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Every Day Should be a Contest!

John Thurmond (KB5HWS) on December 7, 2003
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While hunting for anything vaguely resembling a calling frequency on 20 and 40 meters on the final evening of sweepstakes, I remember thinking how wonderful it was that the bands were full from end to end (despite simultaneously cursing the fact, since all I wanted was a measly 2.5 kHz!).

The fact is, the bands are just as open today as they were during the contest, but spin the dial through them, and you'll hear only a handful of QSOs. Imagine the benefits if the bands were just as full in non-contest periods.

1) There would be a good case for expansion of the amateur bands, especially the popular ones, like 80, 40, and 20 meters.

2) It would encourage good operating practice. Contests teach you that you don't own any frequency, and sometimes you just can't keep them. Despite the fact that a few people take this personally, there are times when a QRM'ing station simply can't hear you. When asking a station to move away, always be polite. There is a very good reason why QRP stations don't call CQ very often -- many sources of QRM simply might not hear them.

3) It would encourage good engineering practice. Two of the biggest problems during contests are wide signals and splatter. If your SSB signal is 6 kHz wide, you are not helping the crowded situation, and you are often making it hard for the other station to understand you. When trying to communicate through QRN and QRM, hi-fi audio makes it more difficult, not less. If things were crowded while NOT in the heat of a contest, it makes it easy to politely encourage people to 'fix' their stations (and offer advice, if appropriate).

4) Nets would be better understood and acknowledged, both during contest and non-contest periods. Many nets provide a valuable service to the amateur community, and are equally necessary and important in crowded conditions. Please note that a 'net' does not mean the frequency where you and your buddies like to chat. Crowded conditions would force net operators to understand that they can usually get QRM'ing stations to move by politely asking. Additionally, it would force other operators to know the times and frequencies of important nets, so they could be avoided.

I understand if you don't like contests. After all, how many of us would choose to drive in heavy traffic, as opposed to a wide-open road all alone? However, sometimes we have to drive in heavy traffic, and knowing and abiding by the rules makes things less stressful for everyone. The best way to learn the rules is to practice, and that's the real reason for contests. Just like in traffic, there will always be a few jerks, but that's never an excuse to act like one.

John KB5HWS (one of the K5UTD operators during sweeps)

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Every day should be a contest!  
by OLDFART13 on November 27, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Great article john. I agree that we need to show courtesy on the air whether in a contest or not. I realize the QRM can be a part of operating on HF and that is why I have 1.8Kc and .250Kc filter for my new Mark V. QRL?

73, Bob
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by HAMDUDE on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Youve got to be kidding.
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W5GNB on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Well John,
I am not sure what your smoking but I am sure the stuff is not LEGAL in this country!!
One more contest on the weekends is liable to be the beginning of World War Three!!
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N9AVY on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Liked your analogy about driving in heavy traffic. The same people you find in traffic you can find on the bands.

1. The guy who puts on his turn signal and leaves 6 inches between your bumper and his ! (You're in QSO and he asks if frequency is in use and proceeds to have QSO with his buddy down the street.)

2. Or the guy who's driving a vehicle held together by rust that belches out more smoke than a destroyer laying a smoke screen ? (Boatachors ?)

3. How about the guy who's doing everything but paying attention to his driving ? (Ever have a QSO with a guy who loved to hear himself talk ?)

4. Car with bumper sticker that says " Of course, I own the road". (Get off my frequency !)

Well, I'm sure there could be more additions to this list...

 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N5XM on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I've had similar thoughts...not a contest every day, but ops with the same enthusiasm on non-contest days as they have on contest days. CW ragchew is my favorite, although I do like modest efforts at contesting. Not that I'm gonna beat anybody, but it gives me a chance to improve my skills (which it has done), and I get a little DX out of it. I guess I just wish more folks would get on the air.
 
Every Day Should **NOT** be a Contest!  
by K7VO on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
If every day were a contest my HF operations would be totally restricted to 12, 17, 30, and possibly 60 meters. I can't stand contests and avoid them like the plague except on VHF/UHF. Even there I am hardly a contest regular. The fact remains that during major contests the five "original" HF bands (10, 15, 20, 40, and 75/80) are pretty much useless for anything else. They are full of wall to wall contesters.

I vote for more quality QSOs, not just more quantity.
 
TOO MANY CONTESTS.  
by N2WEC on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
The simple fact is that contests do not promote good operating practices. They do however produce some very bad, rude and inconsiderate operators. I can appreciate your wanting the bands to see more use, contesting is not the answer.
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KB5HWS on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I didn't conclude the article well - let me fix that here.

The point is, quantity and quality are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It is impressive (whether you like it or not) to see the bands packed end-to-end with amateurs making contacts. I think it would be good for everyone to have those kinds of conditions in non-contest times, because it helps everyone to understand how to work in difficult conditions.

This was not meant to be fuel for the contesting vs. non-contesting fire. If you thought it was, perhaps you should read more than the title. End-to-end ragchews would be equally impressive, and serve the same purpose. Get on the air and make some QSOs!
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KT4HT on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
After 33 years of being a Ham, I still can't see the value or fun in contesting. Why would anyone want to sit on the air, hour after hour, simply to give another station a false (everyone is 5 by 9!) signal report? and mundane exchange of other information?

And why have mostly all DX QSO's turned into contest-like exchanges? "your 59 in Upper Volta. 73's"

I always ask my DX contact, "what's your rush? Tell me something of your life."

Contesting...what a waste.
 
non-contesters...dont' make me laugh  
by KR2Q on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
You "hate the contest" types really make me laugh (thanks!). The reason the bands are so busy/active is because there are TONS of contesters (it's POPULAR).

The reason the bands are "dead" at other times is that whatever else is going on (whatever "you" are doing) is just NOT popular. Hence the bands are quiet. I tell you, tuning the bands is downright BORING w/o a contest. Just mostly hissssssss.

Nah...nobody contests any more....the bands are way too crowded for that.

de Doug KR2Q
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by RobertKoernerExAE7G on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What a great mix of bands we now have.

12, 17, and 30 where there aren’t any contest; 10, 15, 20, 40, 75/80 and 160 where there are some contests.

A CW only band (for us in the USA)

Vast portions of every band open during most contests.

Plus, we have a great variety of people enjoying the varied aspects of our hobby, with a rich choice of emissions and modes.

Maybe I’ll change my perspective when I complete my third sun spot cycle—sure hope not.

73
Bob (collecting parts to build a 6L6 “novice” transmitter for 30 meters)
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K6BBC on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Please name me one net that provides any service at all? The days of Amateur Radio being useful to public service are long dead.

K6BBC
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by RADIOBOB on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Well John,

Just wondering ?? Where are all the op's when there are no contest ?? Is the only time they can operate is when there is a contest ??, OR….. is it that they have not developed the ability to hold a normal conversation with normal ( non contesting ) hams.

I agree that the bands sound empty at times. Why ?? Lack of use ?? No interest in meeting new people ??? No real radio friends to have casual contacts with. Maybe if a contester can't be yelling 59 whatever, they can find no reason to be on the air ???

Maybe they are AAD ( adult attention deficiency ).

Seems to me that 40 meters is pretty busy these days. Try finding a nice clear space to hold a QSO or sled on 40 meters in the evening. 75 meters is even worse in the evening.

I do agree. It never ceases to amaze me that 10 meters is proclaimed as "dead", then along comes a contest. BAMB. The whole world is all over the band. Theory has it that if you infuse large amounts of RF into a dead band, that it will open up. Maybe so.

Don't you all just love those contesters though. Two weeks ago I was having a nice ( nice for the crowed contest conditions ) QSO on 40 meters. This was a weekly sked that I try to keep. We had been in QSO for about 5 min, ( after asking several times, on both ends of the QSO ) if the freq was in use. No reply came forth. The freq was clear ( at lease with in 2 and a half kc ). Five min later along comes W ******* whatever, and parks himself 500 cycles ( .5 kc ) away, proceeding to all but cover up the station I was talking too. I was sure he could hear me, ( unless he was using a 500 cycle SSB filter, which I have not heard of yet ) since he was a nice 30 over to my location. Thinking that he would hear me fairly well I tried to continue with the sked. Still the other station persisted. After about another 5 min of this I moved down .5 kc and answered his CQ TEST call. He came right back to me, with a rapid fire reply. I then asked him if my signal was OK. He replied just great 30 over. I then explained that there had been a QSO in progress just a half kc up, and that I knew he had to of heard us. He said yes he had heard the but it was a contest weekend and that was the way it was. Well my reply was to first turn on the amp ( which had been off up till then ), and proceed to tell him that he was now my new hobby for the rest of the evening. Surely he would understand if I called CQ Contest on that freq. It's amazing what a few KW can do. He moved.

Yeah, lets make everyday, every weekend, every year, like a contest 24/7/365.

By the way……… how come contest are never held during the week ??? Real contesters wouldn't mind taking a few days off from work, would they ???

AND OH BY THE WAY John ………. Most of the world works during the Mon - Fri parts of the week. Could be that's why the bands are a less crowed. Not rocket science here.

Lets try this ( going back a line or two ).

Lets ( for one year ), run all contest, INCLUDING FIELD DAY, during the week. Then come back and tell us how well the bands are used or under used.

" and so it goes "
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K8IG on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Please name me one net that provides any service at all? The days of Amateur Radio being useful to public service are long dead.

K6BBC

Well, let's see.... the Maritime Mobile Service Net, the Hurricane Watch Net & MIDCARS all come to mind at the moment.

K8IG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K6BBC on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hurricane Watch Net. Oh forgive me. not much need for them in Southern California. Midcars? What do they do of importance?

K6BBC
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WB8UHZ on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

KB5HWS are you kidding, contests are nothing but
a total waste of the spectrum! I agree with the
others , what are you smoking? How about we limit contests to one a year and only in the General portion
of the band.
tim









 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1XM on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know if every day should be a contest, but there aren't too many for me. I enjoy them and I don't think I would ne nearly as active if it weren't for contests.

Very few contests wipe out an entire band, since most are mode-specific. You probably wouldn't even notice a PSK-31 contest if you operate primarily phone.

K4THT - Obviously you and I enjoy different things. My idea of fun is to pack up a small ham station, take it to somewhere outside the US, set it up, and see how many contacts I can make in a weekend. I take this pretty seriously, and I've built or modified a fair amount of the gear I take along. A week ago I contacted 188 stations in one hour on CW using an Elecraft K2 I built. I'm trying to figure out how to go even faster. For me this kind of challenge is great.

RADIOBOB - The guy you are describing on 40 is a jerk. A couple years ago I was on 20 SSB, calling CQ and working people in a contest. A guy opened up on the frequency calling his friend. I said that the frequency was in use, and he told me that I had finished my QSO and so I wasn't using it any more. He then had his ragchew with a buddy he could have called on the telephone. He was a jerk too. Jerks come in all flavors, unfortunately.

I agree that most of the world works during the week. But it always amazes me that I can show up from someplace outside the US, call CQ on a band that should be open, and have a pile-up even in the middle of a weekday. There must be lots of hams who listen but don't transmit unless they find someone they want to call. There are a lot of ways to enjoy this hobby.

KB5UHZ - Don't hold your breath. Obviously contests are popular. Otherwise the sponsors wouldn't bother to run them (running a contest is a paperwork headache) and hams wouldn't participate.

The "general portion of the band" only makes sense to US hams. This is a worldwide hobby.

 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by VK5CC on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
When was contesting QSOING? The old 5/9 73 is hardly a QSO and we can all live without the splatter of contest stations on all the bands. To N9AVY: There is more splatter and crap spewed over the spectrum by modern solid state rigs and solid state linears than old boat-anchors. Give me a Collins S line, KWM-2, Drake's or the old Kenwood hybrid transceivers any day.The boat anchors still have signal qualities only modern rigs can dream of especially 3rd order imd products; and dsp processed audio; yuk no thanks! NO i would like to see contests on 12m only!!


Cheers from Chris.
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KD7EFQ on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Contests need to be limited to portions of the bands, not the whole band! Ragchewers constantly get bombarded on both sides or directly stomped on. There needs to be room for non-contesters on the bands as well, and propagation doesn't always favor the WARC bands for regional contacts. As you state, its like driving on a crowded freeway, but cars going in different directions have to stay in their respective lanes. 73.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N6AJR on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
after being a ham since 1978, I finally started contesting this year and I am having a ball. I am getting moderate scores but making lots of qso's that will help for dxcc etc.. and its fun. folks like to play games and contesting is just a new way to compete with other folks on our favorite hobby.. nice article..
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K6BBC on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I would not restrict contest to a portion of the band. Rarely is any QSO of interest interfered with.

K6BBC
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by AE4X on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Contesting is another aspect of the hobby to be enjoyed. For those that enjoy it..GREAT! One day I plan to learn more about it. No facet of the hobby should be looked down upon. I liken it to being on the water. Every boat...canoe, small craft to yacht should be respected and recognized. Not one individual is better out on the water. They all have their own controls and techniques to master in order to operate the craft of their choice. Same holds true for the radio operator..from the milliwatt QRP'er to the big guns with the antenna farms. Respect the other's choice and mode of operation and, most importantly, enjoy yourself.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by G3SEA on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

I really don't think most hams would want or could handle contest conditions every day BUT it is somewhat of a mystery as to where all those stations disappear to in the non contest periods ? :)
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KG4PZZ on December 7, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Personally, I would have abandoned HF a LONG time ago (ham radio all together, in fact) if it weren't for contests. I like to make the occassional contact here and there, but sometimes I just go nuts.

Yep, you're 95 years old, your old call was 1ABC, that was back in the days before the FCC. Oh, wait, I'm such a young squirt you need to explain to me the way the bands were back a'fore incentive licensing. Yep, that's right, you lost a whole 25kc of operating room back in '69! Of course, didn't matter much back in those days, you had crystals that you had to grind down with your teeth, and you used your mama's clothesline on sundays as an antenna, and

OK! I like old people, I really do. I like everybody I meet, usually. But some days, I just have no luck trying to get a good conversation going. I like hearing about the old days! I spent hours at K4ME's house when I was selling him a rig. It was like I was in a time capsule, really. Next to a solid-state Icom radio was a Drake setup, going out to a Johnson (I believe) matchbox to homebrew ladder line. It INTERESTED me. Listening to old guys talk about the boils on their rears does NOT interest me. Talk radio to me, I'll listen. Talk about anything remotely radio related, I'll listen. Heck, I'd love to hear about the time you spent in the Navy or fighting in Europe. No, I don't want to hear your gripe about that damn FCC taking away your Constitutional rights because 14,324.66KHz can't be YOUR frequency.

I've gone on to the point where I think you understand. Sometimes, a simple "Hey, good hearing you, name her is Bob, Baker Oscar Baker, you're about 5 by 7 into Manchester in England" ... it's nice. Really. I tell him my name, how his signal is, and where I am, get in, get out. I don't know how many doctors he has or anything, it's THAT nice.

Contests are like those contacts on steroids, with the added incentive of competition.

I like rag chewing -- I REALLY do. About two weeks ago, on a Sunday, the bands were WIDE OPEN. I made about 10 contacts in 2 hours, talking the entire time. I got lucky that day. Most of the time it just doesn't happen like that.

Fred
KG4PZZ
 
RE: THERE ARE SOME GOOD NETS  
by AH6RR on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Any of the Maritime nets serve A GREAT Service. Being a Retired Boat Captain and going through a nasty bit of weather a few times myself it's nice to have a freindly voice to talk too. So inconclusion K6BBC There are so very good nets that can also save lives.
And yes more people should operate when no contests are going on there are times when the whole 10m band is empty but the becons are booming in here.

73's and Aloha
Roland AH6RR
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KD5ALU on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K6BBC said "The days of Amateur Radio being useful to public service are long dead."

Then what are the amateur radio operators that do weather spotting for Skywarn doing? Or the amateures that volunteered during a local "Amber alert". And the list can go on and on. If you think public service is dead, you are not seeing what the hams in your area are doing.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K6BBC on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh give me a break. Most people in the real world don’t even know what ham radio is any more. Wake up. This hobby is in big trouble. That’s why 10 meters can be open and dead at the same time. We don’t have the numbers of active hams any more. They have been bored off the air.

K6BBC
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by W9WHE on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Contesters have their own website "contesting.com".
So WHY do contesters post this dribble here? The answer is simple, they just want to be antagonistic, start conflict, and sturr up trouble.

I think its about time to petition the FCC for a rule limiting contests to no more than 1/2 of each phone band segment. This posting is just the impetus I needed to start work on it!


 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by W9WHE on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, and since contesters are such great operators (LMAO) I'm sure they won't have any problem working in 1/2 the spectrum!
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by BUFFOON on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WHE blathered:
o I think its about time to petition the FCC for
o a rule limiting contests to no more than 1/2 of
o each phone band segment.

Hmm...a phone guy. Now, how did I *know* that?
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by BUFFOON on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WHE blathered:
> Contesters have their own website "contesting.com".
> So WHY do contesters post this dribble here?

Um, perhaps because they would be preaching to the converted?

> The answer is simple, they just want to be
> antagonistic, start conflict, and sturr up trouble.

Hello Pot, I'm Kettle, and you're black!

Oh, and the words are "drivel" and "stir". Oh, but in your case, maybe "dribble" is correct.
 
More positive acitivity on the bands  
by KC7MM on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Um, I thought the original question had to do with "wouldn't it be nice if the bands were more active?" Contesting was used as a example of this type of activity. The question posed wasn't pro- or anti-contest. Why does a simple question/comment bring up so much invective and bile from the same group of responders all the time? Don't you guys have a life away from your computer keyboards?

Thank you AE7G, and several others, for your clean, clear, positive responses. There are many bands and many modes. Let us please enjoy them together, and do so with a bit of civility.

For all the nay-sayers, I suggest you turn off your radios and computers and get outside for a while. Then ask your family physicians for a sample pack of Viagra. You need a little cheer in your lives.

Dale KC7MM
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by N4GI on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hey, you phone operators could always just use echolink, there ain't no contests there.... Might be hard to load your Alpha 99's up on 2.4ghz though.

Unless, of course you're using one of those fan-dipoles.


Blake N4GI
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K5AEA on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
As a fellow op here at K5UTD, I can assure everyone taking this to heart (or heart attack) one way or the other that John is not smoking anything but but a set of finals now and then (and even then, he didn't inhale). John's point is a good one if you take the time to actually read his article. He is simply saying that we sure wouldn't have to worry about things like loosing our spectrum if more people would get on the air and make some Qs, contest or not. I don't think that John was saying that we need more contests, just that the ones we have are valuable in a few different ways. For all of you out there that like to whine about your frequency being overrun by those contesting LIDS, I'm sorry that someone was a jerk to you at some point in your life, especially on the radio - maybe the ARRL contesting division or CQ Magazine will pay for your therapy.

It is funny that some of the people that have posted replies that disagree with John don't even have the gall to include their call. Speak up, disagree, that's the point here, but if you believe in what you're saying at least stand behind it.

Props to K6BBC, whom I happen to disagree with, but who has stuck around to both refute when others have disagreed and has been happy to let people know who he is. K6BBC, I would argue that some nets are worthwhile. Sometimes, they're kind of like insurance. You know that you won't have a car wreck every day, but I'm sure you still have your insurance card in your back pocket, or at least your policy tucked somewhere at home. I can give a very valid personal example where a net saved me a lot of hassle and was there to pass the health and welfare traffic that was desperately needed at the time.

I was spending some time a few years ago in El Salvador when I became violently ill. I had called my parents to inform them of this at my last opportunity, as knew I wouldn't have access to a telephone for a few days thereafter. Obviously they were concerned, and began making preparations to bring me home. A day later I unexpectedly came around and was back on my feet working again. Of course I wanted to let my parents know this so they wouldn't worry, but I didn't have access to a phone that would let me make an international call. Fortunately, one of my friends knew a ham in the area, and we visited his place and I was able to operate. I immediately tuned to 14.300 because I knew the maritime net would be there. Within minutes, a ham was kind enough to patch me through to my parents and I was able to let them know that my condition had improved and free them from a great deal of worry, as well as stopping them from making unnecessary plans for my premature return.

Sure, this isn't the same as the case where the Maritime net helped save the life of the boy whose ship was attacked off the coast of Peru, but there is that story as well.

I know at least a handful of people in this world who are thankful that the folks who frequent 14.3 kc are there day in and day out, just like a good insurance policy.

Back to the matter at hand, I don't think every day should be a contest, nor should we abolish the art either. Sure, it's annoying sometimes to always hear the 59 RX, even when they ask for the call 4 times, but it is a *contest* and that is the only way one can be competitive these days. Take that argument to the contest rulemaking folks and get it changed.

On the topic of DX stations not sitting to chat -- it is obvious that the writer of this comment has never been on the buisiness end of a really good pileup. Those out there who have worked high rates (which is a great thing to practice in contests) know that when there are 30 (or was it 300?) different people calling, you don't really feel like stopping to chat. If they do, as some of my friends at DX locales will when I break their pileup, the fellow ops out there wanting that new one for the log (most of whom aren't the big gun contesters or DXers, as they've already got that one in the log, thanks) like to gripe and whine and even make threats if you don't be quiet and let them work *their* new entity. And it is even better when that kind op takes it to the next level and sends his call constantly during every exchange so he can be next, or someone who doesn't like to do what these contesting or DXing folks like to do decides it is in everyone's best interest to QRM the frequency with dits or recorded static. That is just plain dumb. I like to rock climb, and there are others that don't. Fortunately they don't come along and cut my ropes just because they don't also partake in my chosen way of enjoying the great outdoors.

All of these fun little quirks in ham radio are life. Contesting isn't going anywhere. Get used to it. Join in and make a few Qs. Move your sked to the other part of the band that isn't being used (namely the other mode), or to one of the WARC bands. You did have to take a CW test to get that HF license of yours, right? You do own a key, right? Funny how I don't hear many CW ops griping about how their frequencies are being taken over by those QRMming contesters. Fact is there's elbow room to spare down there, and generally, CW ops are a lot more polite, contesting or not.

Of course, that's a whole other fire to pour the fuel on. (By the way, I am primarily an SSB man, for those who would ask)

Cheers to all, see you in the pileups (and just tuning around the band other times)

K5AEA
http://www.k5aea.com
http://ham.utdallas.edu
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref RadioBob: Amen...last week i was working psk31 on 20. The cw contesters got right on the edge of the band there and qrmed us all. Each dit and dah sent a spike that cleared the whole band segment. Blanking out the psk31 copy. I went above them and ask them to move in their own lingo on cw.. and it only made more of them show up. These were 3's and 4's 40 over on the s-meter..so i know they were hearing me just as good. Its not just the phone guys anymore. All their eyes roll up in the tops of their heads and they "all" act like a bunch of cbers on channel 19. No respect..i ended up running power on the top edge of the psk segment to keep it clear for the folks down the band from me. The folks in europe loved it...the cw contesters went back up the band..guess they kind of did'nt like it. Hi Hi.

73
Merry Christmas All:
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
John spoke the only language contesters understand....more power. Bravo!
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by WA3KYY on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RE: Contests should be banned! Reply
by W9WHE on December 8, 2003

"I think its about time to petition the FCC for a rule limiting contests to no more than 1/2 of each phone band segment. This posting is just the impetus I needed to start work on it!"

That will not have any effect since the FCC only has control over a small percentage of the world's hams or are you going to petition all the equivalent bodies in all the countries of the world that have amateur radio?
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by AB4VV on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Over the years I have had non hams in my shack that seemed very interested in ham radio. Upon tuning the bands I would come across some good QSOs where people could actually meet and talk to others here in the USA and just about everywhere else in the world. This makes for good relations, people getting to know others opinions and living conditions in other parts of the world,etc. BUT, I would also come across someone calling CQ 10-10 and then have to explain why that person did not want to talk when I answered his/her CQ. Now after giving a 'Paid For' 10-10 number to another for no good reason the question I would get from the non ham was "Why would someone just sit there and collect numbers for no good reason"? I finally give up trying to explain this as I have no idea why they do this! NOW, moving on to contesters, I have also tried to explain to a non ham why someone would spend thousands of dollars on ham equipment not to mention all the time and effort in getting an amateur license to just say "CQ Contest" "Your 59" and do it all over again all weekend. If you have never had a non ham into your shack during a contest I suggest you go and find a neighbor or any non ham and just try and explain what the purpose of the contest is. I give up trying, non hams look at you as if you are completly nuts because if you in a rational way sit back and look at what a contest is you can only come to the same fact that the non ham comes to "It Makes No Rational Sense"

I know that many people have trouble talking to other people and perhaps contests serve a purpose as "therapy" for these shy people but I dont think that ham radio should be a "Mental health clinic" for people phobic hams! I love ham radio, I love talking to my friends every night, I love collecting QSL cards from around the world and getting to know some other hams in other parts of the world. BUT, to make ham radio a "Mental health clinic" for the people phobic hams is not my idea of ham radio.

Most contesters give the reason for contesting as it promotes good amateur practice. To this I say, "What have you been smoking"! Contesters are the rudest and break every rule in the band plans and just run willy nilly all over the bands creating hate and discontent. Calling CQ Contest 1 kc from my QSO is NOT good amateur practice!
 
More contests  
by WB2WIK on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Contests certainly do stir up a lot of activity, don't they?

Interesting that my modest 160m inverted vee worked stations all over the world last weekend during the ARRL 160m Contest that I normally don't hear, ever, until the next contest.

The ARRL 10m contest is next weekend, and regardless of propagation, the band will be full of signals.

I agree with the article. It would indeed be more interesting if there were "always" contests!
 
RE: More contests  
by W9WHE on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I GUESS I JUST PREFER QUALITY TO QUANTITY.

 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by KA3POY on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks to all those who posted thoughtful comments accompanied by their callsigns.

Deep regrets about those whose posts include the business about "so I just turned on my mega-KW amplifier and blah blah blah". Kinda like those creepy fat guys one meets at gun shows brandishing the latest assault gear, notwithstanding the fact that their physical condition precludes them from any real combat duty. I guess from a societal point of view that we would prefer insecure people play with linear amplifiers rather than firearms, but jeeeez.

I frequently hear other ops do/say things that I disagree with on the air. I try NEVER to QRM them back because I do not want to become part of the problem.

73

Tim
N5IIT, was KA3POY
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by NI0C on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Your article reminded me of the "Novice Roundup" contest that ARRL sponsored. As I recall, it spanned at least a week and generated lots of worthwhile code practice activity for the Novices as they pursued their WAS awards.
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by WR8D on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Re K5IIT: How'd you know i was over weight and had all the latest types of assault gear and several "big" amplifiers??

Let me clear the air a little here sir...I dont contest..but i dont think i'm any better than you "just because you do that". There's so many aspects to this wonderful hobby. There's something in it for everyone. Lets stop looking down our nose at others because maybe they enjoy the hobby a little differantly. An yes i have big amps and big antennas...and no when i'm ragchewing with my friends on "any" freq there are no contests taking place on that freq.

Any green horn just starting out is taught good amateur practice is keeping 3kc away from another station on either side of the frequency he's on. Now you guys are saying the bands are'nt busy so you should be able easily to find a place not in my window to call cq contest. Most you guys probably cant have a normal ragchew. I know some folks that love nets. They will not call cq on any band..they just want to sit on a net and make a comment from time to time. But we dont talk down at them because they enjoy that and we dont. Oh but you contesters..the rest of us are not up to your standards. "thank God" imagine if all of us just keyed up when ever we wanted to without asking if a freq was in use. Or keyed right down on top of a qso already in progress...Or got just a few cycles off freq from a qso and started calling cq contest. There's already a band like that with operators like that...yeah you know what i'm talking about..11 meters.

73 all
John WR8D
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by WB4QNG on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To each his own. I kind of like them even if my scores are low. In my old novice days everday was a contest. You gave a signal report, your name, qth, rig, and antenna. If your were lucky you might get a wheather report. Then your arm was so tired it was time to quit. I understand what he was trying to say. He would like to see more activity on the bands.
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by K6BBC on December 8, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Dear K5AEA,

We need more young hams like you to offset the amount of old geezers who seem to be populating our ham bands. Keep up the good work and try to interest your non-ham friends to join. The hobby you save may be your own.

K6BBC
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N0FP on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
The responders to this thread that are against contesting have never tried it, never understood it, and never bothered to observe the 99.9% of law abiding, courteous contesters.

What is contesting about? Well, after you've worked all 332 (or whatever) countries on the planet, papered your wall with awards earned on nothing but wire, and talked to every ham within 3000 miles of your QTH on 75 meters, then take a look at contesting.

"599 IL" is just a tag to identify the location of the station being worked. When you can work them through the noise, bad conditions, poor propagation, equipment failures, personal limitations, and prove it by generating enough S/N on the other end to do it quickly, quicker than the rest of the pack, then you've built something special.

Contesting is a delicate balance between skill, art, and science. How many rag chewers have dropped $35K on a new tower, making it their third tower? Put 5 over 5 over 5 along its length? Could you make this monster turn from its base with the grace of a ballerina using less effort than climbing the basement stairs? Now phase the array to run them separately. Can they listen to rain drops? Can they hear echoes from the moon? Can they integrate a computer to control the whole mess with the flip of a switch or pointing with a mouse? Can they operate the whole system remotely? Now post these results automatically to a master server on the web and share the news with all like equipped people on the planet in < 3 seconds!Is there equipment good enough to land a WAS award on a single night? How about DXCC in one afternoon? How about DXCC on one band in one weekend?

How many rag chewers on 75M have furthered the art and science known as ham radio? Is the world a better place now that they've shared their bunyon story with the whole world the third time this afternoon? Contesters are proving equipment, systems, and methods. Some guys will burn up more stuff in one weekend than most have owned in a lifetime! The amp either makes it to 23:59:59 at full power or she melts down! And they learn from it. And the manufacturers learn from it. And they rebuild it better. And the world is a better place. To a large extent, contesters are paying the freight for a large share of what is known as ham radio. How many contesters are ARRL members? How many bunyon toting Allis Chalmers owners overdriving their old Hallicrafters on 75 meters can stake the same claim? It would be interesting to see the contributions to the spectrum defense fund after parsing them between contest lovers and contest haters.

There's room for everyone. Rag chewers welcomed. Novices are welcomed. Contesters are welcomed. Old codgers with bunyons and Allis Chalmers tractors with their AM boatanchors are welcomed. Stop bad mouthing people until you at least understand the what, why, who, and how of it all.

Ford-N0FP
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by N0FP on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE
Wants to petition the FCC to ban contests? Better think again.

That's a two-edged sword. Perhaps you should give part 97.307 (d) a close read...


(d) The mean power of any spurious emission from a station transmitter or external RF power amplifier transmitting on a frequency below 30 MHz must not exceed 50 mW and must be at least 40 dB below the mean power of the fundamental emission. For a transmitter of mean power less than 5 W, the attenuation must be at least 30 dB. A transmitter built before April 15, 1977, or first marketed before January 1, 1978, is exempt from this requirement.


So you want the band filled with boatanchors instead? Well, I wonder how long it would take the FCC to ban boat anchors when contesters petition to have (d) deleted from part 97? Drop part (d) and every old rig will get moved to a back room shelf, or dumpstered, along with all the spark gap transmitters.

Why on earth would be so contentious as to attempt to monitor QSO content? Next time, connect the brain before shooting off the mouth... Live and let live OM!

Ford-N0FP
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by AH6RR on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
United We Stand, Divided We Fall. BLP will be the end of us all. So stop the Bickering and Whining and lets work this out. I got into ham radio in 86 moved from Texas to Hawaii in 87 I got all my gear stolen in 89 the bickering and moaning was going on back then and it sucked then and it sucks now. I was inactive for 13 years. I picked up the hobby again 4 months ago and got my ticket upgraded to Extra I was hoping that everyone would have gotten better by now. But sadly no. Do you remember your first DX contact? How excited you were? Or maybe you made a lifelong freind on the air Thats what this hobby is all about. Having fun Right? Learning things Right? If you dont like contests then load up the wife and kids (if any) and drive to the lake, beach, park ect and have a picnic, go fishing ect. and have some fun or if you have no kids maybe take the wife out for a romantic weekend thats what I do. Or sometimes I will join in for a few contacts. K5AEA has some great comments Thanks.


Now for some thoughts on trying to fix some things If your in a contest and someone is calling contest less than 2.5 kcs from a ongoing QSO dont call him. There thats simple. And if your in a contest Try a HC-5 element instead of a HC-4 Thats what I use and I have no problem busting the pileups on the first or second call using a dipole and 100w. And DSP audio what kind of junk are they tring to sell us there? It sounds way too crummy and crappy for me to ever want to use ( I am the sound man at my church and we run top of the line equipment and Never will any of my recording sound that funky) It reminds me of the kids with the 2000w stereo's and all you can hear is the bass and little to no highs. Do the Brodcast stations sound like that? I dont think so. And as for amps use them sparingly if the station you want to work is 10db over S9 then a amp is not needed at all if hes S3 then turn it on but you do not need it ALL THE TIME.
There now that I have fixed the world it's your turn to think about the first thing I said.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall. BLP will be the end of us all. SO LETS STOP FIGHTING AMOUNGST OURSELFS AND JOIN TOGETHER FOR THE HOBBY BEFORE WE LOOSE IT ALLTOGHTER.

73's
Roland AH6RR
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by KE2IV on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
N0FP,

What in the world has your post have to do with the issue proposed?

The original poster did not suggest that the presence, or lack thereof, of contesters would result in the return on "boat achnor" rigs.

As to the rest of the drivel that both preceded and followed his post - - same old, same old. Heard it all before.

er...haven't we all?

Now if I was King of the World I'd limit "global" contests to the ARRL DX ones plus FD and SS (both Phone and CW) and dang the rest.

[Sorry CQ Mag - but I never did think your contests were anything more than a way to keep your mag alive!]

Any other 'unapproved" contests should be restricted to CW during weekdays because it's about time these CW-forever clowns were faced with the responsibility of proving to all of us "phone guys" that there really is a need for the damned code!

An AE and a ham for 40+ years,
George
KE2IV
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KE2IV on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
AH6RR,

Hey dude, it's BPL, not BLP!

With you on our side, I fear we are doomed to lose!

37,
KE2IV
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Old tired argument #1:
> > Contests need to be limited to portions of the
> > bands, not the whole band!"

Most (98%?) contests are mode specific - those that aren't are usually one band only (e.g., ARRL 10m)

So...use the other half of the band. Or is it being suggested that hams are single-mode guys? Sounds pretty limiting to me...


Old tired argument #2:
> > There needs to be room for non-contesters on
> > the bands as well

I guess it's being suggested that ragchewers/net operators have more right to a set of frequencies than several hundred to a thousand contesters?

Now who's being selfish?


Old tired argument #3:
> > I prefer quality to quantity.

This kind of statement is obviously a sanctimonious attempt to insult the operations of a contester. "Quality" is very much in the eye of the beholder. Working lots of stations quickly in a contest takes quite a high quality station... effectively working long path or other "off" propagation paths takes a high quality operator to know when to look. Contesters strive to achieve these and many other goals. Don't let the short QSOs fool you.

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by WA3KYY on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KE2IV wrote:

"Now if I was King of the World I'd limit "global" contests to the ARRL DX ones plus FD and SS (both Phone and CW) and dang the rest."

You would deny all the other countries of the world the right to sponsor their contests? You would eliminate the Worked All Europe contests, the Russian DX contest, the Scandavian Acitvity Contest, etc? You do realize the ARRL DX contests require the rest of the world to only work US and Canada stations. Kind of unfair to the rest of the world's hams to make that the only global contest. And FD and SS are basicly US/VE only contests as well.

 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by AH6RR on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry for the typo it was late. I ment BPL not BLP.
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by RobertKoernerExAE7G on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
We knew it was a tpyo.
73
Bob
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by N4GI on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE:
<<<I think its about time to petition the FCC for a rule limiting contests to no more than 1/2 of each phone band segment.>>>

How many FCC petitions are we up to now, anyway? Anyone keeping track?

Blake N4GI

 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by NI0C on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
In the middle of a filibuster, KE2IV began a sentence with: "Now if I was King of the World ..."

Most of us are glad you aren't.

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WA3KYY on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
AH6RR wrote:

"There now that I have fixed the world it's your turn to think about the first thing I said.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall. BLP(sic) will be the end of us all. SO LETS STOP FIGHTING AMOUNGST OURSELFS AND JOIN TOGETHER FOR THE HOBBY BEFORE WE LOOSE IT ALLTOGHTER."


I agree that BPL is a huge problem, bigger than all this other petty bickering that has been going on since the first time one ham QRM'd another back in the days of spark. But we are making progress. Commissioner Abernathy of "broadband nirvana" fame stated in an address in Atlanta on Nov 19th that incumbant licensed services must be protected from the affects of BPL. (see the thread on the Anti-BPL form letter for congress). Also, FEMA has just weighed in stating the need to protect vital National Security HF communications networks, including amateur radio, from inteference by BPL. (See ARRL Web site). While this is promising, we cannot assume the battle is won and must keep up the pressure.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE,

I thought conservatives like you were all about LESS government. As long as it serves YOUR purpose, I guess that makes it okay.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
N0FP writes:

"How many rag chewers have dropped $35K on a new tower, making it their third tower"?

So now, in addition to "might makes right" contesters say that because my station is more expensive than yours, you don't matter?
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by W9WHE on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
N0FP writes:

"W9WHE
Wants to petition the FCC to ban contests?"


Go back and re-read my post. What I suggested was that the time has come to limit contests to 1/2 the spectrum on each band. I've told you a hundred million zillion times, stop exaggerating!


 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
N2MG writes:

"Quality" is very much in the eye of the beholder".

It is? I guess it also depends on what your definition of the word "is" is?
 
RE: Contests should be banned!  
by N2MG on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WHE repeats old tired argument #2:

"...the time has come to limit contests to 1/2 the spectrum on each band."

Go use the CW part of the band when phone is crowded 3 or 4 weekends a year. Or are you a single-mode op?

N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Re N0FP..well if you'd get your nose out of the clouds long enough to see you'd find there are many on 75 meters that have done just as you ask. These ragchewers which seem to be a nasty word to you have advanced the art of hamradio and are infact building and tinkering today. Example. where do you think the amplfier pulser came from that you use to tune up your amp before you qrm everybody to death at contest time...why it came off 75 meters from some ole farts about 15-20 years ago...the one i own was given to me back then by the ham that invented it. There's another friend on 75 that repairs those alpha's under contract that you weirdo's manage to blow up and dont have knowledge to repair yourselves. Many of his mod's are out there today in modern amps. See you dont know it all but you run your mouth here trying to impress others. I'm a ragchewer and might not have 35 grand in a tower but i have over 40 grand in my radio equiptment and shack..but that just does not make me any better than the next guy if you get my point. Oh and one more little simple item if you like those peak reading kits that will make any watt meter a peak reader...well guess what...that come off 75 meters too. I have one of those originals also. You need to get the facts before you start "qrming" the thread...but thats just the way most you guys are.

73
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
John:

You just don't get it...contesters are legends in their own minds. They see themselves as the "super elete" with "superior skills". As a result, mere mortal hams like you and me should be bowing down and paying homage to these super-heros because they are sooooooo superior. I, for one, am nobody because I just have a MK-V and an Alpha 99. What's your excuse?
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE:

Your posts started off by slamming contesters personally, long before any (in your perception) elitist statements by contesters. Your agenda is obvious. You lump all contesters in one heap, blaming them for all the ills you suffer when operating your (apparently) ONLY mode.

YOU are the one who doesn't "get it".

Mike N2MG
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh Jesus.....

NOT another "anti-contest" thread! ZZZZZZZ

Hint-if you don't like contests, don't do them. I worked as hard as you to get my ticket (harder than most by having my Dad drive me 180 miles to the FCC Field office), so, I have the right to contest.

Having said that, during the SSB sweepestakes this year, I had 2 seperate times that a fellow came on freq & told me they were starting a net up in a just a little while. Both were gentleman, & I moved. I was rewarded with a few extra Q's.

Now, I have had guys just come on freq, ZERO beating me, calling their pal to talk about thier lastest aches, pains, or surgerys. No QRL, or anything. Yep, contesters do that too, but, I try to listen first.

Funny, I'm sitting here listening to 160, its dead 'cept for one or two QSO's going on. I called CQ about 8 times on CW, about 5 on SSB, made 2 contacts. I actually DO have an antenna on this band BTW. Last weekend, I made 450 QSO's on about 6 hours, all were "quality" QSO's, most where with old friends.

What the heck is a "quality" QSO anyway? Maybe this:
"the wx is cold & snowy", or maybe "I'm using a YaesuKenwoodICOMTentec at 100 w & a G5RV". Maybe "I just came back from the DR, I has a large goiter removed today".

Quality? Hardly!

QUIT YOUR CRYING!

73-Chuck KI9A
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To W9WHE:

I recall your dribble about an FCC petition about a year ago on this site, am I correct?? If you feel so strongly about this, PLEASE start the petition, all talk, no action I guess.

Let me know when you do, because I WILL help you, only if you include NO NETS, SKEDS, OR "QUALITY" QSOS are allowed on the contest portion! Agreed??

73-Chuck KI9A
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2WEC on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
The bands are of use and there are times I just keep the radio on. As a result this past summer I was a able to hear a call for help. I made a call to and kept in contact with the US Coast Guard and initiated the successful rescue of a diver in distress in Lake Erie. The bands and nets are alive and useful. If there was a contest going on I would not have heard the distress call and the diver may have died. Not much more to say.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2WEC on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K6BBC,
Who are you to say that a contest rarely interupts a QSO of any interest? Every QSO is of interest to some ham somewhere, like to two people in that QSO. I think you need to take your meds and rethink your inferior position.
N2WEC
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE sez:
<<<Go back and re-read my post. What I suggested was that the time has come to limit contests to 1/2 the spectrum on each band. I've told you a hundred million zillion times, stop exaggerating!>>>

Uh, no, re-read your post. You said "I think its about time to petition the FCC for a rule limiting contests to no more than 1/2 of each PHONE band segment". Are you implying that CW operators are superior in that they are able to "police" themselves, and need no "improvement" from your petitions? Maybe there's nobody bothering you while you are operating CW? Perhaps there is no such thing as a "quality" CW qso anyway? Hmmmm....

Blake N4GI
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC8VWM on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

"Quality" is very much in the eye of the beholder".

"I've told you a hundred million zillion times, stop exaggerating!"

"All their eyes roll up in the tops of their heads and they "all" act like a bunch of cbers on channel 19"

"What the heck is a "quality" QSO anyway?"

"Listening to old guys talk about the boils on their rears does NOT interest me."

"Any other 'unapproved" contests should be restricted to CW during weekdays because it's about time these CW-forever clowns..."

"Next time, connect the brain before shooting off the mouth... Live and let live OM!"

"I got all my gear stolen in 89 the bickering and moaning was going on back then and it sucked then and it sucks now."

etc...etc...etc....

After reading all these quality posts on eham promoting the goodwill of Amateur Radio there is really only one thing to say...


CQ Contest, CQ Contest, CQ Contest

:)

KC8VWM

 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by VK5CC on December 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
TO KE2IV AND WR8D--Well said Gents contesting has its place just not over the entire band. N0FP:35 Grand on a tower hey?, you have more money than sense. I mean all that signal to scream your 5/9/73 to then plaster useless and meaningless bits of paper over your wall? WELL at least you have a great supply of toilet paper old man hahaha!

QUESTION:WHAT DO CONTESTERS USE FOR CONTRACEPTION?
YEP; THERE PERSONALITIES!!HAHA :-)


Chris.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC8VWM on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

VK5CC,

Chris, I couldn't help but notice that you have a very interesting peronality.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K6BBC on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
N2WEC

I have been a ham for 35 years. I can still remember when finding out what the other guy was running meant something. Now??? Most hams I hear sound totally bored with the hobby. And many many today are interested in only talking to people they know. And another thing N2WEC. Lay off my meds – they keep the voices out of my head – most of the time. In fact, the voices in my head are more interesting than 99% of the QSO I hear on the bands.

73 N2WEC
K6BBC
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KD7EZE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Contests are almost as boring as this thread, but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy field day, but contesting more than this once-a-year event is irrelevant. Plastering your walls with QSL cards is also weird, in todays standards. Not my idea of interior design. Out!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K6BBC wrote:
<<
Most hams I hear sound totally bored with the hobby.
>>

This is a good point. Contesters are rarely "bored". Perhaps the anti-contesters (and dare I say the anti-Morse crowd) are bored with ham radio and this is why they troll they way they do - it livens up their lives. One thing's for sure, they cannot stand that others may be having fun doing something that they themselves cannot enjoy.

Maybe the rest of us should just let them vent their vitriol, if that's what makes 'em happy! Better here than on the bands. ;-)

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W4PA on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>>>After 33 years of being a Ham, I still can't see the value or fun in contesting. Why would anyone want to sit on the air, hour after hour, simply to give another station a false (everyone is 5 by 9!) signal report? and mundane exchange of other information?<<<

Amazing how with a one word change, we can get a whole new meaning. Let's try it this way:

"After 33 years of being a Ham, I still can't see the value or fun in ragchewing. Why would anyone want to sit on the air, hour after hour, simply to give another station a false (everyone is 5 by 9!) signal report? and mundane exchange of other information?"

Yawn. Of course, I've only been a ham 21 years, so I'd have to change that as well.

Scott W4PA
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by W9WHE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Mike:

When someone posts an article advocating MORE contests HERE, they incite ill will. Everyone knows that when you post a "we want more more contest..." here, what the reaction is.

Wanna be a "your 5/9 Arkansas" guy? Fine. Wanna be a legend in your own mind? Fine. But if you come here and start that stuff, EVERYBODY KNOWS what the response will be.

The REAL QUESTION is this. Given the ENORMUS and widespread ill will that contests (and some contesters) engender, WHY do contesters keep posing articles like this on THIS SITE? Why not do it on contest.com where such articles will be embraced? I submit it is because they like to incite.

Sure, you are free to post here. But we are also free to respond. The response to articles like this is predictable. So why INCITE fellow hams? One word "attitude".


 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE's M.O:

1.) Find a thread where he can be the center of attention.

2.) Blame people who don't share his interests and/or beliefs for the ills of everything.

3.) When backed into a corner like a scared little schoolboy, remind everybody that he has a MkV and an Alpha.

OM, maybe you should pay attention to some of your spam, especially the ones about growing a bigger one. Need a hug? I know a lot of people who enjoy both contesting and ragchewing. Who says they are mutually exclusive?
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by W9WHE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K1OU:

by calling be a bragger aren't you just a tad hippocritical? After all a fellow contester, N0FP writes:

"How many rag chewers have dropped $35K on a new tower, making it their third tower? Put 5 over 5 over 5 along its length? Could you make this monster turn from its base with the grace of a ballerina using less effort than climbing the basement stairs? Can they listen to rain drops? Can they hear echoes from the moon?

And you have the nerve to ccriticize meas a bragger? Just more contester hippocrite tripe!

 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by AD6WL on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I like the idea of having a contest that would last from Monday thru Friday. These are the times when the HF bands are dead and I believe that this kind of contest would help bring more activities to the bands. With a contest like this we would be able to get on a little every day and make some contacts.

73, Jim
AD6WL
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, I forgot one...

4.) When trying to appear intelligent, display the spelling skills of a third grader.
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
And it is funny that you didn't address the first two items of that post, John-Boy.
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by W9WHE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I ask you the same question.
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I think I have, John-Boy.....are you really THAT dense?
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC8VWM on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!


>>>Plastering your walls with QSL cards is also weird.<<<

Yep, we are all a bunch of strange geeky group of individuals that named ourselves after a chunk of meat; Collect enough radio equipment to start our own space stations; Drive vehicles around that resemble something from a science fiction movie; Obsess over miles of wire and aluminum tubing; Meet annually at the mothership in Dayton,... and you think that plastering your walls with QSL cards is weird or something ?!

:)

Charles - KC8VWM

(For some strange reason I seem to like it?!)
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by N4GI on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE:
<<WHY do contesters keep posing articles like this on THIS SITE?>>

Well, we don't have the link to the W9WHE sponsored anti-contest web page.

<<I submit it is because they like to incite.>>

The remark of a true renaisance visionary. And if anyone is a specialist on the topic on INCITING, it's you DUDE!


Blake N4GI


 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by W9WHE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sorry, Jerry, sometimes I am a little dense, did you call N0FP a bragger?
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by N0FP on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE

I never said "I" ever did or can even do the things I used as an example. I can hardly be bragging about my little pip squeak station (45' Rohn 25G, 746, SB1000, etc.) I described the "third $35K tower, dancing like a ballerina, bounce signals off the moon" etc., because there are numerous contesters that have done and can do those things. I happen to have great respect for them and their skills. One of my life-time goals is to acquire the skills and assemble "world class" station equipment.

I also have great respect for those that run and participate in the various useful nets, like 14.300 MMN. I don't run them down. I don't run them off. I have great respect for their energy and skill.

Further, I admire those that choose to restore old equipment. As a child, my fantasy was to own such equipment. I envy those that are able to spend the time, the money, and demonstrate their skill by maintaining complex equipment.

Taking offense at "5/9 NY" is somewhat weird in my mind. The "exchange" is an indication of establishing a communications link. Once that link is established, telling something about his last visit to the proctologist is an option, an option most contesters choose not to exploit (thankfully). But the communications link is what is important. Landing 100 countries in an evening is quite a challenge. Just like finishing a 2200 piece jig-saw puzzle is a challenge. Making derogatory comments about the simplicity of the exchange is clearly infantile.

I have two questions, which I would like you to address with as much clarity as you can muster. 1) WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? and 2) HAVE YOU SOUGHT PROFESSIONAL HELP FOR YOUR OBVIOUS PERSONALITY FLAWS? You have responded to just about every post to this thread with a negative attitude. You have attempted to belittle everything about ham radio that many choose to charish with great passion. Get a life!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by VK5CC on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
TO KC8VWM

Thank-you very much.



73 DE Chris.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RE W9WHE: well i'm in the same boat as you only its an alpha 89 and icom 775dsp...Poor ole inferior us! Maybe one of these days when we grow up we can be rude and obnoxious on the air like a contester. "NOT"

Merry Christmas:
John WR8D
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by W9WHE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
John:

As you know, some contesters view themselves as so supeiror to mere mortal hams, that they think they can attack us with libelious insults.

Merry Christmas
 
RE: Why do contesters incite trouble?  
by N4GI on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<<libelious insults>>

Oooops.... I would think that an attorney should know how to spell this one. Do you mean to write libelous?


Blake N4GI

 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC9FAV on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Since I have only been a ham for about 2 weeks I am unable to speak up for the years of experience of the "Seasoned" hams but if I may add to the contesting comment...
My dad has been a ham operator for about 2 years now and prevously had his first ticket in 1973.
We were working a 20/40 meter contest at the beginning of this last November.
My dad had a goal in mind of about 100 contacts and was trying "WAS".
We were working at the "Multi" level and I came by to help him out. The contesting arena was very new to me and I had to get used to it very quickly mostly the documentation portion of it but being a computer savy individual I picked it up.
I started to make contacts mostly just hunting them down but as I got into it I ran across some very nice people and I started to feel the rush from the other QSO's and really started to enjoy it. My dad asked me if I wanted to trade off and I just gave him this sorta "Are you kidding?" look. As I remember there was one contact in particulal that I had to work at and finnaly let out a yell of joy when I got it.
I had to work the next day and time slipped away from me and my dad had to send me home.
I do like contesting so far and I hope to meet many of you.
We accually got 115 contacts for the contest.

'73
Brian KC9FAV
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by AD6WL on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Some advantages to having a contest that goes from Monday to Friday:

1.) Increased activity on the bands when it is the least used.

2.) Changing band conditions over a 5-day period.

3.) Time to work on more bands than during a standard contest.

4.) Slower periods would allow for some rag chewing during the contest.

5.) You could operate whenever you have free time and not have to use up the entire weekend.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
No, John-Boy, I didn't call N0FP anything. It is your nagging propensity to twist things out of context to suit your myopic view of the world. Come join us sometime for a contest, you might have fun. On second thought, nevermind. We are much better off with you sitting here on this site monitoring every post like an anal retentive crossing guard bitching about the things over which you have zero control. It leaves more room for us contest types to have fun. You can either live in the answer or live in the problem. It is obvious which path you have chosen. I sincerely apologize for your misery.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Some contesters sure get testy when you get the better of them!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by RobertKoernerExAE7G on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Yup.

Sure would be an awful state of affairs if 10 and 15 were as full of people as they are during a contest. I just don’t know if I could take it, tuning around for a clear spot, instead of tuning around for a signal. Same with 20 meters lately. It would just be horrible if the sun spot cycle was +/- 10% of the last peak for the entire cycle.

What on earth would we do bands full of people having fun?

I think we ought to petition the FCC to bring back the Wood Pecker!

;-))

Bob
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
John-Boy,

Grow up.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ya see,

What we have here is an example (W9WHE) of a self-serving, infantile little person who thinks that everybody should be just like him. When people don't see it like our test example, he is prone to finger pointing, name calling, and attempting in his small mind to justify his actions by manipulating things people say and do so it will conform to his small little world. He has to compartmentalize everything in order for him to understand it, because if he has no control over something, it must be a bad thing, further justifying his rationalizations born of fears, doubts, insecurities and frustrations. It must be awfully hard, John-Boy. So, crank up your MkV, your Alpha, hop on 20 meters, and spread your kindness and generosity all over the world. Unlike you, Jonathan, I am not so short-sighted to think that the world revolves around me. You must be absolutely shivering inside that cold shell of an existence that you consider a life. If you look hard enough, John-Boy, you will find that there is help available to assist you with your cranial-rectal inversion.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC8VWM on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

>>> I am unable to speak up for the years of experience of the "Seasoned" hams but if I may <<<<

Sounds tasty to me...and just in time for Christmas!


>>>Some contesters sure get testy when you get the better of them!<<<<

Again, sounds tasty to me...


>>>>As you know, some contesters view themselves as so supeiror to mere mortal hams<<<<

Yes, my son... You may now address me as Zeus... Watch the bolt of lightning strike the sky from my antenna as I call CQ Contest...


>>>>TO KC8VWM Thank-you very much. 73 DE Chris. <<<<

Your most welcome!. Happy holidays :)
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC8VWM on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

>>>I think we ought to petition the FCC to bring back the Wood Pecker! <<<

Woody Wood Pecker was a ham? ha-ha-Ha-HA-ha, ha-ha-Ha-HA-ha.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<<<I do like contesting so far and I hope to meet many of you.
We accually got 115 contacts for the contest.>>>

Killer! Congratulations Brian! I think your post pretty much answers the question asked as to why contesting is discussed here. New folks = more Q's = more fun, which is what the original point of this posting author, right? Despite narrow-minded agendas and mind numbing cut-n-paste rhetoric, more great operators (Alpha 99's or not) are getting on board all the time.

Try to get on for the 10M contest this weekend, Brian. Use your contesting experience to keep polishing your skills and station capabilities.....

73,
Blake N4GI
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC9FAV on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for your support Blake N4GI!!!

Did I mention that I only have a Tech license??
I had to use my Dad's callsign for this particular contest.

Being new to this hobby I know people do take it seriously and I have taken it seriously.
I tried to take the code exam and failed it mostly because I really studied the material for the exam and didn't work as hard on code as I should have. The VE's that gave me the test said that I was accually further along in learning code than I thought and that I should keep at it because I will pass it next time.
So now I will study the General book and pass that one along with code.

Again Thanks for the support and I really hope to meet you some time.

' 73

Brian
KC9FAV
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W5HTW on December 10, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Let's try it without radio, to compare contesting with ragchewing and understand the reasons why we might do either. Or both!

Contesting: Go to the mall during Christmas season. Extend your right hand. Dash madly through the mall bumping into everyone possible. At each contact, say, "Hi, how are you doing?" The person answers, "Fine. How are you?" (Of course, neither of you gives a damn.) "Thanks. Hope to see you again." Dash madly to the next person and repeat the process. Log each 'contact.'

Ragchewing: Go to the mall during Christmas season. Send the significant other into the store with a stack of credit cards. Plop down on a bench near the coffee shop. When someone sits down next to you, catch his eye, and ask him how he's doing. "Fine," he says, "but getting a bit tired of this hassle." "Yep," you reply. The conversation rolls along about how commercial Christmas is, how tired you are, how his feet hurt from walking, how you are cringing at the thought of your credit card bills. Then your wife arrives, and you turn to the man on the bench and wish him "Season's Greetings," and you walk away.

I'll be honest. I prefer the ragchewing. I met someone to talk with, not a lifelong friend, but just an interesting person. Now he's gone and that's OK. But I remember his face and maybe his name. Maybe even his wife's name, and he may remember mine. I recall how he told me he's tired and his feet hurt.

But is the other way wrong? Nah, I don't think so. It is a more frenetic form of life than that to which I am accustomed, and if that mad contestor dashes up to me and asks me how I'm doing, I'll probably respond.

We leave the mall, he and I. He has "met" 438 people. He doesn't know a one of them. His hand is tired and sweaty. He told each one of them he hopes to see them again but he really, down deep, hopes not until the next mad mall dash.

I met one person. I know his name and he knows mine. We may have talked about bunyans or arthritis or a Carribean vacation or working for the railroad. We may have discovered we have both been pilots, both once lived in Morocco. Yet, we may never meet again. We didn't exchange phone numbers or addresses. But we passed some pleasant time together.

Which way pleases you? Neither way is wrong, and neither of us has the right to declare the other wrong, or, as K6BBC suggests, that the 'ragchew' was uninteresting and therefore "in the way," implying it is not even a legitimate form of amateur radio.

I'm fortunate. I'm mostly retired, which leaves me free to operate during the week when I want to. On weekends I don't hate the contestors. I just find things around the house to do, or I monitor the MMSN on 14300 while working on the computer. And by the way, another valuable net is the Pacific Seafarer's Net, while we are on that subject, tracking private vessels throughout the western Pacific Ocean. Slow down and listen sometime.

Enjoy the hobby

Ed
.... And Season's Greetings!



 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KC8VWM on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Gee Ed... you actually have a valid point there..

Warmest Regards for the holiday season

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by CURMUDGEON on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
eham.net has become a forum for the lunatic fringe, this thread is another example.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W8MW on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W5HTW: Very nicely crafted set of comments. Last night I had one of those "worthless" ragchews on 75 SSB. We started out as strangers but by the end of the contact learned things about each other and found that we had many shared interests. Over the years I have come to really appreciate amateur radio's capacity to set the stage for friendships to be made. One of the advantages of 75 meters is the liklihood you will meet up again with that new friend and it won't be limited to just a one time thing.

Ragchew vs. Contest debates never change anybody's mind and always turn ugly. I don't know if inciting another squabble was the intent of the author. But if his point is simply we need more regular, daily on-air activity, he's got my agreement.

73, Mike W8MW
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KB5HWS on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

W8MW,

Inciting a squabble was not my intention. My point was to try to capture the majesty of a band filled end to end with activity, and to point out the benefits. As I said before, it could be filled end to end with ragchews, and it would be equally majestic.

Personally, I both ragchew and contest, operate QRO and QRP (and QRPp), on CW, SSB and various digital modes. I think that puts me in the silent majority of eHam readers that doesn't get dragged into these name-calling contests.

Anyone who read anything more than the title would understand that the intention was not 'contest vs. non-contest'. The title was meant to be a 'gotcha' that got you interested in reading the article. I clearly underestimated the number of narrow-minded people who use the slightest excuse to push a slanted and ill-conceived agenda.

I doubt anyone but the 'lunatic fringe' mentioned earlier is reading this thread at this point, after all the vitriol and rancor. However, I will still try to make one last point.

Amateur radio is a hobby that allows a wide number of avenues for 'having fun' (which is what a hobby is all about). Anyone who belittles any aspect of the hobby doesn't deserve to have a license. We have a shared spectrum that has to accomodate these wide varieties of interests. The only way we will keep it is to stay civil, both on and off the airwaves.

-John (KB5HWS, now K5JBT, as of yesterday)
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!


Ahhhh yes, vicious personal attacks, the last refuge of a small mind terribly frustrated by an inabillity to articulate an intelligent position on an issue.

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Aw gee, John-Boy...

Don't know what I'm going to do now, knowing that your probably searching for a good lawyer on TV to sue me for "libelious" insults.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W8MW on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K5JBT: John, copy 100%. Come to think of it, it seems like every author's motives end up getting questioned and we get pounded on anytime we try to say anything.

It is worthwhile for all hams to observe the difference in activity levels between contest and non-contest times. Although I choose not to operate in contests, those are the times I would want outside interests to monitor our use of radio spectrum. The rest of the time it is like the bottom falls out and we lose critical mass. Sure would be great if the norm fell somewhere in between those extremes.

An observation that seems to get me in trouble once in a while, but what the heck. I believe daily, regular non-contest activity has trended down, way down, over the past couple decades. The bands are not nearly as lively as before and there may be substance to earlier comments about loss of interest. Personally, I want to see all amateurs have access to all bands, all modes. I think our best prospects for the future are to have an inclusive and not exclusive amateur community.

73, Mike W8MW
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Jerry:

If you read up, you would know that I am a lawyer.
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by ON4MGY on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hi,

I can see a lot of negative replies. I have to say I like the idea of one contest a day.
Let's be honest. 98 percent of the day's without a contest we can hear nothing on the band. When there's a contest, you can work several new ones or just nice DX.
Lately, 10m is dead. You hear no-one. When there was the CQ WW on SSB and on RTTY (sorry, I didn't operate the weekend of CW) I worked several new ones, and a lot of country's on 28MHz. The days before and after the contest the bands were unused. Were there no conditions? No, just nobody was using the band when it was available. So, without a contest the bands are not usd or used too little. Guys,about our bands : use them or loose them!!
Of course, with a contest every day a lot of contesters would ignore soem contests. You can't contest every day. With some family and jobs to do it is impossible. What I think we can do is during the year is a continent contest. Just one contest over the whole year. Every day you have to make contact with some continent. For example :

Asia : monday
Africa : thuesday
Europe : wednesday
North America :thursday
South America : friday
Oceania : saterday
Antartica : sunday

Every ham in the continent that day can just call CQ and answer the calls back. At the end of the year the station with the most worked country's (multipliers) and stations (points) outside his continent worked is the winner.

A lot off thinking and changing these simple guide-line rules is needed, but I think this proposal is a great way to get some more activity on the bands, and a lot more DX to work of course.

73 and CU in contest

ON4MGY Nic
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W5HTW wrote:

> Contesting: Go to the mall during Christmas season.
> Extend your right hand. Dash madly through the mall
> bumping into everyone possible....
<snip>

Not a bad analogy...

> Ragchewing: Go to the mall during Christmas season.
<snip>

Wrong.

Ragchewing: Go to the mall outside of Christmas season. See the hallways empty. Six months later, 25% of the stores are gone.

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE wrote:

> K1OU:
> by calling be a bragger aren't you just a tad
> hippocritical? After all a fellow contester, N0FP
> writes:

<snip>

Quite the generalizer you are. Why does one contester's post make another contester a hyprocrite?

You would think a lawyer would know better. Guess not.

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
John-Boy,

I could care less if you are a ditch digger.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Simple Blake.
If a contester calls a non-contester a bragger but then refuses to call another station (who is a contester) the same thing, everybody recognizes things for what they are. Partisan personal attacks.

Back onto subject.
ON4MGY suggests that more contests might mean more activity. Perhaps. But more activity is not necessaraly better. I believe in quality over quantity. When you choose a doctor do you choose based upon the number of patients he treats a day or do you choose based on quality? I know how I choose.

To many, contests = QRM. Its that simple. So when you advocate more contests, what non-contesters hear is that you are advocating more QRM.

I don't necessaraly buy the chicken little cry of "use the bands or loose them". First, given the very fickle nature of HF, especially with the 11 year cycle, its really not commercially compaired to satelite. Thus, at least in the US, we don't see many commercial interests lining up saying "we want a peice of the HF spectrum. VHF/UHF, yes, but HF? Nope, just hams and RF ID tags.

Bottom line for most is that we prefer to be able to hold a QRM free QSO to having contesters slip in 1Kc above and below blasting away with wayyyy too much compression, splattering 3 KC away.

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<<<Bottom line for most is that we prefer to be able to hold a QRM free QSO to having contesters slip in 1Kc above and below>>>

Please define what constitutes "most". Is there statistical data out there somewhere to support your statement?

I would think that perhaps the HF ham bands aren't the best place to go if you want to have guaranteed "QRM-free" communications. Your goal is eutopian, however it's simply unrealistic. Cingular can't even guarantee me "QRM-free" reception on my cell phone.....

Blake N4GI

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N0FP on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE Grinds:

>To many, contests = QRM. Its that simple. So when you >advocate more contests, what non-contesters hear is >that you are advocating more QRM.

No, what you hear is advocating more QRM. There are many bands. Learn to use them. Try a new mode! Try using a telephone if you want QRM free conversation. HF has never been QRM free. Nobody ever promised you QRM free QSOs.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N0FP on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE Whines:

>I don't necessaraly buy the chicken little cry >of "use the bands or loose them". First, given the >very fickle nature of HF, especially with the 11 year >cycle, its really not commercially compaired to >satelite. Thus, at least in the US, we don't see many >commercial interests lining up saying "we want a >peice of the HF spectrum. VHF/UHF, yes, but HF? Nope, >just hams and RF ID tags.

Have you ever heard of BPL? They want 2MHz to 80MHz. Does that sound like HF to you?

But then, I guess that pretty much proves you do not understand the issues, are no-doubt not an ARRL member, and probably do not contribute or even support the spectrum defense fund.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE wrote:
> If a contester calls a non-contester a bragger but
> then refuses to call another station (who is a
> contester) the same thing, everybody recognizes
> things for what they are. Partisan personal attacks.

Um...

WHE wrote earlier:
> I, for one, am nobody because I just have a MK-V
> and an Alpha 99

and WR8D wrote:
> ...well i'm in the same boat as you only its an
> alpha 89 and icom 775dsp

I see you and WR8D like to *brag* about your Alphas...

Man, your glass house must be made out of some well-tempered stuff...

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N0FP on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE Spews:

Bottom line for most is that we prefer to be able to hold a QRM free QSO to having contesters slip in 1Kc above and below blasting away with wayyyy too much compression, splattering 3 KC away.
***********************************


Who are the "we" you refer to above? The little voices in your head? Who do you represent? Are you speaking for some specific group?

1Kc? How old are you anyway? I believe it would be 1KHz since about when? 1960?

A contester who splatters cannot be defended. But then neither can the Studio Quality SSB guys who spew 8KHz away. Or the Boat Anchor bunch that run DSB all the time. I'll bet your next paycheck that 99.9% of the folks who contest are running rigs that fall well within spec. There are those that run compressors too hot. That cannot be defended. Some are spewing and don't realize it. These are called accidents, and they do happen to everybody from time-to-time. But lumping all people who contest into one group because some jerk offended you once is hardly an argument. It is infantile.

I tell you what. Pick up the manual on your 1000MP and learn how to use the largest knob on the front panel. It is called the VFO. JUST MOVE! Try a new band! It is so simple. Yet you make a federal case out of nothing!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Blake: most high school graduates know that "most" means more than half. Get a dictionary!

Ford: Once again, you are wrong! Perfect record!

Typical liberals. When you can't win an intellectual argument, you sink to mean-spirited personal attacks. Everyone here sees that.

Care to get back on topic? Or do you lack the abillity to intelligently discuss it???
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<<<When you can't win an intellectual argument, you sink to mean-spirited personal attacks. Everyone here sees that.>>>

Yep, exactly. I'll follow my own advice now and "spin the dial".


N4GI


 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K6BBC on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I thought I was contentious.

K6BBC
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE,

Nowhere in this thread do I see a personal attack against you. So, get off the cross, we need the wood!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Re N2MG: Hey clyde...we were just making fun of that other weirdo talking about 35 grand for a tower so he could contest and qrm everybody to death. I dont have enough room here to list whats in my radio room but reguardless i'm not one bit better than a new tech. You guys think you're kings of the world and are some of the most arrogant and rude folks i've ever ran into on the bands. Get a life. Its really to short to waste here..now get your little nose out of the clouds and come back to earth and take a few good breaths before you pass out.

Try to be nice to someone...it will make you feel much better.

Merry Christmas:
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 11, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Re W9WHE: For the life of me i can't get over that guy up the thread getting all fuzzed up about your comment about them getting 1kc above or below a qso and qrming. Thats standard operating for a "egg suck'n contester"..I've even seen them jump right in the middle of a qso and call cq contest for a solid minute before they unkeyed. W9WHE just has the balls to get in here and tell you weirdo's how you look and sound to the rest of the ham world. I guess after the contest when your drugs have worn off you really dont realize how much of an ass most of you guys have made of yourselves. As for who his comments represent well just about every "normal" person i know. When i was a kid i had a buddy that had a cb radio and it sounded exactly like you guys do. Sorry there's more to radio than that...its like when you were a kid and you always pushed this little guy around and got a kick out of seeing him run from you. You were king of the hill...then one day the little guy got tired of being pushed around and turned on you and kicked your ass for you. Well most of the ham community is that little guy...just tired of the rule book being thrown out the window for a contest and being run over by rude operators. Thats just how most of us see it. Now some smart ass will probably get all fuzzed up about my comment here and there's really not to many of us that can actually stand to get on these threads and put up with what you weirdo's say from time to time.

Just get on the air and try to be nice to each other. Get a life...contest and get on any freq im on and get your ass run off simple as that. You do your thing and i'll still be able to do mine. You wont like it..there's gonna be a freq that you cant over run but thats just the way it is. I'm a version of that little guy i was talking about.

COME GET SOME:

Well "WHE" i hope i've helped your cause a little.. now i have to go..got Christmas shopping to do and things to take care. Dont let these weirdo contesters gang up on you om.

73
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE sez:

"typical liberals"

OH MY GOD!! We have Rush Limbough on board!!

Why is it with you damned conservetives, that if you disagree with something, it must be wrong?

Now I understand W9WHE...hell, he's a Rush-cult follower!!

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by RobertKoernerExAE7G on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Run for your lives!

A ten meter contest is coming.

Oh the carnage!

People all over the band having fun.

Surely it must be the end of ham radio!

Just think of how many angry illegals there will be. Wonder if they HATE contesters as much as some hams do. After all, they won't be able to use their frequencies for their rag chews, DXing, and nets.

Maybe the just hate all hams?

Bob
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D,

Branding a particular group who don't agree with you as weirdos, then urging people to be nice at Christmas....now THAT'S funny!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
BTW,

Hey Arch (WR8D), when ya gonna tell Edith to stifle herself and getcha a beer, huh?
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<<<Get a life...contest and get on any freq im on and get your ass run off simple as that.>>>

How chic.....

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
AE7G wrote:
> Run for your lives!
> A ten meter contest is coming.
> Oh the carnage!

Oh...my...god. Whatever will we do? And this contest uses both the phone and CW portions of the band at the same time.

Wait, you mean there's another band? I have to tune my radio, adapt to conditions?

Carnage is right... ;-)

Mike N2MG

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KI9A wrote:
"typical liberals"
OH MY GOD!! We have Rush Limbough on board!!


Actually, Rush would probably like contests.

It's the Liberals (capitalized) that would tell us that since contesting might insult someone on the band, that we can't do it.

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D wrote:
> Re N2MG: Hey clyde...

Hey, Bonnie, the name's Mike, not "Clyde".

'8D goes on...
> You guys think you're kings of the world...
> Try to be nice to someone...

Again, I say, you guys are hypocrites (c'mon WHE, see how you spell that?) Your posts are nothing but generalized hatred. Who's not being nice?

Mike (not Clyde) N2MG
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
You contest weirdo's started all this...if you cant take the heat my advice is to get out of the kitchen..it really gets you guys excited when someone tells you contrary to your beliefs in your selves what asses most of you are. I would be ashamed to bring someone into my shack and let them listen to a contest going on. Many would just say i'll stay on cb if thats what ham radio is all about. But lets get back to whats going on here...you weirdo's think you are it..simple as that. You look at folks that dont want to contest as being inferior to your godly selves. I guess when most of you were little kids you got knocked around a little or something. Striking out at me and others that have the same feelings about contesters only assures those that read and do not post that you folks really are a weird bunch.

Now prove our opinions of you..

COME GET SOME!
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks "Clyde" for the spell checker. I see you've not took my advice and come down from the clouds and took a few breaths of good air. There's not much advice i can give though for that godly ego you have.
When you look down on us from your high perch please have a kind thought every now and then for us normal hams that go by the rules and "good amateur practice".

Did i spel all that correct Clyde?

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D,

Calling a certain group of hams who don't share your point of view "asses" qualifies as good amateur practice in what way?
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KI9A,

Afterall, it is pretty easy for certain people to sit around all day, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and utter "dittoes". It just means that they obviously cannot think for themselves. Afterall, don't you want to know the way things ought to be, spewn from the mouth of a soon-to-be-felon/addict?
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref K1OU..i'm just doing what i can do to try and keep spirits up. As for the branding of the particular group...check back up the thread they started on us first. So naturally we're getting back at them now. Its all just a game like five year olds used to play. Just think of the folks that dont post and are having a ball reading all this junk. Thats really what it is "junk".

The ugly head of the contest ego has raised its self out of the muck and contrary to its own ego and self felt importance has got a slap in its ugly face.

Oh hey "clyde" back up the thread...did i spell all that one wright too?? or is it two?? or to???

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE help!! They're all gang'n up on me. I've figured it out though. I bet if we went and checked where they live we'd find that the sewer output is mixing with their well water. Its got to be something in the water they're drinking that makes them act the way they do on the bands.

What do you think?

73
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D,

When calling somebody an "ass", I know it really boosts my spirits, and the recipient(s) always find it to be very uplifting.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D,

Ganging up? The one spouting vitriol is being persecuted! OMIGAWD, that's funny!
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you.. thank you very much. Here where i live we just call it like we see it. Not behind a back but to the eyeball. That makes for more intertainment. Now before you go getting godly on me yourself i must say if the shoe fits you need to wear it too.

Next time there's a contest listen if you're about to qrm a net or qso in progress. We hear you so we know you folks can hear us...but then in contest time like always you guys throw the rule book out the door. So expect what you get in return.

Guys i really dont have time for this right now i have to get on 20 meter psk31 and see if i need to run some cw contesters back out of the psk segment so the quys here stateside can ragchew.

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by NI0C on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I guess we now know who that famous "kilocycle cop" is. WR8D just fessed up.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D wrote:
"You contest weirdo's started all this..."

Show me where.

Mike N2MG

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N2MG on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D wrote:
> Oh hey "clyde" back up the thread...did i spell
> all that one wright too?? or is it two?? or to???

Bonnie,

Your spelling is at least a couple of grades higher than WHE's.

Unless you are just getting lucky, afterall, you seemingly always do neglect to capitalize "I".

Mike N2MG
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KE4ZHN on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
We need more contests like we need a hole in the head. How many weekends of endless 5/9`s do we need on amateur radio? What exactly do they prove? If its how many yo-yo`s can double, triple and quadruple with each other for a 5/9 then to each his own I guess. Knock yourselves out. Frankly, I dont see the point to this endless repititious drivel. I never knew amateur radio was supposed to be a contact sport like football where you bash signals with thousands of others in an attempt to score a 5/9. Dont they do the same thing on CB?
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!

<<<i need to run some cw contesters back out of the psk segment so the quys here stateside can ragchew.>>>

Save your energy good-buddy. You'll have plenty of work to do on 10 meters this weekend....


 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D sez he "needs to run some CW contesters out"?

Hmm, wonder if he'd run me out if I was ragchewing around 14.070??? After all, I am within my license rights to do so.

I also wonder if "come get some" John would be as mouthy if we all met face to face at Dayton? I doubt it.

But, what do I know? I'm just a 39 year old construction Electrician from St.Louis...

SEE YOU ALL ON 10!

Chuck

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Oh brother...does it come to this...how infantile.
I remember this stuff from the playground way back in grade school. By the way om i'm a 6foot 240 pound coal miner. I've earned my living the hard way. Just wanted you to know. Anymore weirdo's??

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Re N4GI: You're in luck...10meters is not one of my bands.

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref NI0C: nope...i'm just your friendly radio bully thats had it up to the eyebrows with contesters.

73
WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D,

A 6', 240 pound coal miner? Fooled me. With your intellect, I confused you for a 6', 240 pound lump of coal.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by OLDFART13 on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"Re N4GI: You're in luck...10meters is not one of my bands.
John WR8D"

He only operates 75meter phone. Enough said.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref: K1OU...we have a saying here in the hills. Its better to be pissed off than pissed on.

Thanks again:
WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K1OU on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Point proven with that masterful response, John.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref oldturd13: Yes some and i really like it at contest time when i can hold my freq down. You dont even have the balls to sign your call here so your dog as we say "ain't" in this pack.

WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by OLDFART13 on December 12, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
John, you will never have to worry about hearing me on 75meters. I don't operate there and I don't operate PSK31 either. I do operate 80meters and RTTY though. I have found nothing but good ops there. I can't say the same for what I have heard on 75meters and that is why I don't go there. I hope you and your good buddies enjoy your splatter boxs that seem to populate the 75 meter band.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WX7B on December 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE:

Not sure I believe the lawyer thing.

A. you can't spell.
B. you claim 300+ countries, when you've only had a general license since '02.

Your veracity is suspect. (look it up)

WX7P
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KE4ZHN..they dont do the same thing on cb. Cb is just a mess. Thousands of weirdo's keying up on each other. Spewing garbage...but you do have a point...it sounds just like one of their contests.

There's got to be a few of them out there that will read this thread and maybe just maybe become aware of how they all sound and operate.

Lets not give up hope!

73
John WR8D
 
Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by NJ0E on December 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
well, i agree with the other posters who are
generally annoyed with contests, though i did
participate myself in the texas qso party and
really enjoyed myself, so i can understand the attraction.

as a tip, try enjoying some of the lesser used
bands & modes.

i recently have been enjoying some cw ragchews
in the 80 meter novice segments. 80 meters is
open nicely now, and i can generally find someone
sending cq in the evening after just a few minutes
of tuning around.

after the sun has been up for a while, activity
thins in the 40 meter cw segment, making it a
great band for chewing the rag with other hams in
my region.

also, try to open up the qso to get to know the
other op better.

if you are a cw op, compliment the other guy on
his fist and ask about what type of key or sending
device they are using.

if they are an old timer, mention that they must
have seen alot of changes to the hobby over the
years. that's a good way to get them started(!)
i recently had a qso with a fellow who'd been a
ham over 70 years, and was a retired railroad cw
op, so i asked him about the american morse code.
made for an extraordinarily fascinating qso.

ask the other op questions about their other
interests. i've had fascinationg qsos with other ops
who are into restoring wwii vintage aircraft, flying
ultralights, ornithology (birding), kayaking,
restoring boat anchor radios, and so on. i've
observed a habit among people nowdays (not just
in ham radio) that people don't express an interest
in others' lives or interests, as if they couldn't
possibly be involved in anything interesting. kind
of rude & self-centered, in a way. express an
interest in things that other people are involved
in; it doesn't cost you anything.

mention your other interests, and if you are able to
work amateur radio into it in some way. i am a
backpacking enthusiast, and enjoy taking a qrp/cw
rig with me on my outings. alot of the ops i chew
the rag with seem to find that interesting also.

and be sure to answer cq's from hams you've had
qso's with before; don't just say, "well, i've
already worked him". you can cultivate an
on-the-air friendship this way.

just a few thoughts!
73
scott nj0e
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K0IMJ on December 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
To N9AVY..."Boatanchors" older rigs are probably not quite as bad as you think. Just take a listen to the audio on the band. Take a few minutes and operate a tube radio. Everything, including the smell brings back memories. And they will warm you up on a cold winters night! 73 Gary KŘIMJ www.heathkits.com
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by NJ0E on December 13, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
koimj:

i agree with you. the yaesu ft1000d is fairly notorious
for having awful key clicks; so sometimes "state of the
art" rigs have their foibles, too.

scott nj0e
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by AB7ZI on December 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
What net performs a worth while service. The Maritime Net in general and the Pacific Maritime Net in particular. The PMN is on 365 days a year, yes including holidays. They are on 14.313 Mh at 0645Z. All of their antennas are pointed toward the Pacific Ocean but sometimes hear from hams off of the back of the beam during warm up. They have a roll call of yachts underway who have logged on. They take a position report and weather report from each yacht. They also handle emergencies and phone patches. I used them on my voyage to French Polynesia and return and was very glad they were available.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 14, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K0IMJ is correct! I still have my Drake TR4cw I used while a new novice in the late 70's, something about the "sound" of that rig is so cool...

Just got though with the ARRL 10 meter contest, I had an absolute BLAST making 1202 QSO's without running into any pig farmers (if you gotta ask what one is, well, you might be one).

73-Chuck KI9A
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D<<<Re N4GI: You're in luck...10meters is not one of my bands.>>>

I'm absolutely positive that both your zippy keen 775 and Alpha 89 will work on 10meters. You're an extra class right? That means you can use 28 to 29.7 MHZ, or 28.3 to 29.7 if CW isn't one of "your" modes. I can e-mail you a frequency chart if you need one.

Please tell what makes you qualified to complain about QRM and interference when you refuse to use entire segments of HF spectrum which you are allotted? Also please tell me which bands are "yours" (I think I can guess).


73,
Blake
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
RE N4GI...Man you're drinking some of that bad water too are'nt you. One example of my right to complain is a few weeks ago on 20 meters. You guys were having a cw contest. You have all that space above and below 14.070.15 to operate but you guys keep getting right on our little piece of the pie. One dit or dah sends a spur through that complete little part of the band and kills the copy of the psk31 signals. I switched to "cw" and ask several of you to move up the band and guess what..in typicial contester fashion they moved even deeper into the psk31 segment as well as on both band edges of it. There's folks in there running 5 watts and less in apartments with attic antennas..other folks in differant parts of the world using low power to wire antennas. Its a nice qrp mode to work but you guys could care less. All any contester knows is throw the rule book out the window..completely forget about good amateur practice..and just QRM.

THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE:

I could write you a book on just my experiances alone.
I hope you enjoyed the 10 meter contest..maybe if you weirdo's would get in there under normal conditions we could take it back from the freebanders ... you know the cbers all keying up on top of each other..but i bet you guys really felt at home there with them because you sound just like them.


Well i hope i covered everything for you om. Just think about the next time you go on a rampage.."contest". There's folks all over the world that want nothing to do with "your" idea of whats fun on amateur radio. Leave us alone...but when we get pissed and tell you what we think...oh brother the arrogance of you people just spews out...i don't try to force feed you rtty or psk31 or ssb. You can leave and go anywhere and work any mode...but when folks like me are on a freq in qso...you try to run over us. Its never happened to me because i put rf burns on your asses..God help those that cant stand up to you weirdo's.

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by W9WHE on December 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W7XB:

You sir, exude typical contester attitude. "Never let the facts get in the way of uninformed comment" appears to be your credo.

I have been a ham since 1976, with 256 confirmed, not over 300. Go back to your CB license plate collection.
Wx7b.bloki.com
 
RE: EVERY CONTEST SHOULD BE BANNED !  
by WR8D on December 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE..Thats telling it like it is. Thanks from all those that feel as we do about this subject but dare not post opinions.

I hope Santa brings you a big ole henry floor model..another big tower and one more good "ragchew'n" antenna to go on it.

Merry Christmas
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D sez:<<<One example of my right to complain is a few weeks ago on 20 meters. You guys were having a cw contest. You have all that space above and below 14.070.15 to operate but you guys keep getting right on our little piece of the pie.>>>

Great story, I value your opinion. However, you didn't answer either of my previous questions, as usual. In response, I have some more questions which you won't answer:

Are all PSK operators using crystal controlled rigs?

Where is CW prohibited on 20 meters?

Who did you ask to move?

Thanks again,

Blake N4GI
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by RobertKoernerExAE7G on December 15, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thought I’d check back and find out how many hams and CBers went to the emergency room over the weekend as a result of the horrible abuse they suffered during the 10 meter contest.

Any one go SK when they found a contester on THEIR rag chew frequency?

Any illegal CBers smash their rigs when they couldn’t get on their favorite illegal frequencies?

Did thousands of ham turn in their licenses when their favorite nets couldn’t take place?

Have our ranks thinned out to the point where ham radio is being taken over by commercial interests?

Is eBay flooded with ham equipment from all the ops giving up?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Did you live in your bomb shelter? Hide in your tornado cellar? Flea the country until it was safe to return? Crawl into your spider hole?

Give me all the details about how you favorite frequency was pillaged, and the disastrous personal consequences you suffered.

Has anyone formed a class action law suite yet?

Surely some lawyer can sue over the pain and suffering you endured!

Bob
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Blake are all of them like you?? Then that explains it. Oh yes my as you call it zippy keen 775 and alpha 89 will work there but i dont operate there. Unlike you i don't think i own any band or part of any band i obey the rules. I don't get on a band and act like i'm king of the world and run over folks and qrm them off the bands. You really are egocentric. The world does not conform to you perfect ideas..when you guys are on the edge of a band you know perfectly well what you're doing to the folks trying to carry on conversations in a certain segment like the psk31 part of 20 meters. As for who the stations were crap i was doing psk i caught a space between about 5 of them and layed in there with 1500 watts of cw..i ask them to move up and told them they were qrming the hell out of us and it only made it worse. You know..you understand how you operate.

Nuff said..not much use in going over and over this with you..go see a shrink but at least get the sewer output moved away from the water well and you'll feel better in while.

WR8D:
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by OLDFART13 on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
It is a sad state of affairs when someone has a bad experience with a contester and decides that they are all bad. I have personally had bad experiences on 75 meters, so am I to assume that ALL 75 meter ops are just CBers with foul mouths and splatter boxes? Am I too assume that since someone operates on 75 meters every once in a while that is the only place they operate and therefore a lid. There are literally thousands of ops on the bands during a major contest. I guess that the majority of ops are bad because the majority of active hams participate in contests. You see people who operate in contest also ragchew. I don't know of anyone who only operates contests and nothing else.
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by NI0C on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
According to WR8D: " i caught a space between about 5 of them and layed in there with 1500 watts of cw..i ask them to move up and told them they were qrming the hell out of us and it only made it worse."

What did you expect? Playing frequency cop doesn't work. Never has, never will.

73 de Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I know it Chuck. Dang it but i had to try. Only thing that really helped was for a few of us to just qso at the upper and lower edge of the psk segment there on 20.

73
John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Well oldfart13 it would be a sad state of affairs if it were just one person having one bad experiance during one contest. Thats not how it is though. We can go on for ever here with this junk and entertain the folks that just jump from thread to thread to read the latest. This is a waste of time on our part. Think of the good qso's we could of had during the time we've wasted here infront of these monitors. Its plain as the nose on your face how contesters act during a contest. They think the whole band belongs to them and care not if you're in qso with some friends. Just because you or someone else looks forward to these events there's others like me that look forward in dread...but when its contest day its shoved down your throat. You either have to participate in the contest or build a fire to keep the wolves away. Even then they will still jump in the middle of your freq and start their cq contest crap...without even listening.

That weirdo up the thread ask me what part of the band did i think i owned. Its honestly the other way around. Most of them think they own all the spectrum and us noncontesters just get to use it when they're not contesting.

Sorry i called you oldturd13 the other day and i do hope you can understand mine and others strong feelings on this subject...and yes it is a mess.

73 and my apology to you sir for my tone to you...but you just dont understand.

John WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N0FP on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D wrote:

...SNIP...

"We can go on for ever here with this junk..."

You already have repeated yourself about 18 times. What, no new material?

...SNIP...

"They think the whole band belongs to them..."

Perhaps you need to re-examine your license OM. Contesters DO own the band. And so do YOU. Along with all the other good boys and girls that are properly licensed.

"and care not if you're in qso with some friends."

So besides being a PSKer, a DXer, a frequency cop, among other notable activities, you can also read minds? It's a great ability. Why bother with radio?

...SNIP...

"That weirdo up the thread ask me what part of the band did i think i owned. Its honestly the other way around. Most of them think they own all the spectrum and us noncontesters just get to use it when they're not contesting."

It is really a shame that you are so bitter about life when a little QRM can destroy your common sense, make you so very unhappy, and cause you to embrace the 'I hate contesters' mission with such a vile vengence.

On behalf of law abiding and consciencious contesters everywhere, let me appologize for the lack of respect you have received, the lack of courtesy, and apparently near fatal QRM you have endured. Nobody should have to endure QRM. Which is why most people have installed telephones in their homes.

If you think you can change anybody's mind with the "I am so abused" rhetoric, think again. You, my friend, are going to have to get used to it. You put 3,000 people on any one band and there is going to be QRM. Life stinks sometimes. And this is the bitter pill you will just have to swallow.


 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D:<<That weirdo up the thread ask me what part of the band did i think i owned.>>

I'll have to step in again, because unfortunately, you're mis-quoting the weirdo.

I asked you which bands were "your bands" in response to your intriguing statement that 10M wasn't one of "your bands". I'm quite curious.

I see lots of run-on sentences, and vulgarity....but still no answers.


Tnx, 73
Blake N4GI
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by K2ACX on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
<<i caught a space between about 5 of them and layed in there with 1500 watts of cw..i ask them to move up and told them they were qrming the hell out of us and it only made it worse. You know..you understand how you operate. >>

Curious.... how many PSK QSO's did THAT disrupt?

K2ACX
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by NN6EE on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Gentlemen!!!

Something that would be a great idea would be to have a
exclusive 10meter all-mode contest each season, not only as it is now the Winter/DEC. bash!!!

I propose this because since the sunspot is of course in it's decline having more exclusive 10 meter contests would promote more use of "10 Meters!!!"

Any comments???

Jim/nn6ee
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
K2ACX what do you think?? We figured if someone in a nice way ask those weirdo's to move up and stop qrming us that it would be worth the sacrifice for a few "seconds". How long do you think it took me to ask them at 35 wpm to move? Not over 30 seconds.

Anything else you want to try to pick at? This was just another prime example among many of normal contester operating techniques.

WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by WR8D on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Blake if you'd just pull your head out of your ass far enough for your eyes to see a little better you'd be amazed at how good you probably could see. Right now you're just seeing all kinds of "brown".

Are you one of those idiots that were qrming us on 20 that day?? Have i hit a spot with you.

It would be best for you to just let this go weirdo..you started it remember. You're as bad as the guys that think they are better than most because they passed 20wpm instead of 5wpm. Get off your little weirdo soap box.

WR8D
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N4GI on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I think that I can see things as clearly as ever now. Thanks for helping me prove my points with such eloquent prose.

73,
Blake
 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by N0FP on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Blake,

I think you might agree with me when I propose petitioning the FCC to include a new "element" to getting a ham ticket.

An IQ test would be appropriate prequalifier don't you think? A passing score for the element would be any IQ score exceeding the age of the person sitting for his/her ham ticket.

From the looks of some of the responses to this thread, there are a few "good ol' boys" that would have to turn in their radios for a fishing pole. And that would be OK in my book. At least then they would get on a fishing web page/thread server and complain about how busy the lake is during fishing contests instead of on eHam to complain about all the QRM on the very busy bands during DX contests.

 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 16, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D sez he fires up with 1500w & "runs" us cw contesters off of 20?

Was wondering there Johnny, is 20 the only place you can make a computer, err, PSK QSO? Is there anything in the FCC rules & regs prohibiting a CW QSO on 14.070? OR 14.080? What makes a computer, err, PSK QSO any better than a good old Bencher produced CW QSO?

I'll tell you what, I make between 8-10,000 contest QSO's each year, and hundreds of ragchew QSO's along with that. If I was to make a "quality" ( W9WHE ) QSO on 14.069, would you QRM me? If so, why? Maybe that would piss WHE off, because I was making a "quality" QSO.

It's a funny thing, about 12 years ago, I was working on a job 500 miles away from home, trying to keep a sked with my Dad on 75 SSB. I got pinballed around trying to find a freq to talk to my Pops just about everywhere from 3.785 thru 3.995. And there wasn't a contest going on, just a bunch of old farts talking about nothing...

This is a double edged sword John (and others), you are not perfect, & neither are we.

John, its time for you to get a grip & grow up, this isn't grade school. Obviously, you have admitted to intentional QRM. That makes you no better than a, well , L I D. I ALWAYS ask if the freq is in use before a QSO, be it contest, of ragchew. You don't. Hmm, double standard? But, I guess you being the "man" makes it better? ("bring it on")

As I have asked before, with NO reply, does my Amateur license permit me to have a CW QSO below 14.100 Khz?

If so, shut your cakehole.....we are getting tired of your pissing & moaning like a little school boy that can't get his way. BTW, did the big boys in school pick on you because of your bow-tie, maybe thats why you vent your frustrations with anyone who disagrees with you?


 
RE: Every Day Should be a Contest!  
by KI9A on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Attn good ol' boys:

Elighten this "weirdo" on something...

Seriously, I want to know the answer to this...We have many contests to choose from most any weekend. But we only have a few that load up the bands, lets look at 20 SSB for instance:

Jan:

NAQP SSB - a 10 hour contest on a Saturday. Maybe good use of 20 for about 2 hours of this time.

Sprint: - about 2 hours out of a 168 hour long week.

Feb:

Um, none....

Mar:

ARRL DX...yep, this one loads up the band for 48 hours out of a 168 hour long week.

CQ WPX...again, this loads it up for 48 out of 168 hour week.

April:

Um, none. You have for all 168 hours per week.

May:

Um. none, again, you have it for 168 hours a week.

June:

ARRL Field Day...24 hours out of a 168 hour long week.

July:

IARU...24 hours out of a 168 hour week.

August:

NAQP...maybe 3 or 4 hours out of a 168 hour long week.

Sept:

Sprint:
maybe 2 hours out of a 168 hour week.

Oct:

CQWW DX: yep, got us there..we load it up for 48 hours out of a 168 hour long week. Ouch.

Nov:

ARRL SS---yup, there we are for 30 hours out of a 168 hour long week. yikes!

Dec:

um, nada out of a 168 hour long week.

So, there we go boys. We do abuse the heck out 20 meters every once in a while. With the most being in March. We use the band 96 hours out of a possible 672 hours that month ( assuming it is a 4 week month ). Or, for you ciphering challenged folks, about FOURTEEN PERCENT of the month, and, again, thats our "busy" month.

Again, you non-contesters trying to make "quality" QSO's have it for 86% of the month, we have it for 14% of the time.

That is fair, right? Hmmm...maybe not?

Yep, there are state QSO parties, & smaller contests that really don't dominate the spectrum, but, I just pointed out the really "busy" periods where it may make it tough for you guys to converse on the wireless.


If you take it one step farther, we generally use the band that is "open" & can make the best amount of QSO's, so, even during a 30 hour contest like the Nov SS, we might only be on 20 en mass a few hours at a time.

We really need to find a way to get along (no bullshit about elminating contests or ragchewing) or we will loose our privilges.

 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
REf KI9A..My hat is off to you sir .. if you ask if the freq is in use then you're the first one i've ever heard. Your question as to the cw use on 20 does not need a reply other than .. you guys are well aware of the psk31 segment there .. also in typicial contester fashion you're well aware of what you do when you get right up against the band edge of that segment and "qrm". The rest of your comment is typicial looking down the nose arrogant godly attitude toward anyone that does not contest. You folks know how you operate and how you sound on any band. It just ticks you off when someone like me speaks up and reminds you. As for you trying to qso with your dad on 80 meters its first come first serve to get a freq on any band. In your typicial contester mind you think you own all the bands and on 80 just could not run over folks to take a freq. Simple as that. As for the rest of your comment..just a waste of space here. You're a die hard contester and i'm one of those folks that you just cant push around on any band. So you feel you can strike at me and get one in on all the folks you've tried to run over through the years and got a few rf burns back in return. As for your stupid comment about a computer contact. I guess you can make all those funny sounds needed to make up the actual signal which is psk31 and rtty and mt63.. without a computer soundcard. Oh well just more of the godly arrogant contester attitude. I never said or thought i was ever better than anyone .. as for me qrming if me being within my bandwidth on psk31 and keeping fools from coming down into the center of the psk31 segment doing cw with my signal is qrming then i guess i admit to it.

Get over it...you guys will never change. Folks like me will always remind you of your arrogance. Oh and the cw transmission i made at 35 wpm was not with the computer keyboard. Sorry to bust your bubble..just an icom rig and keyer. So see even in that you cant look down your arrogant nose at me.

WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
We all really do need to get alone though. Just think though if the rest of us operated and ran over folks like you guys do what a mess it would be. Oh but there already is a band like that so please tune your general coverage rig over there to 11 meters and give a disgusted listen to them. The way you feel when you hear that mess is what we feel when we hear you guys.

As i said before...nuff said.

73
John WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by K1OU on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D:

You accuse contesters of quirming, yet, you threaten to give somebody an rf burn. So, by your own admission, you deliberately interfere with others. Then, you cite the need for us to get along. How pathetic.
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by N0FP on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Now we know who one of the contest QRMers is. It's WR8D. So he's one of the guys giving "RF burns" up and down the bands. Interesting... It's very illegal but apparently he's exempt from the rules, or at least believes that he's exempt. WR8D = a Self Ordained Frequency Meter Maid.

My favorite QRMer is the guy who plays a recording that says "This frequency is in use. Please QSY" for over an hour. And then there are the tuner-uppers. We've all heard them.

And how about the Net Control that comes on frequency and says "This is the blah blah blah net. We meet on this frequency every day at this time. Please QSY." When you try to explain that you've been running Qs on this frequency for the past hour or more, that doesn't matter. They just tune up and start taking check-ins. I remember one time, I worked about 20 Qs while this guy just kept begging for the frequency. I was working Qs right through his jamming. It was a great run frequency and I hated to give it up (no it wasn't 14.300!) Man did that irritate him. 100% of the time, I will QSY. It is better to QSY than try to deal with the deliberate jamming.

WR8D, you need to understand that the KW you possess is a great tool. It is also an illegal weapon when used to disrupt communications, no matter how insignificant YOU deem the chatter to be. It's illegal to be "giving RF burns" up and down the band. Go back to chicken band with that juvenile behavior!
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Hi..what a bunch of WEIRDO'S. You guys are a class act. "You" qrm...i was just in qso keeping my part of the band clear of "you" guys. What was meant by rf burns on your ass was if and when one of you jerks gets on my freq, while i'm in qso you get rf burns that way. Or if you can stand the heat within 2.5 kc's or is it KHZ..oh well you higher ups still get my meaning. Hi Hi...

Let it go weirdo's. You can pick at me all you want but folks like me still feel the way we do about you because you are just "you" and your arrogance is reflected by your operating style, and sticks out like a sore thumb here in your egocentric comments to me. Get a life!

Choke on the next cq contest too that you spew!
Now as the man said my pie hole is shut. Oh sorry one more thing...I see a statement about chickenband. I knew thats where you guys pick up your operating skills. You sound exactly like that bunch of fools on 11 meters. Ok now ....nuff said. You've all proved my point to the highest extent of your abilities. Did i spell all that wright or was it right or maybe rite??? Hi Hi anyway you higher ups get my meaning!

WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
You know reading back up the thread you guys sound just about as bad on here as you do on the air. You never listen before you qrm the hell out of someone on the air and it looks like you never read a comment completely through before you start to "spew" here on the thread. Oh well thats to be expected from a contester!

John WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by KI9A on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Whew..WR8D talks about us being arrogant & intentional QRMers?

HEY DINGBAT-read you own admissions!!!! OH MY GOD!

I just might fire up near or on 14.070 tonite & chew the rag for a awhile on CW, looking at the FCC rules for US amateur bands, I am legal to do that. If I don't hear a computer, err, PSK QSO going on, & ol' John fires his KW up to "run" me off, I'll tape it & send it to the FCC. I don't have the capabilties to RX computer, err, PSK signals. (Johnny, did that computer thing hit you the wrong way? :-0 )

John have you ever umm, "run" somebody off of a SSB frequency, or is computer, err, PSK you only mode that you choose to get all puffed up over?? Thats why I like the sprint contest, you are never on the same frequency for more than 2 QSO's, that must really burn John's wide ass!

11 meters & chaos? Looks the same to me as old John firing up his KW & running us wierdoes off. Doesn't matter if he dislikes us using our amateur license rights lawfully or not. He will break the law by intentional QRM. That makes him no better than a CB'er with a big LINNEEER & an echo mike with maybe a beep after he unkeys.

Crabby old bastards like John make my day! I love watching them getting thier depends all filled up!

John- are you a follower of the brother rush limbugh that preaches if somebody has a view different than yours, it must be wrong?? At least, as a contest wierdo, I say we have problems with our ranks. You don't have the sack to say the same...what a "man".

 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref KI9A..are you one of those new 5wpm cb extra class dudes just off 11 meters. Man you sure can talk exactly like those guys. You're killing me! hi hi..

Hey i really am sorry for picking at you like that. There's a pactor station there at the upper edge of the psk31 segment running some kind of a mailbox. He's qrming the hell out of us too but i dont have any way to get on his mode and ask him to move up the band. While you're qrming me give him a few hits too.

Merry Christmas
John WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Sure i run them off my ssb freq's all the time when i'm ragchewing with my close friends. Reguardless of the band or the mode heck i've run contesters off my cw freq..rtty freq..psk31 freq..I've been on am and run sidebanders off..i've even been on ssb and run am guys off trying to qrm...i guess i'm just a radio bully. Just cant help it!

John WR8D your friendly hillbilly radio bully:
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hey KI9A i'm just 49. Not an old fart yet but i do hang with a few of those types you describe. If most these guys were like you i think we could work things out because you have a good sense of humor. As this part of the thread ends i must say i've had a ball "playing" you guys. Now its just about time for this little part of the thread to end and time for me to be looking forward to the little deer and the little fat guy with the white beard. All you guys are'nt alike and rude and all that but most of you are and so if the shoe fits wear it and you know who you are.

I've enjoyed it...hi hi...it really ticks you guys off when you're reminded of how you actually sound on the air.

Now as this little thread closes:
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good nite
as well as a few rf burns around the freq's i operate.

Hey i forgot who said i ran a kw. I dont do qrp.

WR8D John See ya'll next year!
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Hi one more plug...Hey KI9A are'nt you smart enough with that extra call to wire up a soundcard interface. If you come down off that high horse and look at some of those "fuzzy" modes you'd probably like them. I know i carried on just like you for a while untill i downloaded my first free program. I got on mt63 and worked the world with under 50 watts. Try it now...you dont have to admit that you did..hi hi..but i know if you look at it you'll like it just like i did.

Oh and my ass ain't wide Clyde...6foot 240 pound coal miner. I earn my living the hard way. Hell son i do more in the first 4 hours of a shift than you probably see in a months time.

See ya round:

John WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by KG4PZZ on December 17, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
"Hey i forgot who said i ran a kw. I dont do qrp."
Followed shortly after by:

"I got on mt63 and worked the world with under 50 watts."

I promised myself I wouldn't troll, but this one just stuck out at me. John, is it under 50 watts or a kilowatt? You've been speaking a different story out of two sides of your mouth for a while.

I won't go on about the rude, inconsiderate rag chewers that move in 1KHz from a DX station just because they've talked to ol' Billy in Wisconson on that same frequency, on the third Tuesday of every month, since before the Baby Jesus was born. It goes both ways. I like to think of myself as being somewhere in the middle, and see both sides of the story.

You guys really need to calm down. See the doctor, get some Valium or something.

Fred
K4PZZ
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by K1OU on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D reiterates that he is a six foot, 240 pound coal miner. Once again, WR8D is easily mistaken for a six foot, 240 pound lump of coal.
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KG4PZZ The power depends on the mode. If you noticed i've mentioned psk31 rtty mt63 ssb cw and am. Differant modes differant bands differant power levels. Very simple if you take the time to read instead of "spew".

WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KI0U...typicial of contester ego. Always looking down your nose at others in an arrogant way...because they don't contest and you do. The comment made by the other gentleman about the qrming of the dx station. Hey go off freq of the dx station and tell the people qrming him to hit the road. Thats what i do. If more of us took it by the horns i think we could clean more of this mess up. I'm certain the dx station would'nt mind a bit for you to make a very short transmission to someone qrming him. Don't sit there next time like a bump on a pickle. Move off freq and do something about it.

Merry Christmas All
John WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Let me just spell this out for you KG4PZZ since you just want to "spew".
mt63 5-50 watts
psk31 20-50 rare dx contacts..200 watts
cw 50-1500 watts
ssb 200-1500 watts
am when i run it 375 watts unmodulated carrier.
rtty 100-500 watts

All these also depend on band conditions..can you understand it now om? Wanna "spew" some more about this????

Maybe you need to go to the eye doctor!! Ever think maybe the problem really was with you instead of spewing at someone else??? Oh well thats typicial of this day and time.

WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by AMATEUR2OO3 on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D, you sound like my kind of guy.

Anyway, what can you win in these here contests?

Best 73s,
Ted
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by BUFFOON on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
NewsFlash: AMATEUR2OO3 supports WR8D!

That's just the kind of support he needs. Kinda like AlGore backing Howard Dean.

For some of 2OO3's ideas about good radio practice, see:

http://www.eham.net/forums/Elmers/53510

 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by AMATEUR2OO3 on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Wusssup wit all dis hatin goin on here? Instead of arguing about which click you from or if you contest or not, why can't we just be brothers? Together, theres no tellin how high we can go.

Don't be hatin. Can't we all just get along. It's B-rad in the hizzooooow!
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by KG4PZZ on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I tried posting a reply, but E-ham (un)fortunately didn't post it. I'll try again.

John, I think that's an awful angry reply for a simple question. All you needed to do was answer, I didn't ask for a side order of insults.

And it's a vicious cycle. I try rag chewing, it works, but then you get the people that you can't stand talking to you, correcting every little thing, nagging about how much better it was "in the old days". That's why I contest. Everybody is glad to talk to me. HAPPY to talk to me, because we're all having FUN. Rag chewers come off almost as grumpy, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and answer a few CQ's now and again.

Calm down John, I simply overlooked the fact you ran "low power modes" like that. Breathe. It'll be okay, everybody.

Fred
K4PZZ
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by K1OU on December 18, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D,

I'm sorry I make you so defensive. It is obvious that you haven't yet come to the reality that you are responsible for the way you feel, not that other people make you feel certain things. Sorry that a bunch of so-called elitists have bought you so cheap.
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 19, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
No problem Fred..I stood up to these contester types and i just thought you had jumped onto their bandwagon. Sorry i was so defensive.

73 and Merry Christmas

John WR8D
 
RE: CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO !  
by WR8D on December 20, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Ref K1OU...Sorry om but you were coming across to me as one of "them". No hard feelings.

You know this is all these threads are really about. Folks get in here to vent their frustrations. I think we'd all get along much better if we would just get on the air and stay off the internet.

I know from time to time i make a statement here and there that we all should stay off these stupid things. Then another thread comes along and here we go again. I can actually stay away for a pretty long time then i cant resist i have to come back and see what the latest is and pow...i have to jump in with both feet. There's no hatred from me but i just cant stand to see others spewing and talking down to other folks because maybe they dont enjoy amateur radio in the same way. This contester thread was a chance for a few of us to speak out against the way those guys operate. Simple as that. As you can see it really sparked lots of interest.

73 and Merry Christmas
I think i'll stay away for a little while now and enjoy the bands.

John WR8D
 
Contesting Should Be Tamed  
by KC5JK on December 25, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
So many comments (too many to read them all, in fact), so now where to start?
In generally disagree with KB5HWS, KR2Q, AE7G, K1XM and K6BBC.
I generally agree with K7VO, N2WEC, KT4HT, AH6RR, KD5ALU and VK5CC.
I especially agree with RadioBob, KD7EFQ and W9WHE.
How many of us haven't been in that same boat, having to fight QRM even when there are no contests? But we manage, somehow, most of the time. Except during contests.
Most of us respect the DX windows, the satellite and repeater frequencies, and long established nets and other specialized activities (on the original, not WARC HF bands). Except during contests.
Sure, sometimes the bands seem under-used even when they are open. The ham population is thinning out, so what do you expect? A lot of us started out as SWLs too, not as CBers. Contesters don't consider that we might actually be here, because they find hard to fathom that some operators like to just listen. Except during contests.
Seeming under-use does not mean mis-use or abandonment. Where is it written that we have to keep talking in order to "hold" a frequency? In most big cities, the UHF band seems deserted, but virtually every channel pair will be coordinated to at least one system. The majority of them are closed (not to be confused with "private"), but just because they are quiet (something contesters can't fathom) doesn't mean they are dead. Dozens or more stations may be monitoring at any given moment, and monitoring does mean the same as using.
Some think that county hunting, list operations and certain other interests are as silly and pointless as contesting, but at least you can get away from them.
However, it's really gone too far when you start hearing "CQ contest" on a VHF FM repeater. Yes, it IS time to tame the contestors. Limit them to times and portions of bands in proportion to their numbers. I am confident that the rest of us, whether you hear us talking or not, are still here, and still the majority. You'll get only as much respect as you show us.

 
RE: Contesting Should Be Tamed  
by W9WHE on December 26, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Boy-oh-boy.

Funny, how liberals (inventors of political correctness) attack people for being intollerant. Liberals are the most intollarant group on the planet. The more liberal, the more intollerant.

Liberal "political correctness" means that there are many things you simply cannot say because it disagrees with the liberal adjenda. Not surprisingly, the only ideas that are "politically correct" are those of liberals. Therefore, unless you are expressing a liberal idea ....you must be censored by "political correctness".

In other words, under liberal censorship, the only speech that is "politically correct" is speech that agrees with the liberal-socialist-maoist adgenda.

And such people have the gall to call others "intollerant"?
 
RE: Contesting Should Be Tamed  
by N2MG on December 29, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
KC5JK wrote:
"Limit them to times and portions of bands in
proportion to their numbers."

Frequency set-asides, huh? Be careful what you wish for...

See my "Old tired argument" post above, where I said, in response to a previous post,

> Old tired argument #2:
> > There needs to be room for non-contesters on
> > the bands as well

> I guess it's being suggested that ragchewers/net
> operators have more right to a set of frequencies
> than several hundred to a thousand contesters?

So, during a big contest, when there are literally thousands of contesters on the air (compared to maybe a few hundred/dozens of others), their proportional piece of any band is probably >90%. Some set-aside!

I like it!

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Contesting Should Be Tamed  
by N2MG on December 29, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE rants about PC...

Please sir, put your posts in context with the thread... either with its original intent, or with what it has become.

I want to see the connection...

Mike N2MG
webmaster
 
RE: Contesting Should Be Tamed  
by N2MG on December 29, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Name calling is a primary attack method used by liberals... whenever they disagree with conservatives' views, they slander them with accusations of being Nazis, or racists, or sexists, etc. Most conservatives have gotten used to it.

So...to whom do we have using such methods in this thread? The anti-contesters, of course!

After all, they wrote:

CONTESTERS/CBERS..SAME MO

Mike N2MG
 
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