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Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6

Philip Neidlinger (KA4KOE) on January 13, 2004
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This Month's Stiff: Count Alessandro Giuseppe Antonio Anastasio Volta (whew!)

Entered Mortal coil: 8 February 1745

Assumed Room Temperature: 5 March 1827

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"Signore Artist, How long must I hold up this book?”

I look upon these old posed portraits with skepticism. By that, how long did Mr. Volta have to hold that book for this painting? Perhaps Volta's friend and contemporary, Mr. Luigi Galvani, b.k.a. The Frog Torturer, would have gladly offered to shock his biceps to help with those nasty muscle cramps. Anyway, I digress…

Everytime you fumble around in the dark during a power outage, cursing because the flashlight doesn't work, or are stranded because the darn car won't crank, or lose all the memories and/or operating parameters in your HF radio's volatile memory, or you are simply caught flat-footed on Christmas morning as your child cries because his new Super Destructor Evil Doom Machine is only a piece of inanimate plastic, its all because we have come to rely on a relatively ubiquitous piece of technology referred to technically as the voltaic cell. But, almost 200 years ago, this invention literally and figuratively shocked the scientific world (I apologize, this was too hard to resist!).

Signore Volta was born of nobility. At the age of only 14, young Alessandro set his life's course when he decided his career would be in the field of physics, with an emphasis on electricity. By 1778, the young scientist had isolated methane in the laboratory. He should have visited a nearby cow pasture, in my opinion, for fresh samples of the gas! Volta also invented a static charge accumulator which is the basis of modern capacitors. Such was Alessandro's success in his endeavors that he was awarded the Copley Medal by the Royal Society in 1791. Greater things and discoveries, however, were to come.

Back to Luigi Galvani: Volta's friend had been experimenting with the phenomena of what he termed “animal electricity”. Galvani had inserted electrodes of differing metals into a frog's legs, which resulted in muscular contractions (in essence, the “frog juice” was an electrolyte). Luigi thought he was providing a path for the natural animal electricity.

Volta read and discussed his friend's findings, disagreed with Luigi good-naturedly, and investigated further. Volta removed the frog, used alternating discs of copper and zinc, and inserted absorbent cardboard pads between the discs which were impregnated with a suitable solution of salts or acid. In 1800, he stacked many of these discs together, a “battery” of them, so to speak, and was greeted with success. The potential generated by only 20 of these discs was enough to inflict pain. Napolean Bonaparte requested a “command performance” of Alessandro in 1801 for a personal demonstration of the device. So impressed was the potentate with the “pile of discs” that Volta was eventually made a Count. This invention is also referred to as the voltaic pile.

For Volta's work, the unit of electromotive force, the VOLT, designated by either the symbols “E” or “V”, was named after him.

Philip Neidlinger, P.E.

KA4KOE

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Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WN9V on December 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
Philip,
Thank you for another article that lends perspective to the technology. I wonder how many hams read the article and contemplated brewing their own QRP power supply. Let's see, a penny and a dime and a paper spacer plus some spit will give me almost a half a Volt...
73, Don
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by AC6RM on January 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
potato battery:

http://www.quantumscientific.com/pclock.html

did this with my 8-yr old daughter. works well.

great series; tks es 73 de AC6RM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
So it was Galvani who was first to play "Frogger"!
Another mystery solved! Thank you!
Philip, you have another fine article for the cell mates! You will probably get a whole battery of puns!
I hope they don't CHARGE you for them.
Or POLARIZE the rest of us!
73, Cal K4JSR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Too bad about the frogslegs experience. Too bad re-animation juice was not the cause of the frog leg jump.

So all we are stuck with is stupid electroytes!
Wish re-animation juice was invented instead.

We could bring back those from the dead. What do we gotz, a stupid battary instead!

This is a sensitive area to tread, but the heck with walkmans and Boomboxe's..lets HAVE A REAL DAWN OF THE DEAD!

73 and chuckles DE MIKE
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KH6TO on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I never commented on anything at this web site...BUT these write-ups are GREAT!!! I look foward to these articles...

While in college, I recall seeing some geeks (I too am a Geek!) wearing tee shirts with Maxell's equations...I wonder if there is any place that sells these types of tee shirts???

Mike, PE, KH6TO

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KL7IPV on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I haven't tried the wires in frog's legs trick. I HAVE put wires into hot dogs and with the right amount of current have cooked them until they were just good enough to eat. A bun, mustard, relish......
Great stuff.
73
Frank
KL7IPV
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KL7IPV, actually you are too modest sir. No you did not create DED dudes 6 experiment. You recreated one of Thomas Alva edisons inventions...The Electric chair!

For this great scientifc accomplishment you win a prize!

We know you did not want the FREE KENWOOD TS-2000 FROM THE gigaparts SWEEPSTEAKS!

You have just won an authentic $5.00 rancid Hotdog from the 2003 Dayton hamfest!

It will be sent to you 5th class mail to insure freshness!

Congradulations! Bon appetite!

73 and laughs DE MIKE WA2JJH
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KB1IVU on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Any relation to that electric dancer from the movie Saturday Night Fever...John Tra-Volta
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KB1KQI on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let's carry this a step further...how about a potato-powered QRP transceiver!?!

73 de Jim KB1KQI
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KB9YNB on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Re: Shirts with Maxwell's equations.

Every year our emag professor would form an intra-mural cross country team. Every year the shirts would say "Team Emag" and have maxwell's equations on the back.

One year, they even said:

"And then God said:"

(insert Maxwell's equations)

"And there was light"

Very cool.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Just subscribing.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KT8K on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
A potato-powered QRP rig is a great idea.
Would that mean that the "PP" in QRPp stands for "potato power"?
I can hear it now on 7040, "tkx om, running 2 potato power here."
73 de kt8k - Tim (perhaps soon to be heard using potato power ...)
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by W0UCE on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Philip:

You continue to bring humor, good reading and history to this site. Thank you and please keep the series going.

73,
Jack W0UCE
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KG4KTW on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Just what did one do with the dead frogs? Eat them possibly for a tasty little treat? Does one think that this is cruelty to animals?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WT0A on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Potato powered rigs were really popular in (where else) Idaho
WT0A, ex N7QHH
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K8KS on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KH6TO, the shirts with Maxwell's equations originated at M.I.T. in the 60's, I believe. The equations were preceded by the phrase, "God said," and were followed by "and there was light!" The shirts spread like wildfire to other campuses. You can still get them at the MIT bookstore (Tech Coop, cum. Harvard Coop) in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I am sure other college stores, such as Caltech, GA Tech, Purdue, etc., would still have them.

73,

Kaz (M.I.T. Class of '71)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by N1OFZ on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
A quick google search shows http://www.scienceteecher.com/physics.html has Maxwell T-shirts
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WF7A on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, it's a little known historical fact that Galvani's experiments using frogs was two-fold: he performed his electrical experiments on them after performing auditory ones.
See, Galvani wanted to test frogs' hearing ability so he caught one from his villa's pond, set it down on a painted line on the lab floor, and yelled "Jump!" The frog jumped 2.5 meters. He then cut off a leg and yelled "Jump!" again. The frog jumped 1.5 meters. After writing down his results, he cut off another leg and yelled, "Jump!" The frog jumped 74 cm. Cutting off a third leg, he--you guessed it--commanded "Jump!" The poor frog jumped just over 3 cm.
Galvani cut off the the poor frog's last leg and set it down on the painted line.
"Jump!" he yelled.
The frog didn't move.
"Jump!" he yelled again.
Still, no movement. Galvani sighed, took pen in hand, then wrote in his lab book "After cutting off all four frog legs, frog is deaf."

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This has to be the funniest post to date I have read on these articles...frog is deaf, that is rich!!!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA4BWO on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is absolutly shocking!!!! Animals and electicity! Why where was the ASPCA when we needed them. Why it was in Volta!! He delivered the frog. Or rather removed him. Thank you V for the E in our lives. Keep up the good work. D
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KT3K on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting and well written, once again.

coolness,
KT3K
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Philip..Like another poster said (USE A MILES DAVIS VOICE) Cooolnesss. Got them 2 Drake TR-7's today,
I will telco.

73 MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, Could you cook those frog legs with one of your lasers? How about a hamfest hotdog?
We wuz talkin' frog legs here. Drakes is ducks!
How about a laser roasted drumstick?
PETA= People Eating Tasty Animals.
Vegetarian=Lousy hunter.
That should stir it up, Philip! :-D
73, Cal K4JSR

 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, you can cook with lasers....but not very well!
Most of the lasers I own have 1mm beam diamter at the apeture.

Best cooking use would be to pop corn 1 Kernel at a time(HI-HI).

Those $5 dollor rancid hot dogs sold at hamfest are made out of Jimmy Hoffa!

You really would not want me to tell you what Hotdogs are made of. You will want to retroactively BARF up the last 20 years!

Dang, The finals in a TR-7 can handle 400Watts!
Trying to fix the broken one. I have TR-7 parts all over the place. Cal, they really knew how to build radio's back then.

Ohh frog legs...They taste like chicken, NO?
I would rather mske bstteries out of them. I have done my share of dissecting things, frogs aint that bad.

Anybody know how many frog leg batteries it takes to power a 100W DC bulb? My guess is that you would be knee high in frog legs.

Good thing they decided on volts. We could have been stuck with another hourse power deal, I think that is 700 watts. How about frogleg-ameters.

It takes 2000 frogometers top power a stereo.

Go into Radio-Schlock-ask for a 200 frogometer battary?

I will be on line for a while. Worling on thi TR-7.
I might have to go to the ELMER section on what tis Drake is doing.

73 MIKE





 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, actually, the direct conversion is about 756 watts equals 1 HP.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Gee, It looks like batteries (many cells) are picking
up at a FROGarithmic progression! How does one
derive an antifrog? Popcorn would be nice, you know, something from the kernel.
Who is on first. Watt is on second. Horsepower?
756 Watts on second? Surely 755 would be called out!
I must go back to Jug Tavern and have my meds checked.
I hope I don't flatten out too many deer on the way.
73, Cal K4JSR Beautiful Downtown Bethlehem, Ga.
A suburb of Jug Tavern.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There was a young ham from Savannah
who did slip and fall caused by a banana
he scribbled some prose
about a dead electrical dude
and got anwered by limericks so rude!

I am too ashamed to sign for this one!
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Philip, they keep putting your mug up on EHAM.
You got a face for radio!


Your friend MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KE2IV on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WF7A,

You go a bit too far dude.

Maybe Italo-Americans do not find your Volta b.s. story as funny as you do?

It would be like perhaps calling you a "stupid spud picker"?

BTW: did you at least eat the frog's legs before making racist cracks?

George
KE2IV
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KG6MVX on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
About Volta holding that book...

It was common practice until, oh somewhere in the early 20th century, to hold a book (nearly always the Holy Bible) in a portrait or photograph to show that you were literate. When people saw your portrait or photograph with that book, they knew that you were educated.

As literacy increased, this practice dwindled.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KG6MVX obervation is very correct. Hoewever it new prop. has replaced that tradition.

The kids at the Unversity I am at carry around the new ultra slim laptops with the 2.4 gig wireless built in.

This is an Engineering/bio-medical school.

You may think these kids are smart, right.
I catch them using thier IBM SLIM BOOKS T-40 for video games, email, and porno.

The students are required to carry the slim books on campus all the time.

They look identical to the guys that just had a bible in hand. Lots of knoweledge.....seldom used!

I find the idea of eating frog legs...RE-VOLT-ING!
Yeah , I know they taste just like chicken, somebody will tell me!

Yet the same guys at the club think my practice of eating raw clams on the half shell...RE-VOLT-ING!

Philip how many millivolts do you get from the average frog leg, copper and zinc?

I built the patato LCD clock too. You get about a week before the potato gets all moldy. Ironicly the voltage goes up! Bacteria and molds with the right metals in solution generate voltage.

I guess you can run a QRP rig all day on potatos, then eat the potatoes. That would be good for the enviorment!
If you had no contacts, at least you have part of dinner!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Speaking of Dawn of the Dead, Mike, Look who's back...
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
wHO SAW ""DAWN OF THE DEAD"", THE MOVIE?

The 1980's one, not the 1950's one? I am working on a limmerick ..stay tuned. You will have had to have seen dawn of the dead, to really get it!

73 and remember the only Dope woth shooting is
Ossama Bin Ladin!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KC2GSK on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Forget about using frog legs to generate power. With all the strange and unusual food that most hams eat someone should come up with a methane gas to electric power converter......."Lets see now... If I eat two White Castles i can run my 817 at full power for......
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K3ESE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Volta was, clearly, a dude. Just a pre-emptive strike, here. Back to original programming...
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Jimmy Hoffa is in White Castle burgers!
Also you should use the potato battery for powering
an ATV station. It could watch too! It has eyes!
And since when is a discussion of deaf frogs racist?
At the worst it is only insensitive to Quadrapleplegics!
Some people will just hop at anything!
Raw clams? as Fleming would say, "Bye Valve"!

There was a scientist named Galvani
who tortured frogs a many
treated them far worse than dogs
and now causes some to come blowing fogs

Don't eat clams raw at a bar boisterous
You may puke and not be rejoiceterous
at a gut filled with bivalves superfluous
you won't come out impervious!

There was a young ham from NY City
who would not eat a hamfest rancid hotdog
or the legs of a frog
Now that's just a gosh awful pity!

There was an english ham called HEU
who said of my limericks PU!
I said I could not do better
sooo here is my VERSE to you!

Cough! GAG! Back to my padded hamshack!
73 Cal K4JSR

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To K3ESE; You DUDE IT, DAHDAH!
And furthermore ditdit!
See ya, Lloyd! :-)
73 Cal K4JSR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Nice little poem there CAL!

It seemed to encapsulate the whole thread!
One correction, I refuse to eat $5.00 RANCID hoydogs sold at hamfest's.

I eat plenty of 75 cent hotdogs from a little place in NYC called GREY's Papaya. They ar not rancid.

Problem is they are so good you eat 10 of them.
Then you get sick!

Now, the Line that white castle hambergers sold near giants stadium is mine. That line is has a royalty fee
od a Drake TR-7A.

Please send royalty payment promptly or my italian friends and family from the social club, will have your nuts in red clam sauce at Umberto's.

Every time I get my Rigatoni Palmermo with clams, I always worry about the clams.
Last week some skell did not make the ""VIG"" on the $2.50, Nunzio lent him. That wek one was to rubbery.

I am half italian. I did not take any offense from the O.M.'s post from 7 land! None of the crew at the social club did either.

I feel like having HOFFA-Burgers for lunch. I have to have a full tummy before I pistol whip somebody!

Bonjorno de amiche!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, My boys are sending you a czech in the mail.
Don't send your boys down here to get me or I'll take
them to the Varsity and show 'em what *REAL* hot
dogs are all about. I'll get 'em some Fries and Onion
rings and a Big Orange to wash it all down with.
Just watch their arteries clog! So if you value your
boyz... We don't have White Castle down here, we
have Krystal which is similar. We don't call them burgers, either. They are Krystal Gut Bombs!
Enough to give heart burn without going to an Italian
Restaurant! But we got a good one of those over in
Jug Tavern, just the other side of Fort Yargo fron here. All this talk about food is making me hungry.
Come on down and I'll buy you some lunch at our
world famous Road Kill Cafe. Critter Fritter on a
hubcap is the meal du jour. Of course we can get you
some Armadillo which is Possum on the half shell if
you'd prefer. You might say "Ciao" but I respond
instead with CHOW? :-P
Philip, Come on over too and you can have your
fill up!
73 for now. Time to hit the hiway for some supper!
Got a spare Possum flipper?
Cal K4JSR member of PETA-- People Eating Tasty
Animals
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
We refer to Krystals as murder burgers or belly bombers.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K2WH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
They are not "Dudes"

K2WH
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Road Kill Cafe....actually if given the choice between possum and sushi, I'll take sushi any day. I prefer meals that don't have tire track marks on them. Bait is great, man.

Thank you WH for your usual post. It wouldn't be the same without you. No kidding. A least you're not a crazy or psycho with nihilistic, bomb-throwing tendencies. Adds character and spice to the thread discussion.

Speaking of spice, Mike, pass the wasabi for my nigiri sushi, please.

I ate frog legs in Louisiana one afternoon near Slidell. Chicken legs are better, IMHO. The legs didn't jerk when I put the knife and fork into them, so I guess the electrolytic juice was cooked out.

PAN
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
NEMO IS IN SUSHI!!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the article KOE.

Also thanks to the gent that posted the info about holding a bible etc in old paintings - also interesting.

Thanks guys.

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes Philip, I too look foward to WH's minimalist writing.

WH, is it a running joke. Running jokes are always welcome! Or, are you really serious?

From a physiologist view point you are correct, they are after all dead.

So after the many years of decomposition, in the present tense...They are not DUDEs! They are masses of molocules.
However dead electrical masse'sof molecules does not sound as good as dead electrical dudes.

However Philip,myself, and many others are very worried yu will not make your statement. It makes for a good running joke. It is like a Monty Python ditty.

Also not to be overlooked is our other minimalist friend that simply states.....Coolness, like Miles Davis after a hard jazz gig.

As for White castle hambergers. The white castle near giants stadium did have the Jimmy Hoffa Burgers for a while. They ran out of Hoffa after 2 months.

So the Hoffa-burgers you may be buying are fake! What you are eating are assorted members from "MOB INFORMANTS ANONAMOUSE".

They is a federal invsetigation going on right now.
One Mob informants ananamouse meeting just blew up!

Foul play cannot come right to mind. It seems that FARTERS ANONAMOUSE was having their 12 step meetings in the same meeting hall. It seemed that a member of Mob informants anonamouse lite up a cigarette while a farter was sharing. So the FBI has concluded that case is...... lets just say natural causes!

The whole humor feedback from the dead dude series is very much like a favorite book of mine.

The book is called ET-TU BABY. The book is extremely funny. One has to have a technical background to understand much of the humor.

73 and SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE--MAD MIKE



We do lok foward to you contribution either way
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well of course it's not really a 'voltaic cell'. That's a simplification for those that don't do real electronics.


ONLY JOKING.


 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HIYO, WH! I was just wondering if you were having a
running thing with Lloyd K3 DIT DIDIDIT DIT about
the dude bit. Or are you going to be as inscrutable
about it as Lloyd? And to Lloyd I say DIT DIT!
A pleasant good evening to you.
As for you, Mr. Hawes...
HI THERE!
Be nice or I'll write another limerick about ya, Mate!
K4KSR Saying 73 and looking for my meds and padded
hamshack.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Serious question:

Why do my U.S. chums use 'E' instead of 'V' ?

e.g. E=IxR.

Thanks

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.

p.s. Hello Cal.


 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, we use E or V interchangeably. If referring to for instance, voltage (emitter to collector), the correct designator is Vce. So I would write also

E = 15 volts.

At least thats how I seem to remember writing up my labs 20 years ago.

Kirchoff did some work as well. We may have to write one on him since he warped young Heiny Hertz's mind.

What I did hate with a passion, was H parameters in BJT small signal analysis.

And just before anyone posts one of these, no we're not interested in the least of discussing arcane apochrypha about why Volta is a fraud and is really the predecessor to the Anti-christ, and all this stuff about batteries was just out there to shock people, or one of the Knights Templar in exile in Italy after the crackdown by King Philip the Fair of France.

HAR HAR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
STEVE your qustion of why use E insted of V
is really derivitive of why did the chicken cross the road.....to get to the other side!!!!!

Or some people say potato, while others say patattoh
Tomato or is it tammatto.

I hope this expaination makes sense to you, it makes perfect sense to Philip and I.

How did the anti-christ get into this thread?
I had an ex girlfriend that, I was sure was the antichrist. Or is that antichristina?

We certainly do not have to think hard of which two lids to elect for a possible interim EHAM antichrist.
One smart ass from the westcoast, and one eastcoast
crab faced, hysteric shmuck that made a U.S mail death threat and made a vague threat to a 7 landers joke.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Warning to Mr. Hawes.
Sir, do not call anyone on this thread "CHUM".
Philip may mistake it for SUSHI!

Actually, we are just trying to "BAIT" you!
Why are you up so late tonight? Got another day off?

Also we use E over here because if there is enough of it and you come in contact with it, you'll go,
"EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"!

And Philip, certainly you don't expect the Spanish Inquisition, do you? That would be highly irregular
of you!

Back to my padded shack! (LURK! LURK!)
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Nah, the Spanish Inquisition had nuttin' to do with it...it was the French. Those lil cruel buggers would have loved high potential caddle prods. Actually, the Templars went underground in the 1400's. Volta was much later, so forgive the momentary historical time lapse error on my part.

Question: So I won't have to do a yahoo search; who is the unit of inductance, the Henry, named for?

Poor poem time kiddies:

It was with some reluctance, that
I must research the concept of inductance.

Perhaps it was a man named Henry
This would make for a change of scene-ry.

Never mind, I'll find out for myself,
And grab a large coil off me shelf.

We'll write about ampere-turns and mutual capacitance,
It will be quite technical and not happenstance.

All in all, its primarily inductively reactive,
We'll go back and make the articles proactive.

Just remember my friends I won't be shy,
I remind you its always E leads I.

There, thats cute.

Shoot me now. Make me stop this insanity.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
NO! We will not shoot you! You must live to take
Q and give A on inductors!

I sent this just for the L of it.
After all, in this thread you have the apparent power!

Do tell us all about Volt Time integral!

As the Ampere Turns is a soap opera starring Jimmy
Hoffa!

Don't believe me? Ask Nemo!

MUHAHAHA! Back to the meds

Is this inane or only insane--for most it is a pain!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HEU:

I thought "real" electronics had to do with one of those newfangled Zebco fishing setups with the carbon fiber poles.

Great for trout fishin' in these Georgia lakes and streams.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KL7IPV on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I have done further investigating....FORGET the voltaic cells for radio. I have found my ultimate power for my radios....The RONCO Frogomatic. Forget the hotdogs. The Frogomatic does it all. While shocking, steaming and cooking frog legs, the excess power is used to power my 706. Now if I can find the long extension, I can also go HF Packing. Lemme see, it was over here I think......
73
Frank
KL7IPV
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Frank, That was a ribbeting post!
Say, isn't Las Vegas where a ham can go and get tanned
and faded at the same time?
73, Cal K4JSR Beautiful Downtown Bethlehem, Ga.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WF7A on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Serious answer for your serious question, Steve:

E (in the voltage equation) stands for "electromotive force."

Ciao!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WF7A on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Oops! The rest of the above post didn't make it. Sorry!

We can blame physicists for originating, and us using, E instead of V; it's a more accurate--and according to my physics teacher--and better defined use of the voltage equation.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K3ESE on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Dude - totally, inexorably, a dude, dude. Get over it.
___________________________________________

Cal, what are those meds?!

The Varsity! Onion Rings! <nostalgia>



 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, WF7A is correct. The reason that the phycics dudes, and dudettes, like E is that EMF represents a
potential difference. Electrons flow from a source
more negative than positive. Some people think that
all circuits are made up from zero volts to some other value. Not so! In my early days as a technician, one of the more difficult concepts for me
to deal with was troubleshooting a control circuit
consisting of 4000 series CMOS. The voltage rails
ran from -15 VDC to -6 VDC. A potential difference
of 9 Volts DC. Not until I grasped the idea of
absolute values could I deal with it. Simple, just
think of -15VDC as your "zero point" and -6 VDC
as your +9 VDC. Hey! If this stuff was all that easy,
everybody would be doing it! You should of seen a boy that grew up dealing with vacuum tubes and analog
circuits (me) try to convince himself that there was
no conspiracy involved with digital circuits.
Zeros? Ones? Thats all? It was *HEXing* to say the
least. Sure made me flip-flop! Count on it! :-)
I still believe that I found the real MAYBE gate!
If you need more info, pop open some good
Stout and email me.
Lloyd....DUDE! Varsity food was always preferable
to Brittain Hall Dining Hall across I-85!
What's this between you and WH on Dudes?
I thought both of you had been around lond enough to
have "paid your DUDES"!
73 and DIT DIT! Cal K4JSR Beautiful Downtown
Bethlehem, Georgia
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by AE6IP on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Serious question:

> Why do my U.S. chums use 'E' instead of 'V' ?

> e.g. E=IxR.

It's a physics thing. E, in physics, is an electric field, while V is a scalar voltage.

We just forget to tell EEs that.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, the profs did tell us about "E" fields!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
IPV

I want a Frogomatic. Do you still get the bonus set of ginzu knives if you order within 10 minutes?

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Phil / KOE

What about hysteresis?

Which dude was responsible for that?

Twenty years ago they tried to teach me this stuff and it didn't really stick then. I think it was hysteresis that had a strange 'aide memoir' associated with it.

Something about holding a thumb vertical on a certain hand ( to represent something I've forgotton ) and the other fingers would indicate the flow of a magnetic field. Or was it all a teachers joke?

Apologies for being serious twice!

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Right and left hand generator and motor rules. Forgot it too.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
What about B-H loops for magnetic personalities?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KC8VWM on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

According to most texts the "voltic pile," or electric battery, was invented in 1800 by the Count Alassandro Volta.

Volta had observed that when two dissimilar metal probes were placed against frog tissue, a weak electric current was generated. Volta discovered he could reproduce this current outside of living tissue by placing the metals in certain chemical solutions. For this, and his other work with electricity, we commemorate his name in the measurement of electric potential called the volt.

You see, there are now questions about whether Volta was the first to discover the volatc pile, or was it someone else?

Sitting in the National Museum of Iraq is a earthenware jar about the size of a man's fist. Its existence could require history books throughout the world to be rewritten.

The little jar in Baghdad suggests that Volta didn't invent the battery, but reinvented it. The jar was first described by German archaeologist Wilhelm Konig in 1938. It is unclear if Konig dug the object up himself or located it within the holdings of the museum, but it is known that it was found, with several others, at a place called Khujut Rabu, just outside Baghdad.

The jars are believed to be about 2,000 years old and consist of an earthenware shell, with a stopper composed of asphalt. Sticking through the top of the stopper is an iron rod. Inside the jar the rod is surrounded by a cylinder of copper. Konig thought these things looked like electric batteries and published a paper on the subject in 1940.

World War II prevented immediate follow-up on the jars, but after hostilities ceased, an American, Willard F. M. Gray of the General Electric High Voltage Laboratory in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, built some reproductions. When filled with an electrolyte like grape juice, the devices produced about two volts.

Not all scientists accept the "electric battery" description for the jars. If they were batteries, though, who made them and what were they used for?

So are these devices batteries?

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KC8VWM on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

So how is it that a 2,000-year-old clay jar can be called a battery?

Cut and paste for more information:

http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/ark/articles/battery.html

The 2,000-year-old clay jar found near Baghdad, Iraq, has been described as the oldest known electric battery in existence.


It has been dubbed the "Baghdad Battery" This is one of the most interesting mysteries surrounding the invention of electricity as we know it today.

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WF7A on January 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
A real footnote in history this time: the 2,000-year-old batteries were used to electroplate jewelry and other metal goodies, not as a power source for ancient transmitters to communicate with aliens as Eric von Daniken (sp?)--of _Chariots of the Gods?_ fame--once speculated.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KC8VWM on January 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WF7A,

True alien spacecraft were not contacted using this battery, but it was originally thought that the discovery of the "Volatic Pile" which means "Battery" was thought to have been originally discovered by Volta.

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KL7IPV on January 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KA4KOE, sorry the Ginzus are gone. They are offering a Vegematic in its place and then the automatic juicer. Oh for those who wish to know, I cast my one Volta for GW.
73
Frank
KL7IPV
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Everybody knew that RONCO,GINSU,and POPEIL, are the same dudes, right?

Ron Popeil is worth hundreds of millions with his ""just seen on TV do-hickeys""

it,slice's,it dices, it baby sits, it even parks the car, all this one just one potato!

Looks like MR RONCO is one smart dude.
His latest racket are the new grilling machines.

I just love it when he takes some pahlookah out of the audiance. Of course the pahlookah goes....Ummmm this is the best roasted chicken, I ever tasted!!!

Heard about the old clay pot batteries from 2000 years ago. They also messed around with electric eels.
They had thought zapping people with eels would cure
a plethoria of ills.

So I guess they invented the battery and SHOCK THEREPY, first! (Hi-Hi)

73 DE MIKE I will be scarce soon...have to get back to University crap. I love these long winter breaks.
It has been fun ,very educationial, and lotsa chuckles that might give you an abominal hernia!
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by W4ROT on January 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I say 6 more and you gotta 2005 DED calendar theme. These are great!
w4rot
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA5N on January 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Just curious did Volta use hemorrhoid cream on his voltaic piles?
Allen
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
JJH, How about a RONCO RANCID HAMFEST HOTDOG
MACHINE? Just the thing for busy college guys working
on advanced degrees!
Oh, and how are things going at Ground Zero Global
Warming Central?

73 and good book larnin'
Cal K4JSR
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think the $5.00 rancid hamfest hotdog, is played out.
It is not even a joke anymore because everybody has had one.

Nah..I will use a wheatgrass juicer. Cleans your whole G.I. system out. Suprised Ronco does not make em.

Got to compensate for all the HOFFA-BURGERS.
Buy em buy the sack. Puke em up by the roadside!

I have the BME certification now, just need 9 more credits for the Masters. 3 of the credits is my own work. So I will have the piece of paper soon. Hope the
combo EE/BME/MSBME will pay me the bux I used to make back in 1987!!!!!

So, I will be checking in at EHAM less.
Was on the TR-7, I got off of EBAY. Nice rig.
I like it better than the TS-850.

Lets set up a sked.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
TR7. Like it better. Seems like 20 shuts down early. Unless you can load up something on 75 or 40 at night?

PHILIP
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Phil and Co

Any of you guys using CW these days? I think I'm right in thinking that a portion of your excessively large U.S. 40Mtr bands overlaps with mine.

I've got 100W and about 12 - 15w.p.m. at my disposal. With that thrown up my G2.5RV I don't see how we could go wrong!

Let's really warm that TR-7 up, ( I presume we are talking about the V fine Drake radio and not the V poor British 'sports' car ).

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.

 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes. I'm an 20 wpm extra from Ye Olde Daze. Also use a Vibroplex Original Presentation Gold Bug with great skill (1st anniversary present). Comfortable at only 35 WPM due to familial and spousal responsibilities.

We colonials are indeed using 40m CW with great regularity.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Straight keys only please - no cheating.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OK GANG, I am down for a sked. CW.(no offence to NCT's)
You will have to suffer my fist on a vintage JJ-38.
Philip could you slow down for us from 35WPM to 15WPM?


73 DE MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Phil

You can Farnsworth me! Can cope with a 25 - 30 w.p.m character speed plus gaps :-)

I don't think it will be today though - the band is so flat I had to double check that my ATU was switched to the right place. There's a YU and F here and that's all at present ( 20:09 UTC ).

Glad I heard them in that order..........
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
( Didn't mean to be rude about you Vibroplex. I know they are very nice and require skill to use).
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Real hams use J-38s. Still using the one I bought
from Walter Ashe Radio for 88 cents back in the
mid-50's. I haven't been on HF much for several
years and am a bit rusty. But heck, at my age,
everything I have is rusty! :-( SIGH!
How did you folks like your TROLL HOUSE COOKIES?
73, Cal K4JSR
I still remember how to send QRS, though!
Just don't tell me to QLF!! ;-D
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
No, real hams use a 'Kent' key. Beautifully made in England and bought last year from a strange lady on E-bay.

Details here:

http://www.kent-engineers.com/morseKEYindex.htm
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
REAL HAMS!, brilliant. Somebody should start a humor thread on EHAM on what REAL HAMS do.
Maybe I will give it a go.

1)Real Hams solder!
2)Real Hams will take a new rig and run it,without looking at the manual for hours.
3)Real Hams(RM's) do not surf!
4)Real Hams strip wire with their teeth!
5)Real Hams.....ect

73 DE MIKE
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great! My Breitling B-1 does UTC. Name a time(UTC) and day, I will be there. That is if I am not too busy.
Sorry Philip, no cheating. Brass pounding only!

Yes, your 24K Vibroplex is a dream key. I have a vintage one. It is the BLUE RACER. It was from Vibroplex, when Vibroplex was in NYC.

Problem...The paddles are broke. I am missing 2 weights. Where does one get parts?????
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Blimey - I was a bit alarmed for a moment. I just assumed a Brietling B-1 was some kind of side arm. Now I know.

I'd rather co-ordinte the sked via e-mail. Otherwise just think, all those other people on E-ham laughing at my appaling morse. You can look me up on here :-)

Where's Philip?

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
JJH

Are you looking for a short weight or a long one?
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by G7HEU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Prob last from me this eve:

If you think I am being hopeful with my G2.5RV I have access to some land at weekends and am already working on either a steerable 40Mtr dipole or a 2 e beam. All dependant on my construction skills / availabilty of junk material.

 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Either one long or two short weights will do. My dit paddle is broken. My dit paddle is now made of Gaffers
tape.
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by KA4KOE on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You get parts from vibroplex. Well if I can't use my bug then NO CW. Its my only sending device here.
 
Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by WA2JJH on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ok PHILIP, use you 24K Vibroplex, be that way(HI-HI)

My new thread I am working on is...What a Real Ham does!

I could say a REAL HAM would make a straight key out of a tin can, some nails,and
a piece of wood!

A Real Ham can send CW by crossing the two wires together at 20 WPM!(HI-HI)

73 and a snicker MIKE
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by K4JSR on January 22, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HEU, It depends on the length of the QUE.
If the line is long, then it is a long wait! :-P
Gotcha last! Cal K4JSR :-D
 
RE: Dead Electrical Dudes - No. 6  
by W3SD on April 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Maxwell's equations shirts (integral form), in various colors are available from www.gaftee.com
 
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