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Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5

Philip Neidlinger (KA4KOE) on December 31, 2003
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This Month's Stiff: Georg Simon Ohm

Entered Mortal coil: 16 March 1789

Assumed Room Temperature: 6 July 1854

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Georg Simon Ohm

One of the favorite movies of my misspent youth was National Lampoon's Animal House. In this film, we see fraternity boys carousing, drinking, womanizing, gambling, and generally not taking anything seriously. Not surprising is the fact that most of the boys have abysmal grades, and that their fraternity has been placed on “super secret” probation. Georgy would have fit right in. Ohm's father, Johann, was a self-educated working class man, i.e. blue collar, who had apparently busted his chops getting Georgy into Erlangen University. The old man was fed up with rumors of his son's excessive dancing, ice skating, and pool playing. After only three semesters, Georgy was pulled out of school and sent to Switzerland where he more or less had to grow up.

What followed after this enforced leave of absence from Erlangen was a series of unsatisfying teaching posts as young Ohm drifted through life. All he wanted was a full professorship at a prestigious institution. Ohm further educated himself and conducted independent research while holding a teacher's position at the Jesuit Gymnasium of Cologne starting in 1817. Publishing his research, Georgy realized, would get him that coveted post….and research he did! In 1827, after a considerable amount of labor, head scratching, and experimentation, he published his results in the paper Die galvanische Kette, mathematisch bearbeittet. This was quite a mouthful, even in German (read Mark Twain's essay, “The Awful German Language”, if you really want to laugh). Anyway, the end result of all that formal written Hun verboseness was

E = I x R

Volts = Amperes times Ohms.

This simple little formula defines all things electrical and electronic. If you don't know it, learn it, or at least do a little bit of research on your own. I can't do everything for you kids, okay?

Unfortunately, this electrical thunderbolt out of the blue went largely unnoticed, and Ohm's theory was greeted with less than rampant enthusiasm from his professional peers. In 1841, the Royal Society awarded Georgy the Copley Medal, acknowledging his contributions in electrical research. In 1852, Ohm achieved his lifelong dream and became the Chair of Physics at the University of Munich. The Reaper had the last laugh as poor Ohm only got to enjoy the fruits of his labor for two years before being mowed down by the aforementioned Reaper's scythe in 1854. Poor Georgy!!!!!

Ohm's Theory is now Ohm's Law. Learn it. Live it. Don't ever forget it!!!

Philip Neidlinger, PE

KA4KOE

References: Mark Twain, “The Awful German Language”, http://www.bdsnett.no/klaus/twain/

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Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by OLDFART13 on November 27, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Keep up the good work. Great reads!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by OLDFART13 on November 27, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>>by WILLY on November 19, 2003
by OLDFART13 on October 30, 2003
--- "
What I want to know is: How did you two guys post your replies 3 weeks BEFORE the original post?
That's right folks! You've seen it right here on eHam!
The discovery of Negative Time !
Or: is OLDFART13 really Doc Wonmug of Alley Oop fame?
Stay tuned right here, for the next episode.<<<<<

As the kids say "Oops, I did it again."
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WPE9JRL on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
While I was Chief Engineer of an FM broadcast station, we had to apply ohms law for our DJ's to monitor the transmitter power output. The Jocks had to multiply Plate Voltage by Plate Current and then an "efficiency factor". The Jocko's then had to determine if the Xmtr was outputting a legal amount of power, then log the readings every three hours.

Most of the DJ's were lucky if they could tie their shoes or order a pizza correctly over the telephone.....let alone apply Ohm's Law and read transmitter meters!

Just another application of this Dead Dude's theory in real life.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Just subscribing to the inevitable uproar.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA0LSS on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
DED's is the reason I look forward to logging onto EHAM in the mornings... Not that the aren't a number of worthwhile features and resources, but it's the member contributions that make this a great place. Just decided to subscribe and send in an end of year check and this is the biggest reason... Keep'em coming!

Happy New Year and 73's
Scott WA0LSS
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA5N on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I am waiting for an article on "Electrically Dead Dudes" about guys reduced to ground potential by the electric chair.
Allen
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K3ESE on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
You forgot to mention the famous portrait of Georgy sitting on the stove, entitled, "Ohm on the Range."

And the part where he asks his fiancee to call him "Ohm, sweet Ohm."

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by W0FM on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Or when he dressed up weird and they called him "Ohm My Darling Clementine!"
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N9AVY on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Phil for another light-hearted look back into history. When is the video coming out ?

Jerry, N9AVY
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I was planning on selling the screenplay, but the title "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" was already taken. Note that this film dipped to new lows in mediocrity, and I wondered if dear Sean had a senior moment when he signed the contract.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AH6RR on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Philip for another great one!!!! Oh you guys forgot the Southern Rock Ballad to Ol Greg.
"Sweet Ohm Alabama"
73's Roland AH6RR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA8QNN on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Keep 'em coming Phil. Certainly Ohm's law is the Holy Grail for us contemporary electrical dudes. Unlike the Holy Grail for some other dudes from antiquity (In England circa 932 A.D.).

Larry
WA8QNN
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by W1LC on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, with these clever articles, isn't Phil paying homage to the English seekers of the Holy Grail? (i.e., Monty Python and the quest for the....)

"Bring out ya dead!" ;-)

73,

Dana, W1LC
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K2WH on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
They aren't Dudes.

K2WH
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
ESE:

My old Rat Shack VOM has that! It says "Ohm Range". Too weird man for coincidences.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WB2WIK on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Even Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz referenced the unmistakable glare of this man, thus...

"Lions and Tigers and Bears, Ohm Eye!"
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N2WEC on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Nice. If the text books read like this, just imagine the history the "Children" would learn. Its like a college professor I had once said; "No story, No sale". Another good one.

73
Bill - N2WEC
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N0RTU on December 31, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Great Job once again Phillip!
Let us not forget Georges musical contribution to the world!
What music?
Why....
O(hm)klahoma
Of course!
See, the therapy is helping...

73 and Happy New Year
Mike
N0RTU
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by TUBEGUY on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Didn't they name Ohm-aha Nebraska in his honor ?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K1OU on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
And Dorothy clicked her heels and pondered that there was no place like Ohm.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA8QNN on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Wait a minute, what is a dude anyway?

To W1LC: I'm not dead yet. At least not until an African swallow carries a coconut.

When is this thread going to become a code, no-code debate.

Larry
WA8QNN
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N9ESH on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yikes! This guy looks like my old math teacher!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by W1NK on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let us not forget Georg's contribution to meditation and yoga.... The chanting of:

"Ohm......Ohm.......Ohm....."
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KD5WIH on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Doesn't look like a chick to me! :)
73,
KD5WIH


>RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5 by K2WH on December 31, >2003
>They aren't Dudes.
>
>K2WH
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Lesser known facts...

The world's first mass cloning experient by candy magnate William Wonka was undertaken using Georgy's cells. Remember the Ohm-pa-Lohm-pas?

Short lil buggers with orange hair and an annoying tendancy to dance and sing....

Oh, the horror or it all!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AD3G on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ohm is where the heart is...........
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Philip;
You have shown your OHM-NIPOTENCE and are now a
certified Bad OHM-BRE who has been elevated by a higher potential to this VOLTED position. You have
RESISTED the big drop while remaining high on your
CURRENT events. WATT is important though is your power
to keep your Ohm-stead exemption intact. I sure hope
that "SIEMEN SAYS" that you can conduct yourself to
keep writing these informative and amusing articles.
In the mean time I hope that you can see De Forrest
for the trees and can dodge any FLEMING emails sent
your way! Have a Happy New Year!
73, Cal K4JSR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G0GQK on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The idiots guide to electrical history
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
So it should be just about right for your comprehension level, aye?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AB0TJ on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K2WH: They are males, therefore they are dudes. I don't understand why you always have such a big problem with the word dude.

73,
Alex
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Just to start the new year out right, I'd like to point out that E=IxR is *NOT* Ohm's law.

But it'll do for people who don't need to do any real electronics.

73

Marty
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

E/IR with a circle around it is
"OHM MADE" PIE! Please don't *BOHR* us with any
further details. Be glad that we are just dealing with DC so far... I'd hate to face those KILLER HERTZ
about now. Or would you pull an Edison on us and
show infinite impedance to the existance of AC?
you know, NO ADMITTTANCE! I'm outa here before those
Rude Mean Squares get here and turn this to an average thread! One final thought from a thoroughly
fevered mind; Phil, wasn't "ded dude, ded dude,
ded dude ded dude ded dude the first measure of the
theme song from "The Pink Panther"? With this I sink
ever deeper into the Sellars. :-@
73, Cal K4JSR

Just remember, 2/3 of a pun is P U!

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Dunno Cal, I'm afraid I'm not up on musical hysteria.
If it ain't Ohm's law, then WHOSE is it? Don't tell me all this time I've spent LIVING A LIE!!!!! Gimme a Xanaz please...my hands are shaking!! I canna take anymore laddie!! Oh no, the Ohm-pa-Lohmpas are coming to take me away, HA HA!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KD5WIH on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There seems to be a lot of confusion over which is "Ohm's law", some say it's P = I x E, others say it's E = I x R.

Some call P = I x E the "Power equation" some call it "Watt's law", some call it "Ohm's law".

I wasn't around when either Mr. Watt or Mr. Ohm was doing his best work, so I can't say for sure. I am under the impression that the unit "watt" was named for James Watt, not named by him. So, I call P = I x E "the power equation", but if others choose to call it "Watt's law", I have no problem with it.

I would like to know the definitive historically correct answer, if anyone would like to post it!

73,
KD5WIH
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> There seems to be a lot of confusion over which
> is "Ohm's law", some say it's P = I x E,

Those people are very confused.

> others say it's E = I x R.

Those people are less confused, but still confused.

By the way, E = I x R is *NOT* Ohm's law in DC either. But, as I said before, it's a simplification that's close enough for those who don't do real electronics.

 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE352 on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I've noticed that if I place the probes from my VOM on the aluminum Coors can (positive on top, negative near the bottom), different levels of impedance can be obtained depending on the 'liquid-level' inside the container apparatus. Perhaps I should experiment more with the 'Coors Antenna.'
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Define "real electronics" please, so we can understand your chain of thought and what exactly you are trying to say? Is this an esoteric exercise?

Let's see.....Laplace transforms for ac analysis as well as differential equations (urgh!), Norton's and Thevinin's equivalent circuits, power factors, phasors (not phasers-this ain't Star Trek)etc., ad nauseum, etc., etc. All used variations of that powerful little equation.

Please tell everyone so we can benefit.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Q:

Why would anyone post that they consider something to not be 'real electronics' and then fail to explain why?


A:

I don't know!


I was taught Ohm's law as V = I x R etc. It seems that the U.S. might use E instead of V for volts. Other than that it all looks 'real' to me.

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HEU:

Exactly. Gratuitous assertions, by the precepts of logic, can also be gratuitously dismissed as so much fluff.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ATTN AE352

I read with amusment your thoughts on the Coors Cantenna ( sic ).

From thier postings it seems that some people here are already hard at work on multi element arrays!

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N2MG on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Posts like these are exactly why I dislike aggressive moderation (is that an oxymoron?).

Some of these are good for a chuckle...

73 Mike N2MG
webmaster
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike

I dunno about oxy but there's certainly a few morons :-)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Poor Philip;
The Ohmpah Lohmpahs have come and carried him away.
They are forcing him to listen to their Polka band
consisting solely (sp) of vacuum tubas going "Ohmpah!
Ohmpah! Ohmpah!"

Mike, I thought that oxymorons was that detergent
additive sold on TV by Billy Mays.
Maybe they were not morons after all, only
OHMBICILES!

James Watt made that famous beer commercial possible- "WAAAAAAATTTTTTTTSUP?!"

Philip, I thought that "Diffy Que" was what happened in our Novice days learning those "Q"
signals!

I guess 2004 will be *THE* year for doing PUNitence! No OHMbivalence about that! Maybe
Mike should petition congress for some "pun
control" legislation. I certainly hope that no one
will take Mr. Wheatstone's device and take
OHMbrage with me!
And always remember, Phil, that CBer's use Fast
ten-fourier transforms!! :-@

I'm going back to my padded hamshack now.
73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K3ESE on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K2WH on December 31, 2003:
"They aren't Dudes."

They are so dudes!

so there.


 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Lloyd!

DIT DIT
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
MG:

Aggressive moderation? Nah, not needed, everyone's having a ball with this PUN-fest.

Now its your turn to come up with one.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by TUBEGUY on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ohm-my !!! What a thread!!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Q:

> Why would anyone post that they consider something
> to not be 'real electronics' and then fail to
> explain why?


> A:

> I don't know!

Exactly


> I was taught Ohm's law as V = I x R etc. It seems
> that the U.S. might use E instead of V for volts.
> Other than that it all looks 'real' to me.

You were taught a simplification. That's not Ohm's law. And no, I'm not talking about something dumb like using a different variable name for voltage.

Someone else touched on the reason, but from the way they posted it's pretty clear that it was an accident that they regretted.

By the way, did anyone here see the Mythbusters episode about Lucy?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Define "real electronics" please, so we can
> understand your chain of thought and what exactly
> you are trying to say? Is this an esoteric
> exercise?

I have been told, rather forcefully, that "real hams" know Morse code. In the same vein, "real electronics" is practiced by those who know what Ohm's law actually is.

> Let's see.....Laplace transforms for ac analysis as
> well as differential equations (urgh!), Norton's and
> Thevinin's equivalent circuits, power factors,
> phasors (not phasers-this ain't Star
> Trek)etc., ad nauseum, etc., etc. All used
> variations of that powerful
> little equation.

I'll refrain from commenting on "real math"

> Please tell everyone so we can benefit.

Nah. It's more fun to parody the "real hams".

> Besides, if you work out the answer for yourself,
> you'll have a greater sense of
> accomplishment than if I tell it to you.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
BORING. Next pun please.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KL7IPV on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I feel he must have felt he had a longer future ahead of him when he wrote "I am my Ohm grampa".
73
Frank
KL7IPV
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Marty

You are mad.

You came close to making me mad on another forum, (but failed).

If you have no answers ( to your own questions ) and nothing sensible to say then carry on. I'm sure we will all feel sorry for you. Let me have you PayPal # and I'll send a few dollars.

Love from England!

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by OLDFART13 on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>>by AE6IP on January 2, 2004
> Please tell everyone so we can benefit.
"Nah. It's more fun to parody the "real hams"."<<<<<

This should have been on the anonymous poster thread. Since it proves that just because someone posts with their callsign it doesn’t mean it adds anything constructive to the conversation. Marty thanks for your useless input and trolling. You again have proven a point.

Are you still bitter because you had to study two weeks to be able to pass your element one exam? I feel sorry for you for having to do all that hard work and effort to get your extra license.

Now relax and chant:
oooohm
oooohm
oooohm


 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
N.B. In the U.K. mad usually means insane - not angry.

I meant insane.

XXX
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by OLDFART13 on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Ohm's Theory is now Ohm's Law. Learn it. Live it. Don't ever forget it!!!"

It's not just a good idea; it's the law!

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Just one more from me:

ATTN OLDFART13

It surprises me but I agree with you. Can someone cut and post the last few dozen entries in to that thread about not allowing anonymous posters. I suggest that OLDFART13 have just had their case proved for them.

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OLDFART13 etc
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hello thAR PHILIP. Glad to see this thread was not accepted with much RESISTANCE!

Any one else notice that OHM looks a lot like that dead dude on the Elmers glue bottle! Maybe that is where they got the name ELMER!

Really get a bottle of Elmers glue. Compare with the photo of OHM!

73 and laughs MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by OLDFART13 on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>"their fraternity has been placed on “super secret” probation."<<<<<

Actaully they were put on "Double Secret Probation."

tnx fer the thread.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Marty

> You are mad.

You are wrong. I'm rather enjoying myself.

> You came close to making me mad on another forum,
> (but failed).

Wow. If you call a guy a wanker enough times to have your post deleted when you're not mad, what do you do when you are?

> If you have no answers ( to your own questions ) and
> nothing sensible to say then carry on.

Oh, I know the answers (to both questions, the one you called me wanker over, and the one being asked of me here.)

> I'm sure we will all feel sorry for you. Let me have
> you PayPal # and I'll send a few dollars.

Well, at least you haven't called me a wanker here yet. Is that because you did the homework and found out where your country killed millions of people in 1946?

Don't send me money. If you're feeling charitable, the international red crescent could use money towards relief in Iran.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>>by AE6IP on January 2, 2004
> Please tell everyone so we can benefit.
"Nah. It's more fun to parody the "real hams"."<<<<<

> This should have been on the anonymous poster
> thread.

Hello, pot. Heard from the kettle recently?

> Since it proves that just because someone posts with
> their callsign it doesn’t mean it adds anything
> constructive to the conversation.

It's an Irish thing. Satire and parody are very constructive. If you don't think so, I've got a modest proposal for you.

> Marty thanks for your useless input and trolling.

"troll" doesn't mean what you think it means.

> You again have proven a point.

Indeed. Which, given your response, goes to show that you can prove a point without your audience getting it.

> Are you still bitter because you had to study two
> weeks to be able to pass your element one exam?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

> I feel sorry for you for having to do all that hard
> work and effort to get your extra license.

d00d! you're very confused. ain't no part of ham radio, (except maybe tower construction,) that involves hard work.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> "Ohm's Theory is now Ohm's Law. Learn it. Live it.

Ah, I see that the terminology of science isn't one of your fortes.

> It's not just a good idea; it's the law!

Don't tell me you're one of those confused people who think that, in science, theories get proven and become laws.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> N.B. In the U.K. mad usually means insane - not
> angry.

> I meant insane.

but before that:

> You came close to making me mad on another forum,

d00d! if you can be driven mad by reading moderated forums the internet is no place for you.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Mike, thanks for the input. I was thinking perhaps the new years celebration had taken its troll on you. Did you go to Times Square? Did I say troll? Must've been a faux pas.

OHM MY GOODNESS, here we go again!


Next pun please.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by TROLLBAITER on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
AE6IP:

I see from your diatribes that your brain is not up to National Socialist Party standards. Come by the store some day and we'll let you try out our Lime Flavored Zyklon-B.

Hugs and Kisses

Adolf
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
damn, troll, that was the most amazing invocation of goodwin's law i've ever seen.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Next pun please.

Ohm, Ohm, on the range,
where the buffalo roam and the antelope play
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
NEWS FLASH....OHMS LAW REPEALED!
Problem is that this draconian law is only repealed at absolute zero Kelvin.

So if you do like the ultra cold weather, you could draw 22 amps for your rig with 28 guage wire.
Problem is, as soon as you call CQ your lungs shatter into chunks of ice.

Aldouse Huxley wrote about S(ohm)a
Tail pipes are plated with chr(ohm)
The color portion of video is called chr(ohm)a

Now matter how you slice it, you cannot escape OHM.

Hey Philip, as much as we both hate Sarnoff, are you going to do one on this Radio Robber Barron.

You also have the 3 dudes that invented the transistor. Shockly,Bratton, and bardeen. Shockly is still alive. The 3 won the nobel prize for the transistor.
Shockly shocked the world when he offered his seed for
couples that wanted smart children. There is no scientific proof that this would work.

Another dead dude history over looked was BOOLEN.
The inventor of boolen algebra. He was laughed at how
1 and 0 =0 1 or 0 =1. We all know this is the basis of digital computers.

Keep em comin' MIKE
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K5AN, to answer your quesion about the first dead dudes to "ride the lightening"(electric chair).
A few hangings got botched up. So a more humane way of execution was sought. Electricity was a new technology. It was very political to use the electric chair. Many M.D.'s were certain that it would be a horror show. Yet other scientist said it would be quicker and more humane than hanging.

Edison was trying to push his DC power distibution scheme. Which ohms law shows that high tension AC is much better.
Edison made up a fib that AC was more deadly. So guess what? At the turn of the century the first electrocution used 1100VAC.
Philip confirmed to me that a special generator had to be imported from south america.

In the past some states had to have their own generator because the power companies would not deliver
voltage specifly for execution.

It took over 30 seconds for the condemned to stop convulsing. He did not go quietly! The smell made many sick. The first electrocution was done at Ossining prison in NY. Ossining is known as SING SING.

They did an autopsy. They found his brain was hard boiled like an egg His eye balls were bulging out of his head. Needless to say the body was very dehydrated!
The reason for the hood is two fold. One is for the condemned. The second is so the witnesses do not have to see the bulging eyeballs and frothing and bleeding
from the mouth and nose.

The standard today is 2200VAC. Believe it or not, they hire an electrical engineer to test the chair before each execution. Perhaps a thevenans equivalent
model is used. The condemned being the load.

Have a nice day!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA6ES on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
When these writings first started I overlooked them because I was looking for a more jazzy title. Now I look forward to reading these well written articles. Thanks for the education
Richard - WA6ES
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike:

With all due disrespect,I ain't doin' Sarnoff. He didn't invent anything, only new ways to cheat people out of their intellectual property. After what he did to Armstrong, all he is good for in my opinion, to paraphrase Shakespeare, is worm food.

Ampere is next after Volta, who is NEXT.

Future possible articles include DUDES Heiny Hertz, Faraday, Oersted, Fessenden, Galvani, Lee Deforest, the three transistor stooges as you suggested-that will be hard, one or two may still be alive....We have to cover the GIANTS first, the ones our units are named after. So, realistically, my writing order should've been done chronologically. Also, even more realistically, some of these guys lived droll or sad lives, so its REAL hard to juice 'em up, ie Armstrong who was run up the river by RCA. I do have a heart, Mike, and as one of our esteemed colleagues up the page has already noted....

Ohm is where the heart is.

PAN
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by DBCOOPER on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How is Goodwin's Law a "LAW" in the strictest sense of the word, IP?

Einstein's Theory of Relativity is not a "LAW", but I'm sure its thought of a lot, as it released the mushroom cloud from that neat shiny piece of uranium or plutonium.

By this definition, you can put down anyone's opinion as invalid just because you don't like them, which is a tactic the far liberal left has been using for years in their doctrine of political correctness.....

Besides, TROLLBAITER was right about you anyway. Your brain is so much mush, like a hard boiled egg, as JJH described a high current's effect on the brain of the condemned. Have you come across any HV distribution primary lately? Why are you still alive?

Anyway, I fought the LAW, but I WON.

Sincerely,

DB
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by TROLLBAITER on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I am such a putz.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K7KBN on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If E = IR
and
If E = MC²

then IR = MC² ... Bailey's theorem

reVOLTing, no??
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K7KBN on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
So much for Ohm's Law -- how about Cole's Law?

Take some cabbage and chop it up very fine. Add a bit of mayonnaise...
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Pan, Didn't I see you in "A Midsummer's Night Dream"?
Troll, troll, troll the ded gently through the theme.
Merrily, merrily, merrily these puns are losing steam!

Phil, you might be able to con Edison, but I think you
cannot con TROLL! (Don't you just hate these con TROLL issues?) It is probably time to cut the OHMbilical cord on this baby. At least Mr. Ohm did
not foresee AC so he could not have been INDUCED into
this mortal coil. Since it was all DC, does this mean
that his heir coil actually did reach saturation?
Anyway, that is his teresis, not mine!
Just don't forget good old ELI the ICEman in your
Ded Dude series. They did have a capacity for dealing
with mortal coils. Be sure to deal with their permeability, also. That way we could all commune with our Mu's! :-@ The trolls could really FLUX their muscles on that, too. Especially if they were made of FERRITE stuff.
I guess it is time for this old microwave technician
to just quietly phase array...
Back to my padded hamshack and my meds.
73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Phil, sorry but they are still cleaning out my padded
hamshack! I had a marvelous thought for an article
you could write. It would deal with Rastafarian
Electrical people. You could call it (I know you see
this coming!) "DRED Electrical Dudes".

After that you could do an article about the electronickers of Stone Henge (sp?)
It,of course would be called "Ded Electrical Druids".
73, Cal K4JSR

Another friend of Jacques D.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
JSR:

You and I and JJH need to get together and write something. It would be a scream.

PAN
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> How is Goodwin's Law a "LAW" in the strictest sense
> of the word, IP?

There is no 'strictest sense' of the word 'law'. It's a term of art. You might recall art: short guy, liked to hang out with children, used to say the darndest things

> Einstein's Theory of Relativity is not a "LAW", but
> I'm sure its thought of a lot, as it released the
> mushroom cloud from that neat shiny piece of uranium
> or plutonium.

Uranium is dull, like your understanding of the jargon of science, not shiny, like the paint on Enola Gay.

> By this definition, you can put down anyone's
> opinion as invalid just because you don't like them,

Alice, you forgot to give a definition, so there's no "this definition". But if you want to understand the difference between theory and law in science, I suggest the "What is Science" FAQ from talk.origins. Or, perhaps, you merely side with Humpty Dumpty.

Anyway, I just wanted to say I knew D.B. Cooper, (met him in Idaho after he landed,) and you sir are no D.B. Cooper.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by TROLLBAITER on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
DB, the suckers bite every time!!!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KT3K on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Coolness, once again.

KT3K
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by DBCOOPER on January 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How can you say, I am not DBCOOPER son. It is not a matter of, if you met me. It is a matter of, if I met you!

Thats like when you get a wrong number on the landline.
It's not that I made a wrong number, it's that you got the wrong phone!

No lobster or prime rib for you!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> How can you say, I am not DBCOOPER son. It is not a
> matter of, if you met me. It is a matter of, if I
> met you!

Like I said, d00d, i know D.B. and you just ain't him.


> Thats like when you get a wrong number on the
> landline. It's not that I made a wrong number, it's
> that you got the wrong phone!

Pick up the clue fone, son, it's for you

> No lobster or prime rib for you!

what a blue-collar idea of luxury you have.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> DB, the suckers bite every time!!!

yes, yes, you do.

HAND,

HTH.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
So, from the roaring silence, I take it nobody picked up a freshman physics book and found out what Ohm's law really is.


Pity, that.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by TROLLBAITER on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
IP

Read my new profile. You'll like it.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I dunno, too busy doing fourier transforms on MATLAB.
I not into OHMS law so much these days.

Hey DB or DB impersonator.... Broiled or steamed?
Could you not have choosen to impersonate ELVIS, like normal people do?!

Even a Jim Morrison impersonator would be better.
Why DB COOPER!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HEY MIKE,

Did you learn electronics from a physics book or from an ELECTRONICS book?
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Why would DB's diet indicate social status?
Old money(Robber Barrons), New money(trust fund babies and yuppie's) Nievu Riche- American dream. Start your own business, make a name for yourself.

AE6IP, how can you tell DB is blue coller working joe.
Do we need a forensic sociologist to tackel DB's psyco-social Axis 5, Grand funtionality test eluded to in the DSM-I.V.
Was it the way he offered it. Or did you actually meet the real DB Cooper? What is your story of meeting
DB Cooper?

73 mike

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KC8VWM on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

By definition in Ohm's Law, 1 ohm equals 1 volt divided by 1 ampere. In other words, a device has a resistance of 1 ohm if a voltage of 1 volt will cause a current of 1 ampere to flow.

Thomas Edison admitted that he did not even understand Ohms law and overlooked this discovery.

In 1882, when one of his engineers, William Hammer, observed the "Edison Effect" during the course of experiments about the incandescent lamp, Edison, for reasons which he could not later explain, uncharacteristically did not follow up on the discovery.

The Edison effect remained an unexplained curiosity for fifteen years until the discovery of the electron.

For the first time, accurate definitions of current strength, electrical resistance, and electro-motive force were clearly stated, and the numerical relationship between them conclusively established. Ohm's findings were completely disregarded for a number of years.

Ohm spent much of his earlier time time dancing, ice skating and playing billiards rather than concentrating on his studies.

Ohm's father, angry that his son was wasting the educational opportunity that he himself had never been fortunate enough to experience, demanded that Ohm leave the university of Erlangen after three semesters.

After three semesters Ohm gave up his university post. He could not see how he could attain a better status at Erlangen as prospects there were poor while he essentially lived in poverty in the lecturing post. The Bavarian government offered him a post as a teacher of mathematics and physics at a poor quality school in Bamberg and he took up the post there in January 1813. This was not the successful career envisaged by Ohm at the time.

As he had done for so much of his life, Ohm continued his private studies reading the texts of the leading French mathematicians Lagrange, Legendre, Laplace, Biot and Poisson. In 1820 Oersted discovered electromagnetism, and shortly afterwards, Becquerel and Barlow began their researches into the conductivity of various metals. Everywhere experimenters were making new discoveries in the young science of electricity.

Yet there was also much confusion. Terms like 'tension', 'intensity', 'quantity', and 'exciting force' were used to describe various attributes of electricity, but no one was clear about the exact meanings of the terms and their relationships.

In the first, he measured the 'intensity' of electricity in a wire connected between the terminals of a voltaic pile. To measure the intensity he measured the deflection in a magnetic needle held over the wire. (He later improved the method by attaching the needle to a torsion balance.)

His decision to measure the loss in intensity rather than the intensity itself led him to a logarithmic relation which held only because of the high internal resistance of the voltaic pile. The pile was very cumbersome.

In the second of the series of experiments, Ohm determined the lengths of wires, made from different metals, that gave the same current. Ohm called these various lengths 'equivalent lengths.' Once Ohm put this experimental results together and decided to consider measuring actual intensity rather than loss in intensity, he was able to phrase his famous law in the form I = E/R.

What is now known as Ohm's law appears in this famous book "Die galvanische Kette, mathematisch bearbeitet" (The Galvanic Circuit Investigated Mathematically) (1827) in which he gave his complete theory of electricity. Despite Ohm's attempts in this introduction, he was not really successful in convincing the older German physicists that the mathematical approach was the right one.

Ohm's law was met with resistance. Many of his countrymen were used to experimenting with voltage and current, but they considered these to be entirely separate phenomena. One science 'critic' reviewed Ohm's book, claiming that its "sole effort is to detract from the dignity of nature." Ohm's feeling were hurt, he decided to remain in Berlin and, in March 1828, he formally resigned his position at Cologne. He took some temporary work teaching mathematics in schools in Berlin.

Electricity was not the only topic on which Ohm undertook research, and not the only topic in which he ended up in controversy. Ohm also experimented with optics, acoustics, and the electrical conductivity of liquids, though he didn't achieve any real progress in these fields. In 1843 he stated the fundamental principle of physiological acoustics, concerned with the way in which one hears combination tones. However the assumptions which he made in his mathematical derivation were not totally justified and this resulted in a bitter dispute with the physicist August Seebeck.

On July 7, 1854, Georg Ohm passed away in Munich, at the age of 65. It wasn't until 1881, after his death, when the Electrical Congress in Paris voted to adopt the 'ohm' as the international standard of electrical resistance.

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well done to Philip / KA4KOE for his continued input with these articles.

Thanks Charles / KC8VWM for the additional info. By the way Charles, that line; 'Ohm's law was met with resistance' was intentional wasn't it?

;-)

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU




 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by DBCOOPER on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great sum up there Charles. JJH-Are you really a Bio-medical engineer? Got your EE too. You must be a smart
guy. I am DBCOOPER!
I never hung out with that ham fom 6 land.
All you guys keep up the good work!

73DB
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Dern Charles, maybe you should've written this one! But thanks for the additional information. As you know, these lil ditties are designed to be bite-size.

As always, I, and everyone else on this forum save a few Visigoths, welcome your cogent, constructive posts, which focus on the issue and not some dumb, deconstructive blather. Oops, there's that word "cogent" again....need to get out the thesaurus.

Happy New Year!

Philip
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Nice REDUX on OHM, Charles! The REDUX of Apocolypes Now was a Gyp and a waste of ten bux.

You did a very good REDUX. Anybody for revisionist history? I guess I can do a revisionist history piece on Sarnoff. That is the only way I can say anything good about a patent theif.

OK DB, I believe you for now. Then again, I saw big foot in central park in NYC!

The Dead non electrical dudes that are number one in my book are DE VINCHI and Michalagelo.

DE VINCHI's book had designs for helocopters and all sorts of inventions that came true. A war tank device was in his book too.

DE Venchi had it in him to desig a superhet. Only problem he was born a few centuries too late!

73 and Bon Journo de MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
AE6IP, It is very interesting that someone with the
call suffix "IP" would know whether the paint on the
Enola Gay was shiny or not! Or were you being BOMBastic? One other small point about your musings that I have noted and must comment on;
Roses are red. Violets are blue. I am schizophrenic,
and so am I.
To DB Cooper; Are you a voltage or a power DB?
I need to know for my log!
As for where one learned Ohm's law, it only matters
if you are wanting to go with the flow or shoot holes
into everything! How many chemists would know the difference? :-) Only a Botanist would know that the
majority carriers in in lumber are KNOT HOLES!
Phil, what are all of these Brits doing in this thread?
What would a Brit possibly know about making puns?
Hopefully I won't get BARD for that because they won't
get mad, they'll just get AVON!
I'm going back to my padded hamshack now. My meds
are ready.
73, Cal K4JSR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Paranoia is not always Paranoia.

Some times Paranoia is just knowing all the facts!

73 MIKE a Greatfull dead electrical dude head!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> As for where one learned Ohm's law, it only matters
> if you are wanting to go with the flow or shoot
> holes into everything!

Who cares about where one learned it? The only point is that one who claims to be involved in a technical hobby based on electronics should know the actual law, not the dumbed-down version.

I find it more amusing that so few amateurs know Ohms law but so many think they do than that so many think that knowing Morse code is the epitome of a technical hobby.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> By definition in Ohm's Law, 1 ohm equals 1 volt
> divided by 1 ampere. In other words, a device has a
> resistance of 1 ohm if a voltage of 1 volt will
> cause a current of 1 ampere to flow.

<sigh> laws, in science, do not define units of measure. You've confused the definition of an Ohm from the International System of Units (SI) with the empircal relationship described by Ohm.

> Thomas Edison admitted that he did not even
> understand Ohms law and overlooked this discovery.

This is not surprising, since Edison was much better suited to administer a research lab than he was to doing research -- a large part of the reason so many of "his" inventions were the work of people working for him.


> Once Ohm put this experimental results together and
> decided to consider measuring actual intensity
> rather than loss in intensity, he was able to phrase
> his famous law in the form I = E/R.

But, fortunately, being a better scientist than that, he didn't phrase it that way. One of the canonical undergraduate physics texts, Halliday and Resnick, states explicitly (and correctly:)

"We stress that the relationship V=iR is *not*
a statement of Ohm's law."

(Emphasis theirs. Physics, 3rd ed, Halliday and Resnick, pg 684)

Thanks for the interesting historical information on Ohm. At least he took his lack of acceptance better than did Cantor.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Why would DB's diet indicate social status?

Because diet is considered an indication of social status by those who care about such things.

> AE6IP, how can you tell DB is blue coller working
> joe.

I can't, nor did I attempt to. I merely pointed out that his idea of luxury expressed here is a blue collar one.

> Or did you actually meet the real DB Cooper?

I have met, in Idaho, in 1972, a gentleman who claims to be the real DB Cooper. His story matches well with the known facts of the case, and he surfaced in the right part of Idaho at the right time.

Is he really DB? No more than our posting partner, I guess. I suspect that DB was one of the bodies the FBI found in the search shortly after the hijacking.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
troll:

jeez. couldn't you come up with a less stale joke than "butt"? If you knew anything about "Butte America", you could have.

You get 5 for doing the obvious but -5 for originality.

now go create me a usenet newsgroup, and we'll see if you can do any better.

 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
From a physics point of view, you are correct.Ohms law is not a law, it is a theory.
Here is where many get confused.

The Scientific method, One first has a hypothosis.
After much double blind testing, if the same experiment comes up with the same results time and time again. It is now called a theory. Most people mis-use the word theory.
Theory means you should be able to perform and duplicate the experiment, cicuit,Polymer, or get the statisticly expected results.

So when some one says it is only a theory, there are wrong. Theory means it can be done anywhere, anytime, any condition. Superhetrodyne theory for example.

Most people got messed up from the 1968 STAR TREK QUOTE, Scotty goes...but captain it is only a theory.
He should have said it is only a hypothosis.

We have the five laws of Physics
1)gravity
2)electromagnetism
3)strong nuclear force
4)weak nuclear force
5)Is unknown..The calculas does not back up certain events. So scientist have agreed on the 5th law of physics. Some call it a super force.

We also have a law of thermodynamics. Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

So yes from an Acedemic standpoint OHMs Law is misleading. Just like theory is used and just thrown around.

The point is also well taken about Edison. He was not an engineer. He was an idea man. He would recruit many of the top minds to Menlow Park. He was not such a hot shot designer. He would say to his lab, I want to do this......His workers would then do the R and D.

73 MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Mike:

To paraphrase Major Armstrong from Lessing's Man of High Fidelity, "Its the things that people think ain't so that's true." Armstrong went against the common belief that FM was untenable, had the field to himself to research, and made "MAJOR" discoveries. Neat pun, huh?

One's perception of reality is based on your point of view, and / or the potency of the psychotropic medication you are taking at the time. Again, I will state that gratuitous assertions made without proof of validity in some accepted fashion can, by the rule of law, be just as easily gratuitously denied as garbage.

A person saying "white is black" all day with every breath they take will not make it so. I also think my friends JJH, JSR, and VWM have added the most to this thread discussion, and for this I thank you.

Respectfully yours

PHILIP
 
ATTN EHAM MODERATORS.  
by G7HEU on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Please can you establish a new forum along the lines of:

'I may have a little something to add but I won't because I like to argue and annoy every one. I prefer to imply that an article is incorrect and then spend a few days honking about in the hope that I'll get some e-mails'.

Alternatively it could be called:

'Nothing to say? No problem - just cut n paste other peoples efforts and try to get a response'.


That might make interesting threads (such as this one) a little easier to read. What do you think?

Many thanks

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
RE: ATTN EHAM MODERATORS.  
by KA4KOE on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry HEU, meant to list you too in the honor roll.
 
RE: ATTN EHAM MODERATORS.  
by G7HEU on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Aw shucks Phil!

Thanks. Now ssshh - I'm trying to think of a clever retort to Cal's 'Brit' puns :-)

Steve.

p.s. Cal - once again some one on Eham has made me laugh out loud; 'I am schizophrenic, and so am I'.



 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> From a physics point of view, you are correct. Ohms
> law is not a law, it is a theory.

Um, I never said that Ohm's law was *not* a law. I merely pointed out that the formulation usually given is not actually Ohm's law.

Ohm's law is, by the definition of the word 'law' in science, a very good example of a law, in fact.

> Here is where many get confused.

> The Scientific method,

Indeed. the "Scientific method" confuses a lot of people. This is because 'scientific method' is a white lie we tell high school kids and undergraduates to get them to think critically and constructively. There actualy ain't one.

> One first has a hypothosis.

Oh lord no. You've put the cart before the horse, in this case, theory before observation.

> After much double blind testing, if the same
> experiment comes up with the same results time and
> time again. It is now called a theory.

Um, no. First, double blind testing is only used in research involving human subjects, mainly due to the placebo effect. Anyway, Popper pretty much dismantled the concept of constructivism in the science.

Second, an experiment that isn't reproducable is a bad experiment. All *good* experiments are reproducable (at least in theory.) Experiments either confirm predictions or they don't. Both qualify as good science. (Kuhn went beyond Popper and showed that falsificationism isn't viable either.)

> Most people mis-use the word theory.

Indeed. I suggest the talk.origins "What is Science FAQ" as a starting point for clearing up your confusion. (Feyerabend criticised Kuhn, but was criticised in turn by Imre Lakatos.)

> Theory means you should be able to perform and
> duplicate the experiment, cicuit,Polymer, or get the
> statisticly expected results.

Um, no, that's not *theory*, that's *reproducibility*.

> So when some one says it is only a theory, there are
> wrong. Theory means it can be done anywhere,
> anytime, any condition. Superhetrodyne theory for
> example.

Um, no, that's not what theory means either. You've gotten theory and reproducibility very much confused with each other.

> Most people got messed up from the 1968 STAR TREK
> QUOTE, Scotty goes...but captain it is only a
> theory.

Um, no. Most of the people who try to use "it is only a theory" to dismiss some scientific claim or another have probably never watched a star trek episode.

and they've been saying "only a theory" at least since the first attempt to rebutt Darwin by a creationist.

> We have the five laws of Physics

We have hundreds, perhaps thousands of laws in physics.

Your list below isn't a list of laws, it's a list of what are assumed to be the fundamental forces of physics.

> 1)gravity
> 2)electromagnetism
> 3)strong nuclear force
> 4)weak nuclear force
> 5)Is unknown..The calculas does not back up certain
> events. So scientist have agreed on the 5th law of
> physics. Some call it a super force.

#5 reminds me of a comment by Neils Bohr: "Never express yourself more clearly than you think."

> We also have a law of thermodynamics. Matter cannot
> be created or destroyed.

There are laws in thermodynamics. However, that's not one of them. That's the principle of conservation of energy.

> So yes from an Acedemic standpoint OHMs Law is
> misleading.

Ohm's law isn't misleading. It is actually pretty useful. You just have to know what it is -- and it ain't V=IR.

> Just like theory is used and just thrown around.

yeah.

In science, we have (simplifying greatly)

1) Observation -- this is where objectivity is key, and the reason for double blind test

2) Description -- this is where laws come in to play. In science, a law is a description, usually mathematical, of an empirically validated set of observations.

3) Explaination -- this is where theories come int to play.

Observation gives us the raw material on which science works. Description finds organizing principles and characterizes observation. Explaination is our attempt to answer the how and why questions of science.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Again, I will state that gratuitous assertions made
> without proof of validity in some accepted fashion
> can, by the rule of law, be just as easily
> gratuitously denied as garbage.

Yes, denial is a very common state among those who would rather believe what they believe than go to the source and discover their error.

by the way, your comment cracks me up, since I had recently posted a reference to a standard physics text book that not only states that Ohm's law is *not* E=IR, but explains what it actually is.

As we used to say, you can drag a student to books, but you can't force them to understand.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If this series of articles gives you a sense of pleasure, no matter what the means, then its purpose has been fulfilled.

We are all honored to have someone such as yourself set us straight, and teach us the error of our ways, no matter our backgrounds, professional accomplishments, or other merits.

Please feel free to continue in this vein. It is very educational, and a great study in itself.

Thank you oh so very much, Oh Learned One.

ALL HAIL AE6IP, THE SAGE OF OUR TIME, KEEPER OF THE GREAT FLAME OF KNOWLEDGE, RIGHTER OF WRONGS, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, AND OUR INTELLECTUAL CONSCIENCE!!!!!

GIVE ME A HALLELUJAH, BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!!!

AMEN!!!

Please pass the plate Mike!!!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Philip could care less if the guy got Gliel Cell Cacinoma. I got 2 patents. I have nothing to prove to this DILBERT TROLL.

You know the type of work I do. I not going to waste a single second on him. I better things at the lab.

Too bad a smart man, however his narsistic personality disorder will not allow him to integrate well with others.

73 MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Philip could care less if the guy got Gliel Cell
> Cacinoma.

What a sweet man you are.

> I got 2 patents. I have nothing to prove to this
> DILBERT TROLL.

Ah yes. patents.

> You know the type of work I do. I not going to waste
> a single second on him. I better things at the lab.

Ah yes. Busy.


> Too bad a smart man, however his narsistic
> personality disorder will not allow him to integrate
> well with others.

Ah yes. Ad hominem.

d00d! "plays well with others" is for 3rd grade recess. Leave your ego at the door and limit your comments to the subject matter is for science.

If you're going to post nonsense claiming to be scientific explanation, then you'd better expect that someone is going to call you on it.

I've got a novel idea: Instead of descending to insults, why don't you point out anything I wrote in response to you that's actually wrong?

(Why is it that the guys who are the first to call names are so often the ones who accuse others of not playing well in a group, anyway?)

By the way, I noticed that one of the things you'd like to do is be able to run your station from your laptop. It's not hard. Investigate VNC. It'll start you down the right path.

and good luck with that Master's degree.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> We are all honored to have someone such as yourself
> set us straight, and teach us the error of our ways,
> no matter our backgrounds, professional
> accomplishments, or other merits.

I'm sorry. I thought we were discussing Ohm's law and what it is or isn't, and the proper use of terms like 'law' and 'theory' in science, not the fragility of your ego.

If you'd care to actually participate in a discussion of science, you might just learn something, such as the point that no scientist worth being called one makes the mistake of asserting (or assuming) that because of their past accomplishments they can't make mistakes.

Under the heading of "plays well with others", you would do yourself a much greater service if you abandoned adhominem, checked your ego at the door, and contributed to the conversation, rather than ranting on like a 3rd grader who missed their nap.

So, why don't you leave your professional accomplishments back in your profession and contribute some objective comments on Ohm's law, Halliday and Resnik's observation, and the difference between law and theory.

After all, if I'm as wrong as you appear to think I am, it should be trivial for you to show the error in my logic, and a chance for the rest of us to learn something of value.



 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think I've got a nut allergy...
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N2MG on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Someone earlier asked me for my own "ohm" pun... but the attacks here distracted me...

Can we stop with the Ad OHMinem, please?

Mike N2MG
webmaster
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ABSOLUTELY! Before someone takes OHMBRAGE!
There is no need for all of this OHMING at the mouth!
Some of these attacks could make one become OHMOPHOBIC!
Couldn't we just declare an OHMISTICE?
With minimal analysis we should be able to
MESH together in a more pleasant manner.
To CONDUCT ourselves in any other manner would cause
the POWER to be to RESIST our CIRCUITOUS attempts
to take this ELECTROLYTELY!
Besides, this has gone on long enough to BOHR even
the most demented magneton, and all for no permanence.
(That was brought in for the benefit of the spin Doctors.)
With that I will retire back to my padded hamshack
and think nice thoughts about everyone. (GOOD meds!)
73'sessssssesesess (The devil made me do that!)
Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
And another thing...
Mike, MG type, do they serve Ohminem grits
up there? :-D
73 Cal K4JSR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
G7HEU,SoMe nut allegies lead to anaphalatic shock. Ask
your DR if the epi-pen is indicated in your situation. When I took my EMT training, I found out that so many people are allergic to peanuts! Yes sir peanuts!

Now if your talking about nuts like in some posters,
well I can say we all need Trolls and other mixed nuts
like a spastic colon!

Indeed many of these are persona non grata by most!
However it seems, EHAM gives much lattitude.
Is that a good thing or bad? It can only be judges on a case by case basis. A blanket policy serves no one!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, JJH type, I'll ask you the same question;
Do they serve Ohminem Grits up there?
Don't worry about Steve and his allergy to nuts.
He is like me, he needs some good ale to wash it all down! :-D
Don't worry about trolls, they eventually die off
from having fecal hemorhages caused by dealing with
Gruff Billy Goats!
I do have a technical question for you, though.
Would a Pac Man (I'm showing my age!) devouring a
line of Omegas be called an OHM EATER?
Hanging on tenterhooks for your reply, I wish you
73 Cal K4JSR
PS. The tenterhooks hold the padding up in my padded
hamshack.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by AE6IP on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I have three questions:

1) When did 'troll' stop meaning someone deliberately trying to push buttons and start meaning "anyone who disagrees with me"?

2) Has anyone on this thread taken time out from being derisive to find a copy of Halliday and Resnick, (or other qualified source and figure out what Ohm's law is?

3) Did Ohmer hit an Ohmer when he was at Ohm?
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Cal, I am also ingnorant when it comes to them thar video games. I cannot even fake a funny cleaver answer for you.

How about this one. What would the OMEGAMAN do.
Remember that Charlton Heston flick. After the two Planet of the apes movie's, he did Omegaman and Soylent green.

Soylent green is made of people.

I think OMEGAMAN saw tough resistance from the movie critics!

73 DE MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ohmega Man was an excellent movie...although I preferred Soylent Green, Mike.

Did you guys like the other film, "Ohm Brother, where art thou?"

PAN

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KC8VWM on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

"Ask your DR if the epi-pen is indicated in your situation. When I took my EMT training, I found out that so many people are allergic to peanuts! Yes sir peanuts!"

The suggestion that a person has an allegy to peanuts usually suggests a wider range of possible alergies.

The treatment of choice during severe urticaria is typically epinephrine 1:1000

However, if the condition presents itself as severe but no evidence of respiratory compromise or significant drop in blood pressure is noted, then Sus-Phrine (epinephrine 1:200) should be administered. Both are usually administered via subcutaneous route.

Oh yes, Ohms law... I will try and focus...

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, Not to worry about not knowing video games.
Video games are as addictive to some people as is
booze, sex, gambling, the fun things in life!
Getting back to Mr. Ohm, though; It is indeed a fine
thing that he was well versed in mathematics since he
seems to have had to deal with the RIGORS OF MORTIS.
At least now he won't have to deal with getting
Ohmoebic Dysentery!
One technical question for you and Phil:
If you measure volts with a voltmeter, and
you measure current with an ammeter, and
you measure resistance with an ohmmeter,
what do you measure with a multimeter and what
are the units called?
Time for me to go back to the tenterhooks and wait.
I am just pleased that this isn't on ECB.net or they
would have to be tenterfourhooks!
Just like this section would have to be the ten-
forums. Rejoice in small blessings!
73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KC8VWM on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

"Ask your DR if the epi-pen is indicated in your situation. When I took my EMT training, I found out that so many people are allergic to peanuts! Yes sir peanuts!"

The suggestion that a person has an allergy to peanuts usually suggests a wider range of possible allergies.

The treatment of choice during severe urticaria is typically epinephrine 1:1000

However, if the condition presents itself as severe but no evidence of respiratory compromise or significant drop in blood pressure is noted, then Sus-Phrine (epinephrine 1:200) should be administered. Both are usually administered via subcutaneous route.

Oh yes, Ohms law... I will try and stay focused...

Q:
Does an intravenous have any measurable electromotive force if they are running at 200 cc/hr through a hollow-bore needle?

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Charles, PLEASE stay focused! It would appear that
you are loading us with RINGERS!
I'm not going to PUSH, though.
I'm gone...It looks like a nice day for saline!
73 Ohms on the wall, 73 Ohms...
Bye for now! Cal
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KC8VWM on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

Ok ok.. thanks Cal... i'm back..

BTW Here's a good read if anyone happens to stumble and fall through the doors of the college library:


FUNDAMENTALS OF PHYSICS – David Halliday, Robert Resnick – Publisher: John Wiley and Sons Inc. – 1970 – SBN 471 34430 3

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Charles,
What would happen if someone, instead of stumbling
through the doors of the college library, made a
quantum leap? What would he find different?
Would he just WAVE that off? :-/
The book you listed looks like one should keep in the
bathroom for a little light reading.
As Olivia Newton-John used to sing, "Let's get
Physics, Cal".
I guess I got too close to a rusty tenterhook!73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I cut my teeth in my freshman year on Elementary Circuit Analysis, by Boylestad. I'm sure its out of print since this was 20 years ago. Note that this was an electronics text, Charles, and not a physics text.

I forwarded the medical data to my bride Sheri, who is a nurse. She'll critique it and get back to you.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by OLDFART13 on January 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
My nutritionist told me to increase my intake of
OHMega-3 fatty acids.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I smell something fishy about that!
73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Of course, the entire kharma of this thread can be summed up simply-

Wax Ohm, Wax off.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ohm my goodness! This thread still going?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
PAN,
You weren't waxing your Kharma Gia, were you?
And when you wax off, that would lead to infinite
impedance and then you would have to give these puns
NO ADMITTANCE!
Please don't cut this thread short as it has really become our OHMBILICAL Chord.
With all of this waxing I am sure it is about
to WANE. I am now going to hide under my OHMBRELLA.
And yes, I did stay up all night thinking these
things up. Could you sleep with a mind like this?
I didn't even have a campfire to sit around while
singing OHM-BA-YA.
Michael, come row this boat to shore!
73, Cal K4JSR
PS. PAN, if your next DED article is about Volta,
then Polish hams could come in and make pithy
comments on being POLE VOLTAS! I'm sure they'd
jump at the chance.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by NI0C on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KA4KOE:
It may surprise you to learn that Boylestad's text, Introductory Circuit Analysis is in its Tenth Edition (2003) and up to over 1200 pages! I've taught courses using Boylestad since the Third Edition. Although the basic theory presented has not changed a bit, the publishers like to put out new editions (often adding only frivolous changes)in order to sell more books.

73 de Chuck NI0C


 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Suddenly I feel very old at almost 41 because of your post N1OC......

Almost time for that dirt nap underneath the Ohm Oak tree.

:(

P
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by NI0C on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Gosh, Phil-- just because the book publishers change editions almost as frequently as they change their underwear is no reason to feel old!

BTW, I agree with you on Sarnoff. My vote for your next article would be Heinrich Hertz.

73,
Chuck
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey PAN,
Down in your part of the state wouldn't that have
to be a Live Ohm Tree. Not to be mistaken for that
place near G7HEU's QTH... Covohmtree.
Now the Ohm puns are going into branch analysis!
I always thought the textbook publishers did the new
and revised bit just to keep students from buying
used books so often. (Soon to have 3 of 4 sons in
college. :-/ ) Or should I have said Ohmigosh!
7 and a 3 (CQ TROLLS) Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by NI0C on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Cal,
You are absolutely correct about the used books-- (but ohm's the word!)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Volta is cued up and next N1OC. I haven't written 7 yet. Toss up between Ampere and Hertz. I refuse to write about Sarnoff under any circumstances. DeForest is an obvious do as he was a crook as well as an inventor.

PHILILILILILLILP
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Chuck! I was just watching my favorite movie,
"The OHMPIRE Strikes Back". It looks like Phil has
either gotten the hiccups or is using a wash board
for a slide!
In any event I have GRIDDED my loins in anticipation
of the D.E.D on DedForrest and the VALVE to my email
is fully open for an epistle on EMPTY STATE.
I hope that Edison isn't EFFECTed. If so, it will
just have to be rectified. I have to go now, my PLATE
is too full and I must suppress any secondary emissions. I hope that the moderator won't come in
and SCREEN these remarks.
Off to the padded hamshack. My meds are calling
CQ DX and getting answers! :-/
73 Cal K4JSR From near Winder, Ga. The original
home of DUCKHEAD Clothes.
(Yes, they were all they were
QUACKED up to be! Just put that
on your bill!)(No crying FOWL!)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Philip

My vote is for Ampere for DED 7 - I have my own car.

Steve
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, I hope you are up on your CURRENT events.
You may just have to go with the FLOW on this.
I am personally worried about DED 8. I had a few
of those back in my single days! (Say DED 8 out loud)
And don't confuse it with what George Washington
said to his father when asked about the chopped down
Cherry tree. It was "I cannot tell a lie, I DIDIT
DAHDAH" (Making him the first KNOW CODER).
Definitely not "I DED8, DADA".
Phil, you must already have the SCREEN up for
DeForest 'cuz I STRAINED myself going through it
on that last one.
Of course you must realize that there are those
who are divided by who should be next, Volta or
Ampere, but they should remember that a Volta
divided by an Ampere is an OHM.
See what you made me say, Steve?
I guess we'll all be Ohmkay after we recover.
I have to go, my meds are calling CQ DX and have
gotten me on a list! :-@
73 Cal K4JSR Near Scenic Fort Yargo, not
far from Jug Tavern, but too
far from the Breakfast Club.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Cal

Each time you post I am impressed and concerned in equal proportions. Impressed by your brains agility but concerned by the hoops you make it jump through!

I said 'DED 8' aloud and the dog gave me a strange look.

Take it easy - please.

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.


 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ITS OFFICIAL, END OF MUCH ANTICIPATED SPECULATION AS TO MY MOTIVES IS NOW AT HAND (ie right hand rule):

DED No. 6: Count Volta
DED No. 7: Hertz.
DED No. 8: Ampere
DED No. 9: DeForest
DED No. 10: Faraday

This list does not take into account editorial discretion on Cliff's (AD7RG) part. If he decides to cut me off at the knees, OHM well.

:)

PAN

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Volta surprise that ( Hertz me to admit ) I can't think of a pun for Ampere.

Still, the weekend is coming and after I've been camping in DeForest Farraday or two I'll be relaxed enough to think and then return Ohm with one.

Steve.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Pan, If he cuts you off at knees before No. 10
he would become a Faraday weather friend!
I don't think he has the Capacity to do it!
His eHam series resistance would not let him get it
done in just one time constant!
I could just DIElectrically for saying that!
Don't take it seriesly because that just reduces
the Ctotal.
Steve, what kind of hoops would your brain jump through if your meds called "CQ DX" and got you
put on those infamous lists?
I gotta go now. All of my constants just got lumped!

73zzz (Got caught napping) K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There once was a man named Ampere,
Whose friends thought was most sincere.


Write next doublet please for this limerick....
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Does it *HAVE* to be clean?
It is a limerick, after all! :-(
73 Anonymous
(Ignore the name in the header. It isn't really there!) (Trust me!)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OH! OH! I get it now!
You're trying to gather Ampere ical data!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There once was a man named Ampere
whose friends thought most sincere

Until they caught him putting current
right in the middle of the doublet's centere!

Remember that doublets are not Volta fed!
so be careful in what you ask
in threads about the DED!
Enough sed? I'm off to bed
to get another med!

Or cough up a hairball! Steve, G7HEU, read this out
loud to your dog and see what kind of a look he gives
you. (HEE! HEE!)
Bye now, Cal K4JSR



 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The meter on that was messed up DUDE (I refuse to spell it dewd). Let me try again and see. Lets turn this into a limerick-pun thread now that the TROLLS are bored...remember Ibsen, BTW, who said something like "To Live is to war with Trolls.."

Anyway

There once was a man named Ampere,
Whose friends thought most sincere.

Then one day incorrectly hooked up a circuit,
The juice made his heart jerket,

And now he's well done and seared.

AH HAH!!!!
TOP THAT!!!!


PHILIP

I love the part about 2/3's of a pun is PU.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Be nice! That was a TWO METER LIMERICK!
Besides, I'm not Irish--except on 3/17!
Let's see here, hmmmmmmm.
There was a young Ampere from Kahrtoum
who wrestled with Volta up in his room

It was a terrible fright
that lasted all night

Then they short circuited
and went KER-BOOM!

You might say that was a FLASH in the PAN! :-)

In days of old when Amperes were bold
and capacitors weren't particular
they lined them up and discharged them all
and the current went perpendicular

I might not be able to top it, but I sure
can make folks wish I had! :-P
73 Cal K4JSR (Just Sloppy Rhymes)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! BRILLIANT!!! YOU HAVE SUCCEEDED MAGNIFICENTLY MAESTRO!!!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by N2MG on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4JSR:

No ad ohminy grits up this way!

Mike N2MG
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, that is indeed a shame. I thought that the MG
stood for Mike's Grits! :-D

Philip, Dewd is the mispelled past tense for dude.
But if it bothers you to spell it that way, don't!
No need to get past tense. Just being presently
up tight is sufficient!.

Where is Mr. Hawes when you need a great limerick
from the UK? After all, the first half of limerick
is lime! (Don't hurt me too bad, Steve! :-D)

Hairball time again!

There was a very young man named Ampere
with his mind everyone tried to tampere
but it was with no goodly avail
as into the pail
mama threw his used pampere!

Careful! That one is *LOADED* with meanings!

There was a young man named Faraday
whose capacity everyone would parody
but he was no fool
'cause when he answered energetically
Ohmigosh! it was such a Joule!

There was a young dude who said
"Hi! I'm Heiny Hertz!"
who got caught looking up filter's skirts
in a text book with cover of red
and now the poor dude is DED!

So much for rhymes with poor reason!
73 Cal K4JSR In the land of the poetic challenged.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mr Hawes here

Blimey am I that old already? I always think of Mr Hawes as me father, ( cor blimey guv'nor 1/2Lb welks and sum nice jellied eel for yur tea and no messin abouht).

I would love to post an erudite reply but it's 20:00 Friday night here. I am English and I must visit the battle cruiser ( Boozer ). It's the law ya know - God bless ya Sir. Spare a dollar fer an Inglish peasant?

The trouble ( and strife ) is bending me ear already. She wants 'er mothers ruin she does. There ain't no stopping 'er when she's got a Friday thirst on.

TTFN

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.




 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
YOWSA-this thread is still going!
I had the flu.

GUD to be Hohm on the range, where the OM's grange!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WF7A on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Theory...law... :S

What we need to solve this question is Sherlock Ohms...and of course the venerable Dr. Watt, son. :D

I think the electron/nuclear force in my brain has finally gone straight to ground.

ba dum dum
 
musical pun #28  
by KC8LWV on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Since it is so close to Xmas, "Ohm come all ye faithful"....
 
Criminal Iimericks on my article thread  
by KA4KOE on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
MIKE IS BACK!!!

Hallejujah!!! Ok, man, you need to write a limerick quickly.
 
RE: Criminal Iimericks on my article thread  
by K4JSR on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
One thing for sure: Criminal limericks don't pay!

There was a young laser pumper named Mike
when told to write a limerick said "YIKE!"
"PAN, I no can do
for I have had the flu
and when I try
I cough up goo!"

Now you see why they don't pay!

The following was started on another thread about transceiver design on eham.

There was a young Cockney called HUE
who tried to start a limerick or two,
When helped by VWM
he began to haw and hem
and said "ok mate I started
now you go 'til it is through".

Okay Richard, your turn again...OVER OVER

Cal K4JSR In my cell at the famous Fort Yargo
Sanitorium for the Criminally Limerick Insane
with no rhyme off for good limericks!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

Posted By WA2JJH

I wanna new rig, and not that ICOM $7000 pig
If I may be so bold, use circuits of rigs young and old.

To start my transceiver heaven, give me the case,look,
finals, and front end of the DRAKE TR-7!

Add a little Kenwood glee, the rf speech proc., dual sel. xtal I.F. and that great twin PBT on the TS-850!

OK, I will settle for an ICOM-flavor of the month DSP!

And for goodness sake give me the notch filter and audio of a R4C DRAKE!.

Not to leave yeasu with no glee. please put in the 6M,2M, and 440 ability of the FT-100D!

This is the rig of my wish, if you do not like it...go fish!

73 MIKE





 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Got me a problem with the cable TV man several times a year.

They seem to like cutting my verticals radials, they find tht so dear!

So, I came up with a high tech solution, with no RFI pollution.

On my roof I set up a wireless video camera and a 10W YAG laser IR diode pumped.

One night the cable morons went upon my roof.
one guy yelled HIGH TECH MOROM, all the others could do was jump!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The cable man did not see the light, he just felt it!
After he hit the ground did he yig yag as he ran away?
I guess he didn't know whether to get lit or go blind!
The neat-o thing is with your 10 Watt IR laser, if
on the right wavelength, play hob with all of the cable guy's remote controlled set top boxes!
That's real TVI with no RF. A new dimentia in ham
radio!
Anyway Mr. Jumpmaster, after the cable guy completed his jump did you give him his Blood Wings? HOOOOAH!
SOOOOOOO VWM, how much limerick software would you like to buy? 500? Great! :-P
I guess KOE has caused a limerick PAN-ic!
I need to go and take my meds with another cup of coffee. (The beverage, not the UN guy!)
Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There once was a man named Ohm,
Who had guests that wouldn't go home.

So he wired up their dinner chairs,
And electrified their derrieres.

Now its just Georgy and the dog all alone!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
sup DEAD DUDE CREW!
I am just drinking my mornin brew.
Getting over a wicked flu.
So bad, I cannot send a CQ!

It's O degress in NYC
enough to freeze your eyeballs, and ya wont see.

Just noticed a syncronistic possibility
Georg Simon Ohm and I have the same D.O.B!

Tell ya Cal 10Watts of IR is nastier than 10W of RF.
Has to do with planks constant.
E=KF. In other words higher the hertz, the more it hurts!

I am just using my 2 watt IR laser to warm my hands.
Lasers are a lot of fun, you can get burned, thats a pun!

Who knows when I build my 50W, it could be neat, to set off garbage cans from across the street!(HI-HI, I am not a pyro!)

73 to our happy little crew, got to get some more over caffeinated brew!

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OHMIGOSH! Philip, that was masterful! But what is
Georgi's doggerel doing in a limerick? Just ARFUL!
Mike, I used to be a construction supt. back before
1974. I had to CONSTANTLY deal with PLANCKS!
I had to do it. I was framed! Especially since I had
lost my footings! I guess that was because I was too
timid to BATTER BOARDS. PAN can just be speculative
on the Masonry.

You guys are too tough for me this morning. I've
been laughing so hard that my Giga Hertz!
Now that the laser limericks are here we will have to
start writing them in nano meters! I can see the
ANGSTROM clouds on the horizon coming this way.
Technical question; Are holes the majority carriers
in Donuts?
Philip, no matter where we go from now on, this place
will always be OHM.
I'll be BACK...
K4JSR
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by K4JSR on January 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
We still need to hear from Mr. Hawes about your last
limerick. Maybe that bun warming included some
London Derriere?
Bye again
 
Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by WA2JJH on January 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Group sierria---IP persona non grata pro rhe nata sans
dominus carpleso sonata soche SIG:stat.Q-hs.
esso santanus affirm-Q visa-vi email me direct pse.
Telco, if possible
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by G7HEU on January 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Gents

The English posterior is fine (thanks for worrying).

Apologies for the lack of posts. Due to a combined lack of both time and ability to add anything worthwhile.

Normal service will be resumed shortly.

Hey Phillip - when can we expect the next DED?

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA4KOE on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
When the last one disappears off the front. Thats how cliff's been doing it. ONe is always up front it seems.
 
Notice  
by KA4KOE on July 26, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Dead Electrical Dudes are
© 2004 Philip Neidlinger
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes No. 5  
by KA0YKO on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> By the way, did anyone here see the Mythbusters
> episode about Lucy?

Do you mean the one where Ricky, Fred, and Ethel saw Lucy dancing with Milton Bearl on a skyscraper ledge?

It really wasn't filmed at 20 stories high?

Ohm-My!
 
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