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25 Years From Now

Michael K. Wingfield (W8MW) on October 22, 2003
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25 Years From Now: One Possible Future:

Following exhaustive input from persons concerned about the future of Amateur Radio, a revised version of the FISTS proposal became the basis for new Part 97 regulations made effective in 2004. It was decided only high-quality, technically competent individuals should be licensed; and quality is more important than quantity. Telegraphy testing speeds became 13 wpm for Technician, 20 for General and 35 for Extra, requiring one minute of perfect handwritten copy and demonstration of sending proficiency as well. Written examinations correspond with BS, MS, and PHD curriculum respectively per license class. The prestigious accounting firm Price Waterhouse agreed to monitor and validate testing sessions on the stipulation that examinees agree to a 30 minute presentation on portfolio management.

The FCC license database was finally purged of bad data when Amateur Radio was renamed the Professional Radio Volunteer Service to more accurately reflect the prevailing high standards in the US. It was discovered the database included deceased licensees beyond all estimates. The number of licensees still alive was found to be 28% fewer than indicated by the previous total.

By the end of the first ten-year cycle under new regulations (2004-2013), 61% of existing licensees failed their mandatory retests while 11% chose to return their licenses for cancellation rather than re-sit the test. New licensees entered the ranks at the rate of 13 in the first year, leveling off to a smoothed average of 9 over each of the following years. The median age of licensees reached 76.

Fourteen days each year, major contests stimulated activity on some HF and VHF bands in the US. All other times were declared off-peak. Automated stations (beacons) transmitting high speed Morse code advised interested parties when on-air activity would resume in accordance with the next scheduled contest.

A milestone was reached in 2017 when internet penetration into US Households reached 100%. This allowed for low-cost surveys of all licensees. The Professional Radio Volunteer League (PRVL) headquartered in Oldham, SD posed the question "Do you presently own and operate radio equipment?" A yes response was submitted by 23%. Later it was learned many of the respondents were referring to their Wi-Fi networks. A rephrased question yielded a yes answer from 15%. Analysts determined 11,987 licensees were using their radio privileges for the purpose of communications with others. Some operators expressed dismay over the relatively low numbers and mostly vacant radio spectrum. Persons concerned about the future of the Professional Radio Volunteer Service reminded everyone it's still all about quality and not quantity.

That brings us to the prevailing conditions today in 2028. Medical technology continues to extend life expectancy, but the advances however magnificent, cannot keep pace with the demographic profile of Professional Radio Volunteer Operators, now numbering 2,632 with a median age of 84. The latest survey indicates 4% are active on the air during one or more contest days.

On the international DX scene, the United States is a rare one, prompting great interest in DXpeditions to the US. Until recently, the issue of reciprocal operating permits had not been resolved, as the US is the only country in the world still requiring telegraphy for HF access. The two persons concerned about the future of the Professional Radio Volunteer Service reluctantly agreed to allow operators from other countries access to the HF voice band consisting of15 kHz on 29 MHz. Visitor access to all other HF spectrum, 99 percent CW and 1 percent Data, remains strictly prohibited.

A DXpedition team member asked, "Didn't the Yanks used to have a lot of operators back when they had Amateur Radio?" No one knew.

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25 Years From Now  
by K8LQ on September 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Given the prevailing winds of Amateur Radio, you have a good point Mike. I assume that the 2000+ operators with the median age of 84 would all have a couple of things in common to make it more of a "Brotherhood".
1. snobbery
2. homebrew equipment: ICOM, Yaesu and Kenwood would be out of the radio business
3. dentures
4. bad conversations about failing health
5. noise from BPL
6. 1.2kc SSB bandwidths good communication quality audio
7. Bird feeders for their towers...this was the new FCC initiative of 2004 that made it mandatory birds on migratory stopovers.

My question: Would they go to Dayton or Columbus for a Hamfest or meet at the local Denny's, nearby the rest home???

 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by RobertKoernerExAE7G on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Flagstaff, AZ

Bob

Dam! I'll still be below the median age.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by N8VB on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
This is a good way to get people's BP up.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by K4JSR on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I thought that satires chased nymphs. Or am I confusing this posting with Greek Mythology?
When will all of you know-code/no-code/fan dipolars
learn that George Orwell was correct in "Animal Farm"?
All hams are equal! It is just that some hams are
*MORE* equal than others! :-@
73, Cal K4JSR
 
25 Years From Now  
by RADIOBOB on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Very nice writing. Obviously, the writer, who is Extra class, was able to meet the current requirements. The tongue in cheek here is ??? ham radio is not changing ??? getting a license is to hard ??? we are killing our own hobby ???

Oh !!! I get it now. Lets make becoming a ham radio operator easier. Gee Willie Gosh !!! it's way to hard now. That way we will have more operators and the hobby will survive into the next century. GOT it now.

Sounds like the "leave no kid behind" program. It doesn’t seem to matter if a kid really is not capable of meeting grade standards, we will just twist, turn, and contrive, till they look good on paper. Just get them out of the school system so the national stats look good. Who cares if after 12 years of school if their really only at 9 grade level. Who cares, we got them though, got them out of the system.

Do you agree with that concept ???

Just make it easy. Got it.

Just make it easy to be a ham, because we need more of them. Got it.

The whole ham radio issue has boiled down not to code testing. It's coming down to having to know anything.

Make it easier. It's become the new wave. The new infection that's spreading across all demographics.

What happen to people having to known something, having to prove they we capable.

Gee, most new hams don't even make their first antenna any more. They just go out and buy a G5RV. Hear it after every ham fest. " Ah break, contact", "HOW'S my signal. Picked up a new antenna today at the ham fest. It's a G5RV. Running into a TS - FT - IC Do Everything Rig. SWR seems to be a bit high on the rig. How's my signal. Over" Try and tell them about a few other ideas, make one up, buying antenna books, etc……… and they run off. You can hear them 2 min later doing the same thing to another QSO in progress. On 75 m at nite, it has become a joke.

OH !!! I get it now. We are too hard on the new blood wanting to become hams.

All most hams, who are concerned, want, is to make sure that some degree of general concept, and technical knowledge is retained, to become a Amateur Radio Operator.

What ever happened to having to put some effort into reaching a goal, and learning something while getting to that goal.

For those who feel that the bands are empty, then I hope that you won't mind when I park 2 kc away from you, with a few KW, at nite on 75 m. Not much space there at nite here on the East Coast. That's the way the new breed of ham would do it. Just move right in and start calling C ??? what ever that phrase is, the one they did not have learn. Oh, what the heck, just let them call BREAK, BREAK.

All this does not mean that the ranks of "older", "more tested", hams doesn't also need thinning out. It sure does.

I'd like to bring some younger kids over to the studio A, and let them spend some of their spare time tuning the bands, maybe GIVE them an old shortwave rig, and …………. Listen to what ??? Vulgar fowl mouth speech. Violent sexual connotation's, potty mouth hatred, blasting all forms of religion, ultra right and ultra left radicals. It was not that way 30 - 40 years ago. I can't remember all that crap going on. FYI: I was a young SWL'er at that time, and spent many an hour listing to the ham bands. It just wasn't that way. And Yes, I do push the off button on may a day and nites, these days.

Yeah, Yeah, I know you say that they hear it everyday. Maybe yes, maybe no. But my Grand Kids don't hear it in either their house, or ours. Not that we are lily white, but just not with in their ear shot.

So yes lots of the "old guard" need to get with the program.

BY the way………. Why don't we seem to hear ( copy ) this same type of behavior on CW, PSK, RTTY, AMTOR, ever wonder why ????? …….. but then if you can't copy code how would you know. But it's just does not abound on those modes. Higher level of ham ???? Maybe ???

The program " Ham Radio ", was at one time a proud hobby. At privilege that you earned. Not one that you were just given.

Make it as easy as clipping a box top off the cereal box and sending it to the FCC and it will surely die, fast. That's where it's heading.

FYI: It's really already dead. Being a ham is not a right granted in the "Bill of Rights". There are lots of hobbies, fads, trends, social activities, that are no longer around. Time move on, and today it is moving very fast. 10 - 20 years, and it's history, NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT………. So will a lot of your other hobbies ………..

Sad but true, and we are the problem.

Article writer, nice writing. Even if it was smart ass'ed.

Gonna happen, but not for the tongue and cheek reasons you alluded to.

By the way. You can already get on ham radio, HF bands for free. It's called the CB - 11 meter band. Run as much power as you want. No test. No nothing. Seems to have worked out just fine there for the past 30 years. Anyone can buy a ham radio. No proof needed. Just bootleg. The FCC doesn't really do much if they catch you. By the rig, make up a call, go on any band you like. Simple, and best of all ……………. IT'S EASY.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by HAMFAN on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ok Michael, You're funny mister. Thanks for the laughs. Precisely what I alluded to in my last post/last article. This makes 3 if not 4 articles about the Great 2000's Code Wars on the current article list. Excellent.
Yes sadly this is just what the Key Thumpers [read ham-bible thumpers] want and desire with all their might. Lets turn back the clock a few decades and return to the good 'ol days of ham radio where it took 2 years of hard study and an act of congress to get a learner's permit. Yes that would be a modern, progressive, sense making move indeed.

Well here's one last good poke in yer eye mates:

Re: how we'll be overrun with bad operators and all manner of neer' do wells on HF when the cw req. is dropped.....
Excepting for bootleggers, consider that EVERY SINGLE op who has EVER (EVER meaning the beginnings of ham radio) been busted, ticketed or warned for illegal, improper, dead dog stinkin' behaviour on the HF bands, even up to today, has been a op with a code required ticket.

Drop the code. QSO ya soon on HF voice and in 2028!

73's KE4ENX
 
25 Years From Now  
by W6EZ on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh! It is a joke? Heck, I thought it was for real and it sounded real gude.
 
25 Years From Now  
by KY6R on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What does this have to with Jlo and Ben?
 
25 Years From Now  
by K2LES on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I hope you changed your underwear after writing that one.

25 years from now, chances are you'll be pushing up daisies. Why do hams who are in the autumn years of their lives really care about the future of ham radio?
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W5HTW on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<I hope you changed your underwear after writing that one.

25 years from now, chances are you'll be pushing up daisies. Why do hams who are in the autumn years of their lives really care about the future of ham radio?>

EXACTLY!! I don't, that's for sure! (And darned good thing, too, since caring is a waste of time.) Which is why I say go for test-free radio. Suits me fine! Just don't do it for about three more years. I can hang on that long, by retreating to the place you can't find me, on the CW bands. After that the lazy can finish screwing it up, while I retire to an antenna-restricted community and play monopoly.

ed
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WR8D on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RE RADIOBOB: Nope lets not make it easy. We dont need more of "them". No amateur radio is not dieing or the sky is falling. Anything worth having is worth working for to aquire. Everybody else has had to work for their license class...are you any better than those? It will still be years before anything is done about the code requirement. Stop crying and study the code and get on hf...any 5 year old can do it. I know folks that have over come terrible handycaps to get the 5wpm. These give me attitudes are a slap in the face to those that really wanted to be a ham and over came a handycap to get there. But this is the world of welfare and give me something for nothing. Get off your can and stop crying.

John WR8D:
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KC4ZGK on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Im not sure there is any thing that will increase our numbers or even hold the current level. Here in the Atlanta area the VHF - UHF machines are all but dead even during drive time. I dont really know how high the level of participation is on the HF bands since that would be pretty hard to judge but I would suspect that this is decreasing as well. It seems to me at least that interest particullaly amongst operators licensed in the last 15 years is dying out at a very rapid rate for what reason Im not sure? I for one do not believe that deleting the code requirement will do one thing for the hobby positive or negative. Regards. Ed
 
25 Years From Now  
by KG6AMW on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Clearly your drinking too much coffee and don't have enough to do. Now get outside and rake that yard.

KG6AMW
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WB2WIK on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article!

Just two words:

Fan dipole.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W2IRT on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
While I don't think we'll ever need to go back to engineering-level-of-difficulty exams, we have to focus on operation and skills much more than we do now.

I just talked to a a friend of mine, an active 11-meter operator who wanted to join the ranks of the Licensed. He wrote and passed his Tech on the first try, after a few weeks of studying, but wasn't truly up to speed on the basics of operating. This wasn't a question of CW or not, just the simple fact that reading a couple of books and doing a few practice tests isn't the substitute for good Elmering, well-taught classes and most importantly, *listening*. Each of these is far more important than mastering a skill that one will never or rarely use.

As for my friend (e-mail friend), well, I'm Elmering him at every opportunity, clearing up misconceptions, providing him with guidance, etc, but it's the lack of community participation (i.e. the Amateur Community) that I think is a problem.

I'd personally like to see it mandatory that perspective licensees take a few sessions of classroom learning from a published curriculum that includes how to build a safe and effective station for HF operation (including 6M for techs), likely pitfalls that new operators will face and how to overcome them, etc.

I'd also like to see the end to the published question and answer pool. Just these two changes would increase the quality of our ranks without much muss of fuss. No more memorizing answers for 3 or 4 nights ought to cure a lot of headaches.

Personally, I want to see new hams learn how to build a station properly, how to implement an effective grounding scheme, understand what to do when someone says "you're overdeviating" or "you have some RF getting in on your signal" or how to courteously work a pileup or a weekly club net on a repeater.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by G5FSD on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>by WR8D
>Anything worth having is worth working for to aquire.

It's also worth just as much if it's a bit easier to acquire. The value of something does NOT depend of the ease of acquisition. So let's not confuse the issue with emotive illogic, please.

It's perfectly possible to contribute to the hobby without knowing Morse. WRC-2003 agreed.

73



 
Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by WB9GKZ on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hey guys, remember what ham radio was like "25 years
ago"? The year, 1978.

We were hearing all the same crappy doom-and-gloom that we hear now regarding code, licensing, dumming down, subband assignments, instant licensing....blah, blah, blah.

The world is changing.

Get on the train and ride with it. It's gonna be a heck of a ride as the stodgy old-farts die off (many of them already have done so) and a new wave of fresh ideas inhabit this hobby as Old Code fades away.

Pat WB9GKZ
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by AE4X on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know why I torture myself everyday looking at these posts. If this is the representation of hams in this hobby than I don't want any part. Fortunately, I know better. You're all SO NEGATIVE it kills me.
Ham radio is and always will be a hobby for the "elite few." Very few laypersons find radio communication interesting just like they don't find antique collecting, car restoration, bowling or railroading too enthralling. It's a small, select few number, generally speaking, of people who find something interesting and enjoy the hobby.
If CW is ever eliminated I seriously doubt there will be masses jumping over our "borders" to invade the HF bands. But I do expect some newer operators and, PLEASE, new, younger blood.
CB hasn't grown exponentially over the years. Again, it's a select few who like operating on 27 mhz. There are, also, a lot of good CB'ers out there who would make great hams. My Dad was one of them. He never could get the code but he loved to listen to ham radio and talk on CB. I used to love to listen to him on the CB...a true gentleman.
The cost of a new radio, antenna, etc. is also prohibitive to many. That's why I say "elite". It doesn't mean you have to be rich but you do have to invest a certain amount of time and money to enjoy what you like.
Secondly, all this garbage about the "all in one" transceiver or "rice box." Folks, that is the future. Like it or not.
I, for one, find them highly intuitive, technological pieces of gear. If you want to dip your plates, peak your grids and change tubes every so often go for it. Technology marches on, though. Radio manufacturers change with the times. I love to see what's the horizon for gear.
I suppose you "bucked" the end of the 8 track, too.
Let me say this...EVERYTIME I have a QSO on the air it's also different, new and refreshing. There are so many good hams out there, old and new.
I am young by ham radio standards (32 y/o) but I've enjoyed the hobby for almost 20 years. I intend to enjoy it for another 20 years times 2 or 3, God willing.
I wonder why so many out there are negative about everything this hobby offers. New Yaesu radio? Ah, it stinks..no 6 meters. Or, oh, it has 6 meters..poor selectivity/sensitivity. Echolink? It's not ham radio!
Perhaps one of the reasons so many of you complain about no activity on the bands is because you're all complaining on eham.net.
This website was designed to foster amateur radio and it's many activities NOT to be a Jerry Springer free for all.
If some of you act like you do with your spouses and kids like you do on these posting sites I could only imagine what your like to live with. Must be PURE JOY.
Excuse me while I enjoy the ham bands and QSO with some positive hams out there who, by the way, I think represent the real spectrum of radio operators in this hobby.
73, ....I think.
 
RE: Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by AD6WL on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To W8MW, the original author.

YOU ARE A TROLL!

None of what YOU wrote is in the FISTS proposal. The FISTS proposal gives No-Code Techs the Tech+/Novice portions of the bands with the Tech+/Novice privileges plus Digital privileges in those bands with very limited phone privileges. That is WITHOUT passing the CODE!

General would still require 5wpm and only the Extra would require 12wpm. Testing would be made harder to memorize the answers and no automatic same-day retesting.

So, the smarter ham will see thru your little TROLL POSTING and see what is really in the FISTS proposal. It has a little something for everyone. No-Code techs get limited HF w/CW, Digital and Phone. Extras get the 12wpm. It is a true compromise, also known as a Win-Win situation.
 
25 Years From Now  
by W9JCM on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like a plan to me...... If radio ever went that route then hey I don't really care its only a hobby to "me". I don't need ham radio to survive. Like I have said many many times there is more to life than playing radio.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by K1OU on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, Mike. AD6WL thinks you are a troll. I hope you can live with yourself.
 
RE: The Sky is Falling!  
by W9WHE on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!



A quote from that eminent philosopher, Chicken Little, seems appropriate:


The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
 
RE: Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by KT8K on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting that in 1978 we had about 450,000 licensed hams in the US, and we are now more than 200,000 ABOVE that. I don't think the prognosis for "no code" ham radio is dire.

BUT ... the challenges to our bands continue to increase, partly due to the Bush administration's (FCC's) actions, which have intensified the usual commercial attacks.

SO I guess we should continue to elmer, test, promote, write letters to congress, and just plain Be Involved in making our hobby the great and highly diverse fun that it is.
I've been contacting my representatives at all levels, active in club affairs, elmering, and you should be too.
Hope to C U all on the air soon. 73 de kt8k - Tim
 
RE: Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by K1OU on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah, and the code requirement obviously kept WA4D, Herbie Schoenbaum, Big Al, and Porkbutt off the air, didn't it?
 
RE: Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by AD6WL on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>>>by K1OU on October 22, 2003
"Wow, Mike. AD6WL thinks you are a troll. I hope you can live with yourself."<<<<

Yes, that is what I called him. If he had an actual point to make he should have made comments about the actual FISTS proposal and not mention the FISTS proposal and then pull his own remarks out of his rear end. That seems to be where he talks from.

Everything that was in his original post were just things he dreamed up in his head to support his TROLLING. He did not post one single fact. Perhaps he doesn’t have the mental capacity to write an article about what is in the real FISTS petition, or maybe he is just TROLLING. You tell me which it is.
 
RE: Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by K1OU on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
And name calling enhances your credibility how?
 
RE: Look Back: 25 Years Ago  
by TUBEGUY on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
SCORE: K1OU 1--- AD6WL 0 Good rant!!!!
 
RE: The Slippery Slope of Ham Radio  
by AG4RQ on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
These are the phases that ham radio will go through on the slippery slope down to the level of 11 meters:

1. It is too hard to learn code. No-code licensing of all classes.
2. It is too hard to learn electronics and radio theory. Easier tests.
3. It is still too hard to learn electronics and radio theory. No test. Just send in signed app with fee.
4. Cost of radio equipment too prohibitive. Start welfare system to provide grants and vouchers to people who are too lazy to work, so that they can get the same equipment that hard-working hams own.
5. Licensing fee too prohibitive. Incorporate fee vouchers into the welfare system.
6. Ham radio is no longer a challange and is no longer fun. Cell phones and computers for everybody. This can also be incorporated into the welfare system.

Through all of this, the organization which started out as No code International will evolve into:

1. No Test International
2. No cost International
3. No Fee International
4. No fun International

and finally No Nothing Internatonal. Or should I say Know-Nothing International.
 
25 Years From Now  
by W7WV on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What I want to know is if they got the people off 10 meters (and others) that don't belong there in your "future".
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by AG4RQ on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"What I want to know is if they got the people off 10 meters (and others) that don't belong there in your 'future'."

They sure did. all the hams were kicked off 10 and 12m. In the "future", the Citizen's Band extends from 24.000 MHz all the way through 30.000 MHz. It is still referred to 11 meters because the name stuck. The Galaxy and Cobra radios of the future are 600 channels with a 10 KHz "slider" and transmit 200W, all FCC type-accepted, of course. Also in the "future", BPL was done away with after angry hoardes of CBers rioted, burned most of the cities and caused thousands of deaths.

Gee, I hope I don't cause another panic like War of The Worlds did. :-)
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WT0A on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I just KNEW Oldham, SD would make the big time. It was always overshadowed by Carthage, Lake Preston and Manchester.
WT0A, formerly of Desmet,SD.
 
25 Years From Now  
by W5UGD on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know whether to laugh or to shake in my boots =)

73,

John / W5UGD
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KA4KOE on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Naw, you've got it all wrong on your history; read "Brave New Ham World" by yours truly.

:)

P
 
25 Years From Now  
by AC5CH on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hahahah, good article!

Scary thing is, they're probably lots of folks out there that would like to see it that way...
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W8MW on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>Wow, Mike. AD6WL thinks you are a troll. I hope you >can live with yourself.

Thanks Jerry. Name calling by kids out in the playground is a terrible thing. But I think I can handle it.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by AD6WL on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To the original author,
None of what YOU wrote is in the FISTS proposal. Everything in your article is a total fabrication and none of it is based on facts.

FACT: The FISTS proposal gives No-Code Techs the Tech+/Novice portions of the bands with the Tech+/Novice privileges plus Digital privileges in those bands with very limited phone privileges. That is WITHOUT passing the CODE!

FACT: Generals would still require 5wpm and only the Extra would require 12wpm. Testing would be made harder to memorize the answers and no same-day retesting.

Now, I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Why did you write this article, and what did you plan to achieve by writing this article?
2. There are over 3,000 words in your article yet there is NOT ONE fact presented. Why did you not include any facts in your article?
 
25 Years From Now  
by K9NYO on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"Your old role is rapidly aging
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a changing."

-- Bob Dylan


Never more true words were spoken.

It doesn't matter if you agree with the test questions, the code speed or the tower heights...things change, and sometimes it's beyond our control.

Personally, I'm going to spend as much time on-air as I can until the whole shooting match is up. I'm surprised I'm even taking the time to post this instead of just doing what we do--on the radio.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by AG4RQ on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To AD6WL,

It is obvious why the author wrote this article. It is a warped satire on what the future of ham radio in the US will be like if we don’t give in to the NCI mentality, like the small handful of European countries did. The author is way off base with most of what he says. The way I interpreted the article, the FISTS proposal was implemented in 2004. Then, as the years progressed, the standards became even more rigid in favor of the pro-coders. The author is trying to tell us that there will be very few hams in the US unless we do away with code testing and make it so easy to become a ham that a moron with the mentality of a three-year-old would be able to pass the test.

To the author W8MW,

Aren’t you carrying things just a bit to the extreme? By the way, the US, if we keep code testing, will not be the last country in the world to keep CW testing. I can tell you which countries will never drop code testing. All the communist countries, such as China, Viet Nam, North Korea, Cuba, along with several of the former communist countries – most notably Russia. I also believe that any of the former Soviet Republics, along with the former satellite states of the defunct Iron Curtain will not drop code testing. I base this assessment from page 9 of “The Art And Skill Of Radiotelegraphy” by William G. Pierpont, N0HFF. I really don't think that more than a small handful of countries will drop code testing. At present, it seems like they're falling like dominos. The rate at which counties drop code testing will tail off. I would say that any countries that will drop code testing will do so within the first year (by 7/2004). When the smoke clears, I think it will be evident that most countries will keep code testing.

Here is a copy and paste of page 9 (if viewing the PDF file, or page 7 if viewing the DOC file):

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Is the Radiotelegraph Code Obsolete?


Outsiders and some of those looking into Amateur Radio often ask this question: "Isn't the Morse code obsolete? Hasn't modern technology displaced it?"

Back in 1912 nobody balked at learning the code: it was simple then -- if you didn't know the code you couldn't even listen and understand, much less communicate, by wireless.

But today it refuses to lie down and die. Why? Not only old timers, but many newcomers have found that it is a skill worth learning, a pleasure just as any other skill. There is a real sense of pleasure and achievement in communicating this way. Some find it an excellent means of escape, a way to forget immediate work-a-day problems and completely absorb one's attention.

There is practical value also. It can get a message though where other methods fail. Operators have long known that Morse code signals penetrate distance, and go through interference and static where voice signals can't hack it. This is why low power (QRP) enthusiasts find that it is far superior to voice. Besides this, the equipment required, both transmitting and receiving, is much simpler and smaller, uses less power, and in an emergency can often be built up from simple, available parts.

These factors did not escape the Russian communists. They were also deeply impressed with the reliability, simplicity and lower cost of equipment for code communication and ease in maintaining it. (In the same line of thinking, their military radio gear has all been vacuum tube type to avoid potential damage due to radiation.) Therefore, through the years they have popularized and promoted learning the Morse code and developing skill in its use. It was included among their civilian "sports" activities. Contests and prizes were offered to the best and fastest operators. This would assure them of a pool of skilled, high-speed operators in event of war. Several years ago a couple of American soldiers who were amateurs were taken captive from a ship which was too close to North Korean shores. They were surprised to find that very many civilians in that country readily understood code.

In recent years our own military seem to have awakened to all this, and have re-begun to train some personnel for Morse code operation. In addition, they have realized that Morse is an effective means of communicating during periods when the enemy is jamming. There are other advantages also. It uses the next to narrowest signal bandwidth (PSK31 uses less but requires a computer) , which for amateur use means more channels are available within a band. It has much superior signal-to-noise ratio, and in addition, an operator can soon learn to separate (mentally "filter") signals, which are very close together by differences in pitch, speed and style of sending.

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RE: The Slippery Slope of Ham Radio  
by WA9SVD on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
How long will it take before somebody organizes NLI (No License International?)

OOPS, I forgot. They already exist below 28.300 MHz.(and elsewhere.) No need for an organization.
 
25 Years From Now  
by KD1S on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
My guess is that amateur radio will be non-existent within the next ten years.

Why do I say this? Because the alure of making long distance contacts has largely been replaced by a global network called the Internet.

Second - amateur radio gear is NOT cheap. If for example one wishes to work the amateur sats, you need antennae and rotors that are quite pricey.

Sure, standard UHF/VHF is relatively inexpensive but it has a certain drawback too. With more and more commercial services popping up every day the bandwidth that amateur services occupy is more and more attractive. It will go to the highest bidder and having spent all of our money on gear we won't have much left to out-bid corporate interests.

And even though I'm an extra who had to do the 20WPM code, I can't really see the point in this day and age.

Some friends and I have noticed that the 2m and 70cm band here in Rhode Island is completely dead. How much longer before salivating corporate types see this?

So there are my ideas on why amateur radio will cease to exist in the near term.
 
RE: The Slippery Slope of Ham Radio  
by K8LQ on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Mike,
How dare you upset AD6WL. You have not presented any facts in your article, you are a bad man you poopy head!

I have two questions.

1. Do you in fact operate on 75 meters at 3840 or is that someone else bootleggling your illegal call?

2. Do you smoke cigarettes? ..if you do... your an even badder man than we all thought.

Please QSY immediately for a spanking!
 
25 Years From Now  
by K4PIT on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I don't see the future this way. All the CBers invaded the ham bands when they eliminated the code requirement for the tech. class. There must be, like, billions of us now.

Most people I come into contact with don't even know what amateur radio is. Over the last five years I have succeeded at getting one freind licensed.

After a couple of weeks of study, I passed the 5wpm code test with near perfect copy; that was the last time I used cw. I do think it is a neat mode and I plan to learn it all over again and use it one day, even if its when I retire in 25-30 years, even if it isn't mandatory.

73 k4pit
 
25 Years From Now  
by KB1IVU on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

"What I want to know is if they got the people off 10 meters (and others) that don't belong there in your 'future'."

They sure did. all the hams were kicked off 10 and 12m. In the "future", the Citizen's Band extends from 24.000 MHz all the way through 30.000 MHz. It is still referred to 11 meters because the name stuck. The Galaxy and Cobra radios of the future are 600 channels with a 10 KHz "slider" and transmit 200W, all FCC type-accepted, of course. Also in the "future", BPL was done away with after angry hoardes of CBers rioted, burned most of the cities and caused thousands of deaths.

Gee, I hope I don't cause another panic like War of The Worlds did. :-)****** If this happens the riots won't last long...those truck driving CBers are probably in as bad health as the hams I saw at the last hamfest....
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by K4JF on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What in the world does the Internet have to do with making long distance contacts??? It's no different than the cell phone - both borrowing technology from ham radio, but both going in completely different directions.

I would hope my grandsons will have ham radio 25 years from now - but there are too many HAMS trying to destroy it... I am not hopeful. They will probably never have the thrill of contacting a Pitcairn Island, or of watching the changes when the iron curtain fell - or the future equivalents. Sad - when we have so much to offer the world.....
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by TECH2003 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
But, I don't want to learn the code. It's too hard for me. I tried for 30 minutes last week and I just can't learn it. So, please eliminate the code. I did however, memorize the answers for the tech exam so I am a ham and once code is eliminated I will be able to become a General by memerizing some more answers.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W4CNG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Satire is just that. For the most of you who cannot take a joke, this must be replayed again next year on 4-1-2004! I could write about my opinion as to what will happen in the next 25 years. But the original author here did it first. Good article to read and think about "The Potential Versions of what would really happen". You have got to read everything into and out of the post. I can see lots of different avenues, but those I will keep to myself. Too many folks taking this seriously. Read it for the "Author's Fiction" that it may or may not become.
I live in a reality world, as I hope most of the rest of you also do.
Steve W4CNG
 
25 Years From Now  
by W4CNG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Want to hear reality now? Go listen to the Extra Class segments of the CW portion of 40 and 20 meters. I have never heard a worse set of CW OPS that I have real trouble copying, much less than 3 different CW Copy computer programs in my computer. My daughter is better co-ordinated than 50% of what I hear there. Very sloppy CW, and if any were using a Keyer, the manufacturer should be shot for producing such junk. My TT-Jupiter has a very good keyer, and sends excellent CW. We need to test SENDING CW before Receiving CW. That would cull the wheat from the chaff easily. I do not operate CW that much, but appreciate listening to FISTS that send well.
Steve W4CNG
 
25 Years From Now  
by KE2IV on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Michael,

As you have now witnessed you cannot present issues, whether directly or via parody to this crowd.

This website is like the old corner store at Main and Elm where the "in crowd" controls the "group think" and decides what's "cool".

Problem, of course, as you realized, is that time marches on.

I was pleasantly surprised to read in the latest ARRL newsletter that more than half of the respondents to the FCC's inquiry re: code v. no-code were in favor of the latter.

[BTW: to the anti-League crowd - cram it - the ARRL has decided NOT to take a position - Yes, likely, as not, so as to prevent dividing its membership!!!-- get over it!]

I have been a ham for nearly 40 years. I've been through most of the licensing regimes that folks have been able to devise (including sitting for all of my test through Advance AT the FCC's office).

I now hold an Extra Class license and value this hobby like no one else except someone who was once a 12 year old could do!

I've worked most modes and bands and love this "activity" (too important to call a 'hobby').

And, quite frankly, I am sick and fu-k-ng tired of reading the crap that these self-appointed CW forever clowns put up on this website!

ENOUGH!

CW is over.

No one except hams use it.

Keep it as an artifact? Yes! Without a doubt.

But as a requirement?

Get Real!!
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Here’s reality. Listen to ALL the morons on 75meters. They can't even remember how to send SOS in CW but they can check into the pig farmers net or just QRM the pig farmers net. Not one single meaningful qso there.

Here’s reality. The old conditional class license. Yeah, you remember the ones who never really earned the license they just had a friend do their paperwork and they got a license.

More reality. Hams who couldn't hack the Extra or Advanced exams back then and had to wait for the new easy Extra license before upgrading but yet they brag about how long they have been in and how much they know.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W3DCG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
USA=DX, Cool!
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W3DCG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
USA=DX, Cool!
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W3DCG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
USA=DX, Cool!
 
25 Years From Now  
by W3DCG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
USA=DX, Cool!
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What does this refresh button do?
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What does this refresh button do?
 
25 Years From Now  
by W3DCG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
USA will be DX?
Cool!
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What does this refresh button do?
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KR4XH on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
A nicely written piece of satire...

But, what if "Judgement Day" doesn't happen? The hobby/service/whatever might just continue to evolve/upgrade/downgrade as it has for the last 75 or so years...

Difficult to see, the future is...


73


don
KR4XH
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
by KE2IV on October 22, 2003
I was pleasantly surprised to read in the latest ARRL newsletter that more than half of the respondents to the FCC's inquiry re: code v. no-code were in favor of the latter

I don’t recall reading that in the ARRL newsletter, but my eyes are getting tired. Maybe you can cut and paste what was In the ARRL newsletter for me, but please don’t post the part about the Canadians wanting to do away with the code. I’m only interested in the USA.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KD5WIH on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
This trend of "dumbing down" amateur radio is very alarming. It's proceeding at a rapid rate.

Back when I stared studying for my Technician license, the questions were very difficult. I just took an on-line practice exam and found it much easier. I then tried a practice exam for the General and found it was much easier too!

Even the code has gotten easier. When I stared studying the code, I had to learn characters that I had never heard before. Now, to pass a code test I would only need to copy 25 characters in a row. The code test is too predictable; for example after "RST" the test always contains three numbers.

Some of the questions on the written exam can be memorized. What will become of ham radio now that people will memorize the answers to questions about the rules and the frequency limits of the bands?

*** Like the original poster, I am kidding! But my point is that the sky is not falling. It has not become as easy to get a license as it appears to those who have had experience as an Amateur operator. Part of the reason it appears so simple is that we have had the experience and have used many of the things we have learned in studying for our tests.

Many are critical that the question pool is public and can be memorized. I don't see that as a bad thing. I would like to see more questions on the rules and would be happy to know all hams had memorized them.

I would like to encourage anyone who has an interest in radio to study and become a ham. Anyone who has an interest in HF should also study Morse code. There are few who are as "code challenged" as I, but I recently passed and upgraded. Code testing will eventually be eliminated, but that may be many months away.

That the tests are "too simple", "can be memorized" or "are outdated" is not a threat to amateur radio. Real threats to amateur radio are BPL, loss of spectrum and, most importantly, the attitude of a vocal minority of hams towards potential newcomers.

73

KD5WIH
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W4CNG on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
For Old Fart 13. I had a Novice, Conditional, Technician, Commerical 1st Class, GROL, General, and now Extra. I have already forgotten more than you still know, and can still re-test and pass all my license tests, what about YOU? You just need to sit back and enjoy the view as the last dog on the sled team.
Steve W4CNG
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WT0A on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Some of you are taking this all way too serious.
I read an article that said to find inner peace you should first finish what you've started. Today I fished a bottle of Bicardi, a bottle of red win, a fifth of jack daniels, my Prozac, some valium, a small box of chcolats and some cheese. You can't immagine how good I feel.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, not sure why you are getin so personal. I was just talking in genralalities but I must have struck a nerve with you for some reason. Hell, I'm sorry that you are so offended by my comments.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh and Steve, another thing. I have forgotten more than I still know.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KA0MR on October 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Very good essay. Found it thought provoking and a refreshing change of a lot of posts of late.

Bob KAΨMR
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W5AU on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I LIKE the CW Requirements..... I could go along
with that for sure !!!!

73
 
25 Years From Now  
by W6NNABE on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Just call me KB1KKC. I'm a partial no-coder -- I say make General open to whoever, but keep the code on Extra. But I just got my callsign two days ago, so what do I know?

I do know this: I'd rather be reading a tech discussion than this code/no-code crap over and over again. I don't want to hear hours and hours of debate on something that's been beaten into the ground; no one is ever going to yield on it. I'd be far more interested in how to build, say, a 2m transceiver that's not too much more complex than a Pixie2.

Can we get some tech threads in here? Some mutual community Elmering instead of idiotic flamewars? Or I swear I'm going to just buy a CB and use my callsign as a handle.

73,
KB1KKC
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KC7MM on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Thanks for the tongue-in-cheek article. I loved it. Also enjoyed W4CNG's comment to one of the fellows who is afraid to give his call to "sit back and enjoy the view as the last sled dog" or something to that effect. Heck of a view! I howled with laughter at that one!

On a more serious note, I really like the way the Brits train their prospective hams, in a classroom room with hands-on experience. They actually get to build radio equipment while learning the theory. What a novel idea! We should follow their example. Which means we should all step back from our keyboards and get busy actually doing somthing that would promote ham radio, instead of dissing each other. Oh, that's right, the U.K. dropped the code requirement. What was I thinking???

We are living in the very best of times for radio equipment and development. Just think of all the new digital modes and digital radios! We will continue to draw in people (mostly male geeks) who get a kick out of bouncing HF signals around the world, or who like to work where the real action is, the non-CW required world above HF.

Love code, hate the code requirement. If CW, why not spark gap??

Dale KC7MM
Extra Class for 20 years
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KE2IV on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Dear OLDFART13,

(Now doesn't this already sound stupid)

I will not go to the grief of clipping and pasting readily available notices from the League's website for an unidentified person.

If you are a ham, you know how to get to the ARRL's website.

And you also know how to find me via any of the search engines on these websites.

SO, IN OTHER WORDS...YOU'RE THE PROBLEM...WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK...DO YOU EVEN HAVE A HAM LICENSE?

YOU ARE IRRELEVANT.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KF4KSE on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"Im not sure there is any thing that will increase our numbers or even hold the current level. Here in the Atlanta area the VHF - UHF machines are all but dead even during drive time. I dont really know how high the level of participation is on the HF bands since that would be pretty hard to judge but I would suspect that this is decreasing as well. It seems to me at least that interest particullaly amongst operators licensed in the last 15 years is dying out at a very rapid rate for what reason Im not sure? I for one do not believe that deleting the code requirement will do one thing for the hobby positive or negative. Regards. Ed "

Ed, It's Sad I Know.
The Lack Of Hearing Any Activity On The Atlanta Vhf and Uhf Repeaters Is A Result Of The Type Of People That "POLICE" These Frequencies. It Seems To Me That These Repeater Police Not Only Enforce The FCC Rules But Also Enforce What They Feel Like Is "Proper Operating Procedure." Any Conversation Outside Of "What Time Is The Club Picnic?" And "I'm Having Surgery Again." Is Strongly Prohibited. You Do Get A Good Bit Of Who And Who Has Not Paid Their Dues And Why Club Meeting Attendance Is Down Again. Stick To HF...But Then Again Mr. WB6X&# Is Talking About His Prostate On 80 Meters.... Good Luck
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by RFSOAKED on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Did anyone else here see the info about the little addon for your radio, its here, a all in one digital addon for any radio. I guess we should just start buying them, then the old farts using analog signals can kiss my ass, cause i will be on digital HF SSB talking to the other modern day hams.

Has good potential for 2m and 6m SSB as well, although at least on those bands there isnt the jackasses to deal with.

As you can tell i had yet another frustrating evening on HF, hell, even a General class licensee gets bitched at these days, and i passed the test when it was still 13wpm, so i am not a low-code general you dumbass know it alls.

73
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by RFSOAKED on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
PS:

The digital conversion device i am referring to is in the latest issue of QST. Wire it to the mike jack on your radio, and run an audio line from the ext speaker jack to it and your done. That and rewiring your favorite mic for it as well.

73
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by G5FSD on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
> But, I don't want to learn the code. It's too hard
> for me... I just can't learn it. So, please
> eliminate the code. I did however, memorize the
> answers for the tech exam

memorise answers : bad
memorise code : good

nice logic!
 
25 Years From Now  
by AF0H on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
All of the bickering and colorful name calling here is exactly why I became a ham and left 11-meters. Now it's here, as well as on hf (75-meters). Why did I move? Why take a test, follow procedures, have an enforced radio service? If this is becoming no better than CB, then YES - Ham Radio does have a gloomy future! We, as a group, need to straighten-up and work together for the positive future of amateur radio. The way we're going, it'll be no better than 11-meters in the very near future. If you don't believe this, listen to 75-meters more often!

73 de
af0h


cw is good.
cw is good.
cw is good.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WR8D on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RE AF0H: Well most of those that you left 11 meters to get away from have followed you to the hambands now. 75 meters has always had a few weirdo's but nothing like now and its especially gotten worse in the last couple of years. You dont even have to know these people though..i can just scan up and down the band and pick them out. The best thing to do is get in with a good group of folks and get to know everyone. Then come back nite after nite and enjoy radio on 75. I might suggest checking out 3.875.00. There's a good mix of old and new hams there and you will be made to feel welcome. The cb types even try to qrm just like they did on 11 meters. I cant understand why anyone would do all that studying to get a license and then want to act like they did on 11 meters. Maybe their sewer is somehow mixing with their drinking water.

73
John WR8D
 
25 Years From Now  
by W5JON on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To AD6WL. Just a couple suggestions:

1. You have now said the same thing four(4)times. Trust me you made your point.

2. Get a sense of humor.

3. Get a life, it's a hobby.

To everyone else:

Pick any HF band, any night, and you will be able to count on one hand the number of CW QSO's. Maybe all the "keep CW folks" should shutup and keyup.

We should be busy trying to figure ways to get the young into this hobby, and not use CW to "filter" them out.

And yes, as Extra, licensed for 44 years, with all five of my family licensed, I think I am qualified to have an opinion.




 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by AD6WL on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by W5JON
To AD6WL. "Just a couple suggestions:
1. You have now said the same thing four(4)times. Trust me you made your point.
2. Get a sense of humor.
3. Get a life, it's a hobby.
To everyone else:
Pick any HF band, any night, and you will be able to count on one hand the number of CW QSO's. Maybe all the "keep CW folks" should shutup and keyup.
We should be busy trying to figure ways to get the young into this hobby, and not use CW to "filter" them out."<<<<<

1. I made only one general comment and the other two were directed towards other members of the forum in response to their direct comments to me.
2. The original author tried to make a point using satire but it lacked any real substance hence no point was really made.
3. I do have a life. Over 21 years In the Marine Corps (still active duty). I have a wife, son, and granddaughter. I coach soccer and am involved in many community activities. I am a VE and I help to teach ham radio and introduce it to people in the community, both young and old. I do, however, try to get on the air a few times a week and make some QSOs. I regularly use CW, RTTY and Phone.

Also, I was on 40m CW last night and could hear over 5 QSO in a small 6K portion of the band. I even had to use my 250Hz filter to be able to have a QSO because there was so much activity, and this was on a weeknight not during a contest.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by AD6WL on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>>by K1OU on October 22, 2003
"And name calling enhances your credibility how?"<<<<<

You have made a good point. I immediately made the comment that I did. It was indeed emotionally based and not well thought out. I apologize to the original author and anyone else who may have been offended as my comments were offensive and out of line. I will make this my last comment on the subject unless any direct comments are made to me that require a reply.

TU ES 73
Jim, AD6WL

 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KC7MM on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Jim, Semper Fi!

Anyone who has the grit to appologize here on eHam deserves everyones thanks and respect. Good example.


Dale KC7MM
ex-HM2, FMSS, Camp LeJuene, NC 1967
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KC7MM on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Jim, Semper Fi!

Anyone who has the grit to appologize here on eHam deserves everyones thanks and respect. Good example.


Dale KC7MM
ex-HM2, FMSS, Camp LeJuene, NC 1967
 
25 Years From Now  
by WA5BHR on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
As for the tech test I do find it way too easy to pass but being well trained in electornics field by a 2year tech school I can see my advantage there. For all the dum cbers most of them have ham licenses now or as soon as code was droped from tech in years past.I know most from sw Pa did. I would bs with them from time to time and with in a year or two the chanels I would be on most of the time where dead other than skip or splash from ch6.
For me 10 or 11 years ago a math teacher of mine in high school got me in to ham radio but finaly im going to take my test in 8 days and hopefuly get a 100% on it.
As for getting rid of code all together I think is a bad idea. Maby its not used much but it might just keep that nimrod off the band your talking on.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WA9SVD on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Today I fished a bottle of Bicardi, a
bottle of red win, a fifth of jack daniels, my Prozac, some valium, a small box of chcolats and some cheese. You can't
immagine how good I feel.
----------------------------------------

After all that, I'm surprised you can feel anything!
Remember, moderation is good. (As long as you don't over do it.)
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KC7MM on October 23, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Why do people continue to think that code is going to suddenly go away just because people are no longer tested for receiving it? Where is it stated definatively that the CW portion of the HF bands will suddenly shrink? The logic behind such comments eludes me.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by K1OU on October 24, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
It's a hobby. Let's have fun! And help when we need to help....
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W8MW on October 24, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>>by K1OU on October 22, 2003
"And name calling enhances your credibility how?"<<<<<

You have made a good point. I immediately made the comment that I did. It was indeed emotionally based and not well thought out. I apologize to the original author and anyone else who may have been offended as my comments were offensive and out of line. I will make this my last comment on the subject unless any direct comments are made to me that require a reply.

TU ES 73
Jim, AD6WL


Jim, thank you. I agree with KC7MM that it takes a big man to make a public apology.

Now let me give you the courtesy of responding to your questions. The article is of course totally without fact. Yes, it did originate from whatever body organ or orifice a warped essay comes from. Most of the material was gleened from posts here on eHam that suggest things like filtering out the unworthy, making testing more difficult, revamping the VE system, re-testing amateurs to confirm they are still qualified and the belief that CB on the ham bands is a certainty if code testing is eliminated. A letter to the editor in QST said amateurs are too important to be called amateurs which led to the name Professional Radio Volunteer Service. I referred to a "revised version" of the FISTS proposal only because the part about increasing Extra code speed conveniently fueled the farce.

I took a whole lot of editorial liberty in pushing all these concepts far beyond reason to demonstrate that it's possible to screw things up just as badly by making amateur radio too tight as could happen on the other extreme by making amateur radio too loose.

Getting back to reality, both W2IRT and KC7MM hit the nail on the head IMHO with their remarks about classroom study and hands-on experience. This ought to be a requirement before an individual qualifies for taking an entry level and perhaps intermediate level amateur exam. I support this because our present system of licensing doesn't train anybody how to do anything (regardless of license class) and at the same time does not carry forward any of amateur radio's operating conventions or traditions.

Elmers were part of the mix in years past and I think they played a much greater role in getting us up to speed than any formal examination ever did. Now it's possible for someone who has never been face to face with an amateur radio operator and has never seen a ham radio station to achieve the highest level of license and form all their impressions of amateur radio from a distance.

Call it "forced Elmering" to ensure that every candidate has exposure to real world amateur radio. From the get-go let's get 'em thinking like hams and acting like hams. Then we're poised for amateur radio's best possible future.

73, Mike W8MW
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by KC0ODY on October 24, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"Getting back to reality, both W2IRT and KC7MM hit the nail on the head IMHO with their remarks about classroom study and hands-on experience. This ought to be a requirement before an individual qualifies for taking an entry level and perhaps intermediate level amateur exam."

I wholeheartedly support this approach as well-- even in the absence of making any other changes to the current license requirements. I know that I, for one, would have learned a whole lot more by having some hands-on experiences in a classroom setting. Right now, we are expecting prospective hams to learn something by studying the manuals, without the benefits of practical experience. I think it's particularly important to go over the ins and outs of on-the-air practices and how to put together a first station. These are items that the new ham will have to know right away.

Frankly, the study guides, even when studied thoroughly, don't teach you much about the hands-on stuff that is immediately required when getting on the air. It's one thing to memorize band limits for a particular license class; another thing entirely to learn how to hook up an antenna safely and correctly, how to safely handle electrical equipment, and the correct way of handling oneself during QSOs. There is much more to know, of course, but why not give hams in training a chance to do something other than read and answer test questions?

I doubt, however, that such mandatory class requirements could be instituted. I don't think there would be enough interested longtimers in the hobby that would desire to teach classes. It's a time committment than many may not be able to make. Elmering is good, but some may not have access to one.

It would be an interesting thing to see if one could make work a short "get started in ham radio" course as a community education type of deal. Community education represents a true bargain, and the classes are generally taught by enthusiastic folks who love what they do.
 
25 Years From Now  
by W9TM on October 24, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
The real issue with ham radio today isn't cw testing but rather the resistance of both new and experienced amateurs to move ahead with technology. So many consider the essence of the hobby to be endless yaking using the various old fashioned, outdated voice modes. What a shame. Hams by the tens of thousands arguing over giving up one antique, cw, in order to open up access to another outdated mode, voice operation.

 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WA9SVD on October 24, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
NAH! 25 years from now, FISTS and NCI will STILL be argueing Know Code vs. No Code, and the ARRL will say they are about to make a decision about which side to support when they hear from the members' survey...
73

(Tongue firmly in cheek) WA9SVD
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WR8D on October 25, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Re KE2IV..."no one except hams use the code" .

Well you cant ship out as a merchant marine unless you take and pass an extensive code test. Yes boys and girls most of you have been fed a pile of crap and you believe every word of it. I just sat in on a commercial test today. Evidently its a coast guard requirement also. You see when those guys go all over the world on their ships they dont want some dumbass no coder in the radio rooms. Uncle sam is still using code too. Evidently the world wide ham community has not made much of an impression on the powers that be through the world. The guys that repair and operate the ship board rigs are required to pass a very hard code test which is nothing compaired to the rest of the material they have to know. Most of us are spouting off crap about subjects we dont know the first thing about.

But to read some of this crap you'd think most of us hold phd's:

73
John WR8D
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WR8D on October 25, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W4CNG Steve you just dont know...maybe a few of those guys have stubs for hands. Or maybe one of them is sending with his foot because he has no arms. I've worked them like i described.

73
John WR8D
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by 9V1VV on October 25, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"Well you cant ship out as a merchant marine unless you take and pass an extensive code test. Yes boys and girls most of you have been fed a pile of "

John / WR8D ; what particular planet are you inhabiting? I suggest you check your facts before ranting. The GMDSS (Global Marine Distress and Safety System) was ratified in 1992 and has been implimented in all countries including the USA. This means Morse is as dead as a dodo at sea. I know what I am talking about : I was a merchant marine R/O until 1986 and have followed the demise of Morse at sea closely. The R/O is also obsolete and all shipboard communications are handled by the navigation officers who do a 2-week GMDSS operator's course as part of their ticket. They use mostly Inmarsat C, a text based data format, which even a trained monkey could master.


73
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W8MW on October 26, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
That's true, some of the best radiomen in history worked aboard ships and their jobs are now obsolete. All of that morse code proficiency and all of that technical know how didn't stand a chance against new technologies. The once prestigious role of shipboard Radio Officer has been replaced with automated systems. Smart equipment with built in diagnostics contains redundancy or shows a non technical person which module to pull out and replace.

If you owned a fleet of ocean going vessels you would say maritime communications are now at unprecedented levels of capability and reliability. If you were a RO out of a job, you might not have such a happy opinion about the way things changed. A good friend got phased out and I hated to see that happen to him.

When we discuss what needs to happen in amateur radio we really can't point to any other radio service, which is effectively what KE2IV said.

73, Mike W8MW
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W5HTW on October 26, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Twenty-five years from now?

"Mom, what is that big piece of metal in the corner of the basement?" Little Frankie asked, as his Mom pushed the botton on the kitchen computer and the freshly-buttered toast slid onto the plate.

"Son, that was your father's. I think they called it 'ham radio'" She tasted the toast. Not quite the way she liked it. She turned to the computer and at a wave of her fingertip, the software rewrote its compilation, changing the range of the TB (Toast Burner.)

"What's that?" Frankie asked.

"Well, it was a sort of box you could talk into, and people far away would hear you." Mom frowns, trying to remember more details. She had never been interested in what Frank did for his 'hobby' in that dark corner. Now she wished she had paid more attention.

"You mean like my wrist watch?" He pointed at the small, black object on his left arm.

"Well, yes, but not nearly as sophisticated. All you could do was talk. You couldn't teleport your sister to her boyfriend's, the way you did last week. And that, by the way, was a naughty thing for you to do. I don't want her over there learning about RAM-Ekstay, and CD-Crack, and those other things the kids are into today."

"Was it like a radio? We heard about those in history class. There used to be things called radio stations and they actually sent music out, and news and things like that."

Mom paused, reflecting. "Yes, Frankie, I think that might be what it was. A radio. I don't think he played music on it. I never heard any.

"Well, yes, maybe I did, come to think of it. Some sort of foreign music, maybe from Israilistine. Or Iraqyeria. I can't recall. Odd stuff."

"Was there any good US Flemenco music on it? Like "Caramba, America, Venemos Con Dios, por La Presidente?"

"No, honey, I don't know that song." Mom smiled. "I think mostly he just heard voices on it."

"Heard voices? I was told that was not a good thing."

"No, apparently it wasn't." Mom sighed wistfully. "Well, he's gone now, and that old metal box hasn't been dusted off in fifteen years or so. I think it worked on BPL or something that is no longer around. Like ham radio. It's all gone now, along with your father."

"Ham radio?" Frankie sounded thoughtful. "I wish I had lived back then. Then I could have heard voices, too."

Ed
 
25 Years From Now  
by K0RGR on October 26, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
You forgot an important part of the history, however. In 2005, while attempting to prune a fan dipole, Wilbert Scruggins, W0DXCC, inadvertently discovered the Shorted Stub Dynamic Duckie, or, 'SSDD' for short. The SSDD, when used as a replacement for an HT duckie antenna, slowed the velocity of emitted 2 meter waves such that they would now be reflected 100% by the E-F layers of the ionosphere.

Fearing an explosion of two meter activity, the collapse of all HF operation, moral degradation and tooth decay, the organization previously known as 'FISTS' (since renamed 'FINGER') petitioned FCC to outlaw the SSDD immediately. The Commission enacted a win-win compromise where only MCW could be used to work stations beyond a radius of 150 miles using SSDD.

Clever Technicians soon adapted their Palm Pilots to send and receive CW over their HT's. By June, 2006, several hundred Techs had achieved DXCC.

 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WU1T on October 27, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
As far as I am concerned, keeping the code requirement is like making teenagers learn how to hand-crank a Model T in order to get their driver's license. It's a relic that bears no direct relationship to your ability to be a good amateur radio operator. And to the "ham radio will become a big CB" doomsayers: what freaking decade are you living in, man? Are you still watching Dukes of Hazzard reruns or something? Last time I tuned across 11 meters, there was hardly any activity. The kids have moved on to IM, and the truckers have cell phones and GPS. CB is dead, the "CB threat" is dead, a few freebanders here and there is not the end of the world.

What I ask when you speculate about what ham radio will be like in 25 years is: Will you be around in 25 years? I'm 27, so I sure will be. I passed 5, 13 and 20 WPM in my sleep, but always wondered why I was doing it. It's time for the code to go.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W8MW on October 27, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>What I ask when you speculate about what ham radio will be like in 25 years is: Will you be around in 25 years?

In my case the odds are against it. But actual mileage does vary.

>I'm 27, so I sure will be. I passed 5, 13 and 20 WPM in my sleep, but always wondered why I was doing it. It's time for the code to go.

I'm not sure how apparant it is on these threads, but a good percentage of the people in favor of change are older ops who realize every so often amateur radio needs to reinvent itself.

As a 27 year old amateur, do you think removing code testing will make amateur radio more appealing to people in your age group?

73, Mike W8MW

 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by WU1T on October 28, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
> As a 27 year old amateur, do you think removing code > testing will make amateur radio more appealing to
> people in your age group?

Yes, I think the elimination of code testing will make amateur radio more appealing to my peers. I know plenty of people who were interested in ham radio but turned off by the code. When the code is gone, the challenge will then become a public relations one; that is, making people aware that amateur radio is not just dits and dahs. You don't know how many times I've had to explain to people that I can actually _talk_ (with my voice) on my radio. People still have this image in their head of a guy hunched over a code key. How can amateur radio move beyond this image? I wish I had an answer for that.
 
25 Years From Now  
by N3TTN on October 28, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RADIOBOB is the real TROLL....anybody who doesn't have the stones to post their call (if they are even a licensed ham) does not deserve to post here.
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by W5HTW on October 28, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WU1T

<Last time I tuned across 11 meters, there was hardly any activity. The kids have moved on to IM, and the truckers have cell phones and GPS. CB is dead, the "CB threat" is dead, a few freebanders here and there is not the end of the world.>

Musta been a bad day at Black Rock. Or you need a better receiver/antenna. Even when 10 meters is "dead" CB is cranking away. Then again, maybe your definition of "hardly any activity" is a lot different from mine. Or perhaps the "last time" you listened was at 3 AM.

I agree with you that CB has been on the decline for a number of years, but it is still quite active. And the radio companies are still making and selling CB radios and antennas, even Radio Shack the Cell Phone Specialist. I never, ever see a truck without at least one, and often three or more, CB antennas. If there is one out there, it hasn't come through here in years.

Whether or not CB constitutes a threat to ham radio is opinion. I would guess the biggest threat to ham radio is ham radio, far and above CB or BPL. But the standard CB channels are quite well populated, as are the freeband channels above (and often below, down to 24.5 MHZ) and into 28 MHZ. During daylight hours there is virtually no time at all I can not hear considerable activity on 27 MHZ. But again, perhaps it's a matter of semantics? At any rate, I can't listen long to that garbage so I tune away after three or four minutes to try to find something rating at least semi-intelligent.

As to truckers and CB? Well that really isn't our business here, but there is plenty of trucker activity that I hear, not just on Channel 19 but several channels, as well as in the low end of 28 MHZ. One thing I have noticed is the "ham trucker channel" of 14302.5 seems awfully quiet these days. I never hear any truckers on there. Have they gone back to CB with their new Rangers, Unidens, and other so-called ham radios? Or have they moved? Or did they lose interest in using ham radio due to too many rules? I don't know the answer to that one, but I no longer hear them there except once in a while, though I used to hear them constantly.

It is also true a lot of the truckers are now on Nextel, but I doubt any of them are using GPS in place of CB! Most of the GPS units are company-installed, and are used for business only, such as dispatching or repair.

You are also correct that the kids have gone to IM. That may signal bad news for ham radio, but it is a sign of the times. "Radio" is antique. Kids don't listen to radio; they play CDs, MP3s, and games on their PDAs, photo cell phones, etc. And more gadgets are on the way, to vie for their attention. And will get it.

They don't even listen to rock FM anymore, which is why that has become a playground for the 25-34 adult, and is mostly automated. They don't want to "play radio." To them FRS is just a semi-private cell phone they don't have to pay for.

I don't give a darn 'what' happens to, with, for, against or in, CB. Not my playground. It only bothers me in one of two ways. One, when they encroach on ham frequencies. Two, when they actually get ham licenses but continue to operate as though they are still on CB, instead of playing OUR game. When you join a game in progress, you play it the way it is being played,instead of coming in and announcing you are going to change it to be like what you just left.

In both cases, these are relatively rare, though the later is growing. Beyond those two points, I honestly don't care if the FCC lets them run 5 KW legally and work DX, "skip" or their Momma's brogans.

ed
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by OLDFART13 on October 29, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
25 years from now NTI will be petitioning the FCC that the spelling of your name correctly on the license application is too much work and demanding that correct spelling of your own name does not prove that you are a good operator.
 
25 Years From Now  
by KB7LYM on October 29, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I see it a different way.
Amateur Hamradio licenses 25 years from now
are available for 300 bonus point at your
local Safeway Grocery chain. CW is no longer required.
Its an obsolete disturbance of the old forefathers.
VHF and UHF are still in. Out is HF. A relic from the past. A few QSL cards are still displayed at the Smitsonian Institute. Radios and Antenna tuners are out. Its all programmed into your cell phone and NO buttons to push ! Vox control. The new material invented by the long past Marx Brothers Glassofix makes the radio ( if you might call it that ) so strong that an Atomic blast hardly put a dent into it.
Examinations are out. FCC is replaced by the Vladimar Skavinsky Institute. Callsigns are a thing of the past.
Sending out of band is permitted at 10 cent for every hour on the air. And Folks you will get Green Stamps !

I wish you well

Frank KB7LYM
 
RE: 25 Years From Now  
by K8LQ on November 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K0RGR:
"Fearing an explosion of two meter activity, the collapse of all HF operation, moral degradation and tooth decay, the organization previously known as 'FISTS' (since renamed 'FINGER') petitioned FCC to outlaw the SSDD immediately"

Where is the ARRL in this Mess.....they should BREAK that Damn FINGER!!!!!
 
25 Years From Now  
by 2E1SDX on December 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
25 years from now...

bill W2ONV will still be buggering about with his EQ settings and telling folk they are live in the studio in downtown saddlebag.

walt N1QS nudges his vfo by mistake and everyone gets chance to use 14.240 for a split second.

the code/no code debate will still be going on.












 
25 Years From Now  
by WA2JJH on March 22, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
1.5khz SSB. 2.5 FM. All rigs will have a CW voice decoder in them!

An eithernet connector will be located right next to the SO-239. This will serve two purposes. If that DX gets lost in QRM or QSB the rig will switch over to eithernet.

Software defined radio's will rule. DSP really be able to pull an unreadable signal out to an arm chair copy.

All bands above 440 WILL be lost to commercial interest.

A wrist radio with video and a link to your high power base will be the hottest thing.

a TS-520 will sell for $10,000 as a collectors radio!


 
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