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White House Gives ARRL Delegation Assurances on BPL Interference:
ARRL President Jim Haynie, W5JBP, headed an ARRL delegation during a May
20 White House visit to discuss concerns about broadband over power line
(BPL). Haynie, ARRL General Counsel Chris Imlay, W3KD, and Chief
Technology Officer Paul Rinaldo, W4RI, met with Richard Russell, the White
House associate director for technology in the Office of Science and
Technology Policy. The ARRL officials asked the Bush administration to
heed its own experts at the National Telecommunications and Information
Administration (NTIA) and back away from its support of BPL in favor of
less troublesome technologies. The NTIA's Phase 1 BPL study acknowledged
BPL as an interference source. Haynie said the meeting was both revealing
and encouraging.
"He assured us that based on the NTIA report, the interference issues
would be addressed," Haynie said. "That was one of our main purposes for
being there." Haynie said, however, that he remains "absolutely" convinced
that a political agenda is driving the BPL proceeding. Russell told the
ARRL contingent that the administration is "very excited" about BPL and is
committed to finding ways to make it work.
Imlay said the League's problems were not with broadband access but with
the "rush-to-judgment" approach the FCC seems to be taking in the BPL
proceeding. As one example, he cited the timing between the release of the
extensive NTIA study and the comment deadline on the BPL proceeding just a
few days later. The Commission denied requests from the ARRL and others to
extend the comment deadline. While somewhat sympathetic, Russell suggested
that his office was in less of a position to influence the FCC than it was
the NTIA.
After Rinaldo presented some of the ARRL's BPL interference test findings,
Russell asked the League to provide a breakdown of the BPL systems and
providers manifesting both lesser and greater degrees of interference.
Rinaldo also told Russell that representatives of the BPL industry have
been double-talking their way around interference claims. Imlay pointed
out that the FCC has yet to address dozens of BPL-related interference
complaints from amateurs.
The administration does not want a flawed technology to result from the
BPL proceeding, Russell said at the session's conclusion, and he offered
assurances to the League visitors that the NTIA would work to address the
interference.
"We did get listened to," Haynie said afterward. "Did I leave there
feeling euphoric? No, I didn't, but at least I have a better feeling now
of the overall big picture, of where BPL's coming from, and I hope that I
can take to the bank the fact that they're going to address and continue
to address aggressively the interference issues."
Derek Riker, KB3JLF, of Chwat & Company, the ARRL's legislative relations
consultant, arranged the meeting and accompanied the delegation on the
White House visit.
The ARRL already has asked the FCC to put its BPL proceeding on hold to
allow more thorough research of its interference potential. The League
contended in its comments on the February 23 Notice of Proposed Rule
Making in ET Docket 03-47 that the FCC's "overly aggressive timetable" to
proceed with BPL deployment will effectively preclude the development of
cooperative interference avoidance and resolution mechanisms.
Source:
The ARRL Letter
Vol. 23, No. 21
May 21, 2004
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by L1D on May 22, 2004
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Why did they bother? The WH is just going to tell them what they want to hear, even if it is a lie.
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by KC9AWS on May 22, 2004
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This administration is going to do what ever Big Bussiness wants. Take a good look at gas prices. How secure is your job? You're going to get BPL wheather you want it or not, no matter what bit does to the HF spectrum. If you don't want BPL, get rid of the Cheney/Bush Administration. The ARRL is grossley mistaken to think that they were listened too.
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by N5LB on May 22, 2004
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Nevertheless, you have to work the system. I think the ARRL is approaching this in an appropriate manner. Much of the material I've read recently seems to be focusing on the deficincies of the present BPL technology. This is good.
I suggest that everyone continue to fax/write/e-mail their representative and lay out the issues and ask for their investigation into the matter.
It may be a political agenda but Congress does listen to constituents, and this is an election year. Everyone should know how to handle this.
Throwing up one's hands in the face of a threat is idiotic.
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by K4RAF on May 22, 2004
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"Throwing up one's hands in the face of a threat is idiotic"
There are an increasing amount of idiots in our midst... Just read the BPL list for proof. 6 guys who post the same trash everyday.
What is really sad is the fact we can't offer anything to enhance the wireless arena. Appliance operators: All
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by KF7CG on May 22, 2004
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The wireless arena doesn't need that much to enhance it, just some money and a name to get it rolling.
I have to admit, if it was workable, the idea of broadband internet access at every outlet in America sounds appealing. It is just the cost that is outrageous.
Wireless has the drawback of being old hat to many, and is also saddled with the perception and bagage of the older wireless schemes which are not all that secure.
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by KF7CG on May 22, 2004
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The wireless arena doesn't need that much to enhance it, just some money and a name to get it rolling.
I have to admit, if it was workable, the idea of broadband internet access at every outlet in America sounds appealing. It is just the cost that is outrageous.
Wireless has the drawback of being old hat to many, and is also saddled with the perception and bagage of the older wireless schemes which are not all that secure.
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by AC0X on May 22, 2004
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>There are an increasing amount of idiots in our
>midst... Just read the BPL list for proof. 6 guys who
>post the same trash everyday.
First, where is this "BPL list" and second, six guys posting on one "BPL List" do not us all idiots make.
>What is really sad is the fact we can't offer
>anything to enhance the wireless arena
Amateur radio's contribution to wireless technology would fill up several web sites.... but even ignoring that, wireless internet solutions have proven to be a much more robust and cost effective way of providing broadband. Why is the FCC ignorning this?
>Appliance operators: All
OK, then, if we're all so stupid and this is all so easy, then why are you still a General?
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by AC0X on May 22, 2004
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>Wireless has the drawback of being old hat to many
To who? Broadband Internet access without wires is "old hat"? Compared to what?
>and is also saddled with the perception and bagage of
>the older wireless schemes which are not all that
>secure.
And sending unsecured data over lines that radiate throughout a whole neighborhood and can propagate over the whole world IS secure????
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by K9JDK on May 22, 2004
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I appreciate the efforts made on the part of the ARRL and the W.H. to even have such a meeting.
It, imo, can only help.
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by K4RAF on May 22, 2004
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"why are you still a General?"
Simple, because the FCC stopped giving exams...
You aren't any smarter because of license class in this hobby...
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by W4EWJ on May 22, 2004
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Because the FCC stopped giving exams???????????????
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by AC0X on May 22, 2004
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>Simple, because the FCC stopped giving exams...
Even if that WERE an excuse, you've been a General since at least 1983. The FCC was still giving exams for some time after that. Why didn't you upgrade then?
>You aren't any smarter because of license class in
>this hobby...
Refusing to take a more difficult exam just because of the location it's given in does put your claims of superiority into question. If you knew that you would do so well on the exam, you'd take it, and pass it, regardless of where it was given.
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by AB5XZ on May 22, 2004
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I'm glad that ARRL got together with White House staff.
I'm ready for an FCC sponsored zap-off, where the BPL hardware providers take turns installing their stuff at the same location, and hams listen for the noise.
I haven't seen enough technical detail to be more than hopeful, but the stuff I have read from Current Technologies about their system design is somewhat encouraging. They don't reveal much, but they don't take the position that hams are idiots either.
In the meantime, let's keep cool heads about this, and write well-thought-out comments, because the FCC is not going to do anything in response to an e-mail flame, other than count it (and since we don't get to vote directly on BPL, getting counted doesn't accomplish much).
73TomAB5XZ
ARRL member off and on since 1960.
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by K4RAF on May 22, 2004
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Come up on the air & we'll talk 'mano y mano'. You don't know a blink about me.
General Radiotelephone Operator is a difficult test.
Never confuse any test as proof of being "smart"
Only a fool does...
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by AC0X on May 22, 2004
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>General Radiotelephone Operator is a difficult test
So is getting your pilots license. But we're talking about amateur radio here.
>Never confuse any test as proof of being "smart"
But refusal to take a test can put "smarts" into question.
Tell you what...
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/examsearch.phtml?zip=23924&dist=100
Give it a try ;-)
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by KE4MOB on May 22, 2004
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>General Radiotelephone Operator is a difficult test.
>Never confuse any test as proof of being "smart"
>Only a fool does...
Then why did you bring it up in the first place? Kinda makes *you* look like a fool.
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by K4RAF on May 22, 2004
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Why is it ignored that the administration is looking at broadband deployment as a multi-prong solution? We need it for our future development as a nation of leaders in technology.
The illusion that the only policy is the push for BPL is wrong & narrowminded. There is 90 MHz of Federal spectrum that they are pushing to reallocate. Not 1KHz of ham spectrum I might add. It was in the very same speech with 2 vague lines about powerlines! Everyone pounces on the 1 note of a song.
There are other current developments already underway:
- 5GHz Part 15 band expansion
- 3.65-3.7GHz 'rural' broadband licensed
- 700MHz Part 15 (already on in Minn, by Vyyo/Polar Comms)
The smart thing to do would be for us to push for every new wireless system & format from its' inception. Only then will BPL fall from any grace, no matter how it is propped up, before it can be physically be deployed.
Remember, the only viable longterm solution will be one with maximum capacity & minimal maintenance.
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by KE4MOB on May 22, 2004
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"Why is it ignored that the administration is looking at broadband deployment as a multi-prong solution? We need it for our future development as a nation of leaders in technology."
On this I kind of disagree. We really don't need broadband to every home, school, and office to be leaders in technology. If broadband is so important, how did the United States survive 225 years without it? Can anyone provide hard numbers showing the reason the US is falling behind is because of internet access speeds??
I think that broadband takes a backseat to good ol' seat of the pants R&D, education, and inspiration. We need to improve our base level of schooling in this country and inspire our youth to want more than the status quo. After all, it doesn't take 1.5Mbps internet access to teach Johnny that 1+1=2. Nor is it acceptable that all that Johnny has to look forward to is a dead-end job at McDonalds or Wal-Mart. In short, we should be saying to our youth "It's OK to be smart."
On the rest of the things you say, I agree 100%.
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by AC0X on May 22, 2004
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>Why is it ignored that the administration is looking
>at broadband deployment as a multi-prong solution?
Yeah, but no one in the current FCC has called any sort of wireless technology "Broadband Nirvana". They reserved this praise for BPL. And although wireless may have always been a part of the "multi-prong solution", it wasn't even worth an NPRM until the efforts of the ARRL and others showed how BPL was going to literally shit (don't like this word? find me one that better describes what it does) all over the HF spectrum, and Reed Hundt and the Democrats started talking about how the country's broadband policy should push wirelss.
>There is 90 MHz of Federal spectrum that they are
>pushing to reallocate. Not 1KHz of ham spectrum I
>might add.
Oh please. Even though BPL may not actually "reallocate" any HF spectrum, it's going to make it near impossible to use. It's like having a garbage dump built in your backyard, but telling you that you can't complain because no one took any of your property to build it.
>It was in the very same speech with 2 vague lines
>about powerlines! Everyone pounces on the 1 note of a
>song.
Let's see that "note" from our President:
"Power lines were for electricity; power lines can be used for broadband technology," Bush said. "So the technical standards need to be changed to encourage that."
That's one hell of a loud, long, and dissonant note. "Technical standards" means "rules", and changing them can only mean relaxing Part 15 rules. Is that what you want?
>The smart thing to do would be for us to push for
>every new wireless system & format from its' inception.
As people who use broadband, we should support the search for new and more robust means of wirless access. But as licensed users of the RF spectrum, we shouldn't support "every new wireless system". This FCC has proposed to s**t (I won't use the word twice) all over the most active bands we have. We need to be careful they don't propose to do it to even more frequencies.
>Only then will BPL fall from any grace, no matter how
>it is propped up, before it can be physically be
>deployed.
We also need to make sure this administration actually lets the "free market" determine what's a more viable method of broadband access, and not try to "skew" the market by proposing tax incentives and loading praise on only one method of access, a dirty, backward form of access, just because those looking to provide access via that method are good campaign contributors ;-)
>Remember, the only viable longterm solution will be
>one with maximum capacity & minimal maintenance.
Which BPL is NOT
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by AC0X on May 22, 2004
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>If broadband is so important, how did the United
>States survive 225 years without it?
We "survived" 125 years without radio, too. Are you saying that any new technologies shouldn't be pursued just because we've "survived" without them before?
>Can anyone provide hard numbers showing the reason
>the US is falling behind is because of internet
>access speeds??
There's actually a lot more to the Internet than just ham radio sites. Believe it or not, a lot of academic information can actually be accesed via the internet. But a lot of what's provided on the Internet now is streaming audio and video, and high resolution graphics. Sure, it can be downloaded over a dialup, but not in any appreciable amount of time. There may be "lower resolution" methods, but that's like telling a library that it can only have abridged versions of classic literature and only every other volume of a print encyclopedia.
>I think that broadband takes a backseat to good ol'
>seat of the pants R&D, education, and inspiration.
Backseat? How about even letting it in the car?
>it doesn't take 1.5Mbps internet access to teach
>Johnny that 1+1=2. Nor is it acceptable that all that
>Johnny has to look forward to is a dead-end job at
>McDonalds or Wal-Mart.
If we limit the access to information to Johnny to things as simple as "1+1=2", then all he'll get is that "dead end job"
>In short, we should be saying to our youth "It's OK
>to be smart."
It's OK, but we're going to limit the tools we give you to learn to 56 kbps
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by NE1Z on May 23, 2004
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Is this the same AC0X with the ARRL in a heart tatoo?Who are you to mock someone's license or intelligence? All you seem to want is to pick a fight & then you run off with your pointless dribbles.
DXing doesn't exactly prove you are a rocket scientist! Most people are DXers because they can't hold a conversation, like contesters. Stick to DX, where no one can figure out you really are a moron !
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by AC0X on May 23, 2004
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>Is this the same AC0X with the ARRL in a heart tatoo?
I guess, to you, supporting the only organization with any sort of track record in promoting Amateur Radio in DC must mean I have a "heart tattoo". Since you think the ARRL is evil incarnate, that's the way you're going to see any support as anything but "blind adoration", so it's pointless to argue with you about that.
>Who are you to mock someone's license or
>intelligence?
Pick a fight? Hardly. Someone calls us all "idiots" and "appliance operators" yet hasn't even attempted the most difficult exam themselves. I was questioning whether someone who hasn't taken on that challenge can make such statements about other hams.
>All you seem to want is to pick a fight & then you
>run off with your pointless dribbles.
Pointless? Hmmmm.... I think I've made some points. Some good ones, too.
>DXing doesn't exactly prove you are a rocket
>scientist! Most people are DXers because they can't
>hold a conversation, like contesters. Stick to DX,
>where no one can figure out you really are a moron !
Hmmm.. how do I respond to this one? Probably the best way to respond to a playground jibe is with a playground response, so here goes... "sticks and stones may break my bones etc, etc, etc"
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by KE4MOB on May 23, 2004
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>>In short, we should be saying to our youth "It's OK
>>to be smart."
>It's OK, but we're going to limit the tools we give you to learn to 56 kbps
This is the fallacy that modern media and attitudes has pushed upon us. The fallacy that we need "technology" to help humans learn.
How many of us got Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate degrees before the advent of the internet? I did.
Now answer this...how many of those same degrees mean more or include more intelligence now solely because of the internet?
The answer is zero.
When I went to high school, we researched our reports in books and encyclopedia. When I went to college (Virginia Tech class of '92), we had a five story tall library. We had professors and blackboards and overhead projectors and more labs you could shake a stick at. We really didn't have the internet.
People who say we need broadband for education are like those who say we need the automobile for transportation. They portray the idea of walking, riding a bike, or riding a train as being "backward".
But any of the methods will still get you to where you're going, will they not?
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by AC0X on May 23, 2004
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>How many of us got Bachelor's, Master's, and
>Doctorate degrees before the advent of the internet?
>I did.
And people got technical degrees before the advent of calculators and computers, too. I'm sure you used them in your studies. Are you saying that the level of technology you got to use is OK, but any more is too much?
>Now answer this...how many of those same degrees mean
>more or include more intelligence now solely because
>of the internet?
The instant and dynamic access to all sorts of information that the Internet provides is important in all sorts of research, be it for a degree or for anything else. Are you saying that we should limit research to what's accessible in paper format, because anything else can't add to the research, can't make that degree "mean more"?
>People who say we need broadband for education are
>like those who say we need the automobile for
>transportation. They portray the idea of walking,
>riding a bike, or riding a train as being "backward".
>But any of the methods will still get you to where
>you're going, will they not?
Of course it will. But are you saying we don't ever need automobiles? I hope not. I hope you're not saying we should go backward 50+ years. It's the same for broadband internet. Sure, you can get a lot of information from paper, and low-resolution Internet sites. But you can get more, and more up to date information from broadband access.
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by NE1Z on May 23, 2004
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" Someone calls us all "idiots" and "appliance operators" yet hasn't even attempted the most difficult exam themselves. "
US ALL? I read his comment & think he triggered your guilt sensor since he didn't make such broad assumptions as you did. You actually think being an Extra proves you are superior ? That's as funny as knowing CW makes you smart ! Difficult test? Ha BFD
I think you show the very attitude that he speaks of, since you attacked him like an idiot. Your website says to me you are clearly proud to be an appliance operator but your attitude is much more like you are a legend in your own mind. Go scream at shallow DX, like certificates prove you are skilled
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by KQ6XA on May 23, 2004
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BPL = Bush Power Lobby
Regime change is needed.
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by AETHERBURNER on May 23, 2004
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'tis a good thing that the ARRL went and talked to the ivory tower in Washington. At least the cards are out on the table. But holding all aces at the table doesn't beat a .38, or so, in a saloon. We know that BPL will not work but when you are speaking to "Jeffrey Pelt"...
I wonder if BPL would meet the TEMPEST computing standard? Just a thought... What is to say that the SIGINT/ELINT people aren't waiting to sniff data.....
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by AC0X on May 23, 2004
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(NE1Z chooses to ignore what's been said and doesn't want to contribute to debate, but instead just calls names. I'm ignoring him from this point on, as I should've done at first, and how many others on this web site already do)
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by KG7DX on May 23, 2004
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This is the same White House that wants to reclassify McDonalds hamburger flippers as "manufacturing jobs" instead of service workers so that they can claim increases in manufacturing? Lots of credibility there!
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by N0MLR on May 23, 2004
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Greetings!
Has it occured to anyone that BPL could be a Boon to the Homeland security and Law enforcement? Think about it..... No need to get a warrant for your internet activity since it is in the air with BPL. All Law Enforcement has to do is set up a monitoring station in your neighborhood and copy where you have been and what you have said on the net right off the air.
There is a bigger purpose to BPL than "getting the internet to every outlet in america".
Just my two cents!
Greg Dunn / N0MLR
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by N7UQA on May 23, 2004
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"Greetings!
Has it occured to anyone that BPL could be a Boon to the Homeland security and Law enforcement? Think about it..... No need to get a warrant for your internet activity since it is in the air with BPL. All Law Enforcement has to do is set up a monitoring station in your neighborhood and copy where you have been and what you have said on the net right off the air.
There is a bigger purpose to BPL than "getting the internet to every outlet in america".
Just my two cents!
Greg Dunn / N0MLR"
I had suggested this months ago, it would certainly be possible. Not to mention that it would take NO effort to launch denial of service attacks to entire neighborhoods by merely transmitting under the pole carrying the BPL signal.
Craig - N7UQA
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What is BPL really for?????
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by AC0X on May 23, 2004
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>Has it occured to anyone that BPL could be a Boon to
>the Homeland security and Law enforcement? Think
>about it..... No need to get a warrant for your
>internet activity since it is in the air with BPL.
>All Law Enforcement has to do is set up a monitoring
>station in your neighborhood and copy where you have
>been and what you have said on the net right off the
>air.
>There is a bigger purpose to BPL than "getting the
>internet to every outlet in america".
You want "conspiracy theories?" how about this one... BPL's primary purpose is NOT broadband internet access, but actually is SUPPOSED to jam the HF bands! It won't be long until two or three companies control ALL of the regular media here in the US. The same consolidation will happen in Satellite media soon, too. The only way we'll get to hear dissenting voices is through good-ole SW broadcast. Covertly listening to foreign broadcasts and internal "pirates" using HF to get the widest audience possible without using easily traceable IP addresses and satellite uplinks. Of course, if the whole HF spectrum has been made useless because of a constant 50dB over S9 BPL din, that won't work really well, will it?
Of course, this is all just a "conspiracy theory", with nothing to do with reality ;-) ;-)
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by AE6IP on May 23, 2004
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> How many of us got Bachelor's, Master's, and
> Doctorate degrees before the advent of the internet?
> I did.
Not if you're class of '92, you didn't. ;)
The advent of the internet was '69. The "modern internet" (tcp/ip based) was introduced in '81-'83. The "internet as we know it" was introduced in '89, when the ban on commercial use was lifted.
and no, i'm not going to mention what year I got my degree. however, contrary to popular belief, dirt *had* been invented by then.
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by AE6IP on May 23, 2004
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> Has it occured to anyone that BPL could be a Boon to
> the Homeland security and Law enforcement? Think
> about it
two words: ssh tunnel
'nuff said
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by N0MLR on May 24, 2004
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by AE6IP on May 23, 2004
> Has it occured to anyone that BPL could be a Boon to
> the Homeland security and Law enforcement? Think
> about it
two words: ssh tunnel
'nuff said
"two words: ssh tunnel"...... eh? is that a typo?
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by W1RFI on May 24, 2004
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> When I went to high school, we researched our
> reports in books and encyclopedia. When I went to
> college (Virginia Tech class of '92), we had a five
> story tall library. We had professors and
> blackboards and overhead projectors and more labs
> you could shake a stick at. We really didn't have
> the internet.
One can do a web search and find lots of information on nearly any subject. However, one must them sort through all of that information to detemine which of it is accurate and which is not. Do a web search on Cellular Telephone EMF and see how much chaff comes along with that wheat...
OTOH, go to the encyclopedia and you won't even find an entry that discusses
Ed
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by N0RKX on May 24, 2004
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"The instant and dynamic access to all sorts of information that the Internet provides is important in all sorts of research, be it for a degree or for anything else."
The days of the internet being driven by research and education are long gone. 95% of all internet traffic these days is ridiculous drivel. People need to read the book "Silicon Snake Oil" by Clifford Stoll.
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by K0RFD on May 24, 2004
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AC0X and NE1Z: Don't fight in here, you'll break something. Take it to the parking lot.
Jeez, no wonder people think we're a pushover whenever they want spectrum. We spend more time fighting with each other than fighting with the people who are stealing from us.
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by NE1Z on May 25, 2004
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Poor pitiful AC0X, he won't be able to hear Buttcracke Island!
I used to be a "big DXer" but then I grew up & stopped attacking others in the schoolyard
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by K0RFD on May 25, 2004
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NE1Z wrote:
>I grew up & stopped attacking others in the schoolyard
I guess you didn't get my message. There is ALWAYS somebody who doesn't get the message. If you have something to say that has anything to do with the original topic, great. I learn by listening to people.
If you just want to run off at the mouth, well, your audience isn't going to include me. This isn't aimed personally at you, it's aimed at you and whoever you'er fighting with. Trouble is, you were the one with the least self control.
This isn't my forum, so I don't get to control what is posted here. But I *do* get to feel who might or might not be a jerk depending on whether they have anything factual to offer or whether they are just attacking somebody else.
It's up to you. You want to attack people, that's your choice. If you want people to actually THINK about what you post, you have some work to do.
This was a good topic, there were things that needed to be sorted out. To the extent that anyone makes it a waste of time, shoot, you blew it.
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by WB8NUT on May 28, 2004
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You gotta love the anti "Big Business" comments. When the heck are people going to learn that "Big Business" creates jobs so you have an income.
Then we have the political comments about the WH lying.
I wonder when the payoff comments will come.
Heck, if you want to blame anyone for this, blame Democrat Al Gore. After all, he invented the Internet!
As for BPL, it is a screwed up technology. You have politicians (and I don't care what party they're from) who are not technology gurus trying to deal with technology situation and legislation. Usually they don't do a very good job with it.
I am convinced, this will all work out in the end. Not without some rough roads ahead, but it will get worked out.
As for any amateur who complains about BPL and is not an ARRL member, well I say to you all, it is your own damned fault. To have political clout, you need a national organization that has 80% of the amateur population as members. Not the 30% the ARRL has now.
Too many cheap freeloaders that want the services from the ARRL, and then can't cough up a few bucks each year for a membership. You reap what you sow folks.
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Big Business creates jobs
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by KC0KM_EX_GFISHER on May 31, 2004
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Sure, big business creates jobs and then outsources them to third world countries.
It's all about corporate greed.
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by KA4KOE on May 31, 2004
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To quote Kang in a Star Trek episode, "Only fools fight in a burning house."
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