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BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in Congressional Hearing:

from The ARRL Letter, Vol 23, No 21 on May 22, 2004
Website: http://www.arrl.org/
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BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in Congressional Hearing:

A BPL industry witness this week told a House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet hearing that the extensive National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) broadband over power line interference study draws "generalized conclusions," some of which are "inaccurate." Jay Birnbaum, vice president and general counsel of BPL provider Current Communications Group LLC http://www.currentgroup.com/ was among those answering lawmakers' questions during the May 19 hearing, "Competition in the Communications Marketplace: How Convergence Is Blurring the Lines Between Voice, Video, and Data Services." ARRL CEO David Sumner called it "interesting" that a BPL spokesperson would try to downplay the significance of the NTIA's findings.

"Clearly, the report has the BPL industry worried--as well it should," Sumner said. "Anyone who gets past the introduction and actually reads the body of the NTIA study can only conclude that NTIA's findings are devastating to the case for BPL."

Among other observations, the NTIA acknowledged that BPL signals "unintentionally radiate" from power lines, but said there's "substantial disagreement as to the strength of the emissions and their potential for causing interference to licensed radio systems."

The subcommittee members questioning Birnbaum included Oregon Republican Greg Walden, W7EQI, one of two amateur licensees in the US House. Walden asked Birnbaum to address the BPL interference issues that the NTIA report and the amateur community have raised.

Birnbaum responded that he thinks interference concerns about BPL are unfounded and that the FCC agrees. BPL emissions from power lines, he asserted, are at very low levels and dissipate very quickly with distance. Current Technologies is field testing a BPL system in Potomac, Maryland and has a 50-50 partnership with Cinergy to deploy a full-blown BPL system in the Cincinnati area. The Maryland system employs the HomePlug Alliance standard, which notches all HF amateur bands except 60 meters.

The ARRL documented a visit to the Potomac test area on its Web site http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/#Video. The Potomac site is identified as "Trial Area #1" under "Video showing results of ARRL testing in MD, VA, PA and NY." BPL interference heard outside amateur bands at the Potomac site sounds like severe, irregular pulse-type noise.

Birnbaum also told Walden that BPL is "literally undetectable" tens of meters away, although he indicated that there's disagreement on the issue. Walden said he just wants the interference addressed technically--"especially driving under power lines."

The NTIA, which conducted measurements at three different BPL field trial sites, said that while radiated power "decreased with increasing distance," the decay was not always predictable. At one measurement location with a number of BPL devices, the NTIA said, "appreciable BPL signal levels (ie, at least 5 dB higher than ambient noise) were observed beyond 500 meters from the nearest BPL-energized power lines."

The NTIA study further calculated that interference "is likely" to mobile stations in areas extending to 30 meters and to fixed stations in areas extending to 55 meters from a single BPL device and the power lines to which it's connected. Interference to systems with "low to moderate desired signal levels," such as those common in ham radio, is likely within areas extending to 75 meters for mobiles and 460 meters for fixed stations, the NTIA study said.

Responding to a question from New Hampshire Republican Charles Bass, Birnbaum said the BPL industry would be pleased if Congress could provide tax or financial incentives, especially for improving the power grid.

Birnbaum suggested that while utilities have been slow to act on BPL, they will begin to deploy BPL systems over the next year or two. The biggest issue, he said, is the incentive for utilities to invest in broadband technology.

Source:

The ARRL Letter Vol. 23, No. 21 May 21, 2004

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BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in Cong  
by AE1X on May 22, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Is it interesting that this Lawyer with no technical qualifications would attempt sweep a heavily technical report away with damaging proof contrary to the industry position and then have nerve to ask for a truely technical report. Who is he kidding. I wish Congress Walden had taken him to task concerning his qualifications to make such statements. I understand that this lawyer had to take this position and it is well known that lawyers will lie when it suites their clients needs.

The whole issue here is what constitutes HARMFUL INTERFERENCE. This is a subject that can not be defined by a specific definition. What constitutes HARMFUL INTERFERENCE in the amateur spectrum and what is HARMFUL in another can and will be entirely different, but the industry would have us believe that there is one single definition and it is their definition that matters.

Ken, AE1X
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by W1RFI on May 22, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To Progress Energy in Raleigh, the interference they could fix was harmful interference. Their lawyer says that the interference they can't fix is not harmful interference. No surprises there.

Progress Energy's field Comments in the BPL NPRM were interesting, to say the least. The FCC says that the BPL systems should be tested at 3 typical locations at maximum power, then allowed to deploy without further testing. Progress says that they should be able to test the equipment at less than maximum power, then deploy it a maximum power if needed without further testing. The FCC says that the equipment should be tested at its maximum data rate. Progress says that the maximum data rate may be much faster than systems operate, so they should be able to test at lower speed. Now, I sure don't believe that these systems would have fast capability that is not going to be used in actual installations.

It goes downhill from there, where they say that they won't cause interference, that if they do cause interference, they will mititage it, then they go on to say that amateurs have "alleged" interference that isn't really interference so it doesn't have to be fixed. Oh yeah, they did promise to correct any interference to non-amateur interference the way they correct all interference.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by N7UQA on May 23, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This response was certainly to be expected. I guess the most technically competent are all wrong and the most technically incompetent (lawyers) are always right. How can this guy even spew this garbage and keep a straight face? I have to put up with enough noise from the grid as it is, but at least it's intermittent. I don't want the power company spewing broad band RF into my house that will radiate in every polarization off the wiring in my house 24/7 no matter what it's purpose. Do you really expect that the power company would want me to couple the output of my full legal limit amplifier back into the grid to use those wonderfully long antennas they so conveniently connect to my house? I think not.
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by KF7CG on May 23, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There is no point in connecting your amplifier to the power lines. The power companies have declared that RF injected into power lines doesn't radiate.

They might make a neat dummy load for testing though!

I guess that is why I no longer see ads for the powerling TV antenna devices. Back in the heyday of off the air reception, these devices were quite common.
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by N4BE on May 24, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let's start a new contest: Most number of contacts made running max legal limit in the presence of BPL interference. Get extra points for HF antennas close to power lines. Why? Well let's see how well the BPL equipment can stand up to high power HF RFI. They are required to withstand interference (FCC Part 15?). Let's give 'em a test. A hot and heavy HF contest every day, every night.
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by N4BE on May 24, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
What I'm saying is if my legal limit signal radiated from a log periodic beam which just happens to be aimed right at the power line causes problems with BPL, then that's too dam bad. Geez, I never had a problem with power line interference before. Will we now have to form PLI committees (Power Line Interference), like the old TVI committees? Not on my nickel. Think I'll buy some new tubes for the linear amplifier collection.
 
BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in Cong  
by WB1FPA on May 24, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It will work just like all other matters in USA. Just follow the MONEY...
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by AK4P on May 24, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm surprised someone hasn't developed a stress test for the BPL interface boxes, like how well do they stand up to a 30-30 round or two?
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by L1D on May 25, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ed,

Does Part 15 have any power limitations? If not I think it should be amended to include a limitation on output power just like in Part 97. Except is should be in about 1 microwatt... I can hear milliwatt signals from here to CO (i'm on the east coast), so I figure a micro-watt out to be the limit.
 
RE: BPL Industry Official Disputes NTIA Report in  
by W1RFI on May 26, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Does Part 15 have any power limitations?

Some parts of it do, such as the rules for spread-spectrum devices, as one example.

In general, though, Part 15 sets conducted emissions limits below 30 MHz and radiated emissions limits above 30 MHz for unintentional emitters. Intentional emitters have radiated emissions limits on all spectrum. BPL is an uninintentioanal emitter, but because it is a carrier-current device, it is exempt from the conducted emissions limits on its actual frequency, but must meet the radiated emissions limits for intentional emitters. On HF, that is 30 uV/m at 30 m.

> If not I think it should be amended to include a
> limitation on output power just like in Part 97.
> Except is should be in about 1 microwatt... I can
> hear milliwatt signals from here to CO (i'm on the
> east coast), so I figure a micro-watt out to be the
> limit.

With the antenna gain that a power line can have, that would be an EIRP of about 10 microwatts. That would result in an increase of about 25 dB over the present radiated emissions limits. I disagree with your proposal to allow them to use 1 microwatt instead of the present defacto EIRP limit of 0.027 microwatts on HF (as derived from the radiated emisssions limits).

Always do the math.

Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
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