Need Help Choosing a New or Used Radio?
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How to Choose a New (or New-To-You) Ham Radio
By John Clifford KD7KGX
So you’re thinking about buying a new (or used, new-to-you) ham radio but you’re not sure which one to get? Let me tell you how I have made that decision and see if it doesn’t help you.
What do you want a new radio for?
Maybe you just received your Tech license and want to get on the air. Perhaps you recently upgraded your license and have HF privileges. Perhaps you started out with an older rig that works okay (like I did… my first HF radio was a Heath HW-9) but want something a little more sophisticated. Perhaps you’re into the HF digital modes and find that your current rig is either not stable enough or perhaps lacks some features that will help you to communicate. Or perhaps you just want the latest and greatest rig that will find ‘em, work ‘em, and log ‘em (don’t laugh… some of the newer rigs come pretty close!).
For purposes of this article, I’m going to assume the role of a newly minted General-class ham who wants to get on the HF bands and make contacts using all of the popular modes (SSB, CW, and HF digital modes like PSK31). While I can’t afford the new top-of-the-line rigs, I sure want performance… frequency stability, crystal filtering, computer controllability, and good sensitivity and selectivity.
New or Used?
Here’s where the choices get interesting. Today’s new mid-level rigs such as the Icom 746 Pro, the Yaesu FT-920, and the Ten-Tec Jupiter are as good as or better performance-wise as many top-of-the-line rigs built back in the mid-1990s. Better yet, they have more QRM-fighting features and are generally easier to use than many of these rigs. So, if you want to buy a brand-new radio and don’t want to spend more than $1500, then there are a lot of choices and it’s really hard to choose badly.
However, there are some recently-discontinued used rigs out there that, while not at the top of the heap anymore, were the performance leaders just a few years ago. I’m talking about rigs like the Icom 756 Pro, the Yaesu FT-1000 MP, the Kenwood TS870, the Drake TR-7, and the Ten-Tec Omni VI and VI+. Let’s refer to these rigs as "yesterday’s best." These rigs are so good that it’s doubtful that a QSO couldn’t be made on one of these if it could be made on one of today’s top-end radios. If you don’t mind buying used, then you can often get one of these babies for about half of what they sold for new.
Unless you’re feeling nostalgic or you’re into the electronics repair hobby, try to stay away from any older rigs that require tubes. Rigs made before the mid- to late ‘80s can be good operators, but they generally either need work or will need work. If you’re the kind of guy who likes changing oil (rather than doing it to save money) then perhaps you might want an HW-101, Ten-Tec Corsair, or Kenwood TS-520. The nostalgic bit goes double for rigs like the old Collins radios… fine in their day but their cost is way out of proportion to their performance.
One big advantage of buying used is that if you buy your radio at a fair price, you can probably sell it in a year or two at the same price. Many hams let the other guy take the depreciation on a new rig, buy it used, and then sell it if they decide they want something else. This is a good way to spend some time with several different radios and find out what features are really important to you.
Features? What features?
Too many hams seem to make decisions on rigs by seeing how many buttons they can buy for the price. Too many manufacturers forget that, while adding features gets your rig a longer ‘checklist’, what’s important are the benefits not just the features. Keep that in mind as you read the following.
I wouldn’t buy a rig that didn’t have electronic digital tuning. Analog tuning went out with the slide rule, for the same reason that the slide rule was replaced by the calculator (simpler, faster, and more accurate).
Nearly all rigs in our two categories (new mid-level, "yesterday’s leaders") have dual VFOs, and allow for operating ‘split’ (transmit using one VFO freq, receive using the other VFO’s freq). This is a very important feature for operating DX and contesting, and I wouldn’t get a rig that couldn’t be operated this way. You can approximate split mode via RIT and XIT (receive- and transmit-incremental tuning, respectively) but you will be limited in the amount of frequency offset you can run. For example, many European SSB ops will transmit below 7100 kHz in the 40 meter band while listening above 7150 kHz to work within our band requirements, and without split capabilities (or a separate receiver) you will not be able to work them.
I mentioned selectivity earlier as an important feature. Selectivity is the ability to dig out signals in a crowded band. Selectivity and sensitivity combine to allow you to dig out a weak signal (DX) in a crowded band full of powerful local signals. Mechanical and crystal filtering, along with passband tuning and DSP, are all features that help to improve selectivity.
One feature that I think is very important is having crystal filtering that can be used in any mode (not just in CW). Sure, no one’s going to run voice with a 500 Hz filter… but it sure is useful to fight QRM while running PSK31 in USB. But, not many rigs will allow you to use CW filters if you’re not in CW mode. The Ten-Tec line is one exception to this.
Passband tuning is another way of eliminating QRM by moving the center of the roofing filter in the passband. You can visualize this as being similar to cutting out a rectangular hole in a piece of paper the size of your computer monitor, placing the hole up against your monitor, and then moving the piece of paper left and right against your monitor to screen off one side or the other from view… that’s how passband tuning basically works in your radio. It can be especially effective in SSB.
Noise blankers allow you to eliminate regularly occurring QRN such as car ignition noise, although at the expense of some sensitivity. If you plan to operate mobile, or live in an area with a lot of interference it may be a necessity. Nose blanker circuits do not work well on random noise such as lightning-induced static that is often heard on the low bands… but DSP does.
A notch filter is another QRM-fighting tool that allows you to eliminate noise at one specific frequency. This works great if someone decides to tune up or transmit a narrow-band signal close to your frequency during a CW or HF digital QSO. Most notch filters work in the audio frequency-handling part of the rig, so while you may eliminate the noise it may still affect the receivability of your desired signal due to AGC pumping (that’s why crystal filtering and passband tuning are desired features).
DSP noise reduction is a fairly new feature (introduced in the last decade) that can really make a difference. It’s amazing to hear a blurry indistinct CW signal suddenly pop out of the background noise when you push the DSP button. I would find it hard to go back to a rig without DSP once having had it, although in my opinion this isn’t nearly as important for the HF digital mode or SSB operator. Note that newer rigs have more advanced DSP that will make a noticeable difference on SSB.
Where to go to find out more
My first recommendation for anyone who is not knowledgeable about radios is to do some research. If you’re thinking about new rigs while reading this article, then you’ve undoubtedly found that eHam is one great source of information on radios. Use the Product Reviews, along with several grains of salt, to evaluate some of the radios you’ve heard about or have some interest in. You can also check out the vendors who run ads on eBay to get a good idea on what a competitive price is for the rigs that interest you. While doing so, be sure to click through to the manufacturers’ websites to see what they have to say about their products.
Used radio purchasers can also find a lot of great info in the Product Reviews section. But it’s hard to find manufacturer’s ads and websites that tell much about discontinued rigs. I’ve found that the ARRL website, www.arrl.org, has a great amount of information available to members in their Product Reviews section. This one feature is well worth the price of membership to ARRL (and you get their great magazine for a whole year, too!). Looking through the list of HF transceivers here on eHam, and then reading the original ARRL product review provides a wealth of information.
For pricing information, eBay is a wonder resource. You can often find radios on there for less than anywhere else… but caveat emptor. eHam’s classifieds are also worth searching through.
Chances are, if a radio was well-reviewed by ARRL and has a lot of support via good reviews here on eHam, then if it has the features you like you will be happy.
So… what radio(s) do I have…
Well… I still have the HW-9, although I haven’t used it in a couple of years. Most of my HF operating is either HF digital or HF CW, so that has influenced my buying. This is one radio that I will probably sell in the future to buy something more usable (to me).
My new HF rig is an Elecraft K2 that I built from a kit. I have just about every option for this radio (again, built by me). My primary reason for buying this radio is that I wanted top-notch performance and I wanted to build my radio. I am also a fan of QRP operating, and I learned early on that low power operating is easiest when using a great rig. When I want to operate QRP or when I want to take a radio with me on the road, the K2 gets the nod.
My primary rig in the shack, however, is a used Ten-Tec Omni VI/Option 1 that I purchased from the second owner after he decided he wanted to try a new Ten-Tec Jupiter (he now has a new Ten-Tec Orion). (This rig is basically an Omni VI+ without the second 9 MHz filter position… read more about it in the eHam Product Reviews section.) In raw performance, the K2 and the Omni VI are roughly equivalent, but the Omni VI has several of the features listed above that make it easier to use on crowded bands. It also has DSP, which was unavailable until recently on the K2.
Both rigs have been used successfully for DX in all modes, CW, SSB, and HF digital. Both rigs have the advantage (to me) of coming with complete schematics… and I will add that the knowledge and confidence I obtained from building the K2 has allowed me to successfully diagnose and repair the Omni VI without having to send it back to the factory. Both rigs would suffice as the sole rig for a station… and I would venture to say that if it’s technically possible to make a contact (open band, etc.), then I won’t be prevented from doing so by my choice of rig. And, having operating limitations being a function of something other than my rig is what I want as a ham.
…, and what would I look at?
I’m a big fan of Ten-Tec and so you’ll find them in my recommendations. However, I think that all of the major players in the ham radio market build a decent radio.
For used rigs, I would strongly consider buying Omni VI/Option 1, as I think it is perhaps the best bargain in a used rig. It works great for any HF mode but especially shines for CW and HF digital mode use (and it can even be improved by an owner who’s willing to tinker). I also think that a used Icom 756 Pro is a good buy, especially for the SSB or HF digital operator. Going a little lower in price and performance, a used Icom 746 Pro, Kenwood TD-570SG, Yaesu FT-920, or Ten-Tec Jupiter (my choice, because you can update the firmware via the Internet and have the same radio that is shipping today) is worth looking at.
At the next level you have rigs like the Yaesu FT-847 (jack of all trades but master of none, an okay rig for HF operating but allows for VHF/UHF satellite operating), the Kenwood TS-570DG (same as the –S model but without 6m), the Ten-Tec Paragon and Paragon II (good rigs but can be troublesome), and the Ten-Tec Pegasus (requires a computer to control it… basically a Jupiter without the front panel… but usually available for several hundred dollars less than the Jupiter). The Kachina (also requires a computer to control it… the first rig of its type) is also available in this price range, but support can be problematic since the manufacturer has gotten out of the HF radio business.
Summary
Decide what features are important to you, learn which radios have these features, see how well the manufacturer implemented these features via ARRL, eHam, and other sources of product reviews, and get pricing through eBay, eHam, and other sites. Then… take the hundreds of dollars you saved and put up a decent antenna!
HV FUN GUD DX ES 73 OM DE KD7KGX AR SK CL
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by K0BG on July 19, 2003
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I often wonder why some folks buy the brand of underwear that they do. The bottom line: personal preference.
You're very correct about one thing, however, all the major makers have at least one rig which will hold its own against any of the others. And the typical difference between them is for all practical purposes, moot.
Alan, KØBG
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by W8CRZ on July 19, 2003
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I just got done reading your article. I thought you did a fantastic job. I took a lightning strike about a week ago. When the insurance co is done making me jump thru hoops I'm going shopping for a new rig. I'm really leaning towards the FT-920.It seems to have all the goodies I want and you suggest we have. Thanks and good job on the writings!
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Rob W8CRZ
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by K8DIT on July 19, 2003
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Good job! The biggest mistake I see new hams making is rejecting out of hand any rig that doesnt have an automatic antenna tuner. This is a biggie. It means rejecting all the American made rigs of any era. I would encourage new hams to revisit this notion and out think this convenience because it precludes looking at some of the rigs whose makers designed less compromises in other areas. As you develop your antenna skills, you find not having to use the auto tuner and it becomes superfluous anyway. Yet your stuck with that pesky current limiting scheme that will not allow you to transmit into anything less than 1.5 to 1. When you begin to understand that the antenna tuner is eating your lunch, so to speak, it becomes a less attractive convenience. It is sad that this tool has become such a security blanket for those considering a new rig.
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by KX8N on July 19, 2003
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The only thing I disagree on is buying used. I agree, you can get some really good radios that way (I bought a used Kenwood 440 and loved it), but I prefer new because of the warranty. If something goes wrong right away, you can exchange it, and if it happens a little later, the warranty will cover it. That, and the low cost of very high quality new rigs, is what keeps me away from used.
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by AC7WL on July 19, 2003
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Have to agree with KX8N... Looking at E-bay, etc. one would think rigs never depreciate, many times I have seen rigs sell more on E-bay than what it would cost for a new radio. If the difference is only going to be $100-$200, is the savings really worth it? Furthermore, I see quite a bit of equipment bought from estate sales, etc. which the seller does not have the slightest idea what it is he/she is selling. You can buy from quite a few online retailers, gigaparts.com, alfenterprises.com, HRO (and so many more...) at very reasonable prices, fast shipping, decent technical support (and knowledgable, unlike your average pc tech support...) with a great warranty, so why even bother? The only time I would consider purchasing used equipment might be from a fellow ham at the club meeting. Just my humble opinion...
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by KG4YJR on July 19, 2003
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Very interesting and informative article John. Had I known then (when I first got licensed) what I know now or read more articles like this I might have saved up all the money I've spent so far, nickel here, dime there instead of buying cheaper equipment with less functions that I've grown out of quickly or expensive gear that I learned wasn't right for me. On the plus side it has been fun trying out different radios but out of all the money I've spent so far I could have a Kenwood TS2000 sitting on my desk right now. The second rig I bought (the first as is typical was a new IC-T7H HT) was a new Yaesu FT-817. Nice radio, about $750 with a couple of accessories but after only three months I found out QRP isn't for me. Thankfully I found a good buyer and the loss was minimal. New hams take note of this.
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After learning too many times the hard way, I don't buy much of anything (except for parts that I can't find any other way) used. With radios like the ic-718 and ts-50 to choose, buying used doesn't make much sense to me. Amps are a different story. New amps cost beyond what I would pay even if I could easily afford it. I would rather build them. But if I wanted to buy an amp, a Drake L4b or L7 would be my first choice. When buying an amp I would make the assumption that I will be buying new tubes and figure that into the cost.
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by WB4QNG on July 19, 2003
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I agree with WA8KJP to me a radio such as the ICom 718 new makes more since than a used one especially for a new ham. I could think of nothing worse than a newbie spending 4 or 5 hundred or more on a rig and it to go bottom up a month after he got it. As for as an old ham I guess it would depend on what you would want. A 5 year old town car or a new focus. Both do the same thing for about the same price. The town car does it a lot more comfort than the focus but you do have that warranty and peace of mind with the new focus. I perfer new but each his own.
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by N5LF on July 19, 2003
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I like the article but disagree that pre-1990 rigs are ODA. Most are better built than the throw-aways made since 1990. And most lack general coverage receive - which by the way is a GOOD thing. It means a more QRM proof and birdie-proof.
I would not rule out tube rigs. Among the best is the Kenwood TS-830, TS-530, TS-820, TS-520. The TS-830 in particular is a classic radio. Some say it has one of the best receivers Kenwood ever made. A fair price is $350 to $450. The matching tuner (AT-230) can be found to $80 to $150, and is well worth it - although the TS-830 will work with any antenna tuner.
I would not hesitate to recommend them. Or for that mater the TS-120, TS-130, TS-430, TS-440, etc., wh ich are all solid state. And you can have a very satisfactory station for $300 to $600 easily with these.
With tube rigs, consider the ones that use a 6146B (or 6146A, 6146W) for the final amplifier. This tube is still made, not horribly expensive, and was the most common amplifier tube. They are so sturdy you may never have to replace them, but just in case... stick weith the 6246 rigs. The Heathkit series (HW101, etc.) used them too.
Be cautious of Yaesu and national - they sued sweep tubes, which are more fragile and nowadays very hard to find.
Anyway, if you are afraid of tubes, don't pass up a working TS-130, especially if it has the CW filter installed (that's a $75 bonus right there!).
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by N2YZS on July 19, 2003
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Well thought out and well written. When I was first licensed (not that many years ago), articles like this were unavailable (the internet was in its infancy). I was happy with my 2 Kenwoods, until I bought a Ten Tec. So, under entry level radios, for a real decent price, I would have to add the Omni D, series B (because of the additional filters). Not a lot of bells and whistles, but good, solid performance at a reasonable price. And service is just a phone call away at Ten Tec. I personally would like an Omni VI+, and someday soon, down the road, I'll have one. Right now, my Corsair II does a superb job. Especially when buying a used radio, service can be important. Good luck. Vern
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by KD7KGX on July 20, 2003
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I have bought just about every major piece in my shack used from other hams and I have NEVER been disappointed in my purchases. Maybe I'm lucky... and maybe I exercise a little judgement on who I buy from and what I buy.
Here's the best way to buy used... INSIST on a 3-day right of return (buyer eats shipping both ways) on any piece of gear you buy. I find eBay to be a great source of gear, as well as various specialized reflectors (the Ten-Tec reflector, the Elecraft reflecter, the Heath reflector), and eHam (got several great deals off of eHam, too!). If the buyer won't warranty functionality (guaranteed not DOA) then I won't buy.
I've heard of unscrupulous buyers receiving a piece of gear, stripping out parts, and then sending the rig back to the seller "because it doesn't work". As a seller, I ALWAYS take a digital picture of the inside of the equipment as well as the outside, and then email the pictures to myself (to get a date stamp). If I ever ran into such an unscrupulous buyer, I'd proceed to sue him, and my pictures would meet the 'preponderance of the evidence' standard.
Re the risk of buying used versus new... electronic gear tends either to work, or not to work. If you get a used radio and it works when you turn it on and works for an hour or so, chances are it is going to be as reliable as a brand-new radio. I can also tell you that I've bought some real cosmetic dogs that, with a little elbow grease, ended up looking almost brand-new (an Alinco DR-605TQ from a smoker's car comes to mind), for about 1/3 of the new price. There was also the Alinco DJ-V5 that was totally trashed cosmetically... a new case from Alinco cost me $30 and the radio looks brand-new for less than 1/2 of a new one. Don't be afraid of used... especially if you're willing to turn a few screws.
At any rate, I'd much rather have a used, in as-new condition Icom 746 or Ten-Tec Jupiter or Kenwood TS-570 than a brand-new Icom 718 for the same price.
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by KD7EFQ on July 20, 2003
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I'm really glad to see Ten Tec mentioned in this article. I purchased a 2 yr old Omni 6+ for $600 off the new price. For someone buying used, one point to remember is customer service / support. Ten Tec will do their best to support / repair their older stuff unless the parts are just absolutely no longer available. The other brands usually just say we no longer support model "x,y,z," as it has been discontinued. To me, Ten Tec support is a cut above the rest. 73.
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by W5HTW on July 20, 2003
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Good to see this kind of helpful article being published. It is the kind of info the newcomer can use. It is a part of Elmering we don't get to see much of, since the apparently goal of ham organizations is to get as many hams as possible, but without giving them the foundation to be able to get on the air with suitable equipment and knowledgeable procedures.
A lot of new hams have to make decisions about what equipment to purchase without the assistance of more experienced hams. Some clubs used to provide a sort of free consulting service for newer members; a newcomer could consult with the team on prospective purchases. This was especially helpful when a newcomer was considering buying used equipment. I don't know if any clubs offer this today.
In the days of tube equipment, used gear was not a bad idea, as it could be had reasonably, and was something the older, expert ham could help repair and/or adjust, and often something the newcomer could learn electronics repair on. Today the compact SMT equipment is probably quite reliable, but if something does go wrong, the newcomer finds it much harder, and much more expensive, to get it fixed. For that reason I would recommend buying the best new equipment possible, even if it is bottom line and has less than the desired features. It has a warranty, which is critical for many of us who simply can't do in-depth technical repair on circuit baords that need a microscope for viewing! Then, as one learns and progresses, he can trade up to more new equipment. This suggests, of course, that we as a hobby are becoming a plug and play hobby and that is true, whether one views that as good or bad.
For those newcomers who can enlist the aid of more experienced hams, prior to making a purchase of new OR used equipment, the choice to go used may be a good one. The 'expert' can test the radio before purchase, look it over, and help determine its suitability for the user. He may be able to offer some prognosis as to reliability. Generally speaking a radio that is working "now" at the demo bench, will still be working six months from now, and probably a lot longer, if handled with reasonable care and skill.
My own experience has been in purchasing mostly used equipment, but as a dinosaur I have stuck with wither tube equipment, or transistorized equipment, that is large enough for me to see into and get my fingers into. Not many newcomers would want to go that route.
So it really comes down to enlisting the aid of someone who, in person, not on the web with general opinions, can view the prospective choices, test them, tell the purchaser about them and determine their suitability. That is a function clubs should provide, if possible, but even a small group of three or four hams who could volunteer in an area would be a great help.
73
ed
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by KE1MB on July 20, 2003
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Good write up. As i myself have some money burnning a hole in my pocket. I use a TS930S that I have rebuilt the power supply in. Really great radio but I am left wondering how I am going to replace that vacume display when it goes out one day, which it will. I think a good idea is to have a radio that does not use custom parts or if it does can the parts be bought. When my display goes out I will have to build one using LED type letters. The Ten-Tec radios have this beat both ways. First they use over the shelf LED displays. You get a bad one, simple replacement. The second is that Ten-Tec will support their radios no matter how old.
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by KA5N on July 20, 2003
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Much is made of Warranties and "ability to get a radio repaired". If the company goes under or out of business the warranty is worthless. Electronic components are getting to a point where their lifetime in a radio is longer than their availability as a replacement part. Individual 7 segment LEDs may be available today, in a couple of years, who knows? With SMT and LSI and all varieties of "programmed chips" 2-3 years may be the "repairable life" of a piece of gear. It's kind of like this friend of mine who is always worried about everything he buys from cars to radios: "Yeah I like that model better but this one will have the highest trade-in value." I on the other hand buy stuff I like and keep it as long as possible. He always has new stuff he doesn't really like, and I have old stuff I am happy with. Who's right?
Allen KA5n
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by NK7J on July 21, 2003
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Very good article. I agree that used can be a very good option. The last rigs I have bought or traded were used and I have had great luck. These have been IC-746, FT-847, IC-706MK2G, IC-756PRO and a TS-430S. Not to mention a bunch of two meter and 440 Mobiles. I think out of the 20+ radios I have traded I came up with two problem radios, one I knew had a problem (ft-5200 with low TX power) and the other developed a problem after about 6 months of use (the IC-746). On the 746 the display died, or did it? After some trouble shooting I discovered the 8V regulator was not working properly, after some more trouble shooting I found one of the SM caps had shorted to ground. 6 cents for a new cap and I was back in business.
I am sure that one can get burned with used equipment but I think those cases are rare. I paid $1450 for my 756Pro when the PRO2 came out and was tickled to death and still like that radio very much. So I would not be afraid of used.
Someone else beat me to it on the auto tuners. I turn the darned things OFF unless I am just lazy one night. Tuners (auto or manual) are a total waste of time and money. Think about what you are doing with them, you are compensating for a poor antenna (for that freq). I have done some experiments and found that if you check at THE ATNENNA feedpoint with a SWR meter and calculate it out you will find that you have gained nothing, noda, zilch with the tuner. You have fooled the radio but all that power is wasted in the tuner box! Now if the tuner was at the antenna feedpoint you might have something! In short dont blow money on tuners! Just put up a properly tuned antenna.
Thanks for the great article.
Jack
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by KB0GU on July 21, 2003
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Even though this review relegates the Kenwood TS870 to yesterday's best I would like to comment that the TS870 is a better radio than the TS2000 anyday, any mode. Perhaps another make might have more to offer but the 870 is still the best Kenwood rig made.
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by N8FVJ on July 21, 2003
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Some of my favorites:
Kenwood TS-520S- Ultra reliable, excellent noise blanker. Inexpensive 'oldie' radio.
Kenwood TS-850SAT- Top notch receiver. $750-850 average cost.
ICOM IC-765- Top notch receiver. $950-1100 average cost.
TEN TEC OMNI V- Top notch receiver. Seen a few at $600 with some optional filters.
ICOM IC-740- IMHO, best receiver vs dollars spent. Many available for $350. Find one with the FL-44A 455kHz I.F. filter installed.
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by WA2JJH on July 22, 2003
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Very good and methodical artical.
My two cents....TS-520 very good choice for tube finsl/driver rig. It was my first decent rig I bought new. Before I had trash rigs I picked up and fixed from hamfest's. I fell for the old hamfest classic......"Yeah kid, it worked the last time I used it!"
TS-850SAT. Picked one up cheap. Needed a few repairs.
However it was worth it. The only thing I could do with out with is the ATU. It will not tune above a 2.5 to 1 SWR. With out a mod only the transmitter is tuned.
My ATU fried. I am going to remove the ATU. I will then buy an external ATU.
A TS-850 is a great radio. The Dusl slope PBT will beat
many DSP rigs. The RF speech Proc is exceptional.
Add the optionsl 1.8khz and 500hz filter, You will have a supreme receiver for any mode. It will blow any Audio DSP rig out of the water.(IMHO)The NB2 mod is good to do. NB2 will then work for todays QRN, and QRM.
FWIW it looks great!
The Swiss army knife Rigs like the FT-100D(make sure it is a newer ones) and the Icom 706 msrk II are a inexpensive way to have all bands and modes.
For under $800 new they are decent radio's for a no code tech that wants to pass the 5 WPM test.
How ever if you hate menu's, these rigs got them big time. They simply are not good contester radio's
Drakes have always been a cut above the japenese radio's.
If you want to go real inexpensive the TR-4's(cw)
are great. A nice 175-200 watts out. Great RX and that nice tube audio that will relax you.
TR-7(A)'s, a big rig. However simply superior construction. Rugged and easy for you to sdd or modify
as you like it. Why the NB was optional excapes me.
Do not buy the Eico 753. It is good Karma to get one for free. Get the VFO stabilised. Use it. Then give it away to a new ham. A new ham that has a sense of humor sny way!
73 MIKE
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Try 6 meters! During peak season, it's a BLAST!
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by W8KQE on July 22, 2003
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If you are a Tech licensee, and do not yet have HF priveleges, and are growing weary of just repeater communications, you can still get a 'taste' of what HF DXing is like if you get a 6 meter radio! Especially during the 'Sporadic-E' propagation months between May and August (when peak openings occur), and to a lesser degree, December and January (with slight variations), you can work domestic skip DX, and sometimes even foreign country DX as well (Caribbean, Canada, and Central America are often heard). This 2003season has been incredible so far on six, with great openings to the south, southwest, northeast, and even far western states and the Caribbean at times (from EN91 and FN30 at least)! So if you don't want to splurge for a more expensive HF or HF+6 rig, you can spend about 250 to 400 bucks on a NEW 6m rig (Ranger 5054DX, MFJ 6m Adventure Radio, Patcomm PC-500, etc.), and a loop or small beam antenna, and get in on the fun! Check out this 6m article: http://www.sdc.org/~finley/sixmeter.html
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by K8DXX on July 22, 2003
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I cannot recommend a newcomer shopping on eBay. I often see used rigs sell for 95% of current retail. If nothing else, ask a more seasoned ham to guide you in placing bids. Don't get caught up in bidding fever.
eHam classifieds are a good place to buy and sell.
Personally, I'd strongly recommend either the TS870 or the FT1000MP. In the case of the 'MP, they usually come loaded up with filters; options that can cost $150+ a pop.
Last but not least, the recommendation to join ARRL and to use their product review resource is very solid. ARRL is a good investment in amateur radio's future. Their product reviews contain objective laboratory test results. Although it may take a more seasoned ham to properly interpret the results, they generally speak for themselves.
73 de Bill / K8DXX
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RE: Need Help Choosing a New or Used Radio?
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by K8DIT on July 23, 2003
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Radio buying strategies should be a factor in choosing your rig. The easiest way to find a new rig is call an 800 number and order it using your credit card. If you are flush, its a no brainer. You know the radio is going to work, even if you havent got the infrastructure up to try it out. Many hams buy gear with the best intentions only to never use it. The second best way is to network locally using the ham club as a hub for information. This way you avoid the internet pitfalls and your rig never sees the inside of a delivery truck.
The next easiest is finding one on the raido. Using your radio to find a radio is fun and challenging. Find a local gear guru and exploit him for info and leads. Gear gurus just want to see that unused radios find homes. Some gear gurus are slick turnover guys, but most are just sincere hams who have lots of experience with all kinds of gear. They know what you want to know. Avoid single brand gurus unless you happen to agree with him. Some old timers have brand loyaties that only they understand. Many are just slaves to fashion and have the latest and greatest no matter what. They can be infectious and are often good salesman. The ideal is to find a guru with a generic sense of what's available and is aware of your desires once you've expressed them.
The better equipped you are with information the better your choices will be. I got my first rig from a guy whose wife told him to unload his neglected gear. I got a ts120 and a cushcraft vertical for like $250 back in the mid 80s. It came with 2 mics. a key, and an swr meter.
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by K3YD on July 23, 2003
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Another very reliable "oldie but goodie" is the ICOM IC-735. I've owned one since '90 and it has served me well. With an (optional) CW filter they offer very acceptable performance on all modes. They are currently available, used, for around $325-$350. Unlike today's SMT radios, these are repairable--if service is ever needed. They are modern enough to allow computer control.
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by KF6VVP on August 9, 2003
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buying a used rig may be very temping , when you see a
ic-735 with ant tuner for about $450, on e-bay , you might start licking your chops .You just want to get on the band and start squeeing the pickle, or banging the paddles, but , remember these rigs are 20 years old. And ya just can't be sure how they have been treated and or operated . How were they stored ,god forbid they got dropped , or had a cold miller spilted on them . Lets face it , the first thing you do when you sell a car is wash it. They are not all bad deals ,but as always , buyer beware . 73 om
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by KF7VZ on August 23, 2003
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A veritable wealth of excellent information. BRAVO!
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