Undermining Housing Associations...
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I have tried to get hams on the air over the years with what ever they have to use for an antenna with no success. If you are an expert at scheduling nets (I've tried everything) please try this in your area and across the country.
Here is what I propose, (this is not a joke) using indoor antennas for 160 meters (I use two outbacker antennas hooked in series) just get on and call CW.
Normally you wouldn't think you'd make any contacts but we may be surprised as more and more of us having to use repeaters make traditional CW contacts.
Use the most power you can without causing TVI this could be less than 100 watts.
If you have used indoor antennas on 40 and
75 meters you know how many contacts you can
make as opposed the higher bands.
On 160 we might be pleasantly surprised!
Just forget about theoretical physics for
once and have fun.
Here's net info:
1805 kHz every night/morning
3:00am pac time or 1100hrs UTC
Even if you have a 4000ft rhombic in your back yard, try hooking up an indoor antenna and join the group, why don't you run traffic handling and relay for hams with severe antenna restrictions with your monster antenna.
Then if you make any contacts (I think we will) go to my Yahoo Group and let us know what happened.
"There are five to ten hams in one square
mile of most areas"
Oh yes! If you can find a VLF transceiver
1750 meters this will work better, and
since no license is required you can't beat
actual on the air code practice.
I'm just betting on the lower layers of the
f2 region to add and cancel groundwave and
vertical radiation.
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by WN3VAW on May 3, 2003
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Sorry. This remains as puzzling (and uninteresting) as it was when you first posted it 2 weeks ago.
How does this undermine housing associations? What has any of this to do with housing associations? And didn't you admit the last time that you rent (not own) your home, which means that you didn't agree as an owner to HOA or CC&R restrictions anyway?
How do those with no 160 meter frequencies get on the air with anything?
Why not use 10 meters which Novices & Techs have access to, to maximize potential audience AND make a physically short antenna more practical?
Considering the severe power and antenna limitations for the 1750 meter band, how can this band possibly be used for anything practical? And how would we use it without upsetting the current experimenters on that band (both amateur and non-amateur)
What has 0300 PT / 1100Z got to do with any of this?
Outside of urban areas, what makes you believe that there are significant numbers of hams per square mile to make it worthwhile?
What makes you believe that you can arbitrarily repeal the laws of physics, which are not arbitrary except on Star Trek (and similar media where the pen is mightier than reality)?
Are we going to see this half-baked proposal repeated every few weeks after it "scrolls" off the screen... and why does eHam continue to promote it as a "interesting proposal" when it is anything but?
C'mon man! Make your case! You've done anything but!
If you want to promote late-night operating, and nets involving such, as a means to getting inactive and lightly active amateurs on the air, that's a great idea (though the execution needs some work). But what has that got to do with housing associations?
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by W7COM on May 3, 2003
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You're right. I still have no clue what this guy is talking about.
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by JN3XCV on May 3, 2003
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We keep seeing this drivel over and over and it still makes no sense. WD6EJN, come on man, go to the local community college and take introduction to english writing, your ability to communicate via the written word is very poor.
None of this posts makes any sense and I cannot see why eHam keeps putting these articles up. Doesn't someone proof read the content to see if it makes sense? If they do not why have article approval adminstators?
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by WA4DOU on May 3, 2003
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I'd say that the problem is the card is too large. There is a de facto standard in that the vast majority of amateurs world wide send cards that fit American 3-5/8" X 6-1/2" envelopes. However, when I first encountered larger cards, I began sending the longer "business size" envelopes and these work about 100% of the time. (I'd still rather have a folded card than none so I wouldn't complain).
Dx'ing, dx qsl'ing and going on dx'peditions isn't cheap. Cheap dx'ers will just find the going tougher.
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by WA4DOU on May 3, 2003
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Oops! How did that happen? Must have clicked on the wrong window! Pardon me guys! Wrong subject.
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by WD5KCA on May 3, 2003
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Hey WA4DOU,
It makes more sense than the original post.
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by W5HTW on May 3, 2003
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Huh? "Repeaters to make traditional cw contacts?"
Huh?
Ten hams per square mile?
Huh?
In fact, just plain old, "Huh?"
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by VA3BRR on May 3, 2003
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I still don't get this post either. I'm very glad you like 160 meters. I think your trying to organize a net but I don't think your one of the people you refer to in your article as a person good at organizing nets.
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by KE4MOB on May 3, 2003
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I didn't think much about this either until I noticed 3 AM Pacific....how is transmitting in the dead of night using an indoor antenna going to undermine or make a statement about anything? At 3 AM, you could probably run 1.5 KW into a 75 foot crank up with a 3 element beam on 10 meters and nobody in your neighborhood would complain!!! Everyone's asleep!!
This solution isn't about undermining housing associations, it's about caving in to them.
Steve, KE4MOB
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by K0MU on May 3, 2003
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Try running the origiaal post through this translator (might help).
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/jbc/home/chef.html
Here it is in 'Pig Latin':
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by K7LA on May 3, 2003
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This article is another waste of bandwidth on this server.
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by KA4KOE on May 3, 2003
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Is it my imagination, or has this article already run previously?????
Still hasn't improved on a second go.
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by KE4ZHN on May 3, 2003
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Did I miss something here? Or does this post NOT make much sense?
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by W5CPT on May 3, 2003
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Has anybody else looked up WD6EJN? I didn't think you were allowed to list "General Delivery" on your licence. I'm sure Larry Starkweather might be a nice guy, but I always wonder when a Ham appears to being hiding something (or him/her self).
Just a thought...
de W5CPT
Clint
(good in the callbook for those who remember when it used to be a book)..
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by KA5N on May 3, 2003
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As near as I can figure out, the writer thinks that the lower the operating frequency the better. Seems that the easy thing to do would be to use your house or apartment wiring as a giant antenna (remeber those ads?) and insert your handkey in a 60 Hertz outlet and let her rip. That ought to beat on air code practice!
Allen KA5N
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by RADIOWEENIE on May 4, 2003
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WD6EJN is obviously from California. But i do not think it is as simple a matter as perhaps having had a heavy bout with the sauce the night before. So show some understanding. WD6EJN is not trying to talk gibberish and see "how low he can go" in freq. He succeeds in making the point that HAMs can and do operate in areas cursed with CC&Rs. Moreover I think his article is encouraging in this particular regard because it shows that CC&Rs can be circumvented and defied even on 160m. There is value to it. Just try to look beyond the fact that he is the poster-child for the typical quintessential tetrahydrocannabinolic Californian.
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by KD5DGS on May 4, 2003
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Re general delivery by US Post Office.
In my zip code 77367, there are NO deliveries outside the Riverside TX post office.
In Spring TX post office zip code 77380, the idea that mail is delvered to you home was jetisoned in favor of the end of the cheep trailer court style mail boxes, never mind the cheep homes start at $250,000 and 4 thousand square feet.
Now add to this the 911 address mapping schedule, which has not much in common with the post office schedule, and you have a call sign with General Delivery.
Just an observation of course.
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by KC4EOE on May 5, 2003
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I'm sorry, this appears to me to be another example of why handhelds should have some sort of sheilding to prevent overexposure of RF to the frontal lobe. The evidence suggests that it does indeed cause dain brammage.
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by K5DVW on May 5, 2003
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Ahhhhh. Have a few beers and then it'll all make sense.
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by K1CJS on May 5, 2003
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To all:
Read the post from K0MU, translation makes all the difference! The translation was more understandable!!
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by N5CTI on May 5, 2003
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To RADIOWEENIE: Tetra-whah? Oh, you mean dope smoker! Thank God for online dictionaries! HIHI
73,
Boyd / N5CTI
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by WB2WIK on May 5, 2003
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I'm not sure how getting on 160m CW at 3 o'clock in the morning undermines housing associations, but next time I can't sleep, maybe I'll try it!
A better title would be, "Increase activity on 160 meters!" After all, it is a little-used band that many hams shy away from due to inadequate space for effective antennas. If all we really wanted to work was our neighbors, we could all use the equivalent of 160m "rubber duckies," and that should work just fine.
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by K9PO on May 5, 2003
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If you want to talk to Larry (WD6EJN) in detail baout his idea I suggest that you join his yahoo group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radiopenpals/
73
Scott
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by RADIOWEENIE on May 5, 2003
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I am not a Californian. Heaven Forbid! But i once lived there for about 2 1/2 years. I believe that Camarillo is the site of a nuthouse... er... uh, mental hospital.
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by WA9SVD on May 6, 2003
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Just a comment. A P.O. Box address doesn't necessarily mean someone is "hiding" their identity.
As difficult as it may be to believe, there are STILL locations in this country that do NOT have individual Postal delivery, or street numbers, and HAVE to rely on a P.O. Box number. (And try to explain that to FED-UPS or when trying to apply for a rebate on computer equipment!)
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by AG4QV on May 6, 2003
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I read WD6EJN's similar article several weeks ago and I didn't understand it then and I certainly don't understand this one now. And it is pretty obvious that I am not the only one.
To Scott, K9PO: I did go to the Yahoo group where I learned that the group has exactly two members and exactly two messages posted--both back in March. I did not join as I can already read WD6EJN's stuff here.
To Martin, KG6QKJ: IMHO Ham radio is 100% about communication. It's pretty clear that the problem here is a falure to communicate, or at least to communicate anything comprehendable. Even changing the subject line does NOT make the posting any better. And rather than defending WD6EJN, can YOU put his message into anything understandable?
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by RADIOWEENIE on May 7, 2003
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Hi there, Mart the Wart!! Ra-a-adiowe-e-enie here!! You are in luck! It just so happens that I am from Kalamazoo. And i'll just bet you can have an unmitigatable BALL with that one!! So have at it! Give me what i deserve! Let me have it because boy, am i ever asking for it!!
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by K3UOD on May 8, 2003
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I studiously avoided buying property in a CC&R community so this is not a problem for me. However, I've often wondered if anyone has tried making a motion at a HOA meeting that some or all of the CC&Rs be eliminated? This approach might work someplace where the cable TV service really sucks. The idea could be bundled with eliminating restrictions on wind chimes, bird feeders, and other such nonsense that builders put into the rules when they start HOAs and the home owners never think to change once they are no longer under the builder's thumb.
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WD6EJN's location demystified
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by N0TONE on May 8, 2003
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WD6EJN is homeless. That's why he does not actually need to care about CC&Rs. His inability to communicate might explain why he is homeless. Camarillo is plenty warm all year 'round, and homelessness is common and in fact, is considered a chosen way of life.
This is not spectulation. To verify Larry's status, go to his Yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radiopenpals/).
Notice the link to Amazon? If you cut that URL out, and paste it into your browser, you go to an Amazon page where he is soliciting $50,000. His plea reads, "Please help this homeless ham. I have provided numerous projects and articles to the ham community but cannot continue to practice this field without your donation.".
This also explains why he has commented, in the past, that he has to use a library computer.
Larry, if you're homeless, where do you string your antenna? Where do you keep your rig, to avoid having people steal it? In fact, what kind of rig do you use?
Here's hoping that Larry can find adequate work to provide an income so that he can establish a fixed station and decent antennas.
AM
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by KE2IV on May 8, 2003
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Folks,
My desire to be charitable suggests that perhaps this OM is suffering from Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia and we should just sit back and not respond.
Nonetheless, I do want to know one thing...
How do you "call CW"?
73,
KE2IV
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by K9PO on May 12, 2003
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WD6EJN，我不肯定我理解你在下邊寫的。我嘗試把它譯成若干不同的語言。但是迄今為止只是漢語對來說好象工作。我想那它是由于在中文中缺少正式的結构。我會向你建議你返回學校和學習基本編寫在你的下一個文章嘗試前面的技藝。
祝您好吒谀愕淖鳛樾侣動浾叩穆殬I生涯中的你。
我從來跟什?#92;一起嘗試數年來在空中上得到笨拙的演員他們必須使用對天線來說以沒有成?#92;。如果你是對安排网的專家（我嘗試了每個東西）請在你的地區中嘗試這和全國。
在這儿是我提議的，（這不是玩笑）在 160 米方面使用室內的天線（我使用二根更內地的天線在系列呈鉤狀）剛剛上和給 CW 打電話。
通常你不會認為你會做出任何聯系但是我們可以被惊奇如越來越我們中必須使用轉發器為傳統的 CW 做聯系。使用大多數力量你能夠而沒有引起 TVI 這能夠少于 100 瓦特。如果你在 40 和 75 米上使用了室內的天線你知道你能夠做出多少聯系如反對更高的樂隊。在 160 上我們可能被愉快地惊奇！剛剛忘記理論的物理學用于一次和玩得高興。
在這儿是淨的信息：
1805 年 kHz 每天晚上/早晨
3：上午 00 點 pac 時間或者 1100hrs UTC
即便你有 4000ft 在你的背部院子，用鉤鉤起室內的天線的試和連接中的 rhombic 團体，為什?#92;不你處理的被開的交通和拿著你的怪物天線以嚴肅的天線限制為了笨拙的演員接力傳送。然后如果你做出任何聯系（我認為我們希望）去到我的 Yahoo 團体和告訴我們發生的。
“在一大多數地區的平方英里里有五名到十名笨拙的演員”
啊是的！如果你能夠發現 VLF 無線電收發机 1750 這將更好地，和從那以后操縱的米沒有牌照需要你能夠不打實際在空气代碼實踐上。
我剛剛在對更低的 f2 個區域的層打賭加和取消 groundwave 和垂直的輻射。
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by N2HBZ on May 14, 2003
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KE2IV:
Look closely at your keyboard, then cut the dude some slack. He obviously meant to type "call CQ".
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by KB3JKB on June 19, 2003
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Thats what I thought at first ... but now I'm not so sure ???
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