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Packing & Shipping Amateur Radio Equipment:
Jim Harris (AB0UK)
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November 29, 2003
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Packing and Shipping Amateur Radio Equipment
If you are like many others you have experienced or at least heard of the horrors of shipping damage. Armed with a little knowledge that horror can be reduced to a mild nagging as to whether your pride and joy will get there okay. The author has owned a packing and shipping business for seven years and has had much additional packing and shipping experience. At one time we specialized in packing electronic equipment.
It is very important to remember the carriers (UPS, Fedex, Airborne, Post Office and others) set their own rules. If we ship amateur radio equipment (or anything for that matter) we must abide by their rules when we ship and when we deal with them on a damage claim. We may not like it but if we are going to ship these are the facts. We need to learn their rules and play accordingly or we will be living a horror story sooner or later.
Obviously, your first goal is to assure your amateur radio equipment is undamaged in transit. A very close second is to assure that if your equipment is damaged you receive a fair settlement. Adequate packing (cushioning) materials serves these two afore mentioned purposes. Once a damaged item is declared to have "inadequate cushioning" the damage claim is denied and the odds of getting that reversed are almost zero. And, this is regardless of the amount of insurance you purchased. Complying with the carrier's expectations for adequate cushioning of your specific item is the only way to convince them the package was damaged only due to their actions and not the use of inadequate cushioning
Insurance in no way guarantees you will receive any payment or other compensation such as repair. In order to collect you must pack the item to the extent expected by the carrier and should the item be damaged then be able to prove to the carriers satisfaction the value of the item. They will only deal with the depreciated value of the item and not the replacement cost or cost when new. More expensive items get more rigorous scrutiny for value and documentation of that value.
Photos, weight and size information may assist with a claim settlement. Take pictures during each stage of your packing process. Be sure the type materials used is clearly visible. Include pictures of the finished package. Record weights and dimensions. These may be available on your shipping receipt. Should there be a claim offer this information including copies of the photos to the carrier claims or insurance department to assure the correct item and all it's packing materials were evaluated.
Use extreme caution during packing and handling. Obviously, you don't want to drop or otherwise damage your pride and joy. Use box knives with great care. Sharp tools help prevent accidents. Not so obvious are the hazards of paper and corrugated (cardboard) cuts. A cut from corrugated can be much more severe than a paper cut. Know the location of your first aid kit.
The type of packing material and thickness and the type of box(s) are your main concern when packing that boat anchor or brand new rig going in for warranty repair. The type, amount and quality of the material should be appropriate for the value, weight and fragility and destination of the item. When packing, start inside with the item to be packed and work to the outside of the package. This assures you adequately protect the item, the right size box is selected and it is properly sealed.
Minimum cushioning in all circumstances for boxed items should be at least one inch thick. Extremely fragile, valuable and heavy items traveling long distances by ground may require double boxing or crating and as much as six or more inches of cushioning. Cushioning materials are available in several varieties. Not all are suitable for all items. In all instances over stuff the container. Settling occurs in shipment. Use caution to avoid damaging antenna connectors, controls and other protruding objects.
Items such as spools of wire and heavy mast may be shipped without cushioning or an external container. Be aware they are more prone to damage outside a container and may be judged as insufficient cushioning if damaged. Items outside a corrugated container are charged an extra handling fee by most carriers.
Newsprint can be used for smaller non-fragile items that are lighter weight. This includes cable, hardware, wire and similar items up to about 10 pounds depending on size. Shredded newsprint mats down (compresses) during shipment and offers little protection in this state. The best newsprint is glossy advertising circulars. Crumple each sheet into about a two inch ball. If you are using full sheets of newsprint tear them in half before crumpling. Pack them tightly around the item. As a minimum put a corrugated liner in the bottom and top of the container and preferably on all sides.
Packing peanuts are available in two basic types. Peanuts made from synthetic materials are the most popular, but can build and hold a static charge and are not biodegradable. Obviously, static electricity can damage your top of the line Yaesu or Icom. Biodegradable peanuts are made from corn starch but are about fifty percent more expensive. Packing peanuts are popular but actually offer very little actual cushioning protection. They easily compress and settle about ten percent during shipment. Items packed in peanuts tend to shift inside the container during transit. This increases the odds of damage. Peanuts should be used for void (empty space) fill only. Instances would be when you have finished packing and have small voids in the container corners or other location. Peanuts will help keep the corners from crushing in during normal handling.
Bubble wrap is available in several sizes. The most popular are 3/16” and wire antennas, junk box parts and like items depending on weight. The larger size bubble is used for transceivers, receivers, transmitters, tuners and other more fragile items. Fragile items are best described as items with circuit boards, vacuum tubes or meters. Smaller and less valuable items may only require as little as two inches of larger bubble wrap. That is about 3-4 layers of 'bubble. Larger, more heavy and valuable items need four inches (5-6 layers). Top of the line items will need five to six inches (7-8 layers).
Generally, it is best to leave vacuum tubes in the equipment provided their sockets hold them securely and they are cushioned inside the item. Open the amplifier, boat anchor or other equipment and pack bubble wrap or polystyrene strips around the tubes and fill the void inside with additional cushioning that is dust free and non-static producing. This helps assure the tubes stay in place and keeps them and other internal items from damage. Always write a note about the internal cushioning and place it conspicuously inside the package so the recipient will understand to unpack the inside before applying power.
There are other cushioning materials available depending again on the item to be packed. Foam-in-place, commercially prepared foam bags and polystyrene boards are examples. These are beyond the ability of most people to procure and use. If you think you need these contact a commercial establishment that specializes in these products. Do not use spray insulating foam found in hardware stores. It is worthless for packing purposes and most likely will result in a damaged item and will earn you an inadequate cushioning award from your carrier.
Boxes vary in size, capacity, color and styles. There are national standards established for boxes. Using an inadequate box can lead to your financial loss. Used boxes for lighter and non-fragile items is most likely acceptable. However, for all other items a new box is preferred. Used boxes may have lost up to 80 percent of their strength. Carrier claims inspectors most likely will deny a claim for a fragile or more valuable item if it is shipped in a used box except as explained below for double and tripe boxing. They can easily determine the difference between a first time use box and one that has been reused.
Boxes have weight ratings that must be strictly observed. Single wall boxes are typically rated for 35, 65, 90 pounds. Double wall ratings are typically 105 and 120 pounds. Do not exceed the rating of the box. Do not pack a 70 pound amplifier in a 65 pound box and expect a damage claim to be paid. Ratings are included in the box manufacturers stamp on the bottom of the box. Assure this stamp is always on the bottom side of your finished package. Always adhere labels on the opposite side. Carriers consider the shipping label as the top of the box.
More fragile and heavier items should be double boxed. Triple boxing may be needed for more fragile, larger, heavier or more valuable items. The use of double wall boxes may substitute for triple boxing but not double boxing. Evenly divide the cushioning thickness around the item and the outside of the inner box(s) whether double or triple boxing.
Some amateur radio equipment is received from the manufacturer in a box that is suitable as an inner box. Usually the cushioning inside this box is adequate for inner cushioning when double or triple boxing. When this inner cushioning material is used subtract it's thickness from that discussed above to determine the additional cushioning required. Do not ship the item via a commercial carrier using only the box you received it in. These boxes are palletized and handled as a unit when shipped to your local amateur radio dealer. They are not designed to withstand the rigors of being shipped as individual boxes. It has been reliably estimated the average package is handled 38 times when shipped by a commercial carrier.
Tape should be acrylic or rubber based. Filament tape should be used to add strength to larger and heavier packages. Do not use cellophane, plastic, duct, masking or electrical tape. Rope, twine and string are prohibited. There is no substitute for quality tape. The use of 3 mil thickness is recommended. After wrapping the item or inner box use tape to hold the cushioning in place...4-6" long stripes every 6-8" at the edges and ends of the bubble wrap. Mark the item and its cushioning so the top is obvious. When closing a box place at least three strips on the top and bottom at the line the two flaps make when closed. This should be the full length of the box, around the edge and 4-6" on the adjoining sides. Place a strip along the side edge of the flaps to join the flaps and box sides. Every 4-6" place additional 4-6" strips across the tape just applied. Assure the bottom is adequately taped as well as the top.
Items valued over two or three thousand dollars, heavy items (over 50-60 pounds) and larger items (>20"x20"x20") most likely needs specialized preparation and should be prepared by a professional service. These items may need specialized foam packing, crating or the expertise of a professional.
There are several sources of cushioning materials to include boxes and tape. Office supply stores carry a variety of suitable items. Armed with the information in the article you should be able to make wise choices in these stores. Professional pack and ship businesses offer a variety of materials as well. Call around and shop carefully as these stores offer varying items at varying prices. You will find some of these stores more knowledgeable that others. eBay auctions may also be a viable alternative to locate materials. Should you need specialized assistance check the Yellow Pages under "Packaging Service" or "Packing & Crating Services" and get two or more written estimates. Boxes and other packing materials gleaned from the back dock of supermarkets and other locations is actually worth about the amount you paid for it.
To conclude, the best way to assure your valuable rig, boat anchor or other amateur radio equipment survives the rigors of shipment is to pack your pride and joy as expected by the carrier. It surly is your pride and joy but to those handling it the box is one of hundreds or thousands they will handle each day. No one box regardless of markings or value to you is singled out for different handled from any other box. Protect your radio equipment well to prevent damage and to assure a fair claim settlement should it be damaged. Should you need more information you may contact the author at (719)-641-8477. At this time we are not in the business to sell packing materials or shipping services. But, we will be happy to offer you free advice and it probably be worth it's price.
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by N1JAO on November 29, 2003
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Very important article. Good information. Thanks
Robert
N1JAO
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by K4EQ on November 29, 2003
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This is a valuable article, Jim, and should be submitted to QST or CQ Magazine for publication. --Dale, K4EQ
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by KB9YUR on November 29, 2003
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Great article. But, even if the item to be sent is packaged to withstand a thermonuclear
blast, it will mean nothing if it's lost or stolen by the shipper.
Over the years, I've sent many packages both large & small using UPS, USPS and
Fedex. So far, my needs have been best served by Fedex if I send the package
2nd day insured signature required. The less time the shipper has it, the less chance
it will be lost, stolen and/or abused.
George ...
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by KG4YJR on November 29, 2003
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KB9YUR,
Just from personal experience, Fedex Express does treat packages a lot more gentle than UPS. Fedex Ground is a totally different monster though and they give me and others I know lousy service in this region. You watch the tracking and sometimes they've let my packages sit in their Atlanta warehouse for over six business days. I've even had their customer service people lie to me and say that the tracking information was wrong online and that the package was on a truck for delivery to me at that very moment. A call to the corporate office and letting them investigate proved otherwise. All Fedex Ground drivers are subcontractors, not employees of Fedex and are not accountable as told to me by Fedex themselves.
UPS once left an HT I shipped to someone in the rain but since I had double boxed the radio there was no damage.
73
Dave
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by KB1IVU on November 29, 2003
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Don't forget to use anti static packing materials....
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by K9ZF on November 29, 2003
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OUTSTANDING ARTICLE!!
Hey eHam, how about keeping this article available for referance? It would make a great addition to the eHam classifieds section.
73
Dan, K9ZF
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by N8FVJ on November 29, 2003
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Good article. I always double box with at least 6" of foam protection. The problem is some other amateurs will not follow those guidelines even when they promise such.
The last damaged item was a Drake 2C & 2NT. I bought these items from a ham in California. The ham simply dropped in boxes with a thin layer of bubble wrap ignoring the double box with foam protection as part of my purchase agreement. Both units were damaged without any possible recourse from UPS. After all, the items were unquestionably improperly packed. To add insult to this, the older California ham denyed any responsibility like I was (not him) way out in left field here. I consider this just about as dishonest as not shipping the items.
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by K4PIT on November 29, 2003
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>>Fedex Ground drivers are subcontractors, not employees of Fedex and are not accountable as told to me by Fedex themselves>>
ah,that explains it. I was not told that when I had to argue my way through a handful of supervisors and managers before speaking with someone who even seemed to care that the package I ordered had been sitting in a warehouse on the opposite coast for over a week.
I will not purchase an item if the seller insists on ahipping Fedex.
I have had no problems with USPS Priority mail.
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by HAMRAD on November 29, 2003
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Boy I sure wish the fellow I bought my FT 847 would have read this article!! Looked like it was packaged by a 4 year old.
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by K4FAU on November 29, 2003
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This just happened to me yesterday -- got a R-1000 shipped from NY to FL... the R-1000 was packed in the original shipping container -- seated in styrofoam ---then wrapped in bubblewrap --- put in the original box... and then put in an outer box that fit perfectly... then taped from head to toe....
when we got the box the radio was damaged -- and both the outer and inner box was split....
UPS said that they would send a rep out on Monday to look at the box....
UPS asked us a couple of cquestions already that seemed as if they were building their case against paying anything but I don't blame them....
a. why did we not notify the DRIVER that the box seemed damage (ans. the box was left at the mgrs office of the complex we work)
b. how old is the equipment that was in the box (ans- what difference should that make)
c. what is the value of the equipment (ans - this is where they got me at -- the radio is worth 300 but the shipper only insured it for 100)
d. Do you have any photographic proof of before and after (YES - having this seemed to stop the remainder of the questions)
A couple of things that has saved us in the past... and we have shipped many things and have had some damaged...
Make sure the shipper takes a picture of the box s it goes out the door -- hopefully you never need it but if you do its worth its weight in gold....
make sure that you get enough insurance on the item -- dont ship a 400 dollar radio and insure it for 100 to save a few cents...
Brian
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by K1CJS on November 29, 2003
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Good article and good points! IMHO, double boxing any electronic equipment is always best. The extra materials and box used is cheap insurance to protect the equipment--and the claim--in the event damage does occur. Always put the shipping info on the inner box as well as the outer one, and inside the inner box as well.
Thanks for the reminders and 73!
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by K4FAU on November 29, 2003
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Let me throw in a good story in the mist of bad ones that are surely going to pop up...
We bought an ICOM IC-T7H HT from K4MDM. When the box arrived I thought that it was one of the big transceivers that we had also orders... but was just a the HT...
Mark had done a great job first packing the HT in the original shipping container... then put it in a shipping container that was packed with foam and enclosed it in a heavy duty box...there was several inches of seperation between the outer box filled with foam and then shipping container inside...
you could have dropped this off of a 10 story building and it survive..
great job K4MDM
thx
Sam
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by KA5N on November 29, 2003
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Never put plastic peanuts in the box unless the item being shipped is completely wrapped. Somehow the peanuts will get broken and wedged in places they shouldn't be. Protect the front panel so that knobs, dials and screens don't get broken. A polystyrene block cut to fit over the front panel and secured to it will prevent a lot of woes. Packing is a lot like keeping warm: many thin layers are better than a single heavy one. Shipping personel are dropouts from the "airline baggage handlers school."
Allen KA5N
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HRO Shipping - A Potential Nightmare, but Rig Surv
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by LNXAUTHOR on November 29, 2003
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- paid for a TS-570DG in Sept. at a local HRO... the store didn't have one in stock, so one was shipped from the Delaware store...
- i could not believe my eyes when the UPS driver dropped off the package...
- HRO shipped the Kenwood in its 'regular' box... no packing, no outer box, nothing!
- straight from the shelf via UPS...
- Kenwood does a good job of its packaging, and the rig works fine, but i could not believe HRO shipped the rig like that!
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by KG4YJR on November 29, 2003
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One thing I like to do personally is when someone lives a good distance away from me, say on the opposite coast, I'll do my best, even upgrade the shipping at my own cost to make sure that they won't have to wait through a weekend to get what they bought. I'd rather them receive it before the weekend and enjoy it. Just something I do.
73
Dave
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by KB9IV on November 29, 2003
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Very well written, However you missed one MAIN point.....COST.
Being that allot of hams are inherently cheap, the buyer will not pay a cent higher than is needed.
They will want you to ship it in a tissue box then cry that their item is damaged.
I am not a professional packing company with the resources at hand but I do find what is needed at no
cost to a buyer.
Watch out for them UPS gorillia's. Medium or light boxes OK, heavy go FedEX.
73,
Bill KB9IV
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by VE3TMT on November 29, 2003
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If I don't have the original shipping box, I always use expanding foam. I double wrap the gear in plastic and tape it shut to seal it tight. I then spray the bottom of the box, let it expand a bit and then pace the radio in the box. All accessories are placed in ziploc bags then wrapped in plastic and placed around the gear. I then fill the entire box with the rest of the foam and seal it up before it has finished expanding. When you are done your gear is completely protected by the foam and it will have expanded to fill every crack & nook in the box. I have shipped all over the US and to Europe this way and never had a problem. One ham in Arizona complained it took him too long to get the radio out of the box!!
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by KG6JEV on November 29, 2003
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Excellent article. I only wish the guys I bought rigs from on eBay had read it. I've bought several rigs on eBay and had at least two or three of them damaged due to improper packing. The last rig I bought, a FT-101B, ended up with a damaged bottom case (feet not properly packed and protected) and a bent VFO shaft. It doesn't take that much additional effort to properly prepare a radio for shipping and I'll gladly pay the extra cost. The guy who sold me this rig wanted me to make a claim against UPS, but I knew there wasn't a chance that I'd win. I ended up telling the guy what he did wrong. The rig is currently under restoration.
73,
Steven
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by VE3WMB on November 29, 2003
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Good article.
Also I like VE3TMTs idea of using expanding foam.
To sum things up I think you need to make the assumption that your package will be dropped from a height of about 4 ft onto solid concrete. If you pack accordingly then things will arrive safely most of the time.
Personally I have had better luck with items shipped via USPS than most of the couriers.
Michael
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by KE4RWS on November 29, 2003
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Yes indeed, this is VERY good information for everyone to adhere to.
I had the unfortunate occassion to receive an alleged "like-new" Yaesu FT-8500 from a ham who shall remain nameless here on this board. When I received this wonderful radio the shipper had obviously just tossed the radio inside the original box without its original shipping styrofoam which holds it in place within the box, and all accessories were equally tossed inside the box to float around freely as the box was jossled during it's shipping journey.
By the time I received it the radio was very much broken to say the least. After a quick email to the shipper/seller he acted as though he didn't know what I was talking about. In the end I got my money back after returning the radio, but I vowed to make certain that future purchases would not end up this way. I always make certain to specify proper shipping procedures. If the seller can't comply then I move on and leave it to someone else.
One thing I always get a lot of thanks for is how well I package my shipments. Whether it's a radio or a sparkplug, I properly package my shipments.
Take care folks, and package those boxes properly!!
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by N8FVJ on November 30, 2003
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I won a claim from UPS. The 70-lb box had a cruched small lizard on the bottom. Being that these Florida lizards are 'lightning fast' moving, it was obvious the UPS person threw the box off the truck on top of the lizard. The UPS inspector just stared at it and then approved a $550 claim.
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by KC8VWM on November 30, 2003
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>>>This is a valuable article, Jim, and should be submitted to QST or CQ Magazine for publication<<<<
Agreed! Great suggestion!
Charles - KC8VWM
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by KC8VWM on November 30, 2003
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>>>>Very well written, However you missed one MAIN point.....COST.
Being that allot of hams are inherently cheap, the buyer will not pay a cent higher than is needed. <<<<<
I think you will find that at the end of the day MOST hams would rather spare the added expense to ensure the rig is properly protected during shipping.
Anyone disagree?
73,
KC8VWM
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by KC8VWM on November 30, 2003
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Best advice for packing
... Pack your rig like it's going to get tossed for a distance of at least 10 feet.
Why?
Cause it will!
KC8VWM
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by KD5QEF on November 30, 2003
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Excellent topic. I have a suggestion about shipping paddles. I sold a Schurr Profi II and wanted to ensure it was not damaged in transit. I took the original box and cut out a piece of 2-inch think foam from a "beadboard" foam panel used for insulation (available at Home Depot). This foam has a plastic layer on one side and a "skin" on the other (white side) and is quite dense and does not break apart or crumble like some polystyrene foam. I set the brass base of the Schurr Profi paddle on the foam "block" and traced the outline. Then I dug out the foam to a depth equal to the base of the Profi with a fork (dining utensil fork). I then set the foam "base" into the box with the Profi in it, and put another piece of foam on top of the paddle and "sandwiched" it in the box. It was very secure. I think many paddles and keys can be "set" into foam like this and shipped quite securely.
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by KD7KYU on November 30, 2003
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Very informative. Learn something new everyday. Packing peanuts made out of corn starch can cause static electricity. That explains why all the inflatable bags that some shippers are using, however,
these sometimes go flat for one reason or another. I like the urethane based foams and bubblewrap. Do not forget the double boxing...it does help.
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by N6AJR on November 30, 2003
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A couple of things to add.
1 always put both yours and the recipients address INSIDE the box too, so if the label gets trashed.. they know where to send the pieces.
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2 I always tell my Ebay folks to pack well as my delivery folks are brutal, they throw stuff on my porch to save a couple of steps",( which is true) but this makes them aware to pack well.
3 if you are sending a heavy box (30 pounds or more) always write HEAVY BOX 40 pounds ( or what ever it weighs) and fragile prominently on the top of the box near the label in big print.
4 I double box almost everything and tripple box the really good stuff. I keep all my old packing junk so I can do a good job and still not spend a bunch., I use a lot of 4 x 8 sheets of 1 inch foam board too ( home depot, its the blue stuff) cut to size with holes for the knobs and connectors.
5 if it is anything more fragile than a brick, insure it for something and usually its "real" value, not some made up number.
6 if you ship a lot with the post office, you can call 1- 800-527-1950 and have them send you 6 rolls of priority tape, large and small boxes, mailing labels with your return address on them , and other goodies for shipping priority mail ( a good deal for stuff up to about 10 pounds) and the packaging material is all free. they even have a triangle shaped box for antennas..
get to know your ups, fedex and mail persons, a "HI" now and then and a "Thanks I have been waiting for that new electronoic toy to show up" lets them know you think of them as a person, and perhaps they won't shove the box out the door of the truck and roll it all the way up the sidewalk with their foot ( my old ups driver)( and it survived, a clipperton L amp tubes shipped seperatly tripple boxed foam rubber/ styrafoam/ and peanuts on the outside box.) a great shipper.
great article.
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Excellent article. I only wish the guys I bought rigs from on eBay had read it. >>
I for one am going to save this in a "Word" document and email it to ANY prospective seller plan to shop from. If they don't agree, I don't bid. Andy you will have it in writing (return email).
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by VE3TMT on December 1, 2003
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...2 cardboard boxes from work $2.00
...Mono expanding foam $9.00
...Knowing the gear will arrive the same way you shipped "PRICELESS"
I will spend what needs to be spent to make sure whatever I ship gets there in one piece. It's not worth the frustration when the guy on the other end tells you the equipment arrived damaged. I spend whatever it takes, and I hope the guy shipping to me does as well. Maybe I've just been lucky.
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by N3HAT on December 1, 2003
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Well said, sir! But I can't resist a "furthermore" or two.
A "Fragile" label, IMHO, is useless. Might as well label your stuff "Kick Me". Check with your shipping company to see if it makes a difference in case of a claim; if it doesn't, I would leave off the "fragile" sticker.
Human factors aside, remember that your stuff is going to get picked up in one of those nice panel trucks with the shelves along the side. But later it will be stacked in an 18-wheeler and hauled over our decaying and potholed highway system halfway across the country to a sorting center. The semitrailer is 110 inches (9 feet) tall on the inside. Your box might be on the top layer of that trailer. Your box might be on the bottom, with a pile of brake rotors or equally dense material piled on top of it. You have no control over this, so plan for the worst.
Most of you have not seen the inside of a sorting center; I have. Your box may bump over a section of roller conveyor; lots of nice jiggles and jounces here. It may go down a nice, smooth belt conveyor but then, when it has reached the divert point, an arm emerges from the side of the conveyor to bat your box down a 10-foot-long curving playground slide to the next conveyor. I don't know how many Gs it experiences, but the motor that drives this arm runs on 440 volts and looks like it has several horsepower. When your box reaches the bottom of the slide and lands on the next conveyor, if you are lucky it may land in a nice, empty spot and continue on its way, perhaps tumbling as it comes to rest. Or it may land smack-dab into the middle of another 70-lb box. Perhaps the corner of one will hit the middle of a side of the other, causing a penetration of one of the boxes....
In short, your box, when it leaves your possession, is no longer in your control. It will be subjected to shock, vibration, acceleration, deceleration, and impacts which you would not knowingly do to it. Pack it accordingly.
Personally, I like to use a computer monitor or CPU box for the outer container, as they are double corrugated to resist penetration from impacts. I make sure that this is larger than the inner box by several inches in all dimensions. Fill this gap with padding but, as the original poster says, don't use foam peanuts.
Bear in mind that these computer boxes are intended for one-time use, so don't reuse one if it looks the least bit damaged. And check with the shipping company to see if their insurance will cover an item that is packed in a reused box.
Place a copy of the packing list with the "ship-to" and "shipped-from" addresses inside the inner box and attach another copy to the outside of the inner box. That way, if the outer box gets broken or the label gets mangled, the item has a chance of making it to its destination.
And, by all means, document your packing method. Remember that you, as an individual shipper, have no leverage with the logistics company if you have a claim; they will make you prove everything. You aren't doing thousands of dollars' worth of business with them that you can threaten to take elsewhere if your claim is denied. They already have your money. They haven't vetted your packing materials and methods. And, unlike a seller of new goods, you are probably selling something that is made of Unobtainium; you can't just write it off as a cost of doing business and replace it with another identical unit. So your packing and documentation must be better than the big guys'.
My XYL and I have our own horror stories of receiving goods from ebay sellers who did not pack items properly; in some cases it looked as if they just put tape around the moldy old single-layer box that the item was in in their attic. The vast majority have been decent about offering a refund to compensate for the damage. I would rather they had packed the goods right in the first place.
73,
Bob
N3HAT
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by KC8VWM on December 1, 2003
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Regardless of what your shipping, always put cautionary labels on the outside of your packages.
"Explosive - Will Detonate on Impact"
This will usually get the attention of a package handler.
On the less humorous side, you can print your own packaging labels right from your P.C.
Right click on any graphic from the following web page to make your own "professional quality" red and white shipping labels.
http://www.barcodediscount.com/catalog/packing/
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by KC8VWM on December 1, 2003
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FAR SUPERIOR SHIPPING METHOD:
Most shipping damage is caused as a direct result of packaging damage.
Worried about shipping container damage? Why not ship your rig suspended inside a 5 gallon plastic pail with seal-able lid to keep out moisture?
Package handlers will almost always handle a pail differently than a square cardboard box. They will always pick them up by the handle. (human nature I suppose) Heavy parcels or objects can be stacked on top of a pail and it won't crush the contents inside like regular cardboard boxes demonstrate.
PVC pails are almost mil spec in protection quality. They are virtually indestructible, moisture proof, cost effective, and are highly puncture resistant.
Never worry about bent or broken radio knob shafts on radios, dented outer cases, broken meters etc. during shipping again.
All you need to do to suspend the radio inside the center of the pail. Carefully wrap it in a circular manner using bubble wrap. Then use other "shock suspension" materials around the bubble wrap.
A good way to make your own "suspension packs" is to fill ziploc bags with "peanut foam" and then place the suspension bags tightly around the equipment. This will keep small foam particles out of your equipment too.
The radio will always stay in the center of the pail because unlike a box, a pail does not bulge out to one side when a weight is placed on top of it.
By the nature of the pails circular design, outside forces or stress on the outside surface of the pail are distributed more equally around the shape of the pail and thus does not affect the position of the contents inside.
Heavy boxes or large parcels are difficult to stack on top of a pail because they will simply "roll off" to one side.
A pail's circular design does not allow any other parcels to sit level on it during shipping.
Even if a heavy parcel manages to balance and sit directly on top of a pail. I bet you can put 3-400 pounds on top of a pail before it collapses. Ever stand on one lately?
You can buy pails pretty cheap at hardware stores or you can order 5 for $3.95 each at the following website:
http://www.uline.com/Browse_Listing_8150.asp
Pails are a far superior method of shipping & protecting your sensitive electronic items as cardboard is more susceptible to handling damage, seam breakage, unraveled tape and moisture during transport.
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by KG4PFO on December 2, 2003
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My son works a UPS, Ive dropped by to see him several times only to see the horror.....If the line gets backed up during trailer transfers, packages end up where they just happen to fall....in some cases they are simply all over the place,even outside on the parking lot.....Insure everything you ship!! there is a good chance your gonna need it.
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by N8IK on December 2, 2003
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If you're shipping an amplifier a lot of mfgs recommend removing the transformer and packing it separately.
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by WD9GCO on December 2, 2003
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True. The transformer in an amp is a significantly heavy chunk in a relatively small space.
When that box is dropped off a truck or conveyor, the transformer moves at the same speed. When the box suddenly hits the floor, the transformer, due to inertia, tries to keep moving. If the sheetmetal it's attached to isn't strong enough to withstand the force of the transformer (now several times heavier due to the G forces) trying to rip itself loose from it's mountings, it will give and the transformer will fly through the rest of the amp, destroying stuff as it goes. And, for the rest of the journey, you will have a 10lb chunk of steel and iron bouncing around inside the amp.
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by W9CW on December 2, 2003
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Excellent article . . . I've bought and sold quite a bit of gear over the years, lately from reflectors, eHam, as well as eBay. I always "overpack" everything I sell and ship, sometimes by triple-boxing. Conversely, I have been on the receiving end of some terribly underpacked items.
For what it's worth, Consumer Reports ran a test several years ago on various shipping methods. They shipped a box with an accelerometer suspended inside, and the results were quite interesting. FedEx Express handled the box well for Overnight Service, but when shipped via 2nd Day Air, the box experienced some fairly high G-loads. I think it goes to show that the fewer hands and machines that handle a package, the better.
Consumer Reports was not kind to UPS Ground. Their test showed some pretty rough handling. The overall winner?? Quite a surprise to me, but USPS Priority Mail handled the box best with the least G-loads. The test was conducted before the Post Office contracted with FedEx to handle all Priority Mail (Yes, that's right, FedEx handles all Priority Mail. And, if you've seen FedEx drop boxes at your local post office, this is also part of the USPS/FedEx contract). I've shipped HF transceivers to the both coasts via Priority Mail, and have never had any box or content damage. Maybe I'm just lucky, but the same can't be said for UPS Ground.
Lately I've used FedEx Ground Home Delivery with good success. Decent rates, no charge delivery on Saturday, and seemingly decent package handling. One of their contract delivery couriers lives in our subdivision, and the boxes always arrive without any sign of "crunching." On the other hand, he always delivers our packages last! Once he drops off our package, he goes back to his panel van, removes the FedEx Ground magnetic signs, and drives the couple of blocks to his house!
One more note on insurance . . . I've had little trouble collecting insurance from UPS. However, the same can't be said for FedEx. And, collecting on an insurance claim from the USPS will take some time. The claim most likely will eventually be paid, but one must have a great amount of patience.
73,
Don W9CW
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by KE4DRN on December 2, 2003
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Great article !
Be sure your shipper knows what double boxed means !
I asked and paid extra (no problem !) for the seller to double box the hf radio and the accessories in a second doubled box and confirmed by telephone.
Well, the seller sent my ts 520 with accessories in two boxes seperate but with newspapers and cardboard scraps to cushion the equipment. The cartons were used from a walmart and not rated for the items weight.(walmart ship labels were on the box !)
Hats off to the UPS crews that took extra care to get these cartons to my qth without any equipment damage !
No doubt any claims would be null and void because of the seller not following shipping guidelines and common sense.
For items of high value, the shockwatch labels are a must.
http://www.shockwatch.com/products/LabelSpec.htm
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by KI4BDS on December 3, 2003
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We used to be in the shipping buisness.It really doesnt matter if Fed Ex uses contractors or not. You try unloading a set of 27 ft long doubles or a 54 ft long trailer loaded with every conceivable size weight and shape of pkg. Hell, you'll throw them any way you can after about the first 35000 lbs. Karl KI4BDS
Mark it "Glass",we'll throw it underhand.
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by AC4RD on December 3, 2003
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A couple of years ago I finally bought myself a Hasselblad. I had it shipped to my work address so it wouldn't sit on my porch. When it got here, the outer box was crushed badly on one side, and it had a big ol' honkin' FOOTPRINT on the box. Someone had stepped on it--pretty hard. Luckily, the nice folks at Midwest Photo Exchange had double-boxed it just as described in this VERY interesting and informative essay, and the camera kit was completely unharmed. I was very relieved--and resolved to pay more attention to how I pack my own stuff for shipment in the future! ;-) 73! --Ken AC4RD
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by AC7KZ on December 4, 2003
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Ok this article shows who works for who. I'll come clean. I work for UPS.
Very good article. You cannot be cheap in the packing department no matter which carrier you use. I've seen stuff shipped in lightweight cardboard boxes. If I do a pickup, If I hear anything moving in a box, I will ask what is inside, and if it's a lousy packing job, I will tell the person to repack it and it will go out the next day.
Take pictures, document everything. That's my advice.
Best of 73's
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by WD4NGG on December 4, 2003
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Very good information, thanks. One method I have used for having valuable radios shipped to me is to ship YOUR OWN BOXES AND PACKING to the sender. That way you can be assured your radio will be packed exactly the way you want it to be. Usually the sender is happy to get your prepared boxes also as he won't have to hunt all over town to try to find the right boxes and packing materials. All he has to do is place your radio inside the boxes and packing you provided, seal them up and your package is ready to go. You should try to have the packing/padding all cut to size to fit your radio inside the boxes. I send everything necessary for a complete double-boxed package, plus a roll of reinforced sealing tape. You can ship some pretty large empty boxes cross-country for $20-$30. Cheap insurance for a $500-$1000 radio. It is hard to put a dollar value on shipping damage to a radio - what is a bent front panel or chassis going to cost, broken knobs, etc? Plus the headaches of trying to repair the damage or even being able to find the replacement parts for a vintage radio. To me it is worth $20-$30 even $40 to make sure your valuable radio is packed the way you want it to be. 73 - WD4NGG.
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by KI6LO on December 4, 2003
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I once had a Beseler 45MXT photographic enlarger (VERY BIG ITEM 80+ lbs) shipped to me. I thought I had seen it all. Basically had a layer of cardboard wrapped around the frame and taped in place. Luckily it made it to me with only a very tiny dent which was repairable but could have been much worse.
I have come to the idea that it is much easier and dollar-wise than penny-foolish to let a professional service handle the packaging and shipping. I usually will wrap the item in a layer of bublewrap to 'seal' it from the packaging that will be used. I have found that I don't have to worry about anything after the item is dropped off because 1) the service has insurance and if they break it, they buy it and 2) they know the shipping rules better than I do.
I photograph the item prior to bubblewrapping and put the FROM and TO address on a label on the bubblewrap. But that is where I stop. On occasion the service will remove the bubblewrap to inspect the item prior to accepting it. No problem. If I have any concern, I phone them first to see if the want to see the 'bare' item.
I have never had any problems in shipping everything from transceivers and amps to complete computer systems with monitors. Sure it cost a few bucks more but my time and patience is worth more to me than the hassle it would take if I packed it myself and had to fight for my claim.
The old adage is well applied here "CAVEAT EMPTOR" - let the buyer beware (or in this case the shipper - YOU!)
Gene KI6LO
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by WA6OWH on December 7, 2003
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Great article. Wished I had read it sooner. I recently receivced a Kenwood 430 from Hawaii and it arrived damaged looking as if it had fallen off the back of a truck. It was double boxed but totally destroyed. Thankfully USPS insurance did pay off.
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by KA4KOE on December 7, 2003
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Check out article 5280 for more on this topic...
UPS = Unmitigated package smashers.
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by PE1RLN on December 10, 2003
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Good article. I know that making pictures in case of packing expensive things is very important. Insurancecompanies of the transporters are not pleased with pictures as it makes it impossible for them to reject your claim. It is valuable.
By the way, box-in-box is very good for packing.
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by K9IUQ on December 10, 2003
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The best way to ship I have found is to take the gear to Mailbox Etc or a similar store and let THEM pack it. That way if there is a claim for damage, they can not say it was not packed properly - since they packed it. The cost for this is very reasonable and well worth it.
Mailbox Etc is a franchise of UPS.......
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by GM4LER on March 31, 2004
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And what if it's across the pond & requires to be checked by security & customs, bet they will not re-wrap to the same standard as the sender . Who would admit responsibility then if the item is damaged ?
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by K6LCS on September 29, 2005
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There is no such thing as a "fragile" service with UPS. I state this fact not to demean UPS - because I use them successfully for hundreds of incoming and outgoing packages a week, and their customer service department is marvelous.
But if I were an individual sending out an expensive piece of fragile electronics, I would have it professionally packed, and use FedEx's special handling services.
Just my opinion. I have been wrong....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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