Utility Encounters Mixed Success in Avoiding Amateur Spectrum with BPL:
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Utility Encounters Mixed Success in Avoiding Amateur Spectrum with BPL:
Amateurs in the Raleigh, North Carolina, area say electric utility
Progress Energy and Broadband over Power Line (BPL) equipment provider
Amperion have had "some success" in their efforts to avoid using Amateur
Radio spectrum on overhead lines in their BPL field trial areas. But
problems persist, and the process is far from quick and simple, says ARRL
North Carolina PIO Gary Pearce, KN4AQ, who has been among local amateurs
closely monitoring the Progress Energy/Amperion BPL trial. Their
experiences could indicate what amateurs may face in areas where BPL is
widely deployed.
"The mitigation process at this iteration of Amperion's hardware is
neither simple nor precise," Pearce said earlier this month. Progress
Energy/Amperion essentially are attempting to "notch out" or completely
avoid ham radio frequencies, since hams have been the only HF users so far
to file interference complaints. Complicating the effort, he says, is that
the process is largely hit or miss, requiring field monitoring and
feedback and sometimes another attempt to nail the target.
Pearce says he and Wake County ARES Emergency Coordinator Tom Brown,
N4TAB--an engineer with extensive RF experience--met the week of April 5
with Progress Energy network engineer Bill Godwin at the so-called Phase
II BPL trial areas to review the BPL spectrum in use. Amateurs also
monitored the system using an Amateur Radio mobile station some 75 feet
from the line.
"Bill Godwin had a chart showing where BPL could operate and avoid ham
bands, and Amperion had adjusted its system to comply with that chart,"
Pearce said. Among other issues, Amperion missed the mark on 20
meters--starting a BPL signal block on 14.300 MHz instead of 14.350 MHz,
he pointed out.
Pearce attributed the problem to a likely error in calculating the
spectrum needed. BPL spectrum block edges "are not brick walls," he said,
but taper off, with progressively weaker carriers remaining audible up to
100 kHz away, depending on the noise floor. "The remaining signals are
very weak but would bother a home station within a city block or two of
the power line." The goal is to be able to place BPL on a line in the
immediate vicinity of a ham.
Unclear at this stage is whether the "notching" scheme will work in a
more-dense BPL environment. "More spectrum can be used below 7 and above
30 MHz, but Amperion prefers to remain between 7 and 30 MHz," Pearce said.
"If this spectrum can be rotated between line segments, and the notches
can be deepened some, they may satisfy the concerns of hams for the
Amateur Radio spectrum." But, he adds, no efforts are under way to avoid
other shortwave frequencies.
"We appreciate this proactive attempt," Pearce said. "We will point out
again that there are other public uses and users of the spectrum in
between the ham bands." Amateur Radio operators "cannot sit back and say,
'Well, our problem's solved. Good luck with yours!'" Pearce says.
He says that for this reason alone, the North Carolina amateurs still
consider BPL a flawed concept. And, while he credits Progress Energy and
Amperion with cooperating to resolve amateur interference issues
piecemeal, "we just want to make sure that everyone understands where the
goal line stands."
Source:
The ARRL Letter
Vol. 23, No. 16
April 16, 2004
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by KD5IR on April 19, 2004
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.........looking ahead just alittle you can SEE where this issue of close Proximity is going to become a test area for Hams. Lets suppose that BPL has been established in an unincorporated area Close to a Rural town and NO hams were in Residence , i.e....NO complaints. SO, Joe (Rag Chew, K5ASS) Smith moves in and immediately detects Noise from BPL. He files a complaint with the Utility and their response is.....Well , sorry, you're just one Ham and you got here after the fact and it's just TOO expensive to try and MitigateEliminate the Minimal level of interference you MIGHT be receiving from OUR equipment. SO, old JOE, starts Transmitting with a 1.5kw signal legally, and the BPL folks start getting all kinds of complaints that there is interference from Joe's legal signal. The Utility immediately notifies the FCC and the Do Do hits the Fan folks. Who, Praytell, will the FCC, give Precedence TOO , in this Scenerio??? My prediction is that ....Joe, is going to Loose. We, shall See...s.kuteman , Kd5ir
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by KE1MB on April 19, 2004
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Not if Joe goes mobile with his 1.5kw...
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by W2IRT on April 19, 2004
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So long as Part 15 still protects licensed services, Joe will do just fine. I'm just wondering how long the Amateur Service will be protected by Part 15 once this gets rolled out on a wide-scale basis.
What's even more disturbing is that the art of shortwave broadcast and utility listening will die completely once BPL starts nation-wide. This has to be stopped dead in its tracks, period.
73,
Peter, W2IRT
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by KD5IR on April 19, 2004
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..............I, HAVE AN APOLOGY TO MAKE ....To K5ASS. I didn't think that this was AN Active Call. It, Is an active Call and I meant NO disrepect. I , just pulled it out of the AIR, without checking First. Stupid old ME.......sanford kuteman , kd5ir
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by KT5X on April 20, 2004
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Among the complaints one should be lodging ought to be the complaint that "I can not copy licensed short wave broadcast on such a such a frequency because of interference from unlicensed BPL operation." The more complaints of all sorts the better.
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by W1RFI on April 21, 2004
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> So long as Part 15 still protects licensed services, > Joe will do just fine. I'm just wondering how long
> the Amateur Service will be protected by Part 15
> once this gets rolled out on a wide-scale basis.
How long has Part 15 protected amateur radio from interference to DSL, wired telephones, etc? What is the FCC position wrt fundamental overload of all sorts of consumer equipment? What does the FCC say about interference to cable TV due to ingress?
> What's even more disturbing is that the art of
> shortwave broadcast and utility listening will die
> completely once BPL starts nation-wide. This has to > be stopped dead in its tracks, period.
Interference to international shortwave broadcast is protected and if people experience such interference, they should report it. Unfortunately, most SWLs won't be able to identify BPL or know who to report it to.
Ed Hare, W1RFI
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by KF7CG on April 23, 2004
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MY turn to get political Bill,
"I never had sex with that woman." Clinton
"BPL doesn't cause harmful interference to mobile operation." PECO
Same quality of statement. Not content with just matching a former world class prevaricator, PECO continues that their remaining emissions in the Amateur bands also do constitute harmful interference.
Bill if they are paying you to comment here, "The check is in the mail."
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by KF7CG on April 23, 2004
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MY turn to get political Bill,
"I never had sex with that woman." Clinton
"BPL doesn't cause harmful interference to mobile operation." PECO
Same quality of statement. Not content with just matching a former world class prevaricator, PECO continues that their remaining emissions in the Amateur bands also do constitute harmful interference.
Bill if they are paying you to comment here, "The check is in the mail."
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by K8SWL on April 24, 2004
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They always mention people in close proximity to the power line in question. Have they ever considered how propagation may enter into it. I've worked 600 miles into a crappy loaded dipole with 150 milliwats on 40 meters. I guess the BPL signal won't propagate.
More ot come
Mike K8SWL
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