Internet Survival Tips -- Viruses, Spyware, Hoaxes, etc.
Tim Lewallen (KD5ING)
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October 9, 2003
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In just a few short years, the Internet has become an indispensable service to the civilized world. It is almost another utility along with electricity and water. Unfortunately, along with this newfound treasure are a few snares and traps that can hamper and all together stop your access to all of those Internet resources. You can avoid those traps if you prepare yourself for your Internet expedition.
Computer Viruses:
Computer viruses pre-date the Internet and as such are not really Internet dependent but with the Internet, viruses have really come into their own. With so many computers interconnected to the Internet, it does not take long for a virus to spread across the world. Viruses spread via a variety of different means. Some use your email client to email copies of themselves to everyone in your address book. Some spread directly across the Internet and your network looking for open computers that are setup for file sharing. And yet others infect files on your computer that you end up sending to other users on the Internet.
Today's viruses are multi-vector, meaning they spread though more than one mechanism making things just that much worse. The damage that viruses can cause varies -- some just infect files and spread doing no real damage. Others can open your computer up for other virus infections or for a remote hacker to gain control of your computer. Some can delete files or entire hard drives. There are a few that can even damage the BIOS chip on your motherboard rendering the computer dead in the water with motherboard replacement your only option.
The only good thing about viruses is that they are the most well known of the Internet "gotchas" out there. Most people have heard of computer viruses and are vaguely aware of the threat they represent. However, most people think that they solution is just to load some anti-virus package on their computer and go about their business as usual. This is not the case. Virus software needs to be continuously updated. So far in the month of March alone, 25 new viruses have been discovered. With new viruses being released every day your anti-virus software must be updated to deal with newly discovered threats. Make sure you have your software configured to update its virus definition files on a regular basis. I have my computer looking for updates every morning around 2am and have it do a full scan around 3am. That way the anti-virus activity does not interfere with my daily use of the computer and I always have the latest anti-virus data on my computer. While there are a handful of freeware anti-virus packages, I recommend biting the bullet and buying a commercial package for the support that comes with it. The three big players in this arena are Norton Antivirus, McAfee VirusScan and Trend Micro PC-cillin. Any of these packages should work well for you. Most of these packages also include a firewall program that prevents hackers from gaining entry to your computer over the Internet.
Spyware:
Spyware is a newcomer to the Internet and as such not many people know of it but they are very familiar with the results of having spyware on their system -- the dreaded pop-up window. If you have ever been on the Internet and had numerous windows pop-up on your screen, you many have spyware on your computer. In fact, if you spend any time at all on the Internet you probably have spyware on your computer.
Spyware is software that is installed either automatically by a website or inadvertently by you. You may have received an email that describes an upgrade to your web browser or email program and you end up installing it. You may get a pop-up window on the Internet that looks amazingly like an error message or some other "official" looking notice that you need to install some update or patch in order to hide your computer IP address or similar message. By clicking "OK" on those windows you are agreeing to have their software installed on your computer. Software that watches your actions on the Internet and sends that information off to marketers and advertisers so they can send targeted advertisements to you. This is one source for all that spam that shows up in your email in box. They also watch what you type in looking for keywords so they can target those interests as well. Spyware is also installed along with just about the entire peer to peer file sharing programs out there like Kazaa, Bearshare, Audio Galaxy, etc. If you have any of these or similar programs on your computer, you probably have spyware on your computer.
Apart from being really annoying there are other drawbacks to having spyware on your computer. Most spyware packages cause stability and performance problems on the computers they reside on. If your computer has started slowing down, crashing a lot and the system tray (the row of icons in the lower, right hand corner of the screen) has a lot more icons than it used to, you probably have spyware problems.
The good news is that there are some freeware programs out there that are great at getting rid of these malicious programs. The bad news is that if the spyware was loaded as part of one of the previously mentioned peer-to-peer files sharing programs, those programs will no longer work. There are spyware free peer-to-peer client programs that you can use without risk of spyware infection such as Kazaa Lite.
Hoaxes:
We have all received those emails -- the ones that have been forwarded so many times that 90% of the text of the email is a listing of the email addresses of all the other people that have suffered through the email before you. The email details some kind of program where you get a free Mickey Mouse doll for every 100 people you forward the email to or The American Heart Association will give little Jimmy a free heart transplant if you forward the email to all your friends, etc. Perhaps emails detailing a tax on Internet use, Ollie North discussing Osama years before the 9/11 attack or even computer viruses!
Net hoaxes are rumors that are spread via that Internet that 99% of the time are simply not true. Photographs to further enhance the story sometimes accompany them. They don't delete your hard drive, spy on you or contribute to male pattern baldness. They do however clog up your email inbox and add to the traffic on the Internet. The "jdbgmgr.exe" virus warning can cause minor damage to your computer if you end up following the procedure outlined in the email. There are several sites on the Internet that allow you to look up any suspicious emails that you receive to make sure they are legitimate. If they are not, politely inform the sender with a reply that contains a link to a reference site debunking the hoax. You will have educated a fellow internet user and also stopped a net hoax dead in its tracks!
By being aware of these issues and guarding yourself against them, your time spent on the Internet will be much more productive, efficient and most of all fun!
Helpful Links:
Antivirus Software:
Norton Antivirus:
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/
McAfee VirusScan:
http://www.mcafee-at-home.com/products/virusscan/default.asp?m=1
Trend Micro PC-cillin:
http://www.pc-cillin.com
Spyware:
Spybot -- Search and Destroy:
http://security.kolla.de/
Adaware:
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
Internet Hoaxes:
About.com Urban Legends and Folklore:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/index.htm?once=true&rnk=c1&terms=hoax
Snopes.com:
http://www.snopes2.com/
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by WA4DOU on October 9, 2003
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Please tell me why the Internet is "indispensable"? I've used it and had access to it for several years and there is nothing about it that I couldn't personally live without. I think it has more "entertainment value" than real.
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This is not amateur radio...
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by HFHAM2 on October 9, 2003
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I thought this was an amateur radio forum, not a computer trivia forum. This off-topic posting seems to be getting more frequent. Last week it was someone ranting about "eBay ripoffs on a massive scale" or some such nonsense who then went on to recount one (yes, one) instance of some dummy trying to rip him off.
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by KG4RUL on October 9, 2003
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HFHAM2:
I agree 100% with you. However, lets take it to the max! No articles about anything other than spark gap transmitters and crystal detectors! Also, lets not even mention that spawn of the Devil, "The Telephone"!!
Dennis ;)
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by LARNED on October 9, 2003
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I disagree that computers are not amateur radio. Computers are related to hams; after all, we do use computers for operating in some cases. A lot of us use computers for our day to day needs outside the hobby. I appreciated the tips on viruses and attachments. Let's not have tunnel-vision and decide that this site can ONLY be for ham radio hardware and nothing else. Now and then, a helpful article outside our hobby but part of our life is welcome. Ham radio means more to me than just theory, but people and compassion as well. Why not help one another out? Bill, KA1WHT
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by KC8SBV on October 9, 2003
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Great article, and I don't see why we don't have a place at our common meeting place for off topics, stuff you want to share that isn't Ham radio. Where else should I be browsing?
For me, it is Zonealarm and me against the world. I got nearly 500 hits (pings and such) to my cable connection the other day. You definitely need a firewall. I don't download and install anything that isn't on the up and up, and don't open email attachments, so I don't ever use an anti-virus. But be sure that when someone tells you that you have gotten a virus, check for the hoax first.
If you have one of the always on connections, get Zonealarm, and check your security at www.grc.com, and pick the "Shiels Up" test.
73,
Ed
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by KD5ING on October 9, 2003
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.
I submitted this article in order to educate the "internet using" portion of the amateur radio community on some things to look out for on the internet. I thought this would be useful just from personal experience with other hams. It is here for you because you use the internet.
Is the internet indispensable? For some people, perhaps not. But for society, business and government it is becoming more and more so everyday. New laws and regulations are being passed dealing with the internet, data security and privacy, etc. for business, banking, health care, etc. The government in particular is becoming more and more dependent on the internet for communications and the dissemination of information.
Because of this I feel it is important for us to educate ourselves on the use of the internet as well as sharpen our amateur radio skills for when those connections fail and they need us to get the message through.
Take care,
Tim Lewallen, KD5ING
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by KD5ING on October 9, 2003
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One other thing, if you are one of the lucky ones and are running a Windows based computer, run Windows Update and install any Critical updates available for your operating system.
Some of the newer viruses such as MSBlast and Welchia spread from computer to computer over the network and can crash your computer if you have current antivirus software or can infect your computer if you don't have current antivirus software.
Keep your software and operating system current!
Hope that helps,
Tim Lewallen, KD5ING
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by AA9YU on October 9, 2003
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It's the anti-virus software companies that are responsible for a majority of the viruses released. This ensures you MUST upgrade their software. Just like a four-star general doesn't want peace, so too do the anti-virus companies dislike an internet without viruses. 73.
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by KR4XH on October 9, 2003
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The original poster started the topic, so how can it be "off-topic"?
Considering the infiltration that the personal computer has made into the average radio operator's existence, I feel the article is timely.
The "anti-virus" companies aren't responsible for the proliferation of "worms", "trojans" and viruses that seem to command so much attention these days. However, they're the ones that PROFIT from the cretins that create these things and turn them loose on the general population...
Our "service economy" at work...
73
don
KR4XH
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by W5HTW on October 9, 2003
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Hey LARNED, agree completely. Since I have a HF radio in my Jeep Cherokee, I think I should write an article about changing the fuel pump in the Jeep and troubleshooting the fuel injection system. After all, with a radio in the car, the car is ham radio, is it not? And since my radio is in my house, I could write about repairing the roof and installing the new septic system two years ago.
OK, so that's a bit on the facetious side! And done with humor not anger. But computers are NOT ham radio. If they were, we would already have about 150 million hams in America alone, since everyone with a computer would be a ham radio operator, right? Boy, we'd sure tell 'em something about BPL, huh!
This forum is not ham radio. It is 'about' ham radio. (Frequently.) But I am not using a radio to access it, and I don't need a ham license to do so. All I need, in my case, is a phone line and a computer. There is no "operating" to it. No ham radio hardware required. Just dial and type.
To me, there is a very definite distinction between ham radio and the internet. The internet 'can' supplement ham radio, (but it doesn't have to) though ham radio cannot easily supplement the internet. There are still thousands of hams in the USA alone, who do not even own a computer. Many of them have no desire to do so.
We run amiss when we substitute computer for ham radio and then can't tell the difference.
73
Ed
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by KB4QLZ on October 9, 2003
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Give Microsoft the boot, and learn how to use Linux. Most of your problems will disappear.
Mark - KB4QLZ
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by KB1IVU on October 9, 2003
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The author said this article was based on internet ham radio useage.Can somewhere show me where ham radio or any reference to ham radio is mentioned in this article. This is almost as bad as the code-no code debate.
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by W6EZ on October 9, 2003
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Another excellent site that deals with hoaxes is
http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/
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by KG4JNL on October 9, 2003
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Very informative post.As for the naysayers you are using this forum arnt you? I guess ham radio and computers do go together.Well as my Dad use to say some people would gripe if you hung them with a new rope:)
Steve
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by K0BG on October 9, 2003
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Mr. Lincoln, you are ultimately correct! However, in the last few weeks, I have downloaded at least 4 software programs, numerous schematics, and "fixes" for various problems around the shack, all of which would have taken several weeks via normal avenues.
Whether we like it or not, whether it is REALLY needed or not, the internet has changed out lives forever. It is, in essance, what we make of it. It can be good, bad, and certainly ugly, or it can be a salvation, which has and will continue to be, a means to futher our goal as amateurs in whatever endeaver or facit of the hobby we're into. Long live the internet.
Alan, KØBG
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by RobertKoernerExAE7G on October 9, 2003
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Not related to ham radio.
Been watching the internet spots come in.
Not related to ham radio.
Recently noted my computer freezing up after down loading an update from MS, to increase protection while I’m on line (I like to cruze eBay for ham radio gear).
Not related to ham radio.
One of my main worries is loosing my ham radio log on my computer.
Not related to ham radio.
I like to scan the Elmers forum, to learn from the questions asked.
Not related to ham radio.
I use a “memory keyer” program on my computer to send my call in pile ups.
Not related to ham radio.
To find band openings to DXpedetions, I get the sun spot numbers from the web site I use for DX spots, and use the numbers in a program predicting best times to chase DX.
Not related to ham radio.
One main reason I switched from MAC to Wintel was to run antenna modeling programs.
Not related to ham radio.
Too bad someone doesn’t figure out how to use the computers and the internet for more fun playing radio!
73
Bob
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by KC0KCQ on October 9, 2003
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Man it's hard to believe how many ignorant comments I see in this thread.
Maybe that's what ham radio is really all about. Bitching about how this new technology and that isn't radio and how cool and exclusive our little hobby is.
Lots of big bellies and little minds out there I guess.
73s
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by NE1RD on October 9, 2003
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KD5ING wrote: "One other thing, if you are one of
the lucky ones and are running a Windows based
computer..."
I'm sure you didn't mean to be funny but this made
me laugh out loud. "Lucky ones [who are] running a
Windows based computer"?
Your original post was thoughtful and well done.
[Thanks] But, the problem could be better stated
as "mobile code loaded and executed without your
knowledge or consent in an environment with a
primitive or perhaps nonexistent security model"
(depending on the "vector", as you've defined the
concept).
Your Windows-based machine (that, apparently you
believe lucky to have!) takes code from all sorts
of places and runs it automatically. This was
originally Microsoft's way of deploying dynamic
functionality ... to deliver some smarts with the
data. But, without a valid security model it can
be used for evil as well as good. This arrangement
obviously looks naive now (and looked
naive to many of us when it was introduced so long
ago).
Is all this non-secure mobile code worth it? Sure,
you get some cool stuff once in a while, but you
end up spending a great deal of your valuable time
either fighting viruses, trying to prevent
viruses, or worrying about your insecure platform.
I'd rather not. While you have to go all the way
back to Multics to get something REALLY secure, I
think you'll find the various UNIX flavors out
there pretty solid and secure. LINUX, FreeBSD,
Solaris, and MacOS X stand up pretty well.
And, it isn't the case that "Windows is more
popular so virus writers and script kiddies target
Windows" presuming that the other platforms are
just as vulnerable. A more accurate view might be
that "kids will steal the stuff out of cars that
are left unlocked". Windows is unlocked. Kids, and
virus writers, therefore target Windows.
How does this relate to radio? There is a
synthesis happening now in amateur radio between
computers, ham radio, and the internet. Repeater
controllers are sometimes controlled on the
internet. Software defined radio is being
developed (and that is exciting!) Radio
manufacturers are making firmware updates to their
radios available over the internet to accommodate
new bands (like the 60m band), provide new
features, and install fixes and optimizations to
their interfaces, DSP facilities, and so on.
Logging, callsign lookup, contesting, and awards
have benefited from this synthesis.
There is too much exciting and important in the
future to risk it on this addiction to WIndows.
Hams pride themselves on being technologically
savvy. We pour over the specifications for the
radios we buy and understand what they do and
how they do it. Our test equipment? Same thing.
You wouldn't put up with brain-dead engineering
decisions in your radio; don't put up with it
with your shack's computer, either. There were
a significant number of hams who participated in
a recent ARRL survey that indicated their shack
computer was NOT running Windows. You could be
one of them if you raised your standards just
a little bit.
Compliments on this post encouraged;
flames to /dev/null please. :-)
-- Scott
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by KE4DRN on October 9, 2003
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Thanks for posting the info tim !
We had several computers at our office get the blaster virus and they do not have any email on them, they are test computers setup just to see if they get infected or hacked.
I agree the http://www.grc.com site has good info and you can get take steps to protect your pc for free.
Bring up the task manager, ctrl/alt/del and learn what tasks are running just after you start the pc in windows. If something is there that was not last time you need to look into it. That is how we found the blaster on our company test boxes.
Try the dcombobulator on http://www.grc.com
73 james
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by KR4XH on October 9, 2003
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Scott,
You bring-up many good points. However, the fact the Windows-(version something) seems to be run on the prepondernace of the desktop machines makes it an obvious "target".
I would be running Linux tomorrow if I could find enough of my "mission-critical" applications that would support it. And I've been messing with Linux for almost 6 years...
The problem is with Windows.
The solution is not quite as easy as upgrading to Linux...
73
don KR4XH
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by NE1RD on October 9, 2003
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Don wrote:
> The problem is with Windows.
> The solution is not quite as easy as upgrading to Linux...
I fully agree.
Perhaps I should leave it like this:
"Some who wish to switch platforms can't";
"Some who could/should switch platforms won't".
I think it is everyones best interest to know what
category they fall in!
-- Scott (NE1RD)
PS I'm on MacOS X about 99% of the time and Windows
<version whatever> the other 1% at home. I use the platform
and tools that work best. That's how the split goes for me.
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by KD5HIY on October 9, 2003
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I personally have a very good understanding of internet security and virus protection.
As a virus scanner i use AVG6 by Grisoft. the reason i use AVG is because it's a simple, very good scanner that uses heuristics. I choose not to use Norton and McAfee because they install and run "too Much" in the services menu, which uses more memory from your computer.
www.grisoft.com
The firewall that I use is from Zonealarm. I have had tremendous success from them. You can see the number of attacks against your computer and even see Who is doing it. Zonelabs the maker of Zonealarm had a FREE version, Zonealarms or if your really paraniod, they have pay versions too, Zonealarm plus and the pro version.
www.zonelabs.com
Like i said i have good luck with these so you should give them a try, especially since they are free.
Chris
KD5HIY
73
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by KD5ING on October 9, 2003
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Hey Scott,
Thanks for the feedback. While your definition is certainly more accurate, I didn't want to use "tech speak" to alienate the intended audience.
As far as lucky Windows users, that was definately tongue in cheek! I myself am a native Mac user and use just about all the platforms at work. It is just that the vast majority of computer users out there are part of the Windows conspiracy ;-)
Take care,
Tim Lewallen, KD5ING
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by KG6RIF on October 9, 2003
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geez.
I'm 26. I'm having trouble learning Morse.
Yet I know Virus/Spyware/Hoaxes on the web like the back of my hand. I can instantly detect these types of things.
I'm constantly amazed how many otherwise bright people are very apt to just click the yes button the ActiveX warning in IE 6. I'm consantly amazed how people believe Microsoft would actually email them a 'security update' to their earthlink address.
This is just a general rant from a full time IT worker who loves ham radio but doesn't understand why guys who can do 20 WPM/build their own transceiver can't understand computers!!!!
73s
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by M0YOJ on October 10, 2003
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Hm, a couple of things,
Why on earth are you folks moaning about it being unham related? Have you noticed where you are? On EHAM.NET - the clue is in the name... You're on the internet, doing ham stuff, so its a fair article.
what else was there? oh yeah, linux is the mutts nuts, so there, now you know ;-)
thats it
73's
init 0
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by G5FSD on October 10, 2003
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Good topic.
It's NO LONGER enough just to not click on .exe and other executables of unknown origin.
Just being connected to the internet can leave you vulnerable to 'worms' if your PC is not protected. The first thing to do is try "Shields Up" ( http://grc.com ) - they will test your system and tell you how to improve your security.
a) USE A FIREWALL.. there are free ones such as Sygate's and ZoneAlarm. This helps stop malicious code accessing your PC through your Windows bugs (no version of Windows is perfect... hardly headline news)
b) UPDATE YOUR SYSTEM.. 2000 and XP users should go to www.windowsupdate.com and install the latest service packs and critical updates. It's easy, and free. Downloads can take ages on a dial-up modem, so step A (Firewall) shouldn't be missed. If you've a friend with broadband, you can download things much quicker and take them home on a CDR.
c) VIRUS CHECK.. plenty of free software out there. http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan for example.
d) 'MALWARE' CHECK.. use Spybot to make sure your system has not been affected.
e) Organise your hardrive such that it's easy to make back ups. Don't waste time with software that can be re-installed, but keep your important DATA (documents,pictures,sound files etc) APART from program folders. Organise things so that making a backup CDR of all your data is simple. Do it regularly, or don't moan if it all gets lost. Even if you're fully protected, hard drives CAN fail.
f) Peace of mind.
g) Stay awake.. the next threat probably won't be long coming!
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by ONL10619 on October 10, 2003
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Even though this is an off-topic posting, everyone should use this simple approach:
1) Keep your OS fully patched (thanks, Redmond!)
2) Always use a virus scanner and update often
3) When using a broadband connection: use a firewall
4) Never open mail attachments unless they're from a trusted source.
Even though this is plain common sense, it is surprising how many people (even in the well educated ham community) expose their computers to the dangers of the internet! The above measures are simple, effective and proven.
There's an excellent newsletter regarding all things computer -the LangaList- at http://www.langa.com
73
Glenn ONL10619
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by KD5ING on October 10, 2003
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Wow! Great tips everyone. Thanks for pitching in your experiences as well.
I have one thing to add. I used to tell people if they didn't have a broadband connection they really didn't need to run a firewall. I have since changed my mind.
I work next door to an ISP that services rural dial up customers and they are and have been disconnecting customers that have the MSBlast or Welchia viruses because not only do infected computers cause a lot of extra network traffic, the virus can spread from infected to customers to uninfected customers just because they are connected at the same time (both viruses spread to other computers on the same subnet).
So, it might be in your best interest to protect yourself with a firewall.
Thanks,
Tim Lewallen, KD5ING
PS - Hey Scott, great call sign man!
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by G5FSD on October 10, 2003
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> 3) When using a broadband connection: use a firewall
I got infected on dial-up!
It only took less than 10 minutes for my machine to be overwhelmed and then fall over with "svchost.exe has generated errors" etc. That's what made me wake up and investigate how to fix it and protect myself. I can only be grateful that the couple of worms that got me didn't have destructive payloads. It really is a jungle out there..!
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by K0RGR on October 10, 2003
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Good article - nice to see an explanation that laymen can understand.
As for the 'off topic' comments - today is the anniversary of Sprio T. Agnew's resignation from the Vice Presidency. He labelled his critics "nattering nabobs of discontent". We seem to have a grand collection of nabobs on these web sites.
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by WA9SVD on October 10, 2003
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Just a thought: Is it really "off-topic?"
This IS an Amateur Radio forum, but NONE of us would be here if it wasn't for computers! So Amateur Radio and computers are becoming inextricably entwined.
Given that, it behooves us to protect our computers from damage (electrical, e.g. lightning, surge, etc. AND electronic, such as viruses and other malicious software.)
Another note: just "not opening e-mail attachments" is no longer sufficient to protect from viruses and worms. In the LONG term, anti-virus software (that is kept up-to-date) is CHEAP insurance. If your computer DID get infected, HOW MUCH would it cost (in $$$ AND time) to remove a virus, and repair the damage?
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by HAMSHARK on October 10, 2003
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HFHAM2 Said: "I thought this was an
amateur radio forum, not a computer
trivia forum. This off-topic posting
seems to be getting more frequent . . ."
HFHAM2, You read this post using your computer, not your radio. It belongs here. Go make noise somewhere else.
Rock On!
HAMSHARK
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by WD2AGD on October 10, 2003
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Thanks for the info on spyware. I hope it works so my kids don't have to see ads for penis enlargement remedys anymore. If it works, I'll buy you a beer!
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by HFHAM2 on October 10, 2003
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HAMSHARK said:
>>>HFHAM2, You read this post using your computer, not your radio. It belongs here. Go make noise somewhere else.<<<
FYI: I also used my telephone line to dial-up but I don't want information posted here on how to hang-up on tele-marketers.
And they say amateur radio isn't being dumbed-down...
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by K8ZW on October 10, 2003
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Thanks! Did the trick for me. 73-Mark
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by HAMSHARK on October 10, 2003
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HFHAM2 Said:
<<"FYI: I also used my telephone line to
dial-up but I don't want information
posted here on how to hang-up on
tele-marketers. And they say amateur
radio isn't being dumbed-down... ">>
HFHAM2, Your analogy isn't even close, and your "insult" is amusing. This forum is an entirely appropriate place for intelligent, accurate, and helpful advice on this very serious issue. Computers have become entrenched in ham radio over the last 20 years, to the point of reaching "station accessory" status for many mainstream hams. AE7G's above posting is right on. If you refuse to join the mainstream, crawl back down to the basement and play with your Vibroplex, and leave the rest of us alone.
Rock On!
HAMSHARK
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by HFHAM2 on October 10, 2003
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HAMSHARK in his petulant retort said:
>>"Computers have become entrenched in ham radio over the last 20 years, to the point of reaching "station accessory" status for many mainstream hams.
I think you take too many liberties with your sweeping generalization. What do you know of "the mainstream"?
Actually, like it or not, "the mainstream" in ham radio is 2 meter repeater operation if we go by sheer numbers, and they don't need no stinkin' "station accessories".
Regarding your suggestion that I "crawl back down to the basement and play with my Vibroplex", I'll gladly do so; real hams do code! Meantime, you can go back to your IRLP DX or go look at those advertisements WD2AGD was talking about.
Rock on (!) HAMSHANK
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by KR4XH on October 10, 2003
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The computer has become an indispensible "tool" in the shack... At least for those of us that have gone thru the "learning curve" to utilize it.
Whether for logging, digital modes or signal monitoring... Almost as much as a SWR meter or an antenna tuner.
True, you can live/transmit without an SWR meter or a monitor scope. Or a voltmeter...
It's a "part" of amateur radio. And AE7G is absolutely correct...
73
don
KR4XH
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by KC7YRN on October 10, 2003
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There are a couple of programs widely recommended for detecting and removing spyware. One is called AdAware, the other is Spybot Search & Destroy. I've been using the latter. It raises alarms about some things I wouldn't tell my security consulting clients to worry about. Use with attention and discretion.
Unless you're on an incredibly tight budget, I'd suggest using one of the cheap firewall appliance boxes instead of a software firewall. It protects every computer on your network, it protects every operating system if you multi-boot, and it's pretty hard for a malicious program to turn it off.
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by HAMSHARK on October 10, 2003
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HFHAM2:
Your last reply was priceless! Keep up the good work.
Seriously, dude, computers really are getting entrenched in the ham radio hobby as many of the posters here have already verified. Do you really think that 2-Meter guys don't have computers because they may only operate on 2-Meters? Even a lot of non-ham families own computers, and this trend is most definitely in a steep rise. The posting of this topic, in this forum, was timely and germane. That is the real point here, after all.
Just to set the record straight, I have been doing CW for 35 years and not one of my 300 (more or less) DXCC entities have been worked via IRLP. So, does that mean I am now qualified for the HFHAM-2 "Real Ham" certificate?
As far as the "advertisements" you mentioned, maybe I will check them out after all. I do have to admit that I am somewhat ashamed of my puny little three inches . . . but oh well, diameter isn't everything!
73, and Rock On!
HAMSHARK
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by HAMSHARK on October 10, 2003
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KC7YRN, your points are very well taken. I personally use Ad-Aware and love it. Most users do not seem to know that there is a separate "Ref File Update" application for Ad-Aware, you need to run this application periodically to fetch the latest signature file.
Windows has been shipping with embedded spyware for years. Any freshly-installed MS operating system will contain "Alexa", which is promptly detected and removed by Ad-Aware.
Your recommendation to use a hardware firewall is also right on, I personally use a Netgear NAT Router in front of my home network of various MS and Linux boxes. I strongly recommend that people using this approach change the default password of their router, these defaults are well-known and can be exploited. Most routers require that you make a dedicated serial connection to alter the password, this path is not available to the outside world.
I personally don't care for software firewalls as a primary scheme for inbound protection, but use ZoneAlarmPro for outbound control. Along with a NAT Router, this is a powerful combination.
Of course, frequent virus scans with updated signature files, diligence in browser security settings, and safe email practice are all necessary too.
Rock On!
HAMSHARK
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by HFHAM2 on October 11, 2003
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HAMSHARK said:
>>>Just to set the record straight, I have been doing CW for 35 years and not one of my 300 (more or less) DXCC entities have been worked via IRLP. So, does that mean I am now qualified for the HFHAM-2 "Real Ham" certificate?<<<
I guess so, and for the record, strange as it may seem, I've been designing and developing computer systems professionally for over 20 years so am not exactly a novice on that score. I just don't want anything to do with them in connection with my radio hobby.
HAMSHARK said:
>>>As far as the "advertisements" you mentioned, maybe I will check them out after all. I do have to admit that I am somewhat ashamed of my puny little three inches . . . but oh well, diameter isn't everything!<<<
Well, as they say, "Long and thin gets it in, short and thick does the trick" Hi Hi.
73 DE HFHAM2 ..
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by RFSOAKED on October 11, 2003
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The internet is an essential tool, and i wouldn't be able to do anything on a daily basis without it. To the poster that mentioned he could live without it, here is why i could not live without it:
1. Business, I conduct internet sales, Not eBay although i do use that site as well.
2. Email to family, a lot cheaper than long distance phone calls.
3. Voice Chat to family, again cheaper than using the phone.
4. Research, what a benefit to go online and find schematics and repair info for radios and other gear.
5. Shopping, i live in an area where the nearest decent electronics store is two hours driving time.
6. Work, telecommuting is alive and well.
7. Homework, although my son is not yet proficient with the PC he will use it for this purpose.
8. Childrens learning games, plenty of free childrens game online, such as Noggin and PBS (Sesame Stree)
9. Anything else that i can not do locally, and there is a lot living in a small town.
I conduct 99.9% of my business online, both personal and company, and the only shopping that i actually do locally is groceries and gas, sometimes a few things at the local wally world (wal-mart).
I know that some people say that hurts local business's, well in my case it doesn't make a bit of difference because there is nobody local selling the items i want to buy!
73
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by RFSOAKED on October 11, 2003
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And on another note:
INSTALL ANTIVIRUS PROTECTION!!!
It only takes one unprotected computer to spread something over and over and over until its a big problem. I personally think that anyone using the internet or a computer for that matter without anitvirus protection are part of the problem and should be tracked down just the same as the person starting the attack.
When the blaster worm hit i saw computers infected with it for weeks at a time without anyone attempting to investigate, how sad! When my inbox started getting flooded on a daily basis with the SoBig virus i started calling or emailing everyone that i received it from and ended up with over 100 people needing to get that virus off their computer. For anyone that doesn't know the SoBig virus was a network aware email worm, and it would look for address books and redistribute itself. If a computer on a network became infected every system on the network would become infected in a matter of hours or days without any antivirus protection.
I would also like to point out that i noticed a lot of systems that were not patched against the blaster worm that did not become infected, due to the fact that they were running a firewall, another MUST HAVE item these days.
If your worried about integration of the software just go out and buy a copy of Norton Internet Security, it includes Norton Personal Firewall and Norton Antivirus all in one package.
If you happen to already have an antivirus package but want a firewall there is plenty available, i like Norton myself, but also mention Zone Alarm to many due to the fact that there is a free version available for download. It really does work and make a difference people!
And most importantly after you pay for that software keep it updated. I see many computers infected with virus because Norton wasn't updated or McAffee wasn't updated. I even saw many systems with Norton's auto liveupdate turned off because people didnt want it to use valuable internet bandwidth. Geezz. Well the ended up paying for it though!
73
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by RFSOAKED on October 11, 2003
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PS:
For spyware and other pain in the butt apps, download and run Lavasoft Ad-Aware 6.0 it will find them, i guarantee it, i use it on my systems at home, and i use it on my customers systems.
73
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by HAMSHARK on October 11, 2003
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HFHAM2 Said:
<<<I guess so, and for the record,
strange as it may seem, I've been
designing and developing computer
systems professionally for over
20 years so am not exactly a novice
on that score. I just don't want
anything to do with them in connection
with my radio hobby.>>>
Hi HFHAM2, and thanks. I will apply for my certificate soon. Seriously, though, I understand and appreciate your position on this, and that is fine. You don't have to use your computer as part of your Ham Radio endeavors, but many do. Instead of criticizing the post, why not contribute some of your knowledge and experience to the fray? Who knows, you might just help someone avoid a major disaster, whether they use their computer in the shack or not.
73, and Rock On!
HAMSHARK
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by G5FSD on October 13, 2003
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loads of good advice, how to block popups etc:
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
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by WA2JJH on October 13, 2003
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Bravo Tim!
TNX FER intel on internet scum.
Spyware is number one on my list.
ALEXA AND DOUBLE CLICK are on many peoples computers!
Yet you go to these low lives websites, they try to explain themselfs! They say that all the lawsuits against them will not stand up! They give some slick MADISON AVENUE sell of how legit they are.
Invasion of privacy is invasion of privacy!
However they claim what they are doing is legal, and a good public service.
They spy on what you are doing research for example.
You will then get targeted type specific taylor made spam.
Maybe they are a front for one of the alphabet agencies to get away with this.
The worst time I got hacked was with a video editing system that I stupidly had an internet connection.
A cartoon popped up, and said I was a cheap F--k for downloading a trial version of an antiviral from AOL.
My hard drive then got speed formated. I will never forget that sound! The cartoons just were just quadrouple insult to injury. Called a friend that deals with computer crime. He said do not feel bad, the same group of hack-bastids did some credit card stuff too. They got caught. They are not going to a country club prison. They got sent to a federal lock down for their own safty!
These perps messed up too many computers with their designer hackware.
All skells always get caught when they do damage to microsoft, Adobe, and other companies that have the war chest!
Hackers can now be slapped with homeland security too.
Why dont these hackers put their efforts into ripping off terrorist nations. Some do the right thing
and work for DARPA, instead of prison term.
Yes, in the old days hackers were considered good. They hacked away and helped develope the internet with DARPA. Hacking away was a hard working college kid. The internet was just supposed to be a way so universities could share scientific work. One of the original DARPA scientist about 7 years ago said on TV,
now is the time to go off line! Maybe this scientist was right!
People have become internet addicts. They never leave thier home!
Many hackers do thier dirty work at internet cafe's.
Ironicly a hacker annoyed a gangbanger at an internet cafe in the east village in NYC. The gangbanger was doing some of his routine drug transactions. The hack-bastid was talking to loud about how many P.C.'S will be infected. The hacker was found dead a few weeks later. He was stabbed to death. Nobody really cared if there was a connection. He may have been mugged. The east village used to be the wild west of NYC.
Wish I was there when this hacker was talking too loud. I would have tried to reason with him, while dailing a friend on my cell phone that deals with computer crime.
Sorry for the grizzly NYC SCENE
There are services that will track down hack joints.
They are very costly. The infamous 2600 club always has FED infiltrators. The 2600 club is KEVIN MITWITS
POSTER BOY. KEVIN is trying to get his ham ticket back!
Part of his probation after 5 years of prison had some clause that he was not allowed to be within many feet of a computer! Should kevin get his general ticket back?
It is a pain in the butt, but set your firewall to ultra max! You will be shocked by how many warnings you will get. Some firewalls do a trace to the hackers
hex address. How proactive you get is a tricky legal issue. If you get names, what do you do? Unless they did something federal, you cannot do much. If you visit thier home, they will say you are stalking them.
I know it is a pain in the butt. However it is prudent to back up all your files to CD's. BEtter yet
get one of those 200GIG USB/FIREWIRE EXTERNAL hard drives. You can back up all your computers. A 200gig
external will cost about $300. IMHO worth every red cent!
73 DE MIKE
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by WA2JJH on October 13, 2003
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Would one of you security experts answer this one.
When I have my firewall on ultra high, I get a warning
that somebody with a hotmail account is trying to access my computer.
I tracked down the address. My question is what is this hotmail P.O.S. trying to do?
TNX DE MIKE WA2JJH
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by N1ZHE on October 13, 2003
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In one word, you can avoid most of this - Linux.
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by G5FSD on October 14, 2003
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>by N1ZHE
>In one word, you can avoid most of this - Linux.
yeah, and spend half your life figuring out HOW to setup and use your computer, rather than just getting on with using it. Forget using popular software that you're used to. New groovy hardware? No drivers for it, tough luck.
No thanks. I'd rather keep Winblows patched up, despite it's closed source limitations!
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by KC5GWA on October 14, 2003
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Good article, Tim. One item I have to add to this is very important. Keep up with patches issued by vendors, especially Microsoft. The recent scares of viruses and worms are exploiting vulnerabilities that have existed for a while and patches have been available for some time. Microsoft has a built-in feature for XP that will go out and notify you of patch availability for XP. Other versions of Windows can go out to microsoft and a scan can be performed to determine what patches are needed.
I agree on the added point about Linux. It is a very widely accepted platform in security circles because of built in security features. Granted that the Microsoft programs are not there, but there are similar ones that MS will read and can edit. The new versions are looking more and more like Windows and ease of setup is also becoming more like MS. Apple is on board with UNIX now as their new OS is based on BSD UNIX.
73
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by KD5ING on October 14, 2003
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Yep, I later mentioned the updates for Windows based operating systems. Windows 2000 also has an auto update feature that I use. Another thing to consider, in January 2004 support for Windows 98 goes away and Microsoft will no longer be updating for providing support for that OS. Good reason to upgrade to something else!
Thanks for the advice!
Tim, KD5ING
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by WA2JJH on October 17, 2003
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OK I AGREE, LINEX IS BETTER. It is faster, and less of a target to "HACK-BASTIDS".
It has been a while since I used a CLI op system.
Let me ask a stupid question to you LINEX wizzes.
Remember the only stupid question is one that is not asked!
Can us poor WINDOW SLAVES, install LINEX on our systems. Have WIDOWS(WINDOWS) and LINEX on the same PC?
Use WINDOWS off line. Then use a type OF LINUX ON LINE?
Many of the new computer users do not have a clue to when WINDOWS 3.0 was CLI, and the computer was CLI.
I heard LINEX can be had for free or a small cost.
I think it would be great if people got used to how computer op systems worked in the old days.(pre 1980).
I had an apple II when it first came out.
Would have on have to dual partition the C drive for a dual op system?
TNX FER INFO AND 73
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by WA9SVD on October 21, 2003
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Yes, it certainly IS possible to have Windoze and LINUX on the same computer.
The details WILL be specific to the particular flavor of LINUX you use, but typically you will install LILO, the LINUX Loader. This will allow you to selet the operating system when you first turn on, or reboot the computer.
It's NOT for the faint hearted, though, and it DOES require some knowledge about the actual hardware inside your computer.
(I'm still waiting for the release of "Microsoft Office for LINUX.")
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by WA2JJH on October 21, 2003
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TNX WA9SVD! I was thinking of REDHAT LINEX for my dual operating system computers.
I hope you do not have to wait too long for a linex version of MICROSOFT OFFICE. We all know about microsofts monopolistic ways of doing business!
Spyware, one can download a free version of SPYBOT.
MAN,I could not believe all the SPYWARE SPYBOT had to erase on all of my computers!
I have now set my firewall to ultra high. I now have a choice of which cookies, activeX, and Java apps that will be allowed into my computer.
I can now see why one of the DARPA scientist said 5 years ago, ""NOW IS THE TIME TO GO OFFLINE!""
I do track all attack attemps to the hex address. Use WHO is, then send it to a friend that deals with computer crime.
The internet has also made all of us less social. If you wanted to find something out, you walked to the library. You went to a book store. Book stores used to be good places to pick up woman!
INTERNET-2 is being created as we speak. Mostly fiber optic, more security, faster speeds.
Unfortunitly the average JOE will not be allowed on INTERNET-2.
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by CRAM on January 9, 2004
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G5FSD stated on October 10 2003 that hegot infected on dial-up and got the following message: "svchost.exe has generated errors, an errorlog is created". I'having the same problem. How can I fix this, and how can I prevent this problem in the future?
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