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QSL, It's Not Just a Piece of Paper
Joe Gregg (N0RF)
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May 7, 2004
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QSL…It's Not Just a Piece of Paper Anymore
I don't have a handle, I have a name.
A QSL is a piece of paper, not a replacement for the word yes.
My antenna has low SWR and does not have any quantity of swr's.
At the end of my coax is found a balun, not a balum or a baylen or a baylum.
Roger is my uncle's name.
I live at home, not at a QTH, I do not have a work qth nor a home qth nor a work twenty.
I do not have a personal, but my name is Joe.
If I hear something funny, I laugh, but I do NOT say “hi hi”
I have about 5 trees in my yard, unlike those who have 70 of them and who wish them on me.
The words “By golly” do not belong in anyone's vocabulary, nor do “Roger on that” or “You Betcha.”
Every transmission does not have to start with “OK.”
Most repeaters have an end of transmission beep. Those without have a squelch tail. “Over” is not required. If the other guy can't tell it is his turn to talk, you probably shouldn't be talking to him in the first place.
If you don't have anything to say, don't get on the radio looking for a chat with someone. Be prepared to uphold your end of the conversation.
Talk to me like you would over a cup of coffee, not like some brain dead CB'er screaming into your mic blowing smoke up my tailpipe with CW prosigns, and sounding like a nut.
There's enough of us nuts on the radio, but we should make an effort to disguise ourselves at least a little bit.
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by G5FSD on May 7, 2004
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send me a tape of your QSOs and I'll point out your flaws too.
Relax, we're only human.
It's a hobby, not life and death!
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by WB2TQC on May 7, 2004
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Hmmmm I just wrote a reply to this topic and it hasn't appeared. Wonder why?
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by WB2TQC on May 7, 2004
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Guess I'll have to do it again.
You haven't done a very good job with your disguise (hi). I commute 97 miles one way to work every day. I chat on the CB every day. I don't sound like your 70's CBer. I chat, laugh, tell stories, pass information, etc just like a grown up Ham. I also work 2 meter simplex along the way whenever it's possible. I don't use CB lingo there. I talk about rigs and modes and work, etc. I, however, cannot pick up a mic and talk on the phone bands. I use to wonder why but I think you have helped me to find the reason. It's most likely the unconcious fear that I will meet someone like yourself who will begin correcting my massive mistakes while being listened to by thousands of my peers. I was once involved in a 3 way chat on a local repeater. During the introduction I made the mistake of saying "The handle here is John." The guy who followed me stated, in an obvious attempt to "teach me something", "I am NOT a teapot and therefore do not HAVE a handle. My name is Joe". Talk about being embarrassed.... I politely bowed out of the chat. I don't think I've been on that repeater since. I work lots of CW. I have a decent fist and have enjoyable QSO's in the 15 to 20 wpm range. I'm not afraid to chat. Everytime I hear some one calling CQ on the phone bands I wait for someone else to pick him/her up. After a few calls I look over at my mic and begin to feel guilty. Here's this poor person exhausting his/her vocal cords and I'm just a PTT away from helping out. But I don't....... I think I should stop caring about what you might think of my Operating techniques and just jump in and enjoy the chat. Oh and BTW I am from NYC (The Bronx) originally so I'm probably going to be one of those OPs with Seventy TREES in my backyard. Actually it will be a Seventy Tree because I know the difference between Tree and Trees :) (HI) 73,
John (WB2TQC)
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by KA4KOE on May 7, 2004
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I just tell 'em to get a life and let them eat static after a smart-assed crack like the one you mentioned.
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by N3ZKP on May 7, 2004
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<< Most repeaters have an end of transmission beep. Those without have a squelch tail. “Over” is not required. >>
OVER at the end of a transmission is always considered good operating form. While it might be eliminated in casual conversation, it is still proper for formal communications such as traffic nets, disaster operations and similar communications. If you don't like to hear thre word, don't listen when I say it. :)
<< If the other guy can't tell it is his turn to talk, you probably shouldn't be talking to him in the first place. >>
Easy to say under perfect conditions on a repeater; not so easy under marginal conditions. And yes, they do sometimes exist.
OVER.
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by LNXAUTHOR on May 7, 2004
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- kinda scary to a new ham? not quite sure what exact points are being made by this article?
- perhaps some good questions are raised though:
1. is the ARRL operating manual the definitive guide to on-air ops?
2. i thought roundtable ops on 2M repeaters were mostly the same, but with some behavior or language dictated by local custom?
3. if i have never used the CB, how can i learn to avoid inadvertently using a word or phrase associated with operation on 11M?
4. what do you do when you have Amateur Extra ops telling you different behaviors are appropriate? for example, when on 2M, one should use the phonetic 'Zed' if a Z is in a callsign, as this is good habit, or no, on 2M, don't use any phonetics unless in a first intro w/someone new to the repeater, when using a new callsign, or when joining a roundtable as a new member...
5. i thought 'Roger' was good usage? (hard habit to break after 20 years in military) - seems shorter than "Affirmative"?
6. i hear lots of folks use "well, i'm at the home QTH," and many are Amateur Extras? seems redundant?
7. 73s vs 73 seems to be another issue; my take is that if '73s' was good enough for Hiram Percy Maxim it should be good for me? (i seem to recall a URL w/a scan of one of his QSLs using '73s' in his handwriting...
8. not sure what the 'trees' comment means?
9. the word 'over' is used on our local repeaters when in a roundtable to direct a quick question and response to someone previous or out of line in the roundtable - i guess this isn't universal?
10. good reminder about balun: that's 'baah-luhn,' as in 'balanced,' not 'bail-luhn' - my tongue sometimes still trips up on this one!
- sure seems like there are some language and behavior idiosyncracies in ham radio?
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by W9RPE on May 7, 2004
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I tend to agree with John (WB2TQC). I didn't fully realize how often I don't answer a phone CQ or jump into a conversation about something I'm interested in. Then I think back to my start in the hobby in 1987 and how I used to sit for hours on end rag chewing and calling CQ and how non-judgemental most hams were even then. I hardly ever do that now and stick mostly to short exchanges in DX pileups or QSO parties. 20 meters is fast becoming a 75 meter clone in respect to the numbers of cliques of unapproachable condescending hams that stake claims to certain frequencies and seem dedicated to bad operating practices and being rude to hams who want to join the conversation. Unfortunatly there has not been much activity on other bands lately. I guess as the rest of society goes, so goes ham radio. Must be our version of road rage.
Ron
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Anal Retentives....
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by KA4KOE on May 7, 2004
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Just a lot of anal retentives out there. Everyone needs to relax, eat some good southern barbeque, and down a couple of Rolling Rocks in the backyard.
Picking nits seems to be very popular....sheeesh.
Its only radio, guys and gals.
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by K1OU on May 7, 2004
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Just wanted to say hi, won't hold it, many stations waiting, by the way, I had my gallbladder removed last month...
Last two please...
Spleeeeet!!!
Name is Ed, Echo-Delta...
See ya further down the log...
Time to modulate the pillow...
Gonna go to to a picnic and toss back some 807's...
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by KA5N on May 7, 2004
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What's the problem Joe? Got no knobs on your radio? If you don't like what you hear tune out or turn off.
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by K4CMD on May 7, 2004
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This looked so worthy of reading, I printed it to take home tonight, to read once I'm destinated.
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by KG8JF on May 7, 2004
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I get tired of the "lingo" myself but then I remember it's just a hobby. I offended someone once by saying "thanks for the comeback". He said that he did not really think that the ham bands was the place for CB shorthand. I then politely told him that I used the term "handle" when 11 meters was still a ham radio frequncy. All I can say is, "get a life".
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by K0FL on May 7, 2004
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Don't forget my favorate..It's not morris code..morris was a cat. :)
It's 73 NOT 73's..no matter how much you wish it was.
Remember lids have been on the air for decades..you have to expect them to also post here.
73 de KØFL
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by K4CMD on May 7, 2004
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Here are some handy tips from a club in Richmond, Virginia (RATS), from way back in 1993:
1) Use as many Q signals as possible. Yes, I know they were invented solely for CW and are totally inappropriate for two-meter FM, but they're fun and entertaining. They keep people guessing as to what you really meant. i.e. "I'm going to QSY to the kitchen." Can you really change frequency to the kitchen? QSL used to mean " I am acknowledging receipt," but now it appears to mean "yes" or "OK." I guess I missed it when the ARRL changed the meaning.
2) Never laugh, when you can say "hi hi." No one will ever know you aren't a long CW ragchewer if you don't tell them. They'll think you've been on since the days of Marconi.
3) Utilize an alternative vocabulary. Use words like "destinated" and "negatory." It's OK to make up your own words here. "Yeah Bill, I pheelbart zaphonix occasionally myself."
4) Always say "XX4XXX (insert your own call) for ID." Anything that creates redundancy is always strongly encouraged. That's why we have the Department of Redundancy Department. (Please note that you can follow your call with "for identification purposes" instead of "for ID." While taking longer to say, it is worth more lid-points.)
5) The better the copy on two-meter FM, the more you should phonetically spell your name, especially if it is a short and/or common one. i.e. "My name is Al. . ..Alpha Lima" or "Jack . . .Juliet Alpha Charlie Kilo." If at all possible, make up unintelligible phonetics. "My name is Bob. Billibong Oregano Bumperpool."
6) Always give the calls of yourself and everyone who is (or has been) in the group, whether they are still there or not. While this has been unnecessary for years, it is still a wonderful memory test.
7) Whenever possible, use the wrong terminology. It keeps people guessing. Use "modulation" when you mean "deviation" and vice-versa. And even if the two-meter FM amplifier you're using is a Class C type amp, and thus not biased for linear amplification, be sure to call it your "linear." Heck, refer to all FM-style amplifiers as "linears." You'll be the king of the "wrong terminology " hill.
8) If someone asks for a break, always finish your turn, talking as long as possible before turning it over. Whenever possible, pass it around a few times first. This will discourage the breaker and, if it is an emergency, will encourage him to switch to another repeater and not bother you.
9) Always ask involved questions of the person who is trying to sign out. Never let him get by with a yes or no answer. Make it a question that will take a long time to answer.
10) The less you know about the subject, the more you should speculate about it on the air. The amount of time spend on your speculations should be inversely proportional to your knowledge of the subject.
11) If you hear two amateurs start a conversation on the repeater, wait until they are 20 seconds into their contact, and then break-in to use the patch. Make sure that it's only a simple routine phone call. It's also very important that you run the autopatch for the full three minutes.
12) You hear someone on the repeater giving directions to a visiting amateur. Even if the directions are good, make sure you break-in with
your own "alternate route but better way to get there" version. This is most effective if several other Lid trainees join in, each with a different
route. By the time the amateur wanting directions unscrambles all the street names whizzing around in his head, he should have mobiled out of range of the repeater. This keeps you from having to stick around and help the guy bet back out of town later.
13) Use the repeater for an hour at a two at a time, preventing others from using it. Better yet, do it on a daily basis. Your quest is to make people so sick of hearing your voice every time they turn on their radio, they'll move to another frequency. This way you'll lighten the load on the repeater, leaving even more time for you to talk on it.
14) See just how much mobile flutter you can generate by operating at handheld power levels too far from the repeater. Engage people in conversations when you know they won't be able to copy half of what you're saying. Even when they say you are uncopyable, continue to string them along by making further transmissions. See just how frustrated you can make the other amateur before he finally signs off in
disgust.
15) Give out wacky radio advice. When a newcomer's signal is weak into the repeater, tell him he can correct the problem by adjusting the volume and squelch knobs on his radio. Or tell people they're full quieting except for the white noise on their signal. Or. . . well, you get the idea.
16) Use lots of radio jargon. After all, it makes you feel important using words average people don't say. Who cares if it makes you sound like you just fell off of Channel 19 on the Citizen's Band? Use phrases such as "Roger on that," "10-4," "You're making the trip," and "Negatory on that."
17) Use excessive microphone gain. See just how loud you can make your audio. Make sure the audio gain is so high that other amateurs can hear any bugs crawling on your floor. If mobile, make sure the wind noise is loud enough that others have to strain to pick your words out from all the racket.
18) Be as verbose as possible. Never say "yes" when you can say "He acquiesced in the affirmative by saying 'yes'." (No kidding, I actually heard that one.)
19) Start every transmission with the word "Roger" or "QSL." Sure, you don't need to acknowledge that you received the other transmission in full. After all, you would simply ask for a repeat if you missed something. But consider it your gift to the other amateur to give him solace every few seconds that his transmissions are being received.
20) When looking for a contact on the repeater, always say you're "listening" or "monitoring" multiple times. I've always found that at least a
half dozen times or so is good. Repeating your multiple "listening" ID's every 10-15 seconds is even better. Those people who didn't want to talk to you will eventually call you, hoping you'll go away after you have finally made a contact.
21) Give out repeater FM signal reports using the HF SSB R-S system ("You're 5 by 9 here.") Sure it's considered improper for FM operation and you may even confuse some people, but don't let that spoil your fun!
22) Always use a repeater, even you can work the other station easily on simplex--especially if you can make the contact on simplex. The coverage of the repeater you use should be inversely proportional to your distance from the other station.
23) If you and the other station are both within a mile or two of the repeater you are using, you should always give a signal report. ("I'm sitting under the repeater and I know you can see it from there, but you're full quieting into the repeater. How about me?")
24) In the same vein as the previous step, when monitoring a repeater, you should always give signal reports as if the repeater didn't exist. ("Yep I'm right under the repeater. You've got a whopping signal You're S-9 plus 60. That must be a great rig.")
25) On repeaters with courtesy tones, you should always say "over." Courtesy tones are designed to let everyone know when you have unkeyed, but don't let that stop you. Say "over," "back to you," or "go ahead." It serves no useful purpose, but don't worry--it's still fun.
26) Think up interesting and bizarre things to do to tie-up the repeater. The goal here is not to facilitate communications but to entertain all the scanner listeners out there. Do something original. Try to hum CTCSS (PL) tones. Sing pager tones. You're getting the idea.
27) Use the repeater's autopatch for frivolous routine calls. While pulling into the neighborhood, call home to let them know you'll be there in two minutes. Or call your spouse to complain about the bad you had at work. After all, the club has "measured rate" service on their phone line, so they get charged for each autopatch call. Your endeavor is to make so many patches in a year that cost the club at least $20 in phone bills. That way you'll feel you got your money's worth for your dues.
28) Never say "My name is. . ." It makes you sound human. If at all possible, use one of the following phrases: a) "The personal here is. . ." b) "The handle here is. . ." Normally, handles are for suitcases, but it's OK to use them anyway. Don't forget this has worked just fine for CB'ers for years.
29) Use 73 and 88 incorrectly. Both are already considered plural, but add a "s" to the end anyway. Say "73's" or "88's." Who cares if it means
"best regardses" and "love and kisseses." Better yet, say "seventy thirds." (By the way, 70 thirds equals about 23.3.)
30) Make people think you have a split personality by referring to yourself in the plural phrase. When you're in conversation and are alone at your radio, always say "We're" or "We've" instead of "I'm" or "I've" (i.e. "we've been doing this.." "we're doing that..", "we're clear"). Everyone knows you're by yourself, but when they ask you who is with you, make up somebody important like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Bill Clinton.
31) Always attempt to use the higher functions of the repeater before you have read the directions. Nothing will work, but you'll have great fun and get lots of people to give you advice.
32) Test repeater functions repeatedly (that's why they call it a repeater). Test your signal strength from the same locations several times every day. Concentrate on testing things that really matter, like the number of times the repeater has been keyed-up. That stuff is fun to track. Test the outside temperature as often as possible. The farther the temperature goes from the norms, the more often you should test it. Also, if you get a pager set to the repeater's output frequency, as soon as you receive it, set it off every 30 seconds or so until the battery runs down. Better yet, interrupt conversations to test it.
33) If the repeater is off the air for service, as soon as it's turned back on complain about the fact that it was off the air. Act as though your entire day has been ruined because the repeater wasn't available when you wanted to use it.
34) Find ways to get around the "no business" rule on autopatches. Your plan is to try and fool the repeater control operators. Invent code words your secretary at work will understand to disguise any business talk so it sounds like personal chatter. Or get to be friends with the local Domino's Pizza manager. Make it so that when you call on the patch to ask him to bring over the "floppy disk" you need to your house, he shows up 30 minutes later with a piping hot large pepperoni and sausage pie. The possibilities are endless.
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by NI0C on May 7, 2004
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Check out AA0MZ's web-site on this subject before getting too judgemental on the topic of 73's. He has evidence that the use of 73's dates back to the early days of amateur radio.
73 de Chuck NI0C
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by WB2WIK on May 7, 2004
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73's does date from the earliest days of amateur radio -- doesn't make it correct! The early wireless pioneers mostly thought that communications above ~60 MHz would prove pointless; later, other pioneers believed SSB was a passing fad. They were wrong lots of times.
I hear lots of very inappropriate jargon and operating practices on the air, and never make any mention of it. I just avoid using them, myself.
WB2WIK/6
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by W7DJM on May 7, 2004
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Ok, well, you forgot "ok", ok. You hafta use "ok", ok, in place of a comma, ok, and you hafta use "ok", ok, at the end, ok, like a period ok. Ok, of course the REAL reason, ok, that you use "ok", ok, is in place of the word "over", ok, and in place of a question mark, ok?
The "side." It's not "upper side" or "lower side, its "lower sideband".
It's not "the Washington side" or "the Idaho side" its Washington State or Idaho State.
The author of this thread isn't "alfa romeo," he just wants you all to try not to sound just plain stupid when you use a radio.
There is no such word as "destinated," I don't comprehend you telling me to "mobil safe" and "do ya gotta good copy on me" would drive your 5th grade English grammar teacher crazy if you said that in class.
I agree completely that it is ok to use occasional slang, but some people can't seem to hold a mike without going into this mode.
There used to be a prolific repeater user in this area that HAD to start out EVERY transmission with "that is affirmative" to agree with whatever the last person said, or "QSL on this, QSL on that."
Over--completely acceptable, does NOT need to be overused. In noisy, poor conditions, sometimes almost necessary.
Handle--I can see where there is discussion about this, it was used extensively when I first got my ticket in the late '60s
Personal--completely unacceptable under any conditions. My "personal" is none of your business.
Roger--I see no problem with this if not overused. If you are trying to copy information, address, phone, etc, I see nothing wrong with "roger" or QSL as a quick confirmation.
QTH--a hard one to let go of
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by N0IU on May 7, 2004
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WOW! I would love to hang the apex of my inverted Vee from this guy's nose since it is so far up in the air!
If Joe only wants to talk to people who speak "The King's English", then he picked the wrong hobby!
Let me tell you about some of the members of the club to which I belong --
First there is Dave. He will be 70 years old at the end of June. He only graduated from High School and doesn't read or write very well, but whenever anyone needs help, Dave is always the first to volunteer. I worked with Dave for five years as co-chairmen of our club's hamfest. Dave is also on our club's board of directors. He may not be the "sharpest knife in the drawer", but he has been a ham for over 25 years and is one of the most well respected, hardest working members of our club.
Next there is Jim. I am pretty sure Joe wouldn't like him either because he ends almost every other sentence with the words, "what not". Jim works for Boeing Aircraft company and is one of the most knowledgeable persons I have ever met when it comes to antenna theory and design. Jim has volunteered much of his time to teach classes in which he imparts is vast wealth of knowledge in this area.
Then there is John. He is not a ham, but rather a member of my Masonic lodge. He joined the Army after high school and eventually became a fighter pilot in WWII. He is now 84 years old and admittedly, his memory is starting to fail and he stumbles over his words. This gentleman is a true patriot and I am proud to count him among my peers.
Joe, my life is definitely richer for knowing these people, even if they don't or can't articulate as well as you think the should.
Scott Schultz NØIU
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by K1OU on May 7, 2004
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Hi Paul! See any test equipment at a hamfest lately?
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by K4CMD on May 7, 2004
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Yeah, roger on that. OK? We're in an opinion of complete agreement on that last transmission, good buddy. Let's remember that this here QSO was intended to be of the humorous variety, hi hi, QSL, OK? So please take your offended self and QSY to a bottle of Jack Daniels and a Co-Cola chaser, 10-4? We're gonna QSY to the toilet now, so 73rds and roger beep!
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by K4PIT on May 7, 2004
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Me people. I dated a red-head that was a real 'me' person, once. At least I think she was a red-head; I took her to a bar-b-que (i don't care, hi,hi) and she cought her hair on fire I think, but I couldn't stay focussed with the incessant me,me,me...ya know, everything out of her mouth was... I'M hot!..My hair is on fire! I'm sorry, but if you're too shallow to notice that I am God then this just isn't going to work.
anal genius
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by W9PMZ on May 7, 2004
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21) Give out repeater FM signal reports using the HF SSB R-S system ("You're 5 by 9 here.") Sure it's considered improper for FM operation and you may even confuse some people, but don't let that spoil your fun!
Really should be "You're 5 by 9 here but I can't understand why you have so much static on your signal"
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by KJ7XJ on May 7, 2004
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After reading all this junk, I agree with KOE. Ill take the BBQ and Rolling Rock, and let you all fuss over how to talk....73 YA'LL (C:
KJ7XJ
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by K4PIT on May 7, 2004
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That's what she said, "Thats MY song" and "Toby wrote that song about "Me"! I say hey, "fight your own gremlins and leave me the hell out of it...I'M having fun!
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by W0FM on May 7, 2004
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Hi Joe,
Just for clarification, "Handle" was a very common ham term when I got my license in 1962. While studying for my ticket, I listened to the old salts use the term with with pride. In fact, hardly anyone ever said "my name is Terry" on the ham bands back then.
The CB craze of the 70's "borrowed" some of the long-intrenched ham lingo (the term "handle" included).
Seems now, new hams who weren't around "back then" incorrectly think that the hams who migrated from CB are dragging old, CB lingo into the ham bands with them. In fact, in some cases, they are actually bringing back the historic and colorful language of amateur radio's past.
......and, did I hear someone mention a cold 807?
73,
Terry, WØFM
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by W2IRT on May 7, 2004
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As a published author (and married to a copy editor), I'm somewhat a fan of the English language. It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise normal people choose to destroy or mutilate it when talking to someone else just because the medium is a two-way radio instead of face-to-face.
One of my Elmers from the mid-70s once gave me the best piece of advice in this regard. Pretend the person you're talking to is sitting across the table from you in a restaurant. Don't shout, don't be obnoxious and there's no need to use jargon to convey your point.
OK, I'd almit to using a few things like "QSY to the 85 repeater" or "My home QTH is in Queens" (and I've been known to quaff an 807 or two with some friends once in a while). However, I have little tolerance for "Handle" (I've a handle on my briefcase and another on my axe), "Roger That" (roger this!), "QSL on that" (via the bureau, LoTW, or direct with SASE thank you) and, of course, "Best Wisheses." Feh.
One slang term used on my club's repeater by a number of operators - who should know better - is "on the side." What the hell is that? Is it like a side of beef or a side order of bacon or french fries? Is there anything wrong with just saying you're "clear," "listening," "monitoring" or "closing down" or (if you must) "going QRT?"
Call me a snob if you wish, but I frankly won't waste my time with lids who have no respect for Amateur Radio by desecrating it with poor operating practices and using remnants of language best forgotten or left on CB. I'm not expecting that each conversation I have should be with a fellow Grammar Snob, English teacher, librarian or even a cunning linguist, but I expect at least some degree of cohesive thought, a modest command of the language and a standard of operation that would do Hiram Percy Maxim proud.
After listening to the varied and sundry repeaters in this area, I daresay that the Wouff Hong should soon be retrofitted with barbed wire and be fitted with porcupine quills!
73,
Peter, W2IRT
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by K0EX on May 7, 2004
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Using CW instead, I see 11 or 12 of these things not EVEN being an issue. Thank goodness!!
-Mark K0EX
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by K0EX on May 7, 2004
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Using CW instead, I see 11 or 12 of these things not EVEN being an issue. Thank goodness!!
-Mark K0EX
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by WILLY on May 7, 2004
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RE: QSL, It's Not Just a Piece of Paper
by WB2TQC on May 7, 2004
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The guy who followed me stated, in an obvious attempt to "teach me something", "I am NOT a teapot and therefore do not HAVE a handle. My name is Joe". Talk about being embarrassed.... "
I would have been too.
" I politely bowed out of the chat."
I might have done that too.
"I don't think I've been on that repeater since."
I wouldn't do this! Enjoy the repeater! Nothing wrong with a little 'Live and Learn'. :)
Now if that same person had kept on ragging on you the next day or next week, then he would certainly have been WAY out of line. His method wasn't very polite as it was, but perhaps he was just trying to help you learn acceptable terms. The sooner you learn them, the sooner you can feel comfortable, and enjoy this mode of the hobby. Really - don't miss out over this one incident! We ALL stepped in the doo-doo a few times, as we learned.
" After a few calls I look over at my mic and begin to feel guilty. Here's this poor person exhausting his/her vocal cords and I'm just a PTT away from helping out. But I don't....... I think I should stop caring about what you might think of my Operating techniques and just jump in and enjoy the chat. "
Sure! and 'learn as you go' . Nothing wrong with that.
What is wrong, is refusing to learn from those with more experience.
"Oh and BTW I am from NYC (The Bronx) originally so I'm probably going to be one of those OPs with Seventy TREES in my backyard. Actually it will be a Seventy Tree because I know the difference between Tree and Trees :) (HI) 73, "
See? :) You've obviously learned the correct spelling and pronunciation of this term. You're on your way.
73
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Purists and Grammarians: here's Percy's QSL w/73's
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by LNXAUTHOR on May 7, 2004
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found it!
http://www.ve3sy.com/images/1aw-t.jpg
73's!
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by WILLY on May 7, 2004
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Thank you for writing this article.
It is very interesting - and the tone of the replies are interesting too.
I find it appalling that so many would reply with things like:
" send me a tape of your QSOs and I'll point out your flaws too. "
"Just a lot of anal retentives out there."
"Picking nits seems to be very popular....sheeesh. "
"WOW! I would love to hang the apex of my inverted Vee from this guy's nose since it is so far up in the air! "
While you are attemting to bring up and discuss something about ham radio operation, these folks react by attacking you. While they certainly have just as much right to express their opinion ON THE CURRENT TOPIC, when they decide to express their opinion of you instead - well, that says something about them, doesn't it? :)
Then there are some other responses, such as:
"What's the problem Joe? Got no knobs on your radio? If you don't like what you hear tune out or turn off. "
The attitude demonstrated in it seems to be more like a 'Who cares' flippant attitude.
Twenty some odd years ago, I really don't think either of these styles or attitudes was very prevalent. In other words, when I was a newcomer to ham radio, I took some good natured ribbing, learned from it, and went on. I was very glad to get any and all tidbits of advice from the 'old timers' , as I desperately wanted to learn everything I could. Further, I wanted to "fit in", and be one of them - I had tremendous respect for them. Most of them, anyway - that's part of the learning - to learn who to avoid too. :)
What is happening here, is a snap shot of ham radio, and people in general - and the direction we are moving. Instead of respecting those who know more than we do, we berate them. Instead of learning, we adopt a 'who cares' attitude.
What a shame - especially for a hobby as grand as ham radio, with its rich traditions.
Personally, I don't agree with each of your points. Perhaps 90% of them, I do.
To those that replied by questioning one or more of your points, I find that commendable. That's what a discussion forum like this is for.
To those that chose to attempt to squelch you, I'd suggest that they take advantage of a forum like this, and learn. Better to learn here, than to either be embarrased on the air by your ignorance, or to have to endure some good natured ribbing as you learn. Unfortunately, we are probably saddled with some folks that don't even want to learn.
Again, thank you for posting an interesting article.
73
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by W2IRT on May 7, 2004
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After listening to the varied and sundry repeaters in this area, I daresay that the Wouff Hong should soon be retrofitted with barbed wire and be fitted with porcupine quills!
73,
Peter, W2IRT "
Isn't that equivalent to the RettySnitch (sp) ?
>g<
Are you familiar with the term?
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by WILLY on May 7, 2004
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by LNXAUTHOR on May 7, 2004
- kinda scary to a new ham?
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Not really. They should always be encouraged to do a lot of listening - first. It works.
That, and it helps to get to know a couple other hams face to face. Even just one. That way, the new ham has somebody to comfortably talk to on the air. I'm thinking about local communications here - repeaters, etc.
Face to face, over a cup of coffed after the club meeting, it is easy to make good friends. While it is true that this may not be possible for all hams, it is possible for many.
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by K1OU on May 7, 2004
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Yep, it is I who mentioned the cold 807. Just took timeout from tweaking my Gonset Gooney Bird to prevent the Tennessee Valley Indians. Gonna throw the big switch now, so we'll catch you later up the coax!
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by K1OU on May 7, 2004
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Oops, my Gotham vertical just fell over. Guess I'll have to use the twisted pair to talk for awile.
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by KU4UV on May 7, 2004
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Isn't it interesting how the guys who post these worthless topics never have a picture or an e-mail address behind their callsign? Kind of makes you wonder.
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by G3SEA on May 7, 2004
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G5SFD said it all :)
I give my name when asked for a 'handle 'realizing that many old timers use the 'handle' expression etc.There is no need to be ' sniffy' about this or other perceived idiosyncrasies in this all encompassing hobby :)
Cheers :)
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by N0IU on May 7, 2004
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Willy (who does not have the courage to give his callsign on here) wrote: "Instead of respecting those who know more than we do, we berate them."
Because Joe choses not to converse with other amateur radio operators who do not have the same command of the English language as does he, does this mean he knows more than I do? Certainly not! It just means he is making choices.
On the contrary, he is the one berating me and anyone else who does not posses the same command of the English language as does he and therefore I am not fit to hold a conversation with him because I may, from time to time, use a colorful colloquialism on the air.
I would never think of berating someone who was genuinely trying to teach me something. Joe isn't trying to teach me anything other than I shouldn't even waste my time attempting to engage him in conversation.
Lesson learned!
Scott NØIU
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by NW5E on May 7, 2004
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Guys, give the guy a break. What he is referring to is unfortunately very true today. The doors to the hobby have been swung wind open for the sake or numbers not quality. Yes, there have been poor operators for years and there in all probability always will be. This doesn't excuse them or relieve the responsibility for them to learn the right ways or for those of us that should be setting the propoer example for them.
What we are witnessing is the "dumbing down of Amateur Radio". This has been happening for a long time now and it doesn't look like there is an end in sight. We all have an off switch and a VFO that are easily usable. Personally, that is why I do not operate repeaters. But that is another story.
The comment I love more than all made by one of the other commenters on the subject refers to 73. How many times have we all heard 73's or 73rds.
For the sake of everyones sanity, those that chose to migrate from the 27 MHz specturm, you are welcome, but we do it a little different on the Ham Bands. Learn the right way, all you do otherwise is to make an ass out of yourself. If you don't know, then no question is dumb or foolish - ask, most hams that have been around for a number of years would be pleased to answer your questions.
Gary NW5E
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by WB2WIK on May 7, 2004
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When I was first licensed 39 years ago, the term "handle" was very popular, as others have said; almost nobody said, "My name is..."
I always giggled at that. As soon as I had any "phone" privileges, I started saying, "The handle here is loose. But I'm going to tighten it down soon as I can. My name is Steve..." and almost nobody ever mentioned the "handle is loose" part. For certain, everyone was so used to "the handle" stuff that my whole joke passed right by them.
Then, a lot of people aren't very good listeners, especially on the airwaves. I recently told a contact everything about my station (since he asked), and then in the next transmission, he asked what kind of equipment I was using. So, the next time I said, "Rig here's a Lockheed L1011 with dual Rolls-Royce RB211 turbines putting out about 300 kilowatts of energy, running them around 28,000 rpm. How's that sound?" and he didn't say a word about it.
Now, I realize it doesn't matter what you say, nobody's listening very carefully, anyway!
WB2WIK/6
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by KA5N on May 7, 2004
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When I became a ham in the early 50's "handle" was used on phone and "name" was used on CW. I figured that the term "handle" had come from western movies This was when 11 meters was an amateur band. I used "over" and "out" (never "over and out") and so forth on Army Mars Radio. On the side or in the sidecar was used when there were more than two hams in a QSO (cue-so). I could go on. Today young folks seem to be unable to speak without "you know" and "whatever" "and so forth" every few words. Most "regular" people speak with some amount of slang unless they are giving an address at some meeting (and often even then). Frankly I hate the term "newbie." The term novice more correctly describes those new to ham radio (large N Novice is a license class).
What's the point? You are not going to change how people speak by acting as a know-it-all and correcting everyone's language (a practice that is rude and condescending). Nobody forced you to become a ham. If you don't like it just don't listen.
Best regards Allen KA5N
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by K6BBC on May 7, 2004
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Brilliant, JUST BRILLIANT!
And you can add “Okay, fine business” to your list of ways ham present themselves as troglodytes. It’s no wonder the world is turning their backs on us.
K6BBC
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by N5XM on May 7, 2004
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Gee, we're taking ourselves a little bit too seriously, aren't we?
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by K1CJS on May 7, 2004
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Roger dodger, ol' codger! Oh, and GET A LIFE--ITS ONLY A HOBBY.
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The point all the whiny "People don't speak no good and diss us when we correct them" folks are missing is that you need to come across on the level and lose the condescending (the first post) and snooty attitude about it and especially avoid being rude when trying to "edjumicate" people.
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by K4JSR on May 7, 2004
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Gee, this Troglodyte cannot wait for the heat of summer! This is so I can put my obese self in front of people, like the one who wrote this article and
who agree with him, and block their view. I need all of the heat of summer so that I don't just drip sweat on them, I squirt them with it! Also I get to eructate loudly in their presence because it is a
troglodyte's method of communicating in crowds.
The Right Guard "Blow outs" are also fun. As eating
carlic laced anchovie and pickled egg sandwiches and
drinking copious quantities of beer to promote profuse
sweat and aroma are considered to also be a duty that
we troglodytes enjoy. Just saying 73's, I'm destinated, I've QSY'd to the kitchen, exposing our
handles in public, and saying hi! hi! have lost the
the desired effect of offending the "elite" hams.
Awww, SHAZZBOTT! Go get a life, you gripey assed prigs! Go live on some island together where you
can extend your pinkie fingers while sipping tea and
only using proper "Queen's English" to converse.
Otherwise, look out for arm pit sweat filled water baloons hurled in your direction at hamfests.
(Think of how long it takes for one arm pit to sweat enough to fill a water baloon!)
Troglodytes, Unite!! We are burning daylight!
Bye Bye, Happy Campers!
Cal K4JSR
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by KA4KOE on May 7, 2004
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"While you are attemting to bring up and discuss something about ham radio operation, these folks react by attacking you. While they certainly have just as much right to express their opinion ON THE CURRENT TOPIC, when they decide to express their opinion of you instead - well, that says something about them, doesn't it? :)"
'Taint attacking no one, laddie. Just making an observation about people who are so rude as to correct your style over the air.
Besides, come on over, get your hands greasy on the rack of barbeque ribs in front of you, mixed with Deep Woods OFF, and enjoy the Rolling Rock. We'll play radio later, but please use a napkin as I don't want to get sauce on the PRO.
:)
YUM
P
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by KC0JBJ on May 8, 2004
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My $.02 worth:
Can't we all just get along? (nod to Rodney)
Seriously, a little jargon makes it fun when ragchewing, but should be left out when it is time for serious operating, as in disaster drills, passing message traffic, net operation, public event communications, etc.
One misconception should be cleared up however:
LNXAUTHOR wrote:
"4. what do you do when you have Amateur Extra ops telling you different behaviors are appropriate? for example, when on 2M, one should use the phonetic 'Zed' if a Z is in a callsign, as this is good habit, or no, on 2M, don't use any phonetics unless in a first intro w/someone new to the repeater, when using a new callsign, or when joining a roundtable as a new member... "
OK, (whoooops, there it is!) phonetics should only be used when plain spoken language cannot be understood. A callsign should be given phonetically if the other party is having trouble understanding. I usually try a second time without phonetics, but with better articulation and a little slower. Then I use phonetics if they still don't get it. Same with a name (or handle, if you will, but NOT a "personal"...UGGH!).
Secondly, "Zed" is NOT a phonetic. "Zulu" is the correct phonetic of the letter "Z". "Zed" is simply the British (and Aussie, I think) pronunciation of the letter "Z". U.S. hams have adopted this pronunciation for use in callsigns and Q-signals (Cue Arrh Zed!) probably for clarity to distinguish it from other letters which rhyme with "Zee" like B,C,D,E,G,P,T, and V.
Personally, I like to use Q-signals on voice. It may be jargon, but every ham worth his salt (forgive me Virginia!) knows them, or should. When used properly, they can shorten the time spent jabbering. "QSY 145.33" is a lot quicker than "Let's switch over to 145.33" or "Hey, how about changing frequency to 145.33?".
That is why you hear QSL used properly during contests. It is clear, concise, and it gets the job done in a tough situation. It should only be used to "acknowledge receipt of your transmission", in other words confirming the correct callsign and information.
"Roger" is also OK for less formally acknowledging you received the last transmission and understood it. "Roger" is a specific phonetic code for the telegraphy code "R" meaning "Received" the tranmission completely and correctly.
Also, to me "QRZed" followed by my callsign, when I think I heard someone, but did not get their callsign, is better practice than floundering with something like, "Uhh, who was that? I did not get your callsign, please give it again."
Personal-ly (sorry, I couldn't help that one!), I like saying QTH better than just saying "my location is" because it communicates that that is my transmitting location. "Home QTH", when operating mobile or portable, is therefore perfectly acceptable, because there is usually a base station at your home from which you normally operate.
OK, I like jargon, when it does not obscure the meaning to other experienced operators. And the new guys are eager to learn and "fit in", so they pick it up quickly. But yes, there are some abhorrent practices, regardless of origin, that should not be tolerated, except by the Department of Redundancy Department. Here are my favorites:
"XXØXXX, on frequency"
Of course you are, or I would not have heard you!
"XXØXXX for I.D."
Why else would you give callsigns, except for identification?
"My Best 73's"
OK, I heard the argument that even HPM used "73's" on a QSL card, but did he say it on the air? Anyway, why would anyone say "Best Best Regards's?"
"Thanks for checking in!"
One of our local club members uses this one whenever saying good-bye to someone. First of all, there is no Net operating, and he is not Net Control! I guess he heard that one on HF while listening to a SSB Net. Probably frustrated that he can't "check in" himself, since he is only a Tech who can't seem to pass the 5 WPM code test.
Was that $.02? Ok, maybe a nickel! <hi hi>
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WILLY wrote (quoting me)
>>After listening to the varied and
>>sundry repeaters in this area,
>>I daresay that the Wouff Hong should
>>soon be retrofitted with barbed wire
>>and be fitted with porcupine quills!
>Isn't that equivalent to the RettySnitch (sp) ?
>Are you familiar with the term?
Indeed I am familiar with both the Wouff-Hong and the Rettysnitch (no capital S necessary) as well as the Uggerumph.
While the Rettysnitch might indeed come close to having the end effect of a Wouff-Hong with quills and barbed/razor wire, one simply must use the correct tool for the job!
Quoting The Radio Amateur's Handbook, 1930, p. 11,
"The Wouff-Hong is amateur radio's most sacred symbol and stands for the enforcement of law and order in amateur operation." It's been expounded upon numerour times by T.O.M. over the years as being frequently required to correct bad operating practice.
On the other hand, "The Rettysnitch. . .is used to enforce the principles of decency in operating work." While perhaps one could argue that using "Handle," Q-signals, roger beeps or other such offensive behaviours may (or even *should*) in fact be considered indecent, I daresay that it's merely bad operating practice, and the Wouff-Hong should be the implement of choice. Nevertheless, a more effective/terrifying Wouff-Hong may be necessary, given the attitudes of today's Young Squirts.
73,
Peter, W2IRT
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KC0JBJ wrote
>>"Zed" is simply the British (and Aussie, I think)
>>pronunciation of the letter "Z".
I believe you have it the wrong way around. "Zed" is what the 26th letter of the alphabet is called in every English speaking country except the United States. I'm not saying one is better form that the other, that's "just the way it is." As a Canadian living in the U.S. I prefer to keep my zeds and extra-Us(as in colour, valour and honour) as I sit on my grey (not gray) chesterfield.
>>I like saying QTH better than just saying
>>"mylocation is" because it communicates
>>that that is my transmitting location.
>>"Home QTH"
While I confess to using that one myself, when you break it down, it's actually saying MORE than necessary. Home-Q-T-H - four syllables. At-Home. Two syllables. Department of Redundancy Department, indeed <grin>. I won't get into "I'm At My Home QTH."
73,
Peter, W2IRT (and VE3THX)
(another truly proud and noble animal)
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by N4UAJ on May 8, 2004
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Just a quick sidenote on phonetics on FM..sometimes when checking into a net or jumping into a ragchew my call is easily mistaken for N4UHA so sometimes you need 'em
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by K4JSR on May 8, 2004
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That's it! I have heard enough! I am about to take
a Troglodyte delegation over to the Luddite Convention
for the purpose of creating a united front against all of this sillyness. We will call ourselves The
Trogludites. Our methods will be simple and effective: While all of you complainers are at hamfests, we Troglodytes will eructate loudly with
garlic laced anchovie breath and squirt sweat on
everybody. The Luddites will be out smashing all ham
radio gear in cars, homes and wherever else they may be. This will cause everyone to have to communicate
with Drums!!! This will stop the complaining about
how people operate their radios!!! No longer will
hams be equated with CB'ers, but with one more use for their fists!
You complainers would all belly ache if you were
lynched with brand new ropes! GEEEZ!
<Smart Alec snicker off> <Sinister chortle on>
73, Cal K4JSR (Just Sweating Robustly)
<Leg Puller OFF>
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by K4JSR on May 8, 2004
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What N4UAJ said is correct. My call frequently gets
copied in strange ways also. But I don't think that
they are being anal retentive! :-D
Back to the Sweat shop!
Philip, please pass some of that garlic marinated
barbecued O'Possum with anchovey sauce. And that Vodka
and Garlic Juice Martini is quite tasty! ;-)
Just think friends and happy campers, Radio Smell-
ephony is the next (BELCH!) great mode for ham radio!
(Right Guard Blowout #79)!!
73, Cal "Troglodytes have more fun!" K4JSR
(BRAP! GURGLE! FIZZZ! SWEAT SQUIRT! BELCH!)
PS. Political Correctness *NEVER* interferes with
being a Troglodyte! :-D
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by K8UPA on May 8, 2004
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Just a lot of anal retentives out there. Everyone needs to relax, eat some good southern barbeque, and down a couple of Rolling Rocks in the backyard
Couldn't have said it better. Relax, have a homebrew, it's only a hobby.
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by W5HTW on May 8, 2004
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Yup. When I got into ham radio (1956) "handle" on phone, "name" on CW. Figured it came from the Roy Rogers Westerns. "Howdy, partner, the handle here is Buck." ("handle: Something to grab you by")
'QSL. I'm here in Bumfiddle, Kentucky, QSL?"
"QSL. I'm not down there in Bumfiddle, Kentucky, QSL?"
"Yeah, QSL. I never thought you were. QSL?"
"That's a big QSL (Does this tell us where this came from??) I didn't want you to think that, QSL?"
"QSL, was wondering if you'd think that, QSL?
Whoops. A brief pause while I throw up.
Ah, continuing.
Yeah, a bit of jargon is fine. After all, ham radio is a hobby of traditions. But there IS a qualifying factor - the jargon should be ham radio jargon, not CB jargon. Sounds a bunch better.
"The personal here is also very personal."
No, I'm not on the side. I'm on my butt.
"For ID?" Well, yeah, if I hafta. Can I just do it till I'm nearsighted? "Hi. My name here, for name's sake, is Ed."
"Numbers to ya." That's sorta like "Seventy-thirds." What was that up above about jargon?
OK, since I work mostly (but not all) CW, a lot of this doesn't really bother me. And since I use repeaters about once a year, that doesn't bother me much either.
"FB?" "Fine business?" Oddly I have always felt a bit self-conscious using some of these ham expressions on voice, even back 40 years ago. To be honest, I can't recall using "73" on voice. I just say "Hey, take care, see you later and I hope you have a great day." I do use FB and 73 on CW - yielding to tradition, I guess. On voice I don't recall using "QTH" in years and years, either. I'm not sure, since I don't do that much voice operating, but I think I say things like "I'm located in Estancia."
Phonetics? They have their place. I have noted that my amateur radio license has 'W5HTW' shown in the call sign block, not WHISKEY FIVE HATE TO WORK" so when I'm doing what I figure is a legal ID, I use 'W5HTW" without phonetics. Then, if the other fella didn't get it, yes, indeed I do resort to 'standard' phonetics - W5HTW, WHISKEY FIVE HOTEL TANGO WHISKEY. Why? Tradition, I reckon. But if conditions don't warrant phonetics, he doesn't get them. And if he does get them, he gets them in addition to the legal call sign, not in lieu of it. If he asks me how to spell the town where I live, I'll be happy to, using standard phonetics. And guess what? Even on weak CW DX, I have actually resorted to standard phonetics to help the *furriner* get my call correct!
"QSY to the kitchen?" Nah, I think I'd rather say "I'm gonna sign off now and go to the kitchen and see if the wife (not XYL) has dinner cooking yet. Take care, and see you another time."
But ... if you catch me on CW, you'll find me using Q signals, abbreviations, and (gulp) even "73."
73. I'd be on the side but my ribs hurt from chuckling over all this junk so I'll just stay on my butt for now.
Ed
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by KB9ERU on May 8, 2004
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<Just a lot of anal retentives out there. Everyone needs to relax, eat some good southern barbeque, and down a couple of Rolling Rocks in the backyard.>
Now we're talking! KA4KOE needs to post the recipe for that good 'ol southern barbeque so we can all get to eatin'.
Now I know why I don't like repeaters or ragchewing anymore. It's those anal retentive folks like y'all. No one wants to get on the ray-did-ee-o and get corrected for his/her speechin'.
How about a better topic, like "QSL, why do I have to pay to receive one"?
I don't mind at all sending a little bread for a DXpedition card. I am very thankful for those that can go out and work the pileups day and night for us. It's nice to support the trip and card printing.
But what about those at the HOME QTH? I'm not talking about the poor country folk that built a radio out of car parts and can't afford cards, I mean the rest of the middle-class folk like me. If I took the time to send one out your way, how about throwing me one back?
Had a guy in New Zealand send me his card and a SASE air mail back to him. There was a note that said he collects postage from all countries, so I send him more than enough stamps to cover mine. It's pretty bad that a guy has to resort to SASE's with his QSL's to get cards back! Sheesh!
...Now where's that Barbeque? :)
Mick KB9ERU
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by N6AJR on May 9, 2004
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First , what does any of this have to do with a QSL???
Now for the rest.. I learned "radio talk " first in the boy scouts, roger, roger, and some of those habits are still with me.
Then I went into the service in aricraft electronics and spent time on the radio there with uncle sam, able, baker, charlie, over and out.
Then I spent 28 years with the state of calif on radios, 10 of those years as a dispatcher , adam, boy, charles, 10-7 10-8, and 10-23.
Some where along the line (1978 to be exact) I became a Ham and picked up that lingo too, qsl, qrt, 73, 88's, america, bravo, canada.
I was even a CB'er in the early days, pre- 40 channel good buddy!
So tell me that I am wrong for using any of them and I will politely tell you to stuff it. I really don't care how you say it, I just want to "visit "with you on the air, ssb, fm, am, cw, psk31, rtty, its all there to visit on.
Don't tell your friends how to talk, or they won't be friends for long.
73 and gud DX tom N6AJR
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by KI7G on May 9, 2004
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I personally have no problem with folks using Q codes or 73 on phone. It’s a little weird but it’s a part of Ham radio culture. I DO cringe when I hear CB lingo or fake southern accents on Amateur radio, however.
When I was a kid at the hight of the CB craze, my father broke down and purchased us a Radio shack base CB. We set up the antenna together and fired the thing up. There was so much profanity, jamming and pure nonsense on the radio that my dad took it back the next day and enrolled us both in an Amateur radio class at the local science museum. We never looked back. (BTW, NO ONE can compare what we hear to anything on 75 meters. I have NEVER heard stupidity to this degree anywhere on ham radio...ever).
I don't mind when people move up from CB to amateur radio. But have some self respect, DON'T use "ten codes,” DON’T say "By golly," Don't ask me my "handle." If you have a QTH that's great - That's Ham, but you don't have a "Twenty" on the amateur bands. You've moved to a new and better level with it's own unique culture. It’s time to leave the CB nonsense behind.
Arden KI7G
PS I have no idea how any self-respecting amateur could "move back and forth" between CB and amateur radio. To me, that would be like moving back and forth between a cesspool and a swimming pool.
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by WB2TQC on May 9, 2004
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Arden,
You don't automatically turn into a blithering idiot whenever you hold a CB Mic in your hand. I meet mostly the same people everyday. For my 1 hour and 40 minute drive (Pushing it) they are my friends. YES we share "bear" reports. Full Grown, Polar, and Local. We also share accident reports and go-round information. We help each other out in emergencies. In the dead of winter, in the dark, on a 90+ mile forested two lane, up here in the northeast it's comforting to know there are people out there who you can talk to. It does get pretty lonesome sometimes. I consider myself to be a very self respecting amateur operator. I operate in the best manner I can on whatever frequency I am on. There are all sorts of lifestyles in the world. Giving respect STILL get's you respect. 73,
John (WB2TQC)
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by WA4MJF on May 9, 2004
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I use WA4MJF for ID when 10 minutes
has almost run since the last time
that I ID'd. I always say over
(or out,if I'm finished)
when I'm through, but some hams
think hearing your ID means the same as
over. The for ID means that I'm IDing
to meet Part 97, but not through with
talking.
When IDing at the end, I say this
is WA4MJF, over or when it's over
(pun intended) this WA4MJF seven
three out.
73 de WA4MJF SK
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by WA4MJF on May 9, 2004
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I guess I left out of the second
para that the this WA4MJF over
is used when there is a "danger" that 10 minutes
might run before I speak again.
If that is not a problem, I just say
over and ID at begining, middle or
end of transmission as the clock
dictates. All y'all might be surprised
how many times hams hear an ID w/o the
for ID and immediately start talking
without waiting for a proword to inciate
it is their turn.
What is really bad is those who don't
use prowords and many dual transmissions
occur.
73 de Ronnie
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by K4JSR on May 9, 2004
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Somehow I cannot make myself believe that KA4KOE's
barbecue has the only ribs on this thread! :-D
Pass some ribs and an ice cold Foster's over here, please. Even a Troglodyte can't turn down good
barbecue! Got any Brunswick Stew to go with that,
Philip? I might as well stop and eat some good
barbecue. Trolling has been lousy the past few days!
Pass me some of that Cole Slaw, too, please! :-D
AAAAAAAAAAAH!
Tomorrow let's go to the Crab Shack out on Tybee Island! Thin is has been! Fat's were it's at!
73, Cal K4JSR
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by AB5XZ on May 9, 2004
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Hmm.
I had a "handle" in 1959, before the FCC gave away 11 meters to the CBers. I still use it but I don't call it a "handle".
73TomAB5XZ, not a teapot.
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by K9NYO on May 9, 2004
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Lighten up! I don't like it when somebody says "73's" any more than the next guy, but I consider it impolite to get on-air and point it out. I'm no radio cop.
There's jargon in every hobby...common lingo helps pull people together. Why the heck is the ARRL's magazine called "QST". Why is there a "CQ" magazine or the old "73". Because these are ham words...they're ours. If a guy wants to use them on-air and sound goofy, it's his right.
Personally I would never say "destinated", but when I get home, I like to sign off by saying "73"...it's fairly well accepted, but sometimes I just say "talk to you later". If I hear a guy say "wall-to-wall and treetop-tall", I'll definitely tell him he's a tad high on the dial for that kind of talk, but we don't need guys out there trying to teach other guys lessons on-air. If you don't have anything nice to say, then go over to the cranky OF net or repeater.
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by SIREX on May 9, 2004
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I am a new ham and use roger, QTH, QSL, among other various terms. When I am having a hard time hearing someone I say "QTH please" instead of saying "where do you live" I find it is easier to get "QTH please" thru than a longer sentence. Who cares what someone says or how they say it. I just want to talk to as many people as I can. So far I have some really intelligent and friendly people. I even talked to a guy who flew the flying boats in the 1940's. I don't care how we converse as long as we have a good time. I hate to sound rude but I hope I never meet the guy who wrote this article on the air.
Also If you need an SASE or don't QSL please post it on QRZ or something. I really enjoy qsl cards. Remember how you felt when you got your first qsl card. I feel that way now and would appreciate returns. Thanks to everyone who returns QSL cards.
73
KC9FFU
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Johnny Harris Barbeque
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by KA4KOE on May 10, 2004
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"First , what does any of this have to do with a QSL???"
Plenty...I QSL your receipt (sic) of the Johnny Harris BBQ sauce for my ribs.
Being the cultured knave that I am (BUUUURRRRPPPP), I have been known to down a Guiness every once in a while, but that's when I'm eating bait (sushi).
I QSL your receipt (sic) of the wasabi for my sushi.
Ah yes!!
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by N0RF on May 10, 2004
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This has been a very interesting study in communication. The conclusions to which many have jumped, the personal attacks and the defense of same really point out our diversity.
Ham radio is fun, communication is fun. Operating styles differ from op to op and that adds to, or reflects the diversity.
As a communication edeavor, one prime goal of all of us should be to constantly improve our communication skills.
We are creatures of habit. If someone followed most of us around for 3 or 4 days, they'd know our complete routine, and could predict accurately what we'd be doing at any given time of any given day. The funny thing is, we don't even realize it most of the time, unless something happens to disrupt our routine.
Our communication follows this same pattern. We fall into habits of speech, using certain words or phrases without thinking about it. We become accustomed to it, and don't even realize what we're saying.
Once in a while we all, and that includes me, of course, need to examine ourselves and see if we have repetitive speech patterns or things we use as filler, that don't add to our expression.
I'm not saying any of these things are inherently bad or inappropriate, just that if they don't add to our communication skills, perhaps they are not necessary.
The Elmer who taught the Novice class back in Booneville, Mo when I was studying for my first license stressed the importance of being a good operator. That is important to me, thanks to his good efforts. I think it should be important to everyone.
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by K4JSR on May 10, 2004
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KOE: Ummmmmm! Kemo-Wasabi, After you put the Johnny
Harris Barbecue Sauce on your ribs do you;
1) Have any left to put on your Barbecue?
2) Doesn't your XYL get upset over all of that sauce
getting all over the inside of your shirts from
your ribs?
3) Is barbecue sauce a good sun screen?
4) Do you, after putting the sauce on your ribs, refer
to your under arms as "Barbecue Pits"?
Inquiring Troglodytes want to know! And I am certain that all followers of this thread are waiting with
Sushi (Baited) breath for your pithy response!
73'sesesss Cal The destinated but not marinated
Troglodyte K4JSR
PS. We troglodytes are grateful for the discovery of
fire. You just don't know how difficult it was
before then to barbecue! Everything was Sushi!
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by KB9ERU on May 10, 2004
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KA4KOE,
Thanks for posting the super secret BBQ sauce. I'm off to get some. Their website sure looks good with that rack of ribs on it :)
Thanks!
Mick KB9ERU
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by KA4KOE on May 10, 2004
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JSR:
I wouldn't even venture a response to that last cannonade of yours....kinda like trying to stop a tsunami with a roll of Hefty paper towels.
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by W3DCG on May 11, 2004
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Re the BBQ and napkin...
I wouldn't worry about getting sauce on the Pro II so much as, I'd be eXtremely careful, to not get Backwoods Off anywhere near touching the rig.
Especially if it gets on your fingers.
I have made indelible finger imprints on plastic/vinyl surfaces with Backwoods Off on my fingers.
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by W3DCG on May 11, 2004
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Oh, and regarding the article, I enjoyed it. Sure we needn't take ourselves too seriously. However, articles on this topic should be written occasionally.
One of the major differences between Amateur and other services has traditionally been, that most, or many, ham operators strived to practice good operating habits and skills. Avoiding lingo, while excersizing standardized procedure was often within the personal aspirations of many if not most, ham radio operators. Hopefully, this is still true today. At least for some. I would rather believe that most people, wish to improve their operating skills and practices.
The operator who does not mis-use Q signals, who properly ID's, who is courteous, who listens actively, imparts more meaning in less space, who transmits words clearly, enunciates well, and utilizes proper grammar most of the time, stands out.
Everyone can become a target for ridicule- we've seen it happen to those who stood out because of excellence, and those who simply stood out, targeted for no good reason.
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by K4JSR on May 11, 2004
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KOE; Gee, thanks Philip. Trolling all week has been
lousy. I guess I'll have to go to California and New York for some expert lessons! :-D
So not even the stronger picker uppers will work?
SIGH! I guess if at first I don't succeed, TROG, TROG, TROG again!
At least as an engineer you will understand all of the Trogonometric functions! There is your secant
chance to come after me! No calculus. You do not want to derive people crazy!
Later, Dudes! Cal K4JSR The Troglodude
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by KA4KOE on May 12, 2004
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Thanks Cal. You're such a good friend would you Cosine a loan application for me?
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by K4JSR on May 12, 2004
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No, Philip. I am too busy laying on the beach becoming a Tan Gent.
Secant, tangent, cosine, log...
Philip, KOE, barbecue a hog!
And be quick about it! Half of Eham is lined up for
some of that barbecue!
If you were testing a lynch rope for dielectric break-
down, would you use a Hi-pot-a-noose tester?
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by KE4ZHN on May 12, 2004
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Live and let live. I dont care for 10-4 good buddy talk on the amateur bands myself, but its not worth having a coronary over. My rig has a vfo and a band switch. As the testing requirements get easier to pass, this influx of cb type operation is inevitable. Only thing we can do is elmer them, or try to, some dont want to be elmered under any circumstances. These are the ones who will hang themselves. Just give them enough rope.
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by KA4KOE on May 12, 2004
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I thought dielectric was what happened when they strapped the condemned into "Ole Sparky" at Reidsville State Prison?
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by WB4QNG on May 15, 2004
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It must be nice to be perfect. I did miss somthing. I guess because I am not perfect. What did this have to do with QSL?
Terry
WB4QNG
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by WA2JJH on May 16, 2004
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KA4KOE is right on the money. Dont worry be hsppy.
I save my anger for issue's that really affect my life.
Instead of complaining about the offending behavior, elmer them and in nice way point it out.
It dont take no brain to complain.
One must be smart to make others do their part.
On the other hand if this post is done tongue in cheek, that can be cathartinc.
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by CALISTA on May 16, 2004
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Hello, my name is Calista & I am currently studying to take the Technician Class licensing exam. I read most of what has been posted on this topic, and felt compelled to reply. I have been around amateur radio for many years, as my fiance & several friends are licensed operators. My interest in the hobby has come partially from their involvement, but also in my experiences with & observations of other hams, who don't know and love me. The negativity I am hearing here on both sides of this issue is contrary to the principles of support, encouragement, acceptance & "universal brotherhood" that have aided my decision to pursue this hobby. Furthermore, I think that for the most part, these complaints of "misconduct" seem petty. If someone is using their equipment or a repeater improperly, fails to identify his station, "steps on" another transmission, etc., it would probably be a good thing to correct that mistake. But we're talking about words, here. Just because someone uses a term in a way other than that for which it was originally intended, or "borrows" a term from CB or elsewhere, shouldn't make them considered a "poor operator". We all have different ways of thinking & speaking, and ham radio is supposed to transend those differences. And from the standpoint of a VERY new (not yet licensed) ham, I have enough to worry about with frequency ranges & allocations, FCC rules & regulations, Ohm's law & electronic theory. I don't need to worry that people won't want to talk to me if I say "73s" instead of "73".
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by K8MHZ on April 9, 2006
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As evidenced by 1AW's card, 73's may be used, but only properly when accompanied with 'QSS' to indicate the use of the archaic. Please note that the use of the archaic is only proper when used with archaic calls, like 1AW.
Also note that in the US calls that start with numbers, QSS, and 73's are, and should be treated as history. The sooner that the use of 73's becomes history the better.
If one insists on using colloquials, archaics or even passive anachronisms on the air they should be treated with respect *on the air*. Once out of site of reliable witnesses, the use of brutal force via Wouffhong, Rettysnitch or replicas thereof is recommended.
All in favor?
.73 x 10 to the second power singular,
Mark K8MHZ
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by K8MHZ on April 9, 2006
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Calista,
Best of luck with your exam. Getting a ham ticket was one of the best things I have ever done. Remember, eHam is NOT HAM RADIO!!
Ham radio is fun, interesting, rewarding and the maker of great friends on a world wide basis.
Hope you pass on your first try!
Best wishes,
Mark Derby,
Licensed Earthling
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by K8MHZ on April 9, 2006
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I think all of you that are getting your unmentionables in an uproar missed the most important part of the post....
"There's enough of us nuts on the radio, but we should make an effort to disguise ourselves at least a little bit."
Sometimes ya feel like a nut,
Sometimes ya don't.
219 thirds,
Mark K8MHZ
A vanity call
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