during a disaster. If you want to provide this to your community, contact the authority (emergency mgt, etc) and let them know what your groups qualifications, function, and equipment can be BE SURE they understand the LIMITS of your capability, also. If the agency is interested, they can set up training with your group and their agencies and let you know exactly what they want/need you to do, and they wil get with you an put it all in writing. Be prepared, and wait for them to call you out for help. If the agency feels you need some sort of ID, THEY will get you one. If they want you to respond and meet a certain dress code, they will define that. In other words, don't create your own authority. Offer your services before disaster strikes and when it does, you and the agency will be prepared to deal with it from the same angle. Showing up uninvited on a scene will get you hurt, and possible arrested.
One idea that you dont hear about often is trying to get an incentive and training class set up for the 911 dispatchers to get their amateur radio license. That way when the main system goes down, the same dispatchers, or an off duty response team of them, can come in and man the amateur stations. They are already trained for the job and know the people they are working with.
I think this all sterted with talking about encryption. truth be known, most agencies dont use encryption that much, because the techniques used greatly reduce range on radio systems that already do not have enough receive sites to cover what they use all the time. The other problem is with the encryption "key", because some radios loose that key if the battery dies, or when you change batteries. Some agencies that use encryption alot have a rotating key that changes by computer at alloted times, and if you are in a bad area and your radio cannot relaibly handshake with the computer, it cannot load the corect key, so you are essentiaolly cut off from everyone else. This can be a potentially dangerous situation.
Amateur or public safety encryption is not an easily implemented thing, if it were allowed on amatuer bands. You would have to create a standard type of encryption, and a standard key to start off with, then design a rotation of the keys to keep it "secure". It is not cheap to do encryption, AND i guess all this would be available via HRO, AES or some mail order place, so exactly how secure would this encryption be? NADA, it would be as secure as open communications.
And also remember that all public safety comms are looking for something the are calling INTEROPERABILITY. All these different standards are starting to show detremental effects when county "A" comes over to help county "B" during a disaster and they cannot talk to each other. That is the advantage of Amateur radio...we all use the same standard. My 2 meter rig will talk to your 2 meter rig, my HF to your HF, etc. Do not cloud this with some feeble attempt at secure comms. RELIABLE secure comms is only available if all the players have the same standard and the budget of the military to set it up and maintain it, and I dont see that happening...
Just my $0.25 from a cop/EMT/Dispatcher/Emergency Management Comms guy.
--Alan
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by KB1EHD on February 13, 2003
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KG4OOA brings up what was going to my answer. There already *is* a national organization that provides training in communication techniques, conducts regular practice, has out-of-ham-band-frequencies, and even has ID cards. And that is MARS.
No uniforms and no authority - still a service to a customer. No need to impress anybody. But a certain level of standardized training. (With some variation in organization structures and details according to which military service affiliation you pick.)
Primarily HF, but expected to coordinate with ARES/RACES at the local level.
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by N0CSYET on February 13, 2003
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NE2Q asks, "Is it because we aren't paid for our services?" Of course not! It is because we do not have, nor do we seek to acquire, professional level skills.
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Wrong. We are called "Amateurs" because we don't get paid. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with our skills or lack thereof.
The word "Professional" comes from the same root word as "Profession". If you do something as "profession" (ie: get paid for it) then you are a professional, whether you are any good at that thing or not.
pro·fes·sion·al:
1. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: (ie: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.)
2. Conforming to the standards of a profession.
3. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career.
4. Performed by persons receiving pay.
If you do something but do not get paid for it, then you are an amateur. Whether or not you have, or seek to have professional level skills. At least that what the word "Professional" means.
While I agree that the word "Amateur" has a negative connotation, it certainly shouldn't.
If you determine that some words mean different things than they really do, then it will be very difficult to communicate with you effectively.
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by W8OB on February 13, 2003
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I think the idea of training the 911 dispatchers to obtain amateur licenses is the best one yet. They already have extensive training in handling emergency operations. During my stint as a professional radiotelegraph operator I was involved several times with SOS calls, and if for some reason the Coast Guard was not able to pick up the call, we did. Believe me its not cut and dry like you read in a textbook, lots of variables and life's at sake and no time for anyone to be throwing his or her weight around to try and feel important.
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by K0RGR on February 13, 2003
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I believe that there are proper places for TRAINED amateurs in many disaster situations.
Years ago, I was a very active ARES member. I went through all the required training to be a Red Cross volunteer, including Advanced First Aid, Disaster Assessment and Management, etc.. I handled traffic on the ARRL traffic nets regularly and participated in very regular and realistic drills with the county and city RACES groups - yeah, I knew how to dispatch those public service vehicles too as part of the training. I also got interested and trained as a police reservist.
I got my chances to use my skills, both as a ham and as an off-roader when a small town nearby was literally buried by the collapse of a small mountain. My 4-wheeler was one of the first vehicles into the area, carrying supplies to hastily established shelters for the Red Cross and Salvation Army that 'civilian' trucks couldn't reach. My radios provided communications from deep in canyons where the public service radios couldn't go.
I relayed emergency management and health and welfare traffic from the shelters to the Red Cross HQ about 20 miles away. It was hard work, but it was its own reward.
I've never pretended to be any kind of authority. Nothing will get my shorts bunched up faster than anybody who wants to impress me with his "authority". NOTHING is more embarrassing than to show up at a training session, meeting, or an actual event, and find one of my 'peers' has morphed into 'Barney Fife', trying to arrest the whole town with his unloaded revolver. These people should be identified, and weeded out during training, and in my experience, they usually are. That's why training should be MANDATORY for those who wish to volunteer.
Now, I am primarily involved with SKYWARN. At first, I rejected the idea of a revolving light for my car, but after a couple nights parked close to the highway in zero-visibility rain and wind, I decided it was not a bad idea after all! I have an ARES picture ID card.
It identifies me as "...a trained emergency communicator, volunteering personal time, skill, and equipment to serve in the public interest...". It sure doesn't say I have any authority!
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by W9WHE on February 13, 2003
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NOCSYET says:
"We are called "Amateurs" because we don't get paid. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with our skills or lack thereof".
What is this "WE" stuff?
I didn't see a callsign attached to your BBS ID or posting. If you have a callsign, why not share it?
SECOND, you state:
"pro·fes·sion·al:
1. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: (ie: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.)
2. Conforming to the standards of a profession.
3. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career.
4. Performed by persons receiving pay".
GO UP, AND RE-READ #2 AGAIN. Profession...as in "Standards" for communications profecincy.
We Hams (I can say that because I have a callsign) are NOT "professional" communicators. POLICE, FIRE, EMS dispatchers ARE the professional communicators, because they have training, education & expirence AND are held to standards. IF you have ever listened to HF, VHF or UHF, you know that hams are not!
"WE" hams must protect out image from the self-important "wannabees" that will surely embarras and humiliate us all if we permit them to "assume" a position of authority without the requisite training, education and experience.
WAN..NA..BEE...
1) A person seeking to be percieved as having authority, but lacking the committment to proper education, training, and professional standards;
2) A turkey;
3) An embarrassment and liabillity to the Ham community; and
4) a danger to self and others because of a lack of training, education, expirence and professional standards.
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by W7COM on February 13, 2003
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For thoses 'operators' that wish to 'help' LEO/EMS services I suggest a new service be formed:
Wireless
Amateurs
National
Network
Avocating
Badges
Everywhere
The offical field communication gear would be a 100mW 49MHz handheld with a 1/4 wave unloaded antenna (about 4'6") with the required WANNABE badge flag showing a wood screw and baseball. The offical uniform will consist of shoes with flashing LEDs for safety, mini Mag light with belt holder, Leatherman Jaws-Of-Life version multitool, hardhat with strobe light, and a safety vest with the initals for National Emergency Radio Dispatcher in 12" letters on the front and back. This standard uniform and equipment will greatly help our local professional LEO/EMS workers identify those who are and are not qualified to assist.
:)
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by WA2JJH on February 13, 2003
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If that is what you are into, go for it. There is RACES
MARS,CAP. During 9/11 ham radio communication was important. Many repeaters for public safty were on WTC.
So Hams wre important. They did get required saftly
gear,ect. Hams came in from all over the counnty.
As soon as things settled down, they thew away the safty gear and went home to thier lives.
It is a persons choice. If you want to start a paramiltary ham group,fine. However do not show me a TIN badge, and aim a sigsuar at me.
You did bring up an excellent point. Many local police frequencys are not encrypted. In these days. I do not know! Federal is encryted. I just bought some Motorola FRS radio's that have inversion scrambling.
The communications act of 1934 concerning ham radio
pretty much says it all!
73 MIKE
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by WB2WIK on February 13, 2003
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'Sfunny that ham radio really can help in some disaster situations, and it takes no organized group nor uniforms to get the job done.
I recall in the Johnstown (PA) flood during the winter of 77-78, I just happened to be in the area on business, and happened to be driving through (or trying to), and happened to have two rigs in my car, for 2m and HF.
I ended up staying there four days, handling emergency traffic to and from people stranded in flood zones, including some stranded atop cars and houses with no other communications with the outside world. No organized group, no training required -- just do it, and help. And don't spend a lot of time transmitting!
In the Northridge (CA) earthquake of '94, I happened to live almost at the epicenter so of course everyone locally was impacted. The telephones, power, water and gas utilities were all defunct for days and although cell phone worked, the network was so overloaded, you could wait an hour to actually make a single call. A couple of local 2m FM repeaters were still on the air, using emergency power, and handled a lot of traffic to and from the disaster area, helping people contact relatives, etc via the only available means at the time.
No organized group, no training, no badges, no hats nor uniforms, just bunches of hams trying to help and for the most part, I think we did.
WB2WIK/6
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by N0FI on February 13, 2003
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I find this an interesting topic that could be taken to far in any situation. But I feel that Ed has gone too far to say that Amateur radio operators couldn't be of value to emergency communications. That is ridiculous, and constantly proven wrong, Hams are frequently an asset to emergency communications.
As far as the identification... I don't want people mistaking me for someone else, but often it would be nice to be recognized as who I am. Last year, when working with the MS Bike tour we had a lady who was searching for her kid and was looking for a ham to help her. I heard this and walked up to her and asked her if she needed help. She asked if I was one of those hams... which I thought was funny, since I did have an HT with a 18" antenna on my belt and was wearing a headset.. Apparently she didn't notice. Anyway, in a situation where I am the main source of communications, it would be helpful to be identifiable, as a ham.
I have taken special training; I have gone through the Sky warn training... I take it seriously, I have Sky warn magnets I put on my truck when participating, does that make me some sort of Poser? Maybe it does, but our local weather center sure appreciates us.
I guess everyone likes to judge others... and some people give them lots of opportunities. We have a local EVAC group, many people make fun of them as being some sort of poser with no authority, but when our town flooded, and the EVAC guy showed up and told us how to brace the basement, he saved the house. He was a volunteer who went out of his way to help us. And I will always remember that.
In any group there is bad apples, or people who like to take their position farther than they should (this goes for the Pro's also), but don't use that as a reason to scare people away from trying to help. Use it as a learning tool.
N0FI
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by WA2JJH on February 13, 2003
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I have seen people like that. D.O.R.K's
Derivitive Offical Radio Kings!
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by K7LCS on February 13, 2003
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good article ed...like others, I sorta thought you were spoofing us "again", but realistically, those you wrote about are the folks that "ran me off in 1994" I will never particpate in emergency communications again. I will enjoy Amateur radio only. badges, vests, jackets ?? what a bunch of BS !!
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by G0GDU on February 13, 2003
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That there is a place for communications assistance to the emegency services when normal communications have failed is a proven fact. There are groups of radio amateurs who train together for such an eventuality and give freely of their time when their services are required and requested.
In the UK there is no compulsion to join an emergency support organisation, such as RAYNET, but the Amateur Radio licence does include a clause that permits an amateur to pass messages on behalf of a User (typically emergency) Service without pecuniary gain, this clause also recommends that the licensee follows a formal emegency communications training scheme.
Wearing a uniform or even just a badge will in no way help an amateur to better perform the duty of passing messages and may imply authority in some area for which they have no training. In the UK, Raynet members usually wear a jacket as a means of identification to the emergency services not as a means of giving any authority to perform tasks for which they are not specifcally qualified.
The term professional has no place in describing a Ham. One should look to International Law for the definition of the Amateur Service where it is said to be one of ... self-training, inter-communication and technical investigation carried on by ... duly authorised persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecunary interest. Without pecuniary interest indicates that a Ham cannot charge for this service and by definition are amateurs (i.e. unpaid) and not professionals (i.e those who charge for their services).
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by N2BSD on February 13, 2003
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I propose changing the name of the Amateur Radio Service to one of the following:
Emergency Radio Service
or
Volunteer Emergency Radio Service
Then we can all have elite vanity plates like the state of Tennessee.
Their plates rock all over the other plates in the union.
No mention of the word "Amateur".
That word has such a negative view attached to it.
Although, most of the dirty old men in the hobby have a preference for "amateur" in some sense of the word.
(Especially in that other browser window with streaming video you have open. You know who you are!)
Oh wait, I'm sorry, that's not a browser window, it's your SSTV software that you are using to traffic amatuer something or other... sorry.
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by NB5Z on February 13, 2003
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Only two questions...
1.) Will I have to get a haircut?
2.) Can I still eat fried chicken during active SKYWARN net?
LOL
But seriously folks, I don't want to be a professional, if it gets too "tuf" l'll be at the rear with the gear.
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by N5XM on February 13, 2003
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If anyone needs a title to feel qualified to do anything, aren't they just basically feeding their Ego? Is this a bunch of VHF Hams who want to be called "professional" because they are Masters of 2m? Should I call myself a "professional CW op" because I probably made more CW ragchews than about anyone in the country in 2002?
I don't care a wit about titles. All the titles on Earth can't make anyone a good op. The only title I want is "Ham"...
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by UF0OL on February 13, 2003
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HELLO INFERIOR COMRADES. I HAVE APPOINTED MY SELF THE
CZAR OF HAM RADIO. YOU WILL BE TREATED FAIRLY.
HAVE NIC DYA
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by WA9SVD on February 13, 2003
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This subject has been beat to death at QRZ.COM. Why rehash the same here?
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by N5LXI on February 14, 2003
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I have not been impressed with local RACES groups and think this communicationis would be better served in the commercial spectrum rather than amateur. If they want to play police / storm chasers fine. Do it someplace else.
While I think training if fine, in a real emergency most hams are capable of passing traffic, will pitch in to help and do the right thing. Without a RACES ID card, official badge, official hat and official jacket.
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by WA4MJF on February 14, 2003
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When I was active in RACES in Portmouth, VA, I wore
the standard yellow hard hat with CD decal and
blue arm band with gold CD letters. Of course,
we had a photo ID that we carried in our wallets.
The distinctive gear allowed the police, and in my
case the SPs, to know at a glance that I belonged there.
My post for those familiar with the area was near the
Naval Hospital along the Elizabeth River and I reported
the water levels to the EOC as the river rose durin' storms.
This was in the late 60s and early 70s. I have been in
NC since 1973. The only ID we use now is the lanyard type that are isssued by the EOCs for use when in the EOC. I operate from home as I have the where with all to provide backup commo for the state EOC.
So now I don't need any ID.
I see nothing wrong with a distinctive somethin':
hat, jacket, armband or whatever to make you readily
identifiable to the authorities.
Except for any position that you may hold in
ARES/RACES, a ham really has no authority to
do anything except communicate
I always try to do my public service in a "professional"
manner usin' proper prowords and communication
techniques.
73 de Ronnie
OBS, OES
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by WA4MJF on February 14, 2003
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N5LXI y'all must be pretty slack in
your area. Since the war on terror began,
our ARES/RACES ops do not get past the
guard to get in to the State EOC durin'
an activation to perform their duties
without their ID. When
inside it must be visable at all times,
as you move around the EOC.
A lotta local EOCs do this too.
Before the war on terror began we did not need
and ID to get in and there were no armed
guards either.
73 de Ronnie
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by KC0LPV on February 14, 2003
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Wow. Grudge?
I'm a relatively new ham, and I have been striving to both improve my equipment and my skills so that I can be of use to a served agency in the event of a disaster.
I don't care about badges or uniforms or flashing lights, UNLESS the lack of one or more of those will prevent or impede me from performing my duties as a volunteer.
One of the things I have done, on the advice of other amateurs, is to acquire my state's Amateur Radio callsign license plate. This at least provides some official state identification showing that I am a federally licensed radio amateur, in a form that is believable by virtually any state or local LEO. It is a form of ID they are familiar with; I'm afraid our FCC licenses are not familiar to them, and could be easily fabricated--they have *no* security features!
If the county RACES coordinator wanted to issue us uniform ID's, that's fine. If they wanted us to wear safety vests, that's fine. I don't see the point of hard hats unless there's a danger of falling objects...
I think it is in the best interests of all hams to strive for a level of professionalism in our emergency communications skills. We are, after all, trying to be a *help* to our served agencies when they need us the most. During a disaster is the least favorable time to try and get clearance from a now very busy police chief or City Emergency Manager to be present at disaster scenes, headquarters, hospitals, or shelters. If they have to waste precious minutes clearing each amateur radio operator who shows up for duty, we may quickly become more of a hinderance than a help.
We need to do whatever is necessary to ensure that we have clearance *now* so that we are not impeded from providing necessary backup communications when they are most important.
Jim
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by N9XK on February 14, 2003
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The only FECA, FECAL or FECES here is this article. Hasn't this been beaten to absolute death on QRZ? Ed, did you honestly think that people on eHam didn't know that QRZ.com existed? Maybe, just maybe, some of the folks here intentionally stay away from QRZ for one reason or another, just my $.02.
Bottom line, a reasonable person (notice I said, "Reasonable Person") will not represent themself as law enforcement, salvation army, ARES, RACES or member of some other agency unless they are really members of that agency. If they have some overriding psychological need or urge for uniforms, badges or ego stroking then they need other help that is outside the scope of this forum.
Please stop wasting bandwidth by reprinting articles from QRZ on eHam, you're not going to get blood out of a turnip. If you're bored get on the bands and strike up a QSO!
Mark, N9XK
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by KC0LPV on February 14, 2003
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In reference to the poster who said that the agencies will be "...happy for any assistance..." if the other communications lines are down:
Think of the ways that a terrorist orgainzation could maximize the casualties and "terror" from an attack. Wouldn't disrupting communications be one of them? Wouldn't it be great to have some little recruit guy show up and "help"? What about having a lead-acid battery that is half plastique?
There has to be *some* way to validate our identities. We can't be too careful, and we can't expect officers and agents who have never met us to trust us explicitly with their necessary communications unless we have somehow established our legitimacy.
Jim
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by KK6DP on February 14, 2003
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Seven characteristics of a professional:
1) a minimal level of training for entrance to the profession
2) some form of formal certification
3) some form of continuing education or training
4) some minimal level of proof of performance
5) conformance to professional standards
6) adherence to professional ethics
7) the taking of responsibility and the acceptance of liability
Two questions: how many of these characteristics does amateur radio have in theory, and how many do amateur radio operators satisfy in practice?
Me? I'm a card-carrying amateur. KK6DP
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by AB7BR549 on February 14, 2003
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What is it with Ed? His posts always coincide with the full moon...
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by K5MAR on February 14, 2003
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Let's get one thing straight, this is the second time Ed has posted this bit of nonsense. It was ridiculous when he posted it on QRZ and it is even more ridiculous that he felt the need to submit it here. I'm not sure just where he is coming from with this, but don't take it seriously. I suspect Ed is sitting back and laughing his rear end off at the responses he is getting. April 1st isn't for a couple of months, it would have been better to post this then. Ed, I've got a special uniform for you. It's a white jacket, the ends of the sleeves are kinda strange, but the straps will pull it up nice and tight! We can even have the name of the hospital, er agency printed on it if you'd like. And you don't have to pass any tests, in fact, it's better if you fail them!
Mark
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by K3DWW on February 14, 2003
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FEMA provides guidance to 'gummymints' on how to set up state and local RACES groups.
<http://www.fema.gov/library/civilpg.shtm>
These are official government sponsored org's much like volunteer fire and rescue squads and AFAIK are the only volunteer org's recommended by FEMA.
Most states also have laws establishing state and local Directors of Emergency Management. For example, in Virginia that is the Governor, assisted by the Va. Dept of Emergency Management (VDEM) and in my county it is the County Executive appointed by the elected County Council. Naturally YMMV.
If you don't have a written appointment from your Director of Emergency Management as either RACES Officer or RACES Operator then, per FCC, you could have to quit transmitting in a declared emergency.
Trouble is competing clubs cloud the issue. Here in Va we have ARES (ARRL) and Virginia RACES Inc. Both are good and provide needed training, and most RACES Officers belong to one or both, but these *CLUBS* have no authority; membership per se may not get you into an EOC.
Bottom line is, if you *are* a legally appointed RACES Officer or Operator refused admittance then you your Dir. of Emergency Management can straighten it out. If OTOH you are just a club member then you can contact your county RACES officer to join .. if there is one.
73 K3DWW
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by WA4MJF on February 14, 2003
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K3DWW,
ARES is not a club, it is the successor to the
ole Amateur Radio Emergency Corps (then part of
the Amateur Radio Public Service Corps which
no longer exists)and stands
for Amateur Radio Ememgency Services which is
a part of the ARRL Field Organization. ARES is controlled by the SM in each Section.
Although you seemed to be on the money on RACES, it is
NOT a club either. It is, as you stated, a part
of the Civil Defense organization of the localand/or
state government.
In the NC Section, ARES and RACES are one in the
same and members of ARES are registered with
their local CD organization and all are registered
with the State. Section EC is State Radio Officer and
County EC is County Radio Officer. This allows the
flexability to change hats.
73 de Ronnie
OBS, OES
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by K4III on February 14, 2003
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AGAIN! Last week the same post was mentioned, for I remember replying... (We AREN'T PRO's!) Sure a few of us may be, but I don't want to be held legally reliable for my offers of aid in communications, and we can't all be held liable since the hobby is so broad and includes all ages and peoples, internationally! We experiment and enjoy what we are doing or else we wouldn't do it!
It really DOESN'T matter what you call us, people judge the response. THAT's what is IMPORTANT! We could call ourselves something outlandish such as the "CRABBY CLAMMY & CRAPPY COMMUNICATIONS CREW" and people satisfied with our emergency services would still ask for our emergency communications assistance.
WHAT's REALLY IN A NAME? I don't care whether a company calls themselves certified, pro, or qualified. If their record's bad, I won't use them.
I'd rather hire someone who enjoys their "work", than someone who is only looking foward to a paycheck! That is not myself (and hopefully not those involved in ham radio) and I don't believe we can be hired (receive personal financial gains) for our Ham Radio Assistance according to regulations. I guess we can be titled "volunteers." So c'mon, the show's already started, let's show the pro's how it's really done!!!
For those who want a salary and/or title, there are easier ways than trying to convince the public and/or Govt.
1. purchase spectrum and/or bands,
2. apply for govt or county emergency positions,
3. Work in an emergency job. If you're really a communications pro, I'm sure your resume won't be overlooked in the marketplace,
4. Create your own entrepreneurship and you can call yourself the President.
(Remember it's nice to be able to run your own ship or hold a prestigious title, but if you can't communicate with others, you're "no good", and that is something I think everyone can always improve upon.
THE END.
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by AA4PB on February 14, 2003
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Leave it to the professionals???? Some of you guys need a history lesson. Time and time again the "professional" systems have failed during an emergency and "amateur" radio has come through. Do you think that "professional" dispatcher knows what to do when his radio or antenna fails? Sure he puts in a work order to have a technician (usually a contractor) come out and repair it. Can the policeman on the sceen communicate with the fireman on sceen? Probably not. Oh oh, the cellular system is overloaded - can't use that. I know, the Internet - oops the phone lines are down. Need to communicate with someone outside the local area? Humm, no HF radio available to the local police dispatcher here in Podunk. Sure wish there was a ham operator available.
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by BANDM on February 14, 2003
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My dictionary advises the difference between them is that a professional gets paid, an amateur does not.
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by KD6PCT on February 15, 2003
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Amateur radio is called "amateur" just for the very reason that it is a non-paid profession. It is comprised of persons from a variety of backgrounds, having a common interest in a hobby having many facets to it. One of these facets happens to include the choice of volunteering to provide emergency communications assistance to community, state, province, and/or country.
The emergency communications assistance comes in several formats as well. Being part of a health and welfare net, (ARES, Red Cross), providing "shadows" for the chief of police or fire chief, or riding along with police, fire, or ambulance patrols, (RACES, ACS, EMCOMM),and providing HF/VHF/UHF/Microwave/Satellite packet,APRS, SSTV, ATV, RDF, SKYWARN or other needed assistance, (all amateur radio volunteers). This includes search and rescue missions, evacuations, and a host of other disasters and problems that arise and affect the community.
It doesn't take a badge or a uniform to be recognized. It might require an identification card worn in plain view, though. This is quite the norm throughout the country. Those hobbyists thinking the uniform and the badge will give them "deserved" recognition have the wrong idea, and are nothing more than ambulance chasers.
As a former RACES Radio Officer for our city, I know a uniform is not needed, nor is hiding the fact we are amateurs. The recognition is not necessary, except to promote and increase numbers in the hobby. The true satisfaction is to know that the tasks at hand were completed with success and contributed to a good outcome. Uniforms are required only when the parent agency says they are.
The State of California, Office of Emergency Services, Auxillary Communications Service, has promoted the use of radio amateurs,(RACES, ARES,EMCOMM, CDF VIP, GMRS, FRS, and yes, REACT, along with non-radio volunteers, to provide emergency assistance where communications help is needed. The non-radio volunteers provide administrative, logistical, and technical support for the served agencies as well as the communications volunteers. Volunteers may be professionals in their particular field they are volunteering, such as the broadcast radio station engineer, or the human resources manager.
The CA OES/ACS has been a nationwide leader in how ACS can and should be run. Many of the procedures now in place are being used from the local level to the federal level, and is being utilized by more than communications. This is how it should work, and uniforms and badges are not necessary.
For more information on the CA OES/ACS, you can use the following URL:
http://acs.oes.ca.gov/
Another place of interest is EMCOMMWEST at:
www.emcomm.org
For more information on ARES, refer to the ARRL.
Also look up SKYWARN, the Hurricane Watch Net, California Division of Forestry's Volunteers in Prevention (VIP), to name a few. There just may be something of interest out there for somebody that just wants to help.
Remember, the agency that saves you, a loved one, or one's property may be the one served by AMATEUR RADIO emergency communications volunteers, not a uniform or a badge.
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by WA2JJH on February 15, 2003
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I think KD6PCT is right on the money. The way he described it was exactly how it went down during
The months after 9/11 in NYC. The Salvation Army station gave out simple I.D's, after a background
check on a Hams Call sign. Many Hams and non Hams from all over the country really helped out.I did meet many hams I would not have met on the air.
One lesson that was learned, H-T's were limited
Mobile UHF/VHF came in handy.
Perhaps we can put this thread to rest?
73 MIKE
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by DUPANOUS on February 15, 2003
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Seen this "official badge" for amateur radio operators?
http://westid.com/amateur.htm
A sure way to end up spending the night in jail if you go flashing something like this around at people.
Why do so many hams wanna be something they are not?
Trying to come off like some sort of enforcement or authority figure will no doubt result in getting someone hurt.
Why on earth would any ham feel they need a badge like this? How foolish.
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by WA2JJH on February 16, 2003
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I think steve WB2WIK/6 made an excellent point. Just being in the right place at a bad time, was timeless.
He just happened to be in the right place, with the good gear. He did what he could do with what he had during a horrible time. No badge,just good old american
guts. He did not stick around for his 15 minutes of fame. He did what he was able to do.
A HF and uhf/vhf mobile was the best tool. During 9/11 a hf and vhf/uhf high power mobile was the best tool. All of us that that were involved did the best we could do with our rigs. No stinking badges,no power ttrips. A lot of improvising had to be done.
You do the best you can do, and do not stick around for the cameras and ENG trucks.
I lost a few friends in 9/11.(some MOS) The fact that americans from all over came to help us grumpy New Yorkers, helped me. In fact I went to the RED cross,and I was told we think we have enough hams for now. We will put you on standby alert.They did say they will have to look into thier computer system.I WAS GIVEN A TIME SLOT.They were suprised the computer did not give me first shift. I lived 5 blocks from the RED CROSS. So many out of town Hams with certain hazard skills were all ready in town. I did what I could do with my H-t's helping my fellow New yorkers. I had to be a psuedo therepist for friends, lost people, and family.No we were not prepared for what went down. However It just jelled together like magic.
So many Hams from out of New york showed brotherly
love. For 3 weeks after the HIT, everybody was kinder and nicer. I wish it would have lasted!
Ya do not need a badge....Just a heart!
To all the out of town Hams and professional's,That helped us many thanks.
For all of those that came to help us..God bless you
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by AE6IP on February 16, 2003
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"Leave it to the professionals???? Some of you guys need a history lesson. Time and time again the "professional" systems have failed during an emergency and "amateur" radio has come through."
Actually, not all that often. *most* professional dispatch systems are up 24x7x365. _rarely_ does the circumstance come up when the dispatch system is down but the amateur systems are up. This is, not surprisingly, especially true of things like ARES/RACES which often share tower space and power supply with the pros.
"Do you think that "professional" dispatcher knows what to do when his radio or antenna fails? Sure he puts in a work order to have a technician (usually a contractor) come out and repair it."
The harsh reality is that most hams don't know much more about repairing broken radio equipment than most professional dispatchers, and rely on the 'swap it out' approach (which is available in redundant dispatch systems.)
"Can the policeman on the sceen communicate with the fireman on sceen? Probably not."
Don't know about where you are, but in the state of California, they certainly can, and the plan by which they do so is mandated by state law.
"Oh oh, the cellular system is overloaded - can't use that. I know, the Internet - oops the phone lines are down."
Do you, by the way, have any hard numbers on the occurances of situtations in which both the primary dispatch system and the secondary communication systems are both down but the ham systems are working?
If you investigate, you will find the percentage very low.
"Need to communicate with someone outside the local area? Humm, no HF radio available to the local police dispatcher here in Podunk. Sure wish there was a ham operator available."
California Highway Patrol uses HF radio. So does the coast guard.
I've been involved in ARES since October. In that time, the local professional dispatch system has been up and operational 24x7 without missing a beat. The local ARES repeaters (none of which are HF by the way) have had intermitten problems, even to the extent of interferring with weekly check in.
ARES volunteers have been activated exactly ones in that time frame, and, basically, it was so the local PD could avoid paying some overtime.
I participated in my first ARES activation drill a few weeks ago. It was such a fiasco that I asked the AEC to remove my name from the mailing list and I've stopped checking in. In my opinion, that group is sufficiently _amateur_ (in the derogatory sense of the word) as to do more harm than good in an emergency.
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by WA4MJF on February 16, 2003
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I think the badge is cute :-)
It is also overpriced. At any rate,
I would not get one.
However, here in NC, there is no law
against havin' badges, so one would
not be put in jail for possessin' one.
I guess from the comment some totalitarian
states (New Jersy comes to mind) might outlaw
possession of badges. It would seem to be a silly
law. Lotta states (Texas comes to mind) outlaw the
possesion of law enforcement badges used
in their states.
73 de Ronnie
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by WA2JJH on February 16, 2003
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Another good point. In NYC MOS and ham repeaters for the most part are not on the same tower. The fire dept had many problems with a new trunk system, Local police use T.a.c approach. Redundant repeaters, and voting receivers in different area's.
Having worked on the roof of WTC, there were too many
eggs in one basket. Many 5/8th wave antennas.too many to count)
Most of the ham repeaters are else where.
The rent for an antenna at WTC was too is high.
When I worked for a broadcaster, The rent was $$1000/square foot a month!
The Ham repeaters played an important support role.
Point to point simplex was usefull too. I used several H-T's that I owned for my local group.
Anything that could be used was. There was a severe H-T
shortage. If Hf had to be used for 5 miles, it was used.Emergency portable cell sites came later. Pay phones were free.
I do know our public officials did do A lot of finger pointing. Many lessions were learned by professionals and non-pro's alike.
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by KC7MMI on February 16, 2003
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There is nothing wrong with looking and acting professional while providing communications at a disaster or other event. The group I'm with encourages members to wear bright yellow shirts or jackets with "Amateur Radio Communcations" in large type so we can look unified and professional. When an amateur provides good, reliable communications, it will be looked upon as acting professional. Having an organized and directed net can be thought of as professional.
Amateurs do, in fact, need to be professional when it comes to providing emergency or other public service related communications. Otherwise, supporting agencies may find us incompetant or useless. Here is a definition of "professional" in the Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary; "following a line of conduct as though it were a profession". At least to me this means hams can be professional by providing organized, reliable and meaningful communications.
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by W9WHE on February 17, 2003
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THE TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE ASKS THE QUESTION:
"Where should "Amateur" Radio stand when it comes to emergency communication authority?"
The answer is "nowhere". We have NO AUTHORITY to do anything, except chit-chat or to summon the professionals, UNLESS we are asked to do something more. Read 47 CFR part 97. We have NO other authority, orange vest, phony tin badge, blue dash light or otherwise.
So many amateurs (some posting here) VASTLY overestimate their own skills and value to professionals in a given situation. The professionals are the ones with the training, education and experience. They have the "authority", not us.
Fashing some phony badge, wearing some hokey vest or garb, only reflects poorly on the rest of us. IF you want to help, tell the professionals what you can do...and they will tell you what they need, IF anything. Above all, stay out of the way.
Good communications should be behind the scenes...not in front, trying to ascend to "hero" status. THERE IS NOTHING more irratating to professionals than some stupid WANNABEE getting in the way or "pretending" to be something they are not. Many times, such WANNABEES merely endanger the real professionals and the public. DON'T be a stupid WANNABEE. Be a useful volunteer with the smarts to know your place.
As that venerable philosopher, Clint Eastwood said:
"A MAN HAS GOT TO KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS"
And we hams need to know ours.
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by N6HBJ on February 17, 2003
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As a firefighter/paramedic for a major metropolitan city in California and also a HAM, I would like to respond.
In a modern country such as the USA the availabilty of cell phones, the internet, modern coordinated dispatch centers, satellites, and regular landline phones has improved the reliability of communications and reduced the chance of HAM radio playing a strong role in emergency communications. HAM radio in the past would fill in the gaps in emergency communications when the primary system failed and there was no other backup system available (or no primary system to begin with).
Our dipatch center is a combined police/fire system with numerous repeated and simplex trunked frequencies available for coordinating with other agencies if necessary in a mutual aid situation. Police, fire, CHP, transit, Red Cross, Cal Trans (highway workers), etc etc. Our center is equipped with emergency backup power. In addition, every firehouse, engine, truck, and ambulance has multiple radios of the same along with emergency generators for power failures. In addition, every chief's vehicle has a cell phone and so do most firefighters, police officers and paramedics have their personal cell phone with them while on duty. In addition, a few firehouses have an amateur station set up.
On the scene of an emergency, all the normal radio traffic is handled by the appropriate professional agencies on the scene relative to their duties. Secondary services like the Red Cross which would help provide shelter for individuals also have their own radios. All of this is coordinated at the "command post".
For us to require the assistance of HAM communications, the radio system would have to fail along with the phone system. Not an impossibility, but an improbablility. So the chances of needing HAM communications in an emergency for EMERGENCY communications is very remote even in a large incident.
The role that HAMs MOST likely would play in a large scale incident would be to handle non emergent message traffic such as messages to families from survivors who wish to let them their status. An important service nontheless.
The chances of HAM radio playing a role in vital direct EMERGENT communicatios increases in third world countries or remote locations in the US or other places where there is no reliable communications established. This doesn't mean that HAMs in modern cities shouldn't train for such incidents. Although unlikely, it is STILL POSSIBLE that the day will come.
I support HAMs involved in volunteering their services for disaster and emergency training. They day may come when they are needed. It is important to be prepared.
73 MIKE
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by WA4MJF on February 17, 2003
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Mike, glad to hear you guys on the left
coast are so prepared. Here in remote NC,
we found as recently as the Floods of 1999,
when the Eastern half of the state was under water
the followin':
1) Landline phone systems do not work when their
COs fill with water.
2) Ditto for power substations.
3) Cell phone providers tend to put their radio
and computers at the base of towers instead of on
platforms way up the tower as hams here tend to do.
They did not work when the equipment buildin's submerged.
4) Ditto for Public Safety radios. I guess that
they can afford all the big hardline that hams can't :-)
5) Battery back up for the ham repeaters in the air failed after a spell.
6) Red Cross satellite phones did not work.
So for several days it was NC ARES/RACES that provided the commo. Often from spots that they had to be helo'd in to by the USCG or NCArNG or jarheads from New
River MCAS.
So if all y'all don't live in CA, as Mike said be prepared 'cause a disaster could happen in your remote
area.
73 de Ronnie
OBS, OES
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by WA2JJH on February 18, 2003
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Ronni, made an excellent point. I guess CA. has thier act together. Every state is different as to electronic
infra structure. I just purchased a bunch of GMRS Motorola GMRS radios. They are only $50 on ebay new.
They are built like tanks!
I guess CA. MOS systems are setup very well.
With coastal flooding, you get a warning.
The MOS in NYC were greatfull for the Hams support.
I do not think we had one case of a space cadet poser
with a power trip badge, playing MOS or bossing people around.In fact the MOS were friendly.
We did know our limitations, as well as to what we could do. Those of us that did have special skills were used when asked. The Hams that had hazard skills
risked their lives. Fortunitly, I do not know of one Ham fatality.
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by KM5EW on February 18, 2003
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Some thoughts come to mind...
Having been involved in emergency communications in some form or fashion, and now currently ARRL EC for Bell County, Texas, I have probably seen the entire range as far as how amateurs in general participate in such.
1) There is, of course, the issue about the badges and uniforms. The badges really serve as nothing more than identification to show that the individual ham belongs on the scene of a disaster or other event. This is true especially IF his group (whether it be ARES, RACES, etc.) has a working agreement with the served agencies involved. The ones who get the ego inflated by wearing these badges or similar ID, well...there may well be a problem. Uniforms...well, that will depend on the individual or organization; most don't use or need them, and that's fine!
2) The organization is already in place as far most that have posted in this forum is concerned. It is ARES and/or RACES, and in many instances, both. It works quite well, and in the case of ARES, is part of the ARRL Field Organization. RACES is a government function, and also works quite well within the capabilities it has.
3) There always seems to be someone that has a strong tendency to belittle emergency communications people, no matter what the relationship is. I truly don't understand it. Here's a scenario: A widespread event occurs, let's say an earthquake. All normal communications (even 800 MHz) and power is knocked out. You are seriously injured laying out in the front yard of your home, bleeding profusely. A police vehicle drives by, with an officer and a ham inside. They see you, jump out, check your condition, and call for help using amateur frequencies set up by plan in advance. An ambulance comes soon, and you are taken to the hospital. This is a good example of what Amateur Radio can do in the event of an emergency. Now, what might happened to you if the police car with amateur operator inside didn't come by? Well, you probably die...
(Remember, that was a scenario only, but could honestly happen!)
4) No, we are not required to provide emergency communications whenever they are needed, but we are ENCOURAGED TO DO SO IF ASKED. Many hams say that they wouldn't know what to do if called upon. Well, that is where training comes in, and that is where ARES/RACES programs can help immensely. All it takes is a little time and the realization that one is giving back to his/her community.
Just a few thoughts I needed to ponder and throw out there.
Warren Rowe / KM5EW
ARRL Emergency Coordinator / Bell County, Texas
Temple, Texas
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by N6HBJ on February 18, 2003
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I wanted to add something.
We don't need uniforms. A simple orange reflective safety vest with your position printed on the back is sufficient.
During a large incident,firefighters/paramedics will don these vests to help reduce the confuson of who is doing what with so many personell on scene. So that is all you need.
As far as badges are concerned. NO! A simple picture ID clipped to your shirt is enough. Save the badges for cops and firemen. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to have badges except ego. You are there to assist, not to give orders or flash your badge to anyone as an authority figure.
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by WA9SVD on February 19, 2003
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To N6HBJ:
HI!
I just have a bit of disagreement that the "cellphone," etc. infrastructure will be totally reliable to the point that Amateur Radio will not be necessary.
I know it's been a number of years since the Northridge Earthquake here in Southern California, but in a number of areas surrounding the epicenter, cell phone, electric, and landline services WERE knocked out.
And while I was at work, I was monitoring several frequencies, and one communique really caught my attention.
A young man (seemingly a young teenager) was reporting that his neighbor, the HAM, was injured and trapped under some piece of furniture that had fallen during the 'quake.
Now, the Net Control didn't go into a tirade about a non-licensed person using a ham radio. She coolly and calmly took the information about location, apparent extent of injury, and that was it. It was use by an unlicensed person to report serious personal injury, and that's allowed. After the important information was conveyed, the young man was told politely that it was an emergency situation, and he shouldn't use the radio for "frivilous" means, and he understood. But he may have saved a life in the process. FORTUNATELY, none of the "Police" decided to jam him because he wasn't a license operator.
If it weren't for the Ham radio, how long do you think the fellow would have had to wait to get assistance or medical attention? All the Public Service (Police, Fire) radios in the world wouldn't have helped, and even if he had a cell phone in his hand, he would have had to wait until cell service was restored, which in some cases, was almost three days.
We should not overestimate our importance or capability, but we should not underestimate it either.
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by WA2JJH on February 19, 2003
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I am glad the kid did not get into any legal trouble.
You made an excellent point. By any means to save a life. Would not be suprised if the kid now has an Elmer.
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by W9WHE on February 20, 2003
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KM5EW says:
"There is, of course, the issue about the badges and uniforms. The badges really serve as nothing more than identification to show that the individual ham belongs on the scene of a disaster or other event".
I beg to differ.
A badge is a symbol of authority from the government. That's why police wear them. We ARE NOT law enforcement and have NO such authority.
Any attempt to suggest that we do (with or through a badge) is nothing short of FRAUD, a/k/a impersonating a law enforcement officer. That's a crime. Any Non-law enforcement Ham displaying a badge of unlawful authority should go to jail.
If I see any Ham displaying a badge of unlawful authority, I WILL see that law enforcement is notified. All hams should do the same.
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by WA4MJF on February 20, 2003
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There are all sorts of badges. A badge in and
of itself does not mean y'all are impersonatin'
a law man. If the served agency wants a ham
to wear a badge for ID, then that is what the ham
should do. Ditto uniform. Here in NC, we are only required to dress presentably, "casual Friday" type
wear, in the EOC and have photo ID badge visable.
BTW, I'm a retired law man of 25 years. So I know
that the badge without the ID doesn't really mean
anything. When I was workin', as a general rule,
folks looked at my creds longer than the badge attached. I guess this is 'cause they know anyone can buy a badge that says most anything.
Lotsa non-law organizations have badges. Fire
Departments (paid and volunteer), rescue squads
(paid and volunteer), security guards, the
little young'uns in the AAA Safety Patrol, etc.
73 de Ronnie
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Perhaps flashing around a law enforcement type badge is not a crime in North Carolina, but I find that kind of hard to believe. It most certainly will get you in a whole lot of hot water in most other states. Seeing a fellow amateur radio operator displaying or wearing something like that causes embarassment to "normal" hams more than you might imagine. No ham needs to, or should be parading around wearing a badge - unless he/she is actually an active member of the law enforcement community. This silly amateur radio operator badge only serves to try and boost what is an already fragile and deflated ego of the wearer. Trust me, it'll impress nobody, except maybe small children that don't know any better. Most self respecting amateur radio operators wouldn't be caught dead wearing something like that. I myself will laugh at the person as they are whisked away in handcuffs by the real police and fully support their being charged with impersonating a police officer. The bad thing is how this makes the amateur community appear to law enforcement. Police wannabes, overstepping their boundries, trying to be something they are not. Fools with these badges will do nothing but cause hams to viewed in a negative way. You wanna wear a badge? Join the police or fire department. Amateur radio operators are not issued badges by the FCC, so they have no business wearing them.
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by N6HBJ on February 21, 2003
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WA9SVD,
Hello,
I never said that the cell phones would be totally reliable. I did say that the chances of HAMs being used for emergency radio communication is rather low out here. More likely we would be used for non emergent traffic.
And I agree that in a MAJOR DISASTER such as an earthquake it is possible for the radio system and the phones to both go down which would require some form of alternate communications such as HAM. Especially since the city of San Francisco now uses a trunked system which would mean that if it did go down, we would lose EVERYTHING-police, fire, muni, DPT, hospital radio, etc etc.
And that is why I said that support HAM volunteers. However remote the possibility is, it is still POSSIBLE. It is better to be prepared!
On another note, as far as INDIVIDUAL emergencies, yes it is more likely that HAM would be used for that. Example: you are out driving in the "boonies" and come upon a car wreck and the area has no cell phone reception. Get on HF and call for help. This is probably a fairly common occurrence but a different discussion than the original topic.
73 Mike
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by WA2JJH on February 21, 2003
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Once took some P.I. instruction classes. Some wanna be Joe Friday showed off his P.I. badge. It looked like an
old clint east wood western badge. Plain badge just some serial number. It did not have the NY insignia.I told this wanna be what he could do with it. If he came into investigate anything, he could face a law suite, and if he raised his voice,and got within 24" of someone,pushed someone around, He just committed
assualt.
I told this space cadet, if you were to come into my office with that tin crap, I would laugh you out of my office. I would also hurl a creative Gene Shepperd like
obsenity train of words.
In the DSM-IV space cadet activity has a 300. code for a mental illness. Bipolar II'A,s are like that.
Those of use that lost MOS friends and family did get a small 9/11 pin. Only as for paying respect.
Yes, people that have freinds and family do get coutesy cards and micro bagedges. Each state determains
how small the coutesy badge shOULld be.
IT IS NEVER USED TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO! The coutesy badge is in the wallet only, along with a coutesy card. IT is NEVER USED TO TELL ORDER people around.It is just a simbol of respect for lost MOS loved ones lost. I have a huge cortesy badge from a FED friend. I DO NOT EVEN DARE TO PUT IT IN MY WALLET.
tHE ONLY REASON FOR A COURTSEY CARD, IS TO MAKE SURE
YOU DO NOT GET B.O.S.ED OR B&Nerd. I once cought a guy trying to intimidate me with a card and microbadge inwwallet. He even had expired police parking card.His karma caught up with him stat
Asked some of my MOS friends,they say he has a rap sheet. He was a C.I. for O.c.c.b.. Mos consider paid junkie skell C.I.'s as scum, and disposable!
He is now serving a year for parole violation. He pulled a space cadet secret op scam to get elderly to give to some type of MOS charity.The charity was for his drug habit.
If the badge has state insignia, and is a worn...You mAY BE IN TROUBLE.You also risk the chance of being called a SHMUCK!
Police wannabes are a danger to MOS and civilains as well.
I know most hams have the wisdom and know the communications act of 1934, as to what they can do, and cannot do.
As many pointed out, you are not compelled to do anything. If asked by local authorities, It is a brave choice. A simple yes or no is OK.
tHERE IS A MENTAL ILLNESS BEHIND THE POWER TRIP.
I have lost count of how many so called MOS Bogus charites are out thier.They just sprung up after 9/11.
Wearing bright colored safty gear is prudent. Much dispoable safty gear was not taken home for show and tell after 9/11. Berillium oxide, asbestos, and PCB's
were all over safty gear. Who needs that!
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by WA9SVD on February 21, 2003
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Hi Mike,
That's precisely my point! In minor problems, the Amateurs will be asked to handle non-essential communications. But in the event of a major disaster (and with the extensive damage and loss of life from both the Loma Prieta and Northridge earthquakes,I would classify them as major disasters!) we should all be prepared for emergency communication if the commercial systems or government systems go down.
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by N6HBJ on February 21, 2003
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Well, then we agree!
BTW, that "huh?" was directed towards the post before yours, not you.
73 Mike
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by WA9SVD on February 22, 2003
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Hi Mike,
I see your "HUH" and raise you a "what's he talking about?" And I don't recognize most of his "abbreviations..." I couldn't really make any sense of the comment.
73,
Larry
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by WA2JJH on February 22, 2003
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Please disregard my strange post. A non ham MOS friend of mine was over to check out something I am building.
He saw the E-Ham site. He was involved in the WTC cleanup. He asked if he could put in his opinion.
I should have payed more attention to what he typed in.
He wants to be a ham some day. I can see how some of his abbrives and lingo are particular to his profession.
He is just used to talking that way on the job.
I am his ELMER. He liked E-Ham very much. Since he does not have his ham ticket yet, he really liked the site.
He will get his own subscription in fact.
Any way sorry if his post seemed to be from out of the scope, or was taken the wrong way.
I think I will tell him to spend more time listening
on the bands, and learn to copy more CW.
73 De MIKE
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by WA9SVD on February 22, 2003
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Hi Mike,
Well, your explanation makes sense... Maybe ask your friend to explain the abbreviations he used. And good luck in Elmering.
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by DUPANOUS on February 22, 2003
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New TV Show Coming This Fall - "Hams with Badges".
You'll laugh out loud as you watch these wanna-be police impersonators fumble around pretending to have ultimate authority! It'll have you on the edge of your seat as you watch them flash their phony badges at
unsuspecting people. See them spend many nights in jail as a result of their actions! You'll roll on the floor laughing as their new cellmates "show them the ropes" in the jailcell. It'll have you in stitches as you watch "Hams with Badges" try to convince authorities that the FCC gave them some sort of special power when they were granted an amateur radio call sign. Watch them make complete fools of themselves every step of the way as they interfere in real live emergency situations, flashing their goofy badges every chance they get.
New this fall... "Hams with Badges"... Don't miss it!
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by WA2JJH on February 22, 2003
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Do not think the show will get good nielson ratings or survive FEB. sweeps.
1)Most of the population does not know that hams exist anymore.
2) The same type of genre has been done.
Several movies come to mind.
They were not Hams, but WANNA be Cops and Mercs.There was a flick with Carol O,conner(1973) in where a bunch of AUX cops over stepped their authority.
3) Also it has been shown that movies or TV shows that have bad ratings during a test pilot and development, never gets the green light.
4)Do you want to see a movie in which, a ultra rare minority of hams will be killed, or no longer have a choice of sexual preference in jail?
How about a football game USMC vs Radio power geeks!
12 camera shoot. Play it in August in Miami.
73 and laughs MIKE
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by WA9SVD on February 22, 2003
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To WA4MJF:
Hi Ronnie,
I understand your point. Anyone actually working in EOC should be entitled to an ID Badge for recognition. But I think the idea here has been the availability and possible use of a "shield" type badge. While those in authority will (most likely) recognize them as a fake that does not confer any authority, the problem is that your "John or Jane Doe" Mr. or Ms Public, doesn't know the difference. And there are plenty of "wannabe's" out there that could pretend to have authority simply by flashing a shield type badge. And that's where "impersonating an officer" may be applicable.
I agree, it's NOT just Police Officers that have shield type badges; Firemen, Paramedics, etc. DO have shields on their uniform. But thses ARE people that have authority; a Ham operator with a shield has no more authority than Mr. or Ms. J.Q. Public.
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by KD5AFE on February 24, 2003
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I am involved with Emergency Management (Public Information Officer and Communications Officer) as well as MARS.
There are several hams in our area that I would hesitate to use to hand out water, and there are some who are others that I wouldn't hesitate to work with. No, I'm not in it for the glory, there is none. I am in it to help the community in which I live.
My point is this, not every ham is interested in volunteering their time for these services, just like not every ham is interested in hf, or cw. To each his/her own.
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by KB3FP on February 24, 2003
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I would agree with this, non emergency but necessary traffic.
When I was in the military in the 80's, there was a combat element, combat service element, and if I recall correctly the acronym, the combat service support element. Each had a job, the combat element was obvious, combat support was in direct support of the combat, but the CSSE was one level removed, more of an infastructure support.
Akin to this, Ham Op would show up in the third level. The primary dispatchers would be in the second, the first responders in the first. Mike's point on communications makes perfect sense in this structure.
With this in mind, the Ham should have no business as a first responder, unless otherwise trained. The Ham should, if located in a fire dept for example, establish and maintain comm with the operations center, etc, to ensure that there is redundancy if needed. Secondly, pass non emergency traffic so as not to tie up the emergency freq's. Third, be ready to reliquish the microphone if the primarys go down, and "supervise" the primary people who need to talk to each other using the now primary formerly redundant Ham comm link. When your Ham gear becomes the primary mode of communication, you've now transcended the third level, and into the second level. Translation, get off the radio and back off to the third level, supporting the second, where you, by law, "control" your station (or whatever the specific language is).
The people who want a badge that the original author objects to, they will appear in all forms of life and all endeavours, not limited to Ham radio. (My badge gets me into the EOC so I can give the person there a shift off, if needed, other than that it lives happily in my wallet.) I would agree that while being well intentioned, they probably are somewhat clueless. However, those who eschew practicing tactical skills such as operating as net control, passing traffic, setting up in a nonstandard location, etc, and just assume that someone can walk in and be of assistance in a true emergency are just as clueless, the time to learn is not in the time of need.
I, personally, feel that while Amateur Service is, I agree, a hobby we have a vested interest in the general public seeing a true value to having Ham's around. The next wave of technology is upon us, and it's based on wireless. This makes any spectrum valuable, and what we're essentially asking is that the public give us something of value. I do not consider it unreasonable for the public to expect something in return. If they don't, our spectrum is highly at risk. Let's say the 2m band was put up to auction, the public would get benefit from that, in terms of hard cash. I personally feel that the dripping sarcasm of the original article is counterproductive, it assumes a right to have a hobby that is, essentially, taking a valuable asset from the public at large, yet believing that for some reason it's simply a fundamental right. I guess it would be akin to having a hobby of driving, and assuming that you can take a 30 mile section of the NJ turnpike just for hobby drivers, nobody else can use it, but it can't cost anything. That would be somewhat ridiculous, and perhaps not the best example, but hopefully you can understand what I'm trying to get to.
I understand that there are people with managerial challenges they must confront, but the mechanism to solve that is to provide a positive example, meaning more participation in the ARES events, so they have a better role model to work from.
James M. "Matt" Holcomb, KB3FTP
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by KA7MBQ on February 25, 2003
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I don't think the "Amateurs" involved in emergency communications are any less amateurs at what they do than the thousands of volunteer firemen and paramedics around the country are amateurs. What would you say when having a heart attack if I walked in and said hi, I'm an amateur paramedic.
I don't think we need to be called professionals, but amateur does sound bad. If you ask most "professional" dispatchers or cops what frequency they are on, they say channel one.
So when it comes to communications we are far above being an amateur.
I work on our local crisis intervention team as a volunteer. When I walk into a fatal accident or homicide my coat says "Crisis Intervention Team" not Amateur Crisis Intervention Team.
When we contact public service agencies to offer our services, especially in rural areas. Were in an up hill battle to prove were not amateurs when it comes to communications. That in times of crisis we can do things all their profesional radio operators and equipment can't.
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by N8EKT on February 27, 2003
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this has been a sore spot with me for a long time!
weather you get paid in cold hard cash or you get the
eoc to provide you a radio, or you get to put your repeater on the county repeater tower, it's all the same thing!
you are being paid to operate!
this is a grevious and blatent violation of the non-profit status so many hide behind!
it is at the least un-ethical and at most illegal!
this is so rampid throughout the country that everyone
seems to think it's ok! it's not!
i have personally known many hams that have been put
on the county payroll, and these hams would tell you that they would never take a bribe, but that is exactly
what this is!
professional by definition means to be paid, and that is exactly what's going on!
i refuse to participate in good ole fashioned palm greasing!
WAKE UP PEOPLE! this isn't a gray area, it's way into the black!
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by WA2JJH on February 27, 2003
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I agree that sort of activity is aweful. In Politics, it is called "pork barrel". For a group of common folk, it can be considered a R.I.C.C.O. violation.
A racket is a racket. Also it is a violation of the communications act of 1934 visa-vi ham radio.
I have experieced that situation. I can see how it harmlessly starts. Some will take out money for expenses. Then the expenses get expensive aand expansive.
No, I do not condon this behavior. However I would not bust a gut over it. Why,you may ask.....Your average so called honest elected official's get away with far worse! Everyday you tax money gets blown.
I wonder who paid for Clintons Cuban Cigars and
B.JAYs!
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by N9NWO on August 13, 2004
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The thing is that we already have MARS which does everything that a "Federal Emergency Radio Operator" or a "FECA" (Federal Emergency Communications Agency)would do. This includes a wide range of frequencies, disciplined nets, and high levels of trainging.
Also MARS already has ties to FEMA as well as DOD.
Greg Dean
N9NWO/AAV5ZO IN
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by WA6BFH on May 31, 2005
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Of course there is also the thought that the term “service” can mean a service to those who engage it!
If it is let’s say the Family Radio Service or FRS, that certainly serves the family that owns FRS radios, and makes use of them. Do we somehow expect 8 year old kids to go into ‘emergency communicator mode’ when a disaster strikes?
We all know that Amateur radio is supposed to be a self educational service for technical advancement. I’m guessing that some think otherwise? Maybe they feel guilty that the only thing that they can contribute is emergency communication. Maybe they are just into collecting wall paper as they hang out on 20 Meters. Maybe they are into collecting awards for contesting. I guess they are being well served!
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