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Hair-Trigger Product Reviews?
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Tom Whitehurst, KC5UN (ex-WD4MPN)
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June 9, 2003
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While I enjoy reading product reviews on eHam - they're usually the first thing I look at after entering the site - I do get a little annoyed when people send in perfect 5.0 scores for complex equipment they've just unpacked. I can appreciate the exhilarating experience of taking something out of the box and turning it on for the first time, and the desire to share it with thousands of others. However, other than verifying that your new radio has lights that come on and that it makes noise, I propose that a more meaningful review might be based on several months' experience.
Occasionally I see rave reviews based on a few hours with something ("the 'Extreme HAM-9000 Mark IIg Field' I just powered up for the first time is far better than the [insert 'Yaesu', 'Icom', 'Kenwood', etc.] I sold after owning it for six weeks.") only to see another review from the same person giving the same equipment a 0.0 score because it smoked a week later. Perhaps choices for the "time owned" field should be 0 to 3 hours, 3 hours to 3 days, 3 days to 3 weeks, etc? Short-term reviews should be restricted to stuff like; indoor speaker wire, with perhaps a separate category for "doobie" (dead-out-of-box) experiences. Other than doobies, numeric averages should only be calculated for equipment in the 3-month and older categories.
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by M3SKF on June 9, 2003
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good point made no radio is perfect some folk will never say they own a bad radio.I have been told that one guy puts good reviews on eham so he can get good user price when he sells...HMMM
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by W8OB on June 9, 2003
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Take the reviews with a grain of salt. When I see a review that states " first hour out of the box I worked 5n0,SU4 and SV0" I pass right by it without reading anything further. The fact that one happened to hit a band opening with a new rig has nothing to do with its performance. I agree some guys will never admit they have purchased a dog even if it bites them.
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by KB3HQX on June 9, 2003
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I usually scan the reviews pretty quickly, it's easy to spot the people who either don't know what they bought or can't understand how it's really supposed to operate. I don't care if the product is packed in a nice box, or if the manual is in color. I can also usually spot the "cranks" very quickly, those that wouldn't be happy if they found the perfect radio. You have to read these articles- not just the reviews, with your "human nature filter" turned on. Somewhere between cranks and cheerleaders, the truth lies.
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by N3HKN on June 9, 2003
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I agree with the 3 month limit. Unless the unit has a serious defect please do not post anything. I feel that much of the "need to share a
"power on experience" is as mature as the experience itself.
N3HKN
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by WA4ET on June 9, 2003
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Well having a NEW radio just less than two months, one might expect to get a Gee-WIZ-Bang review. After all, some of these new radios are awesome, considering there feature list. Some of the radios do everything but find the rare contact the YOU need, and work-em for you. Having said that, I can say I am fixing to right a review on a new radio I just purchased, that was just about the neatest thing since sliced bread, that is until it died only about a month after I got it. I kind of feel obligated to write it, as the real cost of purchasing the moderately expensive radio just went up by 50 bucks or so, because it is getting shipped back to Washington state for repair today.
It was real tempting to write a review of my new toy right after I got it, as I was really impressed with it,, but I resisted for some of the reasons already listed. Now I am not I am not so happy. I lost my new radio right before field Day. All I can say is, I am glad I had the good sense not to sell my TS-850, and had plan to use the other radio as the backup,, and for some of it's neat features. It seems all new radios have some skeletons in their closet these days,, unfortunately for Icom, they showed through so soon.
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by WW2RG on June 9, 2003
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I have just read your review and I have to say it is a solid "5" It was easy to read, easy to understand and was a much better article than the one I finished reading a few minutes ago. I certainly feel vindicated in my decision to read your article. It proves once again what a smart fellow I am. I would recommend your article to anyone.
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by AB0RE on June 9, 2003
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Exactly... somebody left a review for the Icom 703 a few weeks ago saying they were thinking about getting it, but decided on an 817 instead as it had a BNC connector and internal battery pack whereas the 703 did not. Thanks for the useful information - glad I could not have found that information elsewhere, hihi.
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by K3YD on June 9, 2003
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I think that the 3 month minimum ownership interval makes a lot of sense for qualitative reviews--especially considering the complexity of modern, full-menu radios. If someone has a good test bench and can provide a rapid quantitave analysis, then meaningful conclusions can be reached sooner.
However, we all know at least one guy with a lot of money, or many credit cards. He buys, then trades or sells about every six weeks, never owning a radio to the three month milestone! I have learned a few things from these guys, though not as much as the long-term owners. Should we exclude this kind of short term owner-review?
I agree totally that the 3 hour reviews (except DITB) have no place here.
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by KG6AMW on June 9, 2003
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Tell me where else can you get access to 19,800 equipment reviews/comments/rants for free? At some point with enough feedback, the truth comes through. I'll take them as is, hair trigger and all.
KG6AMW
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by K0BG on June 9, 2003
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I agree in part as there are always a few whose comments are more olio than fact. After all, when you spend thousands for a new rig it's the best! But once you discover a flaw or two it is human nature to blame the device rather than the judgement of the buyer. In any case, it is always caveat emptor.
Alan, KØBG
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by AC5E on June 9, 2003
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A prompt review does not bother me because first impressions are important - and it's an indication the learning curve is not so steep and the manual so poorly written that a new owner must spend several weeks learning just the basics.
What does bother me are the reviews that begin "I just got my ticket and the 'Superblaster 999X' I just unpacked is by far the best radio in the world. It has sixty three buttons and 109 menus."
Every review is a statement of comparative performance or worth, and unless you have something to use for comparison you have no way to judge the relative worth of anything.
73 Pete Allen AC5E
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by KA5N on June 9, 2003
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If you have been reading the Product Reviews in QST for many years you will remember how almost each rig that was reviewed had to be sent back to the manufacturer at least once during the review period. I found it really funny on almost all Heathkit reviews the reviewer would expound on the neat experience of building a kit and how he would be able to service it in the future and then telling how it had to be sent back to Benton Harbor for repair because it didn't work when assembled.
a product review is what somebody thinks about a product. We don't know how much experience or technical ability the reviewer has. So read several reviews and take what you can including the humor.
Allen KA5N
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by W0FM on June 9, 2003
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I certainly agree with the significance of "first impressions". Also, some products lend themselves to pretty quick evaluations. Some that come to mind are paddles and keys (a good op ususally can detect slop, slow response, adjustability, machine quality etc pretty quickly), simple kits that go together in a few hours (It's easy to review the completeness of the instructions, quality of the components, packaging, ease of operation and factory suport immediately upon completion of the kit). Another would be books and publications. I've read several on a weekend afternoon and felt that I could have reviewed them that evening.
Now, Super Slam-Bang MegaWhizzer III transceivers with 2,666 features and twice that many options paint a horse of a different color.
Terry, WØFM
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by KB1GYQ on June 9, 2003
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I mostly read the negative reviews anyway so the tendancy to love the new toy doesn't effect me too much; but I agree that positive reviews before the front end of the bathtub curve are of very little value.
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by CASPER669 on June 9, 2003
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What I usually do is to check the worst reviews for an item first. This usually foregoes the ever-popular, "I've owned it for an hour and what a great rig!" scenario. Then, I check the others to verify their integrity. Unlike older, and probably more technically advanced HAM's, I do appreciate the laymen. Does it work? Did one give it a 12/24 hour burn test? Which features were the most troublesome? Which features worked as well or better than advertised? What experience (if any) did one have with their tech-support? For those who are unaware, a burn test is when you leave it on, whether it is used or not. This usually determines immediately if there is a problem with the equipment. Otherwise, this is a well written article and I agree with most of the points in the comments, as well. My 2 cents worth! Thank's for reading and 73!
Chris KC2KFW
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by KA4P on June 9, 2003
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Nothing is a 5. I have had some really nice pieces of gear in my 26 years as a ham, but I have never had a piece of equipment that could not have had an addition or a modification that would have made it a little better.
By the same token, some of the 0 (zero) ratings probably deserved a higher number.
I tend to ignore 5's and 0's and pay more attention to the 1's through 4's.
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by WA4DOU on June 9, 2003
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I think some of the hams who read these product reviews are too critical. As one person noted, there are generally enough reviews to be able to read between the lines and interpolate results anyway. I'm not heavily dependent on reviews anyway, but it is nice to be able to read other opinions. They're a lot better than nothing. I hope those who don't believe in 0's or 5's have good internal calibration so that they are able to give products precise rateings without error.
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by WB2WIK on June 9, 2003
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The reviews are only opinions, and early reports of OOBEs (out of box experiences) are interesting and meaningful...as are reports of 20 year-old rigs that are still working perfectly!
I also dismiss the "worked this and that" reports, as they are truly not meaningful; but reports like "everybody has said my audio sounds great, the best they've ever heard me" are meaningful and it would be best if we focused on that stuff.
Reading the reviews, I've come to the conclusion that a very high rating doesn't mean much, but a very low rating from a large number of reviewers means quite a lot. If I see 100 reviews of some product and an overall score of 3 or less, that's a product I wouldn't buy.
WB2WIK/6
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by K8LEA on June 9, 2003
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Someday I'll do a review on my TH-F6A or VX-150. Then everybody will quit eHam and....
[ducking]
I like to see the "out of box" reports - what parts are missing (i.e., "can't get a cable to program the fool thing", "no belt clip", "crappy manual", etc.) as part of a purchase decision. If I can't get it going the way I want to without investing a lot of time and money, then perhaps I should avoid it....
I don't really care if the thing is dead on arrival unless the poster is going to say that the second one was too. That's going to happen once in a while. If it happens a lot, there are QC problems, of course, so I do appreciate seeing that information, too.
I also like to see the "goofy" stuff... . For example, my FT-1500M replaced an ancient Icom IC-28H that cost about three times as much. I wondered why the new one was so cheap (it's still about $150). Finally hit me the other day.... I use it for a scanner in the car, and one of the channels the local PD uses is set up for DCS, and is kind of noisy in some areas. THAT's why it's so cheap? I missed that when evaluating the radio prior to purchase.
(At that price, I'll grab something else for the car one of these days and find some other use for the FT-1500M. If the wife's not looking, that is....)
I don't mind it too much, but we all know that pioneers tend to get arrows in their backs. It's nice to avoid a few of them....
Stu.
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by KG4YBS on June 9, 2003
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hey, I just unpacked my new gee-whiz radio and boy was the it packed good. pictures in the manual and everything! it will even find the rare DX I need! as soon as I get a power supply and an antenna I'm sure it will be the best radio ever. Hope this review helps someone make the right purchase decision. :) tongue firmly planted in cheek
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by N0RKX on June 9, 2003
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It's a nice idea but as there's no way to verify or enforce so it will remain a nice idea. How many 0 ratings have been filed on the same gear that someone else gives a 5? How do you know the reviewer even owns the gear either positive or negative. I suspect that more than a few of the 5's and 0's are by people who have a love/hate relationship with a particular brand of gear.
Also, some of the reviewers need to change their expectations. I don't know how many reviews I've seen of the latest and greatest VHF/UHF mobile rig with the only complaint being susceptibilty to intermod. HELLOOOO!!! Your new scanner, oops I mean radio, recieves from DC to daylight and you expect it to perform like a ham bands only reciever? Not likely so don't gripe about it.
The reviews here should be taken for what they are, exceptionally subjective and possibly biased opinion. No policy implemented by eHam.net can/will change that.
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by KD7EFQ on June 9, 2003
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I Agree that some reviews are too superficial or possibly phony. I just want an Honest asessment of the item being reviewed. I use this site to get a "FEEL" for something before buying it. I also check the ARRL product reviews, but I think the ARRL is a little bit soft in their reviews, to keep from annoying their advertisers. I wish there was a serious Head to Head site that Critically measured Products against one another without taking sides.
KD7EFQ
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by K8YS on June 9, 2003
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Yes, there are a lot of hair triggered product reviews, there may be even some that are PAID product reviews too.
One of the reasons that I do not normally post with my call is that I made an HONEST evaluation of a radio, shortly there after, some lid in 9land jumped my case and said I was nuts, that I did not read the glowing remarks made by others and that I should not have gone contrary to others opinions.
So, yes, I agree that many commentors have only opened the box, applied power, and said (cause everyone else said so too) "GEE GREAT RADIO", when they are afraid to tell the world they screwed up and got burned.
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by K0RGR on June 9, 2003
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I recently learned a whole bunch of lessons about these reviews. I don't write many of them, but I recently did for a newly-acquired dual band mobile radio.
Normally, I don't buy anything without reading the reviews on eham, but oddly enough, I didn't do that until after I ordered this unit. At least I was forwarned about a couple of important 'gotchas' in the initial setup of this rig that would have caused me grief later on if I hadn't seen them. But I did not see all the negative reviews about poor intermod performance.
In this case, a number of folks reported putrid intermod performance. Others claimed that this radio was the best intermod performer ever. ARRL's lab tests also seemed to confirm that. However, my initial experience was alarming - with the rig connected to a high-performance vertical on my roof, two meters was often wiped out by pager intermods.
After going through the initial setups and making the highly recommended changes to the defaults, I found that the intermods were still very poor. However, I found that using the built-in RF attentuator greatly improved the situation. So, I wrote a review based on my initial, largely good first impressions.
The next two days, I used the unit mobile, and discovered that it was seriously compromised by pager intermod as I drove around town. So, I wrote an update to my first review.
To make a long story short, that was not my last update. I learned that I need to wait a while before doing any reviews, but it's important to get that initial impression information, too.
In this case, I think the wide range of reviews probably indicates that there is at least one big batch of these radios with some kind of defect that magnifies the intermod problems.
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by W5HTW on June 9, 2003
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Now that I'm on my third set of Drake B-Twins in 33 years, (bought the first set in 1970) it is time to say, I think they are great. Easy to work on, simple to operate, no extra gadgets like toasters or dishwashers or internal motherboards and modems, great manuals, heavy boxes, and good audio. I highly recommend them. I believe the warranty, though, has run out, so there may could be improvement in that area.
Perhaps in another 29 years I'll write a review on the Icom 706, after it gets broken in a bit more.
73
Ed
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by N6AJR on June 9, 2003
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I find almost all gear has supporters and detractors. I have owned probably 30 HF rigs, 30 or more HT's (yes I know HT is motorola's portable radio name) and probably 20 or so mobiles. I have owned converted CB amps and Clipperton L's and Amp Supply No Tuners, from 100 watts to 3 KW.
I get a good idea of how this is compared to that. I do some reviews here, and make lots of comments. I think I don't like Icom as well as most of the other rigs, not because they don't work well, but because I don't like menu driven radios, and the Icom buttons "feel" funny to me.
I Like some of almost everyones stuff, but not everything that any manufacture produces. I even like some of the MFJ stuff. As a rule of thumb for MFJ, if it has dual cross needles and is black, (not beige) then it will probably be ok. Mr. Jue tends to fill in those items that makes it easier to use your gear, like the mfj-259B analyzer and their 815b cross needle swr meters and their 945E 300 watt tuners etc. Then again some of their stuff is usless to me( like their DSP unit).
So I read the reviews with a grain of salt. What you need for being net control on a 40 meter net is a far cry from what you need for working Low earth orbit FM satalites... so read each review accordingly.
73 and thanks to Eham for giving us this forum. tom N6AJR
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by KE4MOB on June 9, 2003
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My last review was for a Struthers AN/URM 120A which I bought used off Ebay, and posted the review a week later. A good (4.0). In it, I reviewed it in comparision to a Bird 43 and gave some advice to potential buyers. Now was that a waste? Maybe. But hopefully, I've given a prospective buyer some help.
I'll agree, the "Hair-Trigger" reviews you talk of are not helpful. But I'll take a "Just unpacked radio A and think it's great. I've owned radios B, C, and D before and this is better" under advisement. Give me something about your experience, and I'll decide if I can trust you!!
Steve, KE4MOB
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by K0EWS on June 9, 2003
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I think it's a nice resource to look at different gear. Thanks to eHam for including it on the site. When I read them, I go for more of a general feel of what all the reviews say. Most of the reviews say a lot of the same things, and they point me into a direction with that piece of equipment. For instance, if 20 out of 30 people all point to a specific problem they've had with something, it gives me an idea of what to expect.
As for the out of the box reviews, I take it with a grain of salt, unless it's something like QSL cards or the like where you know right out of the box what you've gotten, and how reliable the service was.
All in all, I like things the way that they are, and this is one of many different resources to use when shopping. There are many more good things in the process than bad ones, and it's still the best ham related product review site on the net. My thanks to eHam for making it available.
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by K7LA on June 9, 2003
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Interesting article. I am of the belief that nothing is perfect, however I do enjoy product reviews from MOST contributors with realistic product expectations. These reviews are really the best part of the eham.net website.
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by W3DCG on June 9, 2003
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I agree with the "I'll take them all" as they are attitude.
I usually enjoy them, good and bad.
If I want measured, scientific, somewhat objective evaluations, I'll look at the QST Reviews.
Not that they are the end all be all, but- they have standards and are forthright with their testing methodology and parameters.
I also heavily consider eHam reviews before making a purchase. If I'm seriously looking to buy, I'll learn what I can about the critic, their personality, their signals if I ever hear them, and try to consider all this for that review, favorable and not. Like if the critic is a phone person primarily, and I'm looking for an excellent CW rig, I may skip to another reviewer who says they are 99 percent CW.
To me, a broad cross-section of people, from all walks of life, being happy with theirs and or not, matters- and I'll always be curious as to why.
I did one of those hair trigger reviews on my "First Radio," and hope that if anything it is entertaining. I plainly admitted it was my first rig in over 22 years, and I think that means, don't pay much attention to my review. In retrospect, over a year later I would still have given it a good review.
Now, If it's a major purchase, I carefully consider input from all available sources before rolling the dice.
And every purchase is a roll of the dice. Even if it's perfect 5.0s from professional engineer types, and your average week-end newbie ham.
Take the reviews for what they are, I say.
Individual opinions, some of them shoot-from-the-hip-knee-jerk, others highly considered opinions carrying the credibility of extensive experience.
In this regard, such reviews may prove to be equally as important as a QST review. QST reviews rarely carry the years of constant day-to-day use that some eHam reviewers say they have had with a rig that they have reviewed.
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by N9DG on June 9, 2003
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While the fresh out of the box reviews are slightly interesting, they aren't particularly valuable by themselves. What I'd still like to see, and have suggested before is a system where reviewers can come back and repeatedly amend their own reviews later. This needs to be restricted to no closer together than once every 60 days and no more than 5 amendments total. These amendments also need to be restricted to only adding new information, not removing any of the previous comments. If a reviewer’s opinion has changed over time for some reason they need to actually explain why.
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by KF6ZLB on June 9, 2003
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Perhaps there should be one or more rating entries that carry no weight in the numerical average, such as C for "comment", N for "unit too new to rate", and A for "addendum".
I have seen one case where the reviewer was indicating "I plan to buy one of these, they're great." He gave the unit a 5. Talk about a hair-trigger review. He could have used C (or E for "review by ESP").
On occasion people do make additional remarks after posting a review. If the additional information detracts from or enhances their rating, then they should probably put an exaggerated value in the addendum to counter the initial rating. However, if the additional information is relatively neutral, then the "Addendum" code could be used.
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by K0RFD on June 9, 2003
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I read the Eham reviews all the time. I like them. If I went solely by the numerical score of a particular item, then I guess I would be just as stupid as the people who try to weight the numerical scores with one biased response or another.
The fact is, I enjoy the Eham reviews. I read them all, start to finish. And I am actually smart enough to tell if somebody doesn't know their a** from a hole in the ground, or if they're trying to weight a number, or if they're honestly spilling their guts about something they feel strongly about.
I like being able to read what REAL people say about a product. I'm smart enough to tell what might be motivating them. But PLEASE let me have access to the raw data, the raw opinions, the raw emotions--they're important.
If anybody thinks the ARRL reviews are better, then let them read this, from a recent review in the August, 2002 issue of QST of a product made by a manufacturer who shall remain nameless:
"It turns out that our review unit had an apparently defective VRF circuit. We borrowed and checked out a second radio, which turned in a measurement of +102 dBm, comparing nicely with the +110 dBm of the Mark-V and the +86 dBm of the 'MP"
In other words, the ARRL says "the manufacturer couldn't even be bothered to send us a free radio that actually WORKED, so we had to borrow another one to make sure we wouldn't irritate them to the point where they might pull their advertising from our publication"
Eham reviews are the words of REAL PEOPLE, some of whom might certainly push their own agendas. Eham READERS are real people too; most of us are smart enough to recognize when we might not be getting the most objective review.
I hope that Eham keeps giving us REAL reviews by REAL people. And as an Eham reader, I'd like to thank Eham for understanding that we're all smart enough to tell when REAL PEOPLE are showing real bias.
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by W4KPA on June 9, 2003
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I wouldn't restrict the hair-trigger reviews. It's true that most of the very early reviews are from people who are gushing about their latest wonder-toy. But not always. Check out the reviews on the Alinco DR-620. Clearly there was something wrong with the model, and it showed up almost immediately out of the box. The early reviews probably altered a few purchase decisions. Normally, I take the early reviews with a grain of salt and wait until a model has been in use for three to six months. Then the reviews begin to be more realistic. But even after that length of time, you can't base your opinion on one review. The value of this is in getting access to a large number of user experiences. If you're considering a piece of gear, you need to read them all -- the gushers and the grouches.
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by RobertKoernerExAE7G on June 9, 2003
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ARRL buys, "off the shelf", the products they review.
What is unnerving, is how many times a product does not function according to published specs.
Bob
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by KU4QD on June 9, 2003
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I have written a LOT of reviews on eHam, mainly because I'm a curious person who's generally earned a good living and wanted to try out different (mainly HF QRP and VHF/UHF) toys. MOST of my reviews have been written after I've owned the gear for anywhere from three to six months and have used it extensively.
Some reviews were written sooner because with certain fairly simple equipment you actually know all you are going to need to know sooner. For example, I bought one of those closeout Radio Shack switching power supplies. It worked fine, and I didn't hear any RF hash, but that fan ran all the time and was LOUD. I sold the supply before three months. Was I wrong to review it? I don't think so. Based on what I've heard from other local hams, some of whom are quite satisfied with the supply, their impressions are the same as mine. The only thing that varies is how tolerant some people are of that fan.
Agenda? I suppose so, but people should at least try to be objective if they can. If someone writes a clearly biased review all they can do is damage their own credibility.
The author makes a good point. I wish people would wait long enough to know what they are writing about. I don't know that 3 months or any other arbitrary date makes sense.
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by N8FVJ on June 10, 2003
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It just depends upon the experience of the operator. A review by about any ham within a few hours of operating a HF transceiver is an 'eyebrow raiser'. Obviously, the receiver was not tested under most band conditions. I am amazed at times when comparing one receiver to another. It is just obvious sometimes when one states 'this is better than that'. For example, viewing the QST Performance Reviews shows a receiver with a poor dynamic range vs a stellar performer & the operator states the poor receiver way outperforms that stellar performer. The most outragous to date is the TS-450 receiver performance. QST shows a dynamic range about equal to an old Heathkit, yet some owners state 'best ever', etc. After listening to the receiver, it was just full of intermod products that distorts the SSB audio under crowded band conditions. Seat of the pants reviews (no test equipment) requires an experienced operator that has owned many products & has either a fine tuned ear with an excellent memory or makes use of an A/B comparison at the same time.
Another issue with eHam reviews is the rating system does not allow, for example, a 4.5 rating. Another rating indicator should be in a price range to compare 'apples to apples'. The more experienced operators detail comparisons using verbage such as 'in its middle price range' or states 'this item is a 4.6 but given a 5 rating'. The most useful eHam review is reliability. If it dies on the radio bench, that is a 'no brainer'.
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by KA3POY on June 10, 2003
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I enjoy almost all eham product reviews. Some for the constructive technical input, others for their contribution to my entertainment.
I don't have anything against knee-jerk reviews, some can be very useful, for example: "I turned the thing on and the fan noise is LOUD." Generally the fan noise doesn't get quieter six months later so this is a very helpful data point to a potential buyer.
One behavior I do find bizarre is the bend-over-backwards review, example " the Such-and-So 120ZX is the best transceiver around....Yes, it's true that you have to remove the RF deck and replace it with a whole new homebrew modulator yaddah yaddah but that's why appliance operators shouldn't own this radio, etc etc." Give me a break - if it is a fun curiosity to operate on boat anchor nets that's fine, but lay off the "this is better than they make rigs these days" stuff if it requires major surgery.
The other weird behavior is the target fixation, wherein one or several amateurs become obsessed with attacking a manufacturer, example Ten Tec. Read the eham Jupiter reviews if you want to see some serious compulsive behavior.
In any case, thanks to eham and thanks to all the amateurs who contribute to the review data bank.
73, Tim
N5IIT, was KA3POY
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by K3UIG on June 10, 2003
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I must agree that some reviews on products "jump the gun" a bit. I find I must sway myself from posting based on first impressions, but rather give it a couple months time until I have time to form a working relationship with it.
I recently posted a review (my second review ever). On the K8RA paddles. I had a story that gives insight not only into the product and its performance but also about the man who makes it. I felt some people may enjoy that kind of insight. After one month of use I was tempted to write a review then. I decided to draft it and when complete, I resolved to sit on it for another month and edit as need be. I waited another month. Things changed slightly in the review but all in all it was the same conclusion. I suplemented the review with personal photos and I remain confident that it was a fair, honest review.
My thought is that people should give the review some time before posting it, open up a word editor and type out your thoughts and add and subtract as necessary. It will end up making the review much more complete.
I also think that it is unfair to rate a product a 0 or 1 if the only reason for you rating this way is because you did not like it, or it wasn't your cup of tea. If the product does what is stated and it appears as if some people might like it give it a 3 and state that it just wasn't what you wanted.
Basically, take some time thinking about your review, draft it several times, and don't just post a review because you hate a certain manufacturer (i.e. Ten-Tec).
Lastly, if you think you're qualified to write a review because you: a) used your friend's once. b) saw one at a hamfest / hamshop or c) heard one on the air before -- get over yourself. No one is that qualified that by an isolated exposure of maybe 10 minutes they can preach about the product.
Thanks for reading and your time (Stepping off of the Soapbox now.)
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by AB7JK on June 10, 2003
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I enjoyed the article and believe it has some merit. Maybe you should have waited 3 months before posting it. You may feel differently then.
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by JA2WWE on June 10, 2003
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Not in the case of MFJ..............it all sucks right out of the box-
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by NF0G on June 10, 2003
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I learned my lesson on Hair-Trigger reviews a couple years back when I bought a TM-V7A from Kenwood. I had intermod problems right from the beginning and was extreemly dissapointed. I heard a guy on a repeater running the radio down as junk. I looked into buying a filter to try to fix it and was ready to return it. Then one day I sat down and read the manual. Remember always RTFM! I found out about the AIP function. I turned it on and since have had almost no intermod, even when I am downtown. Without spending some time with the radio it is very hard to make any meaningful assesment.
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by W3DCG on June 11, 2003
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I've often wondered what the acronym, if that's what it is, REALLY means.
M.F.J.
Hmmmmm. Curious.
;)
And to say it ALL sux...
Man,
I have a digital thermometer. It is a year and a half old, it remembers high temps, low temps, reads outdoor, and indoor ambient. Last year's highs and lows are still in it's memory.
Has a 24 hour clock on it, BONUS- and is about the size of the average T.I. calculator, and yet the numbers are 2 cm tall!
You can mount it on the wall, you can set it on a table, because it has a fold out bracket. Has a big light button on it in case you need it but I never do. Haven't had to change the battery, and when the power goes out it's one of only 3 clocks in the house that still keeps time.
Find all that for $13.95 US, ANYWHERE. And the MFJ emblem is small. You know, everyone who buys MFJ might be wise enough to figure a couple things:
1) Don't be expecting commercial-grade quality and precision. Nothing's free in the world, trade-offs abound, if you want Mil-Spec integrity, then buy commercial, high-end, or get a good deal from a dumped load, or get the finest components and roll your own.
2) Choose wisely. Don't expect the moon unless you can, and are willing to commit to NASA magnitudinal expenditure.
A few MFJ products actually are inexpensive enough, serve their intended purpose well enough, and actually have achieved multiple 5/5 ratings.
Personally, for example, if it came down to NO AMP or a new MFJ/Ameritron I might barely be able to afford- I sure am not going to be expecting quality and conveniences only to be found in amps 2 or 3 times the cost of the one I'd actually be getting! So comparitively- if it performs at a 3 to 4 level, for the price paid, in my mind that would be a 4 to 4.5 if it still works in a year, I might round up, but realistically, I doubt I could wait that long.
I think many REAL WORLD, unedited, unsensored reviews here on eHam are posted with similar thought processes. One person's 3 is another person's 5- as in-starting with realistically low expectations and being pleasantly surprised is worth 2 points right there. Everyone wants a great deal.
Then there are the types that should have been and/or are, or did, work in a lab, Senior Engineer types, who are professionally accredited, and- would never think of posting meaningless drivel such as this! Their set of criteria might have nothing to do with cost, evaluating on design, tolerance, and pure objectivity.
But I doubt it, even they are human too. Were it not about fun, none of us would be here.
What WOULD suck, is that I couldn't come to one place on the Net and find reviews on say, an Arogonaut V, because it finally rolled off the production tables a month ago, so I'll have to wait at least 6 months- and chances are, those reviews will be from DIE HARD types who are strangely loyal, the extent of which often borders the fringes of psychosis. So of course those are all going to be freely given mini ToT endorsements. Fine- sometimes a viewer is searching for a reason to justify what they want to do anyway, just a little nudge. And here on eHam you can have it!
...yawn...
Therefore:
Thank you eHam for providing this entertaining, and overall- valuable resource. It is true, that the Reviews alone, more than account for the cost of a modest subscription.
These Articles and Comments/Opinions are like icing on a favoured cake. 100%. 5 of 5. 599+40.
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by WA2JJH on June 11, 2003
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In one word...YES! I use a service monitor on most things I review. I also do an updated review if I felt the first review was to positive or negative.
Sure it is humsn nature. You get a radio N.I.B. use it. Get a few QSO's. Then some give a very vague review.
Maybe someone should own the radio for 6 or more months before making a good or bad review.
I do follow ups.
I was very enthusiastic with a very inexpensive base HF antenna. It was on the roof for a few months.
Liked it, did not have a problem with it.
People asked me where they got it. I will not refere a commercial venture.
I saw mixed reviews on the same antenna. The quality control varies drasticly on this antenna.
I gave a new review today, after 3 years of use.
The new review was much more criticsl thsn the old, of course!
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by KE4RWS on June 12, 2003
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I usually write a preliminary review of a product after using it for about two weeks. It consists mainly of my initial impression and my hands-on experiences with the new product. I will then write a follow-up review after several months. By then I've had enough time and real experience to determine what bugs and/or annoyances that particular model may or may not have. I have found this to be a reasonably good way to convey my first impressions of a product, followed up with a more detailed review of that product. I have received many positive emails from folks thanking me for taking the time to review such products, and going in to such detail and covering nearly everything most people want to know about. I think everyone has their own way of writing reviews, and their own way of conveying the information in the review. Some convey the information in a manner that is easily understood, and that makes sense. Others however, try as they might, don't come across they way they'd like to.
Those who have read my reviews hopefully appreciate them for what they are . . . hopefully you see it as someone who's gone through a product and has attempted to use every feature (or nearly every feature) just to see how well it works or doesn't work. I make every attempt to be as unbiased in my reviews as possible. However, when I really like a particular model I'm sure it shows.
Hopefully those who read my reviews have gained something from them. I enjoy writing detailed reviews, and further enjoy the follow-up email I receive from folks who want to know more about something I pointed out in the review. It's also a good feeling to know you've influenced someone's purchase because of a thorough review.
This is how I've always tried to conduct the reviews I write here on eHam, and I hope I've had an influence on those who read them.
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by KB5TBB on June 12, 2003
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One of the problems I see is the average rating number. Rather than have the overall rating be shown, perhaps it would be better to say "rated 4 from owners of 3-6mos, 5 from owners of 1yr," etc. I don't have a problem with the hair-trigger reviews because I realize less than 3 months is too short for a thorough assessment of a rig's performance.
I have reviewed one radio two weeks after owning it and had to go back six months later to retract some initial statements. In some ways I'm not proud of that but it goes to show how first impressions can be quickly shot down after you put a radio "to the test."
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by KC8WCW on June 12, 2003
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I totally agree with the premise of what you're saying. In fact, I think that a lot of reviews are posted before the item even comes out of the box! The problem with that philosophy however, is the fact that many items haven't been on the market long enough for a long term review. With the tremendous competition in the electronics field, new models come out virtually every year. You're no doubt aware of the people who absolutely must have the newest and latest technology, regardless of it's track record. Many Hams don't wait around long enough for a product to establish itself before taking the plunge.
The other issue is that Hams obviously all talk to one another. If a product that's been on the market for a while has a good track record, most Hams are generally aware of it anyway.
Robert/KC8WCW
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Perhaps!
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by K4III on June 14, 2003
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Perhaps, but I know I'd feel more comfortable selecting a radio with a decent review from hundreds of "commenters" than one decent review by one or two hams. (And yes, some may be better than others, as different productions of a model have different quirks)
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by KG6AMW on June 14, 2003
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Ameritron Amps perform well at a fraction of the cost of their competitors. Oh, the other amps are clearly nicer and more rugged, but both will get you there. I read a review where one guy started out with AL811 and then graduated up to the Alpha 99. Then he starts to denigrate the AL811 because it wasn't as good as the Alpha. This was a complete puzzler. What he said was true, but at four and half times cost of the AL811 it better walk the dog. I also read about complaints about MFJ antenna tuners not hitting the mark. If you have an antenna that's not resonant and you want to run 500 watts or more, make the investment into an antenna tuner that can stand up. That means invest another $300 and buy the Ameritron ATR30, Tentec 238B or the Palstar.
KG6AMW
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by NJ6F on June 14, 2003
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I like to see all comments on a product before purchase.
A nice solid features / benefits analysis is great such as comparing the FT100D to the 706.
I will gauge the reviewers expertise in the way he presents himself.
An overall impression by anyone is valued.
There are some reviewers that might be a bit stoggy/ old where it is obvious that EVERY FUNCTION of a rig needs to be on the faceplate with a big knob or they just don't get it. I wonder how many new menu driven rigs were passed on by senior hams because they were not comfortable with menu's which by the way I like.
I remember getting a new second hand TS430 from a friend when they first came out, who said the original owner thought it was too complicated....
Personally when I see a negative rating I look first at the call sign....if it is a K# or W#, I personally move on and and disregard the write up, the second indicator is when the review has bad english or is poorly typed, usually the same types again. My personal thoughts only. In the same regard if a boat anchor type reviews a board anchor, now I value that :-) Thanks for understanding.
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by K0PD on June 14, 2003
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I too read many of the review's and have wrote a couple myself,Being of not to technically wise i try to write my experience with the item but also state that i'm not giving a technical review.As for the people who write the so called shotgun review's i find their view as welcome as the so called tech review's where ownership has time behind it.I personaly believe that with both view's you get a more accurate picture of the equipment.After all we need info at all level's.
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by WB4QNG on June 14, 2003
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I like all the reviews. The ones out the box as well as the ones that have had them for awhile. I am a little trigger happy too. I have also gone back and rewrote them after I have owned the rig awhile. They seldom change. As for as the guy who has had his ticket for an hour and his rig for two. That tells me something too. It must be easy to operate are he would not have gotten on the air that fast. I do know I lkie these reviews a lot better than the ones in the magazines. I feel they are more honest. I never see bad reviews there. Terry WB4QNG
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by N3HKN on June 14, 2003
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Just saw one of the nuttier "reviews" Some poor soul reported a contact and highlighted the reception report of "great audio".
The problem was that the review was for a GAP Titan. Ownership 0-3 months!
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by K6ZZZ on June 15, 2003
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Wow!!! You guys should seriously RELAX...what is this...a "review of the reviews"? Like someone else stated, take these reviews with a "grain of salt"...and maybe ask some questions...then make up your minds accordingly.
Leave the review sections alone...
John / K6ZZZ
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by KA3WXV on June 16, 2003
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I found one comment interesting "...Also, some of the reviewers need to change their expectations. I don't know how many reviews I've seen of the latest and greatest VHF/UHF mobile rig with the only complaint being susceptibilty to intermod. HELLOOOO!!! Your new scanner, oops I mean radio, recieves from DC to daylight and you expect it to perform like a ham bands only reciever?..."
Many of us in metropolitian areas require dual banders (not necessarily the wide band receive) that are not easily susceptible to intermods. And YES it IS possible to build a good dual bander with GOOD intermod resistance. They ARE made.( fill in your favorite mfg/model here). Writing a review about some of the dual bander with very poor intermod performance is a good way to tell the manufacture that we care.
Yes I've written letters, sent Email, talked to factory reps at Dayton besides
The point is not "intermods". The point is reviews are another good way for manufactures to gleam some idea of what HAMs like and don't like. Yes, they, like us can't take the review at face value. They have to interpret the review (raw data) just like us.
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by N4ST on June 16, 2003
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I think the review process works just fine. Sometimes first impressions are important (if not detailed). If you have been waiting for a new piece of gear to be released to the market, a 1-day or 1-week review may be all that is available, yet still provide useful information. The best filter you have is the one between your ears. Read *all* the reviews and weigh them accordingly.
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by K5MDM on June 16, 2003
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The BEST radio out there is the one I just got! I dont know much about it yet but it lites up purty! Cost me gillion bux!! Must be the best cause I read it on Eham.
OH, you hate yours? Guess Id better sell mine, never mind.
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by KO4NR on June 18, 2003
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One thing I didn't see mentioned enough is that many people writing the reviews(especially the negative ones) don't have the experience and knowledge to offer up objective comments. Don't blast a product for being junk unless you know what you are talking about. I bumped into a guy awhile back that hated his tuner. Said it wouldn't tune any antenna, anywhere!! I pulled the cover off of it and found the coax had broken off out the PL-259. Yes it was new and it shouldn't have been a problem but it was a simple fix. Nice tuner overall and now he loves it!!
I've also found people blasting an amplifier for being junk and found that they had no real idea how to tune it. Saw a really nice Heathkit SB-220 damaged because of an idiot who didn't know grid current from plate current.
Saw a IC-706 go back to the shop three times and then the idiot found that he had a bad connectinon in some of his coax. I don't know if he apologized to ICOM or not but he should have. He sure gave them an ear full until he found out it was his poor soldering that had caused the "radio" problem.
I admit would I make a poor service manager. I have no tolerance idiots.
73,
Bill
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by KF9VH on June 18, 2003
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Can a person make a valid review after owning a piece of gear in the first 48 hours? I think not. There should be a minimum time of ownership before one posts a review.
“Just bought this radio at the ham fest yesterday and wow it is the best hf radio I have ever owned. By the way this is my second radio, my first was cobra 2000.”
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by KO4NR on June 18, 2003
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My last sentence should of said "I have no tolerance for idiots!!"
73,
Bill
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by N8AUC on June 20, 2003
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MFJ isn't an acronym. It is the initials of the company's founder, Martin F. Jue. MFJ - get it?
Anyways, I've had some MFJ stuff over the years and some of it was good stuff, and some of it was not so good. Kind of like just about any manufacturer of stuff. Sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they don't. It's great when you get one where they got it right, and not so great when you get one where they didn't.
Quality Assurance is what you do to try and catch the clunkers before they make it out the door, and then find out why they were clunkers, and correct the underlying problem. Some companies are better at QA than others, but EVERY company makes junk at one time or another. The companies with the better reputations are the ones that catch the junk before it gets out the door.
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by KC9ANI on June 20, 2003
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I recently was guilty of submitting a premature review. At first I thought my MFJ (986) tuner worked well but then it developed problems aplenty. To make sure it wasnt operator error, I had it checked by the shop where I bought (brand new - a few days old) and they concurred with the problem. I would love for any of the "experts" to move in next door to me. I would be a sponge for learning (not kidding). Couple places for sale close, in country, no antenna restrictions. I do learn a lot from these forums. I will wait awhile before posting a review on my Ameritron tuner. In fairness to MFJ also, I have plenty of stuff that works fine. I probably would have replaced the 986 with another MFJ but they didnt have anymore in stock.
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by RADIOWIENER on June 30, 2003
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I have had a KDK 2030 for 20 years. It is a mobile rig that has been used for over 400K km. It is a wonderful radio!
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by KX8N on February 4, 2006
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What thoroughly annoys me (in reviews and in other areas) are the people who say "I've owned 7 radios made by (company X), and every one of them has been a piece of junk." I mean, I have no tolerance for someone who does not have enough intelligence to STOP buying radios from a manufacturer after buying two duds.
When judging the quality of the review, you have to keep in mind the quality of the reviewer.
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by KC8HXO on March 8, 2006
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I just have to get this one off my chest. ..... I just love it when people berate an item for not doing something it wasn't designed to do in the 1st place!! (Example -- one fellow rated an amplifier a 4 instead of a 5 because it doesn't have QSK...... It was never designed, nor advertised as having QSK!!) C'mon folks, let's judge an item on it's advertised merits, not what we "wish" it had!
Thanks for letting me vent. I feel better now.
Back to my crayons.......
73, KC8HXO
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