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ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free HF Access:

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Website: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/01/19/1/?nc=1 on January 19, 2004
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ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free HF Access

NEWINGTON, CT, Jan 19, 2004--The ARRL will ask the FCC to create a new entry-level Amateur Radio license that would include HF phone privileges without requiring a Morse code test. The League also will propose consolidating all current licensees into three classes, retaining the Element 1 Morse requirement--now 5 WPM--only for the highest class. The ARRL Board of Directors overwhelmingly approved the plan January 16 during its Annual Meeting in Windsor, Connecticut. The proposals--developed by the ARRL Executive Committee following a Board instruction last July--are in response to changes made in Article 25 of the international Radio Regulations at World Radiocommunication Conference 2003 (WRC-03). They would continue a process of streamlining the amateur licensing structure that the FCC began more than five years ago but left unfinished in the Amateur Service license restructuring Report and Order (WT 98-143) that went into effect April 15, 2000.

"Change in the Amateur Radio Service in the US, especially license requirements and even more so when Morse is involved, has always been emotional," said ARRL First Vice President Joel Harrison, W5ZN, in presenting the Executive Committee's recommendations. "In fact, without a doubt, Morse is Amateur Radio's 'religious debate.'" The plan adopted by the Board departs only slightly from the Executive Committee's recommendations.

The "New" Novice

The entry-level license class--being called "Novice" for now--would require a 25-question written exam. It would offer limited HF CW/data and phone/image privileges on 80, 40, 15 and 10 meters as well as VHF and UHF privileges on 6 and 2 meters and on 222-225 and 430-450 MHz. Power output would be restricted to 100 W on 80, 40, and 15 meters and to 50 W on 10 meters and up, thus avoiding the need for the more complex RF safety questions in the Novice question pool.

"The Board sought to achieve balance in giving new Novice licensees the opportunity to sample a wider range of Amateur Radio activity than is available to current Technicians while retaining a motivation to upgrade," said ARRL CEO David Sumner, K1ZZ. "It was also seen as important to limit the scope of privileges so the exam would not have to include material that is inappropriate at the entry level."

As an introduction to Amateur Radio, the Novice license served successfully for most of its 50-year history. The FCC has not issued new Novice licenses since the 2000 license restructuring, however. Under the ARRL plan, current Novice licensees--now the smallest and least active group of radio amateurs--would be grandfathered to the new entry-level class without further testing.

Anticipating assertions that the new plan would "dumb down" Amateur Radio licensing, Harrison said those currently holding a ticket often perceive the level of complexity to have been greater when they were first licensed than it actually was. "Quite frankly," he said, "if you review the questions presented in our license manuals throughout the years, you will be surprised how they compare to those of today."

Technicians and Generals

The middle group of licensees--Technician, Tech Plus (Technician with Element 1 credit) and General--would be consolidated into a new General license that no longer would require a Morse examination. Current Technician and Tech Plus license holders automatically would gain current General class privileges without additional testing. The current Element 3 General examination would remain in place for new applicants. ARRL already has proposed additional phone privileges for Generals in its "Novice refarming" petition, href="http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513084388">RM-10413, but the FCC has not yet acted on that petition.

Morse Code Testing Retained for Extra

At the top rung, the Board indicated that it saw no compelling reason to change the Amateur Extra class license requirements. The ARRL plan calls on the FCC to combine the current Advanced and Amateur Extra class licensees into Amateur Extra, because the technical level of the exams passed by these licensees is very similar. New applicants for Extra would have to pass a 5 WPM Morse code examination, but the written exam would stay the same. The League's plan calls for current Novice, Tech Plus and General class licensees to receive lifetime Element 1 (5 WPM Morse) credit.

"This structure provides a true entry-level license with HF privileges to promote growth in the Amateur Service," Harrison said. "It also simplifies the FCC database by conforming to the current Universal Licensing System (ULS) structure and does not mandate any modifications to it."

Sumner concurred. "The Board started out by recognizing that three license classes was the right number when looking down the road 10 or 15 years," he said. "We need a new entry-level license."

"On the other hand, there's nothing particularly wrong with the existing Extra class license," he continued. "The change in the international regulations notwithstanding, the Board felt that the highest level of accomplishment in the FCC's amateur licensing structure should include basic Morse capability."

Sumner and Harrison say the current Technician entry-level ticket provides little opportunity to experience facets of ham radio beyond repeater operation. "The quality of that experience," Sumner said, "often depends on the operator's location."

Among other advantages, Sumner said the plan would allow new Novices to participate in HF SSB emergency nets on 75 and 40 meters as well as on the top 100 kHz of 15 meters. The new license also could get another name, Sumner said. "We're trying to recapture the magic of the old Novice license, but in a manner that's appropriate for the 21st century."

Proposal Includes "Novice Refarming" Band Plan

The overall proposed ARRL license restructuring plan would more smoothly integrate HF spectrum privileges across the three license classes and would incorporate the "Novice refarming" plan the League put forth nearly two years ago in a Petition for Rule Making (RM-10413). The FCC has not yet acted on the ARRL plan, which would alter the current HF subbands. The Novice refarming proposal would eliminate the 80, 40 and 15-meter Novice/Technician Plus CW subbands as such and reuse that spectrum in part to expand phone/image subbands on 80 and 40 meters.

The ARRL license restructuring design calls for no changes in privileges for Extra and General class licensees on 160, 60, 30, 20, 17 or 12 meters. Novice licensees would have no access to those bands.

Proposed Phone/Image HF Subbands (Includes Novice Refarming Proposal)

80 Meters

    Extra: 3.725-4.000 MHz (gain of 25 kHz)


    General: 3.800-4.000 MHz (gain of 50 kHz)


    Novice: 3.900-4.000 MHz (new)

40 meters

    Extra: 7.125-7.300 MHz (gain of 25 kHz)


    General: 7.175-7.300 MHz (gain of 50 kHz)


    Novice: 7.200-7.300 MHz (new)

15 meters

    Extra: 21.200-21.450 MHz (no change)


    General: 21.275-21.450 MHz (gain of 25 kHz)


    Novice: 21.350-21.450 MHz (new)

10 meters

    Extra and General: 28.300-29.700 MHz (no change)


    Novice: 28.300-28.500 MHz (no change)

Proposed CW/Data-Exclusive HF Subbands (Includes Novice Refarming Proposal)

80 meters

    Extra: 3.500-3.725 MHz


    General: 3.525-3.725 MHz


    Novice: 3.550-3.700 MHz

40 meters

    Extra: 7.000-7.125 MHz


    General: 7.025-7.125 MHz


    Novice: 7.050-7.125 MHz

15 meters

    Extra: 21.000-21.200 MHz


    General: 21.025-21.200 MHz


    Novice: 21.050-21.200 MHz

10 meters

    Extra/General: 28.000-28.300 MHz


    Novice: 28.050-28.300 MHz


Copyright © 2004, American Radio Relay League, Inc. All Rights Reserved.


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ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by K0CBA on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Another step toward the ultimate goal of a "box top" license.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by W8AD on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Oh Oh!!! It won't take long for the flames to start!
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by KT0DD on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm already hearing chatter on the bands about organizing an ARRL boycott because of this.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by W2MC on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Boycott?

I think its a fair proposal, and acknowledgement of the real world.

I like it.

Jon
W2MC
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AD6WL on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I kind of like the idea. I would prefer three things different.

1.) They should give the new Novice privileges to current Techs, Tech+ and Novices.

2.) Current Techs, Tech+ and Novices should have to take the element 3 to upgrade to General.

3.) Current Techs should have to pass element 1 for General class license.

The new Novice class license seems to have a very good amount of HF privileges on the phone, digital and CW portions of the band. That is why element 1 should be retained for General.

Overall the ARRL has the right idea with the exception of the above-mentioned changes. But the current Techs should definitely not be upgraded to General without passing element 3.

My final though is that I wonder what groups like NCI and NCVEC think of the ARRL proposal.

73, Jim
AD6WL
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by K2LES on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I see this proposal as a fair across-the-board compromise. The ARRL recognizes that in order for ham radio to sustain itself and grow, an overhaul of the existing license structure is in order to effect an infusion of new blood. The international amateur radio community has embraced these changes. It's time the US follows suit.

 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AB0SI on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KT0DD added:
I'm already hearing chatter on the bands about
organizing an ARRL boycott because of this.

It made difference what the ARRL came up with: SOME were always going boycott/complain/threaten to join the Red Army Faction/sell their CB amps etc. etc. etc.

While I would have done things somewhat differently (of course, wouldn't we all?), the League seems to have developed a reasonable approach.

Just in case someone cares (I can't think why anyone would), I have mixed feelings regarding retaining code testing. Since I am writing this on Monday, I am for code testing.

73

Paul AB0SI
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by K3UD on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is pretty close to what I suggested to Jim Weaver, the Great Lakes Division Director.

However, I don't understand why the Novice class was not grandfathered into the the General class as was the Tech, Tech+ and Tech with code. While the Novice historically was THE entry level license, this was, in effect, taken over by the no-code Technician class shortly after it started.

While I support the idea of an entry level license, populating it with Novice and not the no-code Tech is a mistake, since these licenses are in fact entry level. In my opinion, it would have been better to include the Novice into the General and to craft the entry level license from ground zero, much the way the Novice license (and Technician) were crafted in the early 50s.

The merging of Advanced and Extra makes sense as the Advanced written test was....depending on whose opinion...more difficult than the Extra. In my case, the Extra was almost a gimme compared to the Advanced. I took the Advanced and the old 2nd Class commercial at the same time and the Advanced was tougher than the 2nd. While that's how I see it, others will dispute it.

Will the ARRL get burned over this? Tough to say. I always thought that they needed to sit back and wait a bit until the dust settles over the code question and perhaps commission some actual scientific based research among the membership and the amateur community as a whole. At least no one loses anything, and even the new entry level license has a good spate of privileges.

73
George
K3UD
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KE4MOB on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great...another 8 months of arguing and name calling.

Are we ever going to be happy with the status quo?
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by K0RGR on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think it is a win-win proposal for everybody.

Not that long ago, the written test for Tech and General were the same. When first created, Elements 2 and 3 were very similar in scope, and still are. In a recent VE session, we had 4 or 5 people attempt the General test immediately after passing the Technician. Without studying the General at all, all of these people,including one very non-technical XYL, came within 3 questions of passing the General. I think lack of Element 3 credit is much ado about nothing.

Now, we will have an opportunity to rewrite those tests the way we want them - please FISTS, help us create good technical exams for all classes. Some people will get 'lucky' but again, with the current dropout rate, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

There are things we would all do differently, but overall, I think ARRL did a great job of coming up with a fair proposal that will serve the entire Amateur Service well.

It's time now for us to come together. I fully support the proposal of ARRL and reject all others.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by W1AI on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Most of this proposal is great.

However, it makes NO SENSE to give General Class licenses to people who have only passed the much simpleer Technician exam. Current Tech and Tech Plus licensees should be converted to Novice.

Are they planning to include bubble gum in the wrapper with these converted General class licenses?
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AE7G on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I’ve always felt sorry for hams who start out as tech--they miss the fun of being a Novice, with Novice sub bands full of other “dumb” novices, and being on HF.

Plus, for me, the magic of ham radio has been xmitting a signal that bounces off the ionosphere, especially when the signal lands in another continent. I never got excited about making contacts via repeaters, even linked repeaters. VHF contacts via ducting was fun, but not enough to surpass the thrill of using the ionosphere.

I hope this new proposal enables new “Novices” to experience the same magic and FUN I had.

If the ARRL proposal comes to fruition, we will all have to work hard integrating new hams into HF culture.

It is unfortunate that the "new-hams" will hit HF during the trough in the sun spot cycle.

73
Bob
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by W5EEX on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This looks like a fair and reasonable proposal....although it will probably be a long time before it becomes "law"....so if you are trying for General now, and working on your code, I would not advise you to wait for this to take place. Keeping CW alive, and offering some incentives for Extras is a good thing....I am happy with it. I only wish the Extra code speed had been put back to 15 or 20 WPM....but this is a good compromise proposal as far as I am concerned. I guess I will be mailing in my ARRL dues renewal next month afer all :)
73, W5EEX
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4RQ on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I've always been against giving free upgrades, and I'm against making the General a codeless license. Let me revise this proposal some. Retain Element 1 testing for both General and Extra. Combine Elements 2 and 3 into a new Element 3. The new Novice exam should be categorized as the new Element 2. Keep Element 1, 2 and 3 testing for General. Keep Element 1, 2, 3 and 4 testing for Extra. I like the new bandplan and new no-code Novice idea for the entry-level license. No-code Technicians should keep the same privileges they have now plus the new Novice privileges on HF. No-code Techs should be required to take Elements 1 and 3 if they wish to upgrade to General. The new Novice class lecensees should have to take Elements 1, 2 and 3 if they wish to upgrade to General.

Should this proposal be published by the FCC and open for comments, I will post my comments along the lines that I stated above.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by W5LSD on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Oh great ... a theory dumbdown too.
Did WRC 2003 set the stage for diminishing
the written exams or could this just be
a $$$$$ thing for the ARRL ?
Most folks seem to favor tougher written
exams. And it's a fact that the majority of ARRL
members dont favor any flavor of codeLESS
HF license. Looks like the ARRL favors
revenue as it dis-assembles a formerly
proud hobby.
It's like thermal runaway ....
the dumber it gets, the faster it gets dumber !
And YOU can be a proud ARRL member and help the
dream come true !!
10-4 good buddies
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by KF9Z on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I am so upset I cannot express my true feelings beyond this (and I am a broadcaster by profession!)...

This idea is horrible! Since when did we give the idea up of working for things? If you want it badly enough you will work for it. If it is handed to you with no additional work you take it for granted. I love CW and I passed 13wpm code test prior top the rule change. Shortly after the new rules were in place I upgraded to Extra (and not because of the reduced code requirements as I am very fluid with CW and contest regularly).

That said I am VERY unhappy with the ARRL for this one. I have been a die-hard supporter of the ARRL in the past but I cannot defend the indefensible. This is outstanding in its stupidity. If you cannot earn it just wait long enough and you can get it handed to you. That is a sure fired way to instill respect for the hobby. If you are not required to work for something it looses all sense of accomplishment and desire to treat those privileges with honor and respect. Sure you can be an ass and pass your 20wpm code test. No ham on earth would disagree with that. But imagine the bands FULL of people who do not have the respect earned through study and tradition.

Oh well. There is not much I can do about it other than say my piece. And my piece is this...IT SUCKS. But that is the way the world is heading. Give it away as we do not want people to work for anything. That is not fair...the entire working for things thing. Count me out on this proposal and on the ARRL. My membership will lapse with out a renewal. I figured something was up when the League stopped selling QST at the book store. How can we attract new blood into the hobby if you do not promote your preeminent hobby magazine? I have it! GIVE AWAY THE LICENSE!
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KK7AC on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes Darrin, KF9Z, you are correct...a some-thing-for-nothing socity. Its real sad. A change was about to happen we knew, but I feel a little too much is being let go and given away. I only respect those who WORK for something, not GIVEN to them. I too will let my ARRL go after its run its course.....I was going to become a life member about 2 years ago when they had a pretty sweet deal to do so. THE ONLY reason I did not take advantage of it was to see the out come of this very issue. Oh well, I guess I will focus more attention to playing the bass guitar instead of trying for the 200 DXCC mixed award.....it just wont have the same meaning anymore. Right or wrong my true fellings are that what I have has been cheaped abit. I still love ham radio, just not the same. -KK7AC
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by W5AU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Dumb Down to Zero has begun !

Quote from W5LSD:

Most folks seem to favor tougher written
exams. And it's a fact that the majority of ARRL
members dont favor any flavor of codeLESS
HF license. Looks like the ARRL favors
revenue as it dis-assembles a formerly
proud hobby.
It's like thermal runaway ....
the dumber it gets, the faster it gets dumber !
And YOU can be a proud ARRL member and help the
dream come true !!

------------

I wont be renewing my ARRL Membership. They
refuse to listen to the members. What kind of organization is this. When the majority of the
members say NO to NoCode, and they just plow
right on in there like nothing has been said.
This could very well be the end of the ARRL.


 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by WB4QNG on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I like it. Would make a few changes like I have stated on another most. Main thing I would make it where you would have to keep this new Novice ticket 6 months to a year before you upgrade or take a general course in Ham radio. I hope the FCC gets on this soon so we can quit fighting over code or no code
Terry
WB4QNG
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KA4KOE on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
They didn't waste anytime, did they? Notice the date of this announcement was the same day they held their election for league President.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4RQ on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
What I don't understand is why this proposal seems to be OK with most who have posted here. Many of those in favor of this proposal were vehemently opposed to granting no-coders a free ride on HF. At least they indicated this on other threads. Now, because the ARRL is calling for keeping Element 1 testing for Extra, it seems to be OK to trash the General. something is wrong here. No, its not OK to trash the General. I'm glad at least some hams feel the same way I do. I'd hate to think I'm alone on this issue. Even if I was, I refuse to follow the masses. I feel strongly on this issue, and I refuse to capitulate. Ham radio has been on a downward spiral for a long time now. Maybe when the rest of HF is a carbon copy of 11 meters, everyone will wake up - when its too late.

Talk about a slap in the face? Talk about a betrayal? The ARRL is looking to hand no-code Technicians a free upgrade to General. It is obvious that the ARRL sees the future of ham radio with the no-coders, and is kicking the rest of us where we sit. Members = Money. Money talks. B***S*** walks. My ARRL membership expires this August. I will give serious thought to this issue at renewal time. After this, all the ARRL means to me is QST and the "members only" TIS pages on their web site. I don't need the propagation report and the ARRL Letter e-mailed to me. That stuff is published right here on e-Ham. I can think of loads of things I can do with $39 a year. To say I'm "up in arms" is putting it mildly.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by N7UQA on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For crying out loud guys, I think this is an exelent proposal. I worked my way up through the ranks of Novice, Tech, General, Advanced and Extra and had done the 5,13 and 20 wpm code tests. I think it provides a good balance between the ranks and still includes a code test for the extra. As long as they follow the rules I have no problem with this. Besides, it would be nice to get a little more breathing room on the phone bands.

If all you are going to do is bitch about it, cancel your ARRL subscription, turn in your licence for cancelation and sell all your ham gear. The ARRL does alot for us hams, I don't always agree with the ARRL but they are the only game in town. Everything else is just a magazine subscription..



Craig - N7UQA
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by WS4Y on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Sad day!
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KA4KOE on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
UQA:

I may have to be a bitch about it, to quote you.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by LNXAUTHOR on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
- i'm not sure how to word this, but perhaps someone can chime in here with an observation (keep in mind that i'm a relatively new ham):

- is something horribly wrong with the ARRL? or is this normative behavior?

- IOW, is the ARRL an organization run by constituents and members, or is it an organization run by an 'inside' circle and outside interests?

- as a member, i have not been asked my opinion... i guess i should have been more proactive on my feelings? this is a good lesson for me...

- note that i'm not being publically pro or con regarding the ARRL's proposal here, just curious...

- i welcome any long-time ARRL members for a historical view on how the organization works...
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by K4FAU on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is great ...

but what really gets me -- why is it that no one complained that the rest of the world, 31 countries to date, has dropped their code requirement and no one complains...

but we want to stop our own American brotheren from getting on the air who doesn't want to learn another mode....

how ironic...

I say bring on the fresh blood -- maybe the average age of the HF'rs will drop below 70 .. or maybe the IQ raise above 70...haha

Brian
Amateur Extra
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KA4KOE on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
http://www.eham.net/articles/6468

Read my article earlier this year under the above URL.
Then tell me what you think.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by W3DCG on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
15-20 wpm for the most privileged class of hams in the US, was certainly a long-shot, over-zealous fantasy requiring larger spheres than I figured we'd have.
I thought, as likely as taxes being lowered. Once ratified, levied, however one cares to call it, permanence seems to be the naked truth. As well, the problem of what to do with the extraordinarily large numbers of existing 5wpm Extras, would likely be an administrative hassle of night terror proportion. After all, we are engaged in a war against terror.

Minimally, the proposal acknowledges the relevence of CW by keeping it in the Rule book. It helps us to know where we've been to better appreciate where we are, where we're headed.

All wishful thinking aside, it seems to me this proposal is pragmatic, reasonable, and sane.
Mild surprise.

 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by W2MC on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting, KF7Z..........

Basically, you are saying:
"I'll take the free ride on the lower code speed, yet no one else should get a 'goodie'."

I WAS one of those who was "...an ass and pass your 20wpm code test.". I passed the silly thing, even when I didn't 'have to'...the rules were going to change, anyway (I am one of the last 'fast-code' Extras)....And guess what? I now have "bragging rights".....but I still dislike CW. I can still copy CW...not at 20 anymore, tho its still 'in there'. But I don't like it, I generally don't use it, and I could never understand the purpose of beating everyone over the head with CW. What was to be gained?

Now.....I can say I did it. But now everyone who follows along behind me must do everything exactly the same way I did?

That's nonsense.

Why were we testing for 5, 13, and 20 wpm CW in the first place? Why all this importance placed in CW? What was the value added for all that effort? Its only a operating mode....it won't kill you, like touching the HV line in a tube amplifier, for example. How many questions relate to stuff like that?

(And yes, it was effort. It took me almost two years to build up to that speed. And don't give me that "It builds character" crap. I've built enough already. If you wanna "build character" with something meaningful and Ham Radio related, go get an engineering degree.)


Jon
W2MC
BSEE '85
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4RQ on January 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"- as a member, i have not been asked my opinion... i guess i should have been more proactive on my feelings? this is a good lesson for me..."

As a member, I have not been asked my opinion either. I WAS proactive on my feelings. I made my feelings known to my ARRL director via e-mail twice. Neither time did I get a reply from him.

This should have been put to a referendum among the membership.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4DG on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
As I expected, lots of people would pan the ARRL over this.

I think the ARRL has some good ideas. I think that simply keeping the current license system in place but eliminating the 5 wpm exam completely would have been best. But the ARRL knew that it couldn't please everybody and decided to draft a compromise that would address everyone's concerns.

Even though I think the Morse Code testing is completely unnecessary, I'm not about to drop out of the ARRL over this.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by N7UQA on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Alot of the complaining here is the same tired old crap that I heard when the No-code Tec came out. Here come the CB'ers to 2 meters I heard. Well, in all honesty back before I got my licence I listened to 75,40 and 20 meters, and you know what I heard? General, Advanced and Extras jamming nets, playing music and sound effects burping and making racist and unwanted remarks. And all these guys took the test the old way. Obviously, the code and "harder" written exams didn't stop them.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by K4FAU on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Actually I am a member of the ARRL, and Amateur Extra that got his license when the code was 20, and fully support the ARRL on this --

more poeple means more DX -- this give me an oppurtunity to talk and work more people -- thats why I am in this hobby... I have no idea why some of you are ...

too many think that these new guys are taking something away -- they are not -- they are adding ...

but to all of you that don't like it -- I strongly suggest that you cancel your ARRL memebership.. right now .. stop bitching about it .. do something .. QUIT ... and sell all of your gear cause life as you know it is over apparently --

by the way -- I'm looking for a new ICOM HF so when you panty waist whiners quit let me know and I will buy your equipment before one of the new guys just knocks you down and takes it...

aaaghhhhh!!!!
 
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by W5AU on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I just talked to a Lifetime Member who is seriously
thinking about resigning from the ARRL. Boy, he is
some upset !!!

 
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by KG6GMT on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Good for the ARRL ! Good plan and YES as a member I was asked in a pole about my feeling about this Proposel. Now like others here have said lets hope this gets done soon then we can work on the real problem BPL. Have fun contesting this weekend
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by K3UD on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ok,

What kind of proposal could the ARRL have come up with given the likely scenario of the FCC, on its own, dropping the code as a requirement for HF access? Who would it please? Who should it please?

Anything over 5 WPM would have been unlikely as the FCC probably does not want a hassle over medical waivers. Keeping 5WPM for the Extra (if it actually happens) needs to be looked at as a victory. I am all for toughening up the written exams and I hope that the VECs actually look to do this, but again, I don't think it will happen.

There are a lot of hams here and in other forums acting out Don Quixote and on a seemingly impossible quest of time travel to the past when everything was OK in the realm of Amateur Radio. Many OFs (myself included) feel that some of the best times in Amateur Radio were in the 50s and 60s.

However there were those who thought it was the worst of times.. so much so that privileges were taken away from those who had earned them, sacrificed at the altar of good operating practice, code use, technical expertise, appliance operators, and home brewing.

The ARRL was hurt by incentive licensing back then and EVERY THING that has been done since then have been attempts to reverse the impact. Now the ARRL could be seriously hurt again, at a critical time when Amateur Radio is facing a lot of threats to its viability. History repeats, the lesson will be repeated until learned, and there is no time machine.

The FCC still might toss all of this out and do what it wants... and what it seems to want is less regulation, less records to keep and maybe to turn over licensing, privilege allocations, classes of license to a third party, possibly private sector. Also, there have been many proposals to the FCC, some very well crafted which might get some attention. As a great Yankee catcher once said... "It Ain't Over Til It's Over".

While I, along with many others have some reservations about what the ARRL will be proposing, It just might be the best possible outcome we could have hoped for. I renewed my membership last month and intend to do so as long as I am able.

73
George
K3UD
 
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by W5EEX on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't understand the comments here by ARRL members who say they weren't given a say in this matter.
There were publicized online feedback "forums" at the ARRL Division level....and it seemed to me there was plenty of notice given about when the collection of feedback started and ended. I filed my comments....either these people were not paying attention, or they were waiting for the request-for personal-opinion letter to show up in the mailbox from ARRL. If you didn't post your feedback...don't complain.....it seems to me the ARRL did listen to the feedback and came up with a proposal to meet as many suggestions as was possible. Let's hope now that the FCC will listen to ARRL.
73
 
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by KC0JTC on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This was no easy decision for ARRL leadership. They knew whatever decision they came up with, a portion of the ARRL membership would be upset and angry. About a week before the meeting ARRL members were solicited for comment on this issue. The midwest division at one point had about 600 response to the request with 357 to continue testing, 208 to delete, and 57 to continue testing for extras only. It appears that the organization has tried to appease both interests.

1. They recognized that existing extra licensed amateurs did not want the code requirement dropped. The organization chose to maintain code as a requirement to gain licensure and be able to operate in the extra portion of the band.

2. The ARRL also recognized that the membership that did not hold extra licenses, were not supportive of continued morse testing. And as a result they chose to eliminate the code from testing for those operating privileges.

3. This appears reasonable and fair given the clearly defined lines that were drawn. The ARRL may have seen the handwriting on the wall and recongnized that the FCC would not accept continued morse testing as a requirement for operation in the HF bands. This may have been a compromise that they think that the FCC will swallow.

4. They also decided to address the band plan and open up more freguency for phone on some of the bands for those with general privileges.

5. They took on a dificult and unpopular task and should be commended for there efforts.

6. It will be interesting to see how soon the FCC responds to this and if they will accept these suggested changes completely or in part. The FCC may balk at continued morse testing for extra privileges as well. Time will tell.
 
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by KN4AQ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This sounds like a reasonable compromise to me. There are a thousand different ways it could be set up, and I'd do it differently, but I can stand behind the ARRL on this. Good job, guys!

As an instructor, I know that getting into ham radio isn't easy for those with no technical background. And getting the license isn't the end of learning, it's the beginning.

I'm a little concerned that current Techs will get tossed into HF little formal education. As usual, though, it will be up to those of us who have been around a while to help them learn the ropes.

Over the years, we've seen several attempts at reviving the Novice. 220 MHz and 10 meters didn't do it. Too little, too late. This just might. The Tech has been an awkward entry-level license. I'll be happy to teach a "full-spectrum" course again.

I do think the spectrum refarming needs more work. I'm not sure I'd lump it in with the license changes. We're about to have a "digital" revolution, with HF digital signals carrying voice, text, image. In interesting note in the article on the AOR digital adapter in QST: digital voice is legal on the phone bands, but text - in the same digital signal - isn't. The rules are behind the curve, and need a lot more thought.

73,
Gary KN4AQ
 
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by N5QXP on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let's see if I've got this right. By throwing open the barn doors, Extras get 50 and Generals get an additional 150 khz?

And I suppose we should be grateful, huh?

 
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by K4JSR on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
At least this finally ends the bitching about Incentive Licensing! Let's see if we can make this
angst grow and continue for some 30 odd years or so.
Cal K4JSR
 
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by NE0P on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If I was a novice, I would be extremely pissed. Lets see, this proposal takes away the 23cm band from me, and makes me lower power on 10 meters. That is absolutely stupid. Most radios today do 100 watts out of the box on HF and 6, and 50 or so on VHF. So why not let Novices run the full 100 on 10 and 6? How is 10 meters any different than 15 meters?

Also, under this proposal, we give a bunch of CW privledges to people who refuse to learn CW?? The general license, if it carries no CW test, should give maybe 50 khz on each band for CW, tops.

 
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by KG4PFO on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I like it........thats all I got to say


KG4PFO
(TECH)
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KF4MKJ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
All right more activity on 15 meters!! A huge band with nearly no avtivity except on contest weekends. We get more phone space on 40 meters!! Only downside I see here is giving Tech and Tech plus General priviledges without the general test. They should have been lumped in the novices. Otherwise this seems like an excellent idea to me. An entry license with HF phone priviledges spread around enough so that they can get a taste of more than repeater operation.

73 KF4MKJ
 
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by AE6IP on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> They didn't waste anytime, did they?

They wasted nearly a year

> Notice the date of this announcement was the same
> day they held their election for league President.

It was the annual ARRL Board of Directors meeting. The meeting is the only place where ARRL sets its policy on issues this touchy. They could have done the same thing last July, but for various reasons weren't yet ready to.
 
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by OBSERVER11 on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
TWO problems, one bad, the other unforgivable...

100w on HF is BAD, should be 10 or 20 watts - max.

GIVING General privledges to some of the no-code techs that hang out on this site is unforgivable.
 
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by KC0ARF on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I like it.

I am surprised that the Techs (which I am) would not need to pass General Written (which I have done 3 times) in order to be upgraded. I am code-untalented, and while I do not seek erasure of the code subbands, I feel that morse code testing is not a proper license criteria.

Morse Code does not define the quality of an operator. It does not define the character of an individual's intellect, nor does it make one person any better than another. Morse Code is a communications method: some have the gift, others like me do not.

I have tried the code test 5 times in my life; I will not make a 6th attempt. I just don't get it. I'll also admit that I am not desparate to pass it either: it is not a surivial skill (unlike CPR or first aid-- do you grumpy hams have certs in those?) I'll be dead honest here: I don't care to invest the time to learn a mode I will not use. I devote X amount of time to my hobbies, including ham radio. Now, if Morse was in my Professional field, I would certainly chase it down. But this is a Hobby, and I have the luxury of saying no.

Do I think the band will fall apart, and the world will end? Nope. HF requires antenna systems, and some serious outlay of equipment funding. There are not too many multi-band antennas out there that are plug and go. If you don't tune the antenna properly, and you melt down the finals in the radio, that operator will be off in a hurry with broken parts.

As I sit at my desk and think about all the no-code stuff wired up on the shelf (yeah, the IRLP node, the 1.2 GHz data network, the 2m packet system, the APRS computer, the cross-band repeater, the HF radio listening to 40 meters, and that crystal radio set), I'd like to thank the ARRL for proposing the elimination of the code mandate. When this thing is passed, I'll be able to think about dipole antennas, antenna tuners, baluns, and QSL card design. Be able to talk more than on 6m that I listen to weekly for activity.

I hope some of the hams who have been on the bands will be around to talk about propogation, and suggest different methods. We will have intelligent discussions, and share the goodwill among amateurs. You can even ask me computer questions, and I'll answer as best as I can (I am a network administrator).

All of this is possible because WRC (and hopefully the FCC) recognize that Morse Code is a mode, and not a test for intellgence.

Christian
 
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by K4SCH on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Its a great idea!

Let the battle begin!!

73 de K4SCH
 
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by W8VOM on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Talk about a slap in the face? Talk about a betrayal? The ARRL is looking to hand no-code Technicians a free upgrade to General. It is obvious that the ARRL sees the future of ham radio with the no-coders, and is kicking the rest of us where we sit. Members = Money. Money talks. B***S*** walks. My ARRL membership expires this August. I will give serious thought to this issue at renewal time. After this, all the ARRL means to me is QST and the "members only" TIS pages on their web site. I don't need the propagation report and the ARRL Letter e-mailed to me. That stuff is published right here on e-Ham. I can think of loads of things I can do with $39 a year. To say I'm "up in arms" is putting it mildly."

Amen!!! W8VOM
 
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by KT0DD on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I Don't agree with the new proposal, but in reality, there's nothing I can do to change things. The majority will get their way, and since "Dumbing Down" is now the "American Way", we know who the majority is.

As I have read somewhere else on here, any society that can rationalize & justify perversion, is capable of anything. I enjoy the hobby and will continue to do so. However, I will be VERY selective with whom I communicate with, and where I operate. 73.
 
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by K8FFO on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I understand that the number of hams is on the decline, but giving licenses away is not the answer. What ever happened to taking pride in individual achievement by working hard to get your license? Is this a contest to see how many licensed hams we can get? Has someone set a quota for the number of licensed hams that we must have? If we had a shortage of doctors or pilots would we lower the standard so that we could get more? I don't think so.
 
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by KX8N on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"The majority will get their way"

Isn't that what is supposed to happen?
 
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by KB3JZG on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Open Letter to the ARRL Directors and Presidents

The following letter I have sent myself to ALL the directors and all of the Presidents ( seems to be a lot of the ) in the ARRL, and to several web sites, and ham radio groups.

Hello,
To all of the directors and to the Presidents of the ARRL.
You have got to be kidding about the no code hf license. I havent been in ham radio long enough to understand everything you do, but this is one I think you are making a big mistake on. There is no reason I can think of to give someone an HF license without some kind of code requirement. Think about the reasons for learing it, and what would be even one reason not to. I thought the purpose of learning code, and your contests were to produce better radio amateurs, but in doing so you are creating a monster. What will happen when the only way to communicate will be with using code, and there is no amateur qualified to do so? Noise on the band, static, arual propagation, are you saying that code isnt needed anymore? Is the reason you are giving up the store is in order to create many new memebers for the ARRL? Is the ARRL in monerary trouble that this would cause you to do this?If this is the direction the ARRL is taking then I dont think I need to be associtated with them anymore.

My only hope now is that every amateur radio operator contacts everyone of you and lets you know there honest opinion on this subject.

Robert M. Jaworski
KB3JZG
 
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by NV7E on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KBØRE is not a tech callsign. Also, it is not in the FCC database.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by KB9YUR on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Is that a light I see at the end of the tunnel ?!?

 
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by KK9H on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This proposal basically looks fine, but I think the lower edge of the Extra SSB sub-bands should be 3.700 and 7.100 on 80 and 40 meters and make them 50 KHz wide. In addition, I would recommend that the maximum output power be 100 watts on all the Novice bands. It is silly to have a 50 watt limit on 10 and 6 meters since most rigs today run at 100 watts out on these bands. There is no need to have people remember to turn down their power levels on these bands.
 
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by WI0T on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm an ARRL member, Passed the 20 wpm code and have
held Novice-General-Advanced and now the Extra class ticket.

I support this move. Refarming of the Novice bands is
sorely needed. CW is not a barrier for good operators,
as demonstrated nightly on 75 meters. Simplification
of the license classes is also overdue.

Ham radio will survive. It will change, like everything
else does, but it will survive.

73 to all,

Rod
WI0T
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by N4BRJ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I took Robert's (KB3JZG) suggestion and "My only hope now is that every amateur radio operator contacts everyone of you and lets you know there honest opinion on this subject."



Good Morning,
I just wanted to drop a quick note congratulating you on the new ARRL licensing proposal. This proposal has my full support.
I realize the ARRL will probably catch a lot of heat about this but remember, unhappy people are usually the loudest. There are a lot of us out there who think this is a great way to get more people involved in the hobby in addition to keeping others active.
New blood is definitely needed as I feel the hobby has been hi-jacked by the "Geritol Jet Set" and left to stagnate.
Again, good job and continued success.

Jonathan Baldwin
N4BRJ
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KA4KOE on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> They didn't waste anytime, did they?

"They wasted nearly a year"

> Notice the date of this announcement was the same
> day they held their election for league President.

"It was the annual ARRL Board of Directors meeting. The meeting is the only place where ARRL sets its policy on issues this touchy. They could have done the same thing last July, but for various reasons weren't yet ready to."

There Marty! Now I'm quoting you, quoting me.

Please voice your thoughts on this inflammatory issue so we can know where you stand.
 
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by W9THD on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Limited HF access for new novice class .... good.

Retaining CW testing for Extra class.... very good.

Upgrading existing techs to general without additional testing.... BAD...VERY VERY BAD !!!

de Tim
W9THD
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KA4KOE on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
BYE BYE ARRL. This puts them in the same league as Sarnoff, that is, bite the hands that feed you.

No more $39 from me every year.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by WD8WV on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
My membership to the League expires the end of February. I have not renewed pending the outcome of their meeting this past weekend. At this time I still am undecided whether to renew or not.

I think the League is heading in the right direction, but I have to agree with some of my Amateur brothers here, I think that the Technician class should be put in with the Novice class as entry level into HF. The Technician Plus has passed a 5 wpm code and therefore should be put in with the General class. Those who took the 5 wpm code and Technician theory also took the Novice theory at that time when we had 6 classes of licenses. So it would seem right to grandfather them into General. The Technician only took the Technician theory and Novice theory with no code at all.

By looking at the numbers, the Technician class still out numbers most of all other classes of license. I feel that is why the League included them in the General category instead of the Novice. The League probably thinks that this will boost their memberships because they were at the bat for the Technician class.

I will support the League on this idea, but I am not 100% on the layout. I am still undecided about renewing my membership to the League. At least the code remains for now. The Leagues proposal should end all debates about the code vs no-code. The Tech's get their way, HF without code and the rest of us get our way, keep the code. The only ones who really have the gripe now is the General class. All the work they had to do to get their General license, written exams and cw, either 13 wpm or 5 wpm. Now the Leage says just take the required written exams and you are a General.

Just my two cents worth.

Juddie WD8WV
http://www.qsl.net/wd8wv
 
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by WA2JJH on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I can see it going one of two ways.

1)RF apocolypse-1.8-30MHZ CB! What is to prevent these novices from not buying Amplifiers, going out of their
part of the voice band.
Freebanders will flood the new no code, KnoW nothing test!

Hey folks, it is all about the money! Sell more rigs!

HOWEVER WE CAN HAVE AN ULTRA WIN-WIN SITUATION!

Remember the OLD DAYS. The rig makers made Novice only
rigs.

The rig makers can make a whole series of ultra cheap, ultra fool proof NOVICE RIGS.

The rigs will be hard CPU programmed! The rigs will not be able to transmit where the novices should not be

Upon upgrade, Only then the new ham can buy a regular
Ham rig. All seqments not locked out.

Perhaps this will give Ham Radio the new blood. NCT's can stop complaining.

Remember.......It is ALWAYS about the money!!!!!!

 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by W0QL on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hooray for the ARRL! I believe this will breathe some desparately needed new life into our hobby. It must have taken a lot for a conservative organization like the ARRL to make this move and my hat goes off to them. If we want to stop the lure of computers from taking away our young potential hams, we need to make the barriers to entry no higher than they are for getting into computers. This is a great first step. What could be next? Dell selling software defined ham radios? Boggles the mind, doesn't it. Congratulations to the ARRL.
 
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by WA2JJH on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ARRL hams used to bust my chops for being A QUARTER
CENTURY JUST SAY NO TO ARRL MEMBERSHIP HAM.

Thats right folks refused to join the ARRL for over a quarter century! I see I was proven RIGHT!!!

 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by N5AMZ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I passed the code requirement in '77 and was a novice WD6FVS, as soon as I received my "ticket" I went to the FCC office and took my tech exam and became N5AMZ. In 2001 I was "grandfathered" a General. I am in favor of keeping the code for HF. I am in favor of "grandfathering" the Advanced to Extra. I am NOT in favor of HF for techs who have not passed element 3 and 1. The ARRL has adopted "CQ" magazines support for NO Code and their members feel the same way most here feel for no code.

Yes I'm a Life Member now K0AMZ
 
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by K0RFD on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with just about everything in the ARRL's proposal EXCEPT:

The Element 2 and Element 3 theory exams cover different aspects of Amateur Radio. They are not equivalent. Technicians should not be upgraded to General without passing Element 3. If the ARRL proposal is adopted by the FCC, a whole host of new upgraded ex-Techs won't even be required to know the frequency limits of the HF bands or how ionospheric propagation works. It's a bad idea.

Code schmode. I have no problem with code-free Generals. I do, however, have a problem with knowledge-free Generals.
 
ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free  
by WA2DTW on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The no-code novice might not be such a terrible thing if it increases activity on now-unused parts of the bands. However, the NO-CODE GENERAL is QUITE ANOTHER STORY! A reasonable compromise could be to keep the 5 WPM code requirement (a very easy one) for the general license.
I feel that the next step could be elimination of CW subbands altogether.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KB3HJK on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Absolutly correct. I am a current Technician, and DO NOT wish to be handed an upgrade. I want the satisfaction of passing the tests and earning my General. They should at least keep the theory test. Contrary to what some have said, it does contain many questions specific to HF operating, which do not appear on the the Element 2 test. Make the code Extra only, if necessary, but for God's sake do not upgrade Techs automatically!

Like many associations and organizations, the ARRL needs members. This will bring in a surge of new Hams, many of whom will join the ARRL. It strikes me as a self serving proposal for the ARRL.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4RQ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Come one, come all! CBers, freebanders and anyone who's living and breathing - anyone who has the mental capacity to key a microphone and say DUH! Freebanders can now become legal hams, and bring with them a 40/s9 noise level once the next cycle is in full swing. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Breaker two-zero meters. Breaker two-zero meters. Dis be da worldwide Ratchetjaw Base station a breakin' and a stoodin' by! Ten-four dare, good buddy. You be wall to wall. Tree-top tall! Must be one o' dumb dare base stations a usin' one o' dumb dare leenyor amplificators. RF safety? Duh, wotz dat?
 
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by K2IY on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This license structure will maintain or increase the sales of amateur gear, the most important force which keeps HR going.

The new classes do not allow access to 20 mtrs or the WARC bands, preserving them for experienced ops.

New license allows for entry into hobby for people who use HR as a vehicle for other interests like emergency comm. i.e. community watch groups etc.
 
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by KC2MFW on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm a Tech class and I'm not concerned about the no-code requirement.But I do believe that a test for General class should be required because more knowledge is required to operate on HF.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4RQ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Posted by by K2IY on January 20, 2004:
"The new classes do not allow access to 20 mtrs or the WARC bands, preserving them for experienced ops."

Its not the new proposed Novice license that most of us have a problem with. Its the automatic upgrade from codeless Technician to General that we're all up in arms over. These codeless Techs would automatically be upgraded to Generals, and yes, they would have access to 20m and the WARC bands. This proposal is opening the floodgates and allowing codeless access to all of HF except for the Extra sub bands.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by KB3HJK on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The more I think about this, the more outraged I am becoming. What on earth are they thinking. VHF knowledge is not HF knowledge. This is simply an awful, self serving stance that should be resisted vigorously by anybody in amateur radio with a shred of dignity.

Propagation? What's that?

I called CQ but didn't here the courtesy tone.
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by W1AI on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> This proposal is opening the floodgates and allowing codeless access to all of HF except for the Extra sub bands.

No-code access to HF is fine with me. It's no-knoweldge access that worries me!
 
RE: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-  
by AG4RQ on January 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
With all the free give-aways that this proposal is offering, do you all notice that nothing is being proposed to raise the bar on the technical end? I am not at all for eliminating Element 1 testing for either General or Extra, but if they want to drop Element 1 testing for General, don't grandfather anyone, and at least toughen up the General exam and eliminate published question pools. People should be made to work for their tickets. This is becoming a free-f