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FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cost Your Ham Ticket:

from The ARRL Letter, Vol 22, No 15 on April 11, 2003
Website: http://www.arrl.org/
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FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cost Your Ham Ticket:

The FCC has let a trio of Idaho amateurs know that unlicensed operation outside Amateur Radio frequencies could lead to revocation of their ham tickets. FCC Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth recently wrote three Boise amateurs, citing allegations that they had transmitted without a license on several 11-meter frequencies.

"Information before the Commission indicates that you have transmitted without a license on 26.350, 27.420 and 27.700 MHz using SSB and SSTV," Hollingsworth said. He pointed out that, in addition to revocation proceedings, fines for unlicensed operation normally range from $7500 to $10,000. Letters went out March 17 to Dave Every, KD7QAS; John F. Hail, KD7QAW; and Tom M. Sjoberg, KD7RCS. Every holds a General ticket, while Hail and Sjoberg are Technician licensees. Hollingsworth says he understands that the unlicensed operations have ceased. The three frequencies involved are below and above the Citizens Band.

An Ohio ham, Dave K. Childers, N8QGI, also heard from Hollingsworth March 18 in a case involving alleged obscene or indecent transmissions last December on 27.115 MHz--CB channel 13. Hollingsworth did not raise the issue of unlicensed operation in that case, but he did spell out the FCC's position on the transmission of obscene or indecent words or language. He also requested Childers, a Technician licensee, to respond to the complaint within 20 days and indicated that a tape recording would be made available to him upon request.

Although the alleged Idaho and Ohio operations occurred on 11 meters, Hollingsworth said he contacted the four individuals only because it was determined that they were FCC Amateur Radio Service licensees. Complaints in the Idaho cases came from the amateur community, Hollingsworth indicated.

The FCC also sent a Warning Notice March 24 to Anthony L. Basile, N3HFB, of Pennsylvania, citing "monitoring information" indicating that the licensee has been deliberately interfering with three 2-meter repeater systems in his area. Hollingsworth warned of fines and revocation proceedings and said that until the matter is resolved, the FCC would not routinely renew Basile's Advanced class license, which expires in September. A similar Warning Notice went out March 18 to Tech Plus licensee Erin J. Rourke, N0KCN, of North Dakota, alleging deliberate interference to a 2-meter repeater in the Fargo area.

In another enforcement case, Hollingsworth has notified Drew B. Feldman of Los Angeles that the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau had set aside his Amateur Radio license KG6PFC. "That action is based upon complaints about the operation of your station," Hollingsworth wrote March 18. In May 2000, the FCC canceled Feldman's Tech Plus ticket, N3KSO, after he failed to appear as requested for re-examination. Feldman subsequently retested for the Technician license and was issued KG6PFC on February 20. Following the complaints, the FCC canceled the grant a month later.

Source:

The ARRL Letter Vol. 22, No. 15 April 11, 2003

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FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by KF4BOG on April 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I have to say that we need more of this to take place because a hear more and more bad stuff on 2meters then i hear on ten. Although the fcc pulled the grant . I wish they had worked on it more . Having your ham radio licence is big thing and i would not won't anything to happen to me and my callsign . so let's ne carful and follow the rules.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by WB9YCJ on April 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Riley, any effort to keep Hams off the illegal Children's Band is appreciated.

-Ken
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by N4MJG on April 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
i think thats a good idea because 11 meters started to get real bad these days i use to be one ,but atfer i got my lic it better than cb.so fellow the rules and u won't get cauht and lose your lics ! so guys watch those potty mouth and becareful,we got kids listen in over the air waves !!!!

73's
Jackie
KG4ORX
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by KC4EOE on April 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
So, in other words, it is OK to curse and swear and talk above and below the designated 40 channels on CB. Just don't do it if you are a licensed amateur operator? Am I missing something here?
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by WS4V on April 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Great job. Let's work more with 80 meters, though. I'm listening to 3.945 right now. Disgraceful. If it's not vulgarity it's constant misuse of the radio spectrum by seeing how much power they can put out with the linears.
Anyone else notice this?
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by KC4EOE on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with that one...3945, the number one spot on 75 meters to hear anti-government, racist, sexual and otherwise the most degenerite conversations on any given evening. There are some good guys there though, trying their best to hold back the forces of filth from taking over the frequency completely. I could go on, but will leave this for topic of debate on it's own forum later.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by SP5QIP on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
ROTFL. Maybe ARRL should better take care about a russian stations talking on 10m? CBers knows good, that there is an amateur band, but russian f*****ng taxi companies, transport, and other s**t are talking on 10m, and nobody cares. Is that more important to hunt a few HAMs talking somewhere on 11m, or get rid of bloody russians on 10m?
In Europe I can hear thousads of stations talking unde 10m band. Who cares? But a russian taxi company from a miidle of nowhere talking at the beginning of 10m band covering all the CW crowd is making me sick.
Maybe that is better way to clean the air ARRL ?
Mike
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by WB6YIY on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I agree, nice work I feel that any licenesed Ham Radio operator caught on unathorized freqs. should be given the MAX!!! This comment is from a 33yr veteren of the HOBBY..Keep up the good work!!
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by AC3P on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

Unfortunately the ARRL and FCC cannot control the Russians or Europeans. Their respective governments have to handle that. All the FCC can do is file an objection with the officials there.

Everyone who has a U.S. radio license should know that any illegal activities on any service can jeopardize all licences one holds including amateur and commercial. That's one of the reasons for the LID number the FCC requires for all transactions. It ties all one's licenses to a single cross-reference.

73

Frank
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by WB6YIY on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oops, should read 36yr vet not 33yrs. One more note, we have several unlicenesed ops on 10mtrs here in N.Nevada, and have had for several years!
Thanks,
Al WB6YIY
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by N4SNL on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Here, Here!! I wish they would bust every stinking out of bander as well. It needs to happen more and more. I have been living in Germany for a couple of years before we have to come back and if you transmit over here without a license Ham or CB they will come and take your equipment and fine you real fast and take your privileges away for quite a while. Should be like that world wide. Dream on I guess.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by N3IZN on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Any one listen to the .435 machine in LA? How about 75 meters during the afternoon drive? Id like to see some more clean up work where they claim to have authority rather than worry about what is going on in an unlicensed band that the rest of the world ignores.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by FELLOFFTHETRUCK on April 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Since any Bozo with two or less braincells can get a ham license, why would they want to bootleg on Chicken Band. Besides, with the two brain cell testing platform, they are all hams anyway..........
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by WA4MJF on April 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
26.35 is in the Broadcast Remote
Pick UP band that requires a license.
27.42 is between 27.41 and 27.43 in the
Business band that requires a license.
27.70 is a US Government allocation.

So, except for one, they were hardly in
an unlicensed band.

There is no excuse for such crap.

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by N4GI on April 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Someone is making tape recordings of people cussing on their CB's??? Boy, I sure wish I had that kind of free time.

The "policemen" must not have antennas capable of receiving 20 or 80 meters.....


Blake N4GI



 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by WA4MJF on April 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Probably the FCC makin' the recordin's so they'll
have more than just word of mouth evidence in
case their is a denial of the action.

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by KC8WCW on April 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KC4EOE makes an interesting point. Laying aside the underlying sarcasm, it does truly motivate one to think. Why is it that those who were motivated enough to get licensed in the first place, are the same ones who seem to be scrutinized the most on those adjacent bands? Don't misunderstand me, perhaps one could make a case for holding those who've been informed to a higher standard. On the other hand, education isn't exactly necessary when it comes to the subject of profanity on the air. Everyone who does it knows exactly what they're doing, and is well aware of the fact that they're not supposed to.

It's the same types who would've never taken the time to get licensed, or God forbid follow any rules and regulations, that made CB the barren wasteland of uselessness it is today. A lot more could've been done in the way of enforcement long before it fell apart. Who cares now?

That is one thing by the way, that frosts me. Hams are in constant fear of reallocation of various bands that they have been faithfully using in a legal manner for years. However, when you consider the amount of totally wasted spectrum such as that of CB among many, you have to conclude that there is still a vast amount of available space on the airwaves for something useful. Why dip into the pot in the Amateur spectrum, just because nobody feels like taking on the job of enforcing what is currently waisted spectrum that serves absolutely no useful purpose? Am I missing something?

KC8WCW
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by W5BFF on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
That's right. The whole point to Ammateur Radio is promoting international good will, etc, etc, etc... just because you're on the chicken band, doesn't mean you can act like a chicken bander... I hope to one-day see the chicken band cleaned up and taken back over by the hams... there's certainly enough interest in the hobby now-a-days, and I don't see why truckers and children shouldn't be regulated and the potty-mouths cleaned up.

Set an example!
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by N4DFP on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with most of the comments here, however enforcement will never work on 11m as it stands today. There is too much equipment out there and it is too easy to convert a 10m or 12m rig. The only answer to the 11m problem is to do away with the CB allocation there. How is this for a solution? Remove the CB allocation all together, and cease sales of 11m equipment. Easily done, just pull the type acceptance. Since the manufacturers and the citizenry would be up in arms, there would have to be a new allocation for CB...say from 49 to 50Mhz. Technically, all this would do is expand the FRS allocation. Equipment is available, and cheap. That would butt the CB band solidly up against a Ham allocation with incentive to enforce out of band operation; at the same time, out of band operation would not have global impact, just local. The crowning glory to this would be the re-allocation of 11m to Ham use and grat full low power priveleges to Technician Lisencees. To get on, a Tech would have to either satisfy himself with used equipment....not so bad, or buy, say a new 10-11-12m tribander. He then has incentive to upgrade to General, with 2 bands on his rig that he can't LEGALLY use. Then it would be just a simple matter of making a few (maybe a lot) of examples in the enforcement arena to clean up 11m. Is it too late to get a proposal like this on the WRC agenda? Any ideas?
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by KA0MR on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
This reinforces the contention that if the only license you posses is an amateur license it is your "primary" operating license for the band prescribed so in this case of the CB service and SSTV etc they were clearly operating "out of band".

This would also apply to operating licensed required devices such as marine radar in your automobile as well and you could lose your license.

This has been pointed out to the stations in Wichita Kansas that continue to operate marine radar for ARES and RACES severe storm spotting exercises but still operate with imputiny.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by N8IWK on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
It seems the licensed operators have more to loose.
So it seems, the FCC is going after the licensed operating illegally on the 11 meter band, what about the non licensed CB'ers operating illegally?

This goes to show that the FCC should have never done away with Citizen's Band licensing.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by W9JCM on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Why don't you people at the FCC enforce the illegal CBrs???? Thats been a long standing problem and NOTHING has been done. I hear them everyday on 10 meters. Also lets get some of the foul mouthed groups hanging out on 40/75 Meters. You guys seem to just do a little to appease the general pop. Cudos to the recent operations but lets do more.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by K2VI on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
riley is like the rudloph guliani of amature radio.thank god we have him in there.since he has been in this position 80 meters seems to have became a pleasant band.thanks RH!
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by KG4OOA on April 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Why is Riley warning them or any other violators? Give them their day and court and nail them to the wall. A few of those actions will make believers out of most of them. As for the rest, do it again and get rid of them.

It might sound harsh but it would be effective. We can't do too much about other countries but we could clean out our rotten apples. An additonal benefit for the government, all of that money from fines.

73,
Bob, KG4OOA
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by N1YRK on April 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<i> riley is like the rudloph guliani of amature radio.thank god we have him in there.since he has been in this position 80 meters seems to have became a pleasant band.thanks RH!</i><p>
Does this mean Riley will make it illegal for us to smoke in our shacks?
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by N1YRK on April 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<i> riley is like the rudloph guliani of amature radio.thank god we have him in there.since he has been in this position 80 meters seems to have became a pleasant band.thanks RH!</i><p>
Does this mean Riley will make it illegal for us to smoke in our shacks?
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by RADIOWEENIE on April 19, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KC4EOE, this is yet another of Riley Hollingsworth's instances of grandstanding. He is desperate for press and has to go to CB to find it. Ever hear of cursing on CB before? What about TV where they routinely talk sex, oral sex, masturbatory sex, and more sex? What does the self-righteous Mr Beanpole have to say about that? Is it all right for TV but not all right for hams to say on CB? What about "community standards"? N6AYJ has the right idea. He openly and publicly challenges Riley Hollingsworth to prove his point, then tells him to go to hell. Riley is notoriously unable to hold his own with any articulate person before an administrative law judge and knows it. He is a trifling martinet who has no conception of the "big picture". As a lawyer, he is pathetic, ineffective, and inadequate. His sense of self-worth is defined by his ability to intimidate and officiate against those who are unable to defend themselves. Very courageous and admirable character, he. Hopefully his time may be running out. He is a bureaucratic dinosaur relic of the 1970s whose time has clearly come and gone.
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by KA9VOI on April 20, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
First of all, recording one without their permission and knowlege there of is not usable in any legal action, and is illegal. Second, out of band is out of band, and that means that any operator that operates out of their segment of the band, should be punished in the same manner. We are all so worried about the CB'ers that we have not concentrated on our own bands. I've heard just as bad of language and slamming on 80 meters, no different from CB. So what are we saying, out of band on 11 meters, or is out of band out of band. Tis the same that one uses his/her modified 2 meter for commercial use, this in itself, consititutes out of band for that class of radio. And since we are at it, illegal is illegal, how many hams have exceded the legal power limit. Toss no stones, and judge not, for those that live in glass houses have no business throwing stones. I believe that illegal activity should be stopped, but lets do it all across the spectrum, and not be judgemental of "whom" they are.
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by KA9VOI on April 20, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Your right, we should take over the 11 meter band, and it can sit idol like 10 meters, for which I spend alot of time on, and open up a contest, band is busy for that weekend, and dead the rest. Just what we need, more dead spectrum. My suggestion is, if you don't like the way the band is going, do like I do, don't go there.
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by WB5FNW on April 21, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To flip on the other side (we can't do a thing with CB'ers, anyway) what about a non-ham on the amateur bands? Because we can, I enjoy checking the eham database of cw contacts I've had to send QSL's, and had a nice if hard-to-read contact with a QRP operator in Baton Rouge running 3 watts on 7.040 MC - QRP calling freq. Looked him up - not in database. Tried the FCC database - not there. According to the FCC, the call W4GNK is not currently issued. A wannabee. Almost insignificant pollution, but he chatted with at least one other ham while I was reading the mail. It's easy to get on SSB or FM, but not to do 15 WPM CW - mind you he missed words, was a little sloppy - could be an OT that forgot to renew, but I think he's a wannabee - you've got the 5 WPM, Mike if you're out there, it's only 50 multiple guess questions, but wait until you get your license!

Dick, WB5FNW
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by WA4MJF on April 21, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KA9VOI, you must be thinkin' of
tapin' a telephone conversation.

There is no law about tapin' a radio
transmission (nor TV for that matter).
There are laws about usin' broadcast
shows that you tape for other than
you own personal use.

The FCC tapes stuff all the time. Hams
tape stuff all the time. Regular ole
people tape stuff all the time.

Where on earth did you get such a cock
eyed notion?????

73 de Ronnie
 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by KC4EOE on April 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RADIOWEENIE, how is life on the river? Been out to the woodshed lately? Maybe your problem is that you spend way too much time there already. You may not mind subjecting your children to all the profane doctrine the world has to offer, but the MAJORITY (that excludes you) of the population does.
 
RE: FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could  
by KC8WCW on April 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KC4EOE: I'll tell ya what, I don't disagree with you. However, do yourself a favor. Don't respond to anyone on this site who signs in with anything other than a legitimate call sign. When I registered on this site, I don't recall anything on that page that requested a screen name, nickname, etc... As I recall, it stated callsign. There are only two reasons why someone would sign in otherwise. Either they like to hide in the safety and security of their little computer vestibule and remain anonymous. It's nice and safe that way ya know. Or, gosh could it possibly be, they don't have a license in the first place. In either case, they don't warrant a response.

KC8WCW

 
FCC Warns Amateurs: Unlicensed Operation Could Cos  
by HAMDUDE on April 26, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What a riot! Riley is worried about a couple of hams bootlegging on the illegal CB band freqs when literally thousands and thousands of illegal CBers pollute the air with filth and vulgarity 24-7 365! Although I find it a mystery why licensed hams would bother to operate on the chicken band, its sad to see them singled out among thousands of violators. Granted, those fellows knew they were doing something illegal, and should be punished, but cmon Riley, arent there more important busts you could work on? How about the hundreds of bootleggers on 10 mtrs.? How about the foul mouthed idiots on the low bands? Or the mysterious carrier throwers who roam the bands just to qrm people? Seems to me Riley always picks the easy ones to nail while others get away with murder for years on end. Guess its easy to write a letter when others rat out the so called violators. Notice how he always goes after people who other hams wrote about or some known ham who makes the mistake of giving his callsign even while breaking the rules. Why dont you hear of more jammers and anonymous qrmers and idiots getting nailed? Probably because it would actually take effort to catch them.......
 
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