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FCC Chairman Touches on BPL Interference Issue in Press Club Speech:
FCC Chairman Michael Powell has cited the Commission's promotion of
Broadband over Power Line (BPL) technology as an example of a government
policy that supports expansion of broadband technology to all Americans.
At the same time, Powell said, the FCC needs to ensure BPL doesn't
interfere with licensed radio services. In his January 14 speech before
the National Press Club, Powell mentioned BPL among "new emerging
platforms" for broadband delivery.
"With BPL you theoretically reach every American with broadband to every
power plug in America," Powell said. "Our goals of universal service will
be substantially advanced if that service were fully deployed." Powell
also acknowledged interference concerns that have been dogging BPL and
raised by the Amateur Radio community and by at least two federal
agencies: the Federal Emergency Management Agency--now a part of the
Department of Homeland Security--and the National Telecommunications and
Information Administration (NTIA), which manages spectrum allocated to
government users.
"We will continue to explore ways to support this technology while
protecting services from interference," Powell pledged.
In the next breath, Powell pointed out that the FCC also is looking to
increase the feasibility of broadband delivery via satellite. "Because
satellite technology has the ability to reach the entire country," he
said, "it holds tremendous potential as an effective Internet solution for
many parts of the nation, especially rural and remote areas, at affordable
rates."
When it issued its BPL Notice of Inquiry (NOI), ET Docket 03-104
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-100A1.doc, last
April, the FCC suggested that BPL technology would be one way to provide
broadband service to rural dwellers. Some technology experts suggest that,
because of the equipment needed to deliver BPL broadband to rural
customers, BPL would not be cost-effective for such residents.
In a bit of unintended irony, Powell's speech, "The Age of Personal
Communications," bore the subtitle "Power to the People."
Since BPL applies high-frequency RF to parts of the power grid, one aspect
of the NOI was to gather information on potential interference to
authorized spectrum users. To date, the NOI has attracted nearly 5150
comments, many from the amateur community.
The FCC has indicated that providers of BPL equipment "are free to
continue to deploy their networks in conformance with existing Part 15
rules." BPL providers already are setting up BPL systems in several
communities.
NTIA Acting Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information Michael
D. Gallagher recently told a gathering of the Power Line Communications
Association
http://www.plca.net/ that the risk of interference to
government or other spectrum users provides an incentive to BPL operators
to "design and operate their systems to avoid such interference." He said
the NTIA has been studying interference risks and the potential "for
making risks more tolerable." He said the objective is "to accommodate BPL
with acceptable risk."
The ARRL anticipates completing an independent BPL engineering evaluation
early this year. The study will explore how BPL might affect HF and
low-VHF amateur operation as well as how Amateur Radio operation could
affect BPL systems.
Additional information about BPL and Amateur Radio is on the ARRL Web site
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/. To support the League's efforts
in this area, visit the ARRL's secure BPL Web site
https://www.arrl.org/forms/development/donations/bpl/.
Source:
The ARRL Letter
Vol. 23, No. 03
January 16, 2004
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by W1RFI on January 17, 2004
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Another recent speech by FCC Commissioner Abernathy is saying essentially the same thing:
http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/abernathy/speeches2003.html
To quote:
"“Regardless of what one thinks about the appropriateness of common carrier regulations or related rules to BPL providers, there should be no doubt that regulators cannot permit new technologies to disrupt the operators of spectrum licensees in adjacent bands.”
“While the FCC has a duty to prevent harmful interference, I believe we should be circumspect about applying other types of regulation to nascent technologies such as BPL.”
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by KG6AMW on January 17, 2004
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Ed, I think those BPL guys will be hard pressed to have a system that runs well and doesn't cause or accept interference. I personally don't see it happening and suspect this thing will get a little nasty with the monied interests pushing for it while interference problems grow and the regulatory authorities attempt to have it both ways.
KG6AMW
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by N4QA on January 17, 2004
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A few verses from 'BPL Blues'...sung to the tune of 'Green Acres'.
"UHF is where it ought to be.
Too much QRM below, you see.
Hams, and all the rest are venting splean.
Michael, we love ya but give us a better scene..."
"Noise...noise! that's all you hams can make!
Get into high-tech for Heaven's sake!
Plug it in and you're in touch, right now!
Try as you might, you won't stop my cash cow!"
"Oh, no! FCC's run amuck.
Powell to the hams BPL's stuck!
I'm just so mad, my head may pop!
Only place I can hear sigs is yonder mountain top!"
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by AG4RQ on January 17, 2004
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Do not believe a politician. They all lie. They all tell you what you want to hear, then they go ahead and do what they want. Michael Powell was placed in his position by George Bush. Remember that on Election Day. I know I will. I am a registered Republican, but George Bush has got to go.
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by N0MLR on January 18, 2004
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Hi
Well I just don't see how they can say a system can be developed that will not affect other users of the spectrum. There is a little thing called "Harmonics" that will be a nightmare to deal with. Can you imagine the filters that will be required on every power line to keep the system clean? And what part of the HF spectrum does not have Licensed Users? So really no matter where in the HF spectrum they implement BPL they will affect some Licensed User except the CB Band. I think the NTIA will come in with its report and make or break this idea in a hurry. We will have to wait and see.
I Live in the country here in Kentucky. Cable TV does not even get out this far. However we do get wireless cable off a tower 15 miles away. And the internet is available to anyone already with $10.00 a Month and a Computer. I know the power companies will never be able to compete with that price. Now I know BPL will be faster than a dial up but hey I am just wasting time here on the computer anyhow. I have time to wait or I would not have set down to the computer. Fast page loading is not a big thing to me. And I enjoy Saving that extra $30 a month over the price of Fast Internet. How many others feel the same as I do on this issue. I bet more than we all know.
Well that is my Two Cents and I thank you for your time reading it.
Greg Dunn / N0MLR
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by AG4RQ on January 18, 2004
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In response to N0MLR:
It's the harmonic issue that has Cingular and the other cell providers up in arms. They have the kind of money to go up against the power companies. FEMA has come out strongly against BPL. NTIA, once their research is done will blow it out of the water altogether. I've been saying for a long time that we won't see BPL in its current state. We will probably see 5 GHz Wi-Fi, and I bet it will be provided by Cingular and all the other wireless providers.
I said what I said about Michael Powell because he keeps trying. He may be able to force this junk in even for a short time and create havoc until it is dismantled. Michael Powell is a political crony, just like his boss, George Bush. There are other issues about the Bush administration that don't sit well with me, such as spending $87 billion to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan (when oil-rich Iraq can pay for that themselves), the fact that we're still in Iraq and our soldiers are being picked off by terrorists practically daily, the fact that Bush took billions from the Social Security reserve fund to subsidize the airlines and pay for the war against terrorism when that money could have come from other sources, among other things. I also don't like the way he handled his first crisis - the incident with China when that Chinese fighter forced our plane down over international waters. China made a fool out of the United States with that incident.
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by AB0YW on January 18, 2004
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AG4RQ :
Amen brother. You hit the nail on the head. I usually refrain from policitcal comment, but I'm with you brother, GOP or DEM - doesn't matter, these guys have got to go.
BPL may launch in several locations. I suspect it will be quickly dismantled if other government agencies and private companies raise concern. Time will tell.
Seems BPL critics have a new target- the BPL investors that are getting duped. I think that's a suitable approach; protect investor money and deflate the lobbyists.
73 de AB0YW
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by AG4RQ on January 18, 2004
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By the way, In further response to N0MLR:
I wouldn't be willing to pay extra for broadband either. I use BellSouth for my dial-up Internet service. I have DSL and DSL Lite available in my area, but no thanks. DSL Lite is available for $29.95. I get the dial-up service for $14.95/mo. When you add up the Internet service, Complete Choice telephone service, my Cingular account and my long distance service, my phone bill totals to $110/mo. High-speed DSL, no thanks. As for BPL, they can go to hell.
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What a self-serving lackey...
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by N0NB on January 18, 2004
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But, then what can one expect from such an obvious political appointment. Consider this quote, "The FCC chairman pointed to Nielsen Net Ratings that indicate some 50 million Americans now have high-speed Internet connections in their homes. "When I became chairman, that number was a mere 12 million," he said. Powell took over as FCC chairman in 2001."
Like he had anything to do with the uptake of broad-band Internet services. Heck, those numbers would have been the same if Ed the Talking Mule had been FCC Chairman. Oh wait! Nevermind...
The appointment of FCC commissioners is in serious need of reform. The FCC is an agency of Congress, not the Executive Branch, so why is the president the one to nominate his cronies to the FCC? What qualifications did Powell have to head the FCC (besides the obvious)? It seems to me that the commissioners ought to be nominated by Congress (Telecommunications Sub-committee?) and the position ought to be a term of one or two years that is achieved by tenure on the commission on a rotating basis. Being appointed to the commission makes one the most junior member of the commission and then an individual would move up through the ranks to Chairman in five or ten years. This would remove the political favoritism to a large degree as I see it.
The FCC is in a sad state of affairs these days with the majority of the commissioners being lawyers instead of technologists. I have anecdotal evidence from an FCC Field Engineer that now the lawyers outnumber the engineers at the FCC. This is not good news for a technical pursuit like amateur radio which most lawyers can't understand.
Common sense is an endangered entity.
73, de Nate >>
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by AG4RQ on January 18, 2004
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One other thing that i forgot to mention in my political rant about Bush is that he sat back and allowed North Korea to develop nuclear weapons. Now, Iran is looking to do the same thing, and he's still sitting back and doing nothing.
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by KG6AMW on January 19, 2004
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AG4RQ, Voting on election day will not change the fact that we have politicians in office who appoint friends, take in money and settle favors. Its the nature of man to live this way and no amount of voting, law changing or revolution will alter the course.
KG6AMW
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by WA4MJF on January 19, 2004
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N0NB,
The FCC is an independent regulatory
agency. The President appoints and
the Senate gives its advice and consent.
Mikie is a protege of Sen McCain (r) AZ.
In fact, only he and Sen Allen (R)VA seem
to be in his corner anymore. Since McCain
is the Chairman of the committee with
oversite on the FCC, Dubya took his advice and
appointed him.
73 de Ronnie
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by AG4RQ on January 19, 2004
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Posted by KG6AMW on January 19, 2004:
"AG4RQ, Voting on election day will not change the fact that we have politicians in office who appoint friends, take in money and settle favors. Its the nature of man to live this way and no amount of voting, law changing or revolution will alter the course."
You hit the nail on the head. The truth is that we have a very corrupt government. Dirty politics abound all around us. You find it all around. Its not just the government. You find dirty politics in the workplace, in the churches, in sports. Everywhere. But, I still feel that we need a change in the White House. I'd rather take my chances with a new administration, and a new FCC Chairman. If you read my posts, its not just Michael Powell and BPL. I'm not at all happy with the job that George Bush has done as President over the past 4 years. If the Dems don't put up a candidate that I would vote for, I'll submit a write-in vote for Buigs Bunny.
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by KG4YJR on January 20, 2004
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I read recently that underground utility wires using BPL do not generate as much noise as overhead lines will and it was said to be hardly an issue at all. Being in surveying and engineering for over 18 years, I have not seen one new residential neighborhood or office development with overhead lines with the exception of the main lines along the main roads. It's mainly done nowadays to prevent severe and total damage to phone, electric and cable lines with the frequent tornados and occasional hurricanes. I currently live in an older subdivision with hardly any restrictions but I do have overhead lines on two sides of my property.
73
Dave
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by KF7CG on January 20, 2004
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Yes Dave the lack of overhead wire reduces the amount of noise. The total noise emission is still high because all the wiring in a house radiates and receives interference. Not as bad, but bad enough. I wish W1RFI would give use some numbers on a buried utility area if he has them.
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by KG4YJR on January 20, 2004
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Hello again David - KF7CG,
Not for cable (television), they usually just throw enough dirt to barely cover their wire, but for any underground electric it has to be buried a minimum of 36" (3ft.) to meet code and it's also inside conduit pipe. It's probably never been considered until recently.
It seems the ARRL is proposing a new licensing structure so it's possible I might be helping out through the ARRL channels after all but we'll see what happens down the road. I guess they've seen how the other 31 countries that have dropped the code requirement are doing, that it hasn't destroyed amateur radio in those countries after all. I've seen a lot of stateside, diehard pro-coders already bragging about all the brand-new QSL cards they're adding to their collection from brand-new HF operators abroad that didn't learn code but got upgraded. Double standards? Hypocritical?
Personally I'm looking forward to everyone being one the same side, hopefully, and then if you need my help, just ask and you've got it.
73
Dave
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by W1RFI on January 22, 2004
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> I wish W1RFI would give use some numbers on a buried
> utility area if he has them.
From what I saw in the trial areas, the areas of undergroud wiring had about S6ish level noise in spots, as opposed to S9+ in overhead wiring areas.
However, I don't place much stock in this. One of the reasons that the industry is asking for higher limits is that will let them run farther along lines without having to install any "repeater" equipment to regenerate the signal. In areas of underground wiring right now, they are probably using "stock" equipment for their installations, but in commercial deployment, I fully expect that they will make full use of the rules to allow them to most ecomomically install the systems. It is probable that the variation in noise levels will be a bit more in underground wiring areas, but I fully expect that the peak signals will ultimately be at the FCC limits, so the maximum interference then would be the same in underground-wiring areas as overhead.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
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by K1CJS on January 25, 2004
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>>>Like he had anything to do with the uptake of broad-band Internet services. Heck, those numbers would have been the same if Ed the Talking Mule had been FCC Chairman. Oh wait! Nevermind...<<<
You stopped it on that one, but just remember there is a difference between a mule and a jacka**......
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by AD6WL on January 29, 2004
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To AG4RQ, this is not a forum for your extremist right ring liberal opinion. This is a ham radio forum, get it? Go somewhere else to spread your hatred.
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