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Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920

Mark Jones (G0MGX) on December 5, 2003
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Datamodes on the Yaesu FT-920

Introduction

Having recently purchased a Yaesu FT-920 I have spent some time getting the radio to function as required in the dedicated data mode. I had great difficulty getting the full documented functionality of the radio and the data port to function correctly and following many Internet searches and some correspondence with Yaesu technical support in the UK I have finally managed to get the radio functioning as desired.

To save others the pain I have been through, I have taken this opportunity to document my findings.

Also documented is the PC-Radio interface I have constructed for which I make little or no claim of originality!

Radio Set up

Quite simply put, the manual that came with the radio in some areas is at best misleading, and in others actually wrong. Lets start with the basics. When the radio is in data mode there are two actual modes available. One is "DATA LSB" where both the DATA and LSB indicators are showing, and the other "DATA USB" where both the DATA and USB indicators are showing.

What the manual doesn't tell you is that "DATA LSB" is FSK RTTY only, and "DATA USB" is AFSK RTTY and also suitable for use on all sound card based digital modes. On the back of the radio is an "AFSK-FSK" switch. All this switch does is route pin one of the data port either to the audio circuitry when in "AFSK" or to the tone generator when in "FSK".

So, for most of us this switch needs to be in "AFSK" mode and the radio in "DATA USB". The actual sideband that the radio is in is controlled by menu item U-46. For typical RTTY operation, this needs to be set to "2125-L", this sets the carrier injection up for an offset of 2.125 kHz in a pseudo-LSB mode, so that the transceiver actually is operating in LSB mode even though the display still indicates "DATA USB". Conversely setting menu item U-46 to "2125-U" will put the radio in USB mode.

It would appear that many digimode operators have experienced problems trying to run the FT-920 in true Data mode. Reports I have seen include "I used the Yaesu Data port on the original design but had to disconnect the data in line and move it to the Yaesu phone patch in jack. I discovered that the data port is only functional in the data mode (not in standard modes like USB and LSB) and the data mode adds information to the data in line, which causes problems."

It is worth noting at this point that the audio in via the data port is only active when the radio is in Data mode. However, the use of the data port has a number of advantages over using the mic socket or "phone patch" connections, here are some of the best:

  1. The mic socket is not active in data mode, so you don't need to plug the mic back in every time you wish to operate phone and rip it out again when you go back onto digimodes. The mic gain control can be left set for phone use.

  2. There is also no risk at all of transmitting in data modes with the speech processor switched on -- go on we've all done it -- it's not active.

  3. In DATA mode the Narrow "CW" filter is active when the narrow button is pressed. This is not available in true SSB modes. In QRM type conditions on PSK or RTTY this is very valuable. You tune the signal in, hit the narrow button and then wind the shift control until the signal is loud and clear. What QRM?

Radio PC Interface

I wanted to build an interface for the Radio to PC that would work on all sound card based digimodes, but it seemed a useful feature to add a keyboard CW facility via the Comm port DTR line with PTT for all modes utilising the RTS line. A search of the web located the following useful site:

From here there is a link to KC7DS's web site where a suitable interface can be found:

I originally built this design as documented, but found a few problems setting sound levels low enough on the PC to make the controls on the interface useful, and the TX monitor as built was very distorted. So the design below is based on KC7DH's interface with modifications by myself. As stated earlier the circuit included below is by no means original -- but it works just fine.

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The interface has been constructed in a standard way using veroboard and a housed in a case from Maplin.

The inclusion of variable controls for the TX and RX audio levels is a very useful feature as you do not need to enter the PC sound adjustment software every time you change from one mode to another or from one software package to another. You can simply make notes as to where the controls need to be and adjust them on the bench.

SW1 was included to enable the manual switching of the TX control from the radio off. I have found that my PC seems to randomly flip the RTS and DTR lines of the Comm port during boot. This allows me to ensure that the happy Microsoft "Welcome to Windows" sound is not transmitted on 20-meters!


Interface construction


Interface as installed in my Shack

Happy soldering to all you FT-920 owners!

Mark Jones (G0MGX)

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Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by KD7KGX on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article... but I have noticed with PSK31, the soundcard volume needs to vary slightly depending on the audio frequency. What's good for low IMD at one audio offset, i.e., 800 Hz above the bottom of the spectrum, either underdrives or overdrives the rig at a different audio offset.

Still in all, depending on the sensitivity of the volume control, this would be easier to adjust on-the-fly than most soundcard volume controls.
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by W8JI on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
It's very refreshing to see a nice technical non-personal article. I hope this sets a trend with future articles.

I'd like to offer one very important suggestion. It is absolutely required we NEVER connect audio line grounds to grounds on any other equipment. It should always be a single point ground in the audio input of the radio.

This important rule is often overlooked in audio interfaces, probably because of sheer blind luck or people just not knowing they have a problem.

PSK interfaces, as with any other type of unbalanced interface between two separate pieces of gear that have internal paths to ground for audio lines should ALWAYS have isolation transformers.

Without those isolation transformers, even a few millivolts of AC potential difference between the chassis will show up as needless noise and hum on audio input to the transmitter.

For example, the high level audio lines of my station are distributed between four panels with headphone jacks and switches. When I connect all the grounds together, there is a very clear "hum" in headphones even though each piece of gear ties together with a 4" wide copper flashing buss that runs just below the radios. I also can not record sound files in the computer without adding hum when I don't have 1:1 audio isolation transformers.

The solution is every radio has an isolation transformer on the audio output, and there is only ONE ground point on every audio line. The computer sound card input has a pair of audio transformers on a small PC board, and the UNgrounded input of those transformers is distributed around the room.

The result is noise and hum-free when audio isolation transformers are used, but everything hums when a ground loop is added (and I have a well-grounded station).

Since this audio hum and noise causes QRM to others, and does NOT generally show up on displays in a way that other people understand how to identify, I suspect meany people with hum or noise never even get reports of such. It is a case of not knowing.

On 160 meters, when the PSK was foolishly put in a weak signal operating area for SSB and CW (1838kHz) about 50% of the stations I heard operating PSK had multiple spurious signals that caused QRM to CW and SSB operation. While some of these signals were related to harmonic distortion (which does not show up in normal waterfall IMD displays), a significant number were hum and noise related.

It is good engineering practice to use audio isolation transformers in unbalanced to unbalanced interfaces. Even companies like MFJ use them in every PSK interface. Mountain West is the same. You can bet if they weren't absolutely necessary, MFJ (at least) would leave them out.

Please, add isolation transformers on the interface and DO NOT common ground the audio lines at any point whith any power leads or chassis. Even radio manufacturers do NOT ground microphone grounds except right at the audio board in most radios!

73 Tom
 
Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by OH3KAV on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks to Mark for explaining the settings
for '920. The Operating Manual is not very
thorough at this point. Anyhow, the interface
circuit raised some thoughts:

Many other designs for soundcard interfaces have
included a ground loop isolated audio lines to avoid
problems caused by different potentials in the radio
and in the computer. Usually this is done with a
600/600 isolation transformer for the RX and RT audio
and a opto-isolation for the PTT/CW-keying lines.
So, this makes me wonder why the isolation was
not included in this circuit?

Few examples of other soundcard interfaces:
http://sysgem.decus.ch/hb9drv/Interfaces.pdf
http://www.qsl.net/wm2u/interface.html
http://members.aol.com/wa8lmf/ham/tonekeyer.htm

73 de Ari OH3KAV / OH7KA
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by KG4PZZ on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent article.

I myself own an FT-920, and need to build an interface for it so that I can run the digital modes via the soundcard.

I'll probably steal some of the features of this and add some of my own which weren't included.

One thing I would like to know is where you located that handsome case! It looks nice, a lot better than some of the homebrew stuff I've seen. Sure, it's the functionality that counts, but sometimes looking nice doesn't hurt, either. Wow... matching knobs, even! Talk about high-class homebrew, hihi.

I would have to agree about the isolation transformer. I've tried connecting the soundcard of my computer and my FT-920 to record SSB and thought (thought) about trying to hook them together straight for just PSK-31 -- wrong.

All in all, I'm glad to see an excellent article about an excellent transciever. Avoiding the normal topics of discussion will hopefully keep the trolls down, hihi.

Fred
KG4PZZ
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by G0MGX on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hi All

Glad there are no flames (yet), issolation transformers are a good idea, also you can get opto-isolation devices that work well too.

The case came from Maplin in the UK about 8 pounds sterling... No idea where you would source in the US.

I like my homebrew to look good, even if the birdsnest inside is a complete mess!

73's

Mark. G0MGX
 
Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by K2TL on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I read your article with great interest, as I have been required to use the phone patch input in order to use AFSK with my 920. When I used the Data in port, I found strange things happening on PSK. Other stations said they could not fully decode my text.. many characters where gibberrish even with a very strong and clear signal. When I switched to the phone patch input, all is well.
I'm not sure what I did wrong but I will try it again and see what happens.
Now, I just need the time to pull it all apart!
K2TL
 
Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by K2TL on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
One other thing..I use MixW for all control of the FT-920 via the serial port. No need for any kind of interface, other than an isolation transformer between the rig and the audio out line from the soundcard. I love it! I don't own stock in MixW, so I'm not pushing it for my own purposes. But the rig control feature with the FT-920 is superb and flawless! So simple to set up, only takes seconds. Best investment I made in Ham Radio, other than the FT-920 itself!
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by VE3TMT on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Very well written article.

I don't own a 920 anymore, but when I did I ran all my digital mode programs with MixW. I don't own stock in the company either but it is a fantastic program. Rig control was straight forward. I have never used isolation transformers and have never had any hum whatsoever, until I hooked the 850 back up again. Unplugging the line out from the laptop verified my suspicions. I put 1000->600 ohm transformer in line and the hum comletely disappeared.

VE3TMT Max
 
Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by NA6DF on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I've been using (in professional broadcast biz) some very nice audio transformers by Ebtech ( http://www.ebtechaudio.com/products.htm ) I use both the "Hum Eliminator" model as well as the "Line Level Shifter" great, quality stuff that would lend itself well to these applications. I purchase them from my broadcast supplier, Broadcast Supply Worldwide. www.bswonline.com .

73, ya'll... NA6DF
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by W3DCG on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Wonderful! I don't have or have plans on obtaining a 920- and I'm thinking, it's a beauty!
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by W8JI on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Mark,

We cannot find audio opto-isolation devices for a reasonable price. A system with the speed and linearity required is too costly.

The best way by far is an audio transformer.

I think you are confusing control line isolators, that are not actually needed anyway, with audio line isolation.

73 Tom
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by AA4PB on December 5, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I might add that there is no practical benefit to using expensive professional audio transformers. The frequency range needed for amateur applications is so limited (approx 500 to 2500 Hz) that even an inexpensive radio shack coupling transformer will work fine. The only thing to watch out for is to keep it away from strong magnetic fields (i.e. a power transformer) if it doesn't have a mu-metal shield.
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by OH3KAV on December 6, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hi,
the isolation transformers suitable for soundcard interface can be found from old scrapped modems. Another possible source are stores selling car audio equipment, they may carry item called "Ground Loop Isolator", a small box containing two transformers. These are available for few euros or $s.

According to N9ART's article in Nov '00 QST, Radio Shack in U.S. is one possible source for suitable transformers.

73 de Ari OH3KAV / OH7KA
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by W8JI on December 6, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
AA4PB is right. There is no need at all for expensive transformers.

I use transformers from Mouser for my audio lines to headphones becuase I needed higher levels and lower impedance, but 600-600 ohm are suitable for soundcards and microphones and are (as suggested by Ari) from Rat Shack.

73 Tom
 
Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by KB1IVU on December 6, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article...have a 920 but not yet able to use on the HF bands...the Inrad board does a great job. Not related to the article but if anyone has a 920 I would appreciate some help on 6 meter FM operation with this radio...the receive is poor at best compared to the 8900..please e-mail at jlh012397@aol.com with any suggestions....Thanks KB1IVU..
 
Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by K4JRB on December 6, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
This problem is noted on the wm7d web page (www.wm7d.net). Go to the Yaesu resource page and select FT-920. The AFSK topic is known problem #3. A link to the yaesu field note is also provided.

I also found that the DVK conflicts with the memories so still use either an outboard MFJ DVK or writelog thru the soundcard. The audio with a heil BM-10 fitted with the HC-4 element was too tinty and another ham suggested turning off the equalizer and setting the audio to -225 to fill out the lows. Now the audio is much better.

Good article Mark. Really fills in the wm7d and yaesu info.

Dave K4JRB
 
RE: Digimodes on the Yaesu FT-920  
by WB4JB on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I go directly from the 920 to my sound card and computer using the patch outlet. I also use the 9 pin serial port on the radio to the computer to obtain rig control. Never a problem using PSK and RTTY. I also use MixW. Took all of 10 minutes and you are on the air without an interface. I have found you really don't need one unless you are doing some other applications.
WB4JB@mindspring.com
 
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