I'm a Rover!
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Steve Katz, WB2WIK/6
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February 19, 2004
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I’m a Rover
...and rarely bark or chew the furniture.
By Steve Katz, WB2WIK/6
Background
It started when on December 27th, just two days after Christmas, I received a call from ham radio wizard and 25 year-long friend Wayne Overbeck, N6NB, asking if I could “come out and play.” Play radio, that is.
Wayne and I have known each other since 1979, when we met back in New Jersey, and we’ve kept in frequent touch. Since we now live about seventy miles apart, we don’t see each other all that often, but our meetings are always interesting. This was going to be one of the more interesting meetings.
It seems that having done about everything there is to do in ham radio, from moonbounce to 160 meter DXing, to working contests from most States and a few countries, to setting up mobile, kilowatt-level multiband stations and driving them thousands of miles, to setting up a mountaintop ham station in an isolated area of southern California simply to enjoy the pleasure of operating without local QRN, QRM or neighbors – to you name it – Wayne recently became interested in VHF-UHF “Roving.” Roving is a very active sport in VHF-UHF-Microwaves, and a vital part of most contesting on these shortest wavelengths of all amateur bands. It involves installing operational stations in driving vehicles, and driving the stations to various locations to contact other stations either doing the same thing, or stations operating from fixed home or portable locations (doesn’t matter), to see how exhausted and broke you can become from such activity. (Activity = “foolishness” for most who have no interest in this or have never experienced it.)
This is a shot of Wayne, N6NB (left) and me, taken by John, N6MU prior to launching our “ring around the rosy” escapade of December 28th, 2003.
Never one to do anything small-scale, Wayne put together a ten-band VHF-UHF-Microwave Rover station in his van, equipping the vehicle with transceivers, five UHF-SHF transverters, ten permanently mounted antennas with two rotors, plus one removable tall mast for 6m/2m beams on another rotor, kilowatt amplifiers for 50 and 144 MHz, a gasoline power generator, DC to AC power inverter to operate rotors without the generator, driving positions for two, operating position for one, and sleeping provisions for one or two. This rolling antenna farm is more extensive, and better, than what many amateurs have at home – or ever will have at home.
He started using this station in January 2003 (the ARRL VHF Sweepstakes) with some success as a single Rover (meaning, working and “roving” alone), after driving the 10-band station to the East Coast, a little 6500 mile round-trip. Wayne then built a second 10-band rolling VHF-UHF-SHF station into an SUV in time for the ARRL September VHF QSO Party. This time, his “Rover” partner, in the second vehicle, was John, N6MU. The two of them, plus a non-ham named Rob who’s a sports rally driver and could contribute some fancy driving skills to the party, “roved” to many grids in California in the September contest and achieved scores of more than 300,000 points each: Not a small feat for any VHF contest, and a rather amazing one for a Rover.
So much for background. By the way, if you’d like to view what Wayne and John did in the September 2003 contest, a lot of that is on Wayne’s website,
http://www.n6nb.com
The wind-up, and the pitch
I agreed to be part of an experiment to see what would happen if not two, but three similarly-equipped Rovers drove in circles to work each other from various grids. Of course this could be done, but Wayne wanted to determine how much additional time it takes “per grid intersection” or “per 4-grid convergence” (where four grid squares come together) for not two, but three rolling stations to work each other from every possible combination of grids on all ten bands. Silly me, I thought this would be easy.
When I rolled up to Wayne’s house on Sunday morning, December 28th, what I saw was astonishing: Three vehicles, including one van and two SUVs, equipped with more than thirty antennas (many rotary gain antennas, complete with rotors) for ten bands, were calmly parked in his driveway. Doesn’t everybody have this stuff? Wayne was nowhere to be seen. It turns out he was in the shower, inside the house, having just awakened a few minutes earlier – because he was up the entire night before re-wiring and re-configuring the gear in the van. -- Typical Wayne stuff.
The Explorer, Rodeo and van neatly lined up in the N6NB driveway, ready for a 10-band Chinese Fire Drill.
I immediately begged for the keys to the locked vehicles, so I could take my own tour of the gear stacked up inside each. What I found was amazing: Ten bands, 50 MHz through 10.368 GHz, using various types of equipment from different generations, all set up and operational in each vehicle. The van, being the largest vehicle, has a “radio shack” setup midships, with two transceivers, three rotor controls, and five UHF-SHF transverters. The transceivers are from Yaesu, an FT-736R set up for 144/222/432/1296 MHz, and an FT-100D set up for 50 MHz and to use as a tunable I.F. for the transverters operating on 902, 2.3 GHz, 3.4 GHz, 5.7 GHz and 10.3 GHz. Those items have feedlines exiting the rear of the van and attached to rooftop antennas for all ten bands, with rotary gain antennas for most. The van also has sleeping accommodations and will accept a gasoline generator and the kilowatt amplifiers for various bands when working a real contest; but the generator and amps were left in Wayne’s garage for our local outing.
The midships van operating position with FT-736R (4-bands), FT100D (50 MHz, plus 144 MHz IF for five transverters) and three Yaesu rotor controls.
The two SUVs sport operating positions that are also the “driver’s seat” in each, so the driver/operator need never move from the driving position to operate ten bands’ worth of gear. In the Ford Explorer is an Icom IC-706MK2G set up to operate 50 MHz as well as be the tunable I.F. stage for transverters on 902 MHz, 2.3 GHz and the “higher bands;” as well as an Icom IC-910H set up for 144-432-1296 MHz, and a Midland 13-513 25W FM transceiver for 222 MHz. Band changing involves picking up a different microphone, switching the transverter selector switches (a DC switch for the relay/PTT line and an RF switch for the 144 MHz I.F. connection), and “tuning around” to find the station for contacts on the bands above 902 MHz, since the transverter local oscillators aren’t all that stable. I know this well, since I became the driver/operator of this contraption.
The front-seat shack of N6NB Rover #3, inside the Isuzu Rodeo: A mix of gear, including SSB Electronic and Down East Microwave UHF-SHF transverters, Icom and Yaesu transceivers, and Yaesu rotor control.
The latest addition to the N6NB three-vehicle Rover system is one Wayne just picked up on a trip to the east coast last summer, and it’s an Isuzu Rodeo SUV that is now equipped for ten bands, with ten antennas, as well. This one uses a different mix of equipment, but performs the same functions as the stations in the Explorer. You can see the “coax entry point” for the Rodeo, which is representative of all three vehicles, below:
Feedlines for ten antennas, as well as rotor control cable, enter the passenger side window of the Rodeo. It’s actually a pretty neat setup.
With three vehicles equipped for 10-band roving, one might ask, “Where’s the family car?” To that, I have no answer. However, despite the rather permanent-looking station setups, I’ve seen Wayne drive the Explorer without any of this stuff installed, and without any of the antennas mounted, so I believe that is considered the “family car.” Complete with antenna rotor. (Wayne has since advised either of the SUVs can be converted to “family car” in less than one hour; once feedlines are disconnected, the antenna systems lift off the roof and the console lifts out of the vehicle with most of the gear still in place.)
I’d never even attempted to rove on one band before, let alone ten, so this was right up my alley. As I said to Wayne, “You’ve got me interested, now. Just add ‘this could easily kill you’ and you know I’m right there.” Nobody loves a challenge more than I do, except possibly Wayne. I said I’d be glad to drive the third station, at least for this test.
The lay of the land
“How many points can you make, doing this roving thing, anyhow?” I naively asked Wayne. “I think one million points or more is possible, if we can get to enough grids, just working each other and without making a single other contact with outside stations” was the reply. (See Note 1.) -- A million points? Really? I used to bust my buns in the January VHF Sweepstakes many years ago, repeatedly, to score a fraction of that from home, using kilowatts on several bands and large antennas on towers.
Then, Wayne reminded me that every time a Rover relocates to a new grid, he can work the same stations he’d already worked, again. And there are numerous four-grid convergences reasonably close to Interstate 5, which runs the entire length of California and which is all usually navigable 365 days a year, unlike the roads elsewhere in the country. Three Rovers “circling” a 4-grid convergence, and working only each other in every possible grid and band combination would result in a walloping 58,880 points: 32 contacts per band, at a total of 40 grid multipliers, using the “points per QSO” formula allowed by the ARRL for this contest yields 1,472 QSO points x 40 grids = 58,880. That’s the points each Rover would score from a single 4-grid convergence, if contacts are made successfully on all ten bands for each of us.
Now, stretch this to the max. If we could cross a few 2-grid borders and reach four 4-grid convergences, a million points seemed possible. But it’s a lot of driving, and a lot of very fast operating. No time to dawdle around smelling the roses. It’s park, make 20 contacts, roll a while, park, make 20 contacts, roll a while, park, make 20 contacts... with a lot of relocations at each convergence. Many convergences are in the middle of nowhere, and the nearest roads might be too far to easily “circle the wagons” to pull this off.
Wayne leaves little to chance, though, and had already mapped out or personally visited all the grid convergences planned. Unfortunately, while some of the grids we’d need to visit to realize the “million point dream” are pretty rare, and thus we’d be very much in demand by other (regular contest) operators, in many cases, we’d be in horrible locations such as deep valleys between mountains, where the likelihood of actually working anybody on the bands above maybe 144 MHz could be pretty slim.
It sounds easy to park, pick up a few different microphones and throw a few switches, and make contacts quickly – and it is, for an experienced VHF contester. It isn’t for almost anyone else. Reason is all the gear is finicky; the UHF-SHF transverters drift in frequency and antenna steering is extremely critical on the higher bands, where antenna beamwidths are very narrow and path losses astronomical. On 10.3 GHz, just because you can see the other station, doesn’t mean you can work him! It’s a bit like using flashlights – or maybe closer to using LASER pointers.
To compound these problems, try driving a vehicle that’s more than ten feet tall (because of all the antennas) and cannot be parked just anywhere. Many opportunities to pull over must be passed over due to tree limbs being too low and in the way. And if you park in a place that is not truly line-of-sight to the other Rover stations, you may not know where to aim those narrow beamwidth antennas. The time left for actually making contacts in time to get roving again is about five or ten seconds per band per location, or the million-point miracle just isn’t going to happen.
For the December 28th experiment, it was too far to drive to a real 4-grid convergence, so we drove to a 4-“mini”grid convergence, instead. This is where four six-digit grid squares converge: DM13CQ, DM13CR, DM13DQ and DM13DR. There happened to be a “mini-“grid convergence in Irvine, CA, only about five miles from Wayne’s house, and that was good enough to test the plan.
“The map!” This map charts the 4-grid convergence of our trial run in Irvine, CA.
Wayne had plotted on a map exactly where the convergence was, and luckily, it’s very close to the intersection of two fairly rural roads with a traffic light but little traffic. In daylight, it wasn’t difficult to “see” from one “grid” into the next, by just pulling over and parking a couple of hundred yards apart. At night, this would have been much more of a challenge. For the real thing, we’d better bring searchlights. Of course, all the light in the world won’t solve the problem of a hill between the grids and rover stations, as on the bands above about 3 GHz even a hill is quite a major obstacle to low-powered communications. The Irvine “mini”-grid convergence was flat as a pancake.
The race is on
The race got off to a crawl, as we stopped at McDonald’s for lunch. Hey, this isn’t a real contest, so we had the time.
But when we got rolling, we had Wayne operating in the van being piloted by his non-ham friend Rob; John, N6MU piloting the Isuzu and operating its stations as well; and me piloting the Explorer and also operating, with the able assistance of John, N6QQ in the back seat who was pretty much along for the ride. I did appreciate John’s assistance in two matters, though: He knew the area better than I did, and he logged the frequency offsets of the various UHF transverters so I’d know about where to tune for Wayne and John as we jumped bands. John’s also been a ham for a zillion years, and a DXer and contester who’s operated from lots of DX locations, so his stories were enjoyable, too! Here’s a shot of N6QQ, N6MU and N6NB (left to right) ready to hit the road (I was behind the camera):
The three of us all parked in the same grid first, to work each other on all ten bands within that square, and then the race, so to speak, was on. Anybody watching us would have guessed that for sure we were all nuts, as it seemed we all drove in circles and kept parking in different combinations of vehicles per square, and this involved relocating a lot of times, but never more than half a mile. We kept in touch using 222 MHz FM as a liaison, and once we were all parked and set, Wayne said, “N6MU, N6NB, 59 DM13CQ”, to which John would reply, “N6NB, N6MU, 59 DM13CQ,” to which Wayne would reply, “WB2WIK, N6NB, 59 DM13CQ,” to which I would reply, “N6NB, WB2WIK, 59 DM13CQ,” to which John would reply, “WB2WIK, N6MU, 59 DM13CQ,” to which I would reply, “N6MU, WB2WIK, 59 DM13CQ,” and then one of us would say, “six meters,” and we’d do this all again. At the end of that set of contacts, somebody would say, “two meters,” and we’d do it all again. Then, on to “432,” then on to “902,” then on to “1296” and on and on and on. Each of us could make twenty contacts by working two other stations on ten bands before somebody had to relocate, so we could do it all again.
Sound like fun?
For me, the tricky part was remembering what the heck grid I was in each time, since for some reason there aren’t any grid square indicators alongside the roads, at intersections. I was kind of hoping there would be.
After two hours, we each had logged (well, I wasn’t actually writing any of this down, so my log was in my head) 320 QSOs in 40 “grids” (well, “mini”-grids). Here’s how the scoring goes in the January VHF Sweepstakes:
50 & 144 MHz contacts count 1 point each.
220 & 432 MHz contacts count 2 points each.
902 & 1296 MHz contacts count 4 points each.
The “higher bands” (2304 MHz and above) count 8 points each.
Thus, the 320 QSOs yield 1472 QSO points. That, times 40 grids, is 58,880 points, and this would represent each of our scores from the first “round robin.” That’s more points than many stations make in the entire contest, operating for two days straight. And we did it (or simulated doing it) without contacting anybody other than each other!
Sticky wickets
Some might say this is “cheating,” somehow, but of course it isn’t. There’s a “Rover” category in the contest, and Rovers are not directly in competition with home stations. Further, there are lots of categories in most contests, including this one: Single operator, multi-operator, different power level categories, single-band and multi-band categories. Someone who spends 363 days a year building up his VHF-UHF station might be very disappointed to be beaten out by a guy in a car with what are essentially ten mobile rigs, but he shouldn’t feel that way.
For a variety of good reasons, Wayne has equipped the van station, at least, with larger rotary antennas (including 3 elements at about 25’ on six meters) that can be erected very quickly if desired, as well as the KW amplifiers and generator, to help assure at least that rover station can easily make contacts outside the “three of us.” This will make some other hams very happy, as they’ll be able to work some new grids, and will also help justify the whole operation – not to mention help convince people we really did go to the places we say we did.
But even the other two rover stations in the SUVs can run 100W output each on 6m and 2m, and enough power on 222 and 432 MHz to make routine contacts outside “the group.” Don’t know how successful we’d be making 10.3 GHz contacts outside the group, but it will be fun to find out.
A “sticky wicket” for sure for anyone wishing to duplicate what Wayne’s done is that it takes time, technical expertise, dedication – and money. -- Quite a lot of all four, too. Considering the KW amps are homebrewed, as are the control boxes, and many of the antennas, the relay switching systems and so forth...it’s still a pretty big investment. It’s the kind of investment that most would probably spread over several years, but Wayne started in January ’03 and finished in December ’03. That’s Wayne.
You might note in the photographs that some of the antennas are unconventional looking. Wayne used a combination of loops and halos, yagis and quads, helices and horns to cover the ten bands for each vehicle. The quads and helices are all homebrew, and two of the rotary antennas are actually 3-band VHF-UHF quads Wayne built to cover 144-222-432 MHz. I know of nothing like that on the market. Maybe Wayne can recover some of his Rover expenses by going into business selling that model! He used quads rather than yagis for the homebrewed directional antennas because on the higher bands water droplets that might accumulate on them if it rains less easily detune quads. Even in California, it does rain, and mostly in the winter.
Above, you can see some of the Rover antennas, semi-permanently affixed to the SUVs; the 3-band VHF-UHF homebrew quad on the right can be seen directly above a homebrew 902 MHz quad antenna made using an interesting “boom:” A paint stirring stick from Home Depot. Wayne told me they work quite well for this application, so he returned to Home Depot’s paint department to ask if he could take several more “antenna booms – errr, paint stirrers.”
The Home Depot Special 902 MHz quad antenna. Booms free for the taking at hundreds of locations around the country!
Conclusions?
Well, the Maiden Voyage 3-rover workout did divulge a few station weaknesses, and for that we are very glad. The Explorer station I was driving had two problems, one with a very drifty L.O. in the 902 MHz transverter (it jumped 180 kHz up the band!), and one with a relay on the IC-706 that keyed with modulation when using the IC-910H at 100W on two meter SSB. That was a weird one, hope Wayne’s fixed that by now.
The van station developed a high input VSWR on one of the SHF transverters, although the rig did continue to work.
I determined personally that I wouldn’t pick an FT100D or an IC706MK2G for serious use with VHF-UHF transverters. Both rather user-unfriendly rigs that take too much fuss to make rapid changes as required when jumping bands and modes. In non-contest situations with a lot of leisure time, none of this would matter; but when you have about one second to make a band and mode change, and then have to tune around to find the other station, it does matter.
Wayne discovered that when an FT-736R “locks up” and won’t change frequency or VFOs or anything else, simply turning it off and then back on fixes it. Like re-booting a computer. Rigs sure have become complex over the years...
Slowing us down somewhat (our exercise, while consuming two hours of actually roving and operating, actually consumed 2-1/2 hours in total) were some human elements: A young lady with a nearly flat tire stopped to ask for help in this semi-rural area – we accommodated her with the loan of a cell phone, but she didn’t have a spare tire. Also, a policeman in a patrol car stopped to ask us what the heck we were doing, as he did have a report of three trucks circling the area for hours. John explained, and the cop said, “Well, you’re not doing anything wrong, so have fun!” and that was about it. But these incidents do consume precious time, and I’d hope not to have them during an actual contest.
I agreed to take part in this exercise, but didn’t plan to actually take part as a Rover in the upcoming contest. That would take three full days at least, setting up for the first location on Saturday, driving to the very final location on Sunday night about 700 miles north of here, and then taking all day Monday to drive back home again. I didn’t agree to that. But then, Wayne had to throw in, “And this could easily kill you,” and I’m mightily tempted.
The real reason for this story is to convince others, including those burdened by CC&Rs or other restrictions that make home station operation difficult, to get into “Roving!” Obviously, not many will do what Wayne’s done, but a single “rover” assembled in the family car and taken for a long spin on weekends isn’t too much and can result in an awful lot of fun.
Next time you hear “N6NB 59 CN90” and it sounds like he’s talking to himself: He’s not. Be assured there are two other guys out there, probably nearby, completing contacts in an attempt to achieve the miracle million-point score....
WB2WIK/6
Note 1. Wayne has emphasized to me on more than one occasion that he and his group definitely intend to work “other” stations outside the “rover group” discussed, and the more, the better. This is in keeping with the spirit of the contest, and will also ramp everyone’s scores higher – including those in the rover group. A serious effort will be made in all contests to make as many contacts as possible, both within and outside the rover group.
Note 2. Since this was written, Wayne’s purchased still another SUV, this one a new Subaru, and is busily equipping it for roving, as well. He’s got six bands (50 through 1296 MHz) already done, and hopes to add the remaining four microwave bands shortly! -- Anyone for a long drive?
Post Script: The “million-point miracle” did, indeed, occur. N6NB, with fellow rovers N6MU and N6MI, put on 1275 miles each during the January VHF SS (January 24-25, 2004) and all three broke 1 million points, with Wayne’s score topping the list at a staggering 1,095,480 points (since he worked the most “other” stations, with the big van station). This is about double the previous January VHF SS record, and sets the bar higher for those wishing to really compete. I’m adding this note on January 27, only a few hours after the return of the record-breaking Rovers.
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by GM7CXM on February 19, 2004
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This has left me speechless. I thought my mobile HF station was the bees knees. I now know it's not.
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by LNXAUTHOR on February 19, 2004
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- holy mackerel!
- i guess one doesn't leave any of those vehicles parked on a darkened street overnight in a bad part of town, right?
- i also wonder what the impact is on one's auto insurance and bumper-to-bumper coverage?
:-)
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by KG4WKY on February 19, 2004
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Ok, neighbor, that's just flat out inSANE!
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Where do I sign up?!?!?!?
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by W1RG on February 19, 2004
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Geez! Louise!
I can only echo the post about mobile HF and learning something new.
A really neat operation.
Gil, W1RG
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by W4MY on February 19, 2004
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I remember the front of the old handbooks had the ham radio creed. Sorta like the 10 Commandments. You know, "The radio operator is curtious..." etc.
I remember the one about "The radio operator is balanced..." I think this one tips the scale!
73 Marty W4MY
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by KG4RUL on February 19, 2004
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My setup is much more "downscale". I use a 6 Meter, PAR, Rectangular, Stressed Moxon antenna along with a 2 Meter, 5 Element Quad and a 70cm, Arrow, 7 Element, Yagi. These are attached to a mast made of four, 5 foot mast sections from RS which is bungee corded to the brush guard on the front of my Saturn VUE. Aiming is done with the old reliable "Armstrong rotator". The rig is a Kenwood TS2000X running from two trolling motor batteries. Simple, but I have worked and enjoyed three contests with this setup.
Dennis - KG4RUL
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by KA4KOE on February 19, 2004
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There isn't a fan dipole on this mobile array, so it is far from complete.
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by W3NRL on February 19, 2004
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All i can say is ooohhhhh mmmyyyy ggggooooodddd!!!!!, that is one awesome setup, very nice!!!!.
I did rover for the first time this year for the vhf/uhf contest. I had a ball i ran from fn 21 to fm29 stopping off at varies spots in the poconos mountains.
Great fun.
Great article guys!!!
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by K0BG on February 19, 2004
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Katz, I'd already figured out that you were a little off plumb, but until I read this article, I didn't know how far! I trust you had a much fun as it sounded like you did?
Alan, KØBG
PS: See you on 17.
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by ON4MGY on February 19, 2004
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I can only think : THIS IS CRAZY!! Looks like more than a lot of fun. Just unbelivable what you're doing. I'm convinced there are not many hams having as much fun with the hobby as you and the other Rover's are.
I don't even have half that setup in my base station! Very nice and interesting article.
Continue the fun and good luck
73 ON4MGY Nic
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by KB2FCV on February 19, 2004
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Wow, that's impressive! And to top that off.. not one, but 3 vehicles equipped!!
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by KC8HZM on February 19, 2004
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That is definitely very impressive! I agree that roving is a lot of fun! It is also a good idea for operators that can't set up a decent base station for what ever reason. I want to add that it doesn't take such (expensive) measures to have fun roving. On the other end of the spectrum, we had an absolute blast with a very minimal setup, and in a Festiva no less! Check out:
http://www.jeffdeheer.com/rover/
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http://www.goshen.edu/~martentb/rover/rover.html
Marten
KC8HZM/R
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by KC8HZM on February 19, 2004
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Oh, and on another note, I built the 15 element 70cm quagi antenna as designed by N6NB, a great design! Easy to duplicate and it works very well!
Marten
KC8HZM/R
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GREAT ARTICLE!
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by KA3RFE on February 19, 2004
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Man o' man! There's something magical about three vehicles with a couple hundred antennas on them.
This is the sort of article that everyone can enjoy and learn from. We need more articles like this one on eHam. Wll-written, lotsa pictures, enjoyable, techie talk without the ponderous, dry academics that only a graduate electronic engineer would understand.
Good Job!
73, Pete KA3RFE
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by AD7DB on February 19, 2004
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Wayne Overbeck is a fantastic lecturer. He has done presentations many times at ARRL conventions. Even his early adventures are incredible. His exploits have been a great inspiration to me and now I want to get into this Rover stuff too!
Dave AD7DB
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by K8SWL on February 19, 2004
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This is food for thought for those ops living in apartments or other antenna restricted area.
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by KG4IHJ on February 19, 2004
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GEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZ! I thought activating ONE rare grid was a workout. And that is only one rig/antenna. I don't know what to say, except wow!
73,
Ryan
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by W9SZ on February 19, 2004
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Beautiful Rover station! Great going, guys!
I've always wanted to give roving a try but it's a little more difficult with a Toyota Corolla (my only vehicle). I usually go QRP-Portable in VHF+ contests, managing to pack 10 bands into that car. The antennas are bigger when assembled, though, so it wouldn't do well to mount them on the car and drive it. It takes a while to get set up on a hilltop and I'd spend more time setting up than operating if I used my current equipment for roving.
But I keep changing, modifying and improving my gear, so one of these days I might be a 10-band Rover.
Zack W9SZ
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by N3EHY on February 19, 2004
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Great article! This looks like a fine field day excercise in addition to a great vhf/uhf contest operation.
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by K2AXX on February 19, 2004
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I have a small problem with this type of expedition. It's been done before. KA1ZE and crew did this exact type of operation in the 1990s, and it nearly tore VHFing apart. Rover rules were changed thanks to that.
My issue with this is that it DOES (whether the assurance is made or not) limit the number of other stations you can work. Based on the scores, NONE of these rovers worked anyone other than themselves on the bands above 2304MHz. A few of them only worked other stations on the lower bands, and it appears that these QSOs were made from only one or two stops along the trip. When covering as much distance as these 3 did, that doesn't leave much time to call CQ or to work others. And California is a big state, with a great deal of microwave interest. There HAD to be someone out there that could have worked them. The ratio of their own self-generated QSOs has GOT to be greater than 85%.
There are a number of rules that govern VHF+ Contesting, and of those the one which is MOST important to EVERY rover is as follows:
2.3.5. All Rovers are encouraged to adopt operating practices that allow as many stations as possible to contact them.
Found at http://www.arrl.org/contests/announcements/rules-vhf.html
While this IS a good story, and a REALLY IMPRESSIVE feat of logistics and time management - it's NOT the way that I'd like to see Roving go. Sure, scoring big points is a great thing. But I'd prefer rovers to go out into the field and try working NOT ONLY themselves, but make a concerted effort to 1)provide new multipliers/grids to other stations, 2) Be able to extend their distance records, 3) provide a REASON for people to get on the air.
From what I've read thus far, this wasn't the intention of this expedition. It was to prove a point. Well, consider the point taken.
Mark, K2AXX
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by WB2WIK on February 19, 2004
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Hi Mark,
I was also disappointed the group did not have much time to work others (including me, although I did make contact with N6NB/R when the van station was active from about 200 miles north of me), but it was surely an experiment in pushing the envelope.
The "next" Rover expedition is likely to be in June, with four, not three, stations running around in parallel. Since propagation in June is likely to be better than January, the group should do much better on 6m, and maybe the higher bands as well, as more mountaintop portables should be on.
For more info on the operator's point of view post-contest, try:
http://lists.contesting.com/archives/html/3830/2004-01/msg01293.hmtl
73,
Steve WB2WIK/6
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by KG4WKY on February 19, 2004
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Anyone ever set up for rovering from the Newfound Gap overlook at the TN/NC border? How about any of the saddle passes along the Blue Ridge Parkway? I've thought about doing Field Day from one of those spots.
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by WF7A on February 19, 2004
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VERY cool! EXCELLENT article! I wish we had more, well-written articles like these.
Just don't create a local, geomagnetic disturbance with all that gear or you'll have aircraft colliding into each other overhead. :)
Green from envy...
Rich, WF7A
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by KE4SKY on February 19, 2004
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Steve,
Really enjoyed this one. You guys ain't right 8-)
Now I have to see if I can get W4XP and K8GP to post pictures of the "Grid Pirates" modified school bus!
I didn't see the packet station? 73
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by K1ZF on February 19, 2004
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Way to go Steve!!!
Great to see a article about "RADIO!!!"
Not enough of these, thanks!!
Gene, K1ZF/AI1D And not afraid to say so.
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by KG6GMT on February 19, 2004
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I am a Rover also in the SJV, Worked 2 of the group in several grids (Thanks Guys) Will I ever be able to put a 10 band rover on the air. NO! Do I care NO!. But with information from the photos and this plus other postings my rover will improve. Somebody has to push the envelope these guys did and we all gain.
Bet I had as much fun! For me that is what it is all about.
73
brock
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by NG1I on February 19, 2004
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Me thinks some people have too much time and money on their hands,
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by K9ZF on February 19, 2004
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I would like to add a word of caution to all of the potential Rovers reading this thread:
Roving is highly addictive! For many, one time out and you will be firmly hooked! Which may just set you up on the same path as N6NB/R.
Give it a try, with whatever equipment you have, or can borrow. Steve's great article shows just how fun it can be. Even if your not Psychotic enough to try Roving, yet, give VHF contesting a try. VHF contesting is really a blast, and it's a whole different game than HF contesting.
HAVE FUN!
73
Dan
Dan Evans K9ZF
Scottsburg, IN 47170
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K9ZF /R no budget Rover
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Check out the Rover Resource Page at:
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by KA2LIM on February 19, 2004
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It is obvious that you took the bait and are hooked. Welcome to the wonderful world of VHF'ing. Look for myself and my buddy Rob, KB2YCC in the June vhf contest. We will be operating /VE3 from EN95 (somewhat rare grid) on the Bruce Peninsula, Ontairo, Canada. Been doing this "crazy" stuff for 25 years.
Ken
KA2LIM
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by SSBDX on February 19, 2004
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If anyone wants to know why hams are seen as wierdos, this thread should be your answer.
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by W3RRK on February 19, 2004
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WOW, what a set up! Look's like a lot of fun. However has anyone thought of the safty aspect. the fact that it's almost impossible to see clearly for traffic out the passenger side window. Keep having fun and rover safely.
Mark
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by W2EV on February 19, 2004
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You got my interest. So...N6NB claims the following:
o Three rovers in the "pack"
o 16 grids visited
o 128 QSO's on 10GHz
That means that there were 8 QSO's in each grid visited. Where did the other 5 QSO's come from?
Ev Tupis, W2EV
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by K1ZF on February 19, 2004
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RE: SSBDX
Hey look! Another "person" who is ashamed of their call... if they indeed have one...
Why do people knock those who “do” things in ham radio? Beats me.
Gene, K1ZF/AI1D
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by N9DG on February 19, 2004
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First I'll say that I agree with Mark, K2AXX on all points. That said I wouldn't want to see any rules that specifically bar "grid circling". I'd rather see an adjustment to the scoring method that does a better job of rewarding longer distance Q's, - especially so on the higher frequencies.
The formula as it now stands does not appropriately reward 4 stations (rover or otherwise) who are in the far corners of the same grid vs. 4 operators all in different grids but yet are as close together as a few hundred feet or yards. A distance based scoring system based on the distance between the centers of the 6 digit grid squares would be more equitable for everyone. Rovers can still “grid circle” but their score will be much larger if they are doing it by being as far as possible from each other vs. being close together at an intersection of 4 grids somewhere. Also allow multiple contacts to be made by rovers with the same stations while in the same 4-digit grid, but the score would be determined by only using the Q with the greatest distance achieved as determined by 6-digit grids. Apply these same rules for rover to fixed station Q's as well.
With this kind of change to the scoring rules the chances of the rovers working the other contest ops who are not rovers also increases, which helps to preserve the original spirit of the rover rule “to work as many other non-rovers as possible”. It also does a better job of encouraging all ops to push the limits of their gear vs. making roving primarily a time management exercise.
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by KA4KOE on February 19, 2004
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Yep. NG1I and SSBDX must be very unfilled, bitter, and jealous people....nihilistic bomb throwers, much akin to the barbarians that sacked Rome....destroy that you do not understand or are incapable of appreciating.
I say "BRAVO" to these guys who go after the gold ring with gusto and technical know how!
Those that excel in whatever endeavor never resort to half measures.
Well done article!
PAN
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by W4KPA on February 19, 2004
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Yep. There have been operations from Newfound Gap, Clingman's Dome, Mt. Mitchell, and just about every other peak you can drive to in the southern Appalachians. Check out this link:
http://www.svhfs.org/index.html
Bruce
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by KA4KOE on February 19, 2004
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"If anyone wants to know why hams are seen as wierdos, this thread should be your answer."
Anyone who posts trash like this anonymously is, in fact, a weirdo of the lowest sort.
It is OH so easy and BRAVE to hide behind a nom de plume. In other words, yer a sissy boy. Does mommy still dress you up?
I have strong opinions. I have the cohones to put my name and callsign under each and every one of my comments.
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by W2EV on February 20, 2004
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Oops. I wasn't thinking. 8 qso's per grid because two stations danced through 4 grids while N6NB stayed put. Wow. That sounds like a real hoot.
The pack had a "base QSO" count of 128 for each band. Doing the math, that means that out of 1,415 QSO's only 125 were with stations other than these rovers. That means that, spread across 16 grids, there was a mind numbingly incredible 7.8 QSO's per grid (with 10 bands available!) that went to a real participant.
As an activity this is impressive, certainly. Let's not confuse this with participating in a VHF contest as a Rover, though. The very first sentence in the rules for the January VHF SS says this:
1. Object: To work as many amateur stations in as many different 2 degrees by 1 degree grid squares as possible using authorized frequencies above 50 MHz. Foreign stations work W/VE amateurs only.
fwiw.
W2EV
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by W2EV on February 20, 2004
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By the way...for a real hoot, read this account of a "Rover" with an even higher "score" than n6nb's.
http://lists.contesting.com/archives/html/3830/2004-02/msg00182.html
dit dit
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by KA5N on February 20, 2004
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Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear ...
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by KB9YUR on February 20, 2004
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I too agree, WOW! Our modest plans for the upcoming VHF contest in June was to
travel from Chicago (EN61) into Michigan (EN62, 63, 64, 74 & 75) and back. Anyone else in
the Chicago area interested in possibly joining us ??
George ...
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by WB2WIK on February 20, 2004
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N9DG, you have a great idea, there. And you're not the first to have it!
Scoring systems such as you describe have been in use in European VHF-UHF contests for many years; they've been using the six-digit Maidenhead locators as exchanges in most of their contests since the eighties, and the scoring, while complex, takes into account the actual distance covered for every single contact.
WB2WIK/6
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by AD6WL on February 20, 2004
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I love it. These gents have more on their vehicles than a lot of hams have in their shacks. A vechicle with THREE rotators, kewl!!!
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by K2AXX on February 20, 2004
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I have often thought that distance scoring would be pure HELL to implement. That said, look at the Stew Perry DX Challenge on 160! It's based on power output, distance to the center of grid... it's pretty much what N9DG is talking about. To say it's not feasible would be wrong. It IS being done. However, that puts a LOT of pressure on those writing the software (and those manual loggers would either need to convert or have LOTS of topo maps!).
Putting restrictions on rover activities is the least palletable option, distance-based scoring is more preferable. BUT - at what cost? If rovers are restricted to a ratio of "pack qsos" less than 75% of their total score, that's going to impact those rovers who do the "grid circling". Other, more traditional rovers wouldn't likely be affected. Adopting distance-based scoring would limit the circling effectiveness (as you work 1000 1km QSOs) but at the cost of the casual participant who doesn't care so much about the distance. I can't imagine everyone wanting to know their 6-digit grid, and changing their software so that they can now participate "properly". This is the Catch-22. Disincentives to the fewest is likely the right way to go.
Rationally, we need (all VHF+ contesters) to determine which is better - rules with holes in them to be taken advantage of - or rules that leave no flexibility. I think distance removes the flexibility, at minimal cost. It's a function of geography not interpretation. Lat/Long don't often lie (unless your GPS is screwed up).
I'm just distressed that this has to happen yet again, that's all. We've been down this road before already (remember KA1ZE?) - and I'm just shocked that, for the sake of a contest score, we need to revisit it.
This isn't pushing any envelopes, nor exploring new territory. This is recreating history, with different scores as the outcome. This trick has been done, and so long as the loopholes in the rules are exploited still - there's nothing that will change it.
-Mark, K2AXX
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by K3IXD on February 20, 2004
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Great write up. Good pictures.
73, Ed
K3IXD
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by K2AXX on February 20, 2004
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And another REALLY cool look at Rovers, check this out:
http://vhfgroup.rochesterny.org/
and click the DOWNLOADS link.
You'll find the N2JMH "Psycho Rover" And the KB1EAA "Radical Roving" expedition.
It still amazes me, how these folks take as much sprawl as a 10-band station requires, and pack into a tiny little vehicle. That, in and of itself, requires a reward of some kind! (Generally, a week in a nice padded room might suffice!)
-Mark, K2AXX
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by W8KQE on February 20, 2004
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FANTASTIC ARTICLE AND PICS! These guys know how to 'go for it' bigtime. Their 'all out' approach and dedication to rover operations is to be admired. I casually operated only 6m SSB and CW rover during last year's July VHF contest running only a PAR Omniangle antenna in upstate NY, and had the time of my life! The band was open, and I must have worked about 200 plus stations with 25w from the car from several grids. That was my very first rover operation experience during a contest, and I can assure you, I am hooked. Pick a decent location, especially during a contest, and put some rare grids on the map! You'll have a blast, guaranteed!
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by W0FMS on February 20, 2004
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Roving is fun. I've not done it for a few years, but hop to again go roving.
It should be noted that you can be a benefit in a contest without that much elaborate equipment. I encourage anyone to try roving, even if you only go out with 6m and 2m
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by WB2WIK on February 20, 2004
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Mark (K2AXX), I don't know you, but I certainly know a lot of the western NY VHF-UHF weak signal group from over the years. I remember Ev when he was WB2ELB. I've known Wayne N2WK for many years. I've had dinner at Frank, K2OS's house, and we used to get together every time I visited Harris/RF back then -- going back to the 1970's. So, trust me, I've been VHF-UHF-uW contesting far longer than you have. I won my first Jan VHF SS (highest score in the country) set from my home in NJ at the time -- back in 1969.
And Wayne, N6NB, has been at it longer than I have!
So, nobody would be happier than I if new and improved incentives are created to make everyone's contest experience a better one.
But we shouldn't belittle anyone's effort, especially one that creates a new contest high score in any category. I think you guys are just jealous because we have warm, sunny WX all year long that permits "roving" all over the place in the middle of January! I really suspect that if the WX back that way were better, W3IY/R and N6NB/R would have had an interesting bicoastal shoot-out. Surely "grid circling" wasn't invented in California, but perhaps it was perfected here...
If contesting software were revised for six-digit Maidenhead locators and a hot link to QRZ.com, which indicates the 6-digit locator for every ham in America already, educating non-contesters wouldn't be necessary. If a station worked simply says, "I'm at home," -- boom -- you've got his 6-digit locator in the log. The Europeans have been using the distance-per-contact scoring system for about twenty years in VHF-UHF contests.
I'm all for that, and maybe we can make this happen.
WB2WIK/6
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by KB3JJG on February 20, 2004
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Very cool! Any future plans to add more vehicles?, coordinate with fixed locations etc etc?
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by KE4DRN on February 20, 2004
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Yes, great article.
Now here is an idea, put up all these antennas on one of the family cars, don't need all the radios, nobody will care about them.
When the HOA complains, maybe they will let me put up just some of the antennas in my backyard !
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by WB2AMU on February 21, 2004
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This is a great aspect of the hobby. Nice setup and nice article. I have done a number of rover operations and QRP portable operations during the VHF contest. I think that it is great to get out of the shack in the home QTH. You will learn a lot by this type of operation. It is not weird, it is fun!
P.S. I agree with the comments made by hams to SSBDX, the anon. poster.....have the guts to show your callsign or don't post anything at all.
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by AD6HT on February 21, 2004
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I have to commend the enthusiasm of these guys, but I also question the sprit of their adventures. I have been rovering for some time now covering DC to light and have never reached a score as they have. If you look at the results of the January 2004 contest you will notice that they didn’t work to many people other than themselves on the upper bands. This is not! the sprit of rovering.
I justify grid circling. After all, we do have a lot of time, equipment, gas, mileage that goes into a contest, so I view it as a bonus for our efforts. But when we go out, we talk to everyone and anyone. We typically travel in excess of 1000 miles in a typical contest. During the January 2004 contest we even energized a guy that was only on 2-meters to fire up all of his equipment that was collecting dust. We all had a great time.
I hope that in the future that we can hear more of these guys on the air talking with other stations. I hope that I haven’t offended anyone with this response. If I did, sorry, but I had to speak my mind.
73,
Steve, ad6ht
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by N3QT on February 21, 2004
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Well written article. Way to bust those CCR's and HOA's.
I like it. 'anything that can fit under a bridge.
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N3QT
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by NG1I on February 21, 2004
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I can see how you say that...it's fair but I have to work for a living (:
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by NG1I on February 21, 2004
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On top of that you need 1. Time (we all aren't retired) 2. Money (and lots of it)....unfortunately I'm still working in a middle calss job...oh well...ham radio does have a little something for everybody....egos too I guess (:
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by KA4KOE on February 22, 2004
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I love it. Load up the Henry 3K amplifier and head to the nearest powerline....
THE ULTIMATE ANTI-BPL ASSAULT VEHICLE
Might as well get a couple of tin cans and a string after that baby cranks up.
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by KC2HIZ on February 22, 2004
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> This is not! the sprit of rovering.
I agree with this sentiment, but let me kick in words from a new-ish rover: me. As a new guy, I have a lot of borrowed/loaned/antique gear. Most of the high band stuff isn't readily compatible with what the current state of the art is. For instance my 10G station is WBFM but virtually everyone else around here is narrow band.
So I can get on 10G and I can talk to the station that loaned me the gear but no others are interested/able to mess around with their stations to work me. And some have tried (for which I am deeply grateful.)
The point is that as a beginner, it can be Really Hard to work other stations except your mentor. Please don't get me wrong: I WANT my own gear and I am building as fast as my ability allows. I finished a 3G transverter and used it in January. That's only the beginning, but until I have a complete modern station, I will continue to use Ye Olde gear (which is essentially surplus junk to the rest of the Ham community.)
It gets more interesting from my perspective. The loaner gear includes a 1296 transverter, about 100mW. I don't have a Real antenna for 1296, just a quarter wave built on a BNC connector with radials. I know there's at least one station in my area with 1296, so I packed the rig in the car when I went out in January. It was nasty weather, -12F and windy. I guess I did a bad thing by driving to a high spot that is on a grid line. I managed to find a 1296 station who had enough oomph to work me and my micro rig, and I worked him in FN22. That means setting up the transverter on the roof of the car and holding that BNC connector over my head while we work each other.
After the contact, I told him to hang on: that I was driving across the line and would work him from FN32. Tear down, drive until the GPS says I'm over the line, drive some more until I'm free of the trees and then call CQ from there. I worked my 1296 friend again (boy was it cold) and called CQ until it was too cold for me to try anymore. Then I drove back. By this time, people are returning from church, and I get to work some FM mobiles.
That's a long bit of writing to set up the scene, but here it is: I have contacts in 22, then 32 and then 22 again, in rapid succession (under a half hour). Is this behaviour bad? I didn't make any skeds; it was completely at random. But my log shows that I worked only 2 stations on 1296; one station 3 times and the other once. Neither station loaned me any gear.
Should I be penalised because I have a weak station and because I tried to increase my score? How does the log show my INTENT to work as many stations as possible? I'll gladly sign an affidavit to that effect...
If we want to increase participation, then we need to make sure that the rules don't squash the little station just starting out. Sorry for the long note, you can tell I'm a bit attached to rovering (no room at home for antennas.)
73 de Buck KC2HIZ/r FN32at and beyond...
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by K2AXX on February 23, 2004
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Steve (WB2WIK)
I spent my early ham career reading about you & KT2B's exploits in VHF+. I read extensively about how you guys did so well, and did so much to further the fun in VHF+ contests! Believe me, though you don't know me I DO know about you. I guess being active in VHF+ for only 17 years myself (1st QSOs in 1986, as KA2RDO) isn't a long time. I've only taken 2nd place SOHP a couple times myself, have participated in the N2WK/KD5RO multis (even the year we won!) and still challenge myself to improve my station on a yearly basis. This year it's a new 2m amp and array (GS-35B, 6 x 10el K5GW). Then 24GHz. It's never ending!
I'm just surprised that you think I'm slamming the N6NB operation without offering due credit. I'm not. It truly is an impressive feat of time coordination, driving and logistics! There's NOTHING that can take away from that. The technical aspects are pretty cool also! I know, it's not easy building a 10-band station. Have done it myself from the ground up. So I admire Wayne and crew for the tenacity to do it!
I could care less about how big the scores are. I do well enough with my modest station (318K from the Tundra of WNY is nothing to sneeze at - it's in the top-5 USA/VE) but most of all I go at it to have FUN. I worked 3 new grids on 1296, 2 on 2304. I worked some "newbies" that seemed really pumped up. In short, it was actually a thrill to be on the air the entire time.
I'm just concerned about the health of VHF+ Contesting overall. I remember what the previous "roving controversy" did to Roving. I just wish it wouldn't happen again - because REGARDLESS of how bad blood is started, it takes a long time to purge it. Ripping open old sores isn't my idea of "perfecting" something. If I'm wrong about that, then I guess I'm misguided.
-Mark, K2AXX
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by WB2WIK on February 23, 2004
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Hello Mark (K2AXX),
Well, you've done remarkably, and I know that working any new grids at all on the bands above six meters, once you've been at it for 17 years, is exciting and almost amazing, especially without unique conditions.
I do think there are many facets to "radiosporting" (the kind word for rabid contesting), and the new ways of roving fit in there, somewhere. I know for sure N6NB (and likely N6MI and N6MU also) tried hard to work more stations outside the rover group. When I spoke with Wayne upon his return and reminded him I heard lots of stations calling him, at the time he worked me (at my home station), he said, "I was afraid of that -- I had such a high noise level, it was difficult to hear anybody!" Such is life when you're on the move and operating from locations you don't know much about.
Worse so, west of the Rockies. For those who haven't worked a VHF-UHF or uW contest from the West, it's, ummm, very challenging, compared to the East. That's mostly because we grow mountains out here a lot taller, with ranges extending for hundreds of miles with nary a break. 10,000' mountains literally break up the troposphere and often have their own weather systems which are very different from those "down below." I thought it was "interesting" when I operated from Mt. Equinox, VT (several times) and it snowed in June. But that hill's still only 3800' high and we could work stations right through the snowstorm.
Out west, it's very "uninteresting" when you find yourself at a 4-grid convergence which happens to be at the bottom of a 5,000 foot deep valley with no view in any direction, and no local population to work.
So, grid circling just for the fun of breaking a scoring record and actually having fun working lots of other home or portable stations just may be mutually exclusive, at least in the West.
But maybe it's better in June! I think we're going to find out...
73,
Steve WB2WIK/6
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by WM5R on February 24, 2004
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It seems to me that what these three rover vehicles have done is pretty blatantly cheating. This was not three separate contest operations. This was a single contest operation, employing transmitters in multiple locations, using multiple callsigns, and manufacturing QSOs with itself - none of which would be acceptable in any radio contest.
Besides, these three vehicles were not really in the contest - they could have made basically the same number of QSOs and mults and the same scale of "score" without working anyone else on the air that weekend. That they happened to work other stations at all was clearly a fortuitous accident, and not something they achieved intentionally. These vehicles were not really in the contest. They were making QSOs and driving around that weekend, sure, but they were not in the contest.
This sort of bad behavior (along with captive rovers) is ruining the viability of the rover class in VHF contesting.
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by K8ISK on February 25, 2004
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Better check your records, N3IQ (ND3F+K8ISK) did 1,391,942 in 1999.
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by K3CXG on February 25, 2004
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Steve:
Excellent article! The pictures really made it happen, although I dare not show them to my wife. She’ll see the glazed look in my eye and the drool puddles on my shirt as I look at all of the hardware. While I do operate VHF, I’m not a rover (but my dog might be); in any case, I was really impressed, as I know very little about rover operations. I’ve been reading about your exploits since the Slide Mountain days, and your work just gets better with age (don’t take offense with the “age” part - I’m a year older than you, so it’s just one geezer to another).
Keep the good stuff coming!
Excelsior! (tnx K2ORS)
73, Mike K3CXG
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by W0FMS on February 26, 2004
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Actually, I since the ARRL proposed changes to the roving rules, and there is a comment about grid circling on this thread I should comment.
I agree with the negative comments on captive roving. Using rovers to increase a fixed station or a clubs score is in bad taste unless you also help all the other folks out on the band with the activity you generate. Which, really people, why wouldn't you?
I'm a little worried about the comments on grid circling, however.
I'm in the midwest, and roving has a different meaning out here than at the coasts. We cannot mountaintop.. bluff top yes, but that doesn't always help...usually those places are limited and are never in the right grids, or at least it seems!
Having said that, we are usually going out with QRP level stations (even with 100W bricks, it's hard with nearly ground mounted antennas to say you are much more than a QRP level station).
This is often made up by going to rare grids, but to get to them you have to pass through common ones. And often it's a LOOOOONG drive to get to the rare ones. I've been IGNORED in common grids (which, hello, I needed some Q's thank you) and all of a sudden became the most popular station on the band when I got to a "rare" grid.
This gets to the anti-grid circling comments. It is very helpful to go out with multiple rovers, even from a station safety standpoint (try breaking down with several thousands of $$'s of equipment in a rare grid, which is rare for a reason!) when heading to rare grids. It's more fun, if you have someone to work if you go to the rare grids. I've been in places with other rovers that the other rovers were the only stations I've talked to, and not intentionally either.
In other cases, us working each other in a wolf pack is what caused the outside stations to hear us and work us.
I'm a little worried that outlawing grid-circling entirely would make it not worth it to go out at all roving. It's not worth spending weeks in advance setting up equipment, blowing up invariably the one piece of ham gear that you blow up in the craziness that is roving if you are going to get trompled on by the fixed stations. The wolfpacks help allieviate that alot.
The same thing with the club score rule. I wasn't involved the time our local "informal group"-- the "Cedar Rapids Microwave Society" won a contest (or at least the midwest) with it's rovers. I don't think it was intentional, either-- really we go out to have fun and not win. But I think not only did the club win because it was roving at the time (in January)-- but we really did generate a significant fraction of the total activity in the contest.
I hope the rule changes don't kill off midwestern roving, but it looks like it might. I hope it's not because of brused egos on the coasts.. I mean they usually win anyway, so I'm a but suprised at the proposed changes. Maybe some of our tricks are getting abused by rovers in the more populous areas? It's really rough going to rove in Iowa.. but it's still a lot of fun..
Fred, W0FMS
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by WB2WIK on February 27, 2004
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This is a pretty late post-script, but in response to K8ISK's comment a few lines up the thread:
I contacted N6NB about this, and here's Wayne's response:
"The 3 megapoint-plus scores logged by N6NB, N6MI and N6MU in the 2004 VHF SS are NOT record scores nationally. Everything we did had already been done by someone else -- and done better!
"A team formed of the legendary Grid Pirates multioperator contest group recorded one of the truly historic efforts in the annals of VHF contesting in the January 1999 VHF SS: N3IQ/R scored 1,391,942 points. Operators ND3F and WD8ISK (now K8ISK) roved in tandem with K8GP/R, operated by K6LEW and KA3QPG, who posted a score of 827,372 points. The two teams visited 15 grid squares and worked each other on an incredible 12 bands -- and then set out to work everyone else they could hear in the activity-rich Northeast Corridor. N3IQ worked 15 different stations 20 times or more, a mind-boggling feat to rovers outside the Northeast.
"By 2004, many other teams of rovers from coast to coast had achieved high scores by roving in tandem. Judging by the claimed scores now posted on ARRL.org, at least seven of the top ten rovers in 2004 VHF SS traveled with another rover. In recent years we've seen two rovers from Eastern Washington score about 400K each in a UHF contest. We've seen several rovers top 250K in Western Washington and Southern California by roving together. We've seen tandem rovers score 250K in January in the frozen upper midwest. And we've seen Rochester (NY) rovers contribute scores of up to 500K apiece to their club's aggregate score.
"However, nobody has come close to the 1.392 megapoint score achieved by N3IQ in 1999. Unless activity levels change drastically, probably no one except another station operating in the Northeast could touch that record. There are simply more stations to work in the Northeast than there are anywhere else. K1TEO has been the #1 single operator in every recent VHF SS, with an average score exceeding 400,000 points over the last five years. For comparison, the average #1 single op score on the west coast over the last five years has been eight times lower, barely over 50,000 points.
"Tandem roving has helped to equalize scoring opportunities around the country, but the Northeast still has a decisive edge.
-Wayne, N6NB"
Thanks to all for reading! -WB2WIK/6
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by K0NR on February 28, 2004
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For those of you that have been involved in this so-called "extreme rovering" activity, are tempted to get involved in it or just have way too many antennas on your vehicle....we will be starting a support group to help people cope with this problem. Excessive rovering leads to broken family relationships, financial difficulty and a general feeling of "losing control of ones life".
There is help out there.
73,
Bob K0NR
A Recovering Rover
P.S. Just kidding.
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by W6YLZ on April 5, 2004
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Hell of a article...Steve...My hats off to "Nose Bleed" and his group...See u on the Magic band...or eyeball you !!! Chau, MR
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by KB7DQH on January 2, 2005
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My first rover rig was a 1970 VW Bus... I still use it for road scouting missions and other operations requiring minimal antennas and a high degree of vehicular maneuverability. It was equipped with ten bands, the antennas for six of them rotated and elevated on a common rooftop mast.
My current rover setup is in a 33 foot long US Navy surplus Bus, and has four desktop operating positions, two elevatable rotating masts, supporting the six lower bands. The single band horn/transverter assemblies used in the VW Bus are being carried in the International bus for 2304 thru 10 GC.
The two front operating positions and forward antenna mast are set up for 6 and 2 meters.
The rear mast and two operating positions are set up as follows: Left position is set up with 222 and 432 MHZ, and the right position with 903 and 1296 MHZ on a common IF rig.
Depending on weather and other factors, the microwave gear can be set up either inside the rear of the Bus with the horn firing thru the opened emergency door, or set up on a tripod outside the vehicle. The former comes in really handy when it is raining or snowing...
The front and rear operating positions are separated so as to provide rotation clearance for the 16 foot long antennas on the rear mast, and the 12 foot long antennas (including a specially constructed 4 element Yagi for 6 meters ) on the front mast. In doing so, two bunks and storage are positioned on the right side of the bus interior, and dining/logging facilities on the left. The table for the dining/logging facility still needs to be built, so currently have the space configured for storage and sleeping space for a third person. This still leaves a 7 foot by 7 foot multipurpose space, partially invaded by the 6 pallet jack batteries which power all the stations thru the DC distribution plant. An 8-D commercial starting battery is also there, in series with the primary supply to provide 24VDC for that equipment which requires it.
I recently checked its handling capability in snow/ice conditions, and determined it is as capable of operations in these conditions as my old trusty VW Bus.
My only difficulty is figuring out how I can make a valid log entry this January if I got more than two operators onboard. I can carry more operators than the current rover rules allow, (limited to two) and as a multioperator station, it is capable of being positioned in far more than the one (and only) grid square...
Sooo.... I have created the first and only "Unlimited Multioperator Rover" and the only way it can "compete" in the current framework of ARRL sponsored VHF contests when "fully staffed" is to assign each operating position a separate callsign... and so have up to 4 "co-located" rovers, all in the same vehicle, sharing DC power and maybe antenna support...
but the transmitters and antennas would be separate.
Maybe send in a Unlimited Multi Rover checklog????
Any Ideas?
Eric
KB7DQH
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