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Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)

from Bruce Spratling, Jr. on April 1, 2004
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Suppose your station has a transmitter that puts out 50 watts of power, a feed line that loses all but 40% of the power, a duplexer that loses half the power, and an antenna that produces enough gain to make the signal 4 times as strong as a dipole antenna.  To find the effective radiated power of your station you need to multiply 50 watts times .4 (feed line loss) times .5 (duplexer loss) times 4 (antenna gain) = 40 watts.

Rather than multiply all these factors together, someone decided it would be good to represent them in a way that allows us to add them.  An increase of a factor of 10 is defined to be a 10 decibel increase.  Decibels are abbreviated dB.  Two 10dB increases produces a 20dB increase, because we add decibel increases.

Two increases by a factor of 10 results in an increase of 10 X 10 = 100; therefore 20dB = 100.  Three 10dB increases is 30dB, which is 10 X 10 X 10 = 1000. 

Because we want to be able to add the dB increases, 0 dB is a factor of 1.  Multiplying something by 1 does not change it, just as adding 0 to something results in no change.

Decibels

0

10

20

30

Factor

1

10

100

1000

It’s easy to figure out the meaning of 10, 20, 30, 40... dB, but how about decibels less than 10?

Note that if we multiply 2 by itself 10 times, it generates the following: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024.

2 times itself 10 times is 1024, which is slightly more than 1000, which is 30dB.  3 added to itself 10 times is 30, and 30dB is a factor of 1000.  Therefore, 3dB represents a factor of (approximately) 2.

Another way to derive that 3dB represents a factor of 2 is this:  If we add 3dB to itself 3 times we get 9dB, which is less than, but close to, 10dB.  If we multiply 2 times itself 3 times we get 2X2X2=8, which is close to, but less than 10.  This is good because 9dB should be less than 10 (since 10 dB is 10).  We have to multiply 8 by 5/4 to equal 10, and we have to add 1dB to 9dB to equal 10dB.  Having 3dB = 2  will work if 1dB = 5/4.  Does 1 dB represent a factor of 5/4?  If we apply 1dB 3 times, we’ll have 3dB, which = 2.  (5/4)X(5/4)X(5/4) = 125/64, which is close to 2.  Therefore, a 3dB increase represents a 2 times increase, and 1 dB represents an increase of 1.25.

6dB = 3dB + 3dB.  A 3dB increase is a factor of 2, so 6dB = 2 X 2 = 4.  Similarly, 9 dB = 2 X 2 X 2 = 8.

So far we have:

Decibels

0

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

Factor

1

1.25

 

2

 

 

4

 

 

8

10

Let’s consider negative decibels.  -1dB changes 10dB to 9dB, which changes 10 to 8.  Therefore, -1 dB is .8, because .8 times 10 = 8.

To find 8dB, think of 8dB as 9dB – 1dB = 8 X .8 = 6.4.  To find 5dB, think of 5dB as 6dB - 1dB = 4 times .8 = 3.2.  Note that 5dB + 5dB = 10dB = 10.  Using 5dB = 3.2:  3.2 X 3.2 = 10.24, which is about 10.  To find 2dB, use 2dB = 3dB – 1dB = 2 X .8 = 1.6

Decibels

0

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

Estimated Factor

1

1.25

1.6

2

2.5

3.2

4

5

6.4

8

10

Actual Value

1

1.26

1.58

1.99

2.51

3.16

3.985

5.01

6.31

7.94

10

% Error

 

.714

-.944

-.236

.475

-.178

-.473

.237

-1.41

-.708

  0

You’ll notice from the chart that the results are all within 1.5%.

To summarize the system:

Realize that 3dB = 2, so 6dB = 4, and 9dB = 8.

You know the value for 3, 6, and 9dB (2, 4, 8).

To find 2, 5, or 8dB (1 less than 3dB, 6dB, or 9dB), use -1dB = .8.

If you want to know 4 or 7dB (1 more than 3dB or 6dB), use 1dB = 1.25.

To find fractions of 1dB, realize that 1dB represents a 25% increase, so .1dB is a 2.5% increase, .2dB is a 5% increase, .4dB is a 10% increase.  (This interpolation method isn’t exact, but it’s fairly close when dealing with such small values).

You can carry this further for hundredths of a decibel.  .01dB is one tenth of .1dB.  .1dB is 2.5%, so .01dB is .25%.  .04 dB is 1%.

An example:  Suppose an antenna has a gain of 17.68 dB.  How much increase is this?  Note that 17.68 = 10 + 7 + .68.  A 10 dB increase is a factor of 10.  A 7 dB increase is a factor of 5.  Therefore, a 17 dB increase is a factor of 10 X 5 = 50.  .6 dB is 15%, .08 dB is 2%, so .68 dB is about 17%.  50 X 1.17 = 58.5, so the antenna increases the signal strength by a factor of 58.5, the signal is 58.5 times as strong (the exact value is 58.61).

Another example:  An antenna’s signal is 25 times stronger than a dipole antenna.  How many decibels is this?  This is actually quite easy.  A 10 dB increase is a factor of 10.  Because 25 = 10 X 2.5, we still have an increase of 2.5 to account for.  An increase of 2.5 is 4 dB, so the total increase = 10 dB + 4 dB = 14 dB (the exact value is 13.98 dB).

Suppose we have an increase of a factor of 30.  How many decibels is this?  30 = 10 X 3.  To multiply by 10 requires 10dB.  But, we need to add the decibels needed to multiply by 3.   4dB is 2.5, but we need 20% more (3 is 20% more than 2.5).  20% is about .8dB, so 30 = 14.8dB (the exact value is 14.77).

Well, that’s my little system for decibels, and as promised, I didn’t mention logarithms!

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Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N1OU on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great article! I got my first training on this way back in the 60's and never have been able to remember much except 3db is double what you had before. You've got a good grip on this and with just a quick read I now know the difference between a decibel and a dinner bell.

Thanks & 73

Gordon, N1OU
 
Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by G5FSD on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
see also http://www.geocities.com/rf-man/db.html
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Without logs, we'd have no log cabins!! Where would Honest Abe have slept in his formative years?
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K3ESE on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I write down the tempo, if it's one I like, while playing music.

I've found it's always a good idea to log a rhythm.
 
Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N4QA on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Let your fingers do the walking through the..." Calculator!
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
SLIDE RULES RULE!!!

Calculators are for sissies!!
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W2DUG on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Leave it up to a ham to so utterly complicate an otherwise straightforward concept. I'm glad I learned about deciBels using the traditional logarithmic approach, because this would have made it a lot harder to understand. Next time you attempt to teach this, remember that a picture is worth a thousand words, and that explicit definitions are generally more effective than implicit memory tricks.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K3ESE on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

SLIDE RULES:

Stay in line and wait your turn.

No climbing up the slide.

Don't throw sand.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K5DVW on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I only log the rare ones.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N1ZPP on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
In the first paragraph... " loses all but 40%" ... which I translate as being a 60% feedline loss... so, wouldn't the calculations be 50 * .6 instead of 50 * .4????

--N1ZPP
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by WB2WIK on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Windows includes a free calculator as an accessory, and that includes a log function; so probably almost everyone reading this has a calculator right in front of them. The little $9.95 pocket solar-powered calculators have a log function, too. And most have an antilog function for converting dB back to arithmetic. It takes about a minute to learn how to do either one.

So, I'm not sure memory tricks are really the right way to go...

But nice article, anyway!

 
Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4RKT on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is a very easy method, been using these same "approximations" for years now. MUCH MUCH easier if there are no logs involved. One thing, this seems to cover power (dBm/dBw) only, for voltage(dBv) use this

6 dB = multiply or divide the ratio by 2;
10 db = multiply or divide the ratio by 3.33
20 db = multiply or divide the ratio by 10

see http://www.scott-inc.com/html/dbtalk.htm
for an article that covers both watts and volts.

Tom
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by WB2WIK on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
RKT, how is memorizing anything easier than knowing how to calculate it? This doesn't make sense to me.

BTW, for a voltage change of 10dB, the voltage ratio isn't 3.33, it's 3.16.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If memory serves, the formulas for voltage and power gain are different:

Voltage gain = 20 log (Vo/Vi)

Power gain = 10 log (Po/Pi)

Is my memory serving me, or has 20 years out of school left its mark?
 
Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KX5FUZ on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great article! I've been googling for a couple of days trying to find a resource like this. I deal with 80211.b/g configurations, and being able to figure the difference in effective output in my head will be handy.

W2DUG - I thought it was presented well. How would pictures have helped? And it wasn't meant to replace learning logs, just as a quick way to use decibels.

WB2WIK - "How is memorizing anything easier than knowing how to calculate it?" How about both? Thanks to Bruce, I can do this stuff in my head now.

Steve
KX5FUZ
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W1RFI on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Of course, the real skill is in using dB correctly in practice. For example: dBm is dB relative to a milliwatt. So 0 dBm is 1 milliwatt.

Even with that, it is not always instinctive to use dBm to do calculations. For example, what is 20 dBm + 20 dBm?

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by WB2WIK on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
20dBm + 20dBm is 40 dBm. DBm is a unit of power, not a ratio.

I still go by Edison's old philosophy...why memorize anything you can calculate?

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N0NPI on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
No, sorry, 20dbm + 20dBm is 23dBm.

Or, .1W + .1W = .2W an increase of 3dBm
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by NI0C on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KA4KOE:
Your memory serves you well-- your formulas are correct, although there are other formulas that include impedance levels.

I don't see how decibel calculations could be any easier than using these simple formulas with a calculator to find the logarithms.

Logarithms seem to be a neglected topic in algebra courses these days-- I think that's a mistake.

73 de Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N6AJR on April 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I am looking for a job with an antenna company, and this here dipole has 3 db gain which is a lot and we can round it to 5 which is almost 10 db so this dipole will make your 100 wat lineeer boot warmer look like 10 KW for only $99.99, now about this g5rv, it looks even better so your lineeer will look like even more. I am an honest antenna maker, would I lie to you??

Ya want to buy a fan Dipole Cheep?
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
FUZ:

This middling aged EE just stumbled onto 802.11b/g networking here fairly recently. Have a network in the house.

I swear, its the neatest thing I've run into in a LONG time.

I mean, when's the last time a gadget, or discovery, or whatever, just made you grin like an 11 year old kid?

This did.

PHILIP
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W1RFI on April 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Reply by WB2WIK on April 1, 2004
> 20dBm + 20dBm is 40 dBm. DBm is a unit of power, not
> a ratio.

20 dBm is 0.1 watts (100 milliwatts).

40 dBm is 10 watts.

>WB2WIK/6

> Reply by N0NPI on April 1, 2004
> No, sorry, 20dbm + 20dBm is 23dBm.
>
> Or, .1W + .1W = .2W an increase of 3dBm

20 dBm + 20 dBm = 23 dBm, but it is an increase of 20 dBm (0.1 W), not an increase of 3 dBm (0.002 W). It is easy enough to mix up units, though; it took me a long time not to say dB when I mean dBm and vice versa. I have seen many an engineer leave the negative sign off of dBc (dB relative to a carrier level) when discussing harmonics. I would not want to be anywhere near a 40 dBW broadcast station (10,000 watts) whose harmonics were at a level of 60 dBc. (Harmonics 60 dB higher than 40 dBW = 100 dBW or 10000000000 W.)

> I still go by Edison's old philosophy...why memorize
> anything you can calculate?

This question might be some good fodder for the Extra Class question pool. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K5DVW on April 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Err, ya, and 0dBm + 0dBm = 3dBm

 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KW4N on April 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Chuck:N1OC
>Logarithms seem to be a neglected topic in algebra courses these days-- I think that's a mistake. <

I couldn't agree with you more. To truly understand the decibel concept one must understand logarithms. Rote learning just doesn't cut it. Denied learning in logarithms is to deny the understanding of, for example, the Richter Scale, and growth and decay of materials.
73 Dave


 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by WB2WIK on April 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Geesh, you guys can't take a joke. I thought it was April 1st all day yesterday!

20dBm + 20dBm = 100mW (23dBm) for sure.

40dBm is 10W.

No problem using memory to approximate changes in dB. Big problem relying on "S" meter readings and thinking they actually reflect anything useful other than a peak or null...

I think dBm is more useful when comparing large differences, like -127dBm to +63dBm, which is roughly the change between an average receiver sensitivity and a legal-limit transmitter power output. Zowie!

WB2WIK/6

 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by WB2WIK on April 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Isn't it still April 1?

Darn!
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W6TH on April 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You fella hams are very smart. You certainly know your deebeez, dB, DB db. Which is correct?

.:
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W1RFI on April 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> dB, DB db. Which is correct?

The unit is the Bel. By convention, the Bel has not been seen as convenient, so most applications use the metric system to divide it by 10 using the designator deci. So the correct capitalization is "dB." DB, db or Db are all incorrect. (It is kind of like MHz; lots of folks miscapitalize that one, too. My favorite is mHz. If someone asks me how long to make a 7 mHz antenna, I give them the correct answer -- and then answer the question I think they intended to ask. <smiley>)

As an aside, if one were to say that a signal were to increase by 100 dB, one could also say that it had increased by 10 Bels. Few do, and fewer yet would instantly understand it.

The term dB expresses a ratio. It is common to see a third letter after the dB, indicating some standard things that are used for a reference for that ratio. Common ones in RF electronics are dBm (dB relative to a milliwatt), dBW (watt), dBc (carrier), dBi (dB relative to an isotropic antenna), dBd (dB relative to a half-wave dipole in free space). Once the reference has been established, an actual value is being expressed, not a ratio.

As ratios, dB can be added and subrtacted. If you say that you have a power of 1 watt and you amplify it by 10 dB, put it into an antenna with 10 dB' of gain and a feedline loss of 3 dB, you can sum the gains and losses and determine by how many dB you have increased that signal. In this case, + 10 dB + 10 dB - 3 dB, or a total of +17 dB. You can apply that addition to a dB expression that is not a ratio, but only once. So, if we were to start with 2 watts of power (3 dBW), we could do:

+ 3 dBW
+ 10 dB amplifier gain
+ 10 dBi
- 3 dB
----------
+20 dBW effective isotropically radiated power (EIRP). In this case, one can mix the "W" and "i" because the forumula for EIRP includes power and antenna gain. If the amplifier gain were not specified as +10 dB, but only its output power, you could not add the initial 3 dBW and the amplifier output power of 13 dBW, because the forumula for EIRP doesn't care about the input and output power of the amplifier. It really only cares about the output power fed to the feed line, so you could either use the input power and amplifier gain, as shown above, or could replace the +3 dBW and 10 dB gain with +13 dBW, the output of the amplifier.

One cannot, as we saw earlier, add up the dB when dB is used directly in a power expression, such as dBW or dBm. To add those powers, one would have to convert the dBm or dBW to power, add those powers. If one wanted the power expressed with a decibel ratio, one could convert the result to dBm or dBW.

I loved the premise of the article, because it provided a very easy way to do decibels mentally, or at least with a pencil and paper. (I asked the QST editor to see if he can get something like it for QST. I can't speak for the editor, though.) However, with today's calculators and computers, logs are really not all that hard.

(A quick caution: many software programs, especially Basic, do NOT use log10 for its log calculations, but rather log to the base e, a different beast altogether. Some Basics have both a loge and log10 function, but many do not. I discovered a trick to use that will give log10 no matter what log the Basic actually uses. If N is the number you want to manipulate, you can use log(N) / log(10) and, no matter what log the Basic program is using, you will end up with log10 results.)

Okay, so after that digression, here are the basics for manipulating dB:

For power, use:

dB = 10 * log10(power ratio)

So, if power increases to 4 watts from 1 watts, one would have

dB = 10 * log10(4 / 1) = 6.02 dB

If the resistance is the same for two voltages, dB can be calculated as:

dB = 20 * log10(voltage ratio) or
dB = 10 * log10(voltage ratio ^ 2)

Note: ^ is the Basic designator for "raised to the power of."

Now, this would be a bit ugly in ascii, but even if the impedances are not the same, you can use a dB formula to compare the two levels, by squaring the voltages and dividing by the appropriate impedance.

For V1 and R1 and V2 and R2:

dB = 10 * log10 ((V1^2/R1) / (V2^2/R2))

It is even easier to convert the other way. If, for example, one has a power of 23 dBW, one can use the formula:

Power (watts) = 10 ^ (dBW/10)

In this case, the answer is 199.5 watts.

It is also common to see dB referenced to voltages, such as dBV or dBuV, etc. In that case, use the formula:

Voltage (units) = 10 ^ (dBunits / 20)

So, if a voltage were expressed as 12 dBuV, one could calculate

Voltage uV = 10 ^ (12 / 20 ) = 3.98 uV

It is early in the AM, so if I made any goofs in the above, please do correct them. I would hate my morning haze to give anyone bad information. :-)

73,
Ed, W1RFI
 
Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by VR2XUF on April 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For dBm calculation I have another simple method by simple plus / minus method. I used it for ten years. I also hold some lessons in china to teach this method for telecoms people. You don't need a calculator. Just a pen and paper. As sample as in primary school.
By definition 1milliWatt (mW) = 0dbm

3dB is nearly equal to 2 times (1.99526), -3dB is nearly equal to half (0.5012)

10dB is equal to 10 times, -10dB is equal to 0.1 times

By using these to facts.

6dB is also nearly equal to 4 times (3.9811), -6db is nearly to one quarter (0.2512).

9dB is nearly equal to 8 times (7.9433), -9db nearly equal to one over eight (0.12589)

We can make it simple 3db=x2, 6db=x4, 9bd=x8 10db=x10. You just need to remember the value of 3db and 10db

You will ask 7db=?. Yes, 7db is equal 10db-3db (7db=10db-3db) =1x10/2 =5 times
So We can make the table as below.

1db=4db - 3db =2.5¡Ò2 =1.25
2db=5db - 3db=3.125¡Ò2 =1.56
3db=Inv log (3¡Ò10) =2
4db=7db - 3db =5¡Ò2 =2.5
5db=8db - 3db =6.25C2 =3.125
6db=3db + 3db =2x2 = 4
7db=10db - 3db =10¡Ò2 = 5
8db=11db - 3db =6.25
9db=6db + 3db =4x2 = 8
10db=Inv log (10¡Ò10) =10
11db=14db - 3db =25¡Ò2 =12.5
12db=9db + 3db =8x2 = 16
13db=10db +3db = 20
14db=17db - 3db = 50¡Ò2 = 25
15db=12db + 3db = 16x2 = 32
16db=10db + 6db = 10x4 = 40(or 13db + 3db)
17db= 20db - 3db = 100¡Ò2 = 50
18db=15db + 3db =32x2 = 64
19db=16db + 3db =40x2 =80
20db=10db + 10db =10x10 = 100

Meanwhile you can also calculating dBW, because 0dbW =1W.
So, 10dbW = 10W, 14dBw = 25W. -3dBW =0.5W

This method is useful for HAM who has quick result without a modern calculator. Make fun of it.
 
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by W8BBS on April 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks VR2XUF, and Ed, W1RFI, for showing me more things about decibels. Both your comments were very interesting for me.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N4XLE on April 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Who has it easier here? Somebody who understands the math of one simple formula or somebody that tries to memorize all the pages that were just written on this subject in order to 'avoid having to use math'?
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W1RFI on April 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
That depends. If you have your calculator in front of you, the easiest way to use the dB is to use the simple formulae and get the right answer. If you don't have a calculator handy, it is easier to use the mathless approach, because I don't know about you, but I can't do logs in my head. And the mathless approach does make it a lot more intuitive as to just increases or decreases dB actually represent, something that many people won't get from a forumla.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N4XLE on April 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
A key phrase in what I said was its better to understand the math. That is what was meant by 'using math'. Its an urban myth that using a calculator means using math.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by W1RFI on April 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> A key phrase in what I said was its better to
> understand the math. That is what was meant
> by 'using math'. Its an urban myth that using a
> calculator means using math.

Have you ever worked out a logarithm without a calculator? I would have to dig long and hard to recall exactly what a logarithm is, but I them on a regular basis with my calculator. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by NI0C on April 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well, if you understand that the logarithm to the base ten of a number is the exponent of ten that will result in the number, you can at least bracket the value of the logarithm. For instance, the log (base ten) of any number between 100 and 1000 is between 2 and 3. Similarly, the log to the base two of eight is three. The math really isn't that difficult-- forgotten, yes, but difficult, no.

73 de Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K4JSR on April 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Silly people!
Logarithm is a method of birth control for the lumber
industry! GEEZ!
I buy ya books, I send ya to school, I teaches all
I knows, and ya still does funny things to numbers!

Actually Noah had trouble with logs, too. After he had built his Ark out of logs, all of the furniture out of logs, etc., and had loaded the animals and was at "high flood", discovered a terrible mistake.
When he was loading the snakes on board he had erred
and loaded two male Adders. Noah was sitting at his
table grousing about his mistake when one of the Adders slithered up to him and reassured him that,
"even Adders can multiply on a log table".

I think it was the same Adder that was so destitute
that couldn't afford a pit to hiss in.

Now go and behave and have a nice day!

73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Cal, this latest post casts serious doubts on your already tenuous grip on reality. What sort of twisted, tortured mind could come up with such as this?

Time for a group hug. Lets sing Kumbaya!

PHILIP
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K4JSR on April 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Arrrrrrrrh!! There, Philip, matey!
Reality is all that is left to those who can't stand
up to the rigors of strong drink! Here, have some Stout to wash down all of those pollen boulders in the
air! AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH! Matey, 'tis getting a bit
hard to see with this here trifocal eyepatch.
Thankfully my pet parrot, Fang, keeps me from tippin'
into the briney and communing with Squirt "The Wonder
Clam". ARRRRRRRGH!!! The motion of this here vessel
is about to have me leaning over the side calling for
my favorite car dealer: RALPH!! BUICK!! in EUROPE!!
Matey, A lot of us call to Ralph when leaning over the side! Sing out for BUICK, also. Europe finishes it.
So what's the matter with my reality? It's more fun than TV! ;-)
73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Its really strange here, Sheri started playing Kumbaya after she read your last messed up post.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
On the baby grand in the living room....forgot to add that lil detail.

Philip
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KC8VWM on April 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>>>Logarithm is a method of birth control for the lumber industry! GEEZ! <<<<

...And the mathematical measurement of a Gogol is an internet search engine right?



 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by K4JSR on April 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KOE said,
"On the baby grand in the living room....forgot to add that lil detail."

My sensitive and highly trained reality replies,
"AAAAAAARGGH! AYE! 'Tis better to play Kum-ba-ya on
the Baby Grand than on the Grand Baby! AAAARRRGH!
I can see that, even with this trifocal eyepatch!
What is difficult is shooting Eight Ball with this
here wooden leg!! Got some chalk? AAAAAARRRRGH!"

And to VWM my reality goes on to say,
"AAAAARGH! Matey, everyone knows that gogol is the
secret ingredient in GOGOLA. ARRRRR! Mighty tasty
mixed with Grog! Care to join in a little four part
harmoney with Philip, you, Sheri and me in a rousing
rendition of Kum-ba-ya? You bring the Gogola,
I'll get a fifth to join us! AAAAAAARGH!"

Sometimes life is slow in beautiful downtown Bethlehem, Georgia. Sigh!
73, Cal K4JSR


 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KA4KOE on April 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
And I'll bring a straight jacket and some Thorazine for you Cal....

Time to up the amperage on those daily ECT treatments. 25A isn't having the desired effect.
 
RE: Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by KC8VWM on April 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>>>ARRRRR! Mighty tasty mixed with Grog! <<<<

I love the smell of Grog in the morning...
 
Decibels Made Easy (Without Logarithms)  
by N4DYR on June 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great article. As a lifelong logarithm-hater, long-time ham, and former professional communications technician, I've been using something like this for 25 years now.

The way I boil it down is simply 1 dB=1.26 (okay, 1.25 is close enough); 3 dB=2; 10 dB=10. Multiply or divide, depending on whether it's + or -. With that information, you can figure out any dB vs. pwr. problem.

Thanks for sharing our little secret with others; I wish the people who should be doing it were teaching it that way, instead of the LOG gobbledygook!

73.
Dave, N4DYR
 
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