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ARES -- Many Questions
Ford Peterson (N0FP)
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February 7, 2004
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Without a ham license, you would have access to radio communications in non-licensed services, like Cellular, FRS, CB, Part 15 devices, etc. The ham license allows people access to a luxurious array of bands and modes at power levels that only commercial, governmental, and military users enjoy. Primary factors in determining eligibility for a ham license currently include: (1) technical competence and an acceptable understanding of the physics and the mechanics of radio; (2) personal responsibility for understanding and practicing good operating procedures; and (3) Public Service. Public Service is just one of the reasons you are allowed to enjoy a ham `ticket.' In my opinion, Congressional and FCC officials look at Public Service as being the ONLY reason hams are granted access to radio spectrum in such a profound manner.
The Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) in America is the ARRL's attempt at putting ham radio's best foot forward with respect to public service. Where possible, ARES units provide communication when traditional systems fail. In practice, ARES is not, and should not be, an extension of law enforcement or the military. Rather, ARES attempts to provide communications for agencies in support roles during a disaster - The Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc., are good examples of `served agencies.'
Several areas of the country are repeatedly confronted with disasters: hurricanes in the south and east, fires in the Rocky Mountains, earthquakes, floods, and our nation's most recent wide-spread concern—terrorist inflicted destruction, and medical disasters. It is these last two items that present the biggest challenge for ARES. Why?
Capable man power, the availability of rugged equipment, and a prepared organization, are the key ingredients to measuring success or failure of ARES in the event of an unexpected disaster. Outside currently active disaster areas, ARES is generally formed around local `units' at the county level (many, if not most rural counties, have no active ARES unit). Local ARES units scurry about looking for agencies to serve. They prepare equipment and train interested hams to provide these services, which are generally fairly simple geographically local exercises. By organizing and training at the local level, ARES training and practice is often limited to geographically small areas—a town, or section of a town. Without `section level' and even `multi-section level' activities and training, ARES is largely neglecting the communications need in the event of a wide-spread catastrophe.
The ARES challenge is really a man power problem. More people need to be involved. This means more people need to volunteer, and some must volunteer to provide leadership. The scope of ARES's mandate may need to be expanded to include large areas, which the county level local units cannot possibly accommodate.
In my discussions with local ECs, Section Management, and other hams, many questions about expectations come to mind. I believe that most, if not all, hams would rise to the occasion to serve their neighbors by providing communications in the event of a wide-spread catastrophe. I also believe that a large percentage of hams would feel obligated to participate by sharing their time and equipment, should the urgent need arise. The trouble is:
Is Joe Hamm willing to stand up and provide equipment and man power in the event of a wide-spread emergency?
Does Joe Hamm have any rudimentary training in providing communications?
Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures?
Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time?
Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?
What form of organization would Joe look to for guidance?
I consider myself to be like Joe Hamm in many ways. In my opinion: 1) yes, when the need is here, my station and skills are available; 2) no, the ARRL's EC1 course is chronically full, Section Level ARES management feels no responsibility and has no mandate or resources for training; 3) yes; I have never passed traffic even though I have listened to and checked into a hundreds of nets, so I have no clue; 4) yes; 5) ARES; 6) possibly; 7) a National Organization structured around Section Level `units' instead of County level `units' with rudimentary training provided.
I am but one voice with an opinion. eHam is a thousand voices with as many opinions. Let's hear them.
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by NT7S on February 7, 2004
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Maybe some groups would be more successful if they didn't treat ARES/RACES as some sort of clique. I tried to join groups in two different counties and left in disgust both times because of the way I was treated. In both cases, I was virtually ignored because I wasn't a part of the buddies that were the core of the group. Before anyone starts to flame me, know that I tried my best to involve myself. I went to meetings and drills, and introduced myself to almost everyone. I volunteered to help with some of the boring work that no one else wanted to do, but the leaders of the groups would not involve me. I hope that ARES is better for most people than it has been for me, because I won't try that again. Being burned twice is enough.
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by KC8VWM on February 7, 2004
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>>>The ham license allows people access to a luxurious array of bands and modes at power levels that only commercial, governmental, and military users enjoy.<<<
Well said!
We need to better appreciate this luxury and we need to show our appreciation by providing more "Joe Ham's" offering our services to the community.
We need more volunteers!
You got my vote!
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by KD5SFK on February 7, 2004
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3. Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures?
4. Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time?
6. Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?
The answers to these three questions has to be no. You can't force people to volunteer their time and equipment for emergency communications. People have to want to help. I would hope that many amateur radio license holders would want to volunteer their time and skills in emergency situations, but requiring emergency communications training and work is going a step too far. I think it would turn people away from amateur radio. I say this as an ARES member.
KD5SFK
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by NA4IT on February 7, 2004
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I think one of the biggest hurdles to over come is the fact that everyone involved in public service needs to realize it is about helping people. When individuals, clubs, groups, or governments place anything above that fact, it is not functioning as it should.
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by N9KWW on February 7, 2004
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3. Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures?
4. Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time?
6. Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?
I think this sums this up well.]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
COMMISSION (CONTINUED)
PART 97--AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE--Table of Contents
Subpart A--General Provisions
Sec. 97.1 Basis and purpose.
The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an
amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the
following principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service
to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service,
particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through
rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and
technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio
service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance international goodwill.
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by K0BG on February 7, 2004
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I agree that it is a manpower problem. We have about 150 hams in this county (Chaves NM) and we're lucky to get 6 to a club meeting and maybe 3 or 4 to an ARES meeting. Yet at the local truck stop where we meet for breakfast every Saturday morning, we get 10 to as many as 20. We're actually thinking about moving the club meeting time to Saturday mornings.
Alan, KØBG
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by AETHERBURNER on February 7, 2004
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Let me address the following questions....
1.
Is Joe Hamm willing to stand up and provide equipment and man power in the event of a wide-spread emergency?
** Yes, providing that him/her sees the process as fulfilling one of their needs. Sorry to sound like Maslow but this is a big driver in this situation. Then again there are other factors that can limit participation - family need and concerns, work requirements, etc.
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Does Joe Hamm have any rudimentary training in providing communications?
** I would have to say no based on my experiences. Here in Wisconsin, I can honestly say that out of all the Hams here that very, very few actually participate in routine traffic handling. The list is published of who regularly check in and where from to assist in routing of messages. Plus, hard-core message handling training is not really done and you have to learn by doing. Here again Maslow does apply. Unless their job requires them to do message handling, it is not an innate ability unfortunately.
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Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures?
** This would be nice to have, especially in the case of an emergency. The training allows for a net to flow smoothly and get the job done. An emergency is not a place for on-the-job training and that has to be done before an emergency happens and we are needed for assistance. If I was the IC for amateur radio communications at an emergency, I would only use people who can efficiently pass traffic to work the message nets and all others would be assigned support roles. My customer would expect nothing less than 100% and I have to assign personnel who can achieve this goal. Would I want to see this training and understanding as a requirement for participation in ARES/RACES, yes. This then guarantees a modicom of usable knowledge and hopefully the needed tools to participate efficiently in a message handling situation.
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Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time?
** Without a doubt. As the old saw goes, "Use it or Lose it".
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Who should train Joe?
** The local ARES/RACES group should participate in the training of its members. The training should be the responsibility of the leaders. There is also the EC-00x courses sponsored by the ARRL with funding from various sources. It was commented that EC-001 is always filled up. These courses use volunteer mentors, both on-line and in person, to train the students. If there are more students than mentors, there will be a waiting line and this is usally the case. Once again, Maslow drives participation of people to be volunteer mentors. Yes, I am a mentor/instructor for EC-001 through EC-003. <Cheap and shameless plug> We need more graduates of the courses to become mentors/instructors to eliminate this bottleneck </Cheap and shameless plug>. With a common core set of training skills, interoperability becomes far easier in an ARESMAT situation. Operators from different areas then become 'plug-n-talk' with very little need for training in net procedures.
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Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?
** There was some commentary previous that it is mentioned in Part 97 about the Amateur Radio Service and its task of providing emergency communications. That is only one aspect of this multi-faceted hobby. The requirement of making basic skills a licensing consideration is too much of a regulatory burden and would not pass muster and this would end up making an unneeded litmus test by putting one aspect of the hobby above the others.
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What form of organization would Joe look to for guidance?
** Fellow hams who participate. We who know what to do have to ELMER those who want to know how to do this. This is one way that we can grow the hobby. But here again, Maslow (he keeps popping up) strikes again. The hams have to volunteer themselves to learn and avail themselves of the resources that are available plus the resources have to be available to achieve that knowledge transfer.
73,
Richard, N6NKO
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by N3SKO on February 7, 2004
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Since we are about to undergo some type of change in license classes and testing, and the ARRL (and others) seem intent to remove the CW requirement from the General, perhaps we should look at replacing the 5 wpm CW test with a verbal message reception/transmission test. At least at some point in time, you would need to demonstrate rudimentary message handling ability.
In Army MARS, we have a number of tasks in this vein which are required in the Basic Training Course. The examination committees could pick up some of this material right from the basic training manual.
- john (W3JKS, formerly N3SKO)
AAT3BF/AAM3O/AAA3DE/AAA9AC
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by WF7A on February 7, 2004
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I used to be the EC of San Diego County--one of the largest counties in the U.S.--for a few years and found that the overwhelming majority of hams who had signed up to become ARES members did so just for the status of belonging to the ARES; they really had no intention or inclination to participate in events or drills. (I was lucky if they just checked in during the weekly, on-air, Sunday evening net.) Even back in the 1980s--when I was the EC--there were all kinds of events that could've used our services but because of disinterest among the ARES members, they weren't manned. It didn't bode well for our public image then let alone now...especially since we're now looked upon as an anachronism of the last century and have a tough time proving to non-hams the potential and important value of our services.
If we're to survive as a public service then we really need to literally do more than just talk--we need to participate and practice our craft...else we'll have truly outlived our usefulness.
Maybe we should encourage single men and women to join the ARES since they wouldn't be worried about the safety and welfare of their immediate family in an emergency situation--something that (naturally) would affect the performance/dedication of an op who's married and or has kids in the home and whose heart and head are elsewhere.
Lastly, we ECs and SMs should be sure tell prospective members that they don't need expensive gear to be an ARES member: just dedication. Having a basic transceiver is fine, and even if a ham has no gear his or her help would be invaluable.
Okay, I'll step off my soapbox now.
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by W7HV on February 7, 2004
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I don't believe that public service is or should be required. I don’t have to perform any public service to go boating on public waterways, fly a plane through national airspace, visit national parks, or camp on BLM lands so why would I to gain access to the radio spectrum?
The radio spectrum is natural resource and bands throughout the spectrum should be reserved for access by the qualified public.
Yes, I know the FCC refers to amateur radio as a service but that is simply bureaucratic semantics. The term “service” is used to refer to any radio communications category including CB, FRS, GMRS, Cellular phones, paging, etc..
I don’t mean to in any way denigrate those hams who are interested in and participate in public service. It is a noble thing to do and, if it helps us get and keep spectrum, then by all means, tout that angle as much as you can, but it shouldn’t be the sole, or even main, justification for the maintenance of our bands.
Lou W7HV
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by K1CJS on February 7, 2004
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As an EC in a city in Massachusetts (yes, small in comparison to some) I continually run across that problem. I have a group of 12 to 15 people signed up as 'emergency communicators' but only 4 or 5 of those think there should be training, drills, etc. The rest have the opinion that "I'll be there when I'm needed and I think I'll know what to do".
The one thing the officials want is people who are somewhat trained in communications and message handling. I try to stress to those people that if they show up to help and aren't trained, the local EMA director will use them--for go-fors, go-sees, go-check, bring this to, and other non communication chores. Then I'll get asked why they weren't used to man the radio desk for communication duties. (We may also man the official public service radio systems in the event of an emergency).
My answer always is handing them a ARES message form and telling then to explain how to fill it out and use it. Learning that much and applying it during drills isn't asking that much from them in the way of training, but somehow they never have time or the 'desire' to do the training or participate in the local practice net.
It doesn't take hours and hours to get the training, but those that always have something better to do will never understand why their services as radio operators are never needed.
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by KE4MOB on February 7, 2004
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From the "sad but true" department:
If people can get the CW requirement removed on the grounds of "I should't be forced to learn (or tested on) something I'm not interested in" then we can't force them to learn anything beyond technical compotency.
ARES, RACES, and MARS all require training, adherence to procedure, and practice.
And those are things that are diametrically in opposition to the current testing regime.
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by WANT2B_EMC on February 7, 2004
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>>ARES, RACES, and MARS all require training, adherence to procedure, and practice<<
You forgot to mention that you need to be willing to get in peoples way even when you're not needed, you have to be excessively obese or look like a geek and most of all, you have to act like a know-it-all.
Get a grip on your self-rightious self you stupid wannabe weekend warrior!
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by KM5EW on February 7, 2004
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Many of the concerns noted here create a major problem for us as Amateur Radio operators. I know this, because I am a former EC (twice) for a Central Texas county. Let me highlight some of the points made:
1. Many hams that join ARES or RACES only do so to give the impression that they are actually doing something, even though the reality is that they don't really do anything, they just belong to ARES or RACES in name only.
2. Politics, politics, and more politics. More decent hams get turned off by the politics of emergency communications groups than anything else..."the good old boy" clique controls everything in several ARES/RACES groups. Even though I was an EC previously, the politics was what forced me to leave my position; the same was true when I assumed the EC position a second time.
3. Lack of participation is a serious problem in many areas. The general rule has been that only 10% of the membership actually gets seriously active in ARES/RACES groups. This figure may, of course, vary from area to area; the locations that have active ARES participation are truly fortunate indeed!
4. Lack of education about ARES/RACES and its true intentions is also a real problem. Not enough hams really understand the importance of ARES/RACES to the community, and what even one ham in his community can do to help!
These problems are not unique to ARES and RACES; they also affect other emergency communications groups, NTS, and more. We as hams MUST do more to educate and help those who do not understand what all of these groups are about. Have we done a good job? Absolutely not. Can we do better? Yes, we can. Should we try harder? If we don't, it will become more difficult to hang onto the spectrum we have now.
This was just my two cents worth, speaking from my own experience.
Warren Rowe / KM5EW
Northern Coordinator, Central Texas Storm Spotters / KD5ZDO
Moderator, Central Texas Storm Spotters / Yahoo! Groups
http://www.centexstormspotters.net/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/centexstormspotters/
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by KM5EW on February 7, 2004
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>>ARES, RACES, and MARS all require training, adherence to procedure, and practice<<
You forgot to mention that you need to be willing to get in peoples way even when you're not needed, you have to be excessively obese or look like a geek and most of all, you have to act like a know-it-all.
Get a grip on your self-rightious self you stupid wannabe weekend warrior!
There's a perfect example of the lack of education that some people really need about emergency communications.
Warren Rowe / KM5EW
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by WA4MJF on February 7, 2004
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Always remember and don't forget:
'tis far better to have quality ops than
a large quantity of ops.
It never ceases to amaze me how those with little/
no experience in ARES/RACES seem to be the
experts, like the Want2B post above me,
when they're really just jack asses braying
and ashamed to sign their name to their posts.
I've been doing ARES (earlier AREC) and RACES
work for a bit over 40 years and I know a bit
about it. It is a good service we perform and
here in the NC Section we are appreciated at
both the State and Local level. This appreciation
is most often expressed verbally, but also in
dollars, when equipment needed for sites we
support.
73 de Ronnie
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by KE4MOB on February 7, 2004
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To WANT2B_EMC:
Before you call me stupid, please learn to spell.
It's righteous.
And your claim to fame is....what?
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by K1CJS on February 7, 2004
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want2be_emc:
You are the perfect example of what we DON'T want as a volunteer. Nobody who thinks they are even close to a professional public safety person should be welcome in a properly run and supervised ARES/RACES unit.
As far as our unit is concerned, we provide secondary communications and such other tasks as the emergency management director has us do. No more, no less. We also provide input and service to the Regional ARES section and the National Weather Service when we are asked to do so, and only then.
We activate only when needed, and those who believed they were 'wannabees' and acted as such have been told their services were no longer wanted or needed.
I have the firm belief, just from your post, that you would be one of these.
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by KI4CRA on February 7, 2004
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As a Joe Hamm in a small town (20k) in Fla. I am involved in our local ARES, ACS. We recently had training for message handling and various sundry other topics. Out of approximately 15-20 hams in the ARES, ACS program, we had 9 show up for this training, it was interesting, frustrating, and fun. We actually learned how to send and receive formal, informal,routine, and tacticile messages. In our area we are subject to hurricanes, flooding, and fires, just to name a few. I am located approximately 6 miles from I-95, and yes there have been a few haz-mat accidents in our area(before I became active again).
What we have in the amateur radio service is a privlege, the privlege to serve our fellow man/woman IF and WHEN we can. As a new extra, I have already talked to my daughter (KI4DVP) a new tech studying for her general into joining our local ARES, ACS program.
I agree if a ham is married and has kids (mine are 17, and 16) their minds ARE on their loved ones. But if you have the support and encouragement from your family then when trouble does rear its ugly head then you know you can safely take part in crisis and maybe not worry as much about your family. I do think that more training is needed for all aspect of the EC's, some day some time when you least expect it something is going to happen. If and when that time comes I pray that all you Joe Hamms out there at least have a modicum of knowledge of what it is your doing for the public. I know that if a problem arises here in Vero Beach, Fl. that from the training I received, I know I could with the help with my fellow hams be of assistance to the county.
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by G3SEA on February 7, 2004
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1.In a REAL emergency Joe Ham needs to be sharp in a quick response team.Recent comments in Monitoring Times re MARS teams makes one wonder.
2. Human nature deems that many of these types of organizations elicit an ' exclusive ' nature. However
remember too many cooks spoil the broth.
3. I am certain that in a REAL and prolonged emergency
of any type just about ALL hams would volunteer to assist in any way.
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by AE6IP on February 7, 2004
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It has been my experience that there are two problems with ARES/RACES that seem to be pretty wide spread:
1) The blue-light-and-badge-brigade or the good-old-boy club and the out-sized sense of importance it gives some people.
2) Served agencies no longer want or need people who can merely communicate. They prefer people who have training and skills as disaster relief workers.
The lack of attendance problem pointed out by several ECs here is almost always due to a lack of relevance. Weekly checkin nets are usually time consuming and poorly run, and exercises tend to be aimed at the ECs and above learning how to cooperate, while the Joe Hamms are left with little to do.
I don't believe that the lack of enthusiasm problem can be solved, because, basically, the amateur communications role in emergency preperation is becoming obsolete, as the served agencies improve their own communications.
I'm an ARECC certified instructor, and I've twice dropped out of the local ARES for the above reasons. I find CERT to be more useful and more rewarding than ARES, and will probably get Red Cross certification soon.
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by KB2SSA on February 7, 2004
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Maybe ARES has become outmoded. I am an ARES member and I feel that ARES has been replaced like the vacume tube. How much traffic does ARES really pass during a hurricane? Is this traffic that could have gone through the telephone, internet, etc? Was the traffic passed through ARES simply as a matter of convience. And is that traffic truly of emergency nature for non-hams. ie is that person sending the message a ham or a friend of a ham who sends it to a ham? How many messages really get passed to non hams?
So those are the questions. I feel that the chances of all communications going down in today's world is slim to none. Usually when it does go down, it is in an isolated section of the commmunity and the unaffected will help out the affected. Even if the local telephone switch crashes, the telephone company will now provide each and every customer affected with a cell phone.
So ARES has failed to adapt. We dont fit in anymore. The govt has RACES, they dont want ARES, They also have CAP and MARS, so ARES is out once again.
We are viewed as a bunch of yahoos with radios and nobody wants us at a disaster unless we can slop mash potatoes on a tray.
Thats my 5 cents.
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by WANT2B_EMC on February 8, 2004
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K1CJS wrote: You are the perfect example of what we DON'T want as a volunteer.
You DON'T have to worry about that. I have too much self respect to be seen with a bunch of fat good old boys playing like they're saving the world.
Here is a perfect example of studidity at: http://www.eham.net/articles/7508
>>More than 20 injured bus passengers--both adults and children--were transported to three area hospitals. None of the injuries was considered life-threatening. Duval County ARES dispatched amateur operators to the three hospitals receiving victims.<<
>>None of the injuries was considered life-threatening<<
Dozens of fire rescue personel along with police and probably a news crew were already on the scene with their own radio equipment and cell phones, yes hero, they got their message and got there without your help.
EGO CRASH ALERT!
No power outages, no serious injuries but the orange vest ht mob just had to hang around the hospitals.
TO DO WHAT? Just look stupid? I'm sure they suceeded at that.
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by N0FP on February 8, 2004
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Many of the opinions expressed in this thread so-far are opinions and beliefs I have held for some time. Lots of well meaning folks are involved with ARES. Their energy and willingness to act is an example for all of us.
In my opinion, and the reason I wrote the article, ARES needs to be re-focused. While it is true that there are many a bike-a-thon and walk-a-thon that can use ARES with good results, the real need lies elsewhere.
There was a recent SET in my neighborhood that serves to illustrate my point. The SET involved a medical emergency. Some 17 counties and 22 medical facilities were to be linked in a simulated SARS event. Hundreds of thousands of injured, dead, and dying people. The geographic territory was HUGE. The scenerio assumed that every other area would also be dealing with the same problems, so no cavalry would be appearing over the hill any time soon. In my opinion, this is where the amateur service can shine. It is this scenerio that ARES structure falls short of the mark.
If a town is met with a disaster, the geographic area is what, maybe a few square miles? You need a message delivered? Send a guy on a bicycle with a note. No big deal. But when 22 medical facilities located in an area of 6,000 square miles need to be linked to the Center for Disease Control hundreds of miles away, a bicycle is not an option.
The current structure of ARES is designed for small emergencies. Each county EC is to present the local ARES group as a resource. The trouble is, (thank God) there is little need for such services. In a local emergency, the phones still work. Cars still drive on our highways, cell phones are quite useful, and emergency management can use their own communications for effective point-to-point communications. FEMA shows up in a couple of days and carries the bulk of the load. Meanwhile, law enforcement deals with the situation. Frankly, ARES would be in the way.
When-and-if the (you know what) hits the rotary oscillator, traditional services will be rendered useless. Widespread emergencies are beyond even FEMA's capability. This is when ARES can step in to make good use of the ham community. This is the needed training. And the current ARES structure (centered at the county level) is least likely to be able to cope with the management issues.
Without planning and training at the section level, or perhaps even the division level, these wide spread emergencies will be dealt with in real time, with unpredictable results. Currently, county ECs are expected to train themselves. Few feel any obligation to train, and often have little (if any) experience to train their recruits. Training appears to manifest itself in the form of 2M nets and meetings from time-to-time, often run by teens and techs with a two month old ticket. Wide area SETS are needed to develop networks and training. The current county structure is myopic.
So how do we change the focus?
Ford-N0FP
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by KB2SSA on February 8, 2004
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In my opinion, ARES has lost focus.
We have been too organized down to the local level. We really need to be at the state level. At the smallest maybe divide the state up by region. ie NY, Western, Central, Northern, and Southern, and NYC. Thats where we need to be as ARES members. Your county will never call on you, the local town will never call on you. It is the State that will ultimately need us.
It will be state wide problems that ARES will need to deal with.
ARES should not be dealing with bus accidents, evacuation for chemical spills, etc. These are not things that constitute a communication emergency. We should only be used when communication systems fail across a WIDE AREA, ie affecting multiple communities.
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by WA4MJF on February 8, 2004
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Here is what works for us in NC Section.
Unfortunately we have had to use it too much
in the past few years, everything from having
half the Section under water (NEWS FLASH cell phones
and land line phone don't work very well
when their equipment is under water) to big nearly section
wide ice storm that left parts of Section
without power for nearly a week and Isabell
just this past fall. She tore us a new one.
One county's radio tower bent and twisted on
the ground made the cover of SERA Journal
(so much for all those who say the public
safety can get by with out us)that took out their
Law, Fire and Rescue radios.
So all y'all see we do this on a regular basis.
Our ARES/RACES parallels the NCDEM structure.
The SEC/State Radio Officer=NCDEM Commo Dir,
the ASEC = NCDEM Branch Manager, the DEC =
NCDEM District Manager and the County EC/
County Radio Officer = County Dir of EM.
They liasion with their counter part, they
or a rep attend the meetings together, they
work table top exercises together, etc.
They KNOW one another and each other's strengths and
weaknesses. When some bad happens things
seem move along just FB.
This works FB for us and maybe those areas that
are having trouble might try this model.
73 de Ronnie
OBS/OES District 7
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by WD0BCX on February 8, 2004
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WE ARE NOT WANTED !!!
Thats the way I see it here in the Buchanan county / Saint Joseph, MO area.
15 years ago , BEFORE the big flood of 93 , I was AEC, Buchanan county EC and St.Joseph EC. On a particular day we as a ham group were asked to provide seven or more people for a disaster simulation.
On the morning of the simulation we arrived at 7:00am for the drill which was to start at 9:00. We had nine operators with portable two meter and HF capabilities in their vehicles.
Being in the midwest the disaster was to be a tornado watch and a touchdown in town. The police, fire and ambulance of the city and county was to be involved. The Missouri Highway Patrol was also involved.
We had allready been promised by the city that we were to be given an area in their communications center to set up out radios they would purchase, perminately in case of just this case of a situation. (It should be noted that as this date we are still wating for that area and the radios they promised to buy.)
When we were all assembled the coordinator for the city came over and informed the group who he was and that he was ready for us. When we asked what we were to do he said " Well why don"t you just go around and set at several (un-naimed) locations and pretend like your watching out for tornados." No script had been writen, no traffic to send, nothing.
All our people had spotter training from the National Weather Service for which the Missouri Valley Amateur Radio Club had arranged, no thanks to any public athority.
Two of those hams left the sight and said that they were done with ARIES and the storm watch program. Shortly after the program just disapeared.
In 1993 when the BIG FLOOD happened About 20 hams helped with water sight communications. No meetings, no drills or hastle. The job simply got done. We were on the air in 10 minutes with a coax and a coathanger after arrovomg at city hall, the us military took two days to get their antenna on city hall an working.
Over the next week with the city's water plant flooded, the military furnished water to the city and the hams kept it coordinated.
I personally arranged for and delivered 30 maels, though it be balogna and cheese sandwiches, to a group of military from Fort Riley Kansas. They were some 22 miles from town at a conservation area lake. I found out leter that the guy I just walked up to and asked for the food was a two star general in a kackey tee shirt.
Someone is trying to revise the ARIES group here but their is reluctance to join.
It seems to me that government gives a lot of lip service to working with ham radio but it is just that, LIP SERVICE!
Thats my two cents worth.
WD0BCX
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by N1VLQ on February 8, 2004
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I'm a member of our ARES group in a small county in Maine. I think we're doing somethings right, and I'd like to share the with you. Mind you, we still have a long way to go, and a lot to do, but it seems like we're moving in the right direction.
First and foremost, we have to agree, as a group, that we are here to help, if and when we are needed. When you have that in place, you begin to have perspective. Our place, Amateur Radio/ARES etc, is to help when other modes of communication fail. When you understand that, and you can present that to local agencies, you will begin to be able to have a dialogue.
The public service agencies in your particular area most certainly aren't interested in having someone come into a situation and take over their communications. They have very good systems in place, that they use each and every day, in a manner that they are familiar with. Add to the fact that we, as a group, often times don't look very professional, and you can see where that reluctance can appear. Amateurs (and ARES members) have to be able to get past that. We need top assure them that we want to be able to establish communications, if, and only if, it is needed. Not in place of what ordinarily works. And until then, we'll stay out of the way.
Our place is to be there, if the regular means of communication fails. That is the whole mission. We need to stress that. If we are invited to particpate in drills, we need top show that we can establish communication between points. Then step back, and get out of the way. Everything else is interfering with the served agencies. That is how they will view it, especially in the initial phases. If we can make this simple action work, we now can move forward.
One area that we can show our usefulness is establishing communications between emergency shelters, and Red Cross chapters. Those places will not have any sort of backup communications other than telephone, and will be very short staffed (like us) with volunteers. By showing that we can cover those ares as part of our plan, we show the served agencies some pratical value, and by that, begin to gain trust, and demonstrate our usefullness and ablility.
Our group is very fortunate that the county EMA director can see what we can do, if we are needed. He is helping us obtain training, such that we might be better prepared to react to things that might happen to us, Joe Citizen first, Joe Ham second.
One thing that I find to be a problem with the ARES program is the focus on traffic handling. The phrase "traffic handling" turns off many hams, with visions of operators sitting at a table, filling out the NTS traffic forms and replying in kind. While it is certainly good that hams are familiar with the system, in an emergency we won't be using those forms. We will be scribbling stuff down on notepads as necessary, and making sure that the information necessary get where it needs to be. NTS style "traffic" will probably only be used after the initial crunch happens, in a long, drawn out recovery effort. (Which is also something that homebound hams, or those who aren't willing to go into the field, can do to help.) So we sometimes lose prospective volunteers that get put off by the phrase "traffic handling". We just need to redifine it, to mean message handling, or such. Or communications. Period.
Another suggestion that I have is to try and better manage the alphabet soup, ARES, RACES, EMA, CERT, etc.
Our group is all of these. We established a CERT team within our ARES group, and serve as Emergency Communications for our county. This can be any number of things, IF NEEDED, but in an organized fashion. Establishing the CERT team gave our group much needed credibility, as it is a nationally recognized program. Every EMA director is aware of CERT. Every EMA director is short on manpower, and can use volunteers, if they are prepared to help, and not get in the way. The CERT program helps in that effort. (Plus, it gets you funding!!! To get more equipment to be better prepared to help, IF needed.)
The trick then is to represent your group without the confusion of all of those letters. We are an ARES group, and represent ourselves that way first. But we have the CERT and RACES letters to keep track of. Make it less confusing for the served agencies.
Finally, try and be positive, folks. I was at a meeting recently where many of the gripes that we see on these pages got aired, even though they weren't part of the discussion at hand. Now, I will say that argument and discussion are good, but make sure the time and place are appropriate. Moaning about the new license restructuring proposal during an ARES meeting just isn't helpful. And shows a bad side to any outside guests, like EMA officials, or folks from served agencies (police, fire, etc). Act professionally, or be guilty of our sterotype.
I started getting involved with ARES (and ham radio in the first place) because I wanted to be able to help if I was needed. I hope that I never am needed. So I don't get all worked up about the turf wars that many of you folks have experienced. You don't need to be extremely regimented, but constantly keeping prepared, be it (occasional) drills, training, checking your equipment. Nothing crazy, not a tremendous amount of time spent (lest you lose volunteers) just a small amount of time consistently. We, as a group, try to be organized, and trained, to be able to provide communications if the regular modes fail. We're getting there. You can, too.
73
Bruce, N1VLQ
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by K8XD on February 8, 2004
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Doug/WANT2B_EMC
You make several very valid points in your arguement. Personal agendas, internal politics, and cliques abound through out the amateur service. I've seen numerous instances statewide where amateurs have hindered and/or gotten in the way of paid professionals who didn't need nor want their assistance.. I still see no logic in sending untrained or partially trained individuals into harms way such as storm spotters (particularly at night). It is one thing to report conditions from a location of safety, but to drive to remote location, sit among trees in the dark looking for a funnel is nutz! That goes right along with reporting snow conditions. Get in your car and drive around when the snow plow crews have pulled off the roads due to conditions. Can't see where your going, drive off the road, and then have to have emergency vehicle pull their butts out before they are overcome by exhaust fumes or freeze..
Fine examples of emergency prepairednes.
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by KC0NYK on February 8, 2004
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While I agree with much of what N0FP has to say in his article, I have to agree also with kd5sfk's comment.
I belong to an ARES group [am in fact an AEC] and also serve with SKYWARN as well. I have great respect for the guys on our teams due to the amount of time they put into the effort. I have little or no respect for the local civil authority we are to serve due to the total lack of and willingness to learn about the things we the ham community are willing and able to provide. This of course is a generality as there are one or two in the governmental chain who are, in passing, interested. I get the old 'we know what we are doing' spiel while they charge up thier cell phones and rely on a single county government repeater. When asked what they would do if something happens to their repeater [tornado, fire, just fails, etc] they simply shrug and say we got by without it before and will do ok again if we need to...we can alway use the telephone!
As for having to show competence to keep our license; I have to register an unqualified NO as getting into decent upgrade classes is next to impossible; even the vaunted ARRL classes, for which they get some pretty impressive federal grants, are overpriced and usually full.
As for taking the control of the teams from county level groups and putting them into a statewide system; again NO. We have enough problems getting support from the Section Managers and District Managers now, think of what another level of bureacracy would do!
Again, in our area we have a group which strives to improve things everyday. We work and play hard and do as much as possible with the resources available to go forward. Folks need to remember that all of us are not super wealthy, but all of us will, when the need arises generally rise to the need.
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by WANT2B_EMC on February 8, 2004
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John, K8XD gets it. One of the few. Most of these folks seem like they want to make emergency workers tasks more difficult and dangerous by adding to their burdens. It's bad enough like you said, worrying and looking after individuals who might have gotten into harms way from circumstances beyond their control. But then you got some nut case ego maniac who goes out of his way to go look for funnel clouds instead of doing what most intelligent people do, make sure they themselves and their family and maybe even their neighbors are safe and have adequate shelter. Not go out of their way to become another potential victim.
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by K1CJS on February 8, 2004
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want 2 be--
You may think what you say is the norm for all ARES units, but happily, that is not so. Just as in everything else, the few bad apples that are found tend to spoil the whole barrel--and it is the bad apples that are pointed at, not the other apples that are fresh and untainted.
There are ARES units where the emphasis is on aid to the officials and populace when and only when it is wanted AND REQUESTED and not on putting the ARES volunteers in harms way in any way.
You think that every volunteer is a fat geeky slob that sticks their nose where it isn't supposed to be, and that is not the case at all. You have painted all volunteers with the same brush, however, and that does not speak well about you.
Anyone who shows up in this city with a flashing light and orange vest in informed in no uncertain terms that THEIR ASSISTANCE IS NOT NEEDED. Also, every member of the ARES team in this city is also a volunteer for the Emergency Management Agency and as such is ready to do what is needed--not only communications, but manning shelters, running messages between different operating positions in the EOC, serving food, passing out blankets, and so on.
In case of a non-EMA callup, the volunteers here have been instructed to stay at their homes and report in, not roam around the countryside looking for trouble.
Don't be so eager to slander those people who are giving their time and effort to try to assist the authorities WHERE THE ASSISTANCE IS ASKED FOR AND GRATEFULLY ACCEPTED BY THOSE SAME AUTHORITIES.
You, sir, have had a limited exposure to what goes on in MANY regions--it sounds like you only saw bad examples of the 'volunteers' in one area.
Research and find out about the broad picture before you go and make generalized statements about what does go on elsewhere, lest you be known as a big mouth know it all that knows almost nothing.
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by KM5EW on February 8, 2004
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To K8XD & WANT2B_EMC and all...
It's true that there are those, especially in storm spotting, that the ones with little actual training can and do get themselves in trouble. BUT, the people that get better and more comprehensive training are the ones that know when to stay out of the way and give proper reports. These are the people that emergency management count more, and proven experience over time helps even more.
In Tornado Alley, trust and experience are of utmost importance as far as severe storm spotting is concerned. Severe weather occurs often in the Southern Plains, and you HAVE TO HAVE well-trained spotters. Let's be honest: this is not as important a requirement in the Upper Midwest for the most part. Winter weather is more of an issue there. And yes, it may be true that there are those that will get out in a snowstorm when the snowplows pull off the roads. This is simply poor training and idiacy. But these people are in the minority, whether you choose to believe it or not.
Those that choose to do stupid things as mentioned previously do create problems for emergency management officials, and even ARES / RACES personnel. What each ARES group has to do is take advantage of every opportunity that comes up to sell itself, and then PROVE THAT THE GROUP IS WORTH WORKING WITH. Many ARES groups do just that; it's emergency management that needs to realize and hopefully embrace what ARES, RACES, and other similar groups can do. it comes down to simply showing, and then proving, what our groups can do.
In a nutshell, that is how it really is...coming from a former EC that understands both sides of the matter.
Warren Rowe / KM5EW
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by KM5EW on February 8, 2004
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K1CJS really summed it up well about ARES and about WANT2B_EMC; I couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo!
All groups of people should not be judged by a few bad apples, no matter how rotten to the core they may be. WANT2BE_EMC tried to do just that, and as a result moved himself further into the mile-deep cave he was already in. No matter; I'm sure there are others that do not have a clue or just don't care to try to understand.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to do what we desire to do freely: help our fellow neighbors.
Warren / KM5EW
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by N0FP on February 8, 2004
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I want to thank many of you who have posted to this thread. Your comments help me, and others, understand the situation around the country much better.
It seems to me, in areas where disasters are common (hurricane alley, tornado alley, forest fire prone areas, etc.), ARES can organize in a meaningful manner using the county level as a good starting point. With that being said, there are HUGE areas of the country that have no coverage by ARES whatsoever.
In my earlier example of the SARS event involving 17 counties and 22 medical facilities, there were only hams to cover the well populated areas. Much of the area to be covered had no active unit, no local EC, and nobody assigned to cover those areas. Nobody! Hams got a HUGE black eye when it was reported to the local paper that the "hams failed to volunteer to help." It is a very long and complicated story, but the bottom line is that the fact was true.
Several have responded that the local level makes sense and state level management makes no sense. I must strongly disagree. Those areas that are well supplied with volunteers a and local management, the system works. But the huge areas that are not covered by anybody still need coverage. There should be responsible parties in ARES that are assigned to cover 100% of the territory of a section. As people and equipment and agencies in need of service appear, then local units can be formed.
The crux of the point I'm trying to illustrate throughout this thread is that Hams shine in situations where long-range point-to-point communications are needed. We have access and equipment for HF. 80M and 40M are awesome in the event of a wide area disaster. Communicating several hundred miles is a snap on HF. And police, fire, EM do not have ready access to "our" bands. Military uses similar frequencies as ours but few, if any, local agencies have access to HF. In the event of a wide area disaster, the military would be called up. But hams would likely be pressed into service in the interim waiting for the cavalry to appear on the scene.
The current ARES mind set is 2M communications. While excellent for dealing with local issues, 2M is a poor choice for 300 mile communications, which is likely the scenerio where hams will be called up en-mass. Then we should train for that event. And organize our ARES groups for just such an event. This requires State level or even division level administration.
Ford-N0FP
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by WANT2B_EMC on February 8, 2004
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K1CJS, >>You, sir, have had a limited exposure to what goes on in MANY regions<<
And you sir are doing the exact thing that you accuse me of, speculating. While I've only been a licensed amateur for 6 years, I spent 24 years in the U.S.A.F. and lived in many areas of the U.S. as well as abroad. I have been through tornadoes, hurricanes and even earthquakes. 20 to 30 years ago amateurs where very needed and appreciated and I have even worked along side them a time or two when I was in the Air Guard, my first 4 years of service, prior to going into the Air Force full time for the next 20. In case some of you guys haven't been following the new technology and if you didn't see the war coverage on television, they have satellite phones where a guy in the middle of the desert can show live images without a knapsack full of antennas and batteries. Oh yeah, and he doesn't have to pass a stupid morse code test to do it either. I'm sure or I should say I hope city, county and federal emergency agencies will soon figure out what's needed for serious times of emergency, just like the news press organizations have already figured it out and are way ahead as far as having the newest and most useful communications technology instead of depending on the good ole' boys for emergency communications just for novelty and nostalgic reasons.
Was there any imbedded hams reporting live to the American public at the beginning of the Iraq war on nationwide television or radio? Buzz! The answer is no! But yet coverage was 24/7 and we saw live images from satellite telephones.
Ouch! Egos getting crushed again! Call for an activation!
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by K8XD on February 8, 2004
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Gentlemen:
I can not disagree with you either.. My statements were not meant to slander or defame any ARES or RACES member. My statements were to show examples of not thinking things out BEFORE acting and organizations and activations I have participated in.. I have much respect for amateurs in the Skywarn program, especially those in tornado alley and those who have served unselfishly . These gentlemen are the eyes of of NWS. They have expertise and training to NOT take chances, to take care of themselves, each other and the public.. They pass information which is relavent to the situation at that moment and keep their wits about them. That is the sign of a professional whether it be in communication or other support as requested. We all have witnessed individuals flying off on their own accord and doing their own thing.. Jeopardizing the standing of the group, interfering with the operation at hand, or even putting themselves or others in harm way. Seldom is it intentional and it can in most cases be resolved through training sessions and practice. Bottom line is keeping things in perspective, balance, and think before acting. Thank you for your time
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by WA4MJF on February 8, 2004
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Well, we are in a bind here in NC for Military
Support. A coupla months ago USMCAS New River
announced that they were stopping Pedro flights.
All y'all might have seen them during coverage
of Hurricane Floyd floods (CH-46 with orange nose)
lifting persons outta flooded homes and vehicles.
They also ferried hams to locations where commo
was needed. They are an assest that is gonna be missed, but they can't afford them any more.
The 30th Inf Bde (SEP) (HEAVY) is back from Fort Polk
and awaiting move to Theater. Twelve months
boots on the ground and then three more months
de mobe.
It will be a long time here in NC before we can
count on the military coming to the rescue. Oh,
and the Jarheads are sending a MEU from Camp LeJunne
that will be in Theater for 12 months. They're
gonna show the Army how to do it right, they say!
This in addition to their BLTs in the Atlantic
and Med.
In the last ice storm, fortunately not as bad as the
2002 storm, the National Guard was able to get
50 mostly STARC activated for State Duty.
So our SEC says the ARESMAT teams will have to deloy
into disaster areas self sufficient, as we can no longer count on the Guard for food, POL, water, etc.
Hopefully, the hurricanes and himicanes will pass
us by this season.
73 de Ronnie
OBS/OES District 7
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want2be--
From your last post:
>>>K1CJS, >>You, sir, have had a limited exposure to what goes on in MANY regions<<
And you sir are doing the exact thing that you accuse me of, speculating. While I've only been a licensed amateur for 6 years,.....<<<
I repeat, you are painting the entire ARES organization with the same brush. I have admitted there are bad apples, but have also stated they are the ones who get noticed. You again started with your slurs (good ol'boy) without considering the facts--not speculation--FACTS.
While there are some people who are undoubtedly like you describe, there are also the other kind, people who serve as they are requested to do ONLY WHEN they are requested to do. Most of these people don't want recognition, they are happy with "amateur radio" per se getting the recognition.
I also will state you are like many others on this site--you spew your opinions, right or wrong--mostly wrong, and hide behind a CB callsign. No full name, (only 'Doug') no e-mail address to give some substance to your statements.
You most likely aren't even a ham. You are a know-it-all who doesn't even know enough to pass a simple exam to get a ham license. You know nothing.
Chris J. Smith, K1CJS, EC, Fall River, Massachusetts
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>>I also will state you are like many others on this site--you spew your opinions, right or wrong--mostly wrong, and hide behind a CB callsign. No full name, (only 'Doug') no e-mail address to give some substance to your statements.
You most likely aren't even a ham. You are a know-it-all who doesn't even know enough to pass a simple exam to get a ham license. You know nothing<<
Oh, Oh! You got me Chris. The old "you won't post your callsign or email" arguement, gee how original. Why should I? Just so you and your dork buddies can send nasty emails? I don't need nor care to discuss these issues outside of this forum. By the way, at least I can afford cable dsl instead of $9 a month Netzero. Now be a good boy and run along.
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by KT0DD on February 8, 2004
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To Want2be_EMC:
I agree that the gimme a badge and some authority ego freaks can be a problem. However, your attitude is just being an ego freak on the opposite side of this topic, and serves nothing towards finding a solution.
Someone else on here posted that Govt. EM services want more than just communicators today, they want highly trained disaster relief workers. This is very true where I live in Casper WY. Our E.M. coordinator has had problems in the past with egomaniac hams and has all but written us off. He now has a CERT team. I have tried to get the club members to join CERT and get some training, but the prevailing attitude is " our task is just to be communicators, nothing else."
It's these kinds of attitudes that promote our obsolescence. It takes the individual willingness of a person to get involved at the level necessary to be able to meet modern requirments, and to contribute. Otherwise, you can continue to meet in your old CD bunker and watch the CD logo fade as the cobwebs grow on your equipment.
73, KT0DD
M. Todd Miskel
V.P. Casper WY. ARC
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by K1CJS on February 8, 2004
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>>>Oh, Oh! You got me Chris. The old "you won't post your callsign or email" arguement, gee how original. Why should I? Just so you and your dork buddies can send nasty emails? I don't need nor care to discuss these issues outside of this forum. By the way, at least I can afford cable dsl instead of $9 a month Netzero. Now be a good boy and run along.<<<
I couldn't be bothered sending out such e-mail. I post here, on this site. BTW, you've got another thing wrong, Mr. Know-it-all. I don't even pay for Netzero. I use it as a free e-mail account, but my cable modem allows me great net access just like your DSL. Talk about assumptions.
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by N0FP on February 8, 2004
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen...
Can we get back on task? There is enough mud on this thread.
The tasks? Refocusing ARES and training...
The EC1 course that opened the first of this month, which filled almost as soon as it opened, has apparently 175 seats. There are 600,000+ hams in this country. About 1% are ARES.
If the course holds 175 seats and opens 4 times per year, it will take exactly 8 1/2 years to train the current recruits. If the goal is to provide all hams with some training, figure 857 years!
So state-wide management should and must fill the role of trainer. In my section, management was SHOCKED to hear that they were expected to train. "That's the job of the ARRL with the EC1 course."
There are problems ramping up the course due to a need for mentors. But that just serves to illustrate my point about state-wide management. There should be opportunities to train people outside of the EC1 course. The EC1 is essentially free due to the nature of the grant received by the ARRL. You pay the $45 and get it back when you complete the course. But what about the other 599,825 hams that still need training?
Anybody else feel that the EC1 course is too little too late? Should the general population of hams be encouraged and expected to receive some simple training?
Ford-N0FP
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by K1CJS on February 8, 2004
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N0FP:
Yep, you're right! Lets get back on track. The ARRL course is too little, but not necessarily too late. The course should be enlarged, but the problem is where to get the necessary infrastructure to get it enlarged. As I understand it, the ARRL wanted to explore the possibility of those taking the original course being certified to teach it. I haven't heard of anything like that actually becoming reality, however. Maybe someone could elaborate on this--did I misunderstand the news releases from the ARRL on that point?
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by N1VLQ on February 8, 2004
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There is a method for teaching the ARRL course locally. I can't explain it to you, as I'm not directly involved in it, but an ARES group near here is doing it. Likewise, there is a way to take it without doing it online. Another fellow in my area has done just that, and has already passed Level 3. He is now his counties EC.
As I said before, I don't know the specifics, but the folks at ARRL have always answered my emails promptly (contrary to what others have stated in other threads) and I'm sure they can tell you how to go about it.
FEMA has a bunch of on-line course available.
www.fema.org
I took my Basic Incident Command course through them, online, and had the certificate within a few weeks. They have a bunch of other courses that I plan on taking advantage of soon.
Additionally, your local EMA office offers training to local police, fire and EMT workers, and I'd be shocked if they wouldn't allow area ARES group members to attend, if they so choose. We are able to do so here, locally. It doesn't make any sense for them to withhold such training to those who wish it, excepting for space and/or materials reasons. The Red Cross offers classes as well. So check it out, and take advantage of what's out there.
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by AE6IP on February 8, 2004
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> So ARES has failed to adapt. We dont fit in anymore.
I agree.
> The govt has RACES, they dont want ARES, They also
> have CAP and MARS, so ARES is out once again.
actually RACES predates ARES, and the government is in the process of winding RACES down.
The failure of ARES/RACES to adapt isn't one of having competition for the same role; it's that the ARES role just isn't there any more.
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by K1CJS on February 8, 2004
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Thanks Bruce! I'll look into the things you mentioned, I wasn't aware of a couple of them.
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by AE6IP on February 8, 2004
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> The current structure of ARES is designed for small
> emergencies.
Actually, the *structure* of ARES is aimed at disasters large enough that mutual assistance is not available.
> Each county EC is to present the local ARES group
> as a resource. The trouble is, (thank God) there is
> little need for such services.
This varies widely depending on the area. In some areas, such as Santa Clara County in California, the ARES/RACES structure is parallel to the California incident command system and organized along the lines of the California OES plan.
> FEMA shows up in a couple of days and carries the
> bulk of the load. Meanwhile, law enforcement deals
> with the situation. Frankly, ARES would be in the
> way.
If it's a local emergency, FEMA isn't going to show up. If it's a big enough emergency for FEMA to show up, then it probably fits the "no mutual assistance" model.
ARES/RACES role at that time is supposed to be to do the secondary backup communications that will allow the professional people to concentrate on real emergency communications.
The problem is that the blue-light-and-badge-brigade -- which is widespread among ARES -- wants a bigger role than they're trained to handle; and you end up with a mismatch of expectations. That's a problem served agencies do not need on top of an emergency.
> When-and-if the (you know what) hits the rotary
> oscillator, traditional services will be rendered
> useless.
One of the *serious* problems with ARES is that many ARES members have a model of served agency communication that dates to the 60s. Problem is, served agency communication has outpaced ARES capabilities.
> Widespread emergencies are beyond even FEMA's
> capability.
There's a hierarchy of expectation for size of emergency. FEMA's job is pretty small, even in large emergencies. It coordinates federal agencies.
> This is when ARES can step in to make good use of
> the ham community. This is the needed training. And
> the current ARES structure (centered at the county
> level) is least likely to be able to cope with the
> management issues.
Actually, it's the worst time for ARES to step in. Widespread emergencies activate very sophisticated communications plans that involve mobile communications centers, federal agencies that ARES has likely not worked with in the past, and the military (at least the national guard.)
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by K1CJS on February 8, 2004
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AE6IP,
In some areas, yes, but it's where you're located, also. Massachusetts combined the two, (ARES and RACES) and as RACES is gradually phased out, the ARES infrastructure absorbs whatever it needs to so the services are available as needed. For example, I am both the city EC and the RACES radio officer, as well as a volunteer EMA member and the EMA Radio Officer.
There is some redundancy in the whole setup, but it works--for us. As I stated earlier, we stay at our homes unless asked specifically to report to an assigned location. And as it should be, our volunteers are told to take care of their personal responcibilities first, not after.
The ARES role is there, but limited to what the local EMA director wants it to be.
73! Chris
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by AE6IP on February 8, 2004
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> All groups of people should not be judged by a few
> bad apples, no matter how rotten to the core they
> may be.
The problem with ARES is that the bad apples are widespread and the problems go as high ARRL headquarters.
The ARRL does ARES no good when it writes crowing news releases about how a few ARES volunteers 'saved' an emergency situation in which thousands of professionals were involved, and some died.
It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth of the pros.
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by N0FP on February 8, 2004
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AE6IP wrote:
Actually, it's the worst time for ARES to step in. Widespread emergencies activate very sophisticated communications plans that involve mobile communications centers, federal agencies that ARES has likely not worked with in the past, and the military (at least the national guard.)
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I agree. But what I was indicating is that hams, being much more flexible and agile can step in immediately. These comm centers can take several days to prepare, transport, and set-up. That first 72 hours is very critical and hams can and do help work through this aspect until the cavalry arrives.
Ford-N0FP
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by AE6IP on February 8, 2004
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About teaching the ARECC courses:
1) Anyone who is an ARRL member can become an ARRL certified mentor by taking a brief class.
2) Anyone who is an ARRL mentor can become a certified instructor for any ARRL class by taking and passing the class.
3) ARRL courses can be taught in one of three ways:
a) online -- as many people as there are mentors
to teach can take an online course
b) classroom -- students meet with an instructor
c) hybrid -- students take course online but
have a local mentor/instructor
There are 3 EMC courses, ARECC I, II, and III. ARECC is Amateur Radio Emergency Communication Course.
One of the problems with ARES is that some ARES local organizations have *no* training at all, from the SEC on down. This is harming several ARES groups severly.
But at this time, there is no requirement for AEC, EC, or SEC positions to have been previously trained in the courses.
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by OLDTIMER80 on February 8, 2004
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KT0DD is mostly correct, as usual. Todd if you would just keep trying!! I know it is very hard to get people interested these days in any pursuit outside of thier own self-interest but it must be tried. Kudos to you for your effort. Maybe with someone like you in the CARC the grand old W7VNJ call will again show up in the contests.
Now if we can just talk you away from your cw argument... 73 R.W.
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by N3SSL on February 8, 2004
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Hello to all those comments on this post. I agree on the training/education side of the topic. But the sad fact is not many know of the importance of Ares/Races till it effects them in one form or another. getting to my point is Being in Emergency Services there are lots of clicks that bring folks in and some that drive others out. The big question and the most imporant one I see and hear on the airwaves is why shold i train and help. ( I have never got a answer to this and as technology goes on this will be asked in many forms.) I agree with all postings but how many hams do you hear on the air that remember what they studied to get there license. Should we pay a vist to every ham i dunno the answer. but the bottom line is that every emergency services personel goes through some type of training. Has anyone Heard of the C.E.R.T program ? Just Thinking what can be done to improve our communties. www.citizencorps.gov/programs/cert.shtm
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by KC8VWM on February 9, 2004
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>>>Yes, providing that him/her sees the process as fulfilling one of their needs. <<<<
The trouble I have experienced is that there is a lot of "political" barriers and therefore it loses it's sense of fulfillment.
My station is more than well equipped to handle communications in a disaster. In fact I am probably better equipped than most stations in my area.
The issue is really the internal "politics" within these groups and it is for that reason I remain "outside" the loop.
I have contacted them on several occasions and since I never joined their particular organization before, I get the "canned text" answer that they don't need any more people.
They must be automatically thinking that I am new and have no experience in this area.
Fine with me... I have a first class FEMA grade equipped station... Too bad they don't know that "unknown" fact because they are too busy making prejudgments about the "new" guy.
I remember calling someone about MARS membership once and was given the "I am busy with a client now." answer and I truly felt like I was "bothering" him with my inquiry. It wasn't like he asked "Can I take your number and call later or anything - It was a flat out "you are bothering me - go away answer."
Guess what, I never called him back ever again. Give me a reason why I should? After all, it was ME that offered MY services - they should at least ACT grateful or something...
73
KC8VWM
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by KE4SKY on February 9, 2004
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For ARES to be effective in emergencies, the local organization must have existing plans and coordinate its organization response through a standing relationship with the civil defense, public safety or other served agency organization. Most instances where ARES lacks organization are caused by an inactive SEC, DECs or local ECs. If the SEC sets high standards and ensures that they are met down through the state organization, insisting on local plans, District mutual aid coordination and statewide policy guidance, things happen. If the expectation is not established at the top, it is more difficult for local ECs to make it happen. Club and organization politics and personality cults are your biggest enemies. Most of the problems I've seen with this in Virginia have been caused by middle managers in the state organization trying to follow an agenda of their own, instead of meeting the needs of their served agency "customers."
The best advice I could give any aspiring EC or DEC, as a mid-level local government official, who has to coordinate private resources deployed in operational support, is to take time to learn how your city or county emergency management system works and get involved in your local emergency planning committee, hospital auxiliary, EMS council, community emergency response teams, neighborhood watch, volunteer fire department, etc.
Emergency managers and served agencies respond to incidents in accordance with approved plans which are required by state statute, reviewed and approved by the state OEM. Emergency mananagers view "amateur radio" as a RESOURCE, not as an "organization." If amateur radio is not integrated as a communication resource in the Emergency Operations Plan, it probably not be utlilized, and no EM is going to employ it in a knee-jerk after the fact.
There must be an adequate administrative and supervisory infrastructure in place to ensure that ARES members aware of the expectations for readiness, alerting, equipment needs, operating skills and training participation.
An inactive member is a liability to the organization.
Team members must adequately trained and equipped. They should already know their assignments for the most like hazards for your area, whether it be a weather event, phone outage at the local hospital, etc. Plans and procedures must be in effect and tested to ensure personnel accountability and safety.
In well organized ARES organizations where section leadership sets the expectation and exercises supervision down to the district and state level to ensure standard are met, resources can be identified and plans coordinated to enable an effective mutual aid response into areas where there is insufficient depth of local resources. If the operational, planning, logistic and administrative structure exists in accordance with a plan which has been coordinated with public safety, then it all works.
The Colorado section has one of the most effective ARES organizations in the country. Look at the material that W0IPL has on his web site. This is how ARES is supposed to work. You are welcome to bring this topic to the Eham Emergency Communications forum to stimulate some welcome discussion there. 73
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by KE4SKY on February 9, 2004
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Joe hams who self-activate, show up with a callsign hat, HT and an attitude who are undiscipled, untrained, don't understand how the ICS works, are unskilled in proper voice communication skills, don't know how to send traffic and are ill prepared to work for a 12-hour shift aren't welcomed by Emergency Managers. They won't be allowed anywhere near an ICP or an EOC and for good reason.
Minimum training, equipment and participation should be mandatory for hams working EmCom. I support at least minimum level skills testing as a requirement for renewing a licence, now that they've canned the code.
Contesting, DX and ragchew isn't the reason we are allowed to use the spectrum. Get with the program or we will all lose it to commercial interests with big bucks. Take a course, send some traffic. You don't want to train, then you don't do EmCom. Easy answer.
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by KF6JZC on February 9, 2004
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1. Is Joe Hamm willing to stand up and provide equipment and man power in the event of a wide-spread emergency? Those that are serious about volunteering their services are willing. Some agencies have equipment for their ARES members to use, others must use their own. It should not matter, however. If you are willing to volunteer your services, you should also be willing to volunteer your equipment.
2. Does Joe Hamm have any rudimentary training in providing communications? Yes, again if they are serious about it. You are not going to be very usefull in an emergency if you don't know what to do or how to do it.
3. Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures? Yes, again if they are serious about it.
You can't have a communicator doing his/her own thing, that would cause confusion.
4. Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time? Yes, the problem is that there seems to be no program in place to do that on a regular basis. In our ARES group, the only practice we get is with our weekly net (including two other cities). Occasionally during the year there are "practice" emergencies that we have done with the city. These are few and far between. One problem is that the city likes to do them during the week when most volunteers are working and they don't have to pay overtime to the city workers. The volunteers would rather do it on the weekend... well you see the problem.
5. Who should train Joe? Training should be accomplished my several means, from group practice to taking the ARRL EC1 course. Practice also must include the agency to which the ARES group is connect. I have taken the EC1 course. It is not difficult, in fact, it is easier than any ham test because you can take the exam online and it is open book. No one has any excuse for not passing the exam.
6. Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?
In my opinion, yes. This is a lot more important than testing for skills in any mode of operation. When it comes to volunteering their services in emergency communciations it becomes more important because you are showing others that you can be counted on to get the job done.
7. What form of organization would Joe look to for guidance? I don't know that there is one organization, but the ARRL probably comes the closest as one to look toward.
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by W4CNG on February 10, 2004
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In Georgia here is how we have taken to task these questions and some of our answers to them. In the last 5 years we have worked to rid ourselves of the "Good Ole Boy Syndrome", and have had great success. Our state Response Plan is published on our web site for all to use and adapt for local needs. We have a State ARES-MAT that stands ready to serve in our underserved counties. Now on to the questions.
Is Joe Hamm willing to stand up and provide equipment and man power in the event of a wide-spread emergency?
If you are going to volunteer yourself, equipment that is great. We will not turn down volunteer help, read qualifications ahead.
Does Joe Hamm have any rudimentary training in providing communications?
Yes, we will provide it for him if he is unable to get it locally or on line (ARECC)
Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures?
Yes, if he does not, we will point him to more than one solution for training, ARECC or local. Not trained, get trained.
Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time? Yes, he is expected to check into training nets and drills, both locally and regionally. Inactive Joe's are being dropped from our roles in Georgia weekly.
Who should train Joe? Joe must have an attitude that training is part of the overall program to make him a better operator. Joe is encouraged to become a member of the ARRL (has to be a member to be in a leadership role in Georgia). If he cannot get training on the net, we have courses available regionally in Georgia that can be given. Most of our folks have taken ECC-01. At our most recent state meeting last month, more than 95% of the 131 attendees, had taken the ECC-01 course. That says it is not that hard to get access to.
Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?
If he cannot communicate to pass required formal or informal traffic by one or more means, he is useless to ARES.
What form of organization would Joe look to for guidance?
Local ARES, and National ARRL. Don't like the National Organization, fight to change it, I Do.
Steve Reynolds W4CNG
ARES DEC Metro Atlanta ARES-MAT Leader
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by W2MC on February 10, 2004
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My thoughts?
For my area of the world - in a "true" emergency, I cannot forsee much use for folks who call themselves "communicators" only.
Let me qualify that statement.
I have been active with my local fire dept for many more years than I have had a ham ticket.
We already have primary and backup communications systems. And even backups for the backup systems.
In my station alone, we have a 100 watt (Currently VHF) transceiver, and a bunch of HT's. Each one of the trucks is equipped with at least one, usually two, and a few with three different and distinct mobile transcievers, and 1-3 HT's.
County emergency transmitters are also backed-up by an emergency telephone system that connects all of the emergency services together. The hospitals are also similarly equipped.
For electric power, we have a 40 KVA diesel with 275 gallons of reserve built into the building...and several more generators on each of the fire engines. And if that's not enough, there's an additional 5000 gallons of gas and diesel on the other side of town. And that's not counting all of the gas stations in town. Or the 'other' fire dept on the other side of town.
We have, if I am counting correctly, 7 VHF fire freq's, 4 EMS freq's, one fire police freq, and 3 PD freq's, on either VHF or UHF. Some are shared, and some are not, but we 'practice' shared freq's every time we go out.
We are fully capable, between ourselves and the PD, of either county-level or township-level dispatch.
"Hams", be they untrained radio ops or ARRL trained folks, have very little place in this scenario.
We can't use them at dispatch because we need operators familiar with the proceedures, our equipment (like what fire truck can do what, not how to operate a motorola or a RELM radio), and its capabilities. We can't put them in the engines because all of the communications are located at the drivers or officer's position. Most engines have 5 seats total, and we need trained firefighters or fire police in those seats.
Get the drift?
What we CAN use are volunteers that are willing to become trained firefighters and trained fire police. Radio experience is a plus. We'll provide training.
Don't like fire? There's also the local ambulance service.
Either way, while you won't be able to discuss the advantages of a FT-1000 MK V versus a IC-756 PROII with most of 'em, they're still a great bunch of folks.
My $0.02, and I am speaking for myself alone.
Jon
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by HAMDUDE on February 10, 2004
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Best way to improve ARES is to keep the HT toting idiots out of the way of the professionals and let them do their job! The last thing a fire dept. needs is some idiot getting in the way while the men are trying to battle a blaze. The only use these people serve is for emergency communications when all else fails. As long as there are real emergency personnel available, who needs some HT toting geek trying to act like super cop?
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by N0FP on February 10, 2004
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Jon-W2MC illustrates a point.
Many have mentioned that run-of-the-mill (untrained)hams are not needed or of much use in a 'localized' emergency. Jon's posting illustrates that point perfectly. The pros are well equipped and trained to handle pretty large events.
My interest in re-directing the ARES focus is really looking at large scale disasters. A thermo nuke set off over Chicago would disrupt most of the midwest. The medical hospitals run scenerios with deadly disease control that span huge territory and their SETS include disrupted comm channels. Yellowstone Park is on the list to become the next Mt. St. Helens times 10 and take out everything within 600 miles. These are SETS where hams can train at the state and national level--if only there were leadership focused to do so.
For many hams, the notion of becoming an extension of police or fire EM is to be avoided since the pros have these bases covered so well. Do others in this thread believe that a national focus would bring more interested hams into ARES?
Ford-N0FP
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by WA4MJF on February 10, 2004
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It is obvious that most of the folks
on this thread have no idea what ARES/RACES
does in a disaster.
I've been doing it for 40 plus years and
yes, many moons ago we were called to
put on our yellow helmets and CD arm bands
and go out and watch for things, but in recect
history here in NC Section (we have floods, hurr
and himmicanes, ices torms etc), we man EOCs,
EM Warehouses, Shelters and command posts.
Yes, during times when PS towers are knocked down
we might go and be on the scene of something, but usually not.
In this high security age, no badge, not get in
and it must be dispalyed at all times particularly
in the EOC. So you badges do have a place.
73 de Ronnie
PS for AE6IP RACES is older that ARES, but not
its predecessor AREC.
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by N0FP on February 10, 2004
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WA4MJF writes:
It is obvious that most of the folks
on this thread have no idea what ARES/RACES
does in a disaster.
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I agree with you. And I include myself as one of the clueless. Why? Because in MN we don't have himmicanes, or earthquakes. Floods are very localized. Ice storms are a way of life so public EM just deals with these. And this is also the scenerio that plays out in many areas of the country.
I can see that some areas that are often beseiged with disasters, like VA, CA, NC, FL, and elsewhere, ARES/RACES is very mature. Management is focused on real needs and training is appropriate for the tasks at hand. Outside those mature areas, like here in MN, (here come the flames) ARES tends to be comprised of relatively tiny cells of skilled people--units of one or two hams are common, and many counties are not served at all. Checking into a net is often the extent of activity.
My focus is not aimed at changing anything in well run and managed active areas. My interest is in getting people involved in the dormant areas. I believe all hams throughout the country should be capable of getting involved at some comm level should the need arise.
Are others of the same opinion or is it just me?
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by KC8VWM on February 11, 2004
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About learning the ARECC courses:
There are 3 EMC courses, ARECC I, II, and III. ARECC is Amateur Radio Emergency Communication Course.
This idea that becoming a "Certified ARECC" hardly compares to my academic qualifications in the emergency services field.
With over 10 years of direct ER experience under my belt, I appreciate what Amateurs are trying to do in assisting the EMS community.
The problem in my mind is the question of a persons "qualifications" in handling a real emergency.
I am sorry, but most of the Amateur Radio community do not have the academic and technical skills to be directly involved in a life saving emergency.
There is more to a rescue operation than having on an orange vest, wearing a badge and pulling a victim out of a mud puddle.
Rescue operations usually involve a detailed assessment process even BEFORE any rescue is even attempted.
It is in many cases quite possible to cause further injuries and harm to a victim (or yourself)if you do not conduct adequate assessment procedures.
Stabilizing victims during an emergency require laid out protocols & procedures involving different levels of EMS.
For those that think EMS is an Ambulance service, I would like to point out... it is not..
The Emergency Medical System is comprised of a team of individuals that are similarly trained with a knowledge base in handling certain events according to their individual scope and roles.
This is similar to individuals functioning during a football game. Emergencies are conducted in a very specific manner according to preplanned procedures and protocols that are in place.
Amateur's would only be able to provide certain limited functions in this scenerio.
I do commend those that try to assist in these situations... Providing that they understand thier role, and as long as they do not deviate from that expected role during an emergency.
I often hear that they try to become part of the "team" by trying to assist qualified EMS personnel.
I have experienced these types of individuals in the past. I was stabalizing a person who had fallen once - and a "passer by" individual tried to assist me with the patient.
This person immediatly thought that they could "help" me by offering thier assistance by getting the victim up off the floor.
My concern was that they may have sustained a head injury as the victims pupils were dialated. I also required a backboard and cervical collar.
How would you offer your assistance in this case?
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by WD6Z on February 11, 2004
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A few years ago the amateurs in our County, San Luis Obispo, California, were faced with the problem of reinventing ARES. We had a new nuclear plant going on line and new emergency plans being written by both the County and the plant owner, PG&E. Additionally, the utility built a new Emergency Operations Center for use by the County.
ARES was ill prepared to meet the needs of the various agencies which wanted our help. As an example, RACES was moribund and hardly recognized by the older ARES people. The solution was the formation of an "umbrella organization called SLOECC, "San Luis Obispo County Emergency Communications Council."
In the intervening years SLOECC has accomplished the following:
The "marriage" of ARES and RACES. They are the same people.
The ability to have RACES personnel covered by workers comp during operations.
Enabling SLOECC to become a 501,c3 organization and able to accept donations of money and equipment
Building and equipping a number of ECCs (Emergency Communication Centers) in our main EOC and numerous government centers such as fire and police departments. All of these can communicate with the EOC on VHF, UHF and Packet and if out of simplex range we add HF.
Buiding and installing mountain top VHF and UHF voice repeaters and several packet digipeaters. These are installed in County "hardened" facilities on a number of mountains with back up power.
To keep this message from becoming too long please look at our web site: "www.sloecc.org"
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by KA3RFE on February 11, 2004
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The only reason for an ARES group is to allow all the tactical communications to be done at the tactical frequencies and the logistical, health and welfare, scene-to-base calls of lesser importance to be sent via another system. That's where ARES comes in. Sure, there's cellphones and landline, but remember what happened to cellular and landline in the aftermath of the attack on the WTC.
Better to have something to rely on in the background than to need it and it doesn't exist.
73 Pete KA3RFE
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by AE6IP on February 12, 2004
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> This idea that becoming a "Certified ARECC" hardly
> compares to my academic qualifications in the
> emergency services field.
I agree. What served agencies *and* amateur radio operators have to realize is that the role of the ARS in emergencies is limited to providing backup communications during *communication* emergencies.
> The problem in my mind is the question of a
> persons "qualifications" in handling a real
> emergency.
ARES isn't about handling emergencies. It's about handling secondary communications. The phrase "blue light and badge brigade" is used to describe those amateur volunteers who do not understand this.
> I am sorry, but most of the Amateur Radio community
> do not have the academic and technical skills to be
> directly involved in a life saving emergency.
Most of the community in general don't have those skills. The skills that amateurs should bring to emergencies are communication skills. Unfortunately, even among those who understand this, there are very few who actually learn and practice these skills.
It causes me to cringe when I see amateurs who've never done any real dispatch shifts or training arguing that they should be called "professionals."
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by KC8VWM on February 12, 2004
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>>>Most of the community in general don't have those skills. The skills that amateurs should bring to emergencies are communication skills.<<<
Agreed , however it would seem lately there is a growing trend to offer "more" than just radio communication skills in the field to Amateurs for example:
Recently, I picked up a pamphlet about the prospect of additional training skills that are offered and available as an extension of skills for Amateur Radio Operators.
The pamphlet indicated the following "course" criteria:
Disaster Preparedness, Security, Communications
Care and Shelter, Psychological Counseling
CPR
Fire Suppression, Safety Assessment
Medical Operations
Light Search and Rescue
While I appreciate the efforts of those that are involved in offering such light "overviews" of these functions, this information provided to Amateurs are not a license to practice along side of well trained and professionally qualified individuals.
While I agree that everyone should be adequately prepared and personally equipped to deal with a civil disaster or emergency for the purpose of protecting themselves or their families;
Psychological Counseling??? - This in my opinion should not be a function of any Amateur Radio Operator... Period.
Professionals are trained in what we call "Critical Incident Stress Debriefing" not "Psychological Counseling."
CISD skills are an important function of the emergency response team, but it is only effective if the appropriate individual is chosen to perform this function. Emergency workers often choose & deploy the person that has clearly demonstrated the "most qualified" skill in this area during real emergency situations.
It is equally important that we just don't simply pick and choose just anyone available that has had this training in the past.
It is better for Amateurs to stick to the operational aspects directly related to radio communications in these "course" offerings.
I believe that CPR & First Aid training skills should be provided to every household across America. However, these skills should only be taught by an individual registered with the AHA with a current certification as a CPR Instructor such as myself.
The purpose of these CPR & First Aid training skills should not be intended in any way for seeking out victims at disaster sites to resuscitate.
There are just too many other considerations to take into account when one is involved in disaster rescue efforts of this nature.
The problem here is that once you start offering these "informational seminars" as an extension of skills to some of these individuals, they may start believing that they are somehow "qualified" to perform these skills during "communication emergencies."
Hence the reason these informational seminars may only serve to further provide a breeding ground for a self perpetuated "blue light and badge brigade" syndrome.
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by WA4MJF on February 12, 2004
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I think a lotta folks have not cuaght up with
today. Many moons ago, Civil Defense did use
blue lights (at that time Law and fire used red).
Back in the 1960s, I had blue lights in my grill
for RACES CD use and red lights for VFD use when
I was with the Portsmouth VA RACES. Also had the
blue CD armband and yellow helmet and picture ID
issued by Portmouth Civil Defense (after background
check by PPD).
NEWS FLASH**FOLKS THESE DAYS ARE LONG GONE!**NEWS FLASH
If you see RACES folks with this stuff, they're way
behind the times. Hell, even CD is gone.
The only thing that we have now is an ID Badge
to get into EOCs and such. If you see a ARES/RACES
member with a blue light, unless he is a LEO,
at least, here in NC Section, he is VIOLATING the
law.
A lotta folks have mentioned in this thread ARES/RACES
members with blue lights, but NO ONE has cited an
example. If all y'all who are posting this have seen
one, be more precise about when, who and where.
I've been to many ARES/RACES activations and in recent
years have never seen such.
73 de Ronnie
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by K1CJS on February 12, 2004
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I have watched this article and its postings with interest, and have to say that some of the people are undoubted right. Some 'blue light and badge' wannabees obviously exist and may even get in the way of the trained professionals who are doing their jobs. These people are definitely not needed--or wanted--by those same professionals, or by those ARES/RACES people who ARE doing exactly what the area EMA director have requested they do.
In any circumstances, the ARES personnel in this area are informed that they have no business at the scene of any incident UNLESS they have documented permission to be there. They are further informed that they are to do what they have been told to and should then leave as soon as possible.
The ARES/RACES personnel are not professionals. The only thing they know better than the actual professionals (unless they are otherwise trained) is how their radios and radio systems work. PERIOD.
Although there are properly instructed and equipped ARES/RACES groups out there who go by the book, so to speak, there are obviously the other kind out there too.
As an aside, at one meeting of our association, a ham showed up actually wearing an orange baseball cap with his callsign along with an orange vest. He had his handy talkie on his belt with a little clip on mike hanging from his collar. It turned out he wanted to join the ARES group, and was very upset when he was told his 'fancy outfit' had no place in our group. As I recall, he asked what kind of an ARES outfit we were running. We had the EMA director there that night and his answer was priceless: "Not the kind you'd want to join or the kind who would even have you!" Mr. Orange Vest left--very quickly.
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by WA4MJF on February 12, 2004
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Hee-hee, I agree a meeting is not the place to
wear and orange vest nor an EOC.
However, there are requirements, OSHA maybe,
that dictate reflective vests and hardhats.
I'm not able to get in the field much anymore,
but I do know of some instances where reflective
vests have been provided to ARES/RACES members
to wear and NOT as an option.
So let's not be too hard on the orange/reflective vests, you might have to wear one some time.
It would be interesting to have the posters recite
their ARES/RACES participation/experience. I'm
not asking anyone to do what I've not already done.
73 de Ronnie
OBS/OES District 7
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by N0FP on February 12, 2004
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K1CJS makes a very good point. And serves to illustrate exactly my earlier point about training 100% of hamdom.
I confronted my SM and his SEC on this topic. There are reasons to train 100% of hams. Not just the hams in ARES or RACES. They all need rudimentary training. Like...
WHAT IS ARES? HOW DO YOU, JOE HAM, FIT INTO THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS? ARE YOU INVITED TO EVERY DISASTER?
You see my point? There are so many misconceptions brought to the lime-light about all the successful ARES engagements around the country, JOE HAM has come to assume that he fits right in just because the ink on his brand new tech ticket has at least dried.
There are over 600,000 hams in the US. The vast majority have no clue as to what they can provide in terms of 'service.' They also have no clue as to what is appropriate behavior at an 'event.'
Ford-N0FP
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by KC8VWM on February 12, 2004
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K1CJS says,
>>>The ARES/RACES personnel are not professionals.
The only thing they know better than the actual professionals (unless they are otherwise trained) is how their radios and radio systems work. PERIOD.<<<
...And actually, I consider some radio Amateurs in this capacity as professionals that perform this function very well !!!
As an EMS professional, I would welcome any Amateur as a skilled communications professional in this capacity.
Heck, even wearing the orange vest thing doesn't even really bother me. It would sure look better than JOE HAM showing up at a disaster site wearing a Leonard Skinnard t-shirt!!!
The point being, is that Amateur Operators don't need more training in areas they are not intended to serve.
Amateur Radio Operators don't need any Victim counseling skills, search & rescue skills, disaster recovery training, how to fight forest fires etc. etc. etc....
Rather, ARES/RACES Amateurs should have contests like -"Who can put up a communications repeater on the air in under a minute" Concentrate in areas like electronic repair, Troubleshoot, diagnose and resolve EMS communication equipment failures in the field.
"My radio just quit.. Send ARES - STAT!"
That is what would really be helpful to me in the field.
We should all have a clear understanding of what is expected, and what is not expected of Radio Amateur Communication Professionals that are participating in these events.
RACES/ARES need to further clarify this role with EMS. They need to stay away from any idea that they are there in any capacity to provide "emergency assistance to victims in need" - This is my Job role, not Amateurs participating in RACES/ARES events.
I commend those that truly offer themselves in this defined role unselfishly to aid others in need.
"We lost data and that's when we clearly began to know that we had a bad day."
--Ron Dittemore, NASA space shuttle program manager
73
Charles -KC8VWM
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by AE6IP on February 13, 2004
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> While I appreciate the efforts of those that are
> involved in offering such light "overviews" of these
> functions, this information provided to Amateurs are
> not a license to practice along side of well trained
> and professionally qualified individuals.
The list you posted strikes me as being very similar to a CERT curriculum. The theory behind CERT (Community Emergency Response Team) iis that CERT is deployed only when the scale of a disaster is so large that mutual aid is unavailable and local first repsonders are overwhelmed.
The training for CERT fits the California OES disaster model, in that it is believed that CERT would only be deployed in a "72 hour no aid" situation, and would be responsible for neighborhood emergency response during the first 72 hours of such a situation.
The training is light, but it's only intended to be used in a severe emergency. I believe the CERT approach is a good compromise.
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by KB3JNR on February 13, 2004
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**1. Is Joe Hamm willing to stand up and provide equipment and man power in the event of a wide-spread emergency?**
My station is available for use in the case of an emergency. With time, I can expect to double my backup power to 14 days for all my radios and be able to take it to remote sites in less than an hour. I can walk out of my house knowing that my family is covered with emergency supplies, backup power, and shelter. That is a question of planning, something that many people don't do, because they don't know how to do it.
But perhaps the more appropriate question would be whether Joe Hamm(or me) would be supported by employers and local officals and ARES leadership. What is ARES doing to raise awareness in the local community so that employers know what it is that might be needed?
Even better, is the local ARES leadership the type of people you'd want to work with? I cannot say, given the way in which the local group is being organized, that I have much confidence that the politics and egos won't get in the way. Our local ARES group is turning into nothing but an ego stroke for one ham who wants everyone to think he's important. When leadership assumes that they know more, think they are better than others, and presumes you will just follow along like sheeple and do their bidding, it turns people off.
The proof of any ham is how you do the job, not your license class or how clubs you belong to(or have been thrown out of).
**2. Does Joe Hamm have any rudimentary training in providing communications?**
What has the community done to encourage Joe Hamm to seek it? Joe Hamm doesn't need speeches about what a great warm fuzzy it is to serve, he needs to feel that he can approach people and get answers to his questions without being made to feel a fool.
**3. Should Joe Hamm be expected to have a basic understanding of structured communications procedures?**
**4. Should Joe Hamm be expected to practice these procedures from time-to-time?**
Is this the only way that Joe Hamm can serve the public? I don't personally care if Joe Hamm can do structured communications if Joe Hamm can put up an antenna or run a soldering iron or set up a backup power supply or understands the nuances of various transmission modes sufficiently to get the station up and running. Supporting the people on the air is as important as being on the air.
**5. Who should train Joe?**
A good question. Experience was always my best teacher.
**6. Should Joe Hamm need to demonstrate rudimentary communications skills to maintain his ham license?**
Why should they have to? Why should one segment of the ham community like ARES be in a position to decide who gets to keep their license? I can just imagine the fiasco it would be to have fat, sociopathic, egomaniacs in charge of deciding who gets to stay and who gets to go. Ham radio would reduce to 10% of it's current size.
**7. What form of organization would Joe look to for guidance?**
The organization that can best help Joe learn what he wants to learn about it. Some people dig the club thing, while others read books. Elmers are invaluable for others. In the end, it has to be the method, time, and place of Joe Hamm's choosing. We certainly don't need the ARES Nazis running around discouraging people.
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by W7STS on February 13, 2004
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I found myself in the path of Hurricane Isabel this last year, and been a new transplant to the Virginia Beach area, sent an email to the Virginia SEC when Isabel's direction was known (about 72 hours prior to landfall). My email was immediately forwarded to the EC of Virginia Beach whom I did not hear from until several days after the passage of the storm. As a side note, I did spend 80 hours in the Chesapeake EOC prior, during and after the storm’s passage when they determined they had a need for help.
Having read on this and other forums that EMCOMM was about 150 volunteers understaffed in Virginia, it leads me to believe the ARES structure is plagued by problems.
1. ARES is a political animal plagued with turf wars and a lack of vision. The perception that local groups need to protect their turf ultimately provides a disservice to the communities they are trying to serve.
2. Until ARES or another group presents a means to get volunteers to the large-scale emergencies, the local area will always be short handed. Local hams will (and I applaud them) protect family and property before protecting the community. This is as it should be. If a community needs you to man 5 shelters for 5 days, you will need a minimum manning of 10 hams and this assumes a 12 & 12 rotation. If an EOC needs to be manned then this adds 2 more people. This can rapidly overwhelm a small community when the need is for 5 or more days.
3. Local ARES managers need to have a central agency for requesting manpower. A section manager or SEC will not have the time to call neighboring states or sections to request help. Considering that Isabel gave nearly 5 days notice on her intended path, and that Virginia was about 150 volunteers short, one must conclude the system currently won't work when needed.
4. EC's must be receptive to having outside labor assist during major disasters. I sense the local managers see this as a slap in the face when the opposite is true. If they hadn't put a plan in place and executed the plan, a bigger disaster would have ensued. Outside labor must be willing to do the grunt work. Local volunteers are by definition the "experts" in the local resources (physical and relationships).
5. Until a viable means for getting volunteers to the scene from hundreds of miles away, we will have a shortage of volunteers. ARES / ARRL is not setup to accommodate this tasking. FEMA's focus is after the event, and in the case of a hurricane a lost opportunity occurs.
6. A greater focus on "tactical" short-range communications needs to occur. Being able to communicate across the country is good, but probably not the primary need. Having personnel who have dual band capabilities and KNOW how to operate in multiple modes (i.e Crossband repeat, non-standard splits, or just to be able to program memories) is of a greater importance than the formal message long haul traffic nets. Providing redundant communications should become a major focus as well. If the trunking system fails, having a parallel method of communications may save lives.
These are all items, which can be solved, but largely need a major buy in from local organizations. Getting the rest is just a matter of time. I look forward to your comments.
Rick Aldom
W7STS
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by KE4SKY on February 13, 2004
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Our experience in Northern Virginia was quite different. I attribute the difference to very active, involved ECs, who are a credit to ARES and the amateur service. I was not involved in the amateur radio response, because I was on paid duty status with my agency. I worked in the EOC, as well as in field operations to help manage logistics for a flood response, evacuation of 200 homes, damage assessment and countywide loss of AC and city water by a million people. My agency also removed over 600,000 tons of hurricane related debris during the recovery phase and has qualified for over $18 million in FEMA public assistance grants for Isabel related projects.
We are very lucky in Fairfax County - and I am say this as a Virginia RACES, Inc. official - the Fairfax County ARES EC, Howard Cunningham, WD5DBC has done a great job. He has been actively involved with County Emergency Management in review of our County Emergency Operations Plan since 9/11/01.
During Isabel amateurs from several organizations, including ARES, VA RACES and MARS provided comms at shelters, manned the amateur station at the EOC in a highly competent manner. All worked together cooperatively and with professionalism.
Our County Emergency Manager doesn't care which organization amateurs belong to as long as they are competent, trained, and follow instructions.
It CAN be done.
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by K1CJS on February 13, 2004
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>>>I'm not able to get in the field much anymore, but I do know of some instances where reflective vests have been provided to ARES/RACES members to wear and NOT as an option.<<<
You've provided the solution to the problem! LET THE VESTS BE PROVIDED FOR YOU IF THEY ARE NEEDED. Don't just wander into a situation wearing your own.
I do have a hardhat with ARES/RACES AND SKYWARN identifiers on it--no callsign or "ham radio operator" emblazoned on it. That hardhat remains in the trunk of my vehicle until I am told it is needed.
I have an ARRL badge and a EMA picture badge-together for identification purposes. That is all that is really needed, basic identification. You don't need your callsign on your back, or ham radio plastered on your jacket or anything else that some hams think are "cool" to identify themselves. It detracts from the image we try to project of ourselves. After all, we're really there to help where needed, not to be a billboard for ham radio or a distraction to others.
Believe me, the people who we want to know we are there do know it, they don't have to be reminded of it or embarrassed by our 'gaudy' appearance.
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by KA3RFE on February 14, 2004
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Recently, on eBay, an ambulance converted into a mobile unit was on auction. No problem, right? Well, the thing still had its original warning lights and siren on it. On the sides there were big graphics that said '(callign omitted) Net Control," and some other things. The rear box space was semi-converted into only one operating posistion and 2 or 3 radios and it sported all kinds of antennas.
It's the big graphics and the warning lights that make the vehcile a four-wheel vest. When on the road, it clearly looks like ab ambulance.
The idea is a good one. If I had the cash at the time, I would have made a bid, taken the lights and siren off (would not be legal in my state) and made proper conversions to the box to make a serious commo wagon out of it. The way it was, it's just someones's big toy.
73, Pete KA3RFE
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by W6ROX on February 14, 2004
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It has been interesting to follow this strand and I found myself surprised at the range of comments. Last December SLOECC activated ARES/RACES in response to the San Simeon earthquake. Cell and landline phones were down or overloaded and the Red Cross and Salvation Army requested our services for comunications. Local repeaters ran on generators and our ECC, which is part of our cities' Emergency Services facility, was activated for about 24 hours. Paso Robles benefited from our support as did the surrounding communities of San Luis Obispo. My sense was that the team worked well together and that our communications support for the served agencies was done efficient and business like manner.
I had signed up for the ARRL ARECC Level I course just a week before the earthquake and finished it this week. It was a worthwhile class that I would recommend.
Oh yes, I have been licensed for less than a year and have been welcomed into the ham community in the area.
73's,
Mary
W6ROX
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by KB3JNR on February 14, 2004
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Well here's the scenario for Hurricane Isabel in our county:
The call came out over the Skywarn Repeater that there was a -desparate- need for hams to go down to OES and help out at or around 7:30pm. So, after finishing my stint on Skywarn, volunteering for an overnight slot, doing the last bit of wireup and the last test of the generator so the house was set, I kissed my husband, grabbed my rain gear and supplies, and headed out.
The school we were told to meet at had no idea we were coming or what to do with us. They said to go back to OES. The other ham who showed up and I started back toward downtown in our vehicles.
Rain came down in big sheets and the wind was doing a great job of defoliating the place. I found my way into the OES and found two more hams there, sitting off to the side, not doing anything. Weather Channel was on, showing the storm(very pretty!), and I found that there was one 2m rig tuned to a rather inactive ARES net in the next county, an HF rig that mostly spent the night not being used much, a 100 amp rack mount power supply...and no plan.
I had my HT tuned to Skywarn and listened to stuff as it rolled in. The ham I met at the shelter brought in a Cushcraft 2m beam and we got the net in the next count to at least sound intelligible. I finally drove home to grab the mobile out of my van, put it on the powersupply, and did my best to be helpful. Occasionally the OES people would ask if I'd heard anything about damage and I'd relay significant things in both directions between them and Skywarn.
Otherwise, the night was pretty much a sleeper. I felt useless. I did, however, get to hear all the dirty political laundry from all the various clubs and VE groups around, found myself intterupted at almost every turn while I worked out a rough spec for a rolling ham station that could be kept in a closet, and relayed Skywarn info to the OES folks.
Ultimately, I was unimpressed. I was willing to go where needed and do the job, but no one with authority was really all that interested in that. I left in time to get home for the 2am Skywarn shift, ran it until 5am, and went to bed.
Lesson: I should have stayed home.
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by KA3RFE on February 14, 2004
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KB3JNR:
The REAL lesson is that your OES needs to get their (explective) together and have a plan.
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by WD5DBC on February 14, 2004
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Hi Virginia (KB3JNR)
I can not speak for your location, (she is about 45 minutes from me) but I am the EC mentioned about 5 up from yours. I can tell you that we had a definite plan in place that we executed for Isabel. (That is not to say that the plan could not have been improved - the after action report is 4 pages long!) We did not have hams going anywhere to do anything that they did not know about in advance and we certainly did not have the luxury of having a group of hams stand around wondering what to do or where to go.
Next time, I would love to have your help in Fairfax County....
WD5DBC
EC Fairfax County.
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by KB1IUB on February 15, 2004
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I think that tactical messages will be used
over the message format.
The message format has a lot of points including
the record keeping; which could be vital later on.
However, simply relay of messages might work
and function easier for the end user.
I think that the message training is over
emphasized.
At 830 in the metro Boston area, there will
be an ARES training drill on the MMRA
repeater system.
Bill
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by W4RK on February 15, 2004
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WOW! What a great discussion. As a brand new EC (3 weeks) there is much to learn here. What I have learned so far from my exposure to ARES as a newbie EC is:
(1) ARES is as good or as bad as the local group makes it. In our Section (TN) I have great support from a high energy and experienced District EC (DEC) and a likewise supportive SEC.
(2) ARES is not a democratic organization, nor should it be. However, I have been blessed with a great Planning Committee and we work well together. I don't do all the work. Developing group processes with volunteer manpower is a stimulating challenge and rewarding at the same time.
(3) Since we live in tornado alley, SkyWarn is a great outlet for ARES groups. We have had our share of flash flooding and major winter storm events as well. ARES and SkyWarn do not compete, but work together.
(4) Criticism in these responses of being organized at the county level is, IMHO, off base. You just can't stop at the county level but it should START at the county level. We share manpower and repeater resources with adjacent counties to good effect. We have our DEC to coordinate things across county boundaries and he does a great job. Our liason with the NTS and HF nets at the state level gives us reach beyond our linked VHF/UHF repeater systems.
That ARES attempts to accomplish its mission with volunteer resources of people and equipment is in a word bold! That it succeeds so well in so many cases is wonderful! Sure, we should review, criticize, and tweak to make us even better, but to suggest that ARES is outmoded or ineffective is just not the case.
73,
Bill Gerth
W4RK
Williamson County, TN ARES
Emergency Coordinator
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by WA4DYD on February 16, 2004
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I have found this discussion quite interesting, particularly the experiences of various folks in different parts of the country and how they have been perceived/received by their local EMA's.
Here in Gwinnett County, we have an excellent relationship with the County EMA. I personally feel this is key to the success (or failure) of any ARES group. Key personnel in ARES actively participate in the EOC Steering Committee, attending monthly meetings of that group, and ARES is considered a secondary support function for communications as demonstrated by county emergency plans.
Notice I said secondary. We know that we will only be called if government resources are overwhelmed. This happened after a tornado in 1998. Gwinnett ARES worked with the Red Cross in damage assessment and the assessment was completed in record time. For Y2K, ARES was activated to provide backup communications for every fire station, the 911 center, every police precinct and the EOC.
SKYWARN is another activity that the county has promoted and the county has been certified StormReady by the National Weather Service. The county has tasked ARES with immediate damage assessment in the event of a damaging storm to relieve EMS personnel to respond to true emergencies. SKYWARN is activated automatically any time a National Weather Service severe storm warning is issued for the local area.
Plans have been developed to respond to these various requirements. Training is crucial to the success of supporting served agencies. It is a requirement for being issued a unique ID that allows local ARES personnel into controlled areas. We also have plans and personnel designated to provide training to responders who have not been trained in operations procedures used locally. Those operators will be issued temporary IDs once they complete orientation.
I found one comment about agencies having all the resources they need. Any agency that understands their systems and the commerical infrastructure, as our served agencies understand, know that in the initial response phase of a major event they will not have adequate resources. It must also be remembered that local jurisdictions are responsible until they exhaust their resources. In a widespread event, neighboring jurisdictions will be taking care of their own and local jurisdictions will have to hold their own for some period. ARES must be prepared to provide local support first, then expand outward to nighboring groups and higher command levels.
Bottom line, our ARES group has an MOU with our local EMA and an MOU with a local hospital. There are also MOU's for taking operational control of most of the repeaters in the county in the event of a declared emergency. Those agreements form a clear path of command and control (yes, I spent 26 years in the military, all in communications) in the event of a disaster. In the event of a declared disaster, the local EMA director is "The Boss" when it comes to supporting a declared emergency in the local ARES jurisdiction, not the DEC or SEC unless we are supplying resources at those levels. We only provide status reporting as needed and requests for needed assistance to those levels.
My hope and prayer is that we will be prepared if needed, but more importantly, that we will never be needed. Unfortunately, in todays environment, the probability of our being called has greatly increased. To borrow a motto from The Boy Scouts of America, "Be prepared!" (Yes, I was one of those, too.)
73's
Stan Edwards, WA4DYD
EC Gwinnett County Georgia ARES
President, Gwinnett County ARES, Inc.
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RE: ARES -- Many Questions
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by KB3JNR on February 17, 2004
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Given my experiences and the fact that I know that ARES/RACES is different everywhere(I do understand that, Howard) and that there are always going to be people willing to help out on the spur of the moment, I believe that having some very general guidelines for these folks AND for the people coordinating them would help.
A few simple suggestions:
A general document that can be handed out at clubs, posted to the internet, and made widely available to the community to explain the things people need to do to be ready to participate in ECOMM as an unaffiliated person. You are ALWAYS going to have people who want to help, but who will have never attanded a class or have time to go to a meeting. This audience is the one served. Tell them to make sure their families and homes are secure, that their backup plans should be ready to go at home and to have their 'go' bag ready with things like toothbrushes, spare underwear, rain suits, spare clothes, etc(In addition to...radios!)
I know that there are docs like the ones above out there, but frankly, I found them kurt, rude, and less than helpful. If you want volunteerism to flourish in amateur radio, you absolutely must make people feel that it is worth their time.
It's also helpful for coordinators to realize that stragglers are going to come in, especially when random calls for help go out over repeaters.
Remember that the impression that ARES/RACES leaves on the stragglers like me is going to have a profound effect on whether or not we decide that it is worth participating in the future. "Please" and "Thank you" are two of the most powerful phrases in the English language, and they really do help make people feel better about their experience.
KB3JNR, someone who has done more than a little volunteer coordination in other organizations.
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by N0FP on February 17, 2004
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KB3JNR has really struck a resonant chord with me. I'm Joe Ham. I see the highly visible success stories in the pages of QST and even the local paper. I think it's great.
I've been a ham since the 70s and never had one lick of training in emergency communications. I see the success stories and ponder "so what if they call me? Am I ready?" The answer was clearly NOPE! Contacting my state's management, I find that the EC1 course is all that is available.
I've tried many times to take the EC1 course. This time I was determined to get in. At 11:00PM local, only moments after the class registration opened, I hit the enter key and got in. The assistant EC in my neighboring county was asleep and tried to get in the next morning at 4AM. FULL!
The EC1 course, I am told, is just about my only hope of getting a rudimentary understanding of what is expected of me if the call should come. But it is a 25 hour committment of my time. It seems to me that the general population of hams need training--at least a rudimentary explanation of what ARES is all about, and what is expected, and how to respond, should the call go out in a wide area catastrophe. From the looks of the articles on ARES activities, you are supposed to show up at the flashing red lights with a yellow vest, big gawdy white helmet with my callsign, a fist full of HT batteries, and hope for the best. As has been described so completely by the veterans that have posted on this thread, that's the absolute opposite response. ARES should tell the greater ham community how to react. What's the path of action? They need training. Everybody needs training.
Thanks for the bandwidth and all the excellent responses to this article, which I wrote several weeks ago. Hearing this discussion leaves me with some hope that the bases will somehow be covered, no matter how thin the rank and file may appear to be in my area.
My EC1 materials just arrived via email today. I might as well get started...
73
Ford-N0FP
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by KI4CCB on February 18, 2004
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Very sad attitude... you just need to look at the response to Isabelle in Eastern North Carolina to see why ARES is a good thing. I sure hope your not a ham operator and just a load mouth.
Jerry
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by KE4SKY on February 18, 2004
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Our Virginia training modules are available from our web site for anyone to use for noncommercial, educational and public safety use. All are welcome to visit the following URL:
http://www.va-ares.org/html/va_races_training___reference.html
The units require Adobe Acrobat Version 6.0 to open. If you have an older version of Acrobat Reader, you may get an error message when trying to open the files. You can also download the 6.0 reader from our site.
W0IPL invites more discussion of what training needs are out there, in the Eham Emergency Communications forum. Please feel free to visit links provided there, post your concerns and comment. 73
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by KB3JNR on February 18, 2004
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KI4CCB,
No, I disagree with your supposition. Hurricane Isabel in North Carolina is a fine example why coordinated, well thought out, planned, and executed efforts are invaluable. There is no doubt in my mind that in an area prone to earthquake, flood, hurricane, whatever that there are many people with clues who plan things out as to how to get the best response and C&C. It is not, however, that way everywhere, nor do served agencies and ARES always have their acts together.
I am strongly considering taking the RACES classes in Virginia this coming year. I am already doing Skywarn and NTS. I will be taking the ARRL ECOMM classes after I upgrade to Extra. It simply is not the case that I prefer to sit on my hiney and do nothing--it is that I don't want to waste my time once I have done my part to be ready.
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by CODEBASHER on February 24, 2004
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Most of District I have abandoned ARES here in Missouri due mostly to the Storm Trooper and dictatorial attitudes if the DEC and SEC. We have had no SET for two years now, not because we didn't try to get one going, but when we did we were yelled at for mentioning that we needed one. 4 of the 6 counties have turned away from ARES and are investigating RACES for our respective Counties. We have invested too much to just quit, But we aren't going to be bullied around either.
Missouri ARES needs to be re staffed with people who know how to treat "VOLUNTEERS" not as raw military recruits.
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by WA4MJF on March 11, 2004
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Well, Charles, you would not have to
worry about that in NC Section ARES.
Our SMs have said for years that we are
communicators, and that is it. What
we bring to the table is the ability,
when all else fails, to get a message from point A to
point B accurately.
We don't sweep floors nor set up cots, we don't fill
sandbags, we don't serve in chow lines, nor help
fight fires nor give first aid (except to
our own people, if no one else is available) nor anything else. Joe blow citizen
can do that other stuff, becuase it does
not require a license from the FCC.
Our current SM has relaxed that to the
point: if you're off duty at a shelter and
you WANT to help in manual labor, then you
may as long as it does not interfere with
your ARES duties.
73 de Ronnie
OBS/OES District 7
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by WM5Z on July 3, 2004
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How short is the memory! On 9/11, total loss of communications for fire and rescue occured when the twin towers came down. Cell phone service in the area went down. Local phone service was severed. Amateurs serving local authorities is what was needed, and provided. This was provided by hams that came to the aid of their community. They did this not to make a name for themselves, but because the need was there. Can anyone tell me the names of those that responded? Here in New Mexico, we never heard their names, but did hear about their service. This goes equally with other disasters where we heard about hams serving. So, in the long run, I don't think anyone responds in an emergency to get fame.
Think that can't happen in your area? As for me and my wife, we choose to train and prepair. I hope we never have to use our skills in a real emergency, but one never knows. I feel it is much better to train and prepair, than just settle on being one of the victims.
Oh, and yes, I am an "Old Fat nerd", and proud of it.
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by KE5EGI on April 23, 2005
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I have read some the post to this subject, and while I agree with some of the posts, I also disagree with some. I have just been selected to our county ARES, have passed the NIMS course offered by FEMA, I am also a Net Control Operator for 1 of the radio clubs here in town and I say that even though all of this is vol. time, I feel like I am doing good should that day when we need emergency operators come. Helping people in need is just a part of Ham radio if you ask me. Ham is not just DX'ing to others around the world. Ham radio is also for local emerg. For those that think this is a waste of time, what are you doing posting to this suject?
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by AD5TD on September 10, 2005
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"WANT2B_EMC on February 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>>ARES, RACES, and MARS all require training, adherence to procedure, and practice<<
You forgot to mention that you need to be willing to get in peoples way even when you're not needed, you have to be excessively obese or look like a geek and most of all, you have to act like a know-it-all.
Get a grip on your self-rightious self you stupid wannabe weekend warrior!"
Boy! Your name says it all....
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by AD5TD on September 10, 2005
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by KB2SSA on February 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe ARES has become outmoded. I am an ARES member and I feel that ARES has been replaced like the vacume tube. How much traffic does ARES really pass during a hurricane? Is this traffic that could have gone through the telephone, internet, etc? Was the traffic passed through ARES simply as a matter of convience. And is that traffic truly of emergency nature for non-hams. ie is that person sending the message a ham or a friend of a ham who sends it to a ham? How many messages really get passed to non hams?
So those are the questions. I feel that the chances of all communications going down in today's world is slim to none. Usually when it does go down, it is in an isolated section of the commmunity and the unaffected will help out the affected. Even if the local telephone switch crashes, the telephone company will now provide each and every customer affected with a cell phone.
So ARES has failed to adapt. We dont fit in anymore. The govt has RACES, they dont want ARES, They also have CAP and MARS, so ARES is out once again.
We are viewed as a bunch of yahoos with radios and nobody wants us at a disaster unless we can slop mash potatoes on a tray.
Thats my 5 cents. "
Then why is SATERN looking for 200 ops?
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by WA4DYD on September 11, 2005
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Also, why did the Red Cross ask for 500 to 800 amateur operators to go into the impact ares to provide communications for shelters and feeding units?
As in any technology related area, ARES must redefine it's mission and role. The focus in our jurisdiction has been on support in the immediate 72-hour interval following a major disaster. Being a realist, every major event has had immediate needs that were not met by the normal communications infrastructure. In the case of Katrina, it is much longer due to the magnitude. In many, if not most, instances ARES has done very little in the way of planning or working with their local served agencies to explore how they may be of assistance. They aren't "plugged into reality" and are living in the past. How many ARES groups have published plans that support their served agencies? That doesn't work in this day and age. We must be more proactive.
The local ARES group was asked by our EMA about providing an intermediate Internet connectivity to support a Joint Recovery Resource Center. We did so to allow served agencies to check out the 30 or so PCs brought in to provide service to evacuees. We also ended up helping install all that equipment, installed big pieces of the Ethernet network, published telephone directories, managing the GMRS radios that were provided to all the participating agencies, reconfiguring the LAN components when there were congestion problems. Essentially we became the "Geek Squad" for the operation and helped staff the command post for this operation because of the relationship we have with out local EMA.
Bottom line, get your head out of the sand and get to work. If you don't feel needed, it's your fault that you are no longer plugged into the mainstream and you will go the way of the CW skill requirement. (I heard at least one station in the impact area that could only work CW and it was loud and clear! CW still has its place just like all the other technologies we use.) Most groups have expertise that can be used and that information needs to communicated to your served agencies. They may not need our radios every time, but being able and willing to help with other technologies will go a long way in enhancing both your relationship and your worth to the served agency. Oh, our radios were used to coordinate various activities within ARES, but not to provide communications for the served agency this time.
73's
Stan Edwards, WA4DYD
Emergency Coordinator Gwinnett County ARES®
President, Gwinnett County ARES®, Inc.,
a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation
http://www.gwinnettares.org
"Preparedness is not an event, it's a continuous process."
~ Dr. Julie Gerberding, Director CDC
(ARES® and Amateur Radio Emergency Service® are registered service marks of the American Radio Relay League.)
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