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10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?

Phil Bach (W6LXT) on August 7, 2004
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So what are we supposed to think about these new FCC regulations for 10-meter amplifiers?

I ask because eBay is suddenly swamped with over 50 so-called 10-meter (CB) amps, so many in fact I've lost count.

The reason I'm asking is, (and I don't know about yours) but MY neighborhood is chock full of CBers, 90% of whom are running these' LEGAL' 10 meter power amps, and a few even claim 1 KW or MORE --on CITIZEN'S BAND!!

Do we need even more of them?

They are already totally trashing 10 & 12 meters and sometimes as far up as 6 meters, in the surrounding area.

Am I the only ham that feels this way?

What is it, "Anything goes" now?

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10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by SWANMAN on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For the past 30 or so years, us 'Real Hams'(we know code...you don't) have been unsuccessful in steming this type of behavior. YEP, them thar 10 meter/export amps are available all day long thru various internet entities, yet we have noone to blame but ourselves for the encroachment onto 10 meters by those nasty 11 meter pirates. Seems we were too busy fighting the "Code vs No Code" debacle which gave them time to sneak-up on us. The smartest thing that the FCC could EVER do is to give 10 & 12 meters to the Techs and let THEM deal with the nonsense since it has pretty much been a dismal FAILURE for us 'Real Hams.'
You GO Techs !!!!
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K0TEX on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"yet we have noone to blame but ourselves for the encroachment onto 10 meters by those nasty 11 meter pirates. Seems we were too busy fighting the "Code vs No Code" debacle which gave them time to sneak-up on us."

Ahhh, I see. If we would've been debating a different topic such as whether or not Extras should have to test higher than 5 wpm, or if max antenna height should be 202' instead of 200', then CBers wouldn't have started encroaching, or 'bootlegging' on 10 the meter band.

Yes, I believe I see the correlation, these new coke-bottle glasses must be working.

Only enforcement action will bring about any improvements or changes for the better in this area, and little by little it's happening.

BTW, a good number of CBers have become, and are becoming hams, and I don't see them as the problematic group, rather I applaud them for taking a step in the right direction. Hopefully, it will be just the first step for them in a series of several more to come.

Encouragement, not harassment, is the key here.

- Joe
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KD4AC on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"The smartest thing that the FCC could EVER do is to give 10 & 12 meters to the Techs and let THEM deal with the nonsense since it has pretty much been a dismal FAILURE for us 'Real Hams.'"

What is your "proof" that knowing code makes you a better operator over someone who doesn't? I read the enforcement letters sent out by the FCC. Yes, there are some no-code techs getting letters... but I see quite a few "REAL" hams getting letters as well. Seems to me you're no better than the next person. Instead of mentoring and educating new people on the proper way to operate, you're just going to bitch about it. I fail to see how that will make the problem go away.
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by AE1X on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The amplifiers in question are still illegal and will remain so until they are certified.

The amplifier ban was enacted because of the number illegal operators. The result was that those of us with good solid and legal reasons could not buy an amplifier that would cover 12 or 10mtrs. Despite this edict, the poorly designed illegal amplifiers are on the market. This action will only return to the status quo that existed previously.

If you are experiencing that kind of interference, the FCC wants to hear from you. They have already made it clear that they want to locate as many of these outlaws a possible and have published a plea for us to assist them but reporting the location of illegal stations. Get off you behind and take action.

Ken
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by HF2PWA on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
PROBLEM IS THOSE 24-30MHZ AMPS ARE TOO CHEAP!
One can buy a kilowatt out amp for under $400.
The AMPS type acccepted for 3-30MHZ ham use cost a lot of bux!

I did not know the no code tech had ssb on 10 and 12M!

Why not just give them 20M too!
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by N6AYJ on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let the CB'ers have their fun. I fail to see anything so important or useful about ham radio that might be harmed by a little CB interference. I think hams are just jealous that the CB'ers are having more fun than we are, and that their radio service is growing while ours is shrinking. And I can certainly understand why people would not want to become hams. A lot (not all) of the hams I meet are bigger jerks than the CB'ers. This whole concept of thinking we are "superior" to anyone else is one of the main problems with our hobby. Until we stop acting that way, everyone else is going to be pointing out that "the emperor has no clothes." Ham radio is just glorified CB. Since we no longer have meaningful examinations anyway, the two radio services should probably be merged.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KT0DD on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunately, you are always going to have those who will thumb their noses at authority and do as they please, and with a little desire and self teaching, they will acquire the know-how to operate illegally anyway.

A while back, I saw a hombrew amplifier auctioned on e-bay that ran 10 or 12 3-500z tubes, yes 10 or 12, (I can't exactly remember which). You could tell it was for illegal 11/10m operation. I have also seen one that ran 2 3cx3000a7's. These were all HOMEBREW! Also, everyone knows that with a little knowledge, almost any HF rig can be modified for General coverage transmit.

About the only way you're going to stop this is to require proof of having a license at the sale, and also require equipment registration similar to gun registration. The FCC will have to quadruple (or more) their field agent manpower to hunt illegal ops down. Congress will never appropriate enough funding for this. You could also have all radios / amps be required to only be programmable for their transmit capability at the factory by computer only, similar to the new Motorola 800 mhz encrypted Police systems. Most Hams would never go for this, It would be seen as one step toward "Channelization" of the service. Also the cost of equipment would quadruple, and still, some would slip through the cracks somehow.

The current track is impotent, and actually hurts honest manufacturers from giving licensed ops more choices. There may be more solutions than what I have thought of here also. But CLEARLY, the current rules and system DOESN'T WORK. 73
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KA3TKZ on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The best way for the FCC to make money is to go after the illegals! Yes, get more agents and put them at weigh stations or at rest stops. Issue out tickets just as the police would. This would add to the FCC coffers greatly. The whole problem started with lack of enforcement and continues to be lack of enforcement! The Feds havethe equipment to track the bad guys so get more agents , use the equipment, collect the money . Thank you for listening.

Whitney KA3TKZ
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K0CWO on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Amplifier legislation is like firearm legislation. What has been fixed by either?

In my opinion both are stale issues.

73, and lets be happy with the freedom we have.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W7DJM on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
These amplifier regulations have done nothing at all to "help" amateurs or "hurt" the ones who would use them illegally.

If you are a licensed amateur, do not sell an amplifier to someone who you think might be a "freebander." (Comeon, you know who they are, you've driven past "there.")

When you sell your amateur amp on ebay, demand proof that the buyer is a licensed ham, period.

Anyone who wanted an amateur amp, to use it illegally, has had no trouble getting one, getting it modified, and using it.

And last, IF you are a licensed ham, have enough pride in YOUR LICENSE that you don't allow YOURSELF to become one of these "freebanders."
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W8MW on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
1. Open 10 meter privileges to all licensed amateurs. Amateur radio needs critical mass here, not more bickering about which license class is or isn't worthy of operating there.

2. Change the 10 meter band plan to begin phone operation at 28 MHz. CW and data signals don't intimidate intruders. They probably don't even think there are human beings operating those modes.

3. Get real about what it takes to put big signals on the air. News flash: It ain't a 100 watt transceiver and G5RV. The average ham signal should be significantly more potent than intruders.

4. Stand our ground when the going gets rough. The average ham operator should know more about maintaining contact in QRM conditions than intruders. Don't run away, don't whine, stay there and win.

5. Let the word spread that amateurs protect and dominate their turf. Sorta like don't mess with Texas.

Can you dig it?
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by N7UQA on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think the lifting of this ruling is going to “open the flood gate of freebanders with linear amplifiers" to 10 meters. All this ruling has done is to punish hams and encumber legit amplifier manufactures. If the 11 meter CB band was to be phased out by the end of the decade the sources of these 11 meter amps and 10/11 meter CBs would dry up. You need to get local law enforcement and the FCC involved to clean up your QRM problem. I used to have a CBer in my neighborhood who ran a RCI 2950 and a 600 watt solid state brick amplifier, he splattered all the way down to 30 meters and all the way up to the 3 meter band!

All it took was a letter from the FCC to get him to stop. If the problem is as bad as you describe it's up to you and your fellow hams to take the lead and clean up the mess, even though it's not really your responsibility. I cannot tell you how many times I talked to this guy in person and on the CB to get him to “clean it up”. I told him I could care less if he ran ham gear and amplifiers as long as the signal was clean. I told him he was going to put me in the uncomfortable position of having to take legal action if he would not cooperate.

To this date I have not had any significant problem with Cbers since my last action. Just the occasional truck driver on 10 meters.



Craig - N7UQA
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KD4E on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How about if we buy up these amps, convert them to Ham use, and resell them only to licensed Hams?

I need a solid state HF amp and cannot touch the price of a commercial type-accepted full-legal 12VDC amp so I intend to yank a couple of these things out of CB hands, add a splitter at the input, combiner at the output, switched filters, swr protection, and rf sensing and have myself a full-legal solid state amp for a fraction of a type-accepted amp. (Probably $750. total cost.)

Also, what is the big deal about type-acceptance for an amp sold to a licenced Ham? Our license is supposed to establish that we are capable of insuring type-acceptance for everything we operate -- and keeping our license requires that we do so -- including maintenance of when-new-were-type-accepted rigs that may go out of spec.

Why not allow "cb" and export amp manufacturers to sell their amps with filters to Hams? Including kits. It is not as though the current, or recently modded regs, have or will make any difference for the lawbreakers -- they only hurt the law obeying Hams who need affordable amps or who want to build their own from affordable kits.

Here are a couple of examples of Ham amps that should be legal for licensed Hams to buy in the USA but are not for no apparent good reason (given the above):
http://users.aol.com/rfelectron/rfelect.htm
http://www.worth-more.com/

IMHO, YMMV ... 73, doc kd4e
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by GILLIAM_LINEBERRY_EX_N4VOX on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There has never been a problem getting an amplifier. So this is a big stink over nothing. You guys never checked around truck stops I guess, and don't forget that all the old junk at hamfests. I have never had to show my license to buy any ham equipment.

Half the hams that will complain have an illegally modified either hf or 2 meter radio, MARS mod, and complain about someone else. Gill N4VOX
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K3CLT on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I am totally confused on Ebay's stand on the radio equipment issue. I listed a Uniden 2510 for sale and they kicked it off stating that it was in violation of their listing policies on issues raised by the fcc.
The item you have listed does not appear to be consistent with eBay guidelines.

EBAY POLICIES:

Equipment that is intended to operate in various radio services in the high frequency radio spectrum, including "10-Meter" Amateur Radio Service (ARS) equipment, is lawful and may be sold. However, some items of this nature that are capable of transmitting, and are being operated, in nearby frequency bands allocated to other radio services such as the Private Land Mobile Radio Services, Maritime Services, Auxiliary Broadcast Services, International Broadcasting Services, the Citizens Band Radio Service, and the U.S. Government. Operation of this equipment causes interference to the authorized users of these frequencies.

Users may not list a high frequency transceiver that is designed to operate on frequencies outside of the ARS bands, if it has not been issued a grant of equipment authorization for the radio service(s) in which the transmitter is capable of operating.

The item you have listed does not appear to be consistent with eBay guidelines.

However, the FCC has identified your particular model of radio as being potentially problematic, and we therefore cannot permit such items to be listed on our site.

Extended coverage high frequency transceivers


CB amplifiers


The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) does not permit the use of power amplifiers with Citizens Band radios. Therefore, eBay prohibits any listings of the following:

* CB amplifiers
* Amplifiers specified for use on the 11 Meter band
* Amplifiers designed for use in frequencies 24 MHz to 35MHz
* Amplifiers posted within the CB category
* CB Radios that are amplified to exceed 4 Watts using the AM Settings or 12 Watts using the SSB settings

Further clarification can be found in the FCC rules C.F.R. Title 47 Section 2.815


Scanners
Generally, scanning receivers and radios may be listed on eBay. However, you may not list any scanning receiver or radio that receives cellular transmissions or has "full 800mz" coverage.

I guess they problem that I have with all of this is that you can sell a cb radio from a (UN-CONTROLLED) band that is capable to be modified and work the 10 meter a (CONTROLLED) band. But you can not sell a 10 meter (CONTROLLED) band radio that may or may not be capable of working on 11 meters.
Lets face it, most of the 10 meter radios, and a large amount of the HF Mobile radio, and most of the 2 meter 70cm radios are all capable of being modified to work out of band. Is ebay going to ban all of those?
 
10-Meter Free-for-all?  
by K4RAF on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It doesn't matter, even the FCC has given up on the issue. eBay shouldn't even have to bother with any policy because it is NOT what I have, it is how I USE it!

Hams: Complain, complain, complain...
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WPE9JRL on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well.....the CB "free-for-all" is nothing new. This is now and has always been a non-issue.

Back in 1971, when I was a high-schooler and a CB'er, you could walk into the hallowed doorway of Amateur Electronic Supply in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. You could ask for and receive a copy of the "10-Meter Linear Amplifier" schematic and plans. You were then sold all the parts and supplies to build the device. AES and other "reputable" ham retailers made bookoo bucks on CB supplies (to this day probably still do).

Bottom line: Don't worry about the 11-Meter shenanigans. Most of the CB guys turn into happy and productive hams.

Stop complaining. The CB amplifier game is nothing new and will continue to be played out. No one can stop it.

Breathe....exhale...breathe...exhale. That's better!
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC5USD on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The cb'ers arnt just using solid state amps.. The little 500 watt brick amps being sold on ebay isnt the real problem.. There are alot of them running actual hf amplifiers that have been converted like Heathkits and Henrys..I use to live next door to a cber that had a FT101 EE and a FL-2100 for his setup.. He was like the local authority on converting HF radios and amps for 11 meter use..
I have heard about a guy over in Hilsborro Texas that has a radio setup in a 1987 Suburban that does 20000+watts.. Theese guys are running 3cx15000 tubes in there mobiles..

Its kinda funny though seems that 90% of the hams today cant hombrew anything yet cbers are making their own or converting their own equipment everyday.. Maybe they are smarter than what us "Real" ham operators give them credit.. I think its just like anything..People will always find away to do what the want no matter what laws or rules are put in place..
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KE4ZHN on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Frankly, who cares what cb`ers do on 11 mtrs.? Obviously the FCC doesnt, so why should the amateur community? Its unfortunate that the 10 mtr. band is being encroached on, but its most likely because the hams arent using it enough to keep them off. If interference bothers you on 10 and 12 mtrs. simple soulution is to move down to 15 or 17 or 20 mtrs and enjoy ham radio. Stop worrying about what the "good buddies" are doing and worry about yourself. Cb`ers will get amps whether they are legal or not, so why should legal amateurs be penalized for their actions? Its about time the FCC realized that the 10 mtr. amp law was stupid and illconceived.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


"So what are we supposed to think about these new FCC regulations for 10-meter amplifiers? "


I just went to www.arrl.org, and clicked around a bit.
Didn't see it there. Perhaps I didn't take enough time.

But, can someone here please post a url that leads to this new proposal / regulation, as written by the FCC?

Tnx

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by SWANMAN on August 7, 2004

" ...
yet we have noone to blame but ourselves
for the encroachment onto 10 meters by those nasty 11 meter pirates."

Why?
How can we be to blame for the illegal actions of others?


"Seems we were too busy fighting the "Code vs No Code" debacle which gave them time to sneak-up on us."

Surely the immediate above is not your reason for the earlier statement that we are to blame, is it?
If so, you are not connecting the dots. Your logic process doesn't make sense.


"The smartest thing that the FCC could EVER do is to give 10 & 12 meters to the Techs and let THEM deal with the nonsense since it has pretty much been a dismal FAILURE for us 'Real Hams.' "

As much as you are allowed to have your opinion is equal to your ability to be grossly wrong.





 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by N6AYJ on August 7, 2004

" ...
that the CB'ers are having more fun than we are, and that their radio service is growing while
ours is shrinking. "

Ours is shrinking? Please cite your source.

I believe there are almost double the number of hams today, as compared to 25 years ago.


"And I can certainly understand why people would not want to become hams. A lot (not all) of the hams I meet are bigger jerks than the CB'ers. This whole concept of thinking we are "superior" to anyone else is one of the main problems with our hobby."


Remember - one cannot be "superior" unless someone else considers them to be so. Further, that someone else is at the same time, admitting to being inferior.


" ...
Ham radio is just glorified CB. "

Are you nuts?


"Since we no longer have meaningful examinations anyway, the two radio services should probably be merged. "

I get it now.
You are either being sarcastic, or you are trolling.





 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by KA3TKZ on August 7, 2004

"The best way for the FCC to make money is to go after the illegals! Yes, get more agents "

Agreed.


" and put them at weigh stations or at rest stops. "

And roving around, finding those operating from residences too.


"Issue out tickets just as the police would. This would add to the FCC coffers greatly. "

Agreed.

"The whole problem started with lack of enforcement and continues to be lack of enforcement! "

Agreed.

"The Feds have the equipment to track the bad guys so get more agents , use the equipment, collect the money . "

Agreed.
And the word would spread like wildfire.


" Thank you for listening. "


73




 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by N4VOX on August 7, 2004

" ...
Half the hams that will complain have an illegally modified either hf or 2 meter radio, MARS mod, and complain about someone else. "

Please explain exactly what an "illegally modified hf or 2 meter radio.... " is.

I know of no such thing.

I can easily understand that TRANSMITTING with a modified radio MAY be illegal, but as far as I know the ownership or existance of ANY radio equipment is not illegal.



 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by N7UQA on August 7, 2004

" ...
You need to get local law enforcement and the FCC
involved to clean up your QRM problem. "

Local law enforcement should never be allowed to interfere in radio laws. They have no responsibility to be trained to understand the laws that they are trying to enforce. It is a shame that they are allowed to get involved in CB matters.


" I used to have a CBer in my neighborhood who ran a RCI 2950 and a 600 watt solid state brick amplifier, he splattered all the way down to 30 meters and all the way up to the 3 meter band!

All it took was a letter from the FCC to get him to stop. ... "

I am glad that your problem was cured. I'm glad you did it with the FCC too.

I hope your shut-down CB'er doesn't decide to get revenge on you, by calling the local cops and telling them YOU are interering with his stereo or TV! The local cop has no responsibility to be trained to know anything about radios, yet he may be able to investigate 'CB' complaints. Won't you feel like telling that cop to go fly a kite if he shows up on your door? But I suppose you can't, since local cops are supposedly now able to enforce CB laws.







 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by RADIO123US on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WPE9JRL said "Bottom line: Don't worry about the 11-Meter shenanigans. Most of the CB guys turn into happy and productive hams. "

That's a scary thought.... SOME CBers become happy and productive hams....saying "Most" is a real stretch...
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC0MKO on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hi I have been a Tech for about two years. I am proud to be in the ham community until I meet jerks like Swanman. I have been working on my code and plan hopefully to pass it soon. If I don't in time I will find the the chance to be on any of the meters. It maybe a suprise to Swanman that Many techs can already be in areas they never thought possible. Echolink provides this to anyone who has a ham ticket. It might be of intrest to those of you who bash Techs many of us in my area are involved in many community activities. So for the bashers stick-it the techs will prevail. Techs are not want-a-be's if we take the test and in some cases take a class for six-weeks to pass the test. So let the cb'ers take the test and become a tech and prove they are not as bad as many may think. Also I agree with stronger enforcement of the rules. Amen
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K6CS on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ditto to the above! If Swanman is what I will turn out to be after passing my code, I want no part of it! He sounds like a very insecure person who tries to bully people beneath his nose. Sorry, I won't even try to have a battle of wits with a troll who is unarmed. 73
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W4LOU on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Check this out

http://www.bigradios.com/avis/
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WR2W on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Most mid-aged and older HAMS got started in HAM radio from CB, and the quest to modify radios, and use add-on equipment has been around since CB began. I still talk to Non-HAM friends on CB using a Strictly Stock Galaxy DX2547 but I hear HAM operators using their amateur radios and amplifiers on CB. This "illegal" equipment is able to be legally sold because it must first be Modified to operate out of band but it is Not sold already modified. It is up to the operator to abide by the rules and regulations. The manufacturers and designers should be dealt with by the government on this issue but there is alot of money to be made so they turn their heads to it. Like smoking, the government wants you to buy cigarettes...but they don't want you to smoke them.
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by OBSERVER11 on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ItOUT TIME the FCC corrected a wrong it had done to LEGAL USERS.

In 1975/1976, the FCC swatted a gnat with the pile driver. The FCC was under funded, under manned (thank you Jimmy "I only lusted in my heart" Carter).
The FCC was being over run with CB problems, there were SOME problems that involved excessive power, so they just up and banned ALL amps that were capable of 25 - 30MHz... INCLUDING LEGAL HAM AMPS.

The only thing that changed was that the retailers could no longer sell amps over the counter, so amp sales went "black market". Now, if you want a CB amp, you can still find them, everyone knows how.

When this asinine law is corrected, it will still be illegal to use an amp on CB, CB rules will not change, but we will see LEGAL amps, such as the Tokyo HiPower amps, will be sold without having to resort to a black or grey market.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by OBSERVER11 on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
ooops... correction...

First line SHOULD BE:

It is ABOUT TIME........
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W4LT on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think the answer is that we need enforcement of the regulations re power limits on cb - why should we prevent the import and manufacture of amps that could be used illegally on CB when there is a legal use for them? I think the prohibition on amps that could work on CB only prevents honest hams from obtaining these amps to use legally - there are plenty of these amps on CB despite the fact that they are illegal. I realize that enforcement is difficult, but why have the regulations if they are not enforced?
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by X-WB1AUW on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
“So what are we supposed to think about these new FCC regulations for 10-meter amplifiers?”

Think that the old regulations were ineffective; the problems with ham gear being used on non-ham frequencies didn’t go away or diminish when the old regulations went into effect.

In the long run, it only disrupted legal use of 10 meter gear.

Can’t say I ever tried it, but I don’t think I’d need to modify my SB220 to work on 11 meters, same for my Alpha 77DX, and Henry 2K 4. Although when I bought my Alpha, ETO would only tell me how to remove the set screw they put in the band selector to prevent it being able to select 10 meters, after I sent them a copy of my ham ticket.

My Yaseu xsistor amp had a dip switch that had to be flipped. Did any of that prevent any Cber from finding out how to get either of those amps on 10 meters, and thus onto 11 meters? I doubt it.

Have FUN
Bob
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by PHINEAS on August 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Trolls

I wish these people would quit.

Phineas
K0KMA
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W1RFI on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> To this date I have not had any significant problem
> with Cbers since my last action. Just the occasional
> truck driver on 10 meters.

And if you can get information to Riley on the company that owns the truck, he will probably write a letter to the company CEO. That has been 99% effective, by my guess.

Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W9PMZ on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It was said,

"Local law enforcement should never be allowed to interfere in radio laws. They have no responsibility to be trained to understand the laws that they are trying to enforce. It is a shame that they are allowed to get involved in CB matters. "


Actually, Lancaster Ohio has gone after a CBer who was causing TVI. Read on,

"By KRISTIN GORDON The Eagle-Gazette Staff kgordon@nncogannett.com James Disbennet doesn't think he legally should have to give up more than $1,000 worth of citizen band radio equipment. But it was part of his sentence, along with about $200 in fines and court costs, after pleading no contest to a minor misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge. Disbennet, 49, of 427 Harrison Ave., was the first city resident charged under an ordinance passed last August by Lancaster City Council"

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W9PMZ on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It was said earlier,

"Local law enforcement should never be allowed to interfere in radio laws. They have no responsibility to be trained to understand the laws that they are trying to enforce. It is a shame that they are allowed to get involved in CB matters. "

Actually Lancaster Ohio has enacted a law and taken a CBer who was running illegal power off the air. Read a highlight from the local paper's article:

2. CB operator charged under new city law
May 21, 2003 •• 768 words
cq hed: By KRISTIN GORDON The Eagle-Gazette Staff kgordon@nncogannett.com Complaints from a group of neighbors experiencing interference on household appliances from phones and TVs to baby monitors have resulted in a court case against a local citizens band radio operator. James A. Disbennet, 48, 427 Harrison Ave., is charged with operating a CB radio exceeding 4 watts, a first-degree misdemeanor, and two counts of operating a CB radio without certification, a fourth-degree

1. CB radio law enforced by case
September 6, 2003 •• 711 words
By KRISTIN GORDON The Eagle-Gazette Staff kgordon@nncogannett.com James Disbennet doesn't think he legally should have to give up more than $1,000 worth of citizen band radio equipment. But it was part of his sentence, along with about $200 in fines and court costs, after pleading no contest to a minor misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge. Disbennet, 49, of 427 Harrison Ave., was the first city resident charged under an ordinance passed last August by Lancaster City Council


73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by N6AYJ on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
That WILLY and PHINEAS both have the right attitude: Whenever anybody expresses any opinion with which you don't agree, call them a "troll". That way you don't have do deal with their arguments and you can continue to live in your dream world. It works great!
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KA3RFE on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The thing is, at present anyone can buy an illegal CB amp and "export" radio quite easily. There are web sites openly advertising sales of this equipment, including advertisments from people who buld amps. i could buy an export radio and non-certificated amp in seconds over the net.

They're illegal now and people still happily buy them and use them and talk about them. How does it change anything if commmercial amps that will meet the FCC's certification standards are able to be sold? The freebanders who use amps are still going to use amps and it makes no difference to them if an amp is certificated or not.

And as long as the freebanders and pirates stay away from our bands and don't cause us any interference to our frequencies, WHO CARES what they do???

73, Pete KA3RFE
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K1CJS on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
No matter which radio service is talked about, there will always be some users of it that are jerks and troublemakers, and some that love to complain about it. As far as the "illegal" amps, with the changing of the law those amplifiers are only illegal if used where they are prohibited. Look at it this way--pay now or pay later. No matter where it comes from, if you get caught using a cheap linear amp on a band where you shouldn't be using it, you'll pay the fines for doing so. Nuff said? Yep.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by W9PMZ on August 8, 2004

"It was said earlier, "Local law enforcement should never be allowed to interfere in radio laws. They have no responsibility to be trained to understand the
laws that they are trying to enforce. It is a shame that they are allowed to get involved in CB matters. "

Actually Lancaster Ohio has enacted a law and taken a CBer who was running illegal power off the air. Read a highlight from the local paper's article:


2. CB operator charged under new city law

...

a first-degree misdemeanor, and two counts of operating a CB radio without certification, a fourth-degree

...

after pleading no contest to a minor misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge. Disbennet, 49, of 427 Harrison Ave., was the first city resident charged under an ordinance passed last August by Lancaster City Council "


On the surface, it sounds great. It worked - got an illegal CB'er to cease. I agree that that much is a good thing.

But look a little deeper.

Does this mean that that city can now pass and enforce a law that it is illegal to operate a ham transmitter "without certification"?

Does it mean they can pass other ordinances regarding radio transmitters?

How would you like it if your neighbor had a cheap clock radio, and complain to the local cops that you were disturbing him? First of all, would you mind letting strangers, i.e. the local cops , examine the interior of your home and shack? Would you have any faith at all that they knew what sort of equipment they were looking at? Bottom line is, why in the world should you be in a position of having to DEFEND yourself, when the problem is really the lack of shielding in your neighbors cheap radio?

See what I mean? Giving up one's position, such that from then on one is open to having to defend one's self, is a bad thing.




 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by N6AYJ on August 8, 2004

"That WILLY and PHINEAS both have the right attitude: "

Thank you.


"Whenever anybody expresses any opinion"

?
"Whenever" implies 'every time'.
I believe that I've been disagreed with and not assessed the other person's action as being trolling.
This makes your statement incorrect.



" with which you don't agree, call them a "troll". "

Well, I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or trolling and allowed for either.
Here in your reply, you chose trolling.
Does this mean that you admit that you WERE trolling?


"That way you don't have do deal with their arguments"

Your arguments were easy to deal with. By the way, you didn't comment with any further info about your claim that our numbers are shrinking.


" and you can continue to live in your dream world."

?
dream world??
Here is an example of a dream world:
" Ham radio is just glorified CB "



"It works great! "

You are going to stop trolling? Great! Thank you.





 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KK7JK on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If those letters addressed to trucking companies made any difference, why then are the filthy mouths still talking?
How about the Mexicans at 145 degrees true.

Hi Billy.

The FCC has gone commerical and amateur radio is just a fill in for someone caught, you know, a few hundred dollar fine for the Dinner and Coctail Hour lunches.

When 10 meters opens once again, watch out who screams plus afew hams.

The FCC has been put on notice about 10 meters for many years past, rolly-polly is just on man and it ain't going to stop, why, the FCC waited entirely too long.

Conclusion, jam the illegals when you hear them on 10 meters, their not recognized by the FCC and have no rights anyway. I jam them daily, actually I utilize the frequency for amateur radio purposes.

Practice CW, send practice random code groups, test, send bulletins, use the frequencies used by illegals.
Send RTTY, PSK-31, PSK-63, PSK-123 and others, it works, not all the time but it works.

CU on 10 meters.
 
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by W3EAL on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I am not for the legalization of amps for use on 11 meters. BUT there has never been a problem for CB's to obtain linear amplifiers. Just go to any hamfest and you will see 20 or so sitting on tables. Some of these are being sold by licensed hams. I just went to a hamfest in Peotone IL today and saw at least 10. The problem is what can be done to prevent 10 meter amplifiers being used on 11 meters. I would suggest that as licensed operators we demand that clubs and others that are involved in hamfest operations police their hamfests and tell all sellers that they wil be asked to stop selling these illegal devices, or they will be forced to leave. It won't stop the sales entirely but it will show that we as hams will do what we can to prevent these items from being distributed. Every little bit helps. I have been to several hamfests where FCC enforcement is there confiscating illegal equipment. Maybe we don't have the authority to confiscate but the operators of these hamfests do have the right to make sellers stop selling illegal items.

Dennis Weal
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WB2WIK on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Apologies if I duplicate, I haven't the time nor motivation to read *all* the reply posts.

However, I did read some, and must say...

CB is not "growing" while ham radio is "shrinking." If anyone can find anywhere this actually *is* happening, I'd love to know where that is, and I'll bet in advance it's somewhere in the boonies. Here in L.A., like my experience in the NYC suburbs years ago, CB is shrinking, shrinking, shrinking and likely to go away altogether, leaving only a handful of diehards who might make pretty good hams if they'd stop breaking the law and get licensed.

No, I do *not* notice that more and more of my neighbors are running CB gear, legal or otherwise. Hell, I doubt I have any neighbors at all who are using CB. If they do, they must be doing it with indoor antennas, and I live in an area where outdoor towers and antennas are absolutely allowed.

In 1970, half the cars on the road sported CB whip antennas. Today, I see maybe one in a hundred? Or maybe a bit less than that. CB is not exactly booming.

I wouldn't worry about this, at all. I chase weak signals on 10m, since the band's been in pretty poor shape most of the time lately...so if you want to have some fun on ten, put up the biggest beams you can and start working meteor scatter, tropo scatter and sporadic-E. Ionospheric propagation on 10m may be "gone" most of the time for the next few years, so the "weak signal" modes are the way to go, and very interesting.

Never has a "freebander," or a CBer prevented me from making a contact on the 10m ham band, and I've been using 10m since 1966.

WB2WIK/6

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KA3RFE on August 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Mr. Scum,

This is strictly an FCC proposal. ARRL has nothing to do with it.

73
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by AB8TM on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I too am concerned about the "Amplifiers of Mass Destruction."

I propose that we all petition our U.S. representatives in the Congress and Senate to form legislation entitled "The USA Good Buddy Act." This legislation should include but not be limited to these points:

1. Removal of due process for Cbers and all suspected CBers or those known to have association with CBers. Any funding of CB related activities either knowingly or unknowingly may be pursued aggresively and with a high degree of discrection by the investigative authority. Moreover, if the CBer in question has a pet, such as a dog or cat, the investigating officers have legal authority to kick his/her dog. They also may kiss his/her wife/husband on the lips and call he/she sweet chops.

2. Searches without warrants will be considered legal, as long as CB equipment and CB equipment only is seized as the incidence of the search. Those suspected of being 11 meter "sideband DXers" (who regularly gather on 27.385 lsb) will be subject to illegal drug searches, mainly for crack and marijuana.

3. Public floggings with Astatic D104s shall also be used to deter the use of overmodulated microphones. Floggings with D104s shall also be deemed legal and necessary in the event a CBer removes his/her modulation limiter.
 
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by KA8UWR on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
the "Boxes" have been around for 40 years,and always will be,they should make them legal,everyone wants one because your NOT supposed to have them,tell a guy he caan't own something and he is the first person to get one,if they were legal,there would be a surge at first,but then would just die out like the "Beanie Baby" fad,we have one guy here who has been building them for 30 years,he is not even a cber,or Ham,doesn't even have an antenna,this guy is busy all day long,will make you the biggest "Box" you can afford,all because you can't have one,want to hear the biggest stink of all from the "Hams" just make it totaly IMPOSSIBLE to do the "MARS" mod on any more new rigs!! then watch the S##T hit the fan!!
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K3CLT on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The CB Radio Law in Lancaster Ohio is a really scary thing. Will the next step be to fine ham radio operators? If you fire up your radio on 20 meters and run about 500 watts, and come through a $20. baby monitor, do you want the police at your door?
This should be a real concern to all hams.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KG5JJ on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I have just one question:

Does the Galaxy DX2547 radio referred to in one post have an FCC type acceptance label on the back?

If not, it is not legal to operate in this country...

73 KG5JJ (Mike)
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by W3EAL on August 8, 2004

"I am not for the legalization of amps for use on 11 meters."

Do you mean the USE of amps on 11 meters?

"BUT there has never been a problem for CB's to obtain linear amplifiers. Just go to any hamfest and you will see 20 or so sitting on tables. Some of these are being sold by licensed hams. I just went to a
hamfest in Peotone IL today and saw at least 10.

The problem is what can be done to prevent 10 meter amplifiers being used on 11 meters."

True.


"I would suggest that as licensed operators we demand that clubs and others that are involved in hamfest operations police their hamfests and tell all sellers that they wil be asked to stop selling these illegal devices, "

What illegal devices?

"or they will be forced to leave. It won't stop the sales entirely but it will show that we as hams will do what we can to prevent these items from being distributed. Every little bit helps. I have been to several hamfests where FCC enforcement is there confiscating illegal equipment."

What equipment, on its own, just by existing, is illegal?

"Maybe we don't have the authority to confiscate but the operators of these hamfests do have the right to make sellers stop selling illegal items."

Again, what illegal items?

I hope you don't mean the amplifiers themselves. That would open the door for all sorts of Nazi-like things to suddenly become illegal to own. I don't think cars should be illegal, but I do think that running over people should be.
The legality of an issue should rest with the responsibility of actions, not with simply owning a piece of material.

To the best of my knowledge - and would somebody in the know please clarify if I am incorrect - owning any piece of radio equipment is not illegal. I sure hope we haven't come to that!

It is the improper USE of it that can be illegal, and well it should be. This is placing the legality of it on the actions of the owner of the piece of equipment.

By the way, I agree with you 100% about the hamfests. Since these are private organizations, they can make up any rules they wish for their vendors, just so long as they tell them before accepting their fees.
I don't think it would fix the problem, but it would certainly be a more positive reflection on ham radio.













 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by K3CLT on August 9, 2004

"The CB Radio Law in Lancaster Ohio is a really scary thing. Will the next step be to fine ham radio operators? If you fire up your radio on 20 meters and run about 500 watts, and come through a $20. baby monitor, do you want the police at your door? "

Your perception is accurate.


"This should be a real concern to all hams. "

Very much agreed.


 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


"So what are we supposed to think about these new FCC regulations for 10-meter amplifiers? "


Where can one go on the web, to read these new rules, or a synopsis of them?

If you have a url, please post it.


Tnx



 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W9DZ on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with OBSERVER11. The amplifier ban hurt hams and legitimate manufacturers more than the scoflaws.

The way it was it was illegal to sell an amp, kit or manufactured, for your FT-817 unless it was for 2M and above. The amp ban had an effect on the manufacturing of 6M amps too as it limited gain and required a minimum drive requirement I believe. A few years ago Ten Tec sold an FM transceiver kit for 6M that put out 5 watts. They also sold a 2M kit that put out 5W and also sold a 30W external amp module. It was legal for them to do that on 2M but an external amp module for 6M was not legal.

I don't believe the amp ban ever prevented the sale of illegal amps. There was always a way around it.

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K7VO on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Swanman", instead of blaming the real culprits, CBer running illegal amps and encroaching on our bands and the FCC"s lack of resources to do sufficient enforcement, chooses to bash his fellow hams and divide the community.

No code techs don't encroach on 10m. They generally operate within the limits of their license and do so as good members of the ham community. Our county EC is a tech, as are the majority of ARES volunteers here. We couldn't have covered the shelters for Hurricane Isabel without them. Ham radio's contribution to emergency communications is the main justification for us to retain our bands, including those used for CW.

The idea that "real hams" have to know code is arrant nonsense. Code doesn't make someone a good person or a bad person. It's just the oldest of our many digital modes and the only one I can copy in my head.

The new FCC NPRM doesn't legalize the crappy CB amps either. Amplifiers for the Amateur Radio Service will still need FCC certification and will have to meet spectral purity requirements. The crap the author is referring to on eBay won't meet FCC requirements. What the changes in Part 97 will do is allow licensed amateurs to more easily use their privileges to the fullest and allow companies like Tokyo Hy-Power import their very high quality amplifiers into the U.S. without having to be specially modified for just the U.S. market.

On the overall the rule changes are good. Bashing newcomers and a large percentage of the ham community, OTOH, helps increase our dropout rate for newcomers, already hovering around 25%. Dividing the community, making new hams feel unwelcome, and the general sniping evidenced in this thread is what can and will destroy ham radio, not allowing amps to cover 10 and 12 meters.

73,
Caity
K7VO
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WR8D on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Most have the attitude that they never hear this crap so the rest of us must be nuts. It can't be happening. Its not just the mess on 10 meters either. Here locally 25 year veterans of cb get their ham license and get on the hambands and never change their operating habits. Listen to many of the nets on 40 meters. You can hear talk straight off the cb band. Our society is devolving. It has nothing to do with the fcc deregulating, or a code/nocode debate. Myself i have even blamed the arrl in the past for this accusing them of being for the so called dumb down many of us talk about. Its our society people. There is no respect for rules, or for that matter for each other anymore. God help us!
73
John WR8D
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WA1RNE on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

More the reason to allow all-mode use over the entire band instead of CW only from 28.0-28.3. The exception should be the Novice/Tech portions of the band.

CB'ers aren't totally incompetent like many hams seem to (or just want to) believe. They know 2 important facts:

1) The FCC doesn't have the resources to track all of them down, so the likelihood of getting caught is slim.

2) NOBODY from the ham community can legally operate on phone in that portion so they won't get chased off.

This old time "CW only" and old time "CW makes you a real ham" is slowly coming back to bite us in the you know what - unless we do something about it.

The ARRL is not the only authority capable of a better idea......
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K7VO on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"EDUCATEDSCUM" is living up to the "scum" part of his nom de plume. My ex didn't leave me. He was killed in an automobile accident.

My call is a vanity call, yes, but I've been licensed for 20+ years and have been active the entire time. That makes me somewhat experienced, yes? I did pass my Extra exam. Come to think of it, I passed my General when it was 13WPM and there were no multiple guess questions. What qualification to comment on the hobby am I lacking?

I notice you didn't dispute a single word I said. You just tried to do an ad-hominem attack without a single fact.

OK, Mr. Scum, what's your callsign? Your name? I have the courage to sign my posts properly. What do you have? The cowardice to post an anonymous attack. If you have a problem with me communicate with me. That's how problems get solved.

Caity
K7VO
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K3DWW on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
What am I supposed to think? I think it's about time FCC quit punishing Hams for other's misbehavior.

eBay is not "suddenly swamped" with 10M/CB amps - they have always been there, proving that the law has done zip except inconvenience the law biding.

Hood full of CBrs running power? Nothing new. Been like that since the 70's.

Trashing 10 & 12 Meters? Hadn't noticed cuz I seldom go there. But what are you doing about it? Have you talked to your ARRL Official Observer Coordinator?

I agree with "Swanman" - give 10 & 12 to the Tech's and let them deal with the pirates. I jut wanna sit on the porch, talk to the good old boys on 80 meters, and fight terror by shootin at movements in the brush.
 
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by KE7BJQ on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I am a No-code Technician. I am proud to be a No-code Technician. I came up from the CB bands. I always operated and continue to operate legally. I even actually had a CB license in the 80's and was proud to give my call. Even then there were people who would go to Radio Shack and buy CB equipment and throw out the FCC license application. I no longer use the 11 meter band since I am above that madness now. I take great offense at the disparaging comments made about people who do not have the code. A common term I hear being used against Techs is lids. This term is being used for no other purpose than to put down licensed amateurs that do not have element 1A. I consider this prejudice in the same context as calling a african american the N word. As the code/nocode battle rages on I too find the freebanding issue a sore point. But it is not just 10 meters that is affected. I hear it on 80 meters as well. A very popular radio in the freebanders arsenal is the muched loved Yaesu FT-101 in it's many incarnations. I seriously doubt that these freebanders unwilling to take a code test would go out of their way to take the Technician class license test. Yes, I know that there are some Nocode Technicians that are abusing the rules. But in any given population there will be some individuals that no matter what will break the rules. But to lay all this misery on just the Tech's is unfair. Their are other classes of license that have their trouble makers and they even learned the code. To put us Tech's on 10 meters just because you don't want to deal with the freebanding issue or the nocoders is a lousey proposition and a insult to legally licensed amateurs. I am different. You can heap all the hate you wish to on Nocode Tech's. I for one am going to take an active role in doing something to stop the freebanders. As a ham, I too have pride. The frequency allocations we have are generous in light of the sales of spectrum. Just as the soldiers slogged up the beach against insurmountable odds on D-Day I too am willing to fight. I am willing to fight for all the allocated frequencies even though I can't use all of them. I am willing to fight the freebanders. I am also willing to check the credentials of buyers of my used equipment. I hope you all will do the same. 73's and good fox hunting.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB2RJH on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes and real hams would use there call sign not hide behind some other name. Who cares about all this sure isn't me.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by AB5XZ on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How about starting a fund to clean up the airwaves. The fund would buy illegal "CB" amps on eBay, grind them into small pieces, and put them in a landfill.

No questions asked.

73TomAB5XZ
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB2RJH on August 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well it's 7 PM off to fire up my IC-756 Pro II and AL-80B on 27.385.00 LSB if you hear me give me a yell they call me the one and only MudDuck is that a big 10-4 good buddy. Lets see this should P O a lot of you well get over it see you on the flip side. :)
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KA8UWR on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I guess its just the "Cbers" who are using all these "Splatter" boxes,HAm rigs on 11 meters and what not,think again!! ever been to www.mods.dk?? I saw a 50,000 hit on one HF rig on how to put on 11 meters(MARS MOD) we all know these 50,000 hits caame from cbers!! RIGHT!!
 
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10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by HF2PWA on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hmmmmm Mr educated scum, and some new ANONS aremakeing this interesting.

The legislation is ultra bogus! iT reminds me of when in the mid 1970's the FCC banned a 10M tap on legal limit legit ham amps.

One idea stands out. It may please the no code techs.
Make 10-12M SSB/CW/FM/Digital legal for no code techs.

They can no longer complain they do not have HF PHONE.

They can still pass the 5WPM and take the general for most HF privs.

Those 10-12M radio's are everywhere. If they are forced to be type accepted graet.

Many of them thar 10-12M radio's output 50 watts.
Make 250W max for 10-12M for NCT's.

Perhaps KENICOMSU can make all mode rigs that cover
440,2M 10M 12M WITH 100W OUT MAX.
The rigs CPU can be hard wired for the band limits and modes.

The new rigs can sell for under $300. So the new ham can get on the air cheap. Thier will be a special CW mode. Use CW the rigs will output 150W.
Use SSB or FM ,output is limited to 50W

The radio's will be epoxy encapsulated. This would make the rig not modifiable for CB or any type of out of band.

Much of the ARRLs new membership are NCT's!

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by OBSERVER11 on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
found this on another list... perhaps we can help this poor Christian out... here goes...

Micheal must be a minister in the Church Of The Right Hook.


Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:09:12 -0500
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Subject: Requesting information

I am requesting information on two individuals that hang out on the eHam.net board they are:

DUALGATEMOSFET And EDUCATEDSCUM

I want to know what their real names are and where they live.




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10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB9YZL on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
After having read this whole thread from beginning to end, I am left with a profound feeling of embarrassment for the ARS!

The original topic was illegal amplifier use on 11 meters, and I have seen commenting posts on everything from “Code/No Code” and bashing NCTs to one that questioned an individual’s religious sincerity!

Some of you need to “put it aside” for a while, and relax! (Maybe take a laxative!)

From where I sit, I see three facts that keep me from getting all excited about this issue:

1) ”Big” CB radios have been in illegal use for at least the past 30 years, and Western Civilization has not collapsed.

2) The FCC is, in reality, just another Government Bureaucracy: As such, it is mainly concerned with maintaining itself, and expending the least effort possible to do so. They don’t give much thought to the ARS, and even less to the 11 Meter issue.

3) BPL is probably going to have a much bigger effect on the “CB Crowd” and their questionable equipment than it will on legitimate ARS operators…….You may find that the situation gets resolved with no effort on your part at all!

Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
"Appliance Operator"

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC8VWM on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

"After having read this whole thread from beginning to end, I am left with a profound feeling of embarrassment for the ARS!"

Kinda makes you wanna go out an buy a CB radio instead doesn't it?

lol

73

Charles - KC8VWM

 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB9YZL on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Isn’t it interesting how so many of the new “Anonymous Posters” sound just like some of the old jerks we used to see here?

I guess it’s true…………..The names (or should I say “Handles”?) change, but the people stay the same!

Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC8VWM on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

"When you see an old man in the grocery store with gray hair,slumped over,slurred speech,grumpy and disgusting to look at..."

Yep, that's me alright...

Sorry, what was your question?
(Alzheimers acting up again)

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by PHINEAS on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For those of you who dont like my "TROLL" statement, the last 3 letters of my call sign say it all.

As far as my side of the issue, I am sure if you do a search, you will find at least 50 or more times that I have expressed my views on CB amps and 10 meters. This S**T just gets old.

Trolls are the number one reason I subcribe to this site instead of QRZ.com where it seems these useless threads are generated at least twice a week.

Trolls are nothing more than a cheap way for a site to get hits, so they can sell advertising. CW,CB,BPL,AMPS, and you know the rest. These all start the same ole threads.

Once a month, maybe, but we just discuss this subject too much without any resolution. The worse of the trolls do not even have the privilages to talk on 10 or 12 meters. Worse, the ones that do, don't even hang out on 10 meters. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?!

I sure to wish there was a TROLL repellent for BBS software.

Phineas
K0KMA
President of the "eHam.net TROLLS MUST DIE" Club...The KMA division.

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by PHINEAS on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KB9YZL

KMA is also usefull for people who dont like my handle, which also happens to be my REAL first name!

Phineas
K0KMA <--- hmmm looks like a call sign to me....DOH!
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB9YZL on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Phineas;

Since you sign your posts with a Callsign, and you actually have something in your personal profile, what would possibly make you think that my remark about “Anonymous Posters” had anything to do with you?

As you said………….”DOH!”

Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by PHINEAS on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KB9YZL

That comment was not meant for you personally. But you will be surprised how many times my name came up as one of those ANONYMOUS people.

Phineas
K0KMA
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W6EZ on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Here is link to the Lancaster OH CB law.
It is at the bottom of the page L/H side.

http://www.lancasterelectrical.com/
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by AE1X on August 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
That law sounds like it is out of bounds. All of the items mentioned in that ordinace are specifically regulated by the Communications Act. That is unless it was amended to permit this type of regulation.

I would love to see chapter and verse of this change.

Ken
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W6TH on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?

A straight answer:

Let the pirates use the 10 and 12 meter bands to full use. I, myself see no harm done to me and at least others who are using the 10/12 meter bands.

Of a matter of course this is all on the SSB and not the CW, so, let you SSB'ers worry and this frees me from your so called problems.

Go for it pirates and enjoy it until the FCC wakes up and puts the squeeze on you as it is not my job to cause the prevention of your use. FCC pays for labor and I am not a member of the FCC labor force.

Again Pirates go for it at least you are making up for lost time the hams of these days are not using.

May God Bless All You Pirates Until The End.

73, Vito W6TH.

.:
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W6EZ on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
""by K3CLT on August 9, 2004

"The CB Radio Law in Lancaster Ohio is a really scary thing. Will the next step be to fine ham radio operators? If you fire up your radio on 20 meters and run about 500 watts, and come through a $20. baby monitor, do you want the police at your door? "

Your perception is accurate.


"This should be a real concern to all hams. "

Very much agreed.""


If you read the Lancaster law it doesn't say anything about busting anyone running a legal station CB or ham.

It only addresses ILLEGAL CB STATIONS.

I posted a link to the page where the law is printed out. If, after reading it, a sense of fear of the man is still present then the reader is just a scaredy cat.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by OBSERVER11 on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
unless I misread the law, it is illegal to use an amp between 24 and 35 MHz... I did not read that it was illegal to use an amp ON CB between 24 and 35MHz.

I also noticed that they kept calling the Citizens Radio Service "CB" instead of the legal name.

I guess this is what happens when a little group of little men take on a task too large.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC8VWM on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>> If you read the Lancaster law it doesn't say anything about busting anyone running a legal station CB or ham.

It only addresses ILLEGAL CB STATIONS. <<


I am located approx. 25 miles from this location.
Now tell me, what defines the term "legal" in your mind when Mrs. Kravitz starts calling the local police to make a complaint.

It's not about busting illegal CB'ers with big amps that bothers me. It's about the fact that they have been given authority to investigate any "suspect sources of interference" even the legal one's too.

After all, if Mrs. Kravitz see's your house has an antenna attached to it, it must be the source of interference huh?

Besides, is a cop going to be able to tell the difference between a CB radio station and a Licensed Amateur radio station? ....Are they gonna even give a hoot? What if the Police see's my "legal" amplifiers attached to my station equipment. Will the police determine that my amateur radio amplifiers are somehow illegal "CB" amps?

After all my station amps DO appear identical to an illegal CB amp in the mind of a cop right?

Law enforcement's main objective is to respond and resolve complaints of interference from Mrs. Kravitz who lives down the street.

The law might not say anything about busting any legal stations, but this does not mean to say that there won't be any problems for legal Amateur stations either.

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC8VWM on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>> If you read the Lancaster law it doesn't say anything about busting anyone running a legal station CB or ham.

It only addresses ILLEGAL CB STATIONS. <<


I am located approx. 25 miles from this location.
Now tell me, what defines the term "legal" in your mind when Mrs. Kravitz starts calling the local police to make a complaint.

It's not about busting illegal CB'ers with big amps that bothers me. It's about the fact that they have been given authority to investigate any "suspect sources of interference" even the legal one's too.

After all, if Mrs. Kravitz see's your house has an antenna attached to it, it must be the source of interference huh?

Besides, is a cop going to be able to tell the difference between a CB radio station and a Licensed Amateur radio station? ....Are they gonna even give a hoot? What if the Police see's my "legal" amplifiers attached to my station equipment. Will the police determine that my amateur radio amplifiers are somehow illegal "CB" amps?

After all my station amps DO appear identical to an illegal CB amp in the mind of a cop right?

Law enforcement's main objective is to respond and resolve complaints of interference from Mrs. Kravitz who lives down the street.

The law might not say anything about busting any legal stations, but this does not mean to say that there won't be any problems for legal Amateur stations either.

73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KA3RFE on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For those of you who are not aware of this, the FCC DID GIVE AUTHORIZATION to local jurisdicitons with enabling legislation to respond to CB complaints. I don't, however, recall the respective Report and Order this was set forth in. Perhaps someone else here might know of it.

73, Pete KA3RFE
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by N7UQA on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Guys read this...


http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by W6EZ on August 11, 2004


" ...
If you read the Lancaster law it doesn't say anything about busting anyone running a legal station CB or ham.

??
Legality - in other words guilt or innocence - can only be determined in a court of law! Aren't we all innocent until proven guilty?
HOW are they going to know, or have reason to believe, that they are dealing with illegal CB transmissions, instead of a ham station? Do you really think the average little town is going to provide training for their local cops?

Why should any citizen be put on the defensive, having to prove they DIDN'T make such a transmission?
Or even having to prove that they are not a CB'er, by showing a ham license?


Just HOW are they going to go about busting the alleged illegal transmisions? I saw things there such as they needed a complaint to get a warrant. Perhaps seeing antennas too.
I think they need WAY more than that, before harassing anyone.

Did you notice the part about finding CB equipment? That looks like it could mean that if CB equipment is found, then it is implied that it is used.
Well ..... how many hams have an old CB radio laying around? Want to try to convince some Barney Fife that you haven't used it in 20 years?


"It only addresses ILLEGAL CB STATIONS. "

Of course, that is what it is meant to address. And that IS a noble idea. I'm all for getting rid of them. But before passing legislation that is able to be used to harass people, it needs to be thought through. We have many laws on the books that were rushed there by well meaning people, that come back to haunt us.

I read a bit about it on how it was passed on the ARRL site. Notice the dumb logic behind it? Somebody filed a complaint when the FCC responded to them by telling them that they didn't have time to enforce the law. So, they decided to allow locals to enforce laws. Well.... isn't that ridiculous? The FCC IS the governing body, that makes the rules and laws! The solutions is obvious - MAKE the FCC enforce the rules and laws. Give them the money to get the job done. Else, throw up your hands, give up, and let another CB anarchy come to pass.


"I posted a link to the page where the law is printed out. If, after reading it, a sense of fear of the man is still present then the reader is just a scaredy cat. "

You are certainly allowed your opinion. I disagree.
I don't think anyone is a "scaredy cat" for thinking logically, with concern for rights and personal freedoms. Passing ANY law that affects such, needs to be carefully thought out BEFORE it is passed. People that support such laws, without careful considerations of all the angles involved, are dangerous to us all.






 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


It appears that several posts that were here yesterday, are not here today.

What happened?

 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W6EZ on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well if one reads the city ordinance, a cop can't "just" decide to check you out.
And when they are checking how much power a signal has the measurement has to be done by someone who holds a GROL license.
I think there is no reason to get scared.

Now that being said, there HAVE been instances here where I live that someone has called the police because a ham the suspected source of the strange noises coming from the telephone and the police went out to check on the complaint. Nothing happened. That doesn't happen now as we have hams on the police force.

If one is still scared, I would suggest that everyone print out a copy of the Fedral law (PL 106-521) that allows CB radio rules to be enforced by local governments.

link: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html

That way we can show the big bad cop that he can't mess with a LICENSED station even if we are wiping out TV for 100 miles! Of course we will have to deal with the FCC.

We managed to get a few good cops licensed as hams here where I live so OUR police department knows the difference between CB and ham. Maybe every town needs a ham on the force.

But then, those black helicopters are still in the air at night so there is always something to worry about.
 
100W CB amplifier for sale in E-Bay right now  
by TG9AKH on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Dear all,

For your info, there's a 100W CB amplifier for sale in E-Bay right now--advertised explicitly as a CB amplifier. Check item 5714756702 (4 days, 22 hours left, a the moment of writing). The seller is sciencesource777, with E-mail sciencesource777@hotmail.com.

Hopefully, this link will take you right there:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48696&item=5714756702&rd=1

or else, just search "CB linear amplifier" and the thing will come up.

Have fun!

Mario
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by PHINEAS on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Willy

The moderator took off those posts cause he is doing his job. Some of the messages were getting crazy anyhow.


My hats off to the moderator!!!!!

Phineas
K0KMA
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB9YZL on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well…………..I feel that I must play the “Devil’s Advocate” here for a moment..

Several of the posts here seem to hold Ebay responsible (at least in part) for the problem of illegal CB amplifiers.

While I , in no way, am condoning the use of illegal CB amplifiers inside the US, I have to point out that Ebay has a world-wide audience, and in many areas, the sale of such items are not illegal.

The question is: Can we realistically expect Ebay to police every transaction that occurs under their auspices for local regulations? Personally, I think that’s a bit much to expect.

Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by W6EZ on August 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think Ebay is THE problem for all the CBers on 10 meters.

True, ebay has world wide reach, but then ebay doesn't sell illegal firearms. In some areas of the world, all firearms are legal but ebay doesn't sell them.

But back to amps, ebay is not the ONLY place one can buy one.

copy and paste this link, then click on the drop down menu and look at the bottom of the list. Base and mobil amps!

While you are at it check out the 10 meter radios as well.

http://www.copper.com/cgi-bin/checkitout/checkitout.cgi?catalogSTORE:CKIE:home+

This is just one example. Anyone can order a legal ham amp and then convert it for use on cb. It is done all the time.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K7VO on August 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with those who congratulated the moderator for doing his job. It's very nice to see some civility here, even if it has to be enforced. Sadly, that's common on the internet and isn't something specific to eHam or the ham radio community.

I also agree that eBay isn't the problem but it sure would be better for all of us if they enforced their own rules.

Riley Hollingsworth and the FCC have done some enforcement and I am grateful for it. I wish they'd go after the big dealers that are aiming their products specifically at the illegal CB/freeband market, i.e.: Copper Electronics.

I am a little shocked that people are willing to give two excellent ham bands (10 and 12m) to the pirates. How would y'all feel if I said to give 75m to the pirates instead? 20m? We, as a community, need to work together to protect all our allocations and not splinter into little special interest groups. I've had some great ragchews with DX stations on 12m which wouldn't have been possible on more crowded bands like 20m. Oh, and yes, we had an opening on 12m this week, albeit oh so briefly.

The key isn't to deny hams amps for bands they are legally allowed to operate. The key is to enforce the rules we have against illegal operation and illegal amp sales. Sadly the FCC has limited resources and that means it can't do everything we'd like to see it do.

73,
Caity
K7VO
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by PHINEAS on August 11, 2004


"The moderator took off those posts cause he is doing his job. "

Oh, I see.
I didn't know that comments and opinions here were subject to arbitrary moderation and deletion.

As with anything that is privately owned, it certainly is their right to do so. I just wish that this policy was prominently displayed here. Not only before one takes time to compose a comment, but also if one is just reading along, so that one knows that either something might be missing, or that those posting are maybe a bit afraid to say what they really feel. It is important to consider this, when reading others comments.


"Some of the messages were getting crazy anyhow. "

Unfortunately though, in their zeal, some of my comments are now missing.

c'est la vie



Thank you for letting me know what happened.




 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC8VWM on August 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

>>> The key is to enforce the rules we have against illegal operation and illegal amp sales.<<<

Sorry to break it to you but it is not illegal to manufacture or sell these amps. It is the manner that the amps are used that is the illegal part. Otherwise the "Big Buddy CB shops" would have all been shut down for selling these a long time ago.

Ebay has established "policies" regarding the sales of these amps on the website. These are not federal or state laws. The FCC does not and has no authority to chase after website "policy" offenders from a legal standpoint.

Similarly, it is rather obvious that it is not illegal to sell or even manufacture those "galaxy" brand radios you see in every truckstop all over the United States either.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by K7VO on August 12, 2004

" ...
Sadly, that's common on the internet and isn't something specific to eHam or the ham radio community. "

Very true.

" ...
Riley Hollingsworth and the FCC have done some enforcement and I am grateful for it. I wish
they'd go after the big dealers that are aiming their products specifically at the illegal CB/freeband market, i.e.: Copper Electronics. "

What I would like to know is: Why don't they go after them?

It can't be because it is too costly to pursue - it's all laying right out there, easy to see. In other words, there shouldn't be a long expensive investigation involved.


"I am a little shocked that people are willing to give two excellent ham bands (10 and 12m) to the pirates."

Do you think they really meant it? or were they just trying to stir things up?


"How would y'all feel if I said to give 75m to the pirates instead? 20m? We, as a community, need to work together to protect all our allocations"

Yes, all allocations needed to be protected.

"...
The key isn't to deny hams amps for bands they are legally allowed to operate."

True.


"The key is to enforce the rules we have against illegal operation"

Right!!


"and illegal amp sales. Sadly the FCC has limited resources and that means it can't do everything we'd like to see it do. "

And therein lies the solution to a multitude of the problems! What I wonder is why doesn't the FCC have the money to get the job done - the job it is supposed to do? For a while at least, I would think that the penalty money would finance the work.

Somehow, to me, the situation just doesn't make sense.
'We made and make the rules and laws, and are empowered to enforce them, but we can't afford to enforce them - so please don't break any laws.'

Is it that our politicians are strangling the FCC, by witholding funds? or what? Why would they do that? they have lots of money for other things.
Something is just not right.






 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB9YZL on August 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WILLY wrote:

>>”Is it that our politicians are strangling the FCC, by witholding funds? or what? Why would they do that? they have lots of money for other things.
Something is just not right.”<<

Well Willy…………………..You hit the nail right on the head!...........”SOMETHING IS JUST NOT RIGHT!”

What you are all seeing is simply the “Tip of the Iceberg”! What we have to face up to is that we live in a country that is run by bureaucratic assholes (sorry for the vulgarism, but no other word would serve!) who can find endless billions of dollars to bomb the crap out of Iraq, but somehow can’t find 42 cents to fund our schools or enforce our own internal laws!

Until we have elected officials in office who actually give a damn about doing their basic job managing internal affairs, we will continue to be frustrated by un-enforced laws, and non-existent services! In short, exactly the kind of thing we are talking about on this thread!

Wake up! The problem isn’t “Billy Bob” with his 500 watt linear in his “18 Wheeler”! The problem is the people in government who are not doing the job we are paying them to do!........ Think about your last tax bill, and tell me if you don’t think that you deserve better!

And for those of you who are wondering:………..NO!!!!,…. I am not a 75 year old “John Bircher”! I’m in my 50’s, and I’ve lived just long enough to be sick and tired of “Public Servants” with a 3 ˝ year attention span!

Think about all this carefully when you go to the polls this fall!

Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”

 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by N2WEC on August 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Stick your "real ham code thing" up your wazoo. I am so sick and tired of you suppesedly real hams that it makes me sick. Most of ypu hang out on 2 meter repeaters and rag it......or youn are on 75 / 80 meters and complaining about your pile(because you don't move) or your aches and pains. Try and do all the things you think are so wonderful from HF on the VHF/UHF bands where there is a real challange and you have to work and really understand your equipment, antennas and propagation. I will gladly say stick 10 and 12 meters where the sun does not shine. Code is nothing more than another mode. By the way I don't hate the code, I am taking my code test and General exam soon.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by N2WEC on August 12, 2004

" Stick your "real ham code thing" up your wazoo. "

As this stands, you've said this to all of us reading here. I doubt you meant that.
Searching the text of this whole thread of articles, using the text just as you quoted it, and I didn't find it. To whom did you mean to direct it?


Suggestion: quote a little, or do something, when making statements like that, so the reader knows where you are coming from.


"I am so sick and tired of you suppesedly real hams that it makes me sick. Most of ypu hang out on 2 meter repeaters"

"Most" do? I didn't know that.

" and rag it......or youn are on 75 / 80 meters and complaining about your pile(because you don't move) or your aches and pains. "

I remember when I felt that 40M was the place for this.
We found it amusing back then. I wonder why folks today no longer seem to find the foibles of older folks to be amusing?


" Try and do all the things you think are so wonderful from HF on the VHF/UHF bands"

Now you are comparing apples to oranges.


"where there is a real challange and you have to work and really understand your equipment, antennas and propagation. I will gladly say stick 10 and 12 meters where the sun does not shine."

Foul!
Just because you seem to not wish to use those two bands, is no reason to wish them to be removed for use by the hams that DO enjoy and use them.


"Code is nothing more than another mode."

Really?
It is true that it is a mode.
But isn't it also a major part of the rich traditions of ham radio?
Isn't it also - well, used to be - one of the skills that bound the group know as ham radio operators together?
Wasn't it a skill that identified all ham radio operators?


"By the way I don't hate the code, I am taking my code test and General exam soon. "

Excellent!
Best of luck with it. Here's hoping you pass on your first try. It is only 5 wpm now, so the odds are more with you.


73






 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KB3ISS on August 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How impressive, you are complaining about a topic that really takes a lot of grey matter to discuss. Okay if you have a clue, maybe not. Yes, I am a lowly Tech . and have been for about 4 years now, as you "Old Timers" would call it. Do you brain surgeons even realize that the reason that the Ham Radio Hobby is dying out, is because you "Dinosaurs" fail to evolve with the times? Talking about people being "Real Hams" Vs those that are not "Real Hams" who carry a valid license, is a real great way to recruit new "Hams" and prevent "ALL" of us from losing our frequencies/privledges now isn't it? It would be like me having 20 years in the worlds finest Nuclear Navy, and telling a 17 year old in high school that he'll never be a "Real Sailor" or a "Real Chief Petty Officer" because he didn't go through all the same wickets I have for the past 20 years. I have one word to say to that, depending on how you would spell it, Bullshit!!!!!! Grow up and be a solution to the problem instead of complaining about the same old bit over, and over, and over.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by OBSERVER11 on August 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HORSE DROPPINGS!!!

Wake up and smell the recycled vegetation you are spreading:

First of all, any 17yr old kid that becomes a Sr Chief WILL go thru the exact same process as the 49yr old vet!

Second, who says amateur radio is dying??

Third, perhaps you need to be around a bit longer, and you will find that the major communications changes have happened as a direct result of amateur radio (in spite of the FCC).

Go back to the most recent DefCon, look who won the distance award for 802.11b links... FOUR HAMS! and one was an Extra. Lowfer records are being set by hams. Satellite break thrus are being made by hams.

The only reason ham radio is dying is that people like you are trying to kill it.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by KB3ISS on August 13, 2004

"How impressive, you are complaining about a topic that really takes a lot of grey matter to discuss. Okay if you have a clue, maybe not. Yes, I am a lowly Tech . "

It is not wise to label yourself as "lowly". If you do so, then you are permitting others to do so. Previously, has anyone referred to you as "lowly"? I know I certainly have not.


"and have been for about 4 years now, as you "Old Timers" would call it. "

Your choice. Perfectly fine. Just as obtaining any sort of license is completely your choice. If you are happy and satisfied, then all is good.


"Do you brain surgeons even realize that the reason that the Ham Radio Hobby is dying out, "

Hold it!
Whenever I see this premise perpetuated, it bugs me. You have implied that ham radio IS dying. Why? What makes you think that? If you are not sure that it is, you shouldn't say that.

You've referred to Old Timers. That takes 25 years. Let's use 25 years as a referance point.
Aren't there roughly twice as many hams today, as there were 25 years ago?


" is because you "Dinosaurs" fail to evolve with the times? Talking about people being "Real Hams" Vs those that are not "Real Hams""

Are you referring to the lack of a CW requirement when obtaining a Tech license? That certainly is not your fault, so you bear no responsibility. That is the FCC's fault.


"who carry a valid license, is a real great way to recruit new "Hams" and prevent "ALL" of us from losing our frequencies/privledges now isn't it? It would be like me having 20 years in the worlds finest Nuclear Navy, and telling a 17 year old in high school that he'll never be a "Real Sailor" or a "Real Chief Petty Officer" because he didn't go through all the same wickets I have for the past 20 years. I have one word to say to that, depending on how you would spell it,
Bullshit!!!!!! "

I think the immediate previous is a better example of, " is a real great way to recruit new "Hams" ... now isn't it? "



"Grow up and be a solution to the problem instead of complaining about the same old bit over, and over, and over "

This is excellent advice for you. Since there should be little doubt that you trust the one that wrote it, hopefully you will follow it.






 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KW2HV on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Before I moved to NJ I lived in NY City. I could never use 10 meters because of the bleed over from 11 meters. There was never a time when I was on 10 mtrs that I didnt get some interference as follows:

1) Taxi Drivers have gotten their hands on modified 10 meter radios and those "10 meter" amps. They drive around 24/7 and the numbers were incredible. It was almost impossible to find a cab that didnt have one of there stations installed. Many times they can be found on 10 meters because 11 meters was too crowded. In recent years the FCC has put an end to this but they are now returning again and soon 10 meters will become unusable again.

2) There are plenty CB-ers who have window side or terrace antenna setups and of course modified 10 meter radios and amps. Some of these amps run over legal limit for hams (I hear one guy runs as much as 3000 watts). Many of us hams live near a person like that.

To summarize many people are using "uniden rigs and palomar amps". They are cheaply built and they splatter all over the place and if you live in a big city like New York then 10 and 12 meters is a difficult band to work unless whoever your QSO is with is S-9.

This is the stuff that should be addressed - keeping CB-ers to 4 watts. I don't care if they use that band as long as the stay within the band (not 10 meters or 25 MHz) and those cheap "palomar" amps need to be regulated.

Soon will come the time that 10 and 12 meters will be over run by cabbies and 11 meter refugees again.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC2CPF on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There is no such thing as 'REAL HAMS' as you say. We are all in the same boat. We are all Hams. Period.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC2CPF on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I forgot to mention this is a response to Swanman's comments previous.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KW2HV on August 25, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Quote by KB3ISS: Do you brain surgeons even realize that the reason that the Ham Radio Hobby is dying out, is because you "Dinosaurs" fail to evolve with the times?

I don't think thats a fair comment to make. It seems to me that the 'hobbyist' part of ham radio operators is gone. Gone are the days of elmering and experimentation and radio building. Many hams today seem to moan and groan about the CW requirement. That is because they are just too lazy to learn - PERIOD! Excuses like "its an ancient mode of communications" is a cop out excuse. Why don't you just say "I wan't to be an extra class operator and I want it handed to me on a silver platter"? You obviously are not a hobbyist. Unless I'm mistaking you have been a ham 4 years and never went to the next level. These "dinosaur" ham radio operators are hobbyists and love it. I have been inactive over the past 5 years however I used to build antennas, experiment in the field, experimented with audio and a few other things for which I can say "I did that cause I love this hobby".

I wish you guys would stop complaining and get into "the hobby" because ham radio is far more that pluggin in a coax cable and pushing a PTT
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K8CNN on August 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hello All

I feel it is long overdue to create a LEAGEL place for the "Not quite CB'er" and "Not quite Ham" to have a place to explore the hobby!

I think it would be a good idea to let the CB'er have the so called
"Free Band" space 27.405 Mhz to 28.000 Mhz. and make it a shared band with the Ham Radio Community.

I look at it this way, Ten's of Thousands of CB'ers are useing this protion of the band now, And as much as we all talk about FCC inforcment, Fines, etc. Its just a fact of life that the C.B. "FreeBanders" are just not going to go away anytime soon! (Right?)

So why not take advantage of an eager to learn, potental pool of future Hams?

The people on the "FreeBand" are more intrested in radio than just the typical C.B.er, "got it at Radio Shack for $30.00 "Good Buddy" operator", You know this true, as most of them have invested at least a couple hundred bucks for an import radio, or ham gear.

So why not make it a LEAGEL C.B. and Ham Radio Band?
Give the C.B.ers a chance to talk to the Ham Radio Community, and start them thinking it might be a good idea to become a Ham, after all, a lot of us Ham's started out as CB'ers (Remembar?)

I admit, Once I became a Ham, my intrest in C.B. went away, but I moved onto Repeaters, ham TV, IRLP, Cross Banding Projects, and much more! However what I leared in my C.B. days was a good foundation to the hobby!

Plus I met up with a few Hams that were on C.B. way back in the day,
and I owe the fact that I went on to become a Ham to them.
Thanks, to now silent key "Gary WB8WAF" who took the time to show me about Ham Radio and all it had to offer, Whom I would have never met if not for C.B. Radio.

So I think a mutual meeting place, or "Band" would be a great recruiting tool for the Ham Radio ranks.

Thanks, K8CNN Tom 73
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by KW2HV on August 25, 2004

" ...
Many hams today seem to moan and groan about the CW requirement. That is because they are just too lazy to learn - PERIOD! Excuses like "its an ancient mode of communications" is a cop out excuse. "

True, on the cop out excuse.


"Why don't you just say "I wan't to be an extra class operator and I want it handed to me on a silver platter"?


Well put.


" ...

I wish you guys would stop complaining and get into "the hobby" because ham radio is far more that pluggin in a coax cable and pushing a PTT "

True.
And where do a lot of those that plugin and PTT come from?
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by K8CNN on August 28, 2004

"
I feel it is long overdue to create a LEAGEL place for the "Not quite CB'er" and "Not quite Ham" to have a place to explore the hobby! "

We HAD a place for anyone that wanted to get a foot in the door to easily get a license, get on the air, and learn.
It was called the Novice license. Theory required was minimal to pass the test, and only 5 wpm for the code.

There was no good reason for doing away with it.

"
I think it would be a good idea to let the CB'er have the so called "Free Band" space 27.405 Mhz to 28.000 Mhz. and make it a shared band with the Ham Radio Community.

I look at it this way, Ten's of Thousands of CB'ers are useing this protion of the band now, And as much as we all talk about FCC inforcment, Fines, etc. Its just a fact of life that the C.B. "FreeBanders" are just not going to go away anytime soon! (Right?)

So why not take advantage of an eager to learn, potental pool of future Hams? "


You never said why you think they are eager to learn.
So far, all you've said is that they are eager to break the law, as they not only do so, but continue to do so.
Why in the world would we ever want to consider this a potential pool of future hams? It makes no sense.


"
The people on the "FreeBand" are more intrested in radio than just the typical C.B.er, "got it at Radio Shack for $30.00 "Good Buddy" operator", You know this true, "

No, I don't.


" as most of them have invested at least a couple hundred bucks for an import radio, or ham gear. "

You feel that this equates to interest in radio?
You are kidding, aren't you?


"
So why not make it a LEAGEL C.B. and Ham Radio Band?
Give the C.B.ers a chance to talk to the Ham Radio Community,"


If they are so motivated, they can go earn a license, just like the rest of the hams. Then these new hams can talk to, and LEARN from the old hams.


On second thought, are you just joking with us here?
Your logic is so flawed and ridiculous that I'm beginning to think that is what this is about.

If you are not, then let us look at your proposal:

Illegal activity abounds.
Little, if nothing is being done about it.
Therefore, the thing to do about it, is to make it no longer illegal.

That is a brilliant solution! Can we use this methodolgy elsewhere? How about cocaine, for starters?




"and start them thinking it might be a good idea to become a Ham, after all, a lot of us Ham's started out as CB'ers (Remembar?) "

No.


"I admit, Once I became a Ham, my intrest in C.B. went away, but I moved onto Repeaters, ham TV, IRLP, Cross Banding Projects, and much more! However what I leared in my C.B. days was a good foundation to the hobby! ... "

What did you learn? To operate a Clown Band radio, you need to plug in the coax, supply power, and PTT.
Somebody already mentioned this in an earlier post here.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by N4IOE on September 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think the problem has been all along that we have a lot of so called clever and bright CB operators and that's fine But, those that are operating and could pass a very simple code test won't specifically because they would have to "straighten up and fly right" It has very little to do with being smart enough. With most CB'ers it's the rebellious attitude and flaunting the law it's as simple as all that.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by K8CNN on September 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Willy and N4IOE,

True, you guys bring up some good points as well, I must admit
after reading your reply, I am starting to take a slightly new view
point on the freeband issue,

I was just thinking how it was for me, moving up the ranks, from
C.B. to becoming a Ham, and N4IOE makes some good points,

I was one of the people who DID move to Ham Radio, and did enjoy
meeting some Hams from C.B. who got me interested in Ham Radio,
But as N4IOE states, A lot of them ARE smart, and can pass the test
if they wanted to, But choose not to.

I guess I was just thinking about how it was for me, and what a good
experience I had, But failed to take into account, that many
Freebanders never move on to more productive things, And thats a problem!.

So I stand corrected on my view point after some reconsideration
of the issue, I do believe that Im probably not typical of a lot of
the C.B.ers, So my original post may be true if more of them went
on to better things, but that probably is not a very realistic expectation.

I also do agree that some of the C.B.ers dont always make the
best Hams if they are not willing to grow in the hobby, and leave the
C.B. ways of doing things on C.B. band.
But many make the transition to Ham Radio with no problem.
(A few bad ones in every crowd)

Thanks, Tom K8CNN 73
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by WILLY on September 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by K8CNN on September 13, 2004

"...
and leave the C.B. ways of doing things on C.B. band. "

You have said a lot in this statement.



73



 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KE7BPQ on September 24, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OK, Guys and Gals, permit me to offer my two cents;

I've been a CB operator - totally barefoot, btw. Let me tell you something about CB - it is rare that you cannot find someone to talk to there. I can recall many a day when I found myself looking forward to getting home from work, having dinner, and firing up the ol' CB. Sure, there were folks operating illegal rigs - most of them were, for that matter. But the point is that I could look forward to chatting with a regular group of radio friends in a round-table format every night.

Here in Las Vegas, on the other hand, there are over 15 reachable (via HT w/duck) open repeaters on 2-meter alone - not to mention a whole lot of simplex frequencies, as well - that are quiet more than 95% of the time! When one DOES manage to strike up a QSO, it's usually short and brusque.

Perhaps I was lucky to live where I did - the local CB folks, for the most part, were a friendly bunch. Certainly there were morons that would occaisionally disrupt things, but we were ready for that, as well. Some of those CB guys can be hilariously sarcastic. I can remember more than one evening when I was laughing so hard that my sides were aching from the way that our local CB wits dealt with some "drunk redneck from Bakersfield with more CB channels than IQ points". (And they did NOT need any help from the FCC to do so!)

We hams have something in common with CBers - radio is our hobby. Are not hobbies supposed to be fun?

For the record, I just got my Tech ticket in August. I once held a Novice ticket back in the '70s as a condition of passing the electronics class in high school, but never used it because I could not afford to buy equipment, and my parents discouraged my participation in the hobby. Two weeks ago, I passed my General test. I plan to take and pass my Extra exam in two more weeks. (And just to ensure my credibility, I can copy 13 wpm - and then some!)

I do not own an HF rig, nor do I plan to get one right now except maybe a cheap (read Radio Shack via eBay) 10-meter for satellite work. My interests lie primarily in the UHF/SHF realm, specifically remote control and telemetry modes.

When I got my tech ticket, I mentioned that I had done so to a high school friend who is now a RF engineer at a very large television station in New Jersey.

His answer - "WHY?"

Somewhat taken aback by his response, I asked why he was so tepid about this.

"Because it's BORING! It's a bunch of old men sitting behind microphones talking about the weather, their sets, their constipation, and bitching about how useless the kids today are."

We bantered back and forth about this for a bit, and he finished the topic by saying that he hoped that i would "have fun, but I think that you're wasting your time - it's beneath you."

I happen to disagree with his assessment, but there may be some substance to his perception that we should consider.

I apologize for meandering off-topic there, but here's my bottom line - if a CB type wants to take his modified Ranger 2950 with a D-104 mike and a ground-wave vertical, and crank it up to 25 watts on a RC toy channel so that he can talk to his buddy in some town thirty miles away at night - I really don't have a problem with that. Likewise, If a CB type wants to take advantage of propagation condtions and talk to someone in Washington State from Pismo Beach, CA - go for it! The 150 mile limit imposed by the FCC on CB contacts is ludicrous.

As for the guys that have their "Linears", "Afterburners", or "BIG Switches", well, let me just say that in three years of enjoyable CBing, I heard exactly ONE "heavy hitter" come through to Coastal California from Missouri.

So just where are all of these "pirates"? I was also a SWLer. I tuned and listened, tuned and listened - couldn't find one! Not ONE!

Asfar as I am concerned, the ONLY ones I take exception to are the "AU-U-U-U-Dee-OH! AU-U-U-U-U-U-Dee-OH!" morons with the "echo boxes" and reverb that sit at their mike for hours with their transmit switch super-glued closed, babbling away in a stream-of-(barely)conciousness reverie, punctuated by brags of their umpteen-jillian-watt amplifier that I go mobile twenty miles from and cannot hear - (uh-huh!). (One could probably roast marshmallows on their feedline)

Those clowns aren't exactly making themselves hard to find, are they?

A needle through their co-ax should put paid to their contibution to modern radio culture quite nicely, thank you.

Let's get some more of the rest into our end of the hobby - I think it needs some fresh blood.

Retort? Repartee?

Lynn McGiboney, MSci M.E.
"The Missing Link"
KE7BPQ/AG
Las Vegas, Nevada.

P.S. I found myself eyeing some of the CB rigs on eBay this very night. Hmmm.



 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KRJ3 on January 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
hi my friend just gave me a cb and a booklet to study for ham radio. the people around here just use bone stock cbs for 11 meter band and some also have ham licenses. my friend is teaching me with the cb so i will be ready for my test.just thought i would let you know that not all people who use the cb are bad.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KX2KWX on March 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
first of all i think that everyone is acting childish!!! we have more than enough laws and cant enforce them. second of all everyone wants to bad mouth cb'ers when really they are no differnt than most of us!! what is the legal limit to run on hf??? hugh??? 1500 watts!! not 2000 or 3000 that your henrys and whatnot will produce. and go ahead and try to tell me that you dont use it to that potential when you cant quite make it to that far out station you are trying to reach!! let the cb'ers have there fun the same way we do. we are all in it for the same reason to talk to friends and enjoy the hobby.
 
RE: 10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by KC9GUZ on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The illegal stuff that goes on all day and night on CB is one of many reasons why I got my ticket to go ham.. And I dont regret it one minute!! Yes I am one of those evil NCTs but hey, you do have to start somewere, eh? Hi HI! I mostly got sick of the language, and the idiots that claim to be radiophone techs (READ HACKS that cant fix a toaster) and the bleedover and the wierdos, and drunks on CB, but the biggest single reason I have left CB is because here were I live theres almost no one around here anymore that you can have a decent, normal, fun, conversation over the air with anymore!! A lot of my good, local CB ops have mostly given up and left the air, but a few have gone ham and are to be found on the local 2 meter repeater but even then they hardly get on and talk!!! :-( Arrgh! I was a CB op for 15 years (yeah i know thats a long time to be a CBer) and finally took the plunge after a lot of study time. Now im advancing onward to get my General and the 5 WPM code and who knows, maybe after all that ill get my Extra!!! After all Ham radio is a heck of a lot more fun than CB. I think a lot of potential hams are out there on 11 meters but a lot of guys just dont like the idea of "having to play by the rules".. I still onw a couple of CB radios (LEGAL 40 ch rigs BTW!) and from time to time ill turn one on and see if i can find anyone decent to talk to but mostly its "no dice"..
73ssssssss
 
Look at it this way  
by KB3LSR on July 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ok, you are probably right about illegal amps and stuff. Want to know what sparked my interest in ham radio? A local fella on the CB that taught me how radios worked. What's sideband I asked? He explained it to me, in a language I could understand. So, he helped me there. I also noticed he never transmitted on Sunday mornings, so when I asked, he told me because he didn't want to cause RFI to the church PA systems nearby. I must be mistaken here, all 11 meter operators are foul-mouth, know-nothing, inconsiderate people?

I got my start to HAM radio with CB's. I had a 100 W amp in my mobile. I have since gotten rid of the system, but I had a ton of fun with it. Now you probably think that because I'm a tech I don't know anything. Well, I passed my general theory this weekend and am working on my code. Not too bad for an X CBer.

If it doesn't affect you, then why complain about it? Do you drive the exact speed limit (or less) 100% of the time? If not, then you are doing something illegal, just like those nasty 11M pirates!?!?

Enough rambling for now, all I say is let them have fun and if it doesn't bother you, then just leave it be.

73 de KB3LSR
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by 119 on September 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
MAN, what a joke.........

its up to the hams to police the CB operators?........yea,right....i posted in a previous thread about a ham operator walking into a cbers house sometime back on the pretense of "enforcing" no linears on 11 meter, and the guy was SHOT AND KILLED....being a ham operator doesnt give you the right to do SHIT exept talk on a specific frequency, and it certainly doenst give you the right to do anything exept report to FCC. it also lets the FCC know that if you dop something unsavory, that you should have known better because your a licensed ham.

the comments ive read on here that state that a ham operator should "require proof" of license before selling an amp to someone is also a joke. do you really think that by doing that your going to keep an unlicensed operator from getting a linear?......thats bull and you know it. here in my local area, there was a uy who was pumping out so much power from his place he was broadcasting across a licensed am radio stations broadcast tower. the police spent three (3) days at the guys house trying to get him to stop, which he didnt. he was on the front page of the local paper for two of those three days over the affair. the police chief PERSONALLY contacted the FCC..you know what they said?...... they were not going to come out....the police finally negotiated with the guy and he toned it down, but kept operating. point is that a letter or two or three wont stop an operator in most cases from operating. the FCC is completely underfunded and undermaned, and if they do accidentally happen to get a judgment on a cber in court, they still have to collect. in this day and age, its EASY for a cber to get out of any trouble with the FCC...."your honor, my client bought his equipment at a yard sale, and he had no idea that it was illegal!"..happens all the time. ive seen movies on TV were they were operating CB radios, and they were actually "10 meter" export rigs like superstars and galaxys.....furthermore, yes, there are alot of CBers that have migrated over to ham, and just as many that have found out talking to the stiff dorks on ham just isnt for them and migrated back. even most of the guys that came from CB wont turn in a cber just because they used to BE THAT CBER....also, i know of several guys that went to the trouble of getting a ticket just to be able to purchase amps legally ( like me) and have never even turned the knob on a legit ham rig (even though i have a NIB yaesu sitting herewith power supply and tuner ive never opened)


you guys are a joke...........its just a matter of time in this day and age before the ham scene just dwindles to nothing.......hope im not ripping you guys up too bad with my TX1600 and my SB220's..........
 
10-Meter Ham or CB Free-for-all?  
by 119 on September 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
someting else i forgot to mention to, in response to the statment

"If one is still scared, I would suggest that everyone print out a copy of the Fedral law (PL 106-521) that allows CB radio rules to be enforced by local governments.

link: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html "




we ( our local CB club) has contacted several police and sheriffs departments localy and all over our home state about this law. all of them had the same response

"we will not bother with enforcing CB for two specific reasons. the first being that tv and telephone ,etc. interference is NOT our responsibility to enforce. our job is to catch real bad guys, not be tied down responding to a call if some little old ladys tv has lines in it, and the other is funding. officers are not trained to enforce something as trivial as CB radio, and our departments will not and would not send our officers to school to learn whats legal and whats not. we could use the money to do something useful in the respective comunities, such as buy officers more protective equipment,such as bulletproof vests,etc, or possibly to educate the public,appear at schools more often,etc....drugs and every day crime are our number 1 priority, not chasing someone down for interfering with someones tv/telephone reception, thats the fcc's job"

ive had the police called on me on my base several (hundred i bet) times, and it always comes down to "we wont enforce that sort of complaint, its strictly a civil matter as you have to prove its the guy you say"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU GUYS NEED TO GET A CLUE!


in other words, you fools can complain all you like, ut it wont change anything at all. ive been in cb radio not for about 25 years, and have used amps most of that. i have yet to EVER see the FCC,get a letter,etc. or actually met anyone that has for operation of cb with illegal power.

as i said, it wont be long before the "ham" scene goes south,exept for maybe a few die hard egheads with there nose so far in the air that if it rained they would drown.

anyway, catchya all later...ive got a new driver box ive got to install in my mobile, and a keydown contest to plan.........

may lightning hit your tower!
 
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