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APRS Network Saturation on Field Day

from Phillip Tompkins on July 31, 2003
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APRS traffic in Baltimore overloaded during Field Day

If you were like many in Baltimore Maryland you may have found it almost impossible to send a packet from one node to another even when that node was across the street on Field Day. While looking at what types of traffic where going over the network on Sunday morning I noticed one item that continued to come up; People were trying to use the WIDE command causing packet collations and network saturations. There simply is no reason to have a WIDE7-7 packet when trying to score points on Field Day. In addition it was apparent that people simply increased their power output in an attempt to get their packet on the network.

In highly populated areas if people could try to follow a few common sense rules the APRS network will be more reliable and less overloaded as it was in Baltimore on Field Day 2003.

Unless you have a very specific reason to broadcast your position more than once every 3 - 5 minutes don't. Most vehicles in highly populated areas are not likely to travel more than 4 miles in 5 minutes. Unless someone is specifically tracking you or you are apart of an activity that is using APRS to keep track of where everyone is, you shouldn't broadcast your information more than needed. Many trackers offer the ability to manually broadcast your position, consider using this especially when stuck in traffic.

Next, if you host a stationary beacon or igate, there really is no need for you to broadcast that fact more than once every 45 - 60 minutes. People use beacons for different reasons, some to broadcast weather information and others use it to help figure about what kind of DX they can expect. I personally enjoy reading weather reports while driving down the road, but in most cases it is not necessary for a weather stations to send out the same report every 15 minutes, instead see if you can limit that broadcast to major changes in the environment such as a 2 - 5 degree temperature change or strong wind change that could affect boaters, aircraft, or other people that rely on weather readings.

Broadcasting at a higher power than required is also another problem. In Baltimore Maryland there are several Digipeaters located in very good locations, such as the N3KTX nodes, which have better coverage than you will ever get from your mag mount at 50 watts. By increasing your power you are simply increasing the possibility that your packet will negate someone else's packet and can cause unnecessary network saturation. Personally I have tested my Kenwood D700 at 50, 25, and 5 watts and I have noticed almost identical responses of positions on www.findu.com.

Another question that many people have is "What should my packet path be?" This is going to be very different from region to region, but while in a highly populated area where there are a lot of ham operators with igates or digipeters that have excellent coverage it is my recommendation that you do not use anything beyond RELAY, WIDE or WIDE2-2, and at most RELAY, WIDE2-2. If your goal is to have your location published on the internet on a page such as www.findu.com than those settings should be able to do it for you. If you are in a more remote location you may want to consider WIDE3-3, but try to be aware of what types of fixed digipeaters are available.

Lastly, being a mobile Digipeter in a highly populated area should be closely considered. If you commute from a remote area to a highly populated area it may be worth having the digipete option turn on, but if you remain within a highly populated area where there is good igate coverage or even digipeters that are already covering the area of your commute, then there may be no point. Some radios, such as the Kenwood D700, have multiple program modes that can allow you to change to different settings as you drive. It is relatively easy to setup two program modes on a D700 which would allow you to easily switch on the digipeter option with the press of a memory mode button. Then when you are downtown, turn the option off, but when you are driving in the country help out your fellow ham by turning it back on.

There really are a lot of things to think about and this article was written from what I experienced on Field Day, which was virtually no way to communicate a simple message from one point to another due to packet network saturation in Baltimore Maryland on 144.39. APRS, as is the rest of Amateur Radio, a community effort and a lot of fun. Set your radio the way you want, but be respectful to the limited amount of data that can actually flow over the airwaves.

Phillip Tompkins

KD7QOT

kd7qot@linuxonly.net

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APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by KZ1X on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
APRS is too complicated for the average ham, too many digipeaters are installed on tall towers chewing up valuable time at 1200 baud, and too many hidden-transmitter syndrome situations exist due to lack of understanding.

I used to use this mode, but found it to be too unreliable and not much fun. Spent $50 on WinAPRS only to have support dumped, and can't make any maps work with UI-View or the other "replacements."

Catch me on 20 CW, QRP. That ALWAYS works.
 
APRS Network Saturation  
by KE4PJW on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I think there are two problems that cause huge problems on APRS.

1) Badly configured Digipeaters

Just because you have a well placed digi, that does not mean that you should have it aliased as a wide. You should have most of your digis configured as a relays. The closest any two WIDE stations should be is 30-50 Miles. Anything in between should be a relay station. WIDE stations should have THE BEST elevation in the area.

2) Badly configured trackers.

Nobody 200 Miles away cares about your packet. APRS is for local tatical information. Anything larger than RELAY,WIDE2-2 is TOO WIDE. That path should get you at least 100 miles out. If it does not, see my first paragraph.
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation  
by KB5TBB on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
APRS is great in many ways but I think as a network protocol it's very flawed. It depends too much on people knowing how to set their parameters correctly. I'd encourage anyone with a TNC to try APRS, but please read and understand the documentation first or seek advice from someone using the mode for more than a couple of years.

I've even seen someone set their home "MYALIAS" to "WIDE" so that they can walk around their yard and be able to pick up everything on their TH-D7A HT. Their station is in a hole, effectively knocking out many people's transmissions from making it further on the network.

One of my pet peeves is the position report rates. We have folks who drive around sending their position once every 1/2 second to a minute, every single day. As the author of the initial post stated, most of the time a 3-5 minute rate on moving vehicles is fine. If you're working an event or have a special tracking need, then adjusting the time down would be acceptable. Smart beaconing is definitely the way to go, but only certain devices (i.e. Tiny Track) support it, allowing your rate to adjust with your speed.
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation  
by N8CPA on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
You weren't very specific in your post about how you were using the APRS position during Field Day.

Read the Field Day rules. QSOs through digipeaters and gateways may not be counted for point credit(rule 6.8). The term repeater includes Digital repeaters. Also since APRS is so heavily dependent upon non-amateur radio means for connectivity, the General Contest rules disallow them. Field Day and contests in general are about point to point communciations, without relays. However, an APRS position at a Field Day site may claim 100 Non-traditional demonstration points.

Sorry to be a bearer of bad news. Good luck next year.

73 de Steve
 
APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by W4TQI on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I for one have experienced a good deal of frustration with figuring out how to set up an APRS tracking station. The internet has lots of information from many different viewpoints, but many of them contradict each other. Aside from simple "here's how you should set your path" type of information, I have found very few sites that actually explain the meaning, options, and significance of the "magic words".

Rather than actually explaining anything, the vast majority of the people I've asked refer me to the book "APRS Tracks, Maps and Mobiles" by WA1LOU, but although I have been able to find several sources that list it for sale, it has apparently been out of print (or at least out of stock) for quite some time. (and of course, nobody has a copy they can loan me; they've either misplaced it, or they borrowed the copy they used)

Because I am reluctant to simply use something without first understanding what I am doing, my APRS tracking unit has only ever been on the air a few times at low power for brief test-runs. Sure I could just plug in somebody else's settings and throw a signal out there, but without any real understanding of what they do and how they affect the network, it's not only a bad idea, but I feel that it flies in the face of what ham radio is all about.

So until I can actually locate some decent information on APRS, don't go looking for my call on the maps any time soon...

W4TQI
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by N8CPA on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I rewarded my Extra prvileges 10 years ago, by buying a TNC, of all things. Shortly after the TNC, I got involved in APRS.

I lost interest when it became as dependent upon tcp/ip as it was upon amateur protocols. I think I still have some software. But I'm just not interested in the application.

I might change my mind some day. But for the time being, I won't be on any maps for the foreseeable future.

Steve
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by G3SEA on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

In terms of the old reliable KISS principle KZ1X has a
point in his last sentence :)
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by KE4PJW on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Quick 'n Dirty conservative config settings.

Mobile Stations)
If you want to set your unproto path to something that is not obnoxious, there is nothing wrong with "relay,wide".
Beacon no more than once every 1.5 minutes.

Fixed Stations)
Set the alias to "relay" if you want to help out any mobile stations that you can hear. If you can hear a wide digi directly, set your unproto path to "wide" otherwise try "relay,wide".

There is another setting for the newer TNC software that will digi packets with WIDEn-n in their path. I don't remember how to diable it off the top of my head, but look in your manual and turn it off. (If anyone knows how to diable it, please post it.)

You should be able to find information about traditional ax.25 networks and it should explain what aliases and unproto paths are for.
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by KE4PJW on July 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Quote
>I lost interest when it became as dependent upon tcp/ip
>as it was upon amateur protocols. I think I still have
>some software. But I'm just not interested in the
>application.

APRS does not depend on the Internet in any way. Where did you get that idea?
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by KE4RWS on August 1, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
He may be thinking about an IGate situation.

An IGate relays APRS traffic to the internet via TCP/IP so he may be under the impression it's required for APRS to work. Instead, it adds the ability to see APRS traffic on the internet, but isn't required for true RF-based APRS operation.
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by N0FPE on August 1, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Just an opinion here. I have only been running APRS for a few months now but why does everyone think APRS is a replacement for the regular packet networks? APRS was NEVER ment to carry high volumes of text messages. The regular packet systems even at 1200 baud can move tons more information. Is it to much to ask that APRS be used as it was intended and lets rebuild the standard packet networks to carry the high volume traffic?

Just a thought

Dan/NØFPE
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by N3IJW on August 1, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I'm new to APRS, and I'm not real familiar with the existing packet infrastructure, but my question is why are they even separate networks in the first place? Since APRS seems to be pretty fleshed out now, how about a "merger" of sorts? APRS data seems like a logical addition to the regular flow of information over the packet networks.
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation on Field Day  
by KA0MR on August 1, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Since the Internet has now evolved into a houshold anemity and affordable to just about everyone Packet as it was first developed has gone to the wayside. Using conventional Packet to send Binary files is now a waste of time. So what else can be done with conventional packet. Let it die.

APRS is what Packet has evolved to. Well suited for messging and sure is handy to send an e-mail from a motel room when attending say the Central States VHF Convention or a ham-fest or whatever to your wife asking her to give you a call teh the motel room. Sure I could have gave some money to the hotel for a long distance call but it was more fun from my car to show several youngsters who were staying at the motel how you can use the Internet and demonstrate ham radio at the same time. These kids thought this was the neatest thing they had seen. And the parents were astounded as well.

Bob KAØMR
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation  
by KA0AZS on August 1, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Just a couple of comments:

N8CPA:

"...since APRS is so heavily dependent upon non-amateur radio means for connectivity..."

If you mean the I-Gate features, APRS is NOT dependent on the internet, Find-U and others are value added, but not required. APRS works fine as an RF only mode.

"...point to point communciations, without relays..."

At our site, I limited point to point messaging to FD sites that I could hear direct without going through a DIGI. Also, monitoring what stations I could hear direct gave some nice queing information on possible VHF band openings. I didn't provide them for an official count. There's too much to do on Field Day to worry about contest trivia ;-)

Since almost every APRS station can act as a DIGI, and Field Day is (in my opinion) primarily an emergency comms exercise, and in any emergency the APRS network will be somewhat self healing as stations relay to each other, I could make an argument that ARRL FD rules regarding APRS are outdated and reflect an lack of understanding of APRS, but that's for another flame war...

KZ1X

"...too many digipeaters are installed on tall towers chewing up valuable time at 1200 baud..."

Valuable time from WHAT? APRS uses only one frequency (primarily 144.39 in the USA), and does not keep anyone from running packet (or any other activity) on the 9 billion other frequencies available from DC to Daylight.

I'm glad you have fun on QRP CW. I personally have not interest in either, and have fun working with APRS.

As far as being too complicated for the average Ham, I submit you just did not find it interesting enough to pursue. So be it. But please don't discourage others from trying it. If _I_ can figure it out....

I agree, much education to be done on APRS paths. I try to Elmer APRS newbies in our area and encourge others to do the same. APRS path and network settings (speaking for RF, don't play with the I-Gates at this time) is an evolving subject, and what works in one area can change day to day.

The bottom line is to remember that the origianl purpose of APRS is real time, local, tactical communications on RF, not to replace traditional connected packet or to provide feeds to internet sites.

73 to all

Randy KAØAZS
 
It's time for Crossbanding APRS anyway  
by K1LU on August 2, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
It's time to allocate some crossband pairs for APRS and to make APRS WIDE nodes coordinated.

By going crossband:

Digipeaters would be able to transmit and recieve at the same time, increasing their throughput.

Since the input would be on 70CM, a user running a dual band radio would be able to listen on 2M while broadcasting position info on 70CM. I believe this would work with the D700 and other Kenwood Radios.

Collisions on the output of the digi would be reduced or eliminated, getting information out to the network faster.

When I tried to establish something like this to experiment I was told that 70CM APRS was "not in the band plan".

Perhaps it shold be.

Len
K1LU
 
APRS Network Saturation  
by KB2JAQ on August 3, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I think, at least in the north jersey area the main problem is stations transmitting too often that dont move...
I think too many people set up the house and a tracker and live in their own world.
How do you get in touch with the people that beacon there house postion every 15 minutes???
What about 70cm? maybe even 9600?
Im planning on setting up a 9600 tracker.. Any ideas for a freq?
Pete
 
RE: APRS Network Saturation  
by KD7QOT on August 3, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I was not trying to use APRS for field day, I was attempting to relay a short message to someone via a digipeter that I use here in the baltimore area. If you listened to 144.39 that day it was nonstop modem sound. Usually there is 10 - 45 seconds of silence after every 4 - 5 packets here in the Baltimore area on average days, but not that day.

So why was I trying to use APRS? Because I had no clue what frequency he was on, but I did know that he normally has APRS turned on. Normally it works out really well. then we can switch over to voice.
 
RE: It's time for Crossbanding APRS anyway  
by WA7NWP on August 4, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

"When I tried to establish something like this to experiment I was told that 70CM APRS was "not in the band plan"."

APRS is a low bandwidth mode that can easily co-exist with other packet systems. Use any (or all) channel allocated for packet.

Part of the magic of APRS is the ease of connecting a subnetwork on a different frequency to the main APRS Information System. All that's required is one station running one of the various IGate packages hooked in to the APRS-IS.

73,
Bill
 
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