Typing is Just a Mode!
robert koerner (X-WB1AUW)
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What I find most ironic is that mastering receiving CW is just like mastering typing.
There are all of these people complaining about having to exert sustained determination to receive code at 5WPM, complaining by typing.
No one was born knowing the exact layout of the keyboard. By practice, we learn where the letters, numbers etc. are on the keyboard. Then we become faster, better at it by practice, or through usage.
After all, typing is just a mode of communication, from the last century. No one should have to learn how to type to participate in on line forums. We should just be able to pick up a telephone, or microphone and dictate what will appear on the Internet.
Maybe eHam should switch to all audio. We call into the site and listen to everyone's spoken comments.
What is wrong with eHam forcing us to learn how to type!? Typing is from our great-grandparents generation. We need to get eHam into the 21st Century.
Join our NO TYPING International VEC.
Come to think of it, tying shoelaces is antique technology, especially with Velcro, and slip on boots. Why should little children have to learn how to tie shoelaces? WOW! Talk about child abuse. Force you kids to learn how to tie their shoelaces, and you get turned into a Child Welfare Agency.
Wait a minute! Computer technology is from last century too! -- Circa 1940s.
Satellites? EME? FM? SSB? Printed circuit boards? Telephone lines? SOLDER!!!
What century is copper from?
We are screwed! All of this technology and modes we use from the last century, and preceding centuries has got to go.
Certainly shouldn't have to study any of that to become a ham!
Hmm. Electricity. What century is electricity from?
I'm anxiously awaiting the technology and modes that free us from Ham Radio's prior century.
Think I'll grab some 1-amp diodes and resistors and run 6 amps through them. -- Nothing like a smoke sacrifice to the Gods who will usher us into the new "NO CODE" century.
I wonder... Should I complete my smoke sacrifice circuit with my straight key or bug?
If I used my mic's PTT, I might destroy my mic (can't be a ham in the new century without one of them. Think one of those "roger-beep" mics might work?), and get sued by that cellular phone company that copy righted "Push To Talk".
In fact, how can I finish this post without using prior century technology?
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by KB1JPB on September 17, 2003
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by KA7GKN on September 17, 2003
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aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in what oredr the ltteers in a wrod are,
the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe
raergds,
marty ka7gkn
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by KG4PZZ on September 17, 2003
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"aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in what oredr the ltteers in a wrod are,
the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe
raergds,
marty ka7gkn"
You also use context to help identify words. Oddly enough, your post was easier to read than some of the jibberish found elsewhere on the internet.
Fred
KG4PZZ
(as for the original topic ... it's been beaten to death. over and over. I won't go into it -- again.)
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by MRMORSE on September 17, 2003
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Why stop there? Using your convoluted logic we should also learn smoke signals, pound out messages on the tribal drum and make calculations with an abacus. You can trot out all the seemingly valid or rationalized reasons for keeping code as part of the licensing exam.... but you didn't. Your inference is that somehow code itself is being removed as a method of communication. Your ramblings are that of a desperate man clutching at straws over the eventual removal of cw testing. Sad and pathetic how you keep beating this dead horse.
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by KG5JJ on September 17, 2003
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What about antennas? My god! Antennas are as old as it gets! If we're going to throw-out all the archaic, useless artifacts of Amateur Radio, we MUST throw-out all our ANTENNAS!
All of our woes would be magically erased! I'm going outside right now and cut all of my antennas down, then burn them, never to inconvenience me again! It's so simple, why didn't anyone think of this before?
I can't wait to work my neighbors using Morse by banging on a metal trash-can! I'm going to be the first ham in the state to get the coveted WCB (Worked a City Block) award! You won't have to wait until someone gets on the air anymore, you can wake-up your neighbors by banging CQ on the trash-can! Instant QSO!
Best of all, I won't use ANY archaic amateur radio equipment! None! All that is required is knowing a useless, archaic, fundamental digital language! Who knew it could be so easy?
73 KG5JJ (Mike)
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by WA7NWP on September 17, 2003
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Maybe Eham should only accept forum posting from folks with a 13 WPM certificate in proficiency using the Dvorak keyboard. We could organize volunteer examiners to give tests for a small fee. That'll keep the rifraf out and we'll only have polite, sophisticated and intelligent discussions from then on.
:-)
Bill, WA7NWP
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by K1ZF on September 17, 2003
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Love it!
I can type 45 WPM and copy CW 40 WPM. (Once, as my sticker says) Anyone who says they can't copy 5 WPM is a lazy person.
Gene, K1XF
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by KF6ZLB on September 17, 2003
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As and Extra Light who doesn't yet have an HF rig nor an antenna for HF, I thought I'd finally put in my two cents on this issue.
It didn't kill me to learn to copy 5 WPM. It won't kill me to try to do more with CW (especially before I lose the two or three remaining brain cells that hold the 85% of the CW alphabet I can still recall.)
CW IS NOT the most robust mode, but it IS robust. Modes that are more robust require more technology (computers or at least very narrow filters, integrators, etc.)
CW IS the simplest mode for communication over a distance. If you have something that emits light or RF or sound, and you can modulate it in an on-off fashion, even if you have to use the power switch to do so, you can get your message out.
CW can save your butt, according to my neighbor, Ms. Guilford, N6OWT, who was at sea in a sailboat when she had to fall back on her knowledge of CW due to radio problems in rough seas.
Now, my problem is motivation. I am not directly interested in CW. I am interested in antenna design and construction. I am interested in doing the most with the least: good antenna, low power transmitter, good receiver. I am interested in operation from remote locations. That keeps leading me back to CW, the minimalist's mode.
I doubt keeping or dumping the CW requirement will be the death of amateur radio, but my preference would be to keep it. To me, it doesn't seem much harder to learn than some of the technical stuff, and among modes, it really is unique due to its combination of simplicity and robustness.
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by NE1RD on September 17, 2003
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WA7NPW wrote:
Maybe Eham should only accept forum posting from folks with a 13 WPM certificate in proficiency using the Dvorak keyboard. We could organize volunteer examiners to give tests for a small fee. That'll keep the rifraf out and we'll only have polite, sophisticated and intelligent discussions from then on.
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Bill, WA7NWP
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This was the funniest thing I'd read all day. Thank you!
-- Scott (NE1RD)
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by N2NZJ on September 18, 2003
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THIS IS JUST ONE MORE OF MANY PRO-CODE VS NO CODE thread trails.ooooooooooooooooooh nooooooooooooooo MR.BILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. 73 DE N2NZJ NCI #4936 THAS ALL FOLK'S.
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by RFSOAKED on September 18, 2003
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Everybody get out the sticks, its time to beat another dead horse on eHam! Why in the world do the idiots of eHam allow this dribble to be posted to the site? Perhaps its because the folks that run eHam are just as backwards as the guy who wrote this dribble.
It barely takes reading the first paragraph to see that this entire article is just the writing of a troll.
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by N7AAO on September 18, 2003
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Okay, by your logic, if typing is a mode, and we need testing in the various modes in ham radio, I wanna see you petition the FCC to include a typing test for HF access. We should also test the potential hams to see if they can hook up a radio to a PC for use on the digital modes... and see if they can run a TV camera for the TV modes...
Or, for a more logical approach, we test for the BASICS (Morse is no longer a basic for communications, by the way), and let the person find an Elmer or books or whatever information they feel they need for the various modes they want to work. If they want to work CW, they will learn Morse. If they want to work TV, they will learn the ins and outs of TV. If they want to work digital, they will learn to type.
Which one makes more sense?
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by KD5WIH on September 18, 2003
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This is an ongoing topic on eHam, but as people continue to debate it, it's not a dead topic.
Bob's point is simple, but it's true; just because a technology is old, doesn't mean it's outdated.
I am one of many who are learning the code because of the advantages of the CW mode. It doesn't come easy to me, but I will continue to learn it, even if the testing requirement is dropped tomorrow.
KD5WIH
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by N7AAO on September 18, 2003
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KD5WIH said:
"I am one of many who are learning the code because of the advantages of the CW mode. It doesn't come easy to me, but I will continue to learn it, even if the testing requirement is dropped tomorrow."
Thank you so much for making my point for me! People will continue to learn, and use, Morse code even if the code testing is dropped. In point of fact, I would bet that if/when code testing is eliminated, it will make little or no difference in the number of operators using it. The reason is simple... even though people are now forced to learn it, many (such as myself), do not use it. However, those that want to use it will still be able to learn it. So, remove the testing requirement, you still have the same two groups of people... those that do not want to use it, and those who do. And both will STILL be able to make their own choice about using it or not.
--David (who DID pass his code test, thank you very much.)
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by ZS1DX on September 18, 2003
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RFSOAKED: If you had any balls at all, you'd state your call sign. Don't let the "backwards idiots of eHam" ruin your day. The door is open. You may leave now.
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by KZ9G on September 18, 2003
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What a troll...
CW is a fun mode, but it is outdated and unimportant when compared to today's modern technology. It has been replaced by every other radio service's list of substantive transmission modes, with the expception of simple transmitter identification. Let's keep it around for tradition, nostalgia and for fun, but it shouldn't be a continued requirement for licensing.
Times, people, values and licensing requirements change; it's inevitable. It's only a matter of time until the CW requirement is reduced further or removed completely. The FCC will see to that...
Let's find another dead horse to beat. This horse has collected too many flies and maggots, and stinks to high heaven.
73!
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by RFSOAKED on September 18, 2003
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ZS1DX:
Nothing constructive to say i see, too bad, your just the reason why the no-codes hate pro-codes. I have no real position on the morse issue, mainly because the decision has already been made, and coded hams like me are going to be a thing of the past. And for the record i happen to be a 13wpm general class, so not a general lite as the old curmudgeons have started to call them.
Its to bad that you have to use such language on here, i never have resulted to vulgar language. Guess that just goes to show that CW is not a moral filter whatsoever if people like you can have access to HF. Perhaps your part of the potty mouth crowd on 75 each night?
OH well, as far as the reason for no callsign its simple, i used to use my call on here, than all the no-calls were flaming me night and day through my web page and email accounts, and there is a significant threat of identity theft on the net these days. I watched it happen to a ham friend about six months ago, he is still trying to fix everything after the person who stole his identity got credit cards in his name and maxed them out. It will be years before his credit is straightened out, and he even got federal help in fixing everything.
It doesnt matter if you provide a callsign on eHam, i didn't, but what does matter is someone having your callsign so they can start searching the web for you, and the FCC ULS doesnt require a license to search for peoples info.
Anonymity is the way to go in these days of cyber crimes and identity thefts. If you feel 100% secure to put all your personal info on the line then thats your choice, if eHam required a callsign then i wouldnt be using eHam. Some say why be a ham then, well i enjoy it, far more than some that sit and bicker on here, and even if i were to give my callsign these days it wouldnt allow you any info on QRZ or the FCC ULS, a court order took care of protecting my info these days, but i would still not risk it.
73
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by K9DI on September 18, 2003
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>aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in what oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe
HORSE HOCKEY!!!! Yes, a sighted person might be able to figure out what the above means, but what about blind people that rely on text to speech technology??? It would be pure gibberish...
Now on to the topic at hand....
Extremely amusing, but scary nonetheless
73
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Wayne K9DI
k9di@NOSPAMk9di.org
www.k9di.org
Proud Flying Pig #217
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by KB7LYM on September 18, 2003
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I don't know what to think when I read this article if you might call it that. It was perhaps that the writer was under the Alcoflence of Incehol or under the spell of the West Indian Juju juice. In my imagination I see an old ham talking 2 words a minute in a jibberish kind of language. Years of talking the same drone he is now practising the forbidden language of the Gulaga tribe of New Guina. Perhaps the rattling of the Kangaroo bones will be a welcome addition to the Ham bands.
This is TYPED with 2 fingers at neckbraking speed of 3 baud.
I wish you well
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by DOODAH on September 18, 2003
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How do pathetic troll posts like that one end up as front page eham articles?
You NEED to type to enter words onto a computer efficiently.. you do NOT need CW to work any other mode on HF. There is no logical comparison. Why do all these extremely poor analogies keep getting trotted out by the small minded bigots?
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by K3WVU on September 18, 2003
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Bring back Spark!
The elimination of spark gap transmission has ruined ham radio!
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by HAMFAN on September 18, 2003
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I will go out on a limb here and make the astonishing suggestion that the vast majority of people, any people anywhere, when communicating with each other...TALK...to each other. Ya'll know..you open your mouths and words come out..TALK to each other.
Yeah...Now I will venture to make the next astonishing suggestion: The vast majority of all hams when communicating with each other, on the radio, do so by TALKING to each other. Good ol' voice comms. Imagine that.
Why should anyone have to learn an archaic beeping cypher in order to be able to talk one another over a radio on the HF bands?
Now here's a good one for ya... When CW enthusiasts get together in person, like at a hamfest, how do they communicate face to face? Do they stand around and make beeping sounds to each other? If they do I hope they go into a double ultra secret room, away from the general public, to go on with their beeping sounds and curious handshakes.....naw...hell naw...they just TALK, in plain voice...like everyone else does.
When broken down to a common sense viewpoint, which is admittedly extremely difficult to get to around here and at QRZ too, this must-have-code-to-talk-on-HF-thing is pretty darned silly.
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by KB9YUR on September 18, 2003
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Here we go again, trying to get this dead horse back to life. I suppose we do need more
doctors ...
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by AC9TS on September 18, 2003
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There must be some reason why radio manufacturers send microphones rather then paddles as standard equipment!?
Tom - AC9TS
13WPM/FCC Office General
Extra Lite now
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by KA4KOE on September 18, 2003
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Typing ain't a mode, its an action whereby you enter data on an input device, ie keyboard.
So, therefore, "typing" is a VERB!!!
P
KA4KOE
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by AA4PB on September 18, 2003
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Morse Code is not a mode - CW is a mode that uses Morse.
Typing is not a mode - RTTY is a mode that uses typing.
If you think the digital guys know how to type then you haven't been around much. Often times you can go to sleep waiting for him to find the next character on the keyboard. Thank God for brag files :-)
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by KB9YZL on September 18, 2003
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Equating Typing with learning Code?!!!?
Really bad analogy!
I've been using computers since 1975, written several 200+ page technical manuals, a couple hundred owner' manuals, and I'm still a "three finger keyboard pounder".
Never bothered to learn touch typing, and I have never felt the least bit handicapped.
I hope, just for the sake of your argument, that the analogy doesn't work in reverse.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by W3JJH on September 18, 2003
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After trying to analyze your reasoning, I can only recommend that you take a look at
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/
before posting again.
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by KC8YHU on September 18, 2003
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Morse code is not a mode, it is a code. Learning to type on a keyboard does take time, but you do not have to learn the entire english alphabet all over again to use it, just where to move your fingers. But i will say that Morse Code is a usefull mode and should stay in amateur radio. I'm staying out of the topic to drop it, which has been talked to death and then some on this board.
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by KT8K on September 18, 2003
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One of the distinguishing characteristics of the trolls on eham.net, besides anonymity (and paranoia), is having no sense of humor.
I thought the initial post was amusing, as were many of the responses.
Have fun, everyone.
73 de kt8k - Tim
PS - I don't think CW should be required to use voice on HF, though it might be considered as a requirement for using CW on the HF bands!! If that means redefinition of license classes, so be it.
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by N7AAO on September 18, 2003
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ZS1DX said,
"RFSOAKED: If you had any balls at all, you'd state your call sign."
Hey, ZS1DX... please tell me why someone with a call sign from South Africa should care about USA Morse code requirements for licensing? And if that is NOT your real call sign (as I suspect), then you can apply your own comment above to yourself.
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by KZ9G on September 18, 2003
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X-WB1AUW is actually AE7G. What's with this anyway? I'm pretty sure I've seen posts by AE7G at times. Hmmm.
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by KC5NYJ on September 18, 2003
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"Do they stand around and make beeping sounds to each other?"
ROFL!! Actually, this can be true. I remember one hamfest where there was a group of guys doing just that to illustrate their proficiency in "head copy". As I recall, they were quite amused with themselves.
I agree comparing CW to Typing is an incorrect analogy. Typing is the primary mode of data entry today. CW is not the primary mode of communicating via radio. The problem with these bad analogies is they are the only straws for hardcore beepists to hang on to, because there is no really compelling reason to keep it as a requirement.
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by KC5NYJ on September 18, 2003
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OP said: "We should just be able to pick up a telephone, or microphone and dictate what will appear on the Internet."
I don't know what planet you've been on, but I've used voice recognition and dictation software for years.
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by KD7NNT on September 18, 2003
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Are you required to pass a typing test to use RTTY?
Are you required to pass a speaking test to use phone?
Are you required to pass a typing test to use the telephone?
Yes, CW is great. But, as you imply, it is just a mode.
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by KC0LPV on September 18, 2003
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Troll, or moron... It's so hard to tell these days.
I don't need to dissect your "argument", and I use that word loosely, very much to find fault.
Typing is currently the overall best (speed+reliability) mode of transfering information from a human mind into a computer (or typing it on paper...).
CW/Morse is currently the overall best mode of...sending morse code.
There is no link between CW and the use of any voice mode, and only the most tenuous links to any data modes. Most data modes have more in common with voice than CW.
CW is also famously not a prerequisite for learning electronics theory. From what I have seen, learning CW is not a requirement in any major Electrical Engineering degree program. In a similar vein, I have a fairly high degree of electronic technical and theoretical knowledge, and yet I haven't bothered to learn morse code yet.
I know I'm just feeding the troll, but by now eham readers are used to such inane exchanges.
Jim kc0lpv
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by KF6JZC on September 18, 2003
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On a more seious note, CW is just another mode to communicate with. It is one of many. It may be important to know but should not be a requirement to know any more than how to use any other mode. Comparing the use of CW to a computer keyboard is not valid. Even though both are inventions of the previous century and before, doesn't mean that they are obsolete. Most computer users are comfortable using the keyboard because it is in many ways the best way to get information into a computer from a user. There are newer technologies for this but these technologies are not the best overall. Until engineers design a man to computer interface using voice or some other method that works for all applications, the keyboard is still the most important and most used method of putting data into a computer by a user (disregarding information created elsewhere using disks etc.). There are already voice input systems for computers but they don't work efficiently for all applications.
If CW is not made a requirement for HF priveleges, it is still an important mode to know. Why? Because it is the simplest method of sending information over a radio. You never know when there might be a time when you need to communicate when no other method will get through. Manufactures probably have this in mind when they design their equipment. For example, my ICOM 706MKIIG has two buttons on the microphone that can be used to send CW in a pinch if need be. It isn't particularly efficent but it would work if needed. Plus, you can send CW simply by keying your mic.
As far as testing goes. There are many ways to test the knowledge of a prospective ham. There are so many books out to study for tests that a person can pass a test without having to really learn the information. The current tests do not really test a persons knowledge of the radio art. They just prove that someone spent enough time studying the question pool. Even with three license levels, a person with no desire to learn electronics or radio law, can pass the tests given enough time to study the question pool.
In summary then, I don't believe that knowledge of CW is going to make or break Ham Radio nor does it separate us from the 'CB' crowd. In my opinion, what should separate us from those others is our knowlege of radio theory and law and our operating practices.
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by W5UX on September 18, 2003
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Years back we compared am to ssb and found ssb about ten times as strong and took much less space. With that in mind we dropped am like a rock. We compared ssb to cw and found cw about ten times stronger and took up only a sliver of space so we will drop cw. What kind of logic is this?
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by N6AJR on September 18, 2003
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First, you CAN TALK and have it enter data, (speech recognition software, and you can use softwaer to read text to yo so typing is an outdated mode. I do type, literally with two fingers as I damaged some digits working and now can ONLY TYPE with two fingers... and I am not even going to comment yet one more time on the doom and gloomm boys... lets make code a pride thing, not a requirement, real hams know code, required or not by the fcc..ehh
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by AE6IP on September 18, 2003
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My all time favorite 60 minutes episode featured Morley Saver (sp?) a little bit tipsy, sitting near the prow of a sail boat, and typing his story -- using hunt and peck, faster than most touch typists.
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by N2NZJ on September 18, 2003
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THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME(CONFUSION).NO ONE ASKED FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE MODE OF CW.JUST THE REMOVAL OF THE TEST(ONLY).NOT THE MODE IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH.there seems to be a lot of people that either on purpose or really ACTUALLY DON'T GET.it could be (H H D) HARD HEAD DISEASE.I think after reading some of these so called comments I THINK WE HAVE AN EPIDEMIC OF THIS.SO AS I SAID 3 TIMES BEFORE no one has a PETITION CALLING FOR THE REMOVAL OF CW THE MODE.(JUST THE TEST ELEMENT 1 A).SUPPORT AND PASS RM-10786 FAST SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.and forget these threads ALL 2000 of them.we might even make the book of records THE MOST THREADS EVER BEATING ON THE SAME SUBJECT."WOW". SO 73 DE N2NZJ TOM. P.S. DO I MAKE MYSELF CRYSTAL CLEAR.
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by AE6IP on September 18, 2003
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"we should also learn ... [how to] make calculations with an abacus."
FWIW: I am told that a very popular item in Japan is an abacus with a 4 function calculator in the base.
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by N1RWC on September 18, 2003
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Here's my thoughts on this one.......
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is it that someone has to start a whinning crybaby thread every two or three days?
I'm glad I check this stuff out a couple of times a week, then again, I have a real life, and other things to worry about than this garbage.
PS If you haven't figured it out yet, the text says "BORING!"
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by KE4RWS on September 19, 2003
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GOD what a bunch of sh*t this is. Why do people feel SO compelled to keep running this issue into the ground?
Get a life folks! Move on and get past this bullsh*t. Obviously some people just LOVE keeping this code/no-code fecal matter going.
I think eHam should take a sabatical on this issue, and grant a one-month "black out" of ALL code/no-code comments just so some people can have a break from this sh*t.
Seriously, some of you people are really retarded when it comes to putting a whole new code issue on this board every few days. Give it a rest for a week!!
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by AB7JK on September 19, 2003
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To anyone who cares about this issue:
You are a fluke of the universe -
You have no right to be here -
And if you can here it or not
the universe is laughing behind your back....
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by KG5JJ on September 19, 2003
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For the sake of argument, how many eham members are touch typists, and how many are hunt 'n' peckers? ;-}
73 KG5JJ (Mike)
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by OLDFART13 on September 19, 2003
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i'M A VERY GOOD TYPIST. nOW IF i CAN ONLY FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT cAPS lOCK KEY IS!
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by KD5YDY on September 19, 2003
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FYI: Typing is not obsolete. Medical Transcriptionists are in great demand everywhere. Speech to text processing is still too inefficient to use on a widespread basis. Too inaccurate for most applications of the technology.
For a bit of change, why don't we talk about another archaic code that never seems to die. You know, MD hieroglyphics that are so unreadable, it must be a cultic code--a bit like Morse. Only a REAL doctor can write unreadable hieroglyphic prescriptions and get away with it.
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by W3DCG on September 19, 2003
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But not if medical schools drop all Latin requirements as some confounding out-dated mode.
Well said, only r e a l doctors... hi hi.
Regarding this article,
nice, light, and makes a good point.
Nice and short for CW types like me accused of having A.A.D.D.
hi.
73 es wellness to all.
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by N0YVW on September 20, 2003
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WA7NWP writes:
>Maybe Eham should only accept forum posting from
>folks with a 13 WPM certificate in proficiency
>using the Dvorak keyboard. We could organize
>volunteer examiners to give tests for a small
>fee. That'll keep the rifraf out and we'll
>only have polite, sophisticated and intelligent
>discussions from then on.
Dude! I'm all about this! I'm poking along at about 85 WPM on a QWERTY keyboard right now, but give me my Dvorak keyboard back, and I'm right up there at 140-150 WPM.
I never even thought about doing that on the air using HSCCW.
As for the actual content of the article, been there, discussed that. I've become convinced that many of these pro-CW articles are actually planted by NCI just to hack off the undecided hams enough to join them. :-)
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by N2NZJ on September 20, 2003
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NOW WE ARE GOING TOWARDS 3000 THREADS ON THE SAME ISSUE (GIVE IT A BREAK) go check out the BPL ARTICLE I think that article IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THESE articles that start hundreds of PRO-CODE VS NO CODE TEST DEBATES.the BPL IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO ALL.the article tells you how to write your CONGRESSMAN.go to IT. 73 DE N2NZJ TOM.
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by KC8VWM on September 20, 2003
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Hmm.. is it me? or are all the forums on eham starting to look the same?!
They all have the same CW argument in them.
I think the SSB mode switch in eham is glued in the CW position.
KC8VWM
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by KC8VWM on September 20, 2003
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He Said:
"I think that article IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THESE articles that start hundreds of RO-CODE VS NO CODE TEST DEBATES."
Reply:
Huh? There is nothing more important than saving old Western Union spark gap transmitters from sure demise.
Give your head a shake! What were you thinking??
KC8VWM
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by N2NZJ on September 20, 2003
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I WAS THINKING KILL BPL BEFORE IT KILLS US. THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CONVEY.or there will be a fire SALE ON SPARK GAPS AND J-38 KEYS AND MC ELROY BUGS AND ETC. so cheers and beers 73 N2NZJ TOM.
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by N6AJR on September 20, 2003
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Roses are red
violets are blue
CW is a mode
SSB is too...
burma shave
now I tell you the reason these all sound like the same post is that it is the same 20 guys posting most of the time , me included so what else would be the result, same guys, same opinions, endless debate and no one is convincing any one of any thing
73 Tom N6AJR
Elaie Fini
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by KE6PKJ on September 21, 2003
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If BPL passes we WILL need spark gap transmitters to be heard. Now, if I could safely devise a way to put a LARGE KEY across those high tension wires to make the ultimate spark gap transmitter....
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by N6AJR on September 21, 2003
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I used to work in electronic countermeasurs on b52's in th airforce and we did do that very thing, accidently dropping rope chaff ( long strips of tin foil.. like really long, several hundred yards long.. across the power lines.. ZAP!
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by KC8SKX on September 22, 2003
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THE CODE IS DEAD AND YOU LIKELY WILL BE SOON
(WE ALL DIE)
KC8SKX
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by KE2IV on September 23, 2003
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Same old, same old. Over and over again.
Get a life...each and everyone of you!
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by RobertKoernerExAE7G on September 23, 2003
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Gawd! I completely forgot about antennas!
Antique tech stuff, gotta GO!
Still researching what era the electron is from; doesn't matter; another antique concept--gotta GO!
Make way for the NEW Centuary Ham Radio.
Maybe new centuary radio uses the concept that we can't measure where the field is, and its speed, so therefor antennas do not exist.
Bye, bye E.M.F.=amp.ohms.
What!? Me have humor?
73
Bob, X-WB1AUW, AE7G
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by KC0ODY on September 23, 2003
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I can type 110 WPM. Does anyone give out a "I Can Kick All Your Sorry Butts on the Keyboard" certificate? You see, I can only reliably copy 12 WPM CW. C'mon folks; throw me a bone here. I'm desperate for some recognition.
Jackie
(Note to the humor-impaired: this was meant to be satiric of some of the attitudes I've seen on this and other ham forums.)
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by AE6IP on September 23, 2003
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"Still researching what era the electron is from"
Assuming you mean when it was discovered, late 19th century. J.J. Thompson.
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by RobertKoernerExAE7G on September 23, 2003
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YUP.
Confirms my suspicion.
The electron is too old to have a place in the new, technology driven, ham radio for the 21st century!
Down with electrons!
Up with dark mass and string theory communications.
Beam us up Scotty!
73
Bob
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by KB9YZL on September 24, 2003
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Bob;
From the generally sarcastic tone of you posts, I have to assume that you favor holding onto old, basic technology, even when newer concepts are available. If you find that entertaining,... Good for you! .... A hobby is, after all, a hobby!
By the way; How many cranks does it take to get your Model T started? (Another good example of technology that was perfectly servicable in it's day!)
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by CODEBASHER on September 24, 2003
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>THE CODE IS DEAD AND YOU LIKELY WILL BE SOON
>(WE ALL DIE)
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>KC8SKX
Yes but some of them (pro-codders)so deparately need some help to accomplish this... makes one wish for "retroactive abortion"
har har we be pirates with our knives in our mouths dripping with the blood of the no-codders!
we all (both know-code/no-codee) just love to fight and scratch and dig at each other.....(pour sand into each others radio) while we are in the same sandbox!
It wouldn't be fun if we didn't fuss and moan about our pet peeves. Kind of reminds me of my daughters 2year old class she teaches, they fuss over thier toys too. I find most Hams are really civil to each other, just a few of them (from each side of the equation) that are JERKS and they usually are written up by the OO's and get tossed eventually anyway!
eHam is a good place to P&M without doing it on the air!, so Let er rip good buddy 10-4 (jab-jab-jab) haha
73's de N0KLU, Mike
Rolla, Missouri
NCI-4743
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by RobertKoernerExAE7G on September 25, 2003
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"I have to assume that you favor holding onto old, basic technology, even when newer concepts are available."
Why assume when you can ask?
What you think I think could be influenced by either not understanding what I have written (and/or my sense of humor), simply by the biases built into your personality, your propensity to accept/reject other peoples opinions, or you having a "position" about if "Code" should be dropped.
Your assumptions about what I think are simply erroneous.
73, and Have FUN
Bob
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by KB9YZL on September 25, 2003
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Bob;
Well,………for starters, I suspect that my sense of humor is not that different from your own.
I was being serious on one point: If you enjoy older or arcane technology,……Great! The whole point of a hobby is to enjoy yourself!
In addition to Amateur Radio, I am also into Amateur Astronomy. One of my personal interests is optics, and in pursuit of that, I still grind my own telescope mirrors. Many of the younger Amateur Astronomers I know are into computer controlled sidereal drives, and digital image capture: Most of them regard “walking around the barrel” to be a real “blast from the past!”
For my part, I can appreciate some of the points in favor of digital image capture and processing. (No frostbite, for one!)
The difference between Amateur Astronomy and Ham Radio is that no one gives me any “flak” about my pursuing dated skills, and I don’t discourage them from pursuing more modern concerns. Furthermore, I would never dream of insisting that every new Amateur Astronomer know how to grind and polish a mirror before they achieve the lofty goal of earning my respect!
Ham Radio could take a page out of that book.
BTW: For the previously asked question; “How many cranks does it take to start your Model T?”….. The correct answer is:
Three Extras, and one General to fiddle with the choke.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by CODEBASHER on September 25, 2003
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KB9YZL Kent, I have always had a sideline interest in Astronomy, but no one in my area is, could we talk some time about getting involved, homebrewing my own observatory? I believe my e-mail is in the profile.
If not... n0klu@arrl.net
73's de N0KLU, Mike
Rolla, Missouri
NCI-4743
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by KD7KCP on December 12, 2003
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My fellow Hams, now lets be honest about this whole "keep the code get rid of the code " thing. A lot has been written about the prose and cons of keeping the code some on both sides rather well written, and some not. I myself have been rather sharp tongued on the subject, and I have received a few interesting responses because of it. One ham KB9YVG in a obscene response writes "You think like an old timer.. I learned CW in a three hour seesion when I was around 12. I have no particular in interest in HF. You seem like on of those operators who like to have their daughter (obscene response) when they hit that key. I thought '73 met "please don't do my kid", whoops that must be CB talk." and another response by KG4YJR writes "What a moron". It is obvious to all that the defensive vitriolic responses of the "get rid of the code test "crowd is due to the fact that their argument ,no matter how will crafted, is intellectually dishonest. The truth is (and every one knows this ,both pro and con camps) that some are willing to earn their goal and others are not. You see some think that just because they want something they should get it even if it means cheating (changing the rules). Some of these lazy slothful types will argue in an intellectually dishonest manner that their concern is "saving Ham radio" when in fact they simply lack the desire to spend the energy to pass element one. To these lazy slothful types I ask: Why not be honest? And just say the truth ,come on and repeat after me: "I just don’t want to take the five words a minute CW test, so change the rules just for me!". Sincerely;
slow code general,
KD7KCP
73
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