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FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:

from The ARRL Letter, Vol 23, No 06 on February 7, 2004
Website: http://www.arrl.org/
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FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:

The FCC is working on at least two fronts to eliminate unlicensed operation from the 10-meter band. In January, FCC Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth sent warning notices to two shipping companies regarding reports to the Commission that some of the companies' vehicles may be the source of illegal radio transmissions on the amateur band. One of the companies, UPS, has offered its full cooperation.

"Many truckers use CB radio, which does not require a license," Hollingsworth pointed out in letters to UPS offices in Ohio and Indiana and to R&L Transfer Inc of Ohio. "However, any person using a radio transmitter on the Amateur Radio bands must possess a station and operator license." Hollingsworth asked the over-the-road shippers to advise their drivers that such radio operation could subject them to heavy fines and seizure of their radio equipment.

UPS Attorney Daniel N. Tenfelde responded to assure Hollingsworth that his company was taking its Warning Notice seriously and has launched a full investigation. "We discovered that some employees had obtained CB radios that contained a mechanism allowing them to switch frequencies into the 10-meter Amateur Radio band," he told Hollingsworth in a January 28 letter. "It is not UPS policy to allow equipment such as this to be used in our vehicles." He said UPS' contract with the Teamsters Union allows only for CB radios.

Tenfelde said UPS is working with its transportation and labor groups to let drivers know that such unlicensed operation violates both UPS policy and FCC regulations.

In a parallel development, the FCC issued a Citation to Jonathan Edward Stone, doing business as Omnitronics/Pacetronics for alleged violation of §302(b) of the Communications Act and §2.803(a)(1) of the Commission's rules. An investigation by the FCC's Dallas field office led the Commission to allege that Omnitronics/Pacetronics was offering more than two dozen uncertificated "Citizens Band" transceivers via its Web site. The FCC says Omnitronics/Pacetronics was marketing the units as Amateur Radio equipment, which does not require FCC certification (formerly known as "type acceptance").

"The Commission has evaluated radio frequency devices similar to those listed and concluded that the devices at issue are not only amateur radios but can easily be altered for use as Citizens Band devices as well," said the FCC Citation from FCC Dallas District Director James D. Wells. The FCC said it concluded that the devices fall within the definition of CB transmitters that "cannot legally be imported or marketed in the United States." That would include so-called "export" models, the Citation said, pointing to a 2000 revision of §2.1204(a)(5) of its rules.

Citing §95.655(a) of the FCC's rules, Wells noted that "dual-use CB and Amateur Radio of the kind at issue here may not be certificated under the Commission's rules." The clarification was added to Part 95--which governs the Citizens Band--"to explicitly foreclose the possibility of certification of dual-use CB and amateur radios and thereby deter use by CB operators of frequencies allocated for Amateur Radio use," he said.

The FCC Citation also warned Unitronics/Pacetronics regarding the requirement of FCC certification of external RF amplifiers or amplifier kits capable of operating below 144 MHz as well as the prohibition against marketing RF amplifiers or amplifier kits capable of operating between 24 and 35 MHz.

Source:

The ARRL Letter Vol. 23, No. 06 February 6, 2004

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FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by RADIO123US on February 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Copper Electronics has been selling this illegal equipment for many years, and they still continue to do so....check it out at http://www.copper.com/
I wonder why the FCC has never done anything about them ? Maybe if enough hams would complain to the FCC, they would finally decide to shut them down too...
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by N7UQA on February 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I also see that www.davemade.com is STILL around. This guy sells amps to CB'ers who you can frequently hear on CB channel 6 (otherwise known as the super bowl). His solid state amps have as many as 32 2879s and his tube amps come with tubes as large as a 3CX15000A7. This guy certainly has a talent, too bad he has to waste it with 11 meters.


Craig - N7UQA
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by N1YRK on February 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hrm, note the Teamsters' agreement only allows CB...well, wouldn't it be appropriate to have amateur radio a part of the Teamsters' agreement as well? Of course for licensed amateurs, not these scofflaws.
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by W1LBY on February 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey I have an idea.
Why doesnt the ARRL just give these people a no code free HF privilege license so they can all move to the amateur bands.......Oh thats right they are already working on that.....my mistake.
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by N6TGK on February 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I've written to Riley about Copper SEVERAL times...even providing links. Thus far it hasn't done anything. It makes sense to me that it would be easier going after the stores and truck stops that sell this illegal equipment than tracking down a bunch of trucks. Eliminate the radios and you eliminate the problem. Right now it appears they're only going after the symptom...not the cause. As for W1LBY's comments...think what you will. People such as yourself have been foretelling the death of amateur radio for years. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in support of the new proposal. Getting a license is easy enough now as it is. Therein is kind of my point. With it being so easy to obtain a license now, I haven't seen amateur radio getting worse and the requirements were reduced four years ago. And let's not forget the people (old-timers included) that have "real licenses" and break the rules...especially those that think they can use their amateur radio equipment on CB.
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by W9WHE on February 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W1LBY writes:

"Why doesnt the ARRL just give these people a no code free HF privilege license so they can all move to the amateur bands.......Oh thats right they [arrl] are already working on that.....my mistake"

My sentiments EXACTLY.

Hey...all you 11 meter scoff laws, the ARRL wants you!
ARRL wants to give you HF priveleges and a deal on ARRL membership.

W9WHE,
Supporting the ARRL boycott.




 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by N9PAR on February 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Thats the reason I left Ham radio is because of people making rude comments about the NO code ticket.I was called " a 2 meter CBer" right on the air.I know the code enough to go take my test for code.I feel why bother.
Getting back to the subject at hand.It will never change I have reported local cb stores selling 10/11 meter stuff and the fcc doesn't care.
N9PAR
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KE4ZHN on February 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Isnt this too little too late? Pirates have been operating on 10 meters for years and years, and now that the ARRL wants the FCC to give away "boxtop" tickets, all of a sudden the commission is hot on the trail of bootleggers? This makes no sense at all! Why bother to police the band when your going to flood it with the very same folks who are on it illegally now? Why not just give them the ticket with no test and be done with it. 25 questions for HF? What a sorry joke!






Rich KE4ZHN "Never joined the ARRL....never will"
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KC0OVT on February 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
copper has a catalog that sells catalogs and hands on videos on how to modify citizen band radios for out of band transmit. they sell linears for cb and also offer the option on all 10 meter radios including the ranger 2970dx 100 watts!!! to be modified for citizen band use. you wana stop the problem end the sales of 10 meter mono band radios unless they are gaurnetted they will only transmit on 10 meters. you know that all those 10 meter mono band radios on copper were designed to be cb's how many ham radios do you see with built in echo, roger beeps, sound effect boards, and voice changing robot boards... go to copper and look at the export 10 m rigs most of them have those options then u just click the little option and wam bam they mod it for cb. and the biggest problem is not a little bit more punch on cb with 10 meter ham radios its the www.davemade.com that sells 125,000 watt mobile linears for cb radio, theres your problem. 125kw's!!!! if you dont beleive me check it out and www.bigradios.com 100,000 watt mobile cb's and pictures of them.
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by W9WHE on February 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
N9PAR writes:

"I know the code enough to go take my test for code.I feel why bother".

Wow!
N9PAR provides the best example of why we should NOT give HF priveleges away willy-nilly, the ARRL way!


W9WHE
Proudly supporting the ARRL boycott
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by N9PAR on February 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not waiting for the FCC to drop the code to get HF.
I don't want HF.I left ham radio a while ago and have NO plans to get back into it.SO thats why I said why bother.I have meet alot of very unfriendly people on the radio so I feel I'm just better off with out it.I think they should keep the code make you work to get hf But I could really careless.
73,
N9PAR
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KE4DJQ on February 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
im with you n9par i just dont know why people have to bring the code into every subject that gets brought up in here...just let it be....a damn monkey can learn the code so give it a break...either we want to learn the code or we dont all of you so called almighty gods that have hf....far as im cincerned you can stick hf where the sun doesnt shine....god bless the day that bpl comes in and takes hf away from you freaks.............good day......ke4djq
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KG4DNB on February 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I was on Yahoo's Auction the other day in the Amateur Radio section and found people selling modified CB radios in the 10 meter ham band. They were selling illegal amps for CB use starting at 400 watts into the thousands.

A while back, I was on the interstate next to a trucker. He was running a tremendus amount of wattage from his CB radio. It was wiping my FM stereo out. Just think of the RF radiation from it to people just driving close to him.

The FCC needs to crack down on these sales of illegal equipment!!!

73's
KG4DNB
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by N7UQA on February 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The problem is man power and the inability of the FCC to make these violation very painful. If a truck driver had illegal radio equipment in his rig simply impound the rig and fine the trucking company $10,000. And go one further by suspending the truckers CDL for 90 days. CB amps and 10/11 meter radios are on ebay all the time. In the HAM Radio/Amplifier section the number of CB amp vs legitimate amateur radio amps is about 50/50. A person who know the difference could make a career tagging this equipment as invalid items.

But ebay is very slow to respond and the auction is usually over by the time they can take action. As I have said many times in this forum it's time for the FCC to quit “type accepting “ 11 meter CB equipment. The band wouldn't dry up over night but it has a head start since CB is headed the way of the Dodo bird.


Craig - N7UQA
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KG4YHR on February 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ya know there is a guy in sarasota florida who does the same thing as davemade is doing please do not stop the code requirement or all of HF will turn into 11m's
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KE4MOB on February 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"As I have said many times in this forum it's time for the FCC to quit “type accepting “ 11 meter CB equipment. The band wouldn't dry up over night but it has a head start since CB is headed the way of the Dodo bird."

That wouldn't help at all. All it would do is punish the CB operators who actually stay within the law.

The problem isn't in the type-accepted Uniden or Realistic CB's. It's in the Galaxys, Texas Stars, and others of their ilk who never intended to obey the law and operate businesses on the outer limits of legality.

No change in the rules will resolve the problem....more enforcement will, however.

I just wonder what Pacetronics did (that everyone else isn't doing) to draw the attention of the FCC.
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by K3WVU on February 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Has anybody checked Ebay lately? You can buy any type of "opened up" radio you want, and greedy Ebay won't even enforce it's own policies against the sale of illegal items, even if they are notified about it. The situation is totally out of control, and can only be solved by the FCC taking decisive action against these purveyors of illegal radios. Maybe they'll get these truckers if they start flashing their boobs to passing motorists.

As far as the code, no-code argument goes, why should anyone already operating illegally bother to get ANY type of license? They would be too lazy and indifferent to take even a written exam.

Dwight K3WVU

 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by W5GNB on February 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey folks, Don't count on the FCC to get in any hurry about cleaning up the CB mess, I think that has been out of thier control since the beginning. Now the proposals are pointing to make our ham bands into the same disaster that has occurred on 27Mhz.
Anyhow, they have thier "Hands Full" with BOOBS being displayed on TV HIHI..... We all KNOW that is much more important than our little old problems!!
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by KB7LYM on February 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
With all the troubles we have in the US I think that making a fuzz over 10 meters, amplifiers,scofflaws,cb's
and our Governmental agency the FCC who workes slower then molasses through a straw ( job security ) If we have to wait for the FCC to come to the resque we will be all in the box, the deep six,the wooden overcoat.
Anybody can buy equipment anywhere. Don't let it eat up your brains... take a deep breath and let it go. Like Mose used to say... It is written.
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by WA2JJH on February 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I wonder since there will be code free novice ticket, will Copper make thier 10-11 mteer rigs,,,,go down to cover 15 meters too!
 
FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by AC7KZ on February 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Go to any truck stop and you will find "dual band" cb/10 meter radios. Many truckers get these and find out there are other "cb" channels with no interference.
 
10 meter scoff-laws will soon be hams!  
by W9WHE on February 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Attention all CBers and 11 meter scoff-laws. The ARRL wants you! (or, er, um...at least your membership dues)

If the ARRL has its way, these scoff-laws will soon be on the amateur HF frequencies. Think about that!

W9WHE
Supporting the ARRL boycott
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by J0KERZ-WYLDE on February 24, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WOW!! 125,000kw's!! ...... I've been lookin for somethin like that.... gee thanx fella's for that info on davemade.com ...... I just order'd one ass kickin linear!! .... ya'll are the absolute greatest.... Thanx Again
 
RE: FCC Goes After Alleged 10-Meters Scofflaws:  
by WD4RUG on November 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
YALL CRY BABYS WE OUT BANDERS LOVE WHAT WE DO. ALSO SUPPORT EXPORT CB SALES,AMPS THANKS
 
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