DX Pet Peeve, or Displaying My Ignorance?
Web Williams (KR4WM)
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OK, I'm angry. I don't have a right to be, I'll admit it. I should be more patient, but it's very late and I want to go to bed. But I can't until I work this rare DX station that I've been listening to for the last two hours and a half. He's made about 10 contacts in this time period! I know he hears me -- he's running 100 watts into a 3-element beam antenna with a motorized rotor (he tells each contact this information -- what kind of rotor isn't motorized?). They also find out what kind of radio he's using. I'm amazed that he didn't go into a diatribe about what color of feedline he's using and how easily it rolls up and that he's not telling his contacts what he had for breakfast two weeks ago! He gives in miles his distance from blah blah blah (he's rare DX, anyone who's not an idiot KNOWS where he is!).
Then, strangely enough, he gives the mailing address where he's on VACATION for QSLing! He's leaving to go back stateside (so he says) in a couple of days, and won't even be there when his QSL cards come in! What is the purpose of giving the DX address where you're on vacation? I suppose that his cards are going to show up at the bungalow owner's home and then he'll have to forward them to the guy's stateside address -- long delays and needless extra postage.
He goes into the spelling of where he is with each contact, He also knows what radio and antenna each person he contacts is using because he asks each one and then repeats it back to them after he finds out! He then obtains their address and double-checks that he got the zip code and street spelling on every contact. Then he repeats all received information (radio, antenna, power, weather, etc.) received from his contact before going into his spiel about where he is, the weather, the physical attributes of the landmass he's on, etc. etc. ad nauseum. Then he ends each transmission with "OVER" so there's no way that you can tell when he's finished and waiting for another call!
Darn it- this guy is rare DX! He's in some rented bungalow on some island that I'll probably never get the chance to make contact with ever again! And he's taking forever with spelling common information in each contact that can EASILY be obtained in any callbook (printed OR internet)!
So I pull out all the stops trying to get him to hear me in between his 10-minute L-O-N-G contacts. I started out with 100 watts, but he didn't hear me returning his call. I increased power to 500 watts and he still didn't hear me. I went to 1500 watts, still nada. I'm using a decent tri-band beam at a decent height. There's no way he's not hearing me! I guess there is the possibility of one-way propagation, but then he hears a station only 100 miles south of me! Darn it -- he's IGNORING me! I stayed up late, stressing my level of patience caused by his long-windedness only to be ignored?
When I was operating as a DX station on vacation in Asia several years ago, I thought I was doing the right thing when I "ran 'em fast" like on Field Day. I would -NEVER- have made stateside stations wait 10 minutes in between tries for a contact with my rare DX location!!! I like a good old-fashioned rag chew as well as the next fellow, but my conscience would never allow me to rag-chew when I knew that I was rare DX and there was a line of people waiting to make contact with me!
This guy made some contacts that seemed to egg on his blab-mania causing him to ramble on forever about every form of minutia which made each QSO stretch on needlessly while the masses waited for a "hole" in the contacts to throw out their call.
I'm too upstanding of a person to QRM the guy with tune-ups to see if he really can't hear me or if he's purposefully ignoring me -- that's such a jerky thing to do. But someone else must have felt the same level of frustration I did, because they began to heterodyne his signal with intentional tune-up interference. You could tell it was intentional because it would happen every time the DX station talked.
OK already -- I have no right to intrude into this guy's ultimate vacation and tell him how to run his contacts. I just need a shoulder to cry on while I pull the big switch and go to bed because it's getting much too late, so I must miss this contact I've stayed up so late for because the DX station's mouth has become as the Energizer Bunny! It keeps on going, and going, and going...
Sign me -- WHINER!
(Yes, OK, I deserve every negative comment I get!)
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by K1MKF on March 4, 2003
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Been there, felt that!
Better yet my guy said he was taking only a few more calls so I hung around for another 20 minute contact just to hear him say QRT.
I guess when your the hunter you have to take the game as it comes to you but I certainly understand the frustration.
And, I'm not even a big DXer. I'm just trying to get my DXCC and with less than a 50% qsl rate it isn't easy.
Mark
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by N9AVY on March 4, 2003
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Been there. Done that ... and got the T-shirt !
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by WA4DOU on March 4, 2003
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Its his game and he has the right to call the shots. I doubt that "rare" is the right term for this dx location, since you stated he was operating from a rented location. DX'ing should teach patience. Its not an endeavor that one applies themselves to for a few years. DX'ing is a lifelong task. Nothing to get frustrated about. I've also had the dx to qrt before I worked him. There will always be another station in that country and another day.
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by KA5N on March 4, 2003
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Here's this desirable DX with a HUGE signal in QSO with
a stateside station with a HUGE signal. They are back
and forth comenting on how many times they have worked
each other. Into their computers for the exact time.
date and frequency. Then when they can work again and
on that elusive band where they haven't made it before.
This goes on for 30 minutes with dozens of stations
trying to break and the DX goes QRT. Instantly,
another DX station (also desirable and also with a
HUGE signal) and they start with the same rigamarole!!
I pulled the plug knowing that I wasn't going to live
long enough to work anybody.
Allen KA5N
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by K5DVW on March 4, 2003
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Maybe he just didnt want to talk to you?
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by KK9H on March 4, 2003
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I am sure that anyone who actively pursues DXCC has experienced similar frustrations, I know I have. The point I wish to make is that there will ususally always be another chance to work'em. It might not be for several years, but in today's world, even with all its current problems, people are always on the move and politics change. I suspect that someone else will eventually come to this island again with a ham rig, perhaps even the same guy that was there this time. I was not fortunate enough to get through to P5/4L4FN when he was there, but I am sure I will get another chance at P5 someday. Meanwhile I will just try to get the others I need until that time.
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by KB5HWS on March 4, 2003
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We would ALL do better to realize that each of us gets their own enjoyment out of amateur radio in different ways.
This guy was (apparently) on vacation - perhaps "working 'em fast" was not what he chose to do while on his own time. That is 100% his call. It's not his job to get you the rare DX.
Remember the rule of DX - Listen a heck of a lot more than you talk.
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This is a good example why I don't operate anything on any band anymore for the past 3 decades.
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by KB1FLR on March 4, 2003
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Just because he is rare DX doesn't mean he can't ragchew. I have had the opposite problem. I will hear someone calling from a country I haven't worked. I would like to find out what the op's life is like in that country. But instead, I get "you're 59 into Slobovia, name here is BlimLimLim, 73, QRZ?"
That is what frustrates me. My goal is DXCC where only ragchew QSO's count (preferably on CW). To each his own, though.
73 de KB1FLR, Rick
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by W7WV on March 4, 2003
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Maybe his intent was not to provide an opportunity for rare DX but simply have a QSO so he could ragchew.
It makes no difference. He controlled the QSO the way he wanted it, and obviously not to your desires.
Live with it or turn it off. It's only a hobby.
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by N0XU on March 4, 2003
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OK, Whiner, let me get this straight: just because he spent his own money traveling to some foreign location you describe as rare, he has some duty to you to operate in a manner that pleases you? If I spent money to go to a DX location (which I did; I leave Thursday), I'm going to operate in any dagum manner I please as long as it is legal and courteous.
I've been a DX before, working in a remote location. I get riled at the attitude that because I'm a ham and I'm somewhere rare, I have some unwritten duty to the ham community at large to provide as many QSO's as possible every time I got on the radio. This is the attitude that caused some lid to break into a conversation I was having with my mother on her birthday.
My suggestion is: get some perspective. It's only a piece of paper.
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by N8VCL on March 4, 2003
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Send all your HF gear to me and hang out on your local repeater... hi hi.
Hope you feel better after getting that off your chest. It's a hobby man. Relax. Enjoy....
fwiw
Scott
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by K8AG on March 4, 2003
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I know it is hrd to pick out important information when an op rants or drones on about "the color of the feed cable" ;), but was there a chance this op was running split frequency? If so, they would not have heard you coming back.
FWIW
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by K3UD on March 4, 2003
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Maybe this is the way the guy likes to operate.
Some of the best DX contacts I have had involved rather good ragchews. I remember waiting for hours to chat with one of the hame down at Amudson base at the south pole. Would call everytime he signed and finally got a response and had a very nice 15 minute ragchew. I considered it worth the wait.
I have always thought if I ever had a chance to get to a semi rare DX location and was fortunate enough to be able to bring a rig, get licensed and put up a simple antenna, My operation would be very casual. I would do a lot of ragchewing rather than the DX contest style of seeing how many I could work per minute per band. The former is enjoyable, the latter is work. The DX op usually will let you know via his or her operating style as to what you can expect.
73
George
K3UD
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by KG6AMW on March 4, 2003
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Your frustration is misplaced. Clearly it was not a dxpedition, but someone on vacation ragchewing at distance. By the way, have you ever worked a pile up via a dipole or vertical? I now use a triage method on dx, 6 or 8 attempts and move on to the next victim.
KG6AMW
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by KT8K on March 4, 2003
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This sort of experience builds character, and karma, if you can keep your head. It promotes a zen-like and serene patience with the universe from which we can each benefit. If one person is vacationing there, another will also, and they may be more into the maximum QSO rate, to your benefit.
I could whine about trying to make contacts in the ARRL DX phone test last weekend with my 2 watts - all I have on SSB - and averaging 2 QSOs per hour of screaming my callsign into the microphone ... but I won't. :-)
Good reception de kt8k - Tim
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by W9SZ on March 4, 2003
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You didn't say where he was located. What is RARE DX to you might not really be rare. (I know, any country you haven't worked yet is rare! :-)
Can you give us a hint? A station in a truly rare country probably isn't going to be ragchewing.
It took me 30 hours of calling to make my first QSO with 3Y0PI (one of the rarest of the 1990's). I didn't complain. All the frustration melted away when I made a QSO.
It took me almost 20 hours to work 9G1AA. They were painfully slow on CW. I didn't complain then, either. 9G was VERY rare at the time but is almost commonplace now.
Same with 3V, ZA, V5, 5A, etc. They were rare when they first appeared but have become commonplace. OTOH, some places that had very active hams like Z2, A2, C9 have become more rare since there's not much activity from them.
Really rare DXCC entities like VU4, VU7, 3Y/Bouvet, VK0H, 7O, etc. are going to be very interesting when they get activated again. If you stick with it to challenge THOSE pileups, it will show what you're made of! :-)
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by KU4QD on March 4, 2003
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I will be DX this December. I expect to get piled up on as I did the last time I was in a desirable QTH. Guess what? I'm a ragchewer. I like talking to people and listening to people and learning about their lives. I don't care about contests and awards. That is how I enjoy my hobby.
Now, tell me this? I'm on vacation. I like to ragchew. I hate hello/59/goodbye QSOs. You want me to change my operating practices to suit you and lose my enjoyment of the hobby just because I'm vacationing overseas?
Sorry, no. This has to be the most selfish thread I have ever seen posted.
You know what I do if the pileup becomes big and obnoxious? I go QRT.
I am certain you will hate me this winter.
72/73,
Caity
KU4QD
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by W2PA on March 4, 2003
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Very funny story, Web. We've all been there at one time or another so you'll get no negative comment from me. Just relax and take it in stride. You'll laugh at it all later when you'e worked that one on five bands.
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by N3BIF on March 4, 2003
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Poor Baby ! It's your birhtright as a Dxer to work everyone you desire on your own terms ! I hope the guy didnt sleep or eat while he was there.
You are really doing a disservice to your fellow dxers, as folks will use your post to stereotype all dxers, sad, or is that the way dxers wished to be portrayed ?
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by K1MKF on March 4, 2003
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I think Web is getting a rough treatment from some of you. He's not a whiner, he was just a little frustrated and wanted to comiserate a bit. Those that have been there understood. Those that told him to relax, get a life, move on after 6-8 calls or don't worry sometime later in life he'll get that country were all offering helpful advice. But those that crucify poor Web for sharing his frustration are being a bit rough. Tolerance is the word of the day. Web wasn't a lid trying to get the DX he was just sharing his frustration. And, you may not have noticed, he was trying to be a little funny at the same time. I think he succeeded.
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by N2NFG on March 4, 2003
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Hi Web, Relax! That DX couldn't have been that rare to be operating from a guest room. Chances are very good that you will work that particular country sooner or later. In the mean time, there's plenty more DX to work, if you are really a DXer. A real DXer would be almost disapointed to have had only one QSO on one band with the rare one. (Yes, there are exceptions, I'd love to have P5 on any band). But...most DXpeditions to the rare spots operate on multiple bands and modes. The REAL DX hound goes for as many bands and modes as he can. What's that you say; your DXing is controlled by your triband beam and microphone? Sorry, you're not a DXer yet. Let's see....9 HF bands, with the exception of 30 meters, you got a shot at 17 QSOs between SSB and CW. (What's that? You don't work CW? Sorry, you're just not a SERIOUS DXer.) Most of these operations also do some RTTY, 6 Meter, and satelite operations. Hmm...thats at least another 10 or so band/mode opportunities. It's really neat getting multiple QSL cards from that rare one because they couldn't fit all of your QSOs on one card! This goes for day to day DXing also. If you're not willing to go after as many band/mode combinations even for the not so rare countries, DXing becomes either very boring or very frustrating.Waiting for hours for one guy in a hotel room to get a single QSO on a single band? Yawn! Anyway, it really could not have been that rare of a country. If it was, the usual nonsense would have started. 1. Packet spot. 2.Several hundred idiots on frequency asking where's the DX? 3.Several hundred DX police telling everyone to shut up and listen up. 4. Now impossible to have ten minute ragchews, the frustrated vacationer pulls the plug. This would not have taken hours; minutes is what we're talking. So relax, Web. Someone will be back there soon. I'll bet that in the time you sat there stewing, you could have gone to a different band or mode and picked up at least one new one.
73, Bob N2NFG
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by N2NFG on March 4, 2003
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Hi Web, Relax! That DX couldn't have been that rare to be operating from a guest room. Chances are very good that you will work that particular country sooner or later. In the mean time, there's plenty more DX to work, if you are really a DXer. A real DXer would be almost disapointed to have had only one QSO on one band with the rare one. (Yes, there are exceptions, I'd love to have P5 on any band). But...most DXpeditions to the rare spots operate on multiple bands and modes. The REAL DX hound goes for as many bands and modes as he can. What's that you say; your DXing is controlled by your triband beam and microphone? Sorry, you're not a DXer yet. Let's see....9 HF bands, with the exception of 30 meters, you got a shot at 17 QSOs between SSB and CW. (What's that? You don't work CW? Sorry, you're just not a SERIOUS DXer.) Most of these operations also do some RTTY, 6 Meter, and satelite operations. Hmm...thats at least another 10 or so band/mode opportunities. It's really neat getting multiple QSL cards from that rare one because they couldn't fit all of your QSOs on one card! This goes for day to day DXing also. If you're not willing to go after as many band/mode combinations even for the not so rare countries, DXing becomes either very boring or very frustrating.Waiting for hours for one guy in a hotel room to get a single QSO on a single band? Yawn! Anyway, it really could not have been that rare of a country. If it was, the usual nonsense would have started. 1. Packet spot. 2.Several hundred idiots on frequency asking where's the DX? 3.Several hundred DX police telling everyone to shut up and listen up. 4. Now impossible to have ten minute ragchews, the frustrated vacationer pulls the plug. This would not have taken hours; minutes is what we're talking. So relax, Web. Someone will be back there soon. I'll bet that in the time you sat there stewing, you could have gone to a different band or mode and picked up at least one new one.
73, Bob N2NFG
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by WA4MJF on March 4, 2003
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The "Armstrong rotor" is not motorized.
Often used by young hams and hams from
poorer nations aka third world. I had one many
moons ago. The simplest one is where you just
reach out the window and turn the mast. A
fancier model has a lever, often a monkey
wrench or big pair of vise grips. This causes
less wear and tear on the palms of the hands.
73 de Ronnie
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by NI0C on March 4, 2003
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About twelve years ago, I needed Rwanda for a new country. I heard Hartmut, 9X5HG, many times on both 15 and 20 meters CW. He wanted a conversation with each QSO, so he would only work a few stations at each operating session, with a minimum of 10-15 minutes per contact. I felt frustrated each time my calls would go unanswered, but after a while, I got to know this fellow pretty well. I enjoyed listening to his conversations, I got know his CW fist, and his operating habits, and the fact that he did not like pileups. I developed an enormous respect for him. One day, after pursuing him for over a year, I heard a CQ. I knew by his signal characteristics and fist that it was Hartmut. I set my transmit VFO up about 2 KHz and gave him a long call. When I stood by, he came back to me on my transmit frequency! I knew from months of listening to him that he was likely to do that. It was my turn now. So we had about a ten minute conversation. It stands out as one of my more memorable QSO's.
73 & happy hunting!
Chuck NI0C
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by RobertKoernerExAE7G on March 4, 2003
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Good rant Web; nice prose.
I like the part about QSLing to the vacation cottage (in a country where the mail is unreliable?).
It's even better when they switch from rag chewing to rapid Qs, contest style, and it starts to rain at your QTH--the rain static gets so loud, it covers his signal!
But, the best ones are the very RARE DX you struggle for days to work in monster pile ups. After finally getting trough, and waiting for months to get the QSL confirming your Q, it arrives! You got a RARE one, that only comes on once every 10-20 years confirmed!
Eventually you hear that the ops didn't have sufficient documentation--it won't count!
Even better than that one--the DXers weren't even in the country they claimed to be in! P5Romeo, just what the HELL were you thinking!? Sorta odd how he wound up living in the USA!
Oh well. If you work 'em all, then what will you do?
I'm still looking for 3C0, 7O, and BS7.
Did you know that China killed some hams headed to 1S?
Have FUN
Bob
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by W8OB on March 4, 2003
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Why would anyone want to go to a nice warm island on vacation and bring along ham radio? I am going to be taking off for a warm island in a little while, I won't call it rare because none of the vacation islands are rare. I plan on spending time with my honey of 20 years, ham radio can stay home and be there when I get back.
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by KX8N on March 4, 2003
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If it's for a contest, award, or whatever, working DX is meant to be fun. Why get so uptight about something that only exists to be enjoyable? Aren't there more important things in life to worry about?
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by 4UWMD on March 4, 2003
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I intend on taking a vacation very very soon, either via a bullet to the brain the way my great German Idol, Adolf did, or simply take a Libyan Jet Plane to Korea.
Those who intrude upon the serenity of those on their annual DX pilgrimage should be punished severely. I know that those who mess with the faithful at Mecca receive a harsh penalty, usually in the form of a stiff rod to their backs 50-100 times.
Gosh, this brings back fond memories of the torture rooms, electric shocks from my favorite Collins B+ supply. Makes me want to cry.
SH
Time to go work some VX, oops, sorry, I meant to say DX.
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by WN3VAW on March 4, 2003
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OK Web, you can take your tongue out of your cheek now.
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by KG4PZZ on March 4, 2003
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Web -- if you weren't having much luck with 1500 and a beam, think of those poor QRPers ;-).
Life's too short for worrying about a hobby... enjoy it when you can, if not, throw the big switch (much as you did). There's always another station on another band.
Fred
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by NE0P on March 4, 2003
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See here is what your problem was: You didn't call with your last two only. A small but growing group of SSB operators have discovered an unusual propagation phenomenon. For reasons yet unknown, but which are being speculated upon, the F2 layer refracts the ends of callsigns better than the beginning of callsigns. This can occur with up to a 20 db advantage. That is why last two callers will usually break the pileups easier than those of us giving full callsigns-their last two is getting refracted much stronger off of the F layer.
There is also the recently discovered effect of Faraday Rotation on the letters in a callsign. By the time you get to the last two letters, the Faraday Rotation has kicked in, and your signal has rotated sufficiently so that it is in the same polarization plane as the receiving station, regardless of initial antenna polarization. This is worth another 20db. So, giving full callsigns really puts you at a disadvantage. It is too bad that CW and RTTY operators have not learned of these recent discoveries, but I hear that CW operators are coming around.
So, next time give your last two only, and you won't have to wait in the pileup for long winded DX stations.
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by N7NOG on March 4, 2003
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No negatives. I've felt it all.
But a little encouragement perhaps:
I've been dx'ing seriously for about 15 years and have confirmed about 270 countries. Along the way there have been entities which have just eluded me, including some experiences just like you describe. For every one of those countries, I have eventually made a contact.
Greece (of all places) was impossible for me for years. I would holler and sweat over every faint signal. Nada. I finally gave up. Literally. when I heard a SV I just kept on tuning.
A few years ago I was reading the mail and heard a guy in Athens rag-chewing with a friend in California. I waited for a break and joined the conversation. Turns out the propagation was just "in" that day. I have since learned that propagation to Greece and vicinity (Albania, Turkey, Dodecanese and all) is infrequent, but predictable from Idaho.
If your guy was renting a bungalo, the qth was not much rarer than Greece. Eventually somebody will go there for a contest and you'll get him.
Keep the faith.
John N7NOG
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by KR4WM on March 4, 2003
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>WN3VAW
>OK Web, you can take your tongue out of your cheek >now.
Awww, you caught me!!! <GRIN>
Yes, I meant this entire treatise with total levity. Unfortunately (for me) the story -IS- true. Thanks for all the comments that I need to learn patience.
I was a career firefighter and patience is not something we are trained in. However, I just retired a month ago- and hope to learn patience soon! I'm working on it by being forced to await the arrival of my third grandchild! My daughter-in-law mumbled something to me about having to wait nine months....! The sheer GALL of that girl!
For the ones of you who wondered where the DX was at the time- it was Easter Island. I'm sure I'll get another chance at it in the future, I just hope I'm on the air when it happens!
To the guy that took a long time to get 3Y0PI, I got 'em on the third call! (Usually do get all DX by the fourth or fifth call...I think it's part of the unfair advantage I enjoy by living next to the ocean!)
You're welcome to visit and see what I'm talking about!
To the serious ones of you who felt I would take the liberty of ruining your dream vacation- lighten up, I'm just pokin' fun!!!
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by RADIO123US on March 4, 2003
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If you really want a pet peeve regarding
DXing it the the practice of "insurance"
contacts. How many times do the big guns
have to contact a station on the same band
to make sure they got the QSO in the log ???
I run 100 watts to a dipole and would probably
be able to work some of the DX if it were not for
the stations in the pileups that say stuff like
"glad to work you for the 5th time this week"...
I think it's wonderful that some hams can afford
big stations with big antenna systems, but I don't
think they need to jump into every pileup just to
prove to the world that they still have the best station. By the way, these are the same guys that
will bust a pileup only to ask the DX station what his callsign is ... they are not interested in the DX, they
are only wanting to prove once again who has the
biggest and strongest station...
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by AC0X on March 4, 2003
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WA8KJP wrote:
> This is a good example why I don't operate anything
> on any band anymore for the past 3 decades.
Since your license is current (as per the FCC web site), that means you've taken the time to renew your license for those "past 3 decades" even though you "don't operate anything on any band anymore". By my calcs that's 5 renewals in that time (licenses used to be 5 years instead of 10 years for those who don't remember that). If you dislike the hobby so much, why did you bother?
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by KG4OOA on March 5, 2003
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Hi Whiner,
Are you the same guy that talks about the great friendships that arise in the ham radio community too? Is there a rule that states no qso with a DXCC entity will last any longer than necessary to pass a signal report? I think if we want these friendships we need to say more that 59 which is usually a big lie most of the time (every signal from qrp to a kw is 59, hard to believe). I like to get to know who I am talking to a little and yes, to work them again.
I know, you want to work the dx NOW! Take it easy, you have your whole life. Take your time and the doctor will like your blood pressure numbers better. This is only a hobby. You'll work that dx someday. In the meantime lighten upget to know some guys and enjoy yourself and your hobby.
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by N0XU on March 5, 2003
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<snip> To the guy that took a long time to get 3Y0PI, I got 'em on the third call! <snip>
I didn't even have to call 3Y0C; he called me! Blew my boat out of the water....'course, I was working as KC4AAC at the time and was working a pileup, but still...
73 Drew N0XU
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by KR4WM on March 5, 2003
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To 4UWMD: Are you sure you aren't the host on some comedy TV show???? That's about the funniest political satire I think I've ever read!!! If nobody has checked out his user profile- go look at it!!! I would go visit the website, but it might truly be Iraqi in nature, and I don't want the FBI's carnivore system tracking MY internet moves!!! Anyone with a sense of humor this keen goofing on Saddam gets my vote!
73, -Web
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by AB7FS on March 5, 2003
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To get a different perspective, try taking a vacation like that yourself. I operate as ZK1AND from the Cook Islands - and WOW - do I see DX differently!!
You can't get on the air to chat with a friend anywhere without a pile of people jumping in wanting a contact. If you decide on "giving out contacts" - then you contend with HUGE pileups - they can be fun if there are only a couple of dozen stations and they are courteous - but when there are hundreds (or thousands) of stations fighting to make contact -- with rudeness, dead carriers and general QRM - the fun goes away fast! There are dozens of resident hams in the Cook Islands - virtually none are active - its not fun for them! Most of the Cook contacts come from people like me who are on vacation or DXpeditions. (residents have 2x2 calls, visitor 2x3 callsigns)
Then there's the cost and time involved in QSLing - you try getting out THOUSANDS of QSL cards!!! Even with "green stamps" a vacation dxepedition can cost several hundred dollars in qsling.
Last time I was in Rarotonga I made 1500 contacts - another ham on a DXpedition made over 10,000 in the same 2 week time frame.
We each do our own thing in our own way -- that's the strength of ham radio.
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by K0PP on March 5, 2003
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I'll wager he was more interested in "chatting" with his contacts ... regardless of whether you agree he should or not. Maybe he's simply a newbie and enjoying his vacation. Like another poster said ... I doubt he's "rare" ... and BTW, "rare" is anything you haven't worked. (:-))
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
VP5PP, KP2A/KP5, 4M5I, 4M5A, C6, VP2, etc.
DXCC/CW 310
k0pp@arrl.net
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by W8GAS on March 5, 2003
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To NE0P I am the first to admit that I am not the sharpest tack in the box. I read your comments several times, and I'm more confused now than I was at first. If you use only the last two letters, eliminating the first two, three, or four, doesn't the last two now become the first two? Now if you drop the first two, which are really the last two, there isn't much left to say. Is this what is commonly refered to as mic fright?
Just a thought
Gord
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by K5UJ on March 5, 2003
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I agree with AB7FS. There are two sides to this. Yes, I agree that it can be frustrating when you find a new one and you'd like to get him in the log B4 the band goes south on you. But from my one experience as dx, I can understand the dx side too. First, there are two kinds of dx situations:
1. The ham is there for the long haul. Maybe he's on some kind of multi-year posting to that part of the world or is a native and there for life.
2. Someone on a dxpedition or vacationing or passing through on business.
I was #1. When you are first QRV, it's a total gas. Everytime you operate the pileups are huge; all you have to say is QRZed from <callsign> and "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA..." is all you hear in your headphones. Eventually you want to have a normal qso though--you know, one with a guy who wants to ragchew to whom you're not dx and doesn't want a card from you. QSLing becomes a chore. A few guys send you bribes. You try to look on QSLing as a service, but you divide your op. time between running stations to give out contacts and sort of trying to hide by operating when prop. to N.A. and Eu. is bad. Otherwise guys break in on your qso, not to ragchew, but to get a contact and run away. In a weird way, it's sort of like being a movie star trying to have a normal night out with friends but autograph seekers keep barging in on you while you're eating dinner. Nevertheless, it's a great thing to experience and everyone should try it if given the chance. You'll never have to worry about not having anyone to work.
So I can sympathize with no. 1. Less with no. 2 if they are in a country that almost never gets activated & they are there only for a few days. apologies for lousy spelling--in a hurry & 73
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by WS4V on March 5, 2003
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It's frustrating. Don't know his story but I've got a simple recommendation. Forget about it. It's a hobby. Turn the dial. If others follow suit then who is left to talk to him? It's like TV. If no one expresses interest the program will be cancelled. Same with ham radio (more or less).
If you ever want to ragchew look for me on 17meters. If you'd like I'll even tell you I'm in Svalbard Isl. if that will make you feel better :)
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by K4NR on March 5, 2003
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Interesting thread.
I remember the guys on VK0/H. I was running a small station (100 watts and a wire antenna). I chased those guys for a week. On the last night of the DXpedition, I was still at it. They were running 14195 split on 14200, 14205, 14210, and 14215. They QRXed for an operator change. The new op listed all the splits above and added 14220. I spun the transmit VFO to 14220 and worked them on the first call. Listening paid off! A few years later the same group activated VK0Z. By then I had a big station. I worked them on 4 bands in the first 2 hours. I remember thinking it was kind of anti-climatic.
I managed to work the P5 on 15 RTTY--what a thrill that was!
Now for VU7/A and VU7/L!! DX IS...
73 de Tom, K4NR
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by N2KDX on March 5, 2003
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I liked your post because of the balance you expressed - both the frustration of not making the contact and the realization that you'd catch a lot of flack for your expression. That is being perfectly human!
It's just too simplistic to say, "Chill out, it's just a hobby" because it certainly inspires a lot of passion in many of us. I wouldn't want a hobby that didn't. Too, I agree that an operator can run his station any way he pleases, within our established limits of law and courtesy.
What's the answer? Some guys just have the knack of working a pileup in a way that's both efficient and fun for everyone. I've heard plenty of OMs who get a few light comments and brief QSOs in during the pileup. They get my respect and admiration. It's a shame this guy didn't. Oh well, you did the right thing and that's better than some others might claim.
Good DX.
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by W2AGN on March 6, 2003
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N0XU said it all. If anything, he was too gentle.
I can't believe that not only would someone be so self-centered as to feel this way, and then post a crybaby whine like that so everyone could see how selfish they are.
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by N7DC on March 6, 2003
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Well, they are still responding to the original posting, apparently not reading between the lines. Yet, I too have suffered some of the frustration from both ends of this type of QSO. Having been a former ET2 ET3 SV0 VS6 YV5 G5 HZ 5A SU ST ETC ETC AD NASUEM, its frightening to get on the air and listen to the pileups get larger and larger. In Hong Kong I couldnt get away from the JAs, in Athens it was Europeans, and in Ethiopia, it was everyone and his cousin. The way to do that, of course, is to simply make one QSO and move on to another frequency. If I want pile ups, Ill stay on one freq. If I want to just Chat, Ill move after each one. If I hear one guy sticking on one frequency, and giving the same info over and over, as this one was reported, I know he is fishing. A good solid QSO doesnt consist of the same thing over-and-over. He would know that dozens or hundreds have heard what he has said, and would bother to inject a few other comments during each QSO. His repeating of an address, where he is not even going to be, certainly indicates the trotline is out.
As has been said, there will be others, and soon. E8s, E6s etc. are a dime a dozen, being hot spots for tourists from Europe. Rare, that means no ham lives there, and hams seldom put it on the air. Very rare: well how about VU7 VU4. And for you guys who worked P5 and 3Y, Bahhhhh.
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by KR4WM on March 6, 2003
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It's unfortunate that some of you are so serious about life that
you fail to see my intended humor. It's pretty obvious to me that
either A. You've had your ticket so long that you've worked
everything and no longer care, or B. You're just not open minded
enough to be able to look at it from the both guy's points of view
at the same time. Even after I admitted in a comment that my article
was meant tongue-in-cheek, the mean-spirited comments kept
on coming!
One of you missed that I had operated as DX in the past- (I was
at HS0AC), and had a blast! I had a nice "ragchew" with another
fellow in Thailand for about 30 minutes, then ran about 10 contacts
before the band went dead. I never had the opportunity for a pileup!
I never said I was anti-ragchew- and it is my opinion (to which I am
entitled) that a DX station should balance his time between modes
of operation if possible. There's nothing wrong with talking to someone
for 30 minutes, but for heaven's sake- give the multitudes a break if
you have a heart at all!
As far as the rude operators some of you have run into- I've seen
expressed in a few of these replies some of the rudest commentary
I think I've ever seen on e-ham.net. Loosen that choker your wives
put on your necks and take some of the stuffing out of your shirts!
You'll live longer and enjoy life more!
Remind me never to stir the bees nests in some of you guy's back
yards- I have a feeling some of you are feeding them gunpowder to
make 'em meaner!!!
My grandma said it best when I was quite small- "If you can't say
something nice, don't say anything at all!"
73 to all (even to you grinches), Web Williams in Myrtle Beach, SC
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by KD5TWG on March 6, 2003
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My bigger peave is when there is a hughe pileup and some jerk gets on with him and ragchews. He's trying to work a lot of contacts and the jerk wants to talk about the weather.
Also, I just don't understand why guys don't go to split more. All of the modern radios make it easy.
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by WB2TLQ on March 6, 2003
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Hi Web,
When I saw your follow-up post and noticed where the DX station was, I couldn't resist. I had the pleasure of working Easter Island -- and later when I checked my logging program I found it was my 100th country worked (3 confirmed so far, I am working on my QSLs:))
I did wonder if it was some sort of message from up above...
Bill
WB2TLQ
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by N0TONE on March 8, 2003
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WA8KJP wrote:
"This is a good example why I don't operate anything on any band anymore for the past 3 decades. "
Question - why do you bother to renew your license?
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by N0TONE on March 8, 2003
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When you get on the air, you have some idea of what sort of operation you want to do. Some days you want to chase DX, some days you want to ragchew. Some days you want to seek out slow speed CW ops to give them some practice. It's no different if you're DX.
My "work" (it's too fun to think of it as work) has me travelling all over the world. If I know in advance when and where I'm going to be, I try to get a reciprocal permit/license. I prefer not to bring rigs, instead using a club station where I'm going, if they exist. Some of the places I visit do not permit me to bring in transmitting gear.
When I'm the DX, I realize that getting on the air probably means a pile-up. I cringe a bit when this happens and I want to ragchew. If I'm in "ragchew" mode, I probably didn't bring the headphones, nor the logging computer. I'm really not ready to handle a pile-up, and not in the mental mood, either.
Just the way it is. If the DX wants to chew the fat, then he's not going to be ploughing through a pile-up. If I'm travelling to quell an uprising (OK, what I do is political, but business/political, and quelling an uprising is intended to be a humourous exaggeration), the last thing I want to do is to try to manage a pileup. Unfortunately, that doens't keep the pileup from happening when I put a signal on the air from Pakistan or Mongolia.
AM
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by NX7U on March 9, 2003
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Sorry...you lose. But you knew that already.
>He's in some rented bungalow on some island
His $, his rules.
When you were in Asia doing *your* thing, it was your $, your rules. And if someone tried to engage you in a ragchew, you probably ran through him to the next contact.
Which is perfectly fine....your $, your rules.
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by N5TU on March 10, 2003
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DXing is not entitlement and has no guarantees.
The deserving DXer shows patience and perseverence and even then may not be rewarded with the coveted contact.
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by W8FAX on March 10, 2003
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.........and besides, there is ALWAYS another one if you just wait it out. Better to get some sleep and pick up the next op from that location. You probably wouldn't have gotten a card anyhow........
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by G0UWK on March 14, 2003
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I Love working Dx, But i also love rag chewing,
Combine the two and you will work rare dx,
I'm on 10M i call cq get answered by NL7KF
we chat for 30 mins, the southern Europeans are going nuts we still chat, he goes, i work KL7***
we chat about heathkit gear for 20 mins he goes,
The “deserving” work nothing.
later that day i call cq RA3*** tells me i am a "G" station i will never get called by rare dx because i am from a common call area 30 mins later H44MS calls back we chat i'm happy,
The moral, SOME dxpeditions want to give YOU a new one
if the dx is resident (then its not quiet as rare)
they are sick of 59 qrz so they trawl the hiways & byways of HF looking for a lonely cq caller who is loud
to chat to because this way the qso is controlled
I am working more & more quality qso’s this way and having fun too because it's on my terms
Ian
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